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Pitching matchups vs. Athletics

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Sep 21, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Tonight
LHP CC Sabathia (13-6, 3.63)
vs.
RHP Jarrod Parker (11-8, 3.51)
7:05 p.m., MY9 and MLB Network

Saturday
RHP Ivan Nova (12-7, 4.85)
vs.
LHP Travis Blackley (5-3, 3.36)
1:05 p.m., YES Network

Sunday
RHP Hiroki Kuroda (14-10, 3.26)
vs.
RHP A.J. Griffin (6-1, 2.45)
1:05 p.m., YES Network and TBS

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125 Responses to “Pitching matchups vs. Athletics”

  1. charlestonchew September 21st, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    I don’t care who these A’s pitchers are, mainly because they’re all young and inexperienced, and I believe that the Yankees are going to sweep them and score 29 runs in the three games. W14-3, W7-5, W8-1.

    Cano will hit four homeruns.

  2. LGY September 21st, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    re-post

    The one reason I still have some faith in Ibanez is that he’s been so incredibly streaky in his entire career. It’s the same reason I cautioned people at the end of May not to get too excited about him and to wait before calling his signing a success.

    Without any clear cut upgrades on the roster it might be worth sticking with him for a couple more weeks and see if he can catch fire before the postseason.

  3. Warning Track Power September 21st, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    RealDanTordjman’s twitter account is down?
    Who else has noticed this? I only did this morning, so I apologize is this is not news to
    most of you here.

  4. LGY September 21st, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    The Genius Maker September 21st, 2012 at 12:19 pm
    Montero OPS = .691
    Martin OPS = .692

    ———-

    Doubt Martin could even break a .600 OPS in SafeCo

  5. Don Vito A. Bellamo September 21st, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    charlestonchew, I AM WITH YOU ! :-)

  6. J. Alfred Prufrock September 21st, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    LGY September 21st, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    The Genius Maker September 21st, 2012 at 12:19 pm
    Montero OPS = .691
    Martin OPS = .692

    ———-

    Doubt Martin could even break a .600 OPS in SafeCo
    ///

    Just another example of the nearly pathological need from some here to discredit a rookie that Cashman traded away.

    Repost:

    Dave Cameron has never seemed too enlightened about hitting mechanics. He writes some interesting articles, but he is a numbers cruncher who writes fairly facile prose. My point is, I do not consider Cameron someone who could go to a few games and watch a prospect and, if the prospect had a few bad days, be able to see beyond results.

    In any case, I find the constant bashing of Montero here just weird. It’s like some of you feel the need to justify, over and over again, this trade. If you’re so confident it was the right move, then why are you scrounging for the furthest crumb in the hope of discrediting a player who is in his first year? It’s frankly embarrassing. You’re the ones who can’t “move on.”

    Who knew ;)

  7. DONNYBROOK September 21st, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    One trick pony again and again.

  8. LGY September 21st, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    Just saw MLB agreed to new deals with FOX and TBS. According to Maury Brown each team will get an additional $26.28M per year.

    Good time for the Yankees to be cutting payroll. :roll:

  9. Duh Innings II September 21st, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    Ken Davidoff thinks the Yanks should re-sign Swisher over Ichiro – I disagree.

    ‘Say the Yanks re-signed Ichiro for RF and Martin, and signed David Ortiz for DH, Ichiro 2013 only, Ortiz 2013-14.

    How is the below starting nine a worse lineup without Swisher?

    Suzuki
    Jeter
    Cano
    Rodriguez
    Teixiera
    Ortiz
    Granderson
    Martin
    Gardner

    I don’t see an easy out. I do see the following:

    - Seven guys who could smack at least 15 HR each
    - Five of them 25 or more HR
    - 10 or more HR from every hitter if Gardner has an approach lending itself for him to hit 10 HR
    - A much better outfield defense
    - A faster lineup
    - Five guys who could steal a base in the 7 through 2
    - Three guys who could bat leadoff and lay down a bunt in the 9 through 2

    Who’s to say Ichiro and Gardner couldn’t switch places if Gardner is having a better year than Ichiro OBP-wise or BA and OBP-wise? Also, who’s to say the Yanks couldn’t bring back Dewayne Wise who smacked 3 homeruns and swiped 7 bases in less than 70 AB? He even stuck it to the Yanks as a White Sock this season. He left the Yanks on amicable terms.

    Bottom line is Ichiro RF and Ortiz DH > Swisher RF and who at DH? A-Rod’s at 3B next year, as much as I don’t like it.

    Replace Ortiz with Chase Headley (Headley 3B, A-Rod DH) and who cares about Swisher?

  10. austinmac September 21st, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    I don’t think you can have Ichiro and Gardner in the corners. One or the other.

  11. LGY September 21st, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    So in 2014.the Yankees plan to cut $30M in payroll expenses, will be receiving a revenue sharing rebate, and will get an additional $27M in TV money.

    No wonder Levine said business is good!

  12. austinmac September 21st, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    The Yankees will not sign a DH only like Ortiz. AROD must do it too often. It’s the same rationale as caused the Montero trade.

  13. Bo knows September 21st, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    I don’t think you can have Ichiro and Gardner in the corners. One or the other.

    ———–
    Yep.

    Now, a Granderson trade for some youngish bopper – I’d be on board. Granderson is aging badly. It’s hard to believe, as he still has the quick hands.

  14. Tar September 21st, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    they’ve even shown some unusual aggressiveness on the bases lately.”

    From the last thread. I really believe this has been inspired by Alex and to a lesser degree Nunez. Alex stealing 2nd and 3rd the other night was a lead by example kind of moment. He is invaluable to this years team Championship hopes.

  15. jacksquat September 21st, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    austinmac September 21st, 2012 at 1:18 pm
    The Yankees will not sign a DH only like Ortiz. AROD must do it too often. It’s the same rationale as caused the Montero trade.

    They should. Alex doesn’t need to DH as much as he has, it’s just with the injuries there have been opportunities so Girardi takes them. The rotating DH is not necessary, it’s just some hairbrained scheme of Girardi/Cashman. Just give them full days off once in a while in long stretches of consecutive games. Full days off are real rest, DH’ing not so much.

  16. 86w183 September 21st, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    I wonder if some clubs will cite the new TV deals and try to raise the luxury tax $$$ ???

    Yanks do not need to get older… bye Ichiro, Chavez, Ibanez and Jones…. no Papi

  17. Jerkface September 21st, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    I wonder if some clubs will cite the new TV deals and try to raise the luxury tax $$$ ???

    Why would they do that when hardly any of them are even close to it?

  18. 86w183 September 21st, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    Yanks, Dodgers, Phillies, Red Sawx are all close enough to have an interest. Angels and Tigers might, too.

    MLBPA could also initiate a conversation on the issue since the ownership revenue stream has been sooo significantly enhanced since the CBA was signed.

  19. Benny Blanco September 21st, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    why do people get so sensitive over montero? He’s a rookie! I’m sure he will have his time to shine. The reason people get cynical about Montero is because his supporters acted as if he was going to bat 320 and hit 25 homeruns this year.

    Does the kid have potential? Absolutley, but until he reaches his full potential we all will have to “pipe’ down. I understand that hitting in a certain ball park might reduce a players homerun total but if you are a “great” hitter, it doesn’t matter what ball park you are in. You will learn how to make adjustments ( hitting the ball to all parts of the field). And we can all manipiulate the numbers to our liking but the bottom line is that their are two facts:

    1) He’s hitting 260BA with OBP of 290 Ish with 15 homeruns.

    2) The yankees did not think he could catch and neither do the mariners.

  20. Bret The Hitman September 21st, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    austinmac September 21st, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    I don’t think you can have Ichiro and Gardner in the corners. One or the other.

    *********

    Then sign Ichiro for RF and sign BJ Upton in place of Gardner. You’ll get 25 HR from him, speed and a RH bat.

  21. Jerkface September 21st, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    MLBPA could also initiate a conversation on the issue since the ownership revenue stream has been sooo significantly enhanced since the CBA was signed.

    Well I’d like to see it, but I don’t see it happening. It would have to come from the MLBPA, because the ownerships won’t give a crap.

  22. jacksquat September 21st, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    The owners are not going to lobby for a higher luxury tax threshold.

  23. Bret The Hitman September 21st, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    As a fan who was not opposed to trading Montero for a pitcher, I find it amusing that the fans who described Montero as a generational hitter are barking now. They were claiming this trade ruined the Yankees offense now and well into the future. Well Russell Martin’s OPS at catcher is higher than Montero’s at DH and now Mariner’s media (and likely some fans) want to trade Montero (aka the next Miguel Cabrera). On top of that, the Mariners drafted a college catcher with a top 5 pick.

    What more evidence do you need to see to realize the Yankees scouts did not make a massive blunder and deal away Albert Pujols reincarnate?

  24. The Return of Stoneburner September 21st, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    jacksquat September 21st, 2012 at 11:48 am
    Maybe their solution is to turn Safeco dimensions into Yankee Stadium dimensions.

    *****

    The kind of already are – and if the opposite field power cannot go any extra 10 feet – well – it is pretty close from rightfield down to right center between Safeco and YS – been saying this since the start. People will blame stadiums – but in the end – maybe the other teams know how to pitch him and he needs to adjust. It is the same thing with Joba – people will look for all kinds of explanations except for looking at the player’s own responsibility in living up to the initial lofty expectations placed on these kids by fans at such a young age – such as in frick’in Charleston low A ball – - – -

  25. mick September 21st, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    Bret,
    When you speak of the children of posters you had better tread carefully…

  26. Pops September 21st, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Thank you Benny. I don’t think anybody here is trying to discredit Montero, just pointing out some facts to the crew that couldn’t get over the Yankees trading him away. Of course, the kid may still go on to have a great career (personally, I hope he does), but there is also mounting evidence that the Yankees may have been right in thinking otherwise. Okay, moving on…

  27. mick September 21st, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    The Yanks are eerily leading baseball, in the month of Sept, in stolen bases.
    This is due to the reemergence of Ichiro and Nunez who have 10 each.

  28. Jerkface September 21st, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    The kind of already are – and if the opposite field power cannot go any extra 10 feet – well – it is pretty close from rightfield down to right center between Safeco and YS – been saying this since the start. People will blame stadiums

    The dimensions are still larger than NYS, and you have to consider the atmospherics of the stadium as well. It has a dome, you don’t know how the wind reacts when its closed or opened. Its how you end up with the ball flying out of NYS at a rate much greater than old YS.

  29. mick September 21st, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    just pointing out some facts to the crew that couldn’t get over the Yankees trading him away.
    ===================
    Don’t kid yourself. It doesn’t qualify as a “crew.”
    Maybe a clan but not a crew…more of a clique.

  30. Hassey September 21st, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    leading the league in SB??

    holy Dave Collins, Batman!!

  31. The Return of Stoneburner September 21st, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    And the reaction to Montero has always NOT been about the trade – BUT the premature prognostications that he is Mickey Mantle and the systemic hype that has gone on with some of the prospects before they actual do anything in the majors on a consistent basis – - – -It is one thing to be excited about potential – it is another thing if the excitement becomes arrogance of the absolute certitude something will happen – - – -

  32. jacksquat September 21st, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    Stoneburner, the dimensions may be somewhat similar, but Safeco does not play anything like Yankee Stadium, for whatever reasons. Several of their players have a big difference in their splits. You can’t blame it all on the park, but it might be good for them to make their park more friendly to hitters.

  33. MG September 21st, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock September 21st, 2012 at 12:43 pm
    In any case, I find the constant bashing of Montero here just weird. It’s like some of you feel the need to justify, over and over again, this trade. If you’re so confident it was the right move, then why are you scrounging for the furthest crumb in the hope of discrediting a player who is in his first year? It’s frankly embarrassing. You’re the ones who can’t “move on.”
    ——————————-
    Maybe if you hadn’t called him a ‘generational bat’ hundreds of times on this blog and insisted he would be the equivalent of Miguel Cabrera many of us wouldn’t care.

    Something to think about before calling Betances a ‘generational arm’ the next time he pitches 5 innings and doesn’t walk 6 guys…

  34. mick September 21st, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    leading the league in SB??
    ==================
    for the month of Sept.

  35. The Return of Stoneburner September 21st, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    The dimensions are still larger than NYS,

    ******

    Not significantly to RF – which is where Montero’s advantage would come – opposite field homeruns. Second, he should be hitting more doubles. Third, when you are special – you are special – ARod did pretty well in Safeco in 1999 and 2000 – and heck – if Beltre did okay 2bs wise – though his average did suffer – he still hit homers in the mid 20s. Also – it does not explain why Richie Sexon did his high 30s while playing for the Ms. It is cop out to some extent blaming it on the weather, atmosphere, and dimenions to say that is a primary reason – especially when the league may have figured him out and Montero has to adjust.

  36. mick September 21st, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    Maybe if you hadn’t called him a ‘generational bat’ hundreds of times on this blog and insisted he would be the equivalent of Miguel Cabrera many of us wouldn’t care.
    =========================================
    Don’t forget the proclamations of superior intelligence due to seeing these phenoms in person.
    That added to the “fact” that most who post here are cretins would complete the picture.

  37. The Return of Stoneburner September 21st, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    jacksquat September 21st, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    You can’t blame it all on the park, but it might be good for them to make their park more friendly to hitters.

    *****

    That is fair. I concur.

  38. tomingeorgia September 21st, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    Mr. Mick,
    Montero for Pineda was a swap of potential for potential. Looked good to me at the time, still does. We’ll see how it works out. I hope they both become super stars, whenever or if ever they do, for whatever team they’re on when it happens. Eight months since the trade; I’ll give it a little more time, like a couple of years,to see how it pans out.

  39. mick September 21st, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    mr tom,
    sounds reasonable, as usual, to me…

  40. blake September 21st, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    I am really bummed about about the news with FOX for two reasons 1) its going to give more money to the mid and small market teams to spend which will further close thr gap between them and the big bous with the new CBA 2) it means that we will have to endure horrific FOX broadcasts like forever

  41. Jerkface September 21st, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    Not significantly to RF – which is where Montero’s advantage would come – opposite field homeruns.

    10 feet is still significant, and the dimensions are still NOT the same and there ARE more factors to consider than just length of dimensions. That is why you can have a stadium like Rangers Park which does not have absurd dimensions and still have it be an offensive smorgasbord.

    Stadiums ARE important, and while a more veteran Montero might be able to handle safeco, it is a difficult environment to learn to hit in.

  42. blake September 21st, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    In addition to the ballpark stuff…..Montero is a 22 year old rookie and might get significantly better…..Martin eill either stay the same or get worse over the next 3-4 years

  43. blake September 21st, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    Hitters have a phrase they call “safeco’d” when they hit one good in BP and it doesnt leave the park in BP……it could certainly play with a young hitters head.

  44. charlestonchew September 21st, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    I really miss Brett Gardner. And I would love it if we had Gardner in Left, Granderson in Center, and Ichiro in Right! I would looooove it. I don’t care if it means we lose Swisher’s production. Just be smart about a DH signing and rotate that person in and out with ARod and Jeter from time to time. Give them 125 games at DH.

  45. tomingeorgia September 21st, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    blake,
    “Might” is the operative word. I hope he does, but that guarantees nothing. Hitting, fielding (wherever he plays) and consistency must improve, or he’ll become a forgotten wunderkind, except in the minds of a few.

  46. JobaTipsHisCap September 21st, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    will cc finally give Yanks a win?

  47. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 21st, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    “In addition to the ballpark stuff…..Montero is a 22 year old rookie and might get significantly better…..Martin eill either stay the same or get worse over the next 3-4 years”

    1. Martin can catch.

    2. I don’t think that 29 is a player’s age where you should make automatic assumptions about staying the same or getting worse. Ask Derek Jeter. And others.

  48. Jerkface September 21st, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    Please do not compare Russel Martin to Derek Jeter. Martin has hit .236 .334 .362 .696 from age 26-29, a hitters prime. Safe to say this is who he is. A low average, patient, hitter with some power.

  49. blake September 21st, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    “Might” is the operative word. I hope he does, but that guarantees nothing. Hitting, fielding (wherever he plays) and consistency must improve, or he’ll become a forgotten wunderkind, except in the minds of a few.”

    Sure…there are no guarantees…..I just dont really think that evaluating him based on this season is fair….lets see where he is this time next year.

  50. Benny Blanco September 21st, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    Blake, not to beat the “proverbial horse to death” Okay, I’m stealing that from John Sterling, but what is your evaluation of Montero’s first year thus far?

    Alot has been said about having young/impact bats in your lineup and how it’s not always pitching that wins games but hitting. The two examples I have are the angels and tigers lineup.

    The basball media pratically had detroit/ angels in the world series based upon their off-season acquistions. How are these teams doing now? Both teams are in danger of missing the playoffs and they both have great lineups.

  51. Doc Iac September 21st, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    classic hitting vs pitchin example is red sox,

    that said, pitchin alone dont do the trick ether, need both

  52. Tyler September 21st, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    I still think Montero’s going to be a very good hitter. I haven’t seen a lot of him receiving behind the plate to form much of my own opinion about whether he’d stay there. I said this in the last thread but if I’m an M’s fan my biggest concern is him in Safeco. The park doesn’t play to his strengths and 81 games there really does him an injustice. He’s going to have to retool his approach some to change that.

  53. blake September 21st, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    “2. I don’t think that 29 is a player’s age where you should make automatic assumptions about staying the same or getting worse. Ask Derek Jeter. And others.”

    At 29 most players are what they are…..Jeter was great already at 29 and didnt get better from there overall he just stayed the same mostly for a long time.

    Its not impossible but unlikely for Martin to suddenly because much better than he is now……whereas there is a very good chance Montero could improve at his age. 7 years is a long time in baseball years and experience levels….

  54. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 21st, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    “In addition to the ballpark stuff…..Montero is a 22 year old rookie and might get significantly better…..Martin eill either stay the same or get worse over the next 3-4 years”

    1. Martin can catch.

  55. tomingeorgia September 21st, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    blake,
    “Sure…there are no guarantees…..I just dont really think that evaluating him based on this season is fair….lets see where he is this time next year.”
    ——–
    Maybe with the Astros, where he’ll catch everyday in a hitter’s ballpark. I’ve said before, I want him to excel. Let’s see him do it, just saying.

  56. Tyler September 21st, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    Martin had 2 good years on the Dodgers when he was 24/25 years old. They were good seasons, not anything fantastic. Ever since then he’s been at best an average catcher with him being below average a good chunk of the time. The guy isn’t going to miraculously rebound. Now, he might have a good few weeks here and there and hit for some power, but his career trend is straight downward.

  57. Jerkface September 21st, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    Montero can also catch, just at a below average quality. Funnily enough, Martin is also below average.

  58. blake September 21st, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    “Blake, not to beat the “proverbial horse to death” Okay, I’m stealing that from John Sterling, but what is your evaluation of Montero’s first year thus far?”

    Disappointed and a little surprised he hasnt performed better offensively ..but I still think the ability is there and it wouldnt surprize me if he started to hit next year…..I still think he will hit at some point.

    …..hes about what I thought defensively…..good enouh to play there some for awhile…..but unlikely to be an every day catcher longterm ……he will probbaly be the Mariners 1B soon.

  59. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 21st, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    “Sure…there are no guarantees…..I just dont really think that evaluating him based on this season is fair….lets see where he is this time next year.”

    If he had a phenomenal year, would you be refraining from evaluating him?

  60. Tyler September 21st, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    Yeah I’m not too enamored with Martin behind the plate despite the Yanks continually praising his defense….

  61. blake September 21st, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    “1. Martin can catch.”

    So….I never wanted Montero to be the full time catcher…..I wanted him to catch some and mostly just hit

  62. Jerkface September 21st, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    Martin doesn’t limit the amount of runners taking bases against him, he throws them out at less than league average, and is 4th in the majors in passed balls.

  63. UnKnown September 21st, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    I watched back the game of Phil’s last start against the Twins back in April at YS. (The Curtis 3 HR game) Even though he struggled in that game similarly to last night, he still looked so much better last night with a lot more confidence.

    Phil has really came a long way from the beginning of this season to now and that’s good to see.

    Hopefully he can have another solid outing against the Twins on Tuesday of next week, he has been handling lefties well this year so that is good as he will be going up against the likes of Span, Mauer, and Morneau. Also the spacious dimensions of Target Field will be to the advantage of Hughes as well.

    Might have to sweep that series in Minny next week, depending on how hot the O’s continue to play.

  64. The Return of Stoneburner September 21st, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    Jerkface September 21st, 2012 at 2:10 pm
    Not significantly to RF – which is where Montero’s advantage would come – opposite field homeruns.

    10 feet is still significant, and the dimensions are still NOT the same and there ARE more factors to consider than just length of dimensions. That is why you can have a stadium like Rangers Park which does not have absurd dimensions and still have it be an offensive smorgasbord.

    Stadiums ARE important, and while a more veteran Montero might be able to handle safeco, it is a difficult environment to learn to hit in.

    ******

    The Rangers ballpark is pretty good for lefty hitters and righthanders who hit the opposite field – regardless of atmospheric conditions. RF is 325 – deepest for Right center is
    407 with a weird incut along the way going back to 377.

    Yankees stadium is 314 at the pole and right center is around 385 – so we have a difference of 11 feet – again not a significant difference – especially if we are talking about opposite field power.

    Now going to Safeco – RF down the pole is 326 – a difference of twelve feet. Right center is 385 – in line with YS – but the pole is off 12 feet.

    Now the area of elevation is different: 55 feet for YS versus -2 for Safeco – but again the diminis factor is still within range.

    Dimensions alone are not the reason. A further study of atmosphere with details may be needed – but on pure numbers – especially given ARod, Sexon, and Beltre’s past performances – it appears that there is more to this than the environment. It might be that Montero has not adjusted or developed to that point – but again – that is speculation – and that is not because of his atmosphere or dimensions – that has to do with his ability to grow as a player and make the adjustments necessary to become what many have hyped and predicted him to be – an All Star level player who hits for above average and above power (doubles and HR).

  65. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 21st, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    “Martin doesn’t limit the amount of runners taking bases against him, he throws them out at less than league average, and is 4th in the majors in passed balls.”

    I see to remember a really great throw to third last night to get the runner out. At least I think I remember that.

  66. blake September 21st, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    “If he had a phenomenal year, would you be refraining from evaluating him?”

    You couldnt make a final judgement no…..

  67. Tyler September 21st, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    I just want Pineda to contribute something positive in the next 5 years :(

  68. Duh Innings II September 21st, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    austinmac September 21st, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    The Yankees will not sign a DH only like Ortiz. AROD must do it too often. It’s the same rationale as caused the Montero trade.

    ———————————————————-

    You can’t say that with certainty especially since you don’t work in the Yankees front office like I don’t.

    The more you DH A-Rod, the more you have to play who at 3B? Chavez? Nix? McGehee? Nunez? Laird? The first three might not even be Yankees next year, Nunez is dreadful defensively, and Laird isn’t MLB ready yet. The Yanks are not getting Chase Headley, so don’t even go there. Only way they get that guy is if they give up at least three top prospects for him and that’s just not happening.

    What if A-Rod falls to injury again and is out for three months? You lose a 3B as well as a DH.
    With Ortiz signed, you ensure there’s at least one solid bat between 3B and DH. I’d rather have ??? 3B-Ortiz DH than ???-3B and a lesser DH than Ortiz with A-Rod out.

    The Yanks could have Gardner and Suzuki at the corners as long as they get a new everyday hitter who could hit say .285/.360/.450 like Ortiz which they need with Suzuki or Swisher in RF.

    ‘Say A-Rod makes 41 starts at DH which would be quite alot of rest from the field – once every four games plus one more DH start. That’s up to 41 pinch-hit at-bats for Ortiz assuming he doesn’t make a start at 1B, but say he makes just five starts at 1B. That’s up to 36 PHABs for Ortiz. That’s a fair amount of plate time to do damage. 12 for 30 with 6 BB, 3 HR, and at least 10 RBI? Why not?

    The Yanks should seriously consider David Ortiz as the DH because the guy is still a tremendous hitter who would hands down be the best all-around hitter in the 2012 Yankees starting nine (Cano would still be the best all-around player when factoring in power.)

    ‘Nice thing about Ortiz is he might accept a one-year deal although I think he’ll ask for three years and settle for two. I’m sure playing for the Yankees has crossed his mind many times.

  69. Jerkface September 21st, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    The Rangers ballpark is pretty good for lefty hitters and righthanders who hit the opposite field – regardless of atmospheric conditions. RF is 325 – deepest for Right center is
    407 with a weird incut along the way going back to 377.

    Rangers park is 325 right to the pole, but it immediately juts out 20 feet. The dimensions are not extreme enough to warrant Arlington being one of the top 3 offensive parks in the majors. There are thus other factors that come into it.

    Tropicana Field has better dimensions than Arlington, but the dome messes with the flight of the ball.

  70. blake September 21st, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    “A further study of atmosphere with details may be needed –but on pure numbers – especially given ARod, Sexon, and Beltre’s past performances”

    Arod cut his teeth in the KingDome….and Beltre was terrible in Seattle….ironically Beltre has been awesome everywhere but Safeco for the most part.

  71. The Return of Stoneburner September 21st, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    Jerkface September 21st, 2012 at 2:32 pm
    Martin doesn’t limit the amount of runners taking bases against him, he throws them out at less than league average, and is 4th in the majors in passed balls.

    *****

    League average is 25%. Martin throws them out at 24% – so yeah it is less than league average – but not by much.

    For reference – Montero has thrown out 17% – allowed 6 pb is significantly less time behind the plate (452 innings for Montero – 900+ innings for Martin)

    There is a difference – - – -

  72. Jerkface September 21st, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    Basically, if you compare the dimensions of SafeCo to parks around the majors, it doesn’t make sense for offense to be so depressed there. The answer is that there is more to a stadium than its dimensions.

  73. The Return of Stoneburner September 21st, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    blake September 21st, 2012 at 2:40 pm
    “A further study of atmosphere with details may be needed –but on pure numbers – especially given ARod, Sexon, and Beltre’s past performances”

    Arod cut his teeth in the KingDome….and Beltre was terrible in Seattle….ironically Beltre has been awesome everywhere but Safeco for the most part.

    ******

    AROD performed well in 99 and 2000 in Safeco – really nice numbers

    Beltre – look at the doubles – again – the doubles – that is what we need to focus on – the lack of doubles from Montero – why? Beltre had good doubles numbers – his homers dropped to the mid 20s – those are NOT terrible numbers. And Sexon still exists – still need to explain why he was able to hit in Safeco – - – -

  74. Duh Innings II September 21st, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    Ok now I realize other Yankee players need DH starts, ok, fine, and that means Ortiz has to play some 1B and have more PHABs, fine.

    Ortiz needs to start 100 games tops at this point in his career anyway, so he’s the perfect fit for the 2013 Yankees.

  75. Jerkface September 21st, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    I see to remember a really great throw to third last night to get the runner out. At least I think I remember that.

    Hang your hat on 1 throw then. Doesn’t make him a good defensive catcher. Baseball is about consistency. Anyone can throw out a runner (hell Montero threw out Ichiro by a foot remember?), anyone can hit a hr (jose iglesias hit 1!), anyone can get a hit, anyone can get 2 hits in a game, anyone can draw a walk, any pitcher can strike out a batter, or throw a scoreless inning.

    It is the consistent and repetitious performance of these acts that separates the good ball players from the bad ones.

  76. The Return of Stoneburner September 21st, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Jerkface September 21st, 2012 at 2:40 pm
    The Rangers ballpark is pretty good for lefty hitters and righthanders who hit the opposite field – regardless of atmospheric conditions. RF is 325 – deepest for Right center is
    407 with a weird incut along the way going back to 377.

    Rangers park is 325 right to the pole, but it immediately juts out 20 feet. The dimensions are not extreme enough to warrant Arlington being one of the top 3 offensive parks in the majors. There are thus other factors that come into it.

    Tropicana Field has better dimensions than Arlington, but the dome messes with the flight of the ball.

    *****

    For a pull hitter – Carlos Pena did just fine – it is not the ballparks fault that the Rays have done a poor job getting power talent.

    And the Rangers are not in the top 3 – they are no. 7 this year.

  77. The Return of Stoneburner September 21st, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    Jerkface September 21st, 2012 at 2:41 pm
    Basically, if you compare the dimensions of SafeCo to parks around the majors, it doesn’t make sense for offense to be so depressed there. The answer is that there is more to a stadium than its dimensions.

    ******

    You also need to factor that Seattle does not have good offensive players – it is not just the stadium. They have done an awful job evaluating offensive prospects and players – from Smoak and going forward – - – -it is not just one thing – and it is not as easy saying it is the ballpark. Again – if you are power hitter – like a Sexon, like an ARod – you are going to hit them out there – will Montero develop into that – maybe – but I do not know – no one knows for certain – - – -

  78. blake September 21st, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    “AROD performed well in 99 and 2000 in Safeco – really nice numbers”

    Yea…after he was already good…..and we are talking about Arod here who was maybe the most talented you g player ever drafted ….Arod would have hit anywhere…..

    Beltre has his worst years in Safeco and pretty much immediately improved after leaving there…..

    I think the point wasnt that its totallh the park’s fault…..only that the park could play with inexperienced players heads a bit…..Montero has been much better on the road

  79. mick September 21st, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    no one knows for certain – – – -
    =================
    some think they do…

  80. Jerkface September 21st, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    Beltre in SafeCo: .266 .317 .442 .759
    Beltre everywhere else: .286 .338 .493 .831

    Almost 100 OPS points

  81. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 21st, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    blake – actually I’m giving you a little bit of a hard time but you certainly are not the one who deserves it. I agree that you don’t evaluate a rookie year as the be all and end all – up or down – and it is only by the grace of God that Montero didn’t have a stellar year because we who accepted the trade were force-fed a nonstop diet of Montero and vitriol by one poster in particular who just couldn’t accept that Montero had been traded. We’ve been insulted, condescended to, and every other thing. For a while there, we were provided AB by AB information, especially when things were going good for Montero. I can only imagine how insufferable this place would have been had Montero hit 300.

    Most people were not happy to see him go but dealt with it as the cost of doing business and tried to move on.

    It wasn’t enough to wish both Montero and Pineda well. You had to pick Montero or all bets were off and you were obviously baseball stupid.

    I hope Montero finds his stroke and plays to his full potential, no matter where he ends up. If he has other issues going on, I hope he solves them. He obviously has a lot of talent.

  82. blake September 21st, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    I agree that Seattle has done a crappy job of gathering hitters…..however these werent bums they put together …..Ackley could flat out rake in college….so could Smoak…
    Montero was the #3 prospect in baseball on his bat alone. I think its a tough park to develop hitters in because they get discouraged playing there…

    The Mariners need to try and lure a veteran umpact hitter that wont be as affected by it and to take some of the pressure off these young hitters.

  83. CompassRosy September 21st, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    Bret The Hitman September 21st, 2012 at 1:51 pm
    ….”Mariner’s media (and likely some fans) want to trade Montero”….

    ~

    Bit of a broad brush there, don’t ya think?

    Even way up here in the far left corner….
    the media consists of more than one Mariner blogger ;)

    ===

    blake September 21st, 2012 at 2:40 pm
    ….“Arod cut his teeth in the KingDome….and Beltre was terrible in Seattle….ironically Beltre has been awesome everywhere but Safeco for the most part.”

    ~

    Granted Adrian’s first year in Seattle was a struggle (but then ANYTHING after his crazy 2004 in LA was going to be a let-down) and he was injured much of his last year here.

    In those middle years, however, he hit at least 25 home runs in each of the three years, batted .268, .276, .266 and had 89, 99, 77 RBI respectively (while his splits usually favored away, he hit almost double the homers at home in 2006). Obviously, he’s done better elsewhere since but, he was hardly horrible in Seattle.

    Tell ya what, I’d take those numbers from Jesus or Smoak ;)

  84. blake September 21st, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    “Most people were not happy to see him go but dealt with it as the cost of doing business and tried to move on.”

    If Pineda had been healthy and contributing then it would have made it easier to swallow…..I didnt like the concept of the trade or the reasons it was made for….but I was looking forward to having Pineda in the rotation ….hopefilly we will get him back

  85. austinmac September 21st, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Trisha,

    I agree with your reflections. More Montero discussions is almost making continuing to work attractive.

  86. Tyler September 21st, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    I’m just angry that Montero was useless against the O’s last series….

  87. Cashmoney September 21st, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    I think Montero will develop into a good hitter for average and power, his position is kind of in the air. The little i saw, I thought he had taylor made swing for YS. He is a M and it’s old news. that’s basically it.

  88. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 21st, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    “Trisha,

    I agree with your reflections. More Montero discussions is almost making continuing to work attractive.”

    :D

  89. blake September 21st, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    The Yankees have won every game that Ive been at the beach on vacation ….Im considering not leaving for the good of the team…..team player.

  90. Chip September 21st, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    Really? Montero talk….wtf…when will the conversation change?

  91. Jerkface September 21st, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    when will the conversation change?

    We can talk about how cool Yu Darvish is.

  92. Tyler September 21st, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    Anybody think Ichiro will be moved up in the order tonight?

  93. Chip September 21st, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    Jerkface September 21st, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    when will the conversation change?

    We can talk about how cool Yu Darvish is.
    —————

    I would almost prefer talking about how the Yankees never should have traded Nick Johnson and Juan Rivera for Javy Vazquez.

    Speaking of ex Yankees – nice PR move by Melky asking the Union to go to the league on his behalf and make him ineligible for the NL batting title.

  94. Tyler September 21st, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    Chip-

    It was definitely a nice PR move… he would have been crucified if he would have taken that 0 for 1 and won it. I wouldn’t have had a problem if he won it though.

  95. Chip September 21st, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Tyler September 21st, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    Chip-

    It was definitely a nice PR move… he would have been crucified if he would have taken that 0 for 1 and won it. I wouldn’t have had a problem if he won it though.
    ——————–

    Neither would I – but it will be considered a signal of maturity and contrition that might earn him some points with fans and GMs.

  96. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 21st, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    “The Yankees have won every game that Ive been at the beach on vacation ….Im considering not leaving for the good of the team…..team player.”

    Can you at least wait out the Oakland series?

  97. Jerkface September 21st, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    ice PR move by Melky asking the Union to go to the league on his behalf and make him ineligible for the NL batting title.

    A nice PR move but a bad one by the MLB. They have now shown they are willing to tamper with the rules to stop the bad man from winning the thing. Why didn’t they tamper with the rules to give Galaragga his perfecto?

  98. Tyler September 21st, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    JF-

    I think they’d tell you that was a human error by an umpire which si different than a positive drug test. I agree with you but I don’t think MLB would draw that parallel. If wonder if this is going to draw some talks about removing homeruns by a guy like McGwire.

  99. MTU September 21st, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    Blake-

    Since when do they have a beach in TN. ?

    :)

  100. blake September 21st, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    “Since when do they have a beach in TN. ?”

    I got some ocean front property here Ill sell ya ;)

  101. blake September 21st, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    . Why didn’t they tamper with the rules to give Galaragga his perfecto?”

    Because PEDs are like the only thing theyll act on…

  102. blake September 21st, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    I bet if a player put the name of a PED on their eye black theyd get suspended at least 10 games.

  103. Jerkface September 21st, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    I think they’d tell you that was a human error by an umpire which si different than a positive drug test.

    But rules are rules. Joyce said he would fix it if he could, which is just as much an admission of wanting a change as Melky petitioning to rule himself ineligible. It also has a win-win outcome for the sport. Not allowing galaragga’s perfecto is just petty and spiteful by MLB, granting it would have hurt no one.

  104. Andymelillo September 21st, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    Why is the Montero talk building up again.Is Seatle looking trade him.or yankee fans being gm

  105. CompassRosy September 21st, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    mick September 21st, 2012 at 1:55 pm
    “The Yanks are eerily leading baseball, in the month of Sept, in stolen bases.
    This is due to the reemergence of Ichiro and Nunez who have 10 each.”

    ~

    No doubt Ichiro’s gone crazy of late (good for him!) but, I’m not seeing the Yanks in the lead…
    http://tinyurl.com/8lesvbk

  106. Nick in SF September 21st, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    “Not allowing galaragga’s perfecto is just petty and spiteful by MLB, granting it would have hurt no one.”

    You would take away a hit from Jason Donald. He’s got a family to feed too!

  107. Against All Odds September 21st, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    So yesterday it was Cano PED rumors and now it’s Jeter playing for another team one day.

  108. UnKnown September 21st, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    http://bleacherreport.com/arti.....the-lineup

    Make it happen Joe. Move up Ichiro.

  109. jacksquat September 21st, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    BryanHoch Yankees lineup vs. A’s: Jeter DH Swisher 9 Cano 4 Rodriguez 5 Granderson 8 Martin 2 Chavez 3 Ichiro 7 Nunez 6 Sabathia 1

    Ichiro hitting 8th.

    I like it except I would have switched Chavez and Martin.

  110. UnKnown September 21st, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    I think Chavez is due for a big game. He has been money in games he plays after some rest.

  111. bruceb September 21st, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    Against All Odds September 21st, 2012 at 3:57 pm
    So yesterday it was Cano PED rumors and now it’s Jeter playing for another team one day

    Talk about a throwaway line taken out of context. He was just shooting the s**t with ESPN’s Rick Reilly.

    Me: Peyton Manning changed teams this season after 14 seasons with one team. Could you see yourself doing that?

    Jeter: Well, if I wanted to keep playing, yes. It’s a business. People forget that.

    Never going to happen. Perhaps he was just reminding the Yankees front office not to mess with him next time they’e discussing a new contract?

  112. Against All Odds September 21st, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Maybe he was.

    I found the interview funny like when Riley would ask a question and in parentheses it said Jeter:(starring)

  113. The Return of Stoneburner September 21st, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    Jerkface September 21st, 2012 at 3:13 pm
    ice PR move by Melky asking the Union to go to the league on his behalf and make him ineligible for the NL batting title.

    A nice PR move but a bad one by the MLB. They have now shown they are willing to tamper with the rules to stop the bad man from winning the thing. Why didn’t they tamper with the rules to give Galaragga his perfecto?

    *****

    The analogy is not the same. It would be if Galaragga got credit for a perfecto but he felt he did not deserve – so the player asks that a negative action occur – in your analogy – Galaragga is advocating for a postive (an accomplishment to be acknowledged) – Melky is asking for an accomplishment to be taken away.

  114. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 12:29 am

    :shock:

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