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Mesa has memorable Yankees debut (and not in a good way)

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Imagine if George Steinbrenner were around and in his blustery prime and the Yankees had lost Saturday’s extra-inning game to the A’s in the midst of this airtight pennant race. Melky Mesa would’ve been sent down to the Instructional League 30 seconds after the game. Maybe sooner.

The 25-year-old rookie’s major-league debut didn’t go so well. Joe Girardi inserted him as a pinch runner after a leadoff single by Eric Chavez in the 14th, the score tied. After a sacrifice by Derek Jeter and an intentional walk to Ichiro Suzuki, Alex Rodriguez ripped a single into center. The game should’ve been over. But Mesa stepped over third, missing the bag. He had to go back.

“I’ll give him credit,” Girardi said. “He didn’t compound the problem by continuing to go.”

Mesa was then forced at the plate by Robinson Cano. But Oakland first baseman Brandon Moss bailed out Mesa from possible infamy, making an error on Eduardo Nunez’s grounder, allowing the Yankees to win 10-9 and retain their one-game edge over the Orioles.

“The first time it’s happened to me,” Mesa said. “What can I do? A mistake.”

Girardi still came over to his locker and presented him with the lineup card as a souvenir from his first game.

“He won’t forget it,” Girardi said.

Mesa hit a combined .264 with 26 doubles, 23 homers and 67 RBI in 121 games at Double-A and Triple-A this season.

His Yankees teammates offered him encouragement after the mistake.

“You feel for him,” Raul Ibanez said. “That’s his debut.”

Hope you’ll check my linked LoHud.com/Journal News articles today about yesterday’s wild and entertaining game with that great Yankees comeback and about the state of Mark Teixeira’s calf.

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135 Responses to “Mesa has memorable Yankees debut (and not in a good way)”

  1. MTU September 23rd, 2012 at 9:07 am

    At least Mesa remembered to put his pants on.

    :)

  2. Cashmoney September 23rd, 2012 at 9:07 am

    Cashmoney September 23rd, 2012 at 9:06 am
    GregD… my father was a big Mickey fan, I think half of America was probably… My grandfather was actually Giants Fan… more of a Willie guy. I enjoyed the book a great deal… It is written in away that is transcendental over generations, allegiance, teams and etc… A story about a boy becoming a bigger boy

  3. Yankee Trader September 23rd, 2012 at 9:11 am

    YF and everyone-

    Austinmac asked who we thought might make the squad next year from the AA/AAA ranks.

    Adams 3B
    Joseph-Utility infielder
    Montgomery-BP
    Mustelier OF/3B

    Thoughts?

  4. Cashmoney September 23rd, 2012 at 9:11 am

    Another reason to utterly annihilate your enemy… so the youngsters get a chance to show what they got… though i suspect the whoosh sound of Melky striking out is more close to reality in this case… but I was looking forward to see some Murphy, Adams and others this Sept.

  5. MG September 23rd, 2012 at 9:12 am

    blake September 23rd, 2012 at 9:07 am
    “MTU, you and I both saw the Mick (and Willie and Duke) in their primes.”

    I would say I wish I had seen those guys play……but then Id be as old as you two
    ————————————-
    blake, hopefully you will get there, it is far better than the alternative…

  6. GregD September 23rd, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Cashmoney……….Mickey was a superhero when I was growing up…………I remember trying to mimic his batting stance when I played Little League…….and it was a sad day for me when he passed away……..like a family member had passed………

  7. yankeefeminista September 23rd, 2012 at 9:13 am

    YT, Adams could, although let’s see about his durability. Interestingly, they didn’t move him up to AAA for a reason. Joseph is not good enough defensively for Yanks to use him as a utility infielder. Montgomery, maybe. Mustelier, I haven’t seen play enough to say, but I would doubt it based on a sss.

  8. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Hey its forgotten since they won…..not so much if they hadnt….a question I was asking myself was who would have played 1B had they not scored since Mesa ran for Chavez? I think Swisher, Mcgehee, and Pearce were already out of the game right? Crazy day…..

  9. yankeefeminista September 23rd, 2012 at 9:15 am

    Cash, seeing Murphy in the show, even for a look? No way is he ready, but in spite of his numbers, he is making progress. I’d expect him to remain in AA next year.

  10. GregD September 23rd, 2012 at 9:15 am

    I know there is a lot of talk on here about negativity on the blog……I have learned to ignore it……people are free to say what they want and I am free to not listen…… :)

  11. Cashmoney September 23rd, 2012 at 9:17 am

    Greg, I wonder how many kids emulated his ‘gimp’ trot around the bases… My father held Mickey in reverence as well. the last of America’s innocence I think.

  12. yankeefeminista September 23rd, 2012 at 9:17 am

    Greg, agree. I mostly ignore but when every other post is not about baseball, it really is hard to pick through to find one baseball-relevant post. I just think people need to recommit to respecting each other. But hey, it’s the internet, and people will do what they do. Not much can be done about it unfortunately, especially without a moderator. This is the best and worst Yankee site on the internet because of the no moderation.

  13. GregD September 23rd, 2012 at 9:19 am

    Cashmoney September 23rd, 2012 at 9:17 am
    Greg, I wonder how many kids emulated his ‘gimp’ trot around the bases… My father held Mickey in reverence as well. the last of America’s innocence I think.

    __________________________
    lol, I admit seeing that gimp mimiced by my friends………..we use to play games with Mantle coming up in the bottom of the 9th and would take turns being the Mick…………I hit many a ball over that imaginary right field fence………:)

  14. Cashmoney September 23rd, 2012 at 9:20 am

    YT, yeah i don’t profess i keep up a lot with minor leaguer except a glimpse in the Spring or looking at stats occasionally. I trust your judgement as someone who actually attends those games. simply like to see some of these names in person. who doesn’t like the idea of youth and mystery?

  15. Yankee Trader September 23rd, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Would Mesa have scored easily on the hit to CF? Didn’t Cespedes already have the ball in hand when he rounded 3rd?

  16. justsaying September 23rd, 2012 at 9:21 am

    MG – thank you for your words on the greatest Yankee of the last 60 years or more (and that includes Jeter, as great as he is!) Comparing a prospect to the likes of the Mick is beyond belief. Like you and a few others, I saw him play in dozens of games and many hundreds more on TV. People who never saw him play simply have no idea. But then again, they do have the luxury of hearing us talk about him and then going out to the ballpark to see some mighty fine ballplayers today. Let’s hope we can too – for at least a few more years.

    Still no news on GB7? And have seen nothing from GF in quite a while neither

  17. GregD September 23rd, 2012 at 9:22 am

    yankeefeminista September 23rd, 2012 at 9:17 am

    ————————————

    yes, people say what they want because they can’t be held accountable…………..most of it makes me laugh…………..I enjoy reading your takes on the players that go thru Trenton…..I live two hours from there or I would go up to see games regularly………..minor league baseball is special

  18. OsOWNtheEAST September 23rd, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Another stupid player developed by the Yankees, there is a shocker. I think the Yankees are trying to break the record for developing the most low IQ baseball players ever. They already own the record for developing the most dumb players named Melky.

  19. MG September 23rd, 2012 at 9:23 am

    Cashmoney September 23rd, 2012 at 9:17 am
    Greg, I wonder how many kids emulated his ‘gimp’ trot around the bases… My father held Mickey in reverence as well. the last of America’s innocence I think.
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    a lot of us did, cashmoney, Billy Crystal has talked about it on many occasions.

    Speaking for myself, a stickball game (one on one) would sometimes become a trip through the Yankees lineup, each AB becoming the next one in the lineup by taking the stance (or the closest thing you could come up with) of whoever it was.

    It was certainly a different world back then.

  20. austinmac September 23rd, 2012 at 9:24 am

    YT,

    Zoilo can really hit left handed. He may be a platoon possibility. I do like the Adams and Montgomery thoughts.

  21. Yankee Trader September 23rd, 2012 at 9:26 am

    I saw Mantle in Baltimore, come in as a pinch hitter, just off the DL, and get a huge ovation from the entire crowd. It became a standing ovation after he hit a pinch hit home run as he was rounding the bases.

    Great memories.

  22. MG September 23rd, 2012 at 9:26 am

    Yankee Trader September 23rd, 2012 at 9:20 am
    Would Mesa have scored easily on the hit to CF? Didn’t Cespedes already have the ball in hand when he rounded 3rd?
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    he would have scored easily-either Kay or Singleton mentioned that Cespedes wasn’t going to make a throw until Mesa stopped and went back to 3rd.

  23. Cashmoney September 23rd, 2012 at 9:26 am

    MG, thanks for the story. My father admitted he did it on a few occasions :D Later all and have a good one.

  24. OsOWNtheEAST September 23rd, 2012 at 9:28 am

    MG,

    Whoever is so insecure that he has to write a whole long argument full if idiocy and personal attacks to try to prove they are a true fan is definitely a member of the bandwagon. Don’t worry man, I’ll keep a seat open for you on the O’s bandwagon.

  25. Wang IS Taiwan September 23rd, 2012 at 9:28 am

    YF,

    You catch a lot of minor league baseball. How are Melky Mesa’s skills? Brief assessment would be much appreciated.

  26. yankeefeminista September 23rd, 2012 at 9:29 am

    Thanks, Greg. I agree about the specialness of MiLB. Trenton should have a whale of a team next year. Only thing we lacked this year was the starting pitching, but next year it should be as phenomenal as the hitters. If Pruf stays away, I’ll miss his MiLB analysis on the blog, as well as his insights generally. The MiLB core is fast dwindling with tyanks having left last year, and GB7 MIA. :(

  27. Bret The Hitman September 23rd, 2012 at 9:29 am

    O’s have been in the sewer so long, their fans can’t shake the stench of garbage. Clean yourself up man if you want to talk to sophisticated fans.

  28. GregD September 23rd, 2012 at 9:30 am

    Yankee Trader September 23rd, 2012 at 9:26 am
    I saw Mantle in Baltimore, come in as a pinch hitter, just off the DL, and get a huge ovation from the entire crowd. It became a standing ovation after he hit a pinch hit home run as he was rounding the bases.

    Great memories.

    ————————————-
    I can still recall a number of Mickey’s home runs…….many were majestic shots……all in the house had to be quiet when Mickey came to bat……

  29. NYYanksFan September 23rd, 2012 at 9:31 am

    “a question I was asking myself was who would have played 1B had they not scored since Mesa ran for Chavez?”

    Ibanez said he was.

  30. OsOWNtheEAST September 23rd, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Bret The Hitman says:
    September 23, 2012 at 9:29 am
    O’s have been in the sewer so long, their fans can’t shake the stench of garbage. Clean yourself up man if you want to talk to sophisticated fans.
    ———————
    And Yankee fans wonder why people think the majority is a snobbish fan base….

  31. Bret The Hitman September 23rd, 2012 at 9:32 am

    The Yankees franchise scouted Showalter and brought his talent to the spotlight. Without Yankee insight and baseball acumen, where are the O’s? They need Yankees baseball smarts to succeed. Ever since Cal Ripken retired, it has been all downhill for that city.

  32. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 9:32 am

    “blake, hopefully you will get there, it is far better than the alternative…”

    very true my friend.

  33. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 9:33 am

    “Ibanez said he was.”

    nice……good thing they scored for everybody’s sake

  34. yankeefeminista September 23rd, 2012 at 9:33 am

    Hi Wang. Mesa’s plus defender, plus plus arm, great speed, has some major pop, but… still has trouble hitting breaking balls, K’s too much. Although he had improved in AA. Still too many games where I saw him flail on 3 straight CB’s.

  35. MG September 23rd, 2012 at 9:34 am

    I’m not a follower of minor league players but did see part of a Tampa Yankees game in Bradenton over the summer-Sanchez didn’t play but Mason Williams batted leadoff and beat out a bunt leading off the 1st inning before a torrential rain emptied out the stadium.

    Williams, from all accounts, has tools but looks really small in his uniform. He needs to finish growing and maturing before he’s ready for the majors.

    I don’t know his current age but I’d be surprised to see him on a major league roster for a few years.

  36. Bret The Hitman September 23rd, 2012 at 9:34 am

    Seriously dude, you come here trash talking and it wreaks. Act like maybe you’ve won before and you’re accustomed to it instead of running your mouth. When you hurl insults it shows that you’re obviously not used to success. It’s new to you. That’s ok. First rule is, don’t expect special treatment from fans when you slam them instead of talking trash. You’ll get the hang of it.

  37. GregD September 23rd, 2012 at 9:34 am

    yankeefeminista September 23rd, 2012 at 9:29 am

    ———————

    Trenton will be an awesome place to watch baseball next year……..we will find out if the prospects in Tampa are really suspects……..hopefully they will say healthy and a few if not all will blossom…….there just might be a starting ML outfielder in that bunch……..

  38. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 9:34 am

    Trader,

    Sterling seems to think Mesa would have made it ….but Cespedes has a canon…..the Yanks really missed the boat on this guy….as did 29 other teams.

  39. OsOWNtheEAST September 23rd, 2012 at 9:35 am

    And uphill this year.

    Yanks will be saddled by old age and awful contracts moving forward.

    O’s have tons of young, hungry players with more top prospects on the way.

    Yanks on the way down, O’s on the way up.

    O’s and Rays will battle for the division the next few years… Yanks will battle the Sux/Jays for 3-4-5.

    Enjoy!

  40. mick September 23rd, 2012 at 9:35 am

    How does kay know cespedes wasn’t making that throw?
    He called a ball 2 feet outside a “miss inside” the other night.
    Cespedes caught the ball in shallow CF and threw a strike to the plate.
    Mesa was lucky he missed the bag.
    The ball was hit like a rocket.

  41. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 9:36 am

    The O’s have one more top prospect on the way….Dylan Bundy.

  42. mick September 23rd, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Seriously dude, you come here trash talking and it wreaks. Act like maybe you’ve won before and you’re accustomed to it instead of running your mouth. When you hurl insults it shows that you’re obviously not used to success. It’s new to you. That’s ok. First rule is, don’t expect special treatment from fans when you slam them instead of talking trash. You’ll get the hang of it.
    ====================
    Bret, seriously, why do you bother?

  43. Bret The Hitman September 23rd, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Winning has given you an overinflated sense of worth. Do you think Buck wants his players prancing around talking smack to division rivals? Where is your discipline? Where is your focus? Act like you’ve been there.

  44. yankeefeminista September 23rd, 2012 at 9:38 am

    GregD, already saw Austin and Flores live a couple of times this year. Great fun. I was surprised at how much pop Flores showed. I am very excited to watch both of them play next year. I’d expect Heathcott will be up too, and Zoilo will be in AAA.

  45. MG September 23rd, 2012 at 9:39 am

    blake September 23rd, 2012 at 9:34 am
    …but Cespedes has a canon…..the Yanks really missed the boat on this guy….as did 29 other teams.
    —————————-
    he is an impressive player, it’s too bad the Yankees didn’t sign him…

  46. Bret The Hitman September 23rd, 2012 at 9:39 am

    Mick,

    I believe in rehabilitation.

  47. mick September 23rd, 2012 at 9:39 am

    What other player other than the Mick received a standing O, everytime he came to bat?
    And it lasted thru the AB…

  48. yankeefeminista September 23rd, 2012 at 9:40 am

    YT, I thought Mesa would have made it, as well. But missed the replay.

  49. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 9:40 am

    The ChiSox are in the process of rolling over for the Tigers in the central…..the Tigers have some big holes but they’d still be a dangerous club in a playoff series with Verlander, Miggy, and Prince…..Scherzer’s status is an issue though.

  50. Bret The Hitman September 23rd, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Something impressive about the O’s. They’re doing this without Markakis. Where is Markakis?

  51. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 9:40 am

    “Act like you’ve been there.”

    they haven’t.

  52. GregD September 23rd, 2012 at 9:41 am

    The Yanks being where they are having lost Mariano, Pettitte, Texiera, Gardner, Sabathia, ARod, Swisher, Paneida for all or parts of a year is really excellent………….other teams lose players too and they aren’t there because of it………

  53. Triple Short of a Cycle September 23rd, 2012 at 9:41 am

    Is someone on here really flexing their internet muscles about a team run by Peter Angelos??

  54. Bret The Hitman September 23rd, 2012 at 9:41 am

    No excuse to lose control. Buck wouldn’t have it. This fan needs more polish.

  55. Wang IS Taiwan September 23rd, 2012 at 9:41 am

    Gracias, YF!

    I watched the game on MLB tonight and the look on his face after the missed base was painful. Great contrast to the smile he shared with Nunez after the game. It sounds like we won’t be seeing him up in the Majors next season…at least until he conquers breaking balls.

    Sure would love some more youth/speed next year. I’m not sold on Gardner being able to stay healthy.

  56. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 9:41 am

    CC put Markakis out probably for the season when he hit him on the thumb….

  57. Yankee Trader September 23rd, 2012 at 9:42 am

    From the Washington Post when Mantle died. For reading over your morning coffee.

    Here’s a blurb:

    “With a telegenic, boyish grin, an aw-shucks Oklahoma drawl and a big No. 7 across his muscular back, he became everyone’s idea of what a great baseball player should look and sound like. His Homeric feats on the field and love of play off it endeared him to America. He became bigger than the sport itself.”

    “Mantle played for the Yankees from 1951 through 1968 and was a vital element in a Yankees tradition and mystique that transcended the boundaries of sports. To millions, the Yankees stood for winning, invincibility and being the best, and Mantle, as the successor to the likes of Joe DiMaggio, Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig, was a major force in preserving and enhancing that image.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....5pass6.htm

  58. GregD September 23rd, 2012 at 9:42 am

    yankeefeminista September 23rd, 2012 at 9:38 am

    ————————
    I have heard comparisons of Flores to Cano……..is there any truth to this in your eyes?

  59. Bret The Hitman September 23rd, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Payback for Guthrie.

  60. GregD September 23rd, 2012 at 9:44 am

    yankeefeminista September 23rd, 2012 at 9:38 am

    ——————-

    do you think Mason Williams will be there?

  61. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 9:46 am

    The Orioles are a great story but they have gotten a lot of big performances from players who frankly aren’t very good……Mark Reynolds going on that tear….McLouth hitting game winning homers….etc….Jason Hammel was a high 4 ERA pitcher in the NL and comes to the AL east and suddenly posts a low 3′s?…..

    just a lot of four leaf clover activity for the O’s this year……

  62. OsOWNtheEAST September 23rd, 2012 at 9:47 am

    blake says:
    September 23, 2012 at 9:36 am
    The O’s have one more top prospect on the way….Dylan Bundy.
    ———
    Machado is barely scRatching the surface… He is the next Arod and will play as such in a year or two… Yanks don’t have 1 prospect in the caliber of Bundy or Machado.

  63. OsOWNtheEAST September 23rd, 2012 at 9:48 am

    Yankee prospects are awful.

    All of their top picking prospects are hurt.

    All of their top position players are in the low levels of the minors, based on the Yankee recent history, it’s likely none of them work out.

  64. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 9:49 am

    Okay I see posts about people wishing the Yanks to be the top seed, not to be the top seed, etc. I haven’t paid close attention to the whys and wherefores because we really don’t know the opponents yet, I don’t believe, but I’d be interested in reading where you’d like the Yankees to end up, and why. Even though it’s a one-game playoff, is there anyone who’d rather the Yankees end up not winning the division? Okay, that probably doesn’t even bear answering. Let me ask it this way, if the wild card playoffs were a 5-game series, is there anyone who’d prefer the Yankees end up a wild card and not win the division (in terms of potential opponents)?

    I’ll check for answers later. Off to mass.

  65. yankeefeminista September 23rd, 2012 at 9:49 am

    GregD, I see Flores as more an Abreu-type. Just a really good OBP guy, doesn’t give away AB’s, great plate discipline and pitch recognition. He’s a lefty too, with very nice batting splits. I wouldn’t compare him to Cano, less pop and more plate discipline.

  66. OsOWNtheEAST September 23rd, 2012 at 9:49 am

    If they do actually have a good prospect they will trade him for a pitcher with a bum shoulder or an OFer who K’s 180+ times a year. LOLS.

  67. Triple Short of a Cycle September 23rd, 2012 at 9:50 am

    Machado is barely scRatching the surface… He is the next Arod and will play as such in a year or two… Yanks don’t have 1 prospect in the caliber of Bundy or Machado.

    ———————————

    Finishing dead last for eons will tend to lead to a couple of top prospects. Hope you enjoyed the last 10 plus years in order to get your 2 top prospects

  68. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 9:50 am

    “Machado is barely scRatching the surface… He is the next Arod and will play as such in a year or two… Yanks don’t have 1 prospect in the caliber of Bundy or Machado”

    he’s not the next Arod man….Arod was putting up 1 OPS seasons at age 20….but he’s a great prospect and I like him a lot……no the Yankees don’t have anybody on the level of Bundy or Machado…..but that’s what happens when you are bad for years and get to draft in the top 5 every season. Bundy was the #4 overall pick…..Machado the #3 overall pick…..if you pick in the top 5 every year you’re bound to hit on somebody eventually……but the truth is that after those 2 players the Yankees system is stronger….the O’s system is very top heavy right now…..Machado and Bundy and then a bunch or organizational guys.

  69. MG September 23rd, 2012 at 9:52 am

    mick September 23rd, 2012 at 9:35 am
    How does kay know cespedes wasn’t making that throw?
    He called a ball 2 feet outside a “miss inside” the other night.
    Cespedes caught the ball in shallow CF and threw a strike to the plate.
    Mesa was lucky he missed the bag.
    The ball was hit like a rocket.
    ——————————–
    mick, I’m not arguing because there is no answer but here is a link to the replay (the video is about halfway down the page):
    http://www.cbssports.com/gener.....third-base

    Arod’s single landed just on the outfield grass and bounces at least 3 or 4 times before Cespedes fields it. Mesa was off on the crack of the bat and had rounded 3rd base before he gets ready to throw (he was going to throw, I don’t know what Kay was talking about).

    Cespedes fielded the ball in medium centerfield, not really that shallow. Maybe he makes a perfect throw on the dime and nails him it looks to me like Mesa scores pretty easily if he doesn’t miss the base-the YES cameras might not be synced perfectly because it seems like he is just rounding the base when Cespedes picks it up but if you look at the elapsed time on the replay between the ball landing and him picking it up it is almost 3 seconds, that should put Mesa almost halfway between 3rd and home since he is at least halfway to 3rd when the ball lands.

    Just my observations…

  70. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 9:52 am

    Machado is a really good looking player…..but having Arod as your idol doesn’t make you the next Arod……people compare players to Alex way too often…..he was a monster at Machado’s age…..Machado has a .702 OPS this year…….358 /.414 /.631 /1.045 . That’s what Alex his as a 20 year old in the big leagues…..if Machado does that next year then we’ll talk.

  71. GregD September 23rd, 2012 at 9:53 am

    yankeefeminista September 23rd, 2012 at 9:49 am

    —————————
    I will take Abreu like………. something tells me that Flores is going to jump to the front of the line………he has been steadily getting better

  72. Triple Short of a Cycle September 23rd, 2012 at 9:53 am

    If they do actually have a good prospect they will trade him for a pitcher with a bum shoulder or an OFer who K’s 180+ times a year. LOLS.

    ——————————–

    This coming from a guy who roots for a team that traded Curt Schilling

  73. fantasygame101 September 23rd, 2012 at 9:54 am

    now mesa will not have a chance to get to bat. Not a good way to put in a rookie though. Nice to see ibanez coming to life, hope he continues.

  74. yankeefeminista September 23rd, 2012 at 9:54 am

    Greg, maybe later. Hard to say right now. Flores in AA to start. Question is, does Austin go back to A at the beginning or not. I think he might. Then you have Heathcott and Mason, but do Garcia and Zoilo go up to AAA? Yanks love to keep AAAA OF’s at AAA, plus Mustelier and Mesa are at AAA, so where are the spots for them? It will be interesting to see who is put where to get optimum playing time.

  75. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 9:55 am

    people talk about Trout’s historic season…..Alex’s numbers dwarf his at age 20

    Alex had 54 doubles….141 runs….123 RBI’s….36 homers……1.045 OPS…..as a SS at age 20

  76. GregD September 23rd, 2012 at 9:58 am

    yankeefeminista September 23rd, 2012 at 9:54 am

    ————————
    unfortunately, as always, injuries will play a part………..one other question, can Mustelier play a position in the majors….he seems to hit well but can he play the field?

  77. yankeefeminista September 23rd, 2012 at 9:59 am

    GregD, totally agree about Flores. I’ve always liked him, but was surprised by the pop, although I knew it’s been evolving. Even when he made AO’s, he was really punishing the ball and going opposite too. Thing you love about him for NYS is that he is a lefty, so will show even more power, but is a great average hitter. Just the kind of bat we can use. He could move fast too.

  78. Yankee Trader September 23rd, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Why are we talking about prospects?

    In baseball terms a prospect in an expectation, an outlook, an anticipation of what is yet to come. A lot can happen to a prospect before they make a name for themselves as one of the greats to play the sport.

  79. Yankee Trader September 23rd, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Let me rephrase that.

    Why are we talking about Oriole prospects?

  80. GregD September 23rd, 2012 at 10:03 am

    yankeefeminista September 23rd, 2012 at 9:59 am

    ———————–
    I am going to retire in about 2 years and hope to move to NYC. I will be going to Trenton and SI games as much as I can….. :) I love following our prospects on Pinstripes Plus…………..looking forward to seeing for myself

  81. LGY September 23rd, 2012 at 10:04 am

    Saw this stat on twitter. Gotta run but thought it might make for some good Sunday conversation.

    In 1999, there were 43 qualified players who had an OPS of 900 or better on the season. This year, there are 11.

  82. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 10:06 am

    “In 1999, there were 43 qualified players who had an OPS of 900 or better on the season. This year, there are 11.”

    and people still think pitching is harder to find than offense……

  83. pat September 23rd, 2012 at 10:07 am

    joestiglich

    Reliever Jeremy Accardo promoted from Triple-A and added for bullpen depth. Inge transferred to 60-day DL to open 40-man spot. #Athletics

  84. The Return of Stoneburner September 23rd, 2012 at 10:08 am

    blake September 23rd, 2012 at 10:06 am
    “In 1999, there were 43 qualified players who had an OPS of 900 or better on the season. This year, there are 11.”

    and people still think pitching is harder to find than offense……

    ******

    Nah – just the PEDS and steroids – come on – you are using stats from one of the heights of the steroid era

  85. GregD September 23rd, 2012 at 10:08 am

    Kuroda needs to give us 8 innings today…..

  86. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 10:14 am

    “Nah – just the PEDS and steroids – come on – you are using stats from one of the heights of the steroid era”

    what does that matter?…..it doesn’t change the fact that multiple factors (including drug testing) has made elite level offense very difficult to find. I think a lot of things have caused this shift towards pitching being more dominant…..better pitchers….worse offensive approaches….drug testing….and just the way the cycle is right now….but to me it’s pretty clear that good all around hitters are more scarce than they have been in years.

  87. The Return of Stoneburner September 23rd, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Yankee Trader September 23rd, 2012 at 10:00 am
    Why are we talking about prospects?

    In baseball terms a prospect in an expectation, an outlook, an anticipation of what is yet to come. A lot can happen to a prospect before they make a name for themselves as one of the greats to play the sport.

    *****

    A very good point – prospects are potential/suspects until established – the concerning thing is the level of attachment to prospects – even in the Charleston level – and vitriolic anger when the prospects do not pan out (either through trade, injury, or merit) is increasing and alarming. In many ways, while I love the internet and the ability to follow the minors in such detail, I do miss the days of being able to only get the stats in Baseball America or USA Today’s Baseball Weekly in the 80s and 90s – the internet has produced a new kind of prospect follower – on that gets way too attached versus one that enjoys but realizes things can go wrong and the odds of a prospect panning out a very low and that there is no such thing as a can’t miss prospect – that for every ARod there are Phil Nevin’s, Andy Marte, Rick Anikel, and Brien Taylor – - – -

  88. yankeefeminista September 23rd, 2012 at 10:15 am

    GregD, sounds like a great plan. Seeing them yourself is what it is all about. The repetition of seeing the same players over and over again, and getting to watch their progress are most instructive and great fun.

  89. Yankee Trader September 23rd, 2012 at 10:17 am

    This is the schedule for any team in the AL playoffs. Will be very tough if you tie in the division and if you become a wild card.

    Wed. 10/3 -last game regular season
    Thurs. 10/4-tiebraker games if needed to determine division winner
    Fri. 10/5- Wild Card Game
    Sat. 10/6 -ALDS for division winning #2 and #3 seeds
    Sun 10/7-ALDS for #1 seed and WC
    Sat 10/13-start ALCS

    Might need 6 starters if you are the team to need a tiebraker and go in as the wild card!

  90. The Return of Stoneburner September 23rd, 2012 at 10:18 am

    blake September 23rd, 2012 at 10:14 am
    “Nah – just the PEDS and steroids – come on – you are using stats from one of the heights of the steroid era”

    what does that matter?…..it doesn’t change the fact that multiple factors (including drug testing) has made elite level offense very difficult to find. I think a lot of things have caused this shift towards pitching being more dominant…..better pitchers….worse offensive approaches….drug testing….and just the way the cycle is right now….but to me it’s pretty clear that good all around hitters are more scarce than they have been in years.

    ******

    It means that the good all around hitters in the ’90s especially was artificially inflated – so it is NOT more scarce than it years past – if anything – it is more accurate now of what it should have always been. And are we still harping on the offense and young players – seriously – Montero was not going to do anything this year differently if everyone had stayed healthy – and the Yanks have similar type talent coming in greater numbers – young offensive talent is available if you want to pay the price with a Headley and Upton – the song is getting old – the Yanks would have been just fine down the stretch if there were no injuries – and Ichiro has been a nice surprise here and he is the oldest guy in the OF. Finally, enjoy 2012 before fretting over 2013 and 2014 – - – -

  91. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 10:18 am

    I think teams are scouting players with power because with no roids its harder to find guys that can hit the ball out of the park…..more players are sacrificing average to try and hit homers because that’s what scouts and teams want. The hitting approaches across the game are atrocious overall……

    I listen to MLB radio a lot driving to work etc….and it’s amazing how many fans of different teams call in complaining about how their club hits with RISP and situationally…..it’s not just the Yankees…..real fans of the game don’t like the all or nothing…. walk and hit homers approach……they like the homers….they just don’t like the innings of nothing in between and the strikeouts and non-productive AB’s….it’s boring…..

  92. dan l September 23rd, 2012 at 10:18 am

    Just more stupidity from Girardi in putting Mesa in that position.

  93. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 10:20 am

    “It means that the good all around hitters in the ’90s especially was artificially inflated – so it is NOT more scarce than it years past – if anything – it is more accurate now of what it should have always been. ”

    you’re missing the point…..the point isn’t why it is the way it is now…..its the bottom line that there are fewer elite hitters…..and I don’t think that PED’s were the sole reason why there was more offense 10 years ago……I think there were better hitters with better approaches back then.

  94. Yankee Trader September 23rd, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Stoneburner-

    I rephrased that comment to “Why are we talking about Oriole prospects.”
    I enjoy talk about Yankee prospects! :)

  95. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 10:22 am

    “Just more stupidity from Girardi in putting Mesa in that position.”

    Mesa was the last guy left on the bench and Chavez is slow…..he took a gamble that they could score a run that inning….you don’t really plan on a professional player missing a base…..they won the game

  96. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 10:22 am

    also there are more good pitchers now than there were 10 years ago……

  97. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 10:24 am

    “and the Yanks have similar type talent coming in greater numbers – young offensive talent is available if you want to pay the price with a Headley and Upton”

    who? nobody close……and yea offensive talent is available if you want to pay a HUGE price….which was the point that elite level hitters under 30 are probably the most valuable thing in the game right now.

  98. jacksquat September 23rd, 2012 at 10:25 am

    justsaying September 23rd, 2012 at 8:34 am
    Incidentally –

    jacksquat September 22nd, 2012 at 11:38 pm
    yankeefeminista September 22nd, 2012 at 11:26 pm
    Thought you guys would like to know that Montero’s 2/4.

    A little late!
    —————————————————————————-

    Uh, exactly. Jesus is nine singles for 43 AB in last ten games with 2 RBIs for a .209 BA. So 2 singles are something to crow about? So much for heating up in the second half.

    For the record, what I meant was that we could have used some performance from him against Baltimore, it wasn’t a dig at his season (that’s been done enough).

  99. 86w183 September 23rd, 2012 at 10:26 am

    An OPS of .900 is a GREAT all around hitter, not a good one.

    It would be instructive to compare OBP from the two times to see if the difference is overwhelmingly about POWER and not hitting skill which is what I suspect.

    It would also be useful to compare the number of pitchers with K/9 innings of 8 or higher in 1999 to 2012.

    Don Mattingly’s highest OPS for a season was .967

    Alex Rodriguez has topped that SEVEN times.

  100. Wang IS Taiwan September 23rd, 2012 at 10:27 am

    I don’t like Girardi, but I don’t have a problem with putting Melky in there. He was looking for speed. I thought it was interesting, though, what Paul said about the first time he ran the bases in the Majors — that he didn’t feel like he couldn’t even move/control his legs. Nerves are funny things.

    And as blake said…hey, we won! And what a win.

  101. yankeefeminista September 23rd, 2012 at 10:29 am

    JS, the post was a play at irony based on what had just transpired on the blog. As for crowing or not crowing, I am not interested either way and never was. Montero is doing fine for a first year player in a pitcher’s ballpark. As for people’s dislike of him, etc. I try to ignore all the pettiness. and yeah, I understood your response, and was commenting back in reference to the M’s-Baltimore series, so I got it the first time. As for digs, I didn’t assume it was, and even if it were, I am immune to such things with regard to the player.

  102. jacksquat September 23rd, 2012 at 10:31 am

    yankeefeminista September 23rd, 2012 at 9:08 am
    MTU, disagree. Some debate baseball. Some are on some personal vendetta mission. Very different. Those ruining this blog are still here.

    Don’t want to go on and on with this either, but I just hope you aren’t saying that JAP is just a victim and did nothing to provoke posts directed towards him “personally”. You don’t get to go maniac about a single trade and then wonder why everyone is looking at you.

  103. The Return of Stoneburner September 23rd, 2012 at 10:39 am

    blake September 23rd, 2012 at 10:24 am
    “and the Yanks have similar type talent coming in greater numbers – young offensive talent is available if you want to pay the price with a Headley and Upton”

    who? nobody close……and yea offensive talent is available if you want to pay a HUGE price….which was the point that elite level hitters under 30 are probably the most valuable thing in the game right now.

    *********

    So a guy that jumps three levels in Tyler Austin to AA to end there – is not close – i.e. 2014? The offense is not a problem here in 2012 – it is injuries – and you can stopgap another year – it is 2014 that will be the critical transition to youth – offensively they are fine on the farm.

    Look – you are talking about high upside offensive talent – but the high upside pitching is not on the market – King Felix, Kershaw, Verlander – the true type of 1:1 talent you are talking about – and the only thing about having young offensive talent – this hype that has come on about it – is that fans can feel safe about dreaming on the future – when the game has changed to developing your own talent, making timely and astute trades, scrape the bargain bin for stop gaps and maximize the 3 million guy into a 10 million talent for one year – it is a combination of things – not just oh if we get Justin Upton or Cargo everything will be better – and offensive talent can be on the move – AGon got traded twice in the last few seasons – and Upton and Healdey again are on the market – sure they are available for a huge price – but so is similar type pitching – go try and offer a package for Cueto – try it – it would be more expensive than Upton’s package – - –

  104. TheStraw September 23rd, 2012 at 10:42 am

    I was at the game yesterday, and I’m not convinced Mesa would have made it anyhow, although Thomson was windmilling him home like crazy..it looked from where I was sitting like Cespedes had a pretty good chance of getting him at the plate.

  105. Yankee Trader September 23rd, 2012 at 10:49 am

    Have to go.

    Enjoyed the morning.

    Time for the Yankees to give Kuroda some run support, preferably big innings early in the game and let him shut down the A’s.

    Have a great day!

  106. The Return of Stoneburner September 23rd, 2012 at 10:50 am

    jacksquat September 23rd, 2012 at 10:31 am
    yankeefeminista September 23rd, 2012 at 9:08 am
    MTU, disagree. Some debate baseball. Some are on some personal vendetta mission. Very different. Those ruining this blog are still here.

    Don’t want to go on and on with this either, but I just hope you aren’t saying that JAP is just a victim and did nothing to provoke posts directed towards him “personally”. You don’t get to go maniac about a single trade and then wonder why everyone is looking at you.

    ******

    Personal vendetta – kind of like when this JAP character brought in Cashman’s personal life on this blog to allegedly demonstrate that the GM is – in his words – a “weasel.” Okay – - – -

  107. Wang IS Taiwan September 23rd, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Bye YT – I’m signing off as well.

    Go Kuroda!

  108. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 10:55 am

    “So a guy that jumps three levels in Tyler Austin to AA to end there – is not close – i.e. 2014? The offense is not a problem here in 2012″

    Nah…hes not that close…..hes unlikely to help in 2013…..being able to help now or.next year is close. Hes got a handful of ABs in AA…..if he performs in the upper levels next year then we can say hes getting “close”

    And the 2012 offense is the weakest theyve had in over a decade……

  109. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 10:58 am

    –” but so is similar type pitching –go try and offer a package for Cueto – try it – it would be more expensive than Upton’s package –”

    Upton has warts which is why hes available …..try trading for Ryan Braun or Miguel Cabrera or Mike Trout or McCutchen …..the elite of the elite pitchers and hitters arent really what Im talking about because those guys are all.hard to come by…..its the next tier where there is a lot more good pitchers out there than good hitters

  110. Bret The Hitman September 23rd, 2012 at 10:59 am

    O’s fan,

    Yankees have Pineda, Nova and Phelps.

    Banuelos and Campos have tons of potential.

    They need more ML ready hitters if anything.

  111. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 11:02 am

    I do think its an interesting decision as to what they should do with Phelps and Nova here down the stretch …..Phelps has been a better pitcher for awhile now…..but Nova does have more track record and had that great start against the Rays.

    They will keep Nova in the rotation and let Phelps help the pen….but the problem is they really cant afford another clunker from Nova…..they cant afford to lose games and they cant afford the strain it puts on the pen either.

  112. OsOWNtheEAST September 23rd, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Bret,

    You are clueless.

    Pineda is damaged goods.
    Nova stinks… Check his stats this year.
    Phelps is mediocre, very average stuff.
    Campos has a bad elbow, TJ is in his future.
    Banuelos is fragile, can’t stay healthy.
    Betances flat out sucks.
    Yankees young pitchers and pitching prospects BLOW.

  113. OsOWNtheEAST September 23rd, 2012 at 11:05 am

    O’s wouldn’t trade Bundy for all of them combined.

  114. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 11:06 am

    Yes because Brian Matuz and Zack Britton are awesome……

  115. OsOWNtheEAST September 23rd, 2012 at 11:09 am

    Matusz sucks as a starter, looks like he might be a pretty good relived though… Britton is figuring it out still… I wouldn’t trade him for Hughes or Nova, not a chance.

  116. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 11:13 am

    Bundy is a great prospect but he was the #4 overall pick…..anybody can get elite talent picking that high and hes yet to do anything at the big league level……

  117. The Genius Maker September 23rd, 2012 at 11:14 am

    Was at the game…what a blast! My take
    http://stevewigdor.blogspot.com/

  118. OsOWNtheEAST September 23rd, 2012 at 11:16 am

    That argument is so weak Blake that my grandma is laughing at you. Yanks have been buying young international prospects for years. They might not have draft picks but their money has allowed them to buy guys who would has been top 10 picks for years. Too bad the new CBA ends that. Another reason why the Yankee ship is about to sink.

  119. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 11:20 am

    “That argument is so weak Blake that my grandma is laughing at you”

    So Orioles trolls do live on their grandmother’s basements after all……

  120. mick September 23rd, 2012 at 11:20 am

    Cespedes was daring the rookie to go.
    His throw to the plate was on a line as he had been doing all day.
    The rookie prolly falls down from nerves on the way home anyway…

  121. 86w183 September 23rd, 2012 at 11:20 am

    “O’s wouldn’t trade Bundy for all of them (Nova, Pineda, Banuelos, Phelps, Campos and Betances) combined.”

    ********************************************************************

    If so, that is a good indication of why the Orioles have been dreadful for the past 15 years.

  122. mick September 23rd, 2012 at 11:22 am

    AndrewMarchand profile

    AndrewMarchand Ichiro batting second; Jeter DH; Nunez at short. 6 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite
    ==========================
    Hooray for Girardi!

  123. jacksquat September 23rd, 2012 at 11:23 am

    Oh, look, the O’s troll, how cute. :)

  124. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 11:24 am

    I read that the Orioles went back to the Bird on their caps because they were tired of being called the Baltimore Zeros.

  125. dan l September 23rd, 2012 at 11:24 am

    Blake the problem with using Mesa when Girardi did is that the kid never played in a MLB game before. If there was any intention of possibly using him as a pinch runner in an important spot he should been used before yesterday. EPIC FAIL is who Girardi is as a manager.

  126. jacksquat September 23rd, 2012 at 11:24 am

    Jeter DH’ing was a given after 14 innings yesterday.

  127. mick September 23rd, 2012 at 11:25 am

    nuney, jete, ichi small ball lives

  128. mick September 23rd, 2012 at 11:26 am

    When will the silly, unpatriotic “O”s chant go from the Star Spangled Banner?
    Classless…

  129. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 11:26 am

    “Blake the problem with using Mesa when Girardi did is that the kid never played in a MLB game before. If there was any intention of possibly using him as a pinch runner in an important spot he should been used before yesterday.”

    It was the 14th inning….he had already used everybody else…..it was either Mesa, or Cervelli or Teixera…..or let Chavez run for himself.

  130. pat September 23rd, 2012 at 11:27 am

    PeterBotte

    Yankees rookie hazing is today. Get your Star Wars and Spaceballs references ready, apparently. “So, LONESTAR…”

  131. mick September 23rd, 2012 at 11:28 am

    It was the 14th inning….he had already used everybody else…..it was either Mesa, or Cervelli or Teixera…..or let Chavez run for himself.
    =========================
    CC was available.

  132. OsOWNtheEAST September 23rd, 2012 at 11:30 am

    The Yankees time is OVER.

    The time of the Bird is upon us.

    I will be here laughing in your faces when we take the division, you lose in the WC game, and we DOMINATE the East for years to come.

    Yankees suck!!!!!

    Go O’s!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  133. Bo knows September 23rd, 2012 at 11:46 am

    It was a great inning last night. The rest was pretty bad. A lot of fumbling and stumbling. Aah well, onward.

  134. dan l September 23rd, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Blake the point is that there have been opportunities to use Mesa before yesterday but Girardi didn’t. This just another example of Girardi managing himself and the team into a corner. He is a terrible manager.

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