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Yankees postgame: Star Wars costumes and Nunez’s defense

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Sep 23, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees were enjoying rookie hazing day after this 5-4 loss to the A’s. The rookies were given Star Wars clothes to wear. So there was David Phelps as Princess Leia and Melky Mesa as Darth Vader (Where was that black helmet and robe Saturday when Mesa could’ve used to hide his identity after that baserunning blunder in his debut?). Even the new assistant trainer, Mark Littlefield, had to wear a costume. He got stuck with the hairy Chewbacca.

“Every time you guys see Princess Leia, this is what you’ll think of,” Phelps said, posing for pictures.

Eduardo Nunez was the one who could have used the mask and full body costume on this day. But like Mesa the day before, he stood in front of his locker and faced the crowd. Nunez made two more errors at short, including a throwing error in the sixth that led to the decisive run.

“It happens,” said Nunez, who also had a ball pop out of his hand and back in, causing a late throw in the seventh, his seventh error in 33 games. “Everybody has a bad day. You’ve got to keep pushing, keep playing hard.

“I know I have to keep practicing my defense. Everybody knows that.”

My thought is you can’t risk the potential for these type of mistakes with 10 games to go and just a one-game lead in the division, although Jeter did make an error at short Wednesday in the second game of the doubleheader sweep vs. Toronto. Girardi hasn’t been playing Jeter every day at short due to the bruised ankle, using him as the DH when he isn’t in the field. Girardi still sounded concerned about a potential misstep, causing a setback. Jeter didn’t sound worried.

Jayson Nix is another option at short.

“Those are decisions we’ll have to make,” Girardi said.

Girardi, at least publicly, wouldn’t say he’s down on Nunez’s defense, the reason he got sent to the minors in May.

“For the most part, he’s done a real good job,” Girardi said, adding that he just needs more experience.

Girardi likes what the fast-moving Nunez brings overall.

“He give us excitement out there,” Girardi said.

Hiroki Kuroda was charged with five runs, four earned, seven hits, three walks and two wild pitches in 5 2/3. His September numbers? Now 2-1 with a 5.63 ERA in four starts.

So the Yankees’ seven-game winning streak is over. They finished the homestand 7-2. And they finished the season series against the A’s 5-5.

The Yankees go on the road for seven now, starting tonight in Minnesota.

Andy Pettitte gets the start. He’s down for 85-90 pitches after throwing 75 pitches in his strong return start, but Girardi also said he might be willing to push that total against the Twins.

“I feel great,” Pettitte said. “I hope being my second start back, the body feels really good.”

 
 

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136 Responses to “Yankees postgame: Star Wars costumes and Nunez’s defense”

  1. Barry September 23rd, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    You can’t compare Jeter with Nunez. Jeter’s has made ten errors in the season. Nunez is misadventure no matter how appealing his personality. Nix if not Jeter. No to Nunez.

  2. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank September 23rd, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    No pictures?

    Love Nunez on the bases,,, yuchh in field

  3. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank September 23rd, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    Playrs seem to love Nunez ,,, he looks good in the field at times…. But I’ve never seen anyone commit so many errors ,,, I’d be shocked I’f he ever gets better..

  4. jacksquat September 23rd, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    He was better just in 2010. His 2012 in the minors wasn’t bad either. I think he needs consistent playing time.

  5. Barry September 23rd, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    He almost did not have a 2012 in the minors. Hurt most of the season and not at lall the same thing. This guy has ADD. Which means no major league time with a contender.

  6. Jerkface September 23rd, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    Nunez was a passable defender when he spent all of 2010 at SS. The problem is the team went with him on the bench in 2011 and he basically got no playing time, instead of keeping him warm in the minors and continuing to work on things. Then they tried to foist a utility role on him.

  7. Barry September 23rd, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    Take another look at this. The team is not at fault.

  8. tomingeorgia September 23rd, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    trisha,
    Matters not who they play. You have to beat who’s playing you. It’s you vs them, whoever it is. It’s baseball, fercrissakes. Simple game. Score more runs than they do. We win.

  9. jmills September 23rd, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    Hi guys! Cheer for your team.

    Jeter is beyond compare.

  10. Madrugador September 23rd, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    Agree this is a simple game.
    See the ball, hit the ball.
    Pitch the ball, catch the ball , throw the ball.
    Not easy to do but simple.

    Nunez doesn’t make it look easy or simple.
    DH, pinch hit or run but do not put him in the field.

  11. Barry September 23rd, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    Madrugador:

    Yes!

  12. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    “trisha,
    Matters not who they play. You have to beat who’s playing you. It’s you vs them, whoever it is. It’s baseball, fercrissakes. Simple game. Score more runs than they do. We win.”

    tom, playing devil’s advocate here since you know I don’t wince over any team, if you’ve owned a team in the regular season – for example – and another team has owned you, it would be prefectly understandable for any fan to say he or she would rather face the team that your team has owned. Be real now!

    Besides, I’m interested in hearing the different takes. I find it interesting.

    :)

  13. Madrugador September 23rd, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    I am not sure owning a team in the regular season correlates with owning them in the playoffs. The Yanks were “owned” (2-5) against the Chisox but were 4-3 against Texas.
    I don’t see those outcomes as predictive of post season success or failure as much as the players performing well. Even then there are still Midges out there, right?

  14. tucker September 23rd, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    I don’t think Nunez ever will be a great defender. But if he gets enough reps, I think he’ll be good enough to be a starting MLB shortstop.

    Its a combination of confidence and footwork. If he improves his footwork, he will be a passable defender. His errors are compounded by the fact that he has so few chances. He is pressing, which makes things worse.

    That said, I would be reluctant to use him too much down the stretch. The stakes are too high.

  15. tomingeorgia September 23rd, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    trisha,
    Honest to God, I don’t care who we face. We can beat any of them. We just have to do it, is all.

  16. tomingeorgia September 23rd, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    tucker,
    Jeter would not have spun around on that play. He would have squared and thrown. Hope Jeter had a word with him.

  17. jmills September 23rd, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    Tom, that’s the way you have to face it, my friend, agreed.

  18. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    Magrudor – you may be exactly right. I still had an interest in what others were thinking and why they might be thinking that way. Maybe my attempt at a little focusing in as opposed to taking the broad perspective that I do of the season.

    tomingeorgia – honest to God. Neither do I. But I am still interested in hearing what others have to say.

    If those posts are boring, bop on by! I won’t feel insulted in the least.

    :)

  19. LGY September 23rd, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    Nunez’s defense really doesn’t matter at this point. His value right now lies in his ability to hit LHP as compared to their other options. He’s their best option for DH vs LHP and that’s where he should be.

    The Yankees are in a dead heat with the Orioles right now and it’s become clear they are not going to shake them.

    There are only 10 games left. Girardi needs to stop babying Jeter and ARod so much and play his A lineup every single night. No more Jayson Nix, Andruw Jones, McGehee, or Pearce. And no more Nunez in the field.

  20. UnKnown September 23rd, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    Twins playing extras on the backside of a double dip right now in the Motor City.

    Perfect!

  21. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    I get why they tried to make Nunez a utility guy….he’s 25 years old and he’s blocked at the big league level and they liked his bat and baserunning….it was the only real way to use him. They can’t just keep him at AAA until he’s 28….well I guess they could but it’s a waste and not fair to him either….

  22. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    “His value right now lies in his ability to hit LHP as compared to their other options. He’s their best option for DH vs LHP and that’s where he should be. ”

    agree

    “There are only 10 games left. Girardi needs to stop babying Jeter and ARod so much and play his A lineup every single night. No more Jayson Nix, Andruw Jones, McGehee, or Pearce. And no more Nunez in the field.”

    kinda agree here as well….it’s go time….they cannot allow the Orioles to win the division and be forced to play in that WC game.

  23. tomingeorgia September 23rd, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    LGY,
    Thank the Lord for Pearce, yesterday.

  24. 4 NYY September 23rd, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    There are a number of players in the majors who play part time and don’t commit errors at the rate Nunez does. He may or may not become good enough to be a starter. Maybe he should be given a shot in the outfield and spend enough time there to see if he can handle it. But, who knows, he may not ever become an outstanding defender. Appears as though he could become a very decent hitter though. He’s at an age where he needs to start showing consisitency. Certainly like his hustle and speed.

  25. Madrugador September 23rd, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    Pretty sure the consensus opinion here is to not let Nunez play the field any more. Dead Horse alert.

    Tomingeorgia- Not so sure we can beat any of them although I would like to see that.

  26. jmills September 23rd, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    Trisha, I’m boring a good deal of the temps – ask my happy fiends :)

  27. tucker September 23rd, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Blake, Nunez really can’t hide any more in AAA. He is ready for MLB, just not with this team. He would be better suited with a team that is not quite ready to contend– like the Astros. His bat is ready. His range at short is good. He just needs the reps to grow with a young team.

    Tom–that was a perfect example of poor footwork. The middle infield is all about coordination and putting yourself in a position to field a ball cleanly.

  28. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    “Hiroki Kuroda was charged with five runs, four earned, seven hits, three walks and two wild pitches in 5 2/3. His September numbers? Now 2-1 with a 5.63 ERA in four starts.

    And for saying that I preferred Hughes, CC, and Andy in a short series, I got jumped all over. And the perps aren’t even aware enough to be embarrassed at their own lack of statistical recognition – though LGY’s is strictly because he protects Kuroda like a mother lion protects her cub.

    LMAO!!!

    September stats – CC’s ERA – 3.85
    Hughes – 4.24
    Andy – 2.97.

    In fact, this is exactly what I said: My postseason rotation, short series (5 game) is CC, Hughes and Pettitte.

    CON-TRO-VER-SHUL!

    :roll:

    I had worried about CC, but after his last start it definitely appears he has straightened things out. Kuroda’s last four starts have not been postseason-like, and frankly, to me, worrisome.

    If he finishes the season with all goose eggs – or the like – I will certainly re-evaluate my stance!

  29. tomingeorgia September 23rd, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    Madrugador,
    Let’s win the division, then we’ll see.

  30. jacksquat September 23rd, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    Again, you can’t use only 3 pitchers in a series without using guys on short rest, unless the series is only 3 games.

  31. jmills September 23rd, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    4 NYY – where have u been? Ur team needs ur help!!

  32. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    “Blake, Nunez really can’t hide any more in AAA. He is ready for MLB, just not with this team. He would be better suited with a team that is not quite ready to contend– like the Astros. His bat is ready. His range at short is good. He just needs the reps to grow with a young team.”

    I agree….but they can’t just give him away when he’s really their only option if something did happen to Jeter. They could trade him….but they’d need to get good value for him….it’s a difficult situation really for both parties….

    I wish he could just catch the ball….it would make things a lot easier but he just doesn’t seem to have a natural rhythm to playing infield…..he has to practice the dance steps to field the ball and sometimes he gets off time or doesn’t get his feet in the right position and his hands follow….feet are everything to an infielder…they get you in position to field the ball and then the hands follow…he just doesn’t have a natural timing to the footwork to me….I do think it would be better with more playing time but that’s obviously an issue with the Yanks and it’s a viscous cycle of rust causing errors….and errors causing rust.

  33. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    A fan forum is not the place for either critical or out-of-the-box thinking. For those who just can’t get there, it’s like you’ve kidnapped their firstborn!

    Oh well.

  34. LGY September 23rd, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    Trisha

    I’m well aware of Kuroda’s September statistics.

    I’m also well aware that determining the postseason rotation based strictly on September statistics would be the height of stupidity.

  35. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    jacksquat – and when you explained that to me, based on the change in days off, I said that I hoped Kuroda was just not put in a pivotal game. Reasonable, I’d say, at this point in time. I didn’t say that I hoped they put anyone else in his place.

    But that wasn’t good enough for those who felt like piling on later on.

    Oh well.

  36. 4 NYY September 23rd, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    Maybe not here, but certainly watching and following my Yanks ! Thanks.

  37. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    “I’m also well aware that determining the postseason rotation based strictly on September statistics would be the height of stupidity.”

    You also thought we shouldn’t have traded Montero.

  38. jmills September 23rd, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    LGY, take a pill, and be glad your team is there.

  39. jacksquat September 23rd, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    Trisha, so will you finally be critical of Girardi when he starts Kuroda in game 2 or 3, or will you say that he “must have a reason”?

  40. 4 NYY September 23rd, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 10:14 pm
    A fan forum is not the place for either critical or out-of-the-box thinking. For those who just can’t get there, it’s like you’ve kidnapped their firstborn!

    Oh well.

    ========================

    Trish, I think some want you in a box and taped shut. If you know what I mean ? LOL

  41. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    LGY, you make no bones about how Kuroda is your boy. I make no bones about wanting the best pitching staff out there. At this point in time, I’m not high on anyone trending downward, which Kuroda has been doing. If that changes in the next two weeks, then I re-evalaute.

    I definitely don’t want pitchers based on sentimentality. Do you?

  42. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    “Trish, I think some want you in a box and taped shut. If you know what I mean ? LOL”

    So bad they can taste it!!!

    :lol:

  43. LGY September 23rd, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    There have been enough knee jerk crazy comments on LoHud for us to create a Lunatic Yankee Fans Hall of Fame.

    But, that CC Sabathia, in the prime of his career, shouldn’t be in the postseason rotation would deserve it’s own wing in the museum.

  44. tomingeorgia September 23rd, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    Hey everybody, let’s fight. I’ll hold your coats.
    We’re in first.

  45. tucker September 23rd, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    That is why it is so difficult to break in w the Yanks as a young player. You have to perform and perform right away.

    For somebody like Montero, they could have eased him into the lineup — catch 50 games, DH 50 games. Have the starting catcher start 110 games … If you have a once in a generation SS like Jeter, there is no room.

  46. 4 NYY September 23rd, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    I say we go find Hector Lopez and see if he can still do what he used to do !

  47. tomingeorgia September 23rd, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    See ya.

  48. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    “Trisha, so will you finally be critical of Girardi when he starts Kuroda in game 2 or 3, or will you say that he “must have a reason”?”

    jacksquat – fair question. And as you have shown the courtesy and ability to at least listen to my reponses, I’ll tell you what I’m thinking. I’ll be thinking that he knows more about the entire situation than I do and that he’s made an informed decision with the help of his coaches. It doesn’t mean I might not be puking. See you have to understand one thing. I know he knows more than I do about managing a game. The other day I questioned why he didn’t leave Lowe in for several innings, etc. etc. But I do know that he has his reasons for doing things, and they are thought out.

    I definitely question the wisdom on this forum before I question Girardi – my own wisdom included – because I know he knows the game better than everyone on this forum. Let’s at least be honest about that much.

    That’s as honest as I can be about it. If it makes me sound like a wimp, then it does. But I ultimately have to trust that he knows what he’s doing based on the plethora of information that he’s got at his fingertips.

  49. jmills September 23rd, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    Tom, put me in Tucker’s great asylum.

    A lover of fast cars, I am.

    Best

  50. blake September 23rd, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    CC is going to start game 1 against probably Verlander and the Tigers.

  51. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 10:33 pm

    “But, that CC Sabathia, in the prime of his career, shouldn’t be in the postseason rotation would deserve it’s own wing in the museum.”

    Question for you. There’s no right and wrong answer since we are all just voicing our own opinions here – but if you thought CC was in a bad place with his pitching, for whatever reason, and others in the rotation were really doing a much better job – would you think he should still be in the postseason because it’s CC and he’s in the prime of his career?

    I was actually worried that he was playing with some injury because he was so unlike himself. Whyever should I be criticized for thinking he could possibly hurt the Yankees if he wasn’t pitching well?

  52. Tar September 23rd, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    Trish

    Even in a short series you need 4 starters, unless you sweep (or are swept) or pitch CC on three days rest. And that’s if you are the division winner.

  53. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    jmills, thanks for hanging here. You are a wonderful addition to our forum. I hope I can be cheering you on next season when your Jays finally make their move!

  54. Madrugador September 23rd, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    If we win the division, my prediction is that CC Game 1, and Kuroda Game 2. It may be the right thing to do, it may be the wrong thing to do. It will be the thing Girardi does though.

    We play tomorrow, we win tomorrow,
    Manana.

  55. jmills September 23rd, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    Trisha ( I know ), Giradi is in a position unlike some silly fool avec meself!

    ” Keep on, keeping on.”

    :)

  56. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    “Even in a short series you need 4 starters, unless you sweep (or are swept) or pitch CC on three days rest. And that’s if you are the division winner.”

    Tar, that’s fine. But I definitely thought I remembered when we went with three pitchers in a short series. Maybe I’m misremembering! If we need four then we need four.

    :)

  57. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    “If we win the division, my prediction is that CC Game 1, and Kuroda Game 2. It may be the right thing to do, it may be the wrong thing to do. It will be the thing Girardi does though.

    We play tomorrow, we win tomorrow,
    Manana.”

    Thanks Magrudor.

    Manana!

    :)

  58. Tar September 23rd, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    I am pretty sure in past years there were more off days. So yeah I remember them going with three starters as well. I don’t think that’s happening this year.

  59. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    “Trisha ( I know ), Giradi is in a position unlike some silly fool avec meself!”

    Moi aussi, mon ami. That’s why I have nothing but to trust!

  60. LGY September 23rd, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    Trisha

    It has nothing to do with sentimentality or Kuroda being my “boy.” Any sane patient baseball fan understands that CC and Kuroda’s career and whole season numbers are much more important as to their ability to pitch well in the postseason than a small sample of starts in September.

    Ivan Nova, who has pitched to a 5 ERA this season, doesn’t take CC SABATHIA’s postseason rotation spot because he makes one good start. Hiroki Kuroda, their best pitcher this season, doesn’t get bumped from the rotation because of one bad month.

    Practice what you preach or stop flooding this forum with good waiters get good tips.

  61. UnKnown September 23rd, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    Comparing things said on Lohud to kidnapping a persons firstborn. Are you serious?? Overstate things much??

    How completely classless and distasteful. But it’s always someone else’s fault why people get angry isn’t it?

    What’s the next comparison going to be? How about a tragic car accident? GROW UP!

  62. jmills September 23rd, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    Trish, when I get Paul Molitar and Alomar along with Rickie Henderson,…. Everbody is going to be in a hole lot of trouble!

    Best to you and your’s.

    As,…always, absolutely!!!!

  63. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    “I am pretty sure in past years there were more off days. So yeah I remember them going with three starters as well. I don’t think that’s happening this year.”

    That’s what jacksqquat explained. I think I remember someone saying that Scoscia complained to sneaky Bud and things were changed because of it.

  64. jmills September 23rd, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    Sorry, ” everybody.”

    Damn blackberry.

  65. Jerkface September 23rd, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    Game 1 – 6
    Game 2 – 7
    Game 3 – 9
    Game 4 – 10 [3 days rest]
    Game 5 – 11 [4 days rest] [3 days rest for gm2 starter]

    Game 1 – 7
    Game 2 – 8
    Game 3 – 10
    Game 4 – 11 [3 days rest]
    Game 5 – 12 [4 days rest][3 days rest for gm2 starter]

    You need 4 starters, and Kuroda would be one of the 3 anyways.

  66. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    “Comparing things said on Lohud to kidnapping a persons firstborn. Are you serious?? Overstate things much??”

    Oh God, it’s purely a manner of speaking, not to be taken literally.

    :lol:

  67. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    And speaking of growing up, you of all people need to take your own advice.

  68. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    LGY – thanks for the treatise. And now how about answering my question.

  69. jacksquat September 23rd, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    Yeah, very much doubt they will use CC on 3 days rest this year, given his problems.

  70. LGY September 23rd, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 10:46 pm
    LGY – thanks for the treatise. And now how about answering my question.

    ———

    What question?

  71. Duh Innings II September 23rd, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    Texas has the toughest remaining schedule (TRS): 3 with the Angels sandwiched by two series with the As.

    Oakland has the second TRS: 3 with the Mariners where (the As) will draw the Ms 1 and 2 starters Hernandez and Vargas, respectively, sandwiched by two series with the Rangers including 4 at Texas.

    This would be a GREAT time for Jesus Montero to help out the Yankees hahaha.

    Baltimore has the third TRS: 4 with the Blue Jays including a doubleheader tomorrow, 3 with Boston, and 3 at Tampa Bay.

    The Yankees have the easiest remaining schedule: 3 at the Twins, 4 at the Blue Jays, and 3 with the Red Sox.

    Prediction:

    Division Winners: Yankees (#1 seed), White Sox & Rangers

    Wildcards – As & Os

    Yanks in four no matter who their ALDS opponent is

    White Sox-Rangers ALDS (Rangers can’t draw the As save in the ALCS), White Sox in four

    Yanks-White Sox ALCS, Yanks in six

  72. UnKnown September 23rd, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    I’m not the one throwing around needless comparisons to flame the blog but of course you wouldn’t take any responsibility for any wrong doing.

    Forget it. Keep telling people how great Darnell McDonald are and how Freddy will be starting in the Postseason because he has such great ‘Veteran” experience. Maybe at some point you will actually figure out the difference between a perfect game and a no hitter too.

    Whatever…

  73. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    “Any sane patient baseball fan understands that CC and Kuroda’s career and whole season numbers are much more important as to their ability to pitch well in the postseason than a small sample of starts in September.”

    Right, because we all know that pitchers magically revert to form and that their recent starts are meaningless.

    LGY, I’m done with this with you.

  74. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    Unknown – you have issues. Leave me alone.

  75. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    “You need 4 starters, and Kuroda would be one of the 3 anyways.”

    If Kuorda imploded the rest of the season, and CC, Andy and Hugheswere spotless, would Kuorda still be one of the three? If so, I have major issues with how that choice would be made.

  76. jmills September 23rd, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    Trish, get yourself a precious ace – post season. Who cares? You have Stieb from me to your’s, no problem.

  77. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    LGY – read my post at 10:33.

  78. UnKnown September 23rd, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    Just commenting on what people post.

    Don’t worry I checked with Chad he said I could do that. I might have to check with him though on whether we can make inflammatory comparisons like you just did.

    And speaking of issues, um, go find your nearest mirror and look into it please.

    NEXT!!

  79. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    jmills — the problem is trying to have intellectual discourse with posters who are unable to do so, or who are so buried in their own resentement toward me that no matter what I post, they can only see red.

    If you ever take the time to read any chronology where Unknown is around when I am posting, you’ll see exactly what I mean. Even when I say things that are in total agreement with something he’s posted, he’ll find a way to go off on me. Or sit in wait until someone else takes a shot at me so he can jump up and down with glee and LOL!

    It’s pretty weird.

  80. Jerkface September 23rd, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    If Kuorda imploded the rest of the season, and CC, Andy and Hugheswere spotless, would Kuorda still be one of the three? If so, I have major issues with how that choice would be made.

    1. Kuroda is hardly ‘imploding’
    2. CC & Hughes are not spotless
    3. Even if the above were true, Kuroda has a track record its why you acquire pitchers like that. So he’d still be the Gm2 guy. With Pettitte in Game 3.

  81. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    “NEXT!!”

    Oh my God. West Coast Sux Fan. I should have known. Only a total lunatic would have taken off on me without any provocation. I kept saying that I had never done anything to that poster and couldn’t understand the problem. I now understand it.

    Next is right.

  82. UnKnown September 23rd, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    Kuroda is definitely going to throw in the postseason. How his next two starts go are meaningless. He has proven plenty enough already.

    Like I said earlier the way the rotation works out the rest of the season is probably going to dictate who makes the starts in which games for the playoffs.

    For instance Kuroda throws next Wednesday so if the Yanks are the 2 seed he will probably go Game 3 as you wouldn’t want him working on 2 or 3 days rest. And if the Yankees are the 1 seed he probably goes Game 2 on 4 days rest.

  83. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    “1. Kuroda is hardly ‘imploding’
    2. CC & Hughes are not spotless”

    Hypotheticals of course.

    I believe the way someone finishes a season is highly relevant, especially if the pitcher is on a run of giving up too many runs and giving back leads. It could be indicative of tired arm or any other issue.

    If he pitches game 2, he pitches game 2. I think I have the right to feel concerned if he continues to pitch the way he’s been pitching. That pitching won’t wash in the post IMO.

  84. Jerkface September 23rd, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    I believe the way someone finishes a season is highly relevant, especially if the pitcher is on a run of giving up too many runs and giving back leads. It could be indicative of tired arm or any other issue.

    CC got knocked around in his last game in 09. Andy pettitte had a 5 ERA in september in 09. I don’t think the performance of established veterans over a small sample is that relevant to future performance.

  85. UnKnown September 23rd, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    Actually if Kuroda is this team’s only problem heading into October, then we are in great shape.

    Questioning why Kuroda would get a postseason start is really micro-managing. He has been the Yankees best starter this year.

    Thankfully when he throws a gem on Thursday this nonsense can hopefully go away.

  86. UnKnown September 23rd, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    Check that Kuroda will go on Friday. Sorry about that, my fault.

    Friday I anticipate him being really good. Nova I hope is good as well on Thursday.

  87. randy l. September 23rd, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    the rays are first in pitching
    but aren’t going to the playoffs ?

    baltimore is 8th in pitching and is?

    very interesting.

  88. UnKnown September 23rd, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    randy l.

    Don’t you know, it’s the “Trash Kuroda Show.” So enthralling isn’t it?

    Yankees best starter this year shouldn’t make a postseason start. Wow, talk about an ungrateful fan. The guy gives us Yankee fans his heart and soul and pitches the type of year he has and you don’t want to give him a postseason start.

    SMH

  89. UnKnown September 23rd, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    CC got knocked around in his last game in 09. Andy pettitte had a 5 ERA in september in 09. I don’t think the performance of established veterans over a small sample is that relevant to future performance.

    ——–

    Spot On!! Makes me want to Jump and Jump with Glee. LOL

  90. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    Give it a rest West Coast.

    **********

    Have the rays been mathematically eliminated randy?

  91. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    “CC got knocked around in his last game in 09. Andy pettitte had a 5 ERA in september in 09. I don’t think the performance of established veterans over a small sample is that relevant to future performance.”

    You might be right.

    The guys has given up 4 ER in 4 of his 5 last starts and has given back leads.

    If that isn’t worrisome to you, that’s a good thing. It’s worrisome to me. And I would be worried about any of our starters doing the same thing.

    No need to take it beyond that. And since I have been accused of giving too much sway to starting pitching, it shouldn’t be any surprise that I would be extremely concerned about our starting pitching, maybe moreso than others here who don’t think that starting pitching is as critical a component as we all know that I do.

    Anyway, my thinking is my thinking. It may change over the next two weeks depending on what happens with the rest of the starts.

  92. Tar September 23rd, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    “baltimore is 8th in pitching and is?”

    In the AL.

    Actually 18th in MLB. I know I debated about their pitching with my brother a little while ago. And Baltimore starting pitching is actually 23rd out of 30. Their run of luck is going to run out sooner rather then later. ( of course I’ve been saying that for weeks now :wink: )

  93. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    Baltimore is also 9th in runs scored in the AL and 16th in MLB, so I don’t know exactly what point is being made here. And the Rays are very much still in the running for the postseason, so I wouldn’t totally count them out yet.

  94. Jerkface September 23rd, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    The Rays are 3.5 games back from a wild card spot with 9 games left to go. Technically in the running but real hard to make up. They basically have to win out.

  95. UnKnown September 23rd, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    Give it a rest West Coast.

    ———–

    West Coast?? Keep accusing people of being “West Coast Whoever”. This is about your 10th try at it. Maybe the 11th will be the one cause I have no idea what you’re talking about.

    But whoever this West Coast guy/girl is must have really done a number on you cause you are flat out obsessed with calling people by this name. In less then a week you will be telling another poster that they are this West Coast thing or whatever.

    Nice try though.

  96. Tar September 23rd, 2012 at 11:49 pm

    My point is Baltimore is not especially adept at pitching (or hitting) yet they just keep winning. My take is they are a decent team that is on a run of really good luck.

    Speaking of Baltimore, great game going on there right now, with any luck the Pats are going to lose.

  97. UnKnown September 23rd, 2012 at 11:49 pm

    BTW great football game going on right now.

    Belli “Cheat” and Harbaugh have been maniacs throughout this one.

  98. Jerkface September 23rd, 2012 at 11:49 pm

    Unknown has been posting here since before WCYF even arrived, so unless it is a really long con…

  99. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    Well it’s onward and upward. This will be an interesting watch as the Twins, Jays, and Sux are now all in the role of spoiler.

    Thanks for the conversation, those of you who were civil and courteous.

    Night.

    :)

  100. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    “Speaking of Baltimore, great game going on there right now, with any luck the Pats are going to lose.”

    Now that makes me happy!

    :)

  101. UnKnown September 23rd, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    The Postseason is going to be just awesome. National League and American League are both going to be great.

    Plus there might even be tiebreakers on Thursday even.

  102. Pat M. September 23rd, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    Tampa has the last 3 games of the seaosn vs.he Fighting Showalters so as long as the math fits Maddon’s club is still lurking……..Tricia, save your breath

  103. Tar September 23rd, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    Was that good ?

  104. Tar September 23rd, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    I guess that’s not reviewable? Haha Pats.

  105. Tar September 23rd, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    On top of losing Belicheat grabbed the Ref as he was running off the field. Th NFL ref strike is a mess.

    I almost wish MLB Ump would go on strike. Ok I’m kidding, but not by much. That HP ump today was awful and that call at first could have cost us the game.

  106. Jerkface September 23rd, 2012 at 11:59 pm

    Tampa has the last 3 games of the seaosn vs.he Fighting Showalters so as long as the math fits Maddon’s club is still lurking……..Tricia, save your breath

    Yea but they are 4.5 gb of the Orioles. It is very tough. It would take a miracle like last season for them to make it.

  107. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2012 at 11:59 pm

    NBC said review showed it was good!

    :lol:

    Ugly Belicheat flew into a rage!

    God bless Tori Smith. :(

  108. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 24th, 2012 at 12:00 am

    Torrey Smith.

    Wish he wasn’t being interviewed.

  109. Jerkface September 24th, 2012 at 12:01 am

    Playing 4-5 games better than 3 teams ahead of you is really hard with only 9 games left to play. There has to be 2 collapses and the Rays have to win out.

  110. UnKnown September 24th, 2012 at 12:04 am

    Jerkface September 23rd, 2012 at 11:49 pm
    Unknown has been posting here since before WCYF even arrived, so unless it is a really long con…

    ———

    Thank You. I rest my case Your Honor.

  111. Pat M. September 24th, 2012 at 12:05 am

    Face……By the time Baltimore arrives in Tampa, The Rays will still be in the race…….

  112. Jerkface September 24th, 2012 at 12:13 am

    Real iffy, Pat M. You saying they are going to win out?

  113. Tar September 24th, 2012 at 12:13 am

    The A’s have 7 left against Texas, thats not easy. Also 3 against Seattle but luckily for them they miss Felix.

  114. Jerkface September 24th, 2012 at 12:20 am

    Basically, if the Rays go 9-0, the O’s can play .500 and tie.

  115. Tar September 24th, 2012 at 12:22 am

    If the A’s go 3 and 7–the Rays would have to go 6-3 for a tie. Also they would have to jump past the Angels who are a game ahead of them. Not likely but possible.

  116. Pat M. September 24th, 2012 at 12:38 am

    Face…..What I am saying is this, when Baltimore drops a few games and if Tampa wins a few then it’ll be interesting to see how Baltimore handles the pressure……More to the point, if the lead is 3 or less when they arrive in Tampa in 8 days , well then it’s going to be very interesting…….

  117. Tabbert September 24th, 2012 at 1:00 am

    We REALLY need the jays to split that double dip tomorrow with the orioles. That would give us a 2 game edge in the loss department. I also think that the Rays will play to ruin the orioles chances at the East ( even if they are out of playoff contention) this is the rays were talking about… they don’t just roll over.

  118. Jerkface September 24th, 2012 at 1:02 am

    Pat,

    They have been keeping up with the Yankees for 20 days now, so I don’t think their ability to handle pressure is really in question. It would be interesting if they were going into their final series in striking distance, but if it was 3 games they’d still have to sweep to tie. Its just really improbable.

  119. jacksquat September 24th, 2012 at 1:09 am

    The Rays have a better chance of catching the A’s than the O’s.

  120. MG September 24th, 2012 at 7:33 am

    So much for cupcake schedules-the Twinkies swept a doubleheader from the Tigers yesterday when the Tigers could have moved into 1st place in the AL Central.

    The Yankees need to continue to play good baseball with Andy leading the way tonight.

    The O’s play a doubleheader at home against Toronto, hopefully the Jays manage to get a win and give the Yankees a little breathing room.

    I was very impressed by the A’s over the weekend, they play tough and have a very deep bullpen-the Yankees did well by winning 2 and could have swept except for another bad call at 1st base that went against them, a bad error by Nunez that lead to the lead run, and a lack of timely hitting.

  121. blake September 24th, 2012 at 7:37 am

    The Twins offense isnt bad……they have a lot of contact and higj BA guys in their lineup and Mauer has killed the ball in the 2nd half……their issue is they cant pitch…so the offense better show up

  122. MG September 24th, 2012 at 8:07 am

    blake, I’ve never heard of the guy pitching for the Twins tonight but his ERA is about 6, I’ll take 5 or 6 runs and a 6-3 win, how about you?

  123. MTU September 24th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    Morning.

    When the races are this close you take nothing for granted.

    Just ask the Tigers.

    ;)

  124. 86w183 September 24th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    Morning folks —

    The Rays need to win in Boston and hope Texas takes care of Oakland. Yanks definitely want Tampa to be in play when the Baltimore series comes around.

    Hendriks is a 23 year old Aussie RHP with a 1-9. 5.95 mark in 18 MLB starts. He doesn’t strike people out much, either in the Majors or Minors.

  125. MTU September 24th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    Actually I hope the A’s take care of Texas.

    ;)

  126. MTU September 24th, 2012 at 8:26 am

    Was listening to SNB.

    The announcers all thought that being the #3 seed was the best deal
    because of this year’s format.

    The # 3 seed gets to play the first 2 of 5 at home.

    Win both and you only have to take 1 of the remaining 3 at the other guy’s park.

  127. jacksquat September 24th, 2012 at 8:30 am

    White Sox/Tigers will be the #3 seed. Sucks how that worked out.

  128. blake September 24th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    “blake, I’ve never heard of the guy pitching for the Twins tonight but his ERA is about 6, I’ll take 5 or 6 runs and a 6-3 win, how about you?”

    Yes…actually Ill take any score where the Yanks have more runs rhan the Twins :)

  129. MTU September 24th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    I do not like the new system.

    IMO it’s too convoluted.

  130. jacksquat September 24th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    Next year there will not be the 2 road/ 3 home (for the higher rank) thing again.

  131. MTU September 24th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    Jack-

    Yes. I know.

    Seems like someone threw it together this year during a hangover.

    :)

  132. 86w183 September 24th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    They rushed it into effect and the result is a bad system that cannot and will not continue.

    Still hoping they go to 2-of-3 for wild card with no divisional playoff game (use tie-breakers). That would give maximum benefit to # 1 which is as it should be.

    Wild Card Series Mon-Wed, # 2 vs # 3 starts Wednesday… # 1 vs Wild card starts Thursday.

    2-2-1 format for the divisional series.

    Problem(s) solved

  133. blake September 24th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    What MLB should do is:

    -Get rid of the divisions and balance the schedule so every AL team plays every other AL team the same number of games and same with the NL.
    - have the top 3 records in each league get buys to the ALDS and the 4th and 5th best records play a 3 game WC series to advance to the ALDS.
    - best record plays the WC and the #2 plays the #3 in the ALDs.

  134. blake September 24th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    Interleague play would obviously complicate things……

  135. blake September 24th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    So long as there are divisions itll never be totally fair…..for example this year either the Yanks or Orioles will be forced to play a 1 game sudden death game while the AL central winner who has a much worse record will walk straight to the ALDS.

  136. 86w183 September 24th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Fairness is a myth. Nothing in life or sports is “fair”.

    Baseball would kill fan interest with 15 team leagues with no divisions. NOBODY will follow a team in eleventh place.

    Divisional play is fine, and the more balanced the schedule the more representative the five post-season teams will be.

    That’s the best you can hope for.


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