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Postgame notes: “If there’s a time, now’s the time”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Sep 26, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Joe Mauer is hitting .323 with the highest on-base percentage in the Majors. He could get some bottom-of-the-ballot MVP votes, and he’s been red hot in September. The Twins No. 3 hitter came into this afternoon hitting .444 in his past 11 games.

Mauer faced CC Sabathia four times today. In his first three at-bats, he struck out on three pitches. In his last at-bat, he rolled over a first-pitch groundout.

“I think every team looks at their No. 1 and is like, this is the guy we have to win with,” Eric Chavez said. “(Sabathia)’s definitely that guy for us. It was good to see him have back-to-back starts where his stuff was really good. I think if you were to look at one hitter, you look at Mauer and what he was able to do to him today. It tells you how good his stuff is.”

One strong start is good, two is better, and the Yankees now seem to have their ace back. After four starts that raised serious questions about Sabathia’s workload, health and whether he was running out of gas down the stretch, he’s now delivered consecutive gems. Today he struck out 10, walked one and allowed seven hits, all of which were singles. Of his 118 pitches, 89 were strikes.

“This is what he can do, he can string a bunch of good ones together,” Joe Girardi said. “We said if there’s a time, now’s the time. … I’ve never been a guy that didn’t believe in CC. He just wasn’t able to get on that roll that we’ve seen (in the past). He had a couple DL stints that interrupted his season. He had some good months before he went on the DL the first time, and we saw some good starts after he came off the DL the first time, but it’s nice to see him put a couple back-to-back.”

Sabathia’s slider was terrific today, and he was pounding the zone. Chris Stewart said he had no idea what the numbers were, but “it felt like everything he threw was in the strike zone and they were either fouling it off or swinging and missing.”

It was the Sabathia of old, and Sabathia said there was a reason for that. He said nothing has changed. He didn’t make a big mechanical adjustment. He doesn’t feel any different than he did three weeks ago. He can’t tell that his arm feels any more rested because of the missed starts while on the DL.

“It’s a good and bad thing getting time off,” he said. “Everybody said it was a great thing for me to have time off, it got me rested, then I go out and not pitch well and I’m not as sharp. I feel good. I feel the same. And this is the thing, I always feel good, especially late. It’s just one of those where I’ve had the time off, where I don’t have as many innings, but I feel the same. I can’t really tell you that I feel any different than I have the past couple of years.”

For the Yankees, the same thing is a good thing. It means their big man is back.

• Alex Rodriguez said he got “a lot of ice” today, and because the Yankees had the game under control, he never had to test his sore left foot to decide whether he could have pinch hit if necessary. He and Girardi remain hopeful that Rodiguez will be back in the lineup tomorrow. “Even feeling good, four days on turf is a little tough on a lot of our guys,” Rodriguez said. “That’s never something where you have a lot of fun.”

• Mark Teixeira went through his usual drills down in Tampa today, and he could play in an intrasquad game as early as tomorrow. “He ran a little bit harder today and felt pretty good,” Girardi said.

• Twins starter Samuel Deduno left today’s game in the second inning because of some sort of irritation in his left eye. The Twins then called left-hander Brian Duensing out of the bullpen. That meant the Yankees had their left-heavy lineup facing a lefty. “I actually ran up and checked to see the most pitches he had thrown recently in the last month was 40,” Girardi said. “So you figure, it’s one time through your lineup. You start changing, it may be too early, so we decided to kind of stay with it. Some of our lefties had had some success off him.”

• It was against Duensing that the Yankees scored six runs in the third, with the big hits coming from lefties Robinson Cano and Curtis Granderson. For Cano, it seemed like a significant step forward. He’s struggled lately, especially against left-handers, but he built on yesterday’s three-hit game with two doubles this afternoon. “It’s really hard when you struggle against lefties, because you know all they’re going to do is bring in a lefty from the pen,” Cano said. “But you’ve got to forget about what happened in the past, or the at-bat before, just go in there with a positive mind and try to get a hit.”

• Speaking of lefties having success, Chris Dickerson had another big day with another rare start. He singled off Duensing — he hit lefties much better down in Triple-A this year — then hit a long home run off right-hander Anthony Swarzak. “We had a lot of simulated games that got him at-bats for a while,” Girardi said. “We haven’t had any lately, but I think that really helped, to try to give him some at-bats and somewhat keep him sharp. It’s impressive what he’s done.”

• Rafael Soriano was playing catch on his own in the ninth inning, but Girardi had Dave Robertson legitimately getting loose in the eighth. He told him to just start throwing lightly just in case things got out of hand. “I would do it in June, too,” Girardi said. “You’re not going to let yourself get in that situation where it’s close and you’re scrambling to get guys ready. You tell them to go slow, give them the situation where they might come in — a couple guys get on, I might bring you in — that way they can kind of pace themselves down there.”

• David Aardsma was also getting loose late in the game, but Girardi said he was never really planning to bring him in. He preferred to get Cody Eppley some work. “Epp hasn’t been throwing a lot lately,” Girardi said. “I think it’s important to keep him going.”

• Speaking of guys getting a game. Brett Gardner played an inning of uneventful defense in left field. “I was a little nervous going out there,” Gardner said.

• Eric Chavez on his first reaction upon realizing there were only two outs after he stepped on third base in the fifth inning. “Oh s***!” Hard to argue with that.

• Girardi’s interesting take on the Chavez mistake: “Sometimes things work out right. If he throws the ball to second, I don’t think he turns the double play, then you have first and third. The ball gets by Stewy and they get another run. Sometimes it just works in your favor.”

• Swisher on his crazy spinning, diving, throwing play in the first inning: “I just felt that I had a good read on it, and I knew exactly what I was going to do when I got to the ball, so I felt a little more confident today than I did the other day. I felt like the other day I had a hesitation, and any time you have a little hesitation on a play like that, you either eat it, or throw it in the seats.”

• Final word goes to Swisher, talking about Sabathia’s outing: “I expect that. That’s what he’s brought here to do. He’s been on course for the last four years, and we don’t expect anything different. If he’s pitching great, or he’s pitching bad, the effort level is there. I think tonight shows what he’s capable of doing, and anytime we give him a cushion and some runs early, he really bears down and gets outs. In general, It just feels like those early September woes are out the door. I feel like we’re playing our best ball now, and this is the perfect time to be doing it.”

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141 Responses to “Postgame notes: “If there’s a time, now’s the time””

  1. fantasygame101 September 26th, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    so aardsma is not an option for postseason then why activate him? my guess thomas was not that important anyway.

  2. blake September 26th, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    If the Yanks split in Toronto and win 2 of 3 against Boston then the Os would need to win tonight then go 5-1 over their final 6 to tie.

    If the Yanks win 3 of 4 in Toronto and 2 of 3 vs Boston….then thr Os have to win out to tie.

  3. G. Love September 26th, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    Good stuff blake. After watching the team collapse for awhile there, it’s good to see how realistic taking the division is. I hope they keep this up. They’re playing so much better now. Last weekend felt like a bit of turning point for this team.

    I’m glad CC is making it easy to see why he starts any game 1. I’d go CC-Kuroda & then Andy-Hughes since Hughes pitches better at home. CC goes game 5 if needed.

    Ichiro is our X-factor. If he hits, I think we win another title this year. He & Jeter drive the lineup.

  4. PacoDooley September 26th, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    This team is looking like the one that was on a tear some weeks ago. A win last night would have really put some pressure on Texas for the best record in the AL – still possible, but they could have used that win to keep them moving. Let’s hope for an Orioles loss tonight…

  5. CompassRosy September 26th, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    Finally.
    Seattle beats NY in something :-)

    The Seattle Times
    ?
    @seattletimes
    BusinessWeek ranks Seattle the No. 2 Best City in America seati.ms/Ppv4Tc (h/t @jontalton)

  6. Jerkface September 26th, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    so aardsma is not an option for postseason then why activate him? my guess thomas was not that important anyway.

    If he finished his allotted rehab time they may have been forced to.

  7. jmills September 26th, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    Compass, when you’ve got Hendrix from your town,…..you’re #1! :)

  8. jmills September 26th, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    Encarnacion 1, O’s not yet to bat.

  9. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    Welcome back to hell, O’s!

    signed, Edwin Encarnacion

    :)

    1-0 Jays

  10. CompassRosy September 26th, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    jmills ~

    My son would be with you on that :)
    (he’s only 18 but, an “old soul” when it comes to music)

  11. Bo knows September 26th, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    I swear someone read to them from the Good Book – Blake’s Epistle to the Brethren – “You’re trying to do too much”. That six run inning was very heartening.

  12. tomingeorgia September 26th, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    Way to go, Jays.

  13. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    Hey jmills, it’s all good!

    There’s actually something nice about watching games without perusing every post!

    Camden looks a little empty. Maybe because it’s early.

    Anyway, go Jays!!!

    Will see you in a while.

    :)

  14. jmills September 26th, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    I remember many tough loses to the O’s in ’83 – threw a few things around the bedroom when that ball just avoided Moseby’s glove.

  15. jmills September 26th, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    Crap

  16. jmills September 26th, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    Trish, nice to see you and the others as always – hopefully my Jays can spread some good cheer.

  17. blake September 26th, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    “Ichiro is our X-factor.”

    He really makes a huge difference when plays like he has….

    Bo,

    Today was nice to see for sure..

  18. jmills September 26th, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    Compass – many of Jimi’s best works were captured outside of the regular studio sessions ( your son can easily get them )- countless precious works. He was sadly ripped my management and they would have had him on the hamster wheel forever.

  19. CountryClub September 26th, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    The O’s suddenly need to worry about even making the playoffs. Only 2 up on Angels and 3 on Rays for WC.

  20. jmills September 26th, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    Country, you’re right as the O’s are very much on the verge – great season with maybe nothing to show for it – been there done it and I’m sure our friend Compass would concur.

  21. jmills September 26th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    Despite losing to K.C., after my Jays being up 3-1 in ’85 – my heart warms for Dick Howser and his family.

  22. Shame Spencer September 26th, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    “Ichiro is our X-factor.”

    I feel like Simon would pick Jeter.. Demi Lavato and Britney seem like Cano girls.. LA would go with Ichi though. LA is savvy like that.

  23. jmills September 26th, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    Shame Spencer, hi. Excuse my ignorance – I have know idea what you are talking about! :) I guess I am sadly out of it.

  24. jmills September 26th, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    ” Know ” should ” no ” when trying to type fast on a blackberry – now I really am stupid :)

  25. Shame Spencer September 26th, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    I’m referencing the X-Factor judges, jmills :) I get to enjoy Britney Spears utter 3 words in the span of a 2 hour episode lol.

  26. Pat M. September 26th, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Cespedes is such a talent….5 tool talent, and we haven’t heard the last of him …….

  27. jmills September 26th, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    Shame,….poor Britney.

    I thought that was who you talking about, but I was afraid to jump to any conclusions. :)

  28. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    Aaron Cibia is quite a player! I’m also impressed with Anthony Ghost.

    :D

    (I know it’s Arencibia and Gose, btw)

  29. Shame Spencer September 26th, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    Pat M. September 26th, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Cespedes is such a talent….5 tool talent, and we haven’t heard the last of him …….

    ————–

    Every time we’ve played against the A’s he’s made a mark on each game.. from both sides of the ball. Wish we would have made a play for him.

  30. blake September 26th, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    “Cespedes is such a talent….5 tool talent, and we haven’t heard the last of him ……”

    we didn’t need him….we have Jonesy

  31. blake September 26th, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    Everybody made fun of those Cespedes videos…..but before he signed I posted several times that he does things in those videos that only a handful of humans on this planet can do….there aren’t many guys that can hit 450 opo homers and run and throw like that…..it was disappointing that they didn’t go after him harder because the A’s got a bargain for a really talented guy at prime age…..yea it was a risk….but sometimes risks pay off

  32. jmills September 26th, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    Trish, ha, ha! Sometime even I’ll get the spelling thing right!!!!

    :)

  33. NYY fan in NH September 26th, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    Hamilton’s having a rough night in CF.. Oaklands taking it to Texas so far.

  34. blake September 26th, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    Yanks can catch Texas for the #1 seed….hopefully they do. Texas has to play the Angels again too.

  35. blake September 26th, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    If Oakland wins tonight then Texas will be 1 game ahead of the Yanks for best record. Yanks have 4 games with Toronto and 3 with Boston….Texas has 3 with the Angels and then 5 more with Oakland counting today…..

  36. Shame Spencer September 26th, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    @Buster_ESPN

    Manny Machado was born 10 months after Jim Thome made his major-league debut. They have both homered in the 5th, to give BAL a 3-2 lead.

  37. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    Respect for Jim Thome

    There have only been two players who ever gave me trepidation any time they came to the plate against the Yankees – and I’m on record about both – Vernon Wells and Jim Thome.

    Though neither is anywhere near his prime, both can still give that ball a ride.

  38. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    Oh drat.

    It’s not over, but Villanueva seemed to fold after he gave up that homer to Thome.

  39. umbrelladoc September 26th, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    The 1 seed plays the wild card, which will be a better team than whomever comes out of the Central. Plus the 1 seed will have to wait to travel to the winner of the WC.

  40. umbrelladoc September 26th, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    Piffle. Split from Jays was all we could have reasonably hoped for, but we should have won yesterday.

  41. blake September 26th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    “The 1 seed plays the wild card, which will be a better team than whomever comes out of the Central. Plus the 1 seed will have to wait to travel to the winner of the WC.”

    The Tigers will probably come out of the central and I’d rather play the WC after they’ve already burned one of their best pitchers and not have to face Verlander and Scherzer and Miggy and Prince……plus if we make it to the ALCS and face Texas the home field against them would be crucial

  42. mick September 26th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    TheDA53 profile

    TheDA53 Sitting next to @CDickerson_PFTP on the bus as he is trending! I feel cool
    ==================================
    These are grown men?

  43. jacksquat September 26th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    Warning Track Power September 26th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
    For those wondering why Robertson was warming up in an 8-2 game, here’s Joe Girardi’s thought process:

    I am so surprised that Robertson was up. Give the guy and his right arm a break already.
    The lead is 6 runs, not less than 3.
    Just ridiculous and being overly cautious.
    I don’t like that one bit.

    This is what you get when the pedal is constantly to the metal like some here want.

  44. mick September 26th, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    I do not like the Tigers in the 1st round…

  45. umbrelladoc September 26th, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    Blake, others, good point.

  46. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    Hmmm. So the Yanks wanted Gardner back (happy about that since he has grown as a player looking very good in the outfield as well as at the plate and was admittedly the speed on the bases) and both Swisher and Granderson were under contract.

    Any idea where the Yankees were going to stick Cepedes, or was he going to be a DH (chuckle) for a year? Who was going to be dumped to get Cespedes, if he was going to be an outfielder for the Yanks?

    Just curious because lots of times I see posters talking about wanting to get or retain a certain player despite the fact there is no room for the player on the team. Realistically, how was Cespedes going to be fit into the roster – or does your thinking about getting him end at actually getting him, with it becoming the Yankees problem to figure it out?

    Please stay with realistic scenarios, if you give one. And I understand that there are scenarios that posters consider to be both workable and realistic, even if it would appear not to make any sense in terms of the way the Yankees do business or make sense in terms of taking the risk to move out a relatively solid player to make room for a potential superstar.

  47. Jerkface September 26th, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    Hmmm. So the Yanks wanted Gardner back (happy about that since he has grown as a player looking very good in the outfield as well as at the plate and was admittedly the speed on the bases) and both Swisher and Granderson were under contract.

    Any idea where the Yankees were going to stick Cepedes, or was he going to be a DH (chuckle) for a year? Who was going to be dumped to get Cespedes, if he was going to be an outfielder for the Yanks?

    Swisher is only under contract for this season. So you platoon Gardner/Swisher/Cespedes. It provides a scenario where you can actually rotate the DH, because the players who would be rotating through it (granderson, swisher, tex, cespedes) are all good hitters. It puts a great player as versatile bench guy (gardner) and offers premium defense if you want it (gardner-granderson-cespedes). Then depending on how you want to do the offseason, you can either trade Gardner and slide Cespedes to left or let Swisher walk.

    Considering they went into this season with the idea that Raul Ibanez & Andruw Jones were going to get moderate time in the OF at Gardner’s expense I don’t see why you’d find it far fetched that Cespedes could get playing time.

  48. umbrelladoc September 26th, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    Trisha – Swisher DHs, and you don’t need Jones and Ibanez. If you want to give ARod and Jeter a day at DH, you can sit Gardner or Granderson against a lefty and move Swisher to the OF.

  49. mick September 26th, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    Its called competition. Sometimes you get talent for talent’s sake and worry about fitting the pieces together later. If they knew Cespedes was this good they should have gone for him and worried about Gardner later. As it was he would have been the perfect replacement for him.

  50. mick September 26th, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    As you can’t have enough pitching, you can’t have enough talent.
    This is a belief the Yanks always have had till recently.

  51. Pat M. September 26th, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    Blake…..I was told back in January that Cespedes was a franchise type talent and one evaluator who was there when he worked out for the Angels………Bo Jackson type skills…….This info recieved very little support here and was met with ridicule at the notion that he reminded this particular long time scout of Bo ……..Even my pal CB wasn’t moved by it and that The Bombers pass and just plug in Jesus Montero as the right handed power stick…………Blake, you were right,The Yanks should have signed the Cuban Outfielders

  52. Shame Spencer September 26th, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    With 162 games per season, it’s pretty easy to rotate 4 OFers and have them all get plenty of playing time. This year we rotated Granderson, Ichiro, Ibanez, Jones, and Swisher. …And Gardner, Dickerson for short periods. We wouldn’t have needed to acquire Ichiro this year if we had signed Cespedes. Or been forced to play Jones/Ibanez in the field so often.

  53. mick September 26th, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    If they knew Cespedes was this good they should have gone for him and worried about Gardner later.
    =========================
    This is the real question:
    Did the Yanks know he was this good?

  54. Jerkface September 26th, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    Not to mention that Cespedes, like Darvish, is a major money saving move if you’re looking at a 2014 budget.

    Its why I didn’t get why they didn’t go after all 3 (Soler, Cespedes, Darvish).

  55. Shame Spencer September 26th, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    mick September 26th, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    Its called competition. Sometimes you get talent for talent’s sake and worry about fitting the pieces together later.

    ———–

    Agree with this. This is the same team that got the best player in baseball and put him at a new position. Between injuries and the length of the season, who should be out there usually shakes itself out. Not to mention that it could open the possibility of a trade if you do find you have excess talent you can’t use as much as you’d like.

  56. mick September 26th, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    We wouldn’t have needed to acquire Ichiro this year if we had signed Cespedes.
    ==============================================
    Ichiro would still have been needed with Tex going down.
    Ichiro is the typical missing piece the Yanks pick up for the stretch drive a la David Justice and others.

  57. mick September 26th, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    Let’s face it. George, no matter what his faults were, was the driving force for dynamic new talent, cost not being a factor.

  58. Andymelillo September 26th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    Let’s get rid of Arod or retire fan club

  59. mick September 26th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    George was a fan/businessman.
    I cheered the day he was ousted but realize he brought a dynamic that we no longer have.

  60. blake September 26th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    “Even my pal CB wasn’t moved by it and that The Bombers pass and just plug in Jesus Montero as the right handed power stick”

    well they chose to go with neither.

    “Its why I didn’t get why they didn’t go after all 3 (Soler, Cespedes, Darvish).”

    Agree….no reason they didn’t at least get one

  61. jmills September 26th, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    Trish, you certainly have an erudite mind as do the other individuals here that I have been fortunate to meet.

    Thanks, people !

    :)

  62. Jerkface September 26th, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    If the Yankees had signed Darvish & Cespedes we’d be like “Wow this team has 2 huge, dynamic players in their prime for the next 4+ seasons!’

  63. mick September 26th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    Why didn’t they sign anybody?
    Lack of belief and knowledge or just too cheap?

  64. Jerkface September 26th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    Cheap on Darvish, Non-existant or cheap on Cespedes, and I guess cheap on Soler because they got out bid by the Cubs.

  65. mick September 26th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    Funny/sad thing is if they fall short again for lack of a bat will they repeat the same mistake again if the opportunity presents itself.

  66. mick September 26th, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    I have always questioned their scouting more than I questioned Cashman.

  67. Pat M. September 26th, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    fACE……As you well know and it’s well documented that I never once questioned Darvish’s talent, my issue was the 50 million dollars to acquire him and the 50 million to pay him……..That being said, he has top of the rotation typw talent now that Maddox ( Greg ) has convinced to toss away half of his other novality pitches……

  68. Shame Spencer September 26th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    I understand the arguments against Darvish more in the sense that I could see them not wanting to spend the extra money on the posting fee.. since it seems like around the same amount they’d be paying in luxury tax in 2014 if they go over the threshold.

    But Cespedes cost what?? Like $36 mil and even though it was all on the books, so to speak, it’d be spread over 4 years.

  69. Nick in SF September 26th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    Well, they probably did have reasons not to go after all of them.

    They didn’t just shrug and say “whatevs!” when they talked about each of those players. Did they?

  70. mick September 26th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    There is an interesting take on scouting in the new Clint Eastwood movie.

  71. blake September 26th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    “If the Yankees had signed Darvish & Cespedes we’d be like “Wow this team has 2 huge, dynamic players in their prime for the next 4+ seasons!’”

    potentially 3 because they wouldn’t have traded Montero…..I know he didn’t hit this year….but I’d really like to have those 3 going forward.

  72. Against All Odds September 26th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Jerkface September 26th, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    If the Yankees had signed Darvish & Cespedes we’d be like “Wow this team has 2 huge, dynamic players in their prime for the next 4+ seasons

    —————

    They would have been set up so well moving forward. Adding Ces to Cano and then maybe add another solid piece a yr later. Not a star but an above average player approaching or in his prime

  73. Jerkface September 26th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    fACE……As you well know and it’s well documented that I never once questioned Darvish’s talent, my issue was the 50 million dollars to acquire him and the 50 million to pay him……..That being said, he has top of the rotation typw talent now that Maddox ( Greg ) has convinced to toss away half of his other novality pitches……

    He didn’t really drop ‘half his pitches’ though. He still has like 9 grips he uses in a game, was a neat picture of it in one of the texas papers or maybe USA Today. 4 seam 2 seam change slider frisbee slider curve slow curve cutter shuuto.

  74. Shame Spencer September 26th, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    Nick in SF September 26th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    Well, they probably did have reasons not to go after all of them.

    They didn’t just shrug and say “whatevs!” when they talked about each of those players. Did they?

    ————–

    I have more trouble understanding why they didn’t go for just one of them.. Cespedes or Soler, for me. Because there was no posting fee involved and our OF is where we will have gaps in talent.

  75. blake September 26th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    “They didn’t just shrug and say “whatevs!” when they talked about each of those players. Did they?”

    they bid an amount for Darvish that they new wouldn’t come close to winning.

  76. mick September 26th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    We don’t know what their reasoning was for passing we can only surmise.
    Just as we didn’t know the behind the scenes reason they traded Montero.(if there indeed were any, which I surmise there were.)

  77. Jerkface September 26th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    The 50 million dollar posting fee is charity. It goes to benefit their sister league & can be offset by additional overseas advertising, fan excitement, and winning. And of course they could recoup it in 1 year in 2014 if they got under the luxury tax.

  78. Shame Spencer September 26th, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    Or I should perhaps word it: ‘projectable gaps in talent’

    …I don’t think projectable is a word… but you know what I mean. They know we don’t have any young OFers and that it’ll be a couple years until the guys we do have mature. They also know Swish and Grandy have contracts up soon and they’re trying to stick to a budget. Those guys just seemed like good risks.

  79. Against All Odds September 26th, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    potentially 3 because they wouldn’t have traded Montero…..I know he didn’t hit this year….but I’d really like to have those 3 going forward

    —————

    Talk about an infusion of youth. :(

    Who knows maybe their plan will work out in the end.

  80. Nick in SF September 26th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    “they bid an amount for Darvish that they new wouldn’t come close to winning.”

    This means they didn’t have a reason? How?

  81. blake September 26th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    “Who knows maybe their plan will work out in the end.”

    the sign old stop gaps and hope the kids in A ball pan out plan ;)

  82. mick September 26th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    maybe Hal needs to hire some new creative accountants to tell him how to not spend his money but more importantly how to spend it.

  83. Jerkface September 26th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Their reasons were a mixture of cheapness & fear.

  84. Nick in SF September 26th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    “The 50 million dollar posting fee is charity.”

    Hal gave at the office.

    (is that how it’s done?)

  85. blake September 26th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    “This means they didn’t have a reason? How?”

    oh it means they had a reason….I was just saying I don’t think they were serious about him….because of the money. They chose to trade for Pineda because he makes the league min.

  86. Shame Spencer September 26th, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    JF – I understand it lol…I don’t really care so much if the Yankees spend $50 mil and I’d encourage them to do so! But if they’re aiming to save money.. I don’t expect them to put a bid that high. To me, the other guys.. there’s really no excuse.

  87. Pat M. September 26th, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    Face….I’m looking forward to talking to guys who faced him and played with him this off season……I also think the Rangers are handling him quite well…….

  88. Nick in SF September 26th, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Darvish is only going to get better. This year he introduced his Japanese pitches, but next year he’s going to debut his Iranian pitches.

    The league has no answer for the Spinning Centrifuge. :shock:

  89. LGY September 26th, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    George was likely the driving force behind the previous big name international signings like Matsui.

    I imagine now, Cashman would really have to put himself out there to get Hal to approve signing an unproven international talent.

    With how secure Cashman’s job is with Hal at the helm it’s likely not worth it to him to take that kind of risk.

  90. mick September 26th, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Their reasons were a mixture of cheapness & fear.
    ====================
    Ah, the stench of it…frugality.

  91. Jerkface September 26th, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Nick,

    One of his pitches will be impossible to hit because its buried under 200 ft of concrete by the time it gets to the plate.

  92. mick September 26th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    With how secure Cashman’s job is with Hal at the helm it’s likely not worth it to him to take that kind of risk.
    ==============
    Do you think Cash cares more about his job security or the Yankees winning?

  93. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    “If they knew Cespedes was this good ”

    Right.

  94. Against All Odds September 26th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    blake September 26th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    “Who knows maybe their plan will work out in the end.”

    the sign old stop gaps and hope the kids in A ball pan out plan

    ————–

    Yea that’s it the cross your fingers if everything works plan. Forget the fact that the Bs have taken a step back. Still a believer in Manny though.

  95. blake September 26th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    The Yankees have been making money based moves for awhile…..the 2 prime examples are trading for Granderson instead of signing Matt Holliday and trading for Pineda instead of signing Yu Darvish.

    this is all with hindsight knowledge…..but the Yankees could theoretically have Matt Holliday, Austin Jackson, Ian Kennedy, Jesus Montero, and Yu Darvish on their roster now instead of Granderson and Pineda.

    Yea the former would be a little more expensive for just those players….but they’d be a better team and also they would need as much going forward most likely.

  96. Shame Spencer September 26th, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    I wish there was an MLB pitcher from Italy that threw a pitch called the meatball.

  97. mick September 26th, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    George would have said the luxury tax be damned and therein is your answer to all questions.

  98. blake September 26th, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    wouldn’t need as much

  99. blake September 26th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    moral of the story….it’s almost never as good to trade quality players for what you need as it is to just buy them for just money.

  100. jacksquat September 26th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    And one from Israel that threw a pitch called The Matzah Ball.

  101. Jerkface September 26th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    I mentioned this late night once, but check out what Norichika Aoki is doing in the OF for the Brewers. For less than 6 million dollars total contract+posting fee he is putting up an OBP and AVG heavy .285 .352 .427 .779 line. OPS+ of 107 with an ability to play all 3 OF positions.

    He is a lefty so imagine what could have been done in NYS. That is a bargain OFer.

  102. bruceb September 26th, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    An apology to Tabbert and a cap tip to the As. Watching them play us and then Texas, they’re a lot better offensively than I thought they were. And they’re certainly not intimidated playing the so-called stronger teams.

  103. LGY September 26th, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    Do you think Cash cares more about his job security or the Yankees winning?

    ———-

    At this stage of his life and given his recent marital issues, probably safe to assume his job security

  104. mick September 26th, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    i wonder how heavily cespedes was scouted.
    is there a difference between talent evaluators and scouts?

  105. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    I can see why they would be gun shy about posting a fee for a Japanese pitcher – if indeed they were.

    They’ve gotten burned by scouting gems (Contreras) as well as sure bets (Pavano). Maybe they believe in the bird in the hand theory of playing.

    And then, you never know how someone is going to play in the Bronx.

    Those are some of my guesses. No way to know for sure.

  106. Shame Spencer September 26th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    And an Australian that throws one called the Boomerang.

  107. austinmac September 26th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    They didn’t sign any of those players because of money. It is the same reason they weren’t going to get a player with a big salary at the deadline. The same will likely be true this off season. Why do I say that? Cashman says every move must be made with cost consideration.

    I completely agree those internationals are actually good investments for their true cost.

  108. mick September 26th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    it’s almost never as good to trade quality players for what you need as it is to just buy them for just money.
    =================
    usually they are old like ichiro or young like pineda/montero

  109. Shame Spencer September 26th, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    JF – Pretty crazy… those are exactly the type of players the Yankees might like to trade for.

  110. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    “i wonder how heavily cespedes was scouted.
    is there a difference between talent evaluators and scouts?”

    Good question. Weren’t Igawa and Contreras both heavily scouted?

  111. mick September 26th, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    They’ve gotten burned by scouting gems (Contreras) as well as sure bets (Pavano). Maybe they believe in the bird in the hand theory of playing.
    ==================
    dont forget igawa..

  112. mick September 26th, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    irabu was also a crap shoot, RIP…

  113. LGY September 26th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Good question. Weren’t Igawa and Contreras both heavily scouted?

    ——

    LOL

  114. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    “They didn’t sign any of those players because of money. It is the same reason they weren’t going to get a player with a big salary at the deadline. The same will likely be true this off season.”

    Well at least we know. Forewarned is forearmed. Why do I say that? Because it’s something my mother always used to say.

    :)

  115. Shame Spencer September 26th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    “i wonder how heavily cespedes was scouted.
    is there a difference between talent evaluators and scouts?”

    Good question. Weren’t Igawa and Contreras both heavily scouted?
    ———-

    I’d like to think we’d have different scouts based on the results…. I’d like to think.

  116. Jerkface September 26th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    Igawa was not heavily scouted. Famously when Igawa first sat down with Cash & company they asked what his pitches were.

  117. Shame Spencer September 26th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    I thought the first time Cash saw Igawa was when he got here lol.. could be wrong, but it sounds so right.

  118. Nick in SF September 26th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Igawa was hanging around the Sunglass Hut at the Narita Airport after they missed out on Daisuke, so they made an offer.

  119. Shame Spencer September 26th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    Jerkface September 26th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    Igawa was not heavily scouted. Famously when Igawa first sat down with Cash & company they asked what his pitches were.

    —————-

    THAT’S what it was… lmao.. to be a fly on the wall…

  120. mick September 26th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    How much does scouting come into play on international stars?
    I mean, everybody knows who they are, they are not diamonds in the rough like the peanut vendor in Trouble With The Curve…

  121. Jerkface September 26th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    Contreras by virtue of being Cuban could not be heavily scouted, because of how hard it is to see Cuban players. Cespedes was not heavily scouted, but what he did get was a lot of showcases. Show cases can tell you about a players raw ability but not much about their actual game.

    From his show cases you could give Cespedes 4 tools, but you can’t give him hit tool until you see him hit.

  122. Shame Spencer September 26th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    Nick in SF September 26th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Igawa was hanging around the Sunglass Hut at the Narita Airport after they missed out on Daisuke, so they made an offer.

    ————-

    Just like that movie The Terminal..

  123. Jerkface September 26th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    Now Darvish SHOULD have been heavily scouted. The GM of the Rangers Daniels saw him in person like 12 times last season. And they had multiple scouts at every one of his starts. The Yankees scouted him, but maybe not that heavily.

    They would have lots of video on him though. And you know… just looking at him you’d see a guy that would have major league success so I dunno maybe they were watching Morning Musume videos instead.

  124. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    Good thing the Yankees appear poised to make the postseason. There could have been a lot of criticism about the Yankees not going after any of those before-named players if the Yanks didn’t make the postseason.

    I didn’t realize that Darvish is as old as he is, nor Cespedes. Not that 26 is old. But I thought they were youngsters a la Soler.

  125. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    I remember reading scouting reports on Igawa that were extremely favorable. I mean I read them on the internet. If I was able to read them, I’m sure the Yankees had access to the same things.

  126. blake September 26th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    “From his show cases you could give Cespedes 4 tools, but you can’t give him hit tool until you see him hit.”

    correct….and the hit tool is the most important….so he was a risk but the other tools on those videos jumped out at you. The A’s took the gamble and it has paid off so far….

  127. Jerkface September 26th, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    I remember reading scouting reports on Igawa that were extremely favorable. I mean I read them on the internet. If I was able to read them, I’m sure the Yankees had access to the same things.

    Were you reading his blog? The most exciting thing to come out of his posting was the list of 101 nerdy things he did/loves. The major assessment of him was as a potential back end guy. They bid 20+ million on a 5th starter type. Huge miscue by the organization because got burned by the Red Sox.

  128. Nick in SF September 26th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    Igawa’s wikipedia page was glowing. :arrow:

  129. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    Good for the A’s. They deserve some good luck.

  130. Shame Spencer September 26th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    Signing on of the outfielders could have given Pat M. and Nick better chances of winning their bets. Even though we appear to be making the playoffs, we should still consider our friends good fortune and hope we aren’t merely satisfied by squeaking in, right trisha ;)

    We’re just bored because there was no baseball tonight.

  131. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    No, not his blog. Some scouting report on the internet.

  132. Against All Odds September 26th, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    What pitches do you throw? Smh did they even knew what hand he threw with

  133. mick September 26th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    Chances are the same ppl who gave us Igawa are still with the Yanks or have not been replaced with anyone who knows what they are doing…that could also explain their lack of international success…for lack of trying.

  134. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    Shame, since we don’t know exactly how we’re going in, I can’t answer that question. But I can tell you that not being a member of Team Greedy means that however we’re there, I’m grateful we’re there.

    And since envy is one of the seven deadly sins, (geeze, I forgot that greed is also!) I don’t pay any attention to our friends good furtune, other than to be happy for them. I’m motivated by faith in the team that we have, not fear of other teams.

    Thank you!

    :)

  135. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    “We’re just bored because there was no baseball tonight.”

    I hear ya. That’s why I thought about Cespedes and the Ys outfield. I probably wouldn’t have otherwise.

    :D

  136. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    The O’s have tomorrow off. I hope we’re able to take tomorrow’s game. At least we can gain some ground that way.

    Have a good night all. Think I’ll watch some non-baseball content telly!

  137. mick September 26th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    trish, good job in stimulating the blog that many fear is dying again…
    g’nite…

  138. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    mick – this blog is alive and well. Look at last night’s posts. It’s all good!

  139. mick September 26th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    glad to hear that i was worried that all of the baseball intelligencia had gone…

  140. austinmac September 26th, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    Igawa was inconsistent and sent to the minors at one point in Japan. Darvish throws 95 and Igawa 90. Their abilities should not have been confused. Despite that, I do think that experience and likely the Contreras experience have made them gun shy.

    Risks must be taken. I said at the time in supporting Darvish and Cespedes that Darvish,was the more certainty due to scouting and league comparability. Cespedes seemed to have abilities, while the hit tool was an unknown, that the Yankees can’t acquire at that age.

    It was disappointing then and even moreso after watching them. Cespedes is simply scary in ability.

  141. austinmac September 26th, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    As one who prefers to express the good side of things, I like to look upon envy as mere admiration and greed as simply desire for betterment. I feel better about myself. I envy many young players and I want Yankee money to be used to get some to improve the team.


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