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Postgame notes: Last we’ve seen of Nova?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Sep 27, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

A year ago, Ivan Nova was the Yankees No. 2 starter in the playoffs. Today, it’s not certain he’ll make the postseason roster, much less the postseason rotation. If he makes another start this season it would come in the next-to-last game of the year, but Joe Girardi’s commitment to Nova making that start was lukewarm at best.

“I can’t think about that,” Girardi said. “I wish I could worry about that now, but I can’t.”

Can’t worry about that because there’s a lot to worry about between now and then. The Yankees lead is back down to one game. If they’d won, it would have been two games for the first time since September 2. Nova and the Yankees couldn’t beat a last-place team, and now they’re reeling again. When a division race is this tight, the feeling really can change that quickly.

“Especially right now, the position that we’re in, I don’t feel good about it,” Nova said. “We want to win every day, and I’m not doing that. … I think I’m doing everything possible. I’m watching my videos, working really hard between starts, throwing my bullpens the way I want to throw them. I’m working physically and mentally, I’m just not getting the results that I want.”

Everyone seemed to agree that Nova had a great curveball today — “Better than I’ve ever seen it,” Russell Martin said — but there was also no argument that Nova has a been awful since the All-Star break. He had that one strong start when he came back from the shoulder injury, but his past two have been ugly. Girardi had said this afternoon that tonight was an important game — important for the Yankees, important for Nova — but the result was a letdown for everyone.

“That’s why you’re here, why you play the whole year, to be in the postseason,” Nova said. “… I want to be on the roster. I want to help the team to win games in any position. I just want to be there.”

The team has to get there first.

• Goes without saying that this loss wasn’t strictly on Nova’s shoulders. The Yankees were shutout and held to only five hits, all of which came from either Russell Martin or Robinson Cano. “That’s the first time we’ve seen (Brandon Morrow) all year,” Nick Swisher said. “He’s a guy who throws super hard, you know, 97, 98. Tonight he really felt like he wasn’t throwing like that. He was throwing a lot more offspeed pitches, working both sides of the plate, changing speeds.”

• Girardi’s take on the offense: “I didn’t see us chase a ton of pitches, we just didn’t get any hits tonight.”

• If there’s a bright side, it’s Cano, who looks like his bat is starting to show some life again. Of course, that doesn’t mean a whole lot on a night like this.

• Of course, can’t mention Cano without mentioning him getting doubled off at first base in the fourth inning after Anthony Gose made a terrific catch at the wall. “He probably got a little bit too far, but it’s a great play by Gose,” Girardi said. “Robbie was maybe a little aggressive, but you don’t want our guys being passive, and he made a great play.”

• Alex Rodriguez drew a walk and was hit by a pitch. Girardi said he expects Rodriguez to play third base tomorrow. “We’ll see,” Rodriguez said. “We’ll see how this thing wakes up and talk to Joe tomorrow.”

• Maybe he was just backing his pitcher, but Martin was asked three times about Nova’s start and he kept saying that it wasn’t all that bad. “It wasn’t a great performance,” Martin said. “But I liked his stuff. We didn’t get the result we wanted, but I think he’s going to be able to compete. I’m not really worried about him, seeing that curveball. The only thing you have to eliminate right there is making mistakes with his slider. For me, I think if he just tries not to throw the slider for a strike, he’ll be better off. That’s it. It’s a simple adjustment.”

• Nova on his stuff tonight: “The curveball was good the whole night. Encarnacion got two hits with the slider, I threw a fastball that stayed up and he’s a good breaking ball hitter. I know he can hit the curveball, so I wanted to go with the slider and do something else. Unfortunately I couldn’t get him out,.”

• The Lawrie home run came on a fastball. “I don’t think it was a strike. He just left a fastball up and Lawrie jumped all over it. I think it was above the zone, but he got to it, got the barrel to it, and got it out.”

• I honestly didn’t think Aardsma looked too bad tonight. He gave up the home run, and his velocity wasn’t quite as high as it has been in the past, but for a guy who hadn’t pitched in the big leagues in two years, I thought he was fine. More or less what I expected. Clearly not 100 percent, but not a total reclamation project either.

• Blown chance to gain a half game in the standings without watching the scoreboard? “I just think the result’s frustrating,” Martin said. “It doesn’t really matter what the outcome is because of what other teams are doing. I’m not really concerned about other teams. I’m just concerned with our team.”

• Final word goes to Rodriguez: “We want to win every game, but you look at a game like we lost a couple of nights ago, obviously that’s a lot more frustrating when we feel we have a stranglehold on that game and kind of lost it late. Today, you kind of turn the page and come back tomorrow and try to win a game.”

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75 Responses to “Postgame notes: Last we’ve seen of Nova?”

  1. Against All Odds September 27th, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    Against All Odds September 27th, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    A second basemen that hits like he hits is expendable????? Aside from Robbie the last position players this organization developed was Jeter, Po, and Bernie. No GM is going to give you anything substantial for past his prime Arod and Cano a yr away from FA.

  2. jacksquat September 27th, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    Cano is by far the best player on the team and top 5 in the AL.

    You need to get a ton back to trade him.

  3. G. Love September 27th, 2012 at 11:41 pm

    Arod’s power looks like it’s gone again. He hit a pitch in the 5th or 6th that 3 years ago would’ve gone 450 feet. Tonight it was a can of corn to Left Center. His power is streaky now and it comes and goes. It’s not the pitches he’s hitting, it’s the power he’s hitting some of them with.

    As for Nova, that’s it for him. They can’t start him again and any post season roster spot is probably gone. Would you put in the bullpen for the post season?

    I’m praying it’s just a sophomore slump with him because he is barely the pitcher he was last season. He was great in the month of June and otherwise has been abysmal.

    I have no idea who starts on Tuesday, but if it’s a game we need and by all appearances it will be a game we need, Nova should not be sent out there again.

    That slider he threw to Encarnacion to score 2 runs was pure garbage. You can’t serve it up to them like that with your team in a penant race.

  4. Against All Odds September 27th, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    You need to get a ton back to trade him.

    —————

    Exactly and why would any GM give up a ton for a yr of Cano

  5. jmills September 27th, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    I’ll take Cano! Wonderful player!!!

  6. fantasygame101 September 27th, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    important game? that is why nix is starting over chavez? aardsma should have been pitching with the 6 run lead against the twins and not on this game.

  7. G. Love September 27th, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    They’re not trading Cano. They will probably let him set his market in free agency and could lose him, but they won’t trade him.

    You all think Cashman will have to answer for this season? If they make the playoffs in any form, they all pop champagne and pat each other on the back. Making the playoffs gives Cashman and the owners so much coverage for the mistakes they’ve made the past few seasons.

    Even if they only make the wild card game, they’ll put the same offense out there minus Swisher and a few thrifty additions and call it a day.

    Let’s hope they find enough change in the couch to bring back Ichiro.

  8. umbrelladoc September 27th, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    Cano is slumping now, but Cano is not the problem. The problem is Arod, Tex, Swisher and Granderson. The first two stopped hitting for average and make a lot money (take up our Hal cap space) and Swisher and Granderson are our young low-contact guys.

  9. LGY September 27th, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    Final word goes to Rodriguez: “We want to win every game, but you look at a game like we lost a couple of nights ago, obviously that’s a lot more frustrating when we feel we have a stranglehold on that game and kind of lost it late. Today, you kind of turn the page and come back tomorrow and try to win a game.”

    —–

    Yep, this was just a normal loss that you chalk up to the 162 game season and move on quickly.

    Game 2 of Minnesota series that Girardi badly screwed up is the tough one to swallow.

  10. jmills September 27th, 2012 at 11:57 pm

    Morrow had a great start – just the way it goes

  11. G. Love September 27th, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    umbrelladoc,

    Spot on. Arod is powerless. Tex is out and when he’s in isn’t the same hitter he was before he became a Yankee and Swisher & Granderson can only hit fastballs if the opposing pitcher is dumb enough to throw them one.

    If I was a manager, I would tell my pitcher if they threw Swisher a fastball they’d have to come out of the game. That’s the game plan to beat him. Throw anything other than a fastball. I love Swisher’s post game quotes about being surprised Morrow threw him off speed pitches. Really Nick? Really? You can’t hit them. That’s why they throw you them.

    That said, when Ichiro and Jeter are getting on they score runs. They can win a title with this offense since none of the offenses they’re facing are the ’27 Yankees.

  12. umbrelladoc September 27th, 2012 at 11:59 pm

    LGY – agreed Morrow has given up 4 runs total in his 9 wins. When he’s on, he’s on. But that why you have the score more than 2 runs when facing the guy with the 6 ERA.

  13. LGY September 27th, 2012 at 11:59 pm

    Really not thrilled at the increasing likelihood they’ll face the Tigers in round 1.

    They own the tiebreaker with Texas, so hopefully they can catch them. Go Angels! :pukes:

  14. Against All Odds September 28th, 2012 at 12:01 am

    jmills September 27th, 2012 at 11:57 pm

    Morrow had a great start – just the way it goes

    —————-

    Morrow is one of my favorites. Hopefully he can put the health issues behind him.

  15. umbrelladoc September 28th, 2012 at 12:04 am

    Not that we should have kept them, and not that guys like this are easy to find, but they never replaced Damon and Matsui. Those were guys who would give tough ABs even when a guy was dealing like Morrow was.

  16. jmills September 28th, 2012 at 12:04 am

    Against all odds,… How is Collins? ( Great drummer given Brand X and all :) )

    Morrow is special.

  17. G. Love September 28th, 2012 at 12:05 am

    LGY,

    I also hate seeing the Tigers. Fister will eat these guys up with the junk he throws and Verlander is a beast.

    We can’t pick our opponents though. Let’s just win the division. It’s still very easy for us to lose our handle on it before the playoffs start now.

  18. Against All Odds September 28th, 2012 at 12:05 am

    lol

    I would have liked Morrow on the Yankees. The Yankees have their version of morrow but he’s in a different role now.

  19. jmills September 28th, 2012 at 12:10 am

    Against,…. Glad ya’ liked it !!!!

    :)

  20. Against All Odds September 28th, 2012 at 12:17 am

    Yea it was great

  21. Locke September 28th, 2012 at 12:39 am

    We are still a game in front of the Os with only two easy series to go. Nobody expected to win tonight and frankly I’d rather Nova stink it up now rather than in the playoffs.

    Even with its flaws this team is one of the best teams in baseball, and I’m loving this playoff race.

    From the comments on here you’d think we were on a Astros blog. Cheer up Yankees fans we’ll win tonight. :)

  22. Barry September 28th, 2012 at 12:43 am

    Swisher is better than advertised in some of the comments. Granderson inexplicable. Tex seems sadly in some decline but more and better than most first-basemen. Arod is a big issue, and I like him. But, Hank did the deal after the opting out. This is not on Cashman, but ownership. Arod at he end of his initial contract could have been an elder statemen making a lot of money but not in perpetuity as it now appears. And, I predict in two years a significant managerial change. Possibly one that plays and manages.

  23. tucker September 28th, 2012 at 12:43 am

    The Rays are only two games out of the wild card. They have a chance. A week ago, I never would have believed it. They have won 8 straight.

  24. jacksquat September 28th, 2012 at 1:01 am

    I think putting Nova on the front page of ESPN with the title “Just Plain Awful” is a bit overboard.

  25. jacksquat September 28th, 2012 at 1:06 am

    I’d almost prefer ditching the division and playing the one game wildcard game with Pettitte on the mound, then (hopefully) face Texas starting with 2 games at home and CC in game 1, rather than facing Detroit. I agree with others that’s a bad matchup in a 5 game series.

  26. Cashmoney September 28th, 2012 at 1:10 am

    Nova’s post all star era is 6.99 to go with 1.6 whip… I say that’s pretty **(*ing awful. But as we were… though he wasn’t awful tonight.

  27. ron September 28th, 2012 at 1:31 am

    Nova simply can’t be trusted in a meaningfull game right now.

    cc
    kuroda
    pettitte
    hughes

    Then i’d go with phelps in a game 5 if needed.
    Nova should not even be on the ps roster.

  28. Nick in SF September 28th, 2012 at 1:47 am

    CC can pitch in a game 5.

  29. briang September 28th, 2012 at 1:54 am

    i know two home runs suggests otherwise but nova wasn’t so bad tonight. i’m not giving up on this dude at all. he doesn’t need a play off start unless someone is injured but i think he’s more than capable of throwing plenty more good games. at times through this rough patch he’s looked really great…and who knows, if they score a little for him tonight his mindset is different and he pitches well. his curveball some is so great and his arm is strong as hell. i like his disposition. i’m not too down on him.

  30. Nick in SF September 28th, 2012 at 2:31 am

    I don’t mean to freak out the early morning crew, but I was just going over my season props in my open bet page and I realized that I wagered on Ivan Nova to win OVER 12.5 games. He happens to have 12 wins at the moment. So, um…. yeah, I might need him to start that Tuesday night game. Sorry about that.

  31. NYY_Girl_Penny September 28th, 2012 at 3:22 am

    People like Swisher because of his energy and seem to be blind by just how bad he is. Anyone half smart team that watches the tapes or reads a scouting report would know to throw him anything offspeed or FB down and away and he’ll get himself out almost every time. Is Swisher a terrible ball player? Not at all, hes a good 6 or 7 spot hitter on any other team thats doesnt have 7 other bats exactly like his.. Fastball hitters that hit for power with below average .. Its our team sans Jeter, Ichiro .. Cano is brutal this year with RISP and he is swinging for the fences more now then ever.. AROD is scary how he has less power than virtually the entire team, his 10 for 45 is unacceptable period.. Period!$ he is a 30 million dollar player thats played like a 8 million dollar playerfor 3 seasons.. The guy needs to go and i like him always have.. But Arod and Tex taking up 55mil per year on this team prevents any flexibility and thats what this team truly needs. Arod, Tex,need to go.. They should be ashamed of themselves for getting the $ they get and know they are hurting the team by both production and clogging the flexibility with their unwarranted and unearned ridiculous salaries the way theyve declined. Makes me so mad Arod got that contract when not a single other team was going near him for more the 6/120 area!!! STUPID! Truth be told tho the yankees budgeting is just as absurd they cry about what they spend.. They could have a 350 million a year lineup and still be profitable!!!!

  32. Nick in SF September 28th, 2012 at 3:41 am

    Does your father know you’re using the internet this late?

  33. rl1856 September 28th, 2012 at 7:35 am

    Phelps will take Nova’s next start (next to last day of season). Phelps will be the #5 starter/ long man during the PS. Nova will be seen cheering in the dugout and will not be allowed near the bullpen during the PS. He will probably not be traded in the off season and will be given a chance to “redeem” himself next year. As others have posted….Girardi’s loss of game 2 in Mn hurts and cost us breathing room with 6 games to go.

  34. Yankee Trader September 28th, 2012 at 7:43 am

    If the Yankees don’t enter the playoffs as the division winner, can we expect some significant changes.

    The average win% of their remaining opponents is .442.

    The only team in all of the majors with an easier road are the Tigers-the average win% of their remaining opponents is .433- 3 @ Twins, 3 @ Royals

  35. blake September 28th, 2012 at 7:49 am

    “Nova and the Yankees couldn’t beat a last-place team, and now they’re reeling again”

    I wouldn’t exactly say they are reeling…they’ve still won 7 of their last 10 and control their own fate.

    If the Yanks can hang on then it’s their own fault as they are playing 6 games against bad teams….while the O’s still have that final series with the Rays (who have won 8 straight and you know are going to be firing on all cylinders in that last series to try and get in).

    I’d love 3 of 4 in Toronto but my guess is a split and then 2 of 3 against Boston gets it done…..the O’s would have to go 5-1 in their final 6 games to tie and that won’t be easy

  36. Yankee Trader September 28th, 2012 at 7:51 am

    The Yankees face a rookie pitcher tonight with little major league experience.

    Jenkins pitched well in first start : Blue Jays pitcher Chad Jenkins was pegged with his second loss of the season during Sunday’s series finale against the Rays. Jenkins, who was making his first career start, allowed just one run two hits over five innings in the 3-0 defeat. The lone run he surrendered came in the first inning on a solo home run off the bat of B.J. Upton. Jenkins was pulled after throwing 66 pitches and finished with four strikeouts and one walk, while falling to 0-2 on the year.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/p.....ad-jenkins

  37. blake September 28th, 2012 at 7:52 am

    I know many have disagreed with this but if they plan to let Phelps make Nova’s next start then I would go ahead and put Nova in the pen and see how he looks out there.

    Nova has good stuff and he can strike guys out……his issue often is that he starts leaving pitches in bad spots in the 3rd or 4th inning and beyond…..as a short reliever he potentially could be very good IMO….better than Lowe or Eppley anyway.

    Struggling starters often make good relievers…..the Orioles have done it and its really lengthened and strengthened their bullpen…..they should at least give him a look there.

  38. austinmac September 28th, 2012 at 7:54 am

    Their are no easy series for this team. They just don’t score enough. They have too many holes in the lineup, including AROD who looks powerless at the plate.

  39. blake September 28th, 2012 at 7:55 am

    Tonight is a must win for the Yanks…..Kuroda on the hill vs a rookie….win and then hope for a little help from the Socks.

  40. MaineYankee September 28th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    Yankee Trader September 28th, 2012 at 7:43 am
    If the Yankees don’t enter the playoffs as the division winner, can we expect some significant changes.

    ———————————————————————

    I hope this doesn’t mean you and MTU will leave. :D:

  41. austinmac September 28th, 2012 at 7:57 am

    Nova giving up more extra base hits than any Yankee pitcher in history tells us all we need to know about how he has pitched. I was hoping for trade value for him, but that looks iffy.

  42. blake September 28th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    Arod is going to have to start sooner….he’s not getting his foot down quick enough and he’s just flat getting beat on fastballs….

    He’s going to have to adjust to his new skill set and probably cheat a little bit more to get to pitches….just the way it is…he’s went through some good stretches but he just never seems to be able to get his timing down and keep it locked in for very long.

  43. Yankee Trader September 28th, 2012 at 8:02 am

    TEAM W L PCT GB ExWL POFF
    NY Yankees (6) 90 66 .577 — 93-69 99.4%
    Baltimore 89 67 .571 1 92-70 87.3%
    Tampa Bay 86 70 .551 4 90-72 19.1%

    ExWL-expected Won-Loss
    POFF-% chance of making the playoffs

    The Orioles should easily take 2 of 3 from the RS, facing Cook and rookie, Stewart. If so the Rays pretty much need to sweep the WS.

    In that scenario coming into the final series if the Yankees only split with the Twins:
    Record
    Yankees 92-67
    Orioles 91-68
    Rays 89-70

    Blake- I sure hope it doesn’t come down to the very last day to determine who moves on as division winner or WC. Worse yet would be a tiebreaker.

  44. Yankee Trader September 28th, 2012 at 8:04 am

    Maine-

    Where have you been? Miss you on here, especially at the Breakfast Club. :)

  45. Ghostwriter September 28th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    blake September 28th, 2012 at 7:52 am

    I know many have disagreed with this but if they plan to let Phelps make Nova’s next start then I would go ahead and put Nova in the pen and see how he looks out there.

    Nova has good stuff and he can strike guys out……his issue often is that he starts leaving pitches in bad spots in the 3rd or 4th inning and beyond…..as a short reliever he potentially could be very good IMO….better than Lowe or Eppley anyway.

    Struggling starters often make good relievers…..the Orioles have done it and its really lengthened and strengthened their bullpen…..they should at least give him a look there.
    ===============

    It seems awfully late in the season to try him out there. We can’t be figuring out the bullpen pecking order during the postseason. At this point, I could see carrying him on the roster in a mop-up role. However, I think that Nova will get squeezed out of the roster, because the Yanks seem so deep with bullpen candidates this year. This just wasn’t Nova’s year…

  46. blake September 28th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    I still think Nova will have trade value because he does have good stuff and he’s still young…..not as much as a year ago though…..with him I think its a combination of concentration losses and that he just doesn’t (and never has had) great command. His curveball was great last night…..but he makes too many mistakes….

    honestly he’s pitched very much like AJ Burnett did his final two seasons with the Yankees……every start seems to be like multiple starts rolled in to one….he’ll be great and look unhittable….then he’ll make huge location mistakes that just kill him and you walk away remembering only the those mistakes and the runs given up…..

  47. blake September 28th, 2012 at 8:06 am

    “It seems awfully late in the season to try him out there. We can’t be figuring out the bullpen pecking order during the postseason.”

    I’m not saying try him out to replace Robertson or even Joba…..but to me it’s not all that risky to find out if he’d be better than Cody Eppley or Derek Lowe….

  48. blake September 28th, 2012 at 8:09 am

    Trader,

    If the Yankees go 4-2 the rest of the way then the Rays need to go 5-1 to tie.

    If the Yankees can’t split a 4 game series in Toronto and win 2 of 3 at home against the hapless Red Socks then they don’t deserve to win the division……and I think it’ll be hard for the O’s to go 5-1 with their schedule.

  49. MaineYankee September 28th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    Yankee Trader September 28th, 2012 at 8:04 am
    Maine-

    Where have you been? Miss you on here, especially at the Breakfast Club.

    ————————————————————————-

    Been feeling better so I can do more things and better for my sanity.

    Not ready to try to plan for next season when this one is still going on.

  50. Yankee Trader September 28th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Austinmac-

    Sounds familiar.

    Among pitchers to make at least 80 starts with the Yankees, A.J. Burnett has the worst career ERA at 4.72, markedly worse than Scott Kamieniecki’s 4.33 ERA.

    Actually I hope the Yankees get him straightened out. I can’t expect Nova to have much trade value. He was injured during the playoff game vs Detroit and again this year. Teams will want Phelps.

  51. blake September 28th, 2012 at 8:18 am

    Teams aren’t going to be as reactionary on Nova as fans are….they’ll realize he’s still young….that he’s going through some growing pains….and that he’s pitching in a really tough division….they’ll also look at his stuff and see some potential there…..not saying he’d bring a ton in a trade….but I do still think he’d have some value.

  52. Ghostwriter September 28th, 2012 at 8:20 am

    blake September 28th, 2012 at 8:06 am

    “It seems awfully late in the season to try him out there. We can’t be figuring out the bullpen pecking order during the postseason.”

    I’m not saying try him out to replace Robertson or even Joba…..but to me it’s not all that risky to find out if he’d be better than Cody Eppley or Derek Lowe….
    ===========================

    I didn’t say that you suggested using him to replace Robertson. Right now, Nova is an erratic pitcher. Getting him straightened out will mean getting him into games, and there aren’t that many innings left in the season. Moreover, it seems like there are so few innings that aren’t really important, with the tight pennant race. Two or three weeks ago, trying Nova out of the ‘pen might have been a good idea, but I think the ship sailed on that one.

    Right now, Phelps is a better option as the long man, and Eppley has had a better year. If I was willing to squeeze anybody out at this stage of the game, it would be Joba.

    Sabathia, Kuroda, Pettitte, and Hughes

    Soriano, Robertson, Logan, Rapada, Phelps, Eppley, Chamberlain

  53. Yankee Trader September 28th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    If the Yankees go 4-2 the rest of the way then the Rays need to go 5-1 to tie.
    ———————–
    Blake I know you meant the Orioles need to go 5-1.

    I don’t expect the Rays to sweep the WS in Chicago. In fact I don’t think they will be playing for a playoff spot when they come home to face the O’s, unless the A’s and Angels lose the rest of their games.

  54. blake September 28th, 2012 at 8:26 am

    “I didn’t say that you suggested using him to replace Robertson. Right now, Nova is an erratic pitcher. Getting him straightened out will mean getting him into games, and there aren’t that many innings left in the season.”

    most relievers are erratic….that’s why they are relievers! Nova has better stuff than anybody they are running out there in middle relief right now…..he could come in and get a big K….Eppley can’t and Derek Lowe can’t. Also having him out there would give you two decent long men for the postseason…..it’s just something they should look at IMO

  55. austinmac September 28th, 2012 at 8:26 am

    I do think Nova has some trade value, but I was hoping he could be a key piece in an Upton or Headley trade. He now looks to be supplemental. I don’t know what primary pieces would be.

    I agree with the idea that if they don’t win the division, they don’t deserve it. The O’s are winning without Markakis. Injuries are not an excuse. Win or go home.

  56. blake September 28th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    Trader,

    yea I meant the O’s…..can the O’s sweep the Sox and win 2 of 3 against the Rays? They could but that won’t be easy….the Yankees just need to take care of their business and win games……starting tonight.

  57. Yankee Trader September 28th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    Right now, Phelps is a better option as the long man, and Eppley has had a better year. If I was willing to squeeze anybody out at this stage of the game, it would be Joba.

    Sabathia, Kuroda, Pettitte, and Hughes

    Soriano, Robertson, Logan, Rapada, Phelps, Eppley, Chamberlain
    ——————————–
    Ghost-

    Makes perfect sense. As of last Sunday Joba has allowed 12 of 22 inherited runners to score, with a WHIP of 1.73 Righties were hitting .362. Apparently his out pitch, the slider, is not fooling them.

  58. blake September 28th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    “I do think Nova has some trade value, but I was hoping he could be a key piece in an Upton or Headley trade. He now looks to be supplemental. I don’t know what primary pieces would be.”

    yea….I don’t know. Cashman is going to have some very important decisions this winter…..decisions that are going to shape the club for years IMO. Very important winter…..the most important in a long time or at least since 2008

  59. Yankee Trader September 28th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    Blake-

    The Yankees , I agree, need to win and win tonight. If they don’t get it together they’ll soon find themselves in a tiebreaker and a WC.

  60. austinmac September 28th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    I think trying Nova in the pen makes sense for the rest of the year. A strong pen is critical in the playoffs. He certainly has the stuff to succeed.

  61. blake September 28th, 2012 at 8:35 am

    Last night the Yankees got dominated by a good pitcher and their starter fizzled…..it was a game that teams are going to lose over the course of the season. As LGY said last night….the game that hurt was Hughes’s start when the bullpen (and Girardi) blew it and they failed to hit against a crappy pitcher.

    That said….the Yankees have still been playing good baseball for a couple of weeks now and still control their own fate with a very favorable schedule…..they don’t face Morrow again so it’s time for the bats to wake up and back Kuroda tonight and for them to win a game they absolutely should win……you don’t win these games then you don’t deserve to win divisions.

  62. Yankee Trader September 28th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    The bullpen is going to determine how the Yankees fare the last 6 games and in the postseason.

    We have two lefties, one in Logan who’s gassed from overuse and one in Rapada who is seldom used lately, because he’s a true LOOGY and with expanded rosters the opposing manager will sub a righty.

    It might make some sense to put Hughes in the pen because lefties as of last Sunday only hit .205, while Nova holds lefties to a .272 BA[from this weeks USA Today Sports Weekly]

  63. Tidrow September 28th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    I hope this isn’t the last of Nova we see. What we are witnessing right now is a young pitcher who is taking his lumps which is inevitable in most good young pitchers in their developmental stages. Only way I remove him from rotation is if he’s hurting physically. The kid has the stuff and temperament to be a very good pitcher in my opinion. Don’t give up on him now.

  64. blake September 28th, 2012 at 8:44 am

    bullpens are critical in the playoffs….they often decide games…..and frankly the Yankees pen isn’t very good especially in the middle of it….so that’s why I would be trying everything to lengthen it between now and the end of the season… Nova has good stuff that might even play better out of the pen and he has a lot of experience pitching in the big leagues….I think he could help and I think they should try him there if they opt not to start him again.

  65. blake September 28th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    “It might make some sense to put Hughes in the pen because lefties as of last Sunday only hit .205, while Nova holds lefties to a .272 BA[from this weeks USA Today Sports Weekly]”

    I said last week that they could consider that IF Nova pitched well down the stretch….but he hasn’t and now I don’t see any way you can take Hughes out of the rotation

  66. blake September 28th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1
    Column 1 http://bit.ly/QYMjex He’s become AJ Nova, so #Yankees can no longer trust him in ’12 with a game that matters.

    I think Sherman copies Lohud sometimes :)

  67. Yankee Trader September 28th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    New Post————->

  68. Ghostwriter September 28th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1
    Column 1 http://bit.ly/QYMjex He’s become AJ Nova, so #Yankees can no longer trust him in ’12 with a game that matters.

    ===============

    It’s an interesting question to contemplate. If game 161 is a must-win game, do the Yanks run Nova out there?

  69. sunny615 September 28th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    Wanna help your team win Nova? Don’t pitch.

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