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Where does A-Rod fit in this lineup?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Sep 28, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

First things first, Alex Rodriguez deserves a spot in the Yankees lineup. Obviously his numbers are disappointing, and his reputation far exceeds his production at this point, but he still gets on base more regularly than most of his teammates, and he’s still able to drive the ball now and then (although he hasn’t done that in quite some time now).

So the question is simple: What would you do with him?

“I’m still comfortable that he could hit third in a Major League lineup because he’s an on-base guy too,” Joe Girardi said yesterday. “He’s going to take his walks. He can get on base in front of Robbie. I like that as well.”

If he’s more table-setter than run producer, is third the best spot for him? Against lefties, sure. He’s hitting lefties quite well this season, but right-handers are giving him trouble, which brings us to another problem with the Yankees lineup: It’s so left-heavy — with a lot of left-handers who haven’t hit lefties this season — that dropping a guy like Rodriguez makes the team incredibly susceptible to late-inning matchups. Should that matter?

We know Rodriguez is going to play. Where does he fit best?

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182 Responses to “Where does A-Rod fit in this lineup?”

  1. blake September 28th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    “So is this year’s Ivan Nova who he really is, or is it a sophomore slump?”

    I would say a little of both….I do think he’s talented and he’s going through some growing pains….but I also think the command issues that were discussed in the previous thread and lack of deception in his delivery could limit his ceiling.

  2. CountryClub September 28th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    I would hit him 3rd vs lefties(.915 OPS) and 6th vs righties(.718). But since they wont hit him 6th…I’d be happy if they put him 5th.

  3. Jerkface September 28th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    So is this year’s Ivan Nova who he really is, or is it a sophomore slump?

    As Blake said, it is a little bit of both. Think of Nova before he had the slider. He still had a change, a nice curve, and a 96 mph fastball, and yet he couldn’t really strike anyone out. Hitters were putting the ball in play on the ground, but not swinging & missing. His stuff either isn’t as good as it looks, his delivery isn’t as deceptive, or he simply can’t command the ball to get it to work effectively. And he has had trouble with walks and giving up hits besides.

    Now this season you see him just constantly reaping the poor command. It is a little flukey because I don’t think he should be leading the league in XBH given up or having hitters bat .300 against him or whatever, but the lack of command & deception means you could see totally variable performance from him season to season.

    CC you do not expect much variance, and the variance there is going to be ‘well just how close to ERA title is he gonna get?’ rather than ‘Am I going to get a 3.8 ERA Nova or a 4.8 ERA nova?’

    Hughes has the same issue, the rate of HRs he gives up means if he has a year where he gives up a few more shots with men on base his ERA is going to balloon.

  4. Jerkface September 28th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    I’d be happy if they put him 5th.

    This team seems to have amassed a huge collection of 5th hitters. Tex, A-rod, Swisher, Granderson are all guys that probably would be better served in the 5 spot… but someone has to hit 3rd or 4th :(

  5. blake September 28th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    one thing you really notice when you watch Nova pitch is that guys consistently hammer his mistakes…..and I mean they hammer like 95 mph fastballs. When Hughes misses up with his 92 mph heater it gets fouled off….when Nova does it gets put in a gap somewhere. Guys must just really see the ball well out of his hand….

  6. CountryClub September 28th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    Last night’s loss didnt bug me much because, on paper, it seemed like the logical outcome. For whatever reason, that guy dominates them in Toronto.

    Anyway, tonight is a diferent story. I still believe they’re going to need 5 more wins to win it outright. It’s possible the Rays can help a lot in that last series, but I don’t think we can count on that.

  7. Jerkface September 28th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    Eppley has had a better year than any of them. It seems to me that the last slot on the postseason pitching staff should go to either Joba or Nova.

    Eppley is a ROOGY. He is literally only useful in getting a couple of righties out. That limits his usefulness as a long reliever.

    The rotation as I see it:

    CC
    Kuroda
    Hughes
    Andy

    Bullpen as I see it:

    Soriano
    Robertson
    Joba
    Phelps
    Logan
    Rapada

    Thats only 10. If they carry 11 it should be Nova or Garcia. Garcia did just fine in the bullpen this year. Garcia, Lowe, & Nova are all untrustworthy, so I’d lean towards Garcia or Nova over Lowe.

    Lefties hit .346 .443 .423 .866 off Eppley & with Joba/Robertson/Soriano they have all the righty killing power they need. Phelps can swing in that role anyways.

    Now if they decide Phelps is a dedicated long man I can see them taking Eppley to be a guy who tries to get Miguel Cabrera out in a tight spot, but you absolutely cannot let him face any lefties in the playoffs.

  8. bruceb September 28th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    This team seems to have amassed a huge collection of 5th hitters.

    Tex and A-Rod are paid to be the big production bats in the No. 3 and No. 4 slots but it appears their best years are behind them. Those 2009 World Series rings came at a hefty price…and we’ll still be paying for them in 2016.

  9. CountryClub September 28th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    This team seems to have amassed a huge collection of 5th hitters. Tex, A-rod, Swisher, Granderson are all guys that probably would be better served in the 5 spot

    —————-

    It’s a good point. But it’s also a reason why they’re so dangerous. It’s an interesting debate. Would you rather have 1 or 2 dominant hitters and then a collection of whatever around them or a lineup with 5 or 6 good/dangerous hitters but nobody being dominant? It’s kind of the same question when it comes to starting pitching.

    BTW, I’m not taking a shot at Cano. he’s had a very good yr. But his struggles vs lefties this yr takes him out of the dominant category for this season. At least for me.

  10. Jerkface September 28th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    It’s a good point. But it’s also a reason why they’re so dangerous. It’s an interesting debate. Would you rather have 1 or 2 dominant hitters and then a collection of whatever around them or a lineup with 5 or 6 good/dangerous hitters but nobody being dominant? It’s kind of the same question when it comes to starting pitching.

    Can I choose 1 or 2 dominant hitters with some 5 hitter types surrounding them like the old yankee teams?

  11. austinmac September 28th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    Saying improved command can be achieved doesn’t mean it will be. But, it’s possible unlike adding five mph. I agree they should see what value he has in trade if Kuroda or Pettitte return.

  12. Ghostwriter September 28th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    Jerkface September 28th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    ============================

    The problem is that Joba has been as untrustworthy as any of the guys that you mention fighting for the last slot. I would keep Eppley as a ROOGY. And if I had to choose between Nova and Joba for the last slot, then I could see a good argument for either one. I could also see a good argument for Garcia. Lowe was an interesting experiment, but I haven’t seen enough from him to warrant giving him the last spot on the staff.

  13. CountryClub September 28th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    Can I choose 1 or 2 dominant hitters with some 5 hitter types surrounding them like the old yankee teams?

    —————

    That would be nice. Maybe in a couple of years when 1 or 2 of the kids come up (maybe they get lucky and 3 or 4 of them turn into real players, but we all know that’s not likely).

  14. CountryClub September 28th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    I’m not Joba’s biggest fan, but he’s been pretty solid for a few weeks now.

  15. CountryClub September 28th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    Jerkface,

    You think Hughes is going to be their #3 in the playoffs? I can’t see that happening if Pettitte gets through his next start healthy.

  16. LGY September 28th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    Nova is hard to figure out because he’s such a drastically different pitcher than he was last season.

    Ideally, obviously, he’d combine his 2011 groundball rate with his 2012 strikeout rate. He definitely has the ability to be a very good pitcher as we have seen him do both those things, unfortunately in different seasons.

    I have confidence he can get back to his groubdballing ways but there’s probably no reasonable way to project how he will pitch next year.
    This is where we find out how good Rothschild is. Nova has the tools but needs to find the right equilibrium between 2011 and 2012.

  17. Jerkface September 28th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    You think Hughes is going to be their #3 in the playoffs? I can’t see that happening if Pettitte gets through his next start healthy.

    They weren’t in any order. I’d probably put Andy in the 3rd game, because that is where he always pitches and its the swing game and he owns.

  18. Jerkface September 28th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    Ghostwriter

    Joba in sept .227 .310 .537 against 2.45 ERA

    Eppley has lefties hitting .500 against him in September, while Joba has limited them to .059.

    I think Joba has turned a corner, and his ability to relieve for a full inning or more makes him a better use of roster space than Eppley who is of singular value. If they decide to use Phelps purely as a long man I can see the case for carrying Eppley, but if they want to use Phelps in high leverage they need a long man and thus I’d go with Garcia (probably) or Nova.

    I don’t think they need 2 long men, that’d be overkill. If you are in a playoff situation where you need to use 2 long relievers in 1 series you’re in over your head already.

  19. blake September 28th, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    Granderson is on Ripken baseball and Cal pretty much point blank asked him why he didnt change his approach with 2 strikes to try and cut down on the Ks and use his speed.

    His answer was that infielders are so good now that its hard to get infield hits…..

  20. blake September 28th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    Regarding the discussion on the last thread about Arod.

    Arod is one of the 5 most talented players to ever put on a uniform…..you could make an arguement hes the most talented player overall to ever play…..so yea his decline is from a higher point than most everybody.

    The problem is relative to the Yankees and how they are constructed …hes a lot farther from what he was in his prime than Jeter is…..and this lineup isnt really built to handle that much decline from him.

  21. 86w183 September 28th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    That’s a bad answer.

    Kuroda’s ERA in his last five starts is 5.29. He may be tired. Would like to bump him to the # 4 start in post-season if that’s possible in order to get him some extra rest.

  22. DONNYBROOK September 28th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    Chamberlain has looked good the last couple weeks. I do Not know why anyone would consider leaving him off the playoff roster.
    Having Cano and A-Rod bat back-to-back is a baseball version of “Dumb and Dumber”. Last night, Cano was somewhere else. Got Doubled off 1B, Then, while a runner at 2B, consistently walking back to 2B after a pitch, with his back to the ball, while looking Up toward CF. Snap throw and he woulda been meat. The No Slide at 2B was ridiculous also.

  23. 86w183 September 28th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    The problem is relative to the Yankees and how they are constructed …hes a lot farther from what he was in his prime than Jeter is…..and this lineup isnt really built to handle that much decline from him.

    **************************************************************************
    True, which is why they need to make some significant changes this off-season and find a couple of younger bats for the OF.

    Can’t be better in 2013 if they bring back the likes of Ichiro, Ibanez and Jones. Chavez, maybe since back up 3B will be even more important.

  24. Jerkface September 28th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    A-rod is basically hitting like Derek Jeter, but no one is going ‘Hooray we got a 2nd Jeter!’ instead we get ‘Booo we don’t have an A-rod’. That is what the difference in their baseline abilities causes.

  25. DONNYBROOK September 28th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    Was there ever a reason given for Nix starting at 3B over Chavez vs the (R) SP?

  26. blake September 28th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    “A-rod is basically hitting like Derek Jeter, but no one is going ‘Hooray we got a 2nd Jeter!’ instead we get ‘Booo we don’t have an A-rod’. That is what the difference in their baseline abilities causes.”

    that’s cause people are crazy…..butl he’s not exactly hitting like Jeter ….the OPS is close but mainly he hasn’t played nearly as many games and he’s hitting about 40 points lower…..they are different players and that’s the problem….this lineup isn’t designed to have 2 Jeters…..it’s designed to have a Jeter and a middle of the order Arod.

  27. blake September 28th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    “Was there ever a reason given for Nix starting at 3B over Chavez vs the (R) SP?”

    that’s not the first time that’s happened since Alex came back….they are just DHing him more for some reason.

  28. mick September 28th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    Was there ever a reason given for Nix starting at 3B over Chavez vs the (R) SP?
    ======================================
    if chavy doesn’t play tonite then we know he was hurt.

  29. DONNYBROOK September 28th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    Why the (R) bat of Nix at 3B, instead of Chavez (L)?

  30. mick September 28th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    well not tonite vs romero…but tmw

  31. Jerkface September 28th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    Chavez is made of glass is the probable reason.

  32. DONNYBROOK September 28th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    So no reporter asked Girardi?

  33. mick September 28th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    not even as a ph for nix….chavy prolly just couldn’t p[lay the field…they still had mcgehee.

  34. mick September 28th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    mike has spent the 1st 45 mins of his show telling us the importance of the yanks winning

  35. mick September 28th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    he is convinced balt will sweep bost.

  36. blake September 28th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    if the Yankees go 4-2 over their final 6 games then Balt will have to sweep Boston and then take 2 of 3 from the Rays to tie…..

  37. yankeefeminista September 28th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    Jeter is in the top five in every short stop offensive category: 2nd in both wOBA, wRC+ and SLG, 1st in OBP, whereas Alex is in 7th, 8th in most 3B offensive categories and 11th in SLG. Many of us anticipated Alex’s lack of power production, and had hoped the Yankees would make amends to get a middle of the order hitter, but they chose not to. We can’t expect Alex to be other than the player he has become. It is the Yankees’ job, not Alex’s to fill that void.

  38. DONNYBROOK September 28th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    Stop the numbers stuff. Yanks win, and Everything takes care of itself.

  39. mick September 28th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    yanks should take the next 3 from tor and at least 2 from the rs…that should do it and might get them best record overall

    i could still see balt getting ousted with TB and Oak in

  40. blake September 28th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    “any of us anticipated Alex’s lack of power production, and had hoped the Yankees would make amends to get a middle of the order hitter, but they chose not to”

    I think they signed Tex as a hedge on Alex….the problem is that he’s declined as much as Alex has since 2009 and they’ve done nothing addtionally to counteract both those guys going down hill.

  41. austinmac September 28th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    AROD is hitting fifty points less than Jeter. Plus, a corner infielder should hit more than a middle infielder. He is now an average or slightly above average 3B. The problem is the Yankees rely on him to be a middle of the order hitter.

  42. Warning Track Power September 28th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Jerk
    I hope that Joba has finally turned the corner. I might begin to believe that when he can put together a few more dominating performances in these last 6 games.
    Not sure how many chances he will get, but I think at this point Girardi should have
    enough confidence in Joba to give him additional chances to shut down an offense.
    If only Joba can throw that slider, curve and change for strikes, just to keep the hitters honest
    and not spit on the breaking balls.

  43. mick September 28th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    TB is red hot and could win out…Balt better win all 3 from bost or they could be eliminated

  44. blake September 28th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Tampa is only 2 back in the WC now….it wouldn’t shock me at all if they won out and got in.

  45. DONNYBROOK September 28th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    NO Bucholtz or Lester vs Balt. Saved for Yankees. What new?

  46. mick September 28th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    wouldn’t hamilton be the perfect fit for this lineup?
    he would be a natural in the Stadium.

  47. mick September 28th, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    some team always does a massive choke job, balt is set up for it…

  48. blake September 28th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    “wouldn’t hamilton be the perfect fit for this lineup?”

    for about 2 or 3 years yes…..but I highly doubt the Yankees will over pay for the final 3 or 4 years for the first half of the contract….they just don’t do that stuff anymore.

  49. mick September 28th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    for about 2 or 3 years yes…..but I highly doubt the Yankees will over pay for the final 3 or 4 years for the first half of the contract….they just don’t do that stuff anymore.
    =================
    i agree….I don’t see this new approach by Hal working…he has the horses now but they were not on his watch, so he is reaping from a system that was here before he arrived…it could be a dismal future if he doesn’t spend.

  50. RSM September 28th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    “We know Rodriguez is going to play. Where does he fit best?”
    ____________________________________________________

    Too easy. He fits best anywhere in the Dodgers lineup!

  51. yankeefeminista September 28th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    Blake, also with all our hitting problems vs. LHP, both Teix and Alex haven’t hit RHP this year.

    Austin, exactly. This has been a problem going on two years, and you certainly can’t blame the player.

  52. austinmac September 28th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    Again, not to criticize AROD, who is doing all he can, but he has 4 home runs and 13 RBIs in the 36 games he has played since July 1st. My criticism is of the management who were blind, cheap or both in not adding a bat. I just don’t see any middle of the order bat to put at 3rd or 4th in the line up. Swisher? Chavez? Granderson? No real options exist.

    I fear they will point to AROD’s hand injury or Teixiera’s cough or some other excuse to justify not adding offense this winter. I can already hear the rational for non-spending.

  53. blake September 28th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    “Again, not to criticize AROD, who is doing all he can, but he has 4 home runs and 13 RBIs in the 36 games he has played since July 1st. My criticism is of the management who were blind, cheap or both in not adding a bat. ”

    the offense is fine.

  54. CountryClub September 28th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    I’m late to the party with this, but Chad asked Chavez yesterday if he was hurt and Chavez said no. They just went with Nix instead. He generally is up front if something is bothering him. So hopefully he’s fine.

  55. Cashmoney September 28th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    when i think of Rod… i think of Adagio and D minor.

  56. blake September 28th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    Chavez was 1-9 against Morrow….Nix had never had an AB….the binder took the unknown over the knowingly bad I guess.

  57. DONNYBROOK September 28th, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    So let A-Rod play 3B and DH Nunez, if your gonna ditch Chavez and his (L) bat. Nunez offensively gives the Yankees More options offensively than Nix.

  58. Cashmoney September 28th, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    hopefully SD will trade my potent bat to the Yanks off season… I run like Mays but hit like
    Cashmoney. btw, Cano will have to move to another position cuz i play 2b.

  59. jacksquat September 28th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    blake September 28th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
    “Was there ever a reason given for Nix starting at 3B over Chavez vs the (R) SP?”

    that’s not the first time that’s happened since Alex came back….they are just DHing him more for some reason.

    The Jays are throwing 3 rhp and Girardi probably didn’t want to use Chavez in all 3 of those games. That and rhh hit Morrow better than lhh. Defensively they are probably a wash or close, so Girardi yet again figures he can rest Arod so why not?

  60. yankee21 September 28th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    I would bat Arod 3rd against LHP and 6th against RHP. Not his fault he is 37 and hitting like a past his prime slugger. That is inevitable right? The fault lies with ownership/management in not hedging against the foreseable decline in Arod by failing to add another bat. The other fault lies with Texiera (when healthy of course) he was expected to be an elite bat and along with Cano anchor the middle of this line-up for years, instead he has become a .250 hitting power hitter. Not what they expected when they signed him. What happened to Tex is not on Cashman but how he handled the decline of Tex along with the foreseable decline of Arod is on Cashman- to the extent ownership funded the appropriate signing/acquisition to counter Tex drop off and Arod’s age.

    Regarding Nova, I’d listen to all offers, as part of a package for a young hitter, unless of course both Andy and Kuroda make it clear they are not returning.

  61. blake September 28th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    “What happened to Tex is not on Cashman”

    I agree….but an argument could be made that perhaps the Yankees should have looked at Tex’s swing and realized that it wasn’t going to age well….

  62. DONNYBROOK September 28th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    I’m still waiting to see just how the “shift” that is being used consistently vs players like TEX has impacted their Avg. I can’t blame Cashman or Mgt in general if a strategy is Now being employed that was Not in effect when a player like TEX was signed. MLB players is general are reluctant to change their swing, stance, where they stand in the box, etc. Took ‘em a while to get to The Bigs, and they stand pat. Not saying it’s right, or good for a team, but that is the mind set.

  63. Jerkface September 28th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    How could the front office have foreseen a defensive alignment in use since Ted Williams being used against them? Its not like they had a pull hitter like Jason Giambi that the shift kept being used on.

  64. Against All Odds September 28th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    blake September 28th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    “What happened to Tex is not on Cashman”

    I agree….but an argument could be made that perhaps the Yankees should have looked at Tex’s swing and realized that it wasn’t going to age well….

    ————————–

    Brandon Tierney was one host who picked up on Tex’s swing and body type 3 yrs ago and said he doesn’t look like he will age well. Maybe they should have hired Tierney as a scout. :)

  65. jacksquat September 28th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    I bet Chavez plays today, and probably at 3B, so Arod can DH again. Tomorrow Jeter will probably DH vs the lhp, with Nunez or Nix at SS.

  66. DONNYBROOK September 28th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    Many, Many, Many, more teams are using shifts consistently Now. There are numbers regarding this, and how it effects players, that teams are keeping close to their vest. We all know about Ted and the shift. Tell us what you saw when The Babe pointed to CF vs. Root.

  67. yankee21 September 28th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    About Nix… How many games has Nix started this year, how many AB has he had?
    If memory serves me right, what is he a career .220 hitter as a +30 year old on again off again major leaguer?

    To me it is inexcusable for a team like the NYY with all their resources available to ultimately have to start a borderline major leaguer like Nix and give him as many reps as he has in 2012. This is on Cashman for failing to develop and on Hal for going on the cheap.

    The yankees are just a ridiculously poor development organization. They cannot even draft and develop a utility player when they need to that exceeds the talent level of a 30 year old career .220 hitter.

    End of rant.

  68. CountryClub September 28th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    I hate the shift. It is what it is, but If it were me, I’d ban it.

  69. Jerkface September 28th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    Teams are shifting more. It does not mean teams are shifting more against specific players. Dead pull hitters have been shifted on since it was invented. What teams like the Rays / Brewers / Orioles are doing is shifting against players you don’t normally think of shifting against because the non-obvious batted ball data suggests it will be effective. Tex/Ortiz/Giambi, those guys were already getting shifted

  70. DONNYBROOK September 28th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    To the degree we see it Now vs TEX, disagree. By the way, was The Babe really wearing a Doo Rag when he pointed to CF???

  71. Tar September 28th, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    Alex should bat third. This offense is not going anywhere without a productive Alex anywhere. I still have faith that he’s going to show up come crunch time.

    I also cant help but think of the similarities between Alex and Jeter re: the premature being finished proclamations. I Wouldn’t be surprised one bit if next year at this time we are discussing what a great year Alex had.

  72. Shame Spencer September 28th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    I haven’t complained about anything in an hour… can we please get the line-up posted? :twisted:

  73. blake September 28th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    “I hate the shift. It is what it is, but If it were me, I’d ban it.”

    I wouldn’t….you have 2 options…either be a well rounded hitter so they won’t shift on you….or learn to beat the shift by hitting it where they aint. The shift merely exploits weaknesses in some players games…..if it keeps weeding out flawed players then the quality of the game should increase.

  74. yankee21 September 28th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    Tar, I agree in one sense, Arod still shows the ability to go on a mini roll and drive the ball. He will do this for a few games. However, he will then revert to being the current Arod, guessing at pitches, flailing away and swinging through 89 mph FB.

    He cannot defeat father time.

    He is still a good 3B and an absolute tireless worker that gives his all, but his days of producing MVP numbers are likely in the distant mirror and I would argue his days even as a 30HR/100 RBI guy are finished.

  75. Jerkface September 28th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    The difference between Tex then and now isn’t more shifts. It is that he is a worse hitter that can no longer beat the shift. If you look at his spray charts, the amount of balls he sends to LF or up the middle have declined drastically.

  76. Jerkface September 28th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    From 2010-2011 Mark Teixeira had a .168 avg vs the shift and a .182 avg vs no shift on ground balls and short line drives. He isn’t beating the defenders in either case because he is focusing on lifting the ball into the seats.

  77. scargo1013 September 28th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    Since we have Arod until he’s 90, maybe he fits in best in his eventual role: full-time DH, batting 7 or 8

  78. austinmac September 28th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    Yankee21,

    I approve this rant.

  79. G. Love September 28th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Tar,

    I don’t think Arod is “finished”, but I do think the power isn’t there with any kind of consistency. He hit a ball last night that usually would go 10 rows deep over the wall that instead was a lazy fly to left center. The power/torque just isn’t there.

    I think the 1/2 day off DH day are doing nothing for him. If he’s banged up, tired or injured they should just rest him as infuriating as that may be.

    The difference I see between him and Jeter is Jeter was never a power hitter. He hasn’t lost his ability to make contact.

    Arod was a high power/high average hitter. I think power is disappearing and the bat speed is going the same way.

    That being said, he’ll get his hits. He’ll have a moment here and there.

    I just don’t know if batting him 3rd is wise at this juncture but if Girardi hits him 6-7th the media will turn it into a feeding frenzy that this team doesn’t need right now.

    I still would bat Cano 3rd even with all the RISP issues he’s having. At least he can hit a breaking ball.

  80. austinmac September 28th, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    Scargo,

    Admit it. You exaggerated. We only have AROD until he’s 88.

  81. blake September 28th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

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    Braden said he brought the bat to protect himself. Braden has been sidelined following shoulder surgery.

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    The other solution will be to blame injuries and bad luck and crap shoot philosophy, that will work to especially with the media who doesn’t challenge Cashman or Girardi practically ever.

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    I do think its interesting how the media has yet to really bring up this stuff and how the payroll is lowering and how the Yanks are spending anymore….its almost like they don’t want to ruin the “Yankees buy championships” narrative that’s so fun to right about…..

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    This works even better as long as we’re still making the playoffs because other teams are so god awful.

    I’d say we’re lucky we had interleague play to help us get that lead we squandered… but I think the O’s feasted on those teams as well.

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    Did anyone actually torture themselves by watching Selig and Kay speak to each other for an hour yesterday??

    I heard he asked about some touchy ownership situations.. anything interesting said?

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    This is already the case.

  94. Jerkface September 28th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    Did anyone actually torture themselves by watching Selig and Kay speak to each other for an hour yesterday??

    I mute any guest on any baseball broadcast. I hate when they cut away from the field to show the guests in the booth. No one cares! NESN is notorious for this. I don’t want to see Michael Kay’s giant head talk to a withered car salesman, just point the camera at the field and let me mute them in peace.

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    It is up to guys like Tex and Granderson to adjust rather than the other way around.

    ———————

    My dislike of the shift has nothing to do with the Yankees or their success/failure vs it. I just don’t like it. But as I’ve already said, it’s not going anywhere.

  96. Shame Spencer September 28th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    JF – It was worse than that.. he was on Center Stage!!

    Although I suppose if they had him in the booth that’d be more annoying as you couldn’t just turn the TV off like I did last night.

    When he talks, its like his whole face is just flapping around. Reminds me of the Canadians on South Park.

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    Oh well thats even better, Shame, its something I can avoid completely :)

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  99. Shame Spencer September 28th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

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