Game 158: Yankees at Blue Jays
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Gameday Thread on Sep 29, 2012 
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YANKEES (91-66)
Derek Jeter DH
Ichiro Suzuki LF
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Nick Swisher 1B
Curtis Granderson CF
Andruw Jones RF
Eduardo Nunez SS
Chris Stewart C
LHP Andy Pettitte (5-3, 2.71)
Pettitte vs. Blue Jays
BLUE JAYS (69-88)
Brett Lawrie 3B
Rajai Davis LF
Edwin Encarnacion DH
Yunel Escobar SS
Yan Gomes 1B
Moises Sierra RF
Jeff Mathis C
Adeiny Hechavarria 2B
Anthony Gose LF
LHP Ricky Romero (9-14, 5.76)
Romero vs. Yankees
TIME/TV: 1:07 p.m., YES Network
WEATHER: Warmer outside. Same inside.
UMPIRES: HP Mike Everitt, 1B Laz Diaz, 2B Tim Welke, 3B Paul Schrieber
MAGIC NUMBERS: To make the playoffs: 2. To win the American League East: 5.
STILL IN THE LINEUP: Robinson Cano has collected 10 hits in his last 16 at-bats over his last four games (all multi-hit affairs). He is batting .332 (67-for-202) with 16 doubles and 11 homers in day games this season.
PART OF THE CLUB: With Eric Chavez’s homer last night, the Yankees now have nine players with at least 15 home runs this season. It?marks the franchise’s most players with at least 15 homers in a single season and ties the Major League record (also the 2005 Indians and 2005 Rangers). The Yankees could set the all-time record. Andruw Jones currently has 14.
JOINING ANOTHER CLUB: Russell Martin hit his 20th home run of the season last night. That’s his single-season career high, and it makes him one of an all-time Major League single-season-high eight catchers in 2012 with at least 20 homers according to Elias.
UPDATE, 1:17 p.m.: Bases loaded with no outs, Cano hits a sac fly for an early Yankees lead.
UPDATE, 1:22 p.m.: Another sac fly for Granderson. Andruw Jones’ strikeout is the only unproductive out of the inning and it’s a 2-0 Yankees lead heading into the bottom of the first.
UPDATE, 1:28 p.m.: Solo homer by Davis is the first run Pettitte has allowed since coming off the disabled list.
UPDATE, 2:04 p.m.: Another strikeout for Jones. He’s really giving the Yankees nothing at this point. Nunez follows with a line out that seemed sure to be an RBI single. Still a 2-1 Yankees lead.
UPDATE, 2:32 p.m.: No kidding, the Cano single was just ruled an error on the pitcher. That call has to be overturned, right?
UPDATE, 2:50 p.m.: That Davis hopper might have been heading foul, but Rodriguez tried to get the out at first, couldn’t do it, and the tying run scored. That’s how we got to 2-2 heading into the sixth.
UPDATE, 2:59 p.m.: Well, now Jeter’s at short and the Yankees have no utility infielder.
UPDATE, 3:02 p.m.: Given where he was playing, I’m not sure Cano could have gotten to first base in time for the Yankees to make a play on that bunt.
UPDATE, 3:07 p.m.: Pettitte’s out. Chamberlain is in. There are two outs and runners at the corners in the sixth. Meanwhile, Jeter is warming up at shortstop while Chamberlain throws his final warmup pitches on the mound.
UPDATE, 3:10 p.m.: Chamberlain allows a go-ahead RBI double, and the Yankees get out of the inning only because the Blue Jays are horrific baserunners.
UPDATE, 3:41 p.m.: The throw beat Gardner, but he was definitely safe.
UPDATE, 3:50 p.m.: Steve Pearce has been claimed off waviers. … By the Orioles.
IMO, unless Andy pitches really great, this will be a tough one. But, who knows anything for sure ?
Go get ‘em Yankees !!!!!!!!
Lets get it on!!!
Lets go Andy Eugene Petitte!!!
Lets go Yanks!!!!!
Score early & often!!!
Put it on the Jays!!!
El Capitan !
Atta boy, Jeet!!
Let’s go. boys! Nunez and Jones two hits a piece, Andy goes seven strong.
Way to start us off, Cap’n.
Hey jackimir, how ya’ doin ? Need to win these games.
Go yankees… Going to play golf. I’ll be checking the scores periodically..
Ichiro needs to stay at the top..
According to YES, the Yankees have won the last 7 games started by Romero against them in spite of some good pitching on his part.
I like their chances today with Andy on the mound.
So if yankees wins and Angels lose we are in?
Las Vegas—Connection–
4NYY-How are you? Longtime , no hear!!! I hope all is well….
Some like to say that early season games aren’t so bad to lose, that there’s a long way to go, that they don’t count like the end of the season. Well, would we like to have a hand full of those early losses right now ?
A homer in the first counts the same as in the 7th-9th.
Cano has to carry us somewhat.
Big chance for the Yankees to blow this game wide open early right here.
Cano has been raking recently, can’t ask for a better guy at the plate.
As long as I’ve been following the Yanks ( ’57 ) I think they almost have to be at or near the top in scoring in the first inn. the most times.
Good enough !
I really like the way that this lineup looks with Ichiro at the top. If we get Tex back in time, the Yanks are going to be a very tough club to beat. Right now Tex’s absence weakens our defense in the infield and in right field as well..,
When was the last time we saw a productive out from Grandy?! Solid work right there.
I wish Swisher was in the same boat as Ross as far as $$$ wanted. I like him better and think he does better in YS.
Goes has a rocket for an arm.
Grandy ripped that one, just right at Gose…
Shades of Roy White ! Sac flys.
Yanks are much better with Ichiro hitting 2nd……
Shutdown inning, PLEASE ANDY….
Andruw – now on the Interstate.
Real nice start…..some situational hitting….shockes Jonesy Kd.
Pat M. September 29th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Yanks are much better with Ichiro hitting 2nd……
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Pat M, please send Girardi a binder filled with pages that just say that, thanks…
“Yanks are much better with Ichiro hitting 2nd……”
When he plays like he has the last month it makes a big difference in this offense….having another guy that can consistently hit their way on base is big.
I would have wanted Ichiro back next year even if he continued as he was in Seattle. ( as the 4th of’er )
But, I really expected him to pick it up with Yanks. and boy has he !!!
jackamir September 29th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Shutdown inning, PLEASE ANDY….
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Andy isn’t giving up many runs against this team, he can expand the strike zone and let them get themselves out just the way Lawrie just did…
Damn, that guy hits us !
4 NYY September 29th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
I would have wanted Ichiro back next year even if he continued as he was in Seattle. ( as the 4th of’er )
But, I really expected him to pick it up with Yanks. and boy has he !!!
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He realy looks great to me. The speed, the arm, the range–it all seems to be there. I don’t understand how he could have been struggling for such an extended period–maybe he was hurt….
Sometimes great players out how to be great again….maybe Ichiro has.
Didn’t expect Andy to give it up so quick. Bats got to get back to work.
Davis is the Jays version of Ciriaco and Steven Drew.
The Leiter curse.. No HR”s in 7 games!!!!!
I think what has always been such a strength with Andy is his confidence to do the job.
Mentally, really tough. ( to go along with his ability to pitch )
Niblick September 29th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Didn’t expect Andy to give it up so quick. Bats got to get back to work.
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Lucky break for the Jays. At least nobody was on base, and we still have the lead. Andy looks pretty sharp to me so far…
Still have the lead.
Andy has good stuff today, he just threw a bad pitch to Davis that was middle in.
The two K’s have been on really good cutters down, he hasn’t had that pitch since coming back (until today).
the Yankees need a few more runs, it shouldn’t be that hard with Romero on the mound and being hit hard (except for Jones’ predictable K).
Ghostwriter September 29th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
4 NYY September 29th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
I would have wanted Ichiro back next year even if he continued as he was in Seattle. ( as the 4th of’er )
But, I really expected him to pick it up with Yanks. and boy has he !!!
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He realy looks great to me. The speed, the arm, the range–it all seems to be there. I don’t understand how he could have been struggling for such an extended period–maybe he was hurt….
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One thing that he does that I never noticed before is when he fields a ball ( fly or grounder ) he always touches the ball to his glove before throwing. Notice that ?
Pretend its 1-0 after 1….Ill take that. Andy looks good and Romero did not so far…..Granderson’s ball could have easily cleared the bases.
Add-on runs will be accepted.. Crooked numbers on the scoreboard..
And Ichiro is very happy to be here ! Makes a difference.
GO ANDY!!!
GO YANKS!!!
DON’T GO O’S!!!
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“So if yankees wins and Angels lose we are in?”
russv001 – I’m really trying to get a handle on this with the 2 WC. I’ve asked the same kind of questions and haven’t really gotten a solid response.
Hopefully someone here will have an answer, unless nobody really has any idea how to figure it with 2 WC.
Speed !
Nunie legs one out, despite the stupid slide. He’s got a lot of “fast” in him.
Now I guess why Jason Nix wasn’t in there instead of Jones today-hip flexor injury.
LGY – Agree… I’m pretty puzzled by the non-A line ups.
Again, speed !
Romero is awful today, the Yankees need to continue to pressure him…
Nunie!
tomingeorgia September 29th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Nunie legs one out, despite the stupid slide. He’s got a lot of “fast” in him.
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And quickness too.
Wish ever inn. was the 1st. Yanks love it.
There we go again. Man on second, no outs.
Good thoughts, good thoughts.
Chalk up the goose egg that inning to Stewart. I fail to see why the Yanks traded for Stewart and demoted Cervelli. Cervelli is at Least the equal of Stewart.
Martin better catch the next 4 games to justify giving him a day off today.
It’s one thing when the guy isn’t hitting, but Martin could have been in Jones’ spot in the 1st inning with runners on and maybe they get another one.
MG September 29th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Martin better catch the next 4 games to justify giving him a day off today.
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I get the day game after a night game thing in June or July.. but this time of year?? It’s so puzzling. I could be alone on this, but at this point I don’t feel like anyone that won’t be seeing playing time in the PS should be starting.
Outta the gate, Pettitte is all over the place.
Sure would have been nice if the Yanks signed Hechevarria. He’s going to be a nice player. Just no room for home w Jeter.
Laz Diaz behind the plate tomorrow with Martin catching. Could be something to keep your eyes on… Diaz & Martin have a history….
Worried about Andy’s pitch count.
Cano busting down the line..
Swish looks like Batman w the eye black and shades.
Shame Spencer September 29th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
MG September 29th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Martin better catch the next 4 games to justify giving him a day off today.
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I get the day game after a night game thing in June or July.. but this time of year?? It’s so puzzling. I could be alone on this, but at this point I don’t feel like anyone that won’t be seeing playing time in the PS should be starting.
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I agree completely, you are not alone…
Smiley Jones again in a big situation. Oh well. So much for that rally.
Andruw, grrrrrr
Alas, the Grandy Man can’t.
Curtis Granderson = Rob Deer
Trade him in the offseason (34 years old in March 2014 so too old to give three or more years to and he won’t accept a year or two extension or contract.)
Yeah I don’t understand the “rest” thing when every game is the equivalent of a playoff game.
Crap.
please take Jonesy out.
bases loaded and no outs and nothing…..unreal.
Sigh. Bad luck there.
How is it Jones gets into any more games? He is the best player Toronto has right now.
how Jones can be in the lineup at a major league level is beyond me.
He can’t hit, period.
That was a joke.
Just terrible….The usual inning for the Yanks. Bases loaded and get nothing. Granderson and Jones back to back is an absolute joke. What in the world was Girardi thinking playing Jones today.
Jones does not deserve another at bat this year. He is lost up there.
Nice play by Hechavarria. Nunez scalded that ball.
Dickerson to right, this inning.
That was truly demoralizing.
They are going to rue their wasted opportunities.
Wait, we still have Nunez’ error that will cost us the game to witness.
Bases loaded. No outs.
No runs. That’s a good way to lose games.
Nunez hit it hard at least and got robbed…..Jones has to put the ball in play there.
I’m afraid Andruw Jones is completely worthless, but it’s management’s fault for thinking he had anything left. Embarrassing.
We’re gonna see Jones in the PS, aren’t we?…It makes me wanna cry but I feel like Joe will find a way to keep treating this like Little League and give everyone a chance to play.
Granderson gets a pass for this AB because he just missed hitting one out in the 1st inning.
Jones gets no pass except the one that tells him to go home…
Except that the catcher position is one of the most physically demanding of all positions and you probably want your catcher to have that day off. He can always go in to pinch hit later in the game if necessary – I’m hoping that it won’t be necessary.
yes….Dickerson should already be in the game for Jonesy….he should have started the game for Jonesy….
If you have nothing nice to say about someone, aren’t we taught to keep our mouths shut?
Well I have nothing nice to say about Smiley Jones. AAAArgh!!
I really can’t stand when Girardi plays his favorites over guys who actually deserve to be in the lineup. Playing Jones makes no sense. Especially against Romero when lefties hit him a lot better than rigthies. They should have like 7 runs on the board. I am sure they will regret that inning later in the game.
This team is incredibly pathetic. Nunez gets a pass, because he was robbed. Granderson and Jones are just absolutely awful at this point. Rally killers. Team killers. Just both putrid.
“There’s only room for one gritty catcher on this team” *grrrrrrr* – Martin
enough is enough with Jones
Nice play, Stewie.
Now let’s see you get a hit.
Should be about 6/7/8-1 right now. Game should be over. Andy should have a weight off his shoulders, and we could be looking towards Hughes for the 3-1 series win. Now, who knows.
Already after 3, 1 for 9 with RISP.
The Yanks have to figure out this Davis loser. They probably throw him too many fastballs. I tired of watching this 4th outfielder who is garbage beat them.
Jones better not be on the post season roster.
What exactly does Smiley have hanging over Binder Boy’s head? Color me incredulous that he is on any ML roster, much less the Yankees!
I was hoping Romero might be hurt a little and they would bring in a rhp just so Jones would be replaced…
I get that earlier in the year Girardi was playing Jones to see what is there. Also hoping to get him going. But it obvious there is ntohing there. But when you are one of Girardi’s boys it doesn’t matter how bad you play. It’s inane.
It just really would be nice to see Dickerson get some of Jones’ at bats. Dickerson made adjustments at AAA this year at hit both righties and lefties. He has hit in his handful of chances since the call up. Put him in, coach.
I’ve seen enough of Andruw. I’ve defended him, mostly out of having watched him in his glory years. 400 homers and 10 Gold Gloves, those years. Time to go back to Curacao, Andruw. There’s a plane tonight you’ve got time to catch. Your Mama wants you home.
what a pitch
If we were in the middle of the season, I’d rest Martin plenty.. I would have probably rested him a lot during those early months when he was batting like .160.
But he’s actually hitting well, and we’re batting for the division. Moves like putting Jones and Stewie in just reinforce this feeling that the Yanks would be happy to finish with the WC or even WC2 as long as it means they made the PS. They’re almost assuming the O’s can’t go win for win with them for these last 5 games. Two months ago I’d agree with that lol… but I feel like the O’s have proven they can hang.
“It just really would be nice to see Dickerson get some of Jones’ at bats. ”
especially when the starting pitcher is worse against LH hitters.
Still can’t believe it’s only 2-1. Unreal.
Jones plays because Joey Binder is married to the lefty-righty platoon. Even when half of it is worthless.
Stewart did a nice job of framing that last pitch which looked low.
SSS but in the 23 games Dickerson has played this year this is his slash line: .333 /.467 /.833 /1.300
blake September 29th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
what a pitch
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Davis is the only Jay who has sniffed a hit so far, Andy is in complete control of the other 8 guys…
Gee, I wonder what Joe would do if they clinched the division and still had a shot at best record in the AL ? Hmmmm…let’s see. Joe is a jarhead, the right thing to do would be…..
Well, at least now we’ll see Ibanez instead of Smiley. Although, I’d rather see Dickerson get a chance to play.
the Yankees should crush this new pitcher…
Is Eddie Gaedel still alive? I’d pinch hit him for Smiley…at least he knew how to get on base.
Better argument yet… if they do carry Dickerson in the PS, which I think they should given having Ibanez and Jones on the bench is redundant (I’m rooting for Ibanez… and I hate the guy!!), and if they do act crazy and carry him…….
Wouldn’t you want him getting more playing time?
This is why I think Gardner in the PS is a pipe dream. If they plan to use him, I’d start sooner rather than later.
Jete seems to be rolling over on balls again lately.
jackamir September 29th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Cano busting down the line..
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I’ve noticed that for a while now. He’s getting out of the box faster and running harder when he needs to. Getting his doubles a little easier.
Can’t wait to see this place when Jones is on the post season roster and then when Girardi starts him.
I hear he’s tight with Jeter & is popular in the clubhouse. I wonder if politics have any reason to do with the length of leash he’s getting as a Yankee.
“Well, at least now we’ll see Ibanez instead of Smiley. Although, I’d rather see Dickerson get a chance to play.”
Binder may have him bat lefty. He certainly couldn’t do any worse!
Only team that can’t hit Romero
The offense is a joke.
G. Love September 29th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Can’t wait to see this place when Jones is on the post season roster and then when Girardi starts him.
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I’m mentally preparing myself.
I’m trying to decide which will torment me more: Jones starting in the OF or Jones starting as the DH lol.
“Unreal” blake?
This Yankees team is the 1992 Yankees BA and OBP wise with more homeruns and way more strikeouts.
They’d be the 1992 Yankees record-wise if not for the pitching.
We know how certain hitters are called professional hitters. To me, Pettitte is a professional pitcher. Always looks in command, even if he’s not. Kind of reminds me of a bigger version of Whitey Ford.
G. Love-
Can’t the team still bring players along who are not on the postseason roster?
I see no way Gardner gets on the postseason roster. How much has he played since getting off the Dl — a half inning. Much rather see Dickerson on the postseason roster. He can actually swing the bat. Gardner would be another Eddie Gaedel if he was forced to bat.
jacksquat September 29th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
I was hoping Romero might be hurt a little and they would bring in a rhp just so Jones would be replaced…
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Dreams do come true.
Here’s the thing with Andruw…he mashes against Boston.
As frustrating as it is to watch him destroy easy scoring opportunities, maybe consider today his “get my timing” day so he can kill Lester in this final series.
Trying to be optimistic through the frustration, especially since Pettitte has been so darned good.
Economical inning for Andy….
Think good thoughts, think good thoughts.
Jones with veteran presents. Don’t mess with the clubhouse harmony. Men on, every inning. Nyet, nada, nichevo. Nyquil game.
Think good thoughts.
Hey Trish,
Andruw is looking good today, huh?
Nice inning for Andy. Will save us at least one inning from the atrocious middle relief guys. Yes, this means you Boonie.
4NYY,
I used the Pettitte and Ford comparison a while back.,bothmpitchnprettymmuchnthemsame. Pettitte probably doesn’t throw the emery board pitch as well.
This is so repetive if they don’t hit homers they can’t manufacture runs girardi says that they are a homerun team that’s his exuse.yankees are pitifull with bases loaded.girardi won’t play dickenson an all he does hit.I’m so sick of jonese an ibanez
I would love to see Nunez at DH in the playoffs. I don’t care if a lefty or righty is on the mound. He can really hit and always puts the ball in play. Something that Granderson and Jones always fail to do.
Girardi will probably let Jones hit.
World’s longest word.
“This Yankees team is the 1992 Yankees BA and OBP wise with more homeruns and way more strikeouts.
They’d be the 1992 Yankees record-wise if not for the pitching.”
That is the most ridiculous baseball analysis I’ve ever seen. It’s like saying that if a Ferrari didn’t have a a Ferrari engine it would be a Yugo.
“.I’m so sick of jonese an ibanez”
Not a big Ibanez fan, but he’s Babe Ruth compared to Smiley.
They have to take advantage of this situation. They can’t fail once again.
Shame I hear what you’re saying but I think it’s pretty standard to rest your catcher day after night, even at the end of the season, and even if you’re fighting for a playoff spot. (On the other hand, I understand what you’re saying about Russell’s hot bat. And with Diaz behind the dish tomorrow, maybe playing him tomorrow would have been prudent.)
I don’t know what recovery time is for a catcher and whether having to go day after night causes too much lactic acid build up, or something.
I just remember reading what a grueling position catcher is so maybe that day off is necessary.
sacrifice and pinch hit.
All the books say that.
strikeout ruler is up…=(
1992 Yankees: .261 / .328 / .406
2012 Yankees (four games left after today): .261 / .334 / .449
When you think about it, the only thing the 2012 Yankee offense has on the 1992 Yankee offense is a much, much better 2B-SS (Cano-Jeter vs. Kelly-Stankewicz who were so bad they combined for 6 less HR than JETER.)
Move the runners!
I predict that if Jones bats in this inning the LoHud server will be shut down by the sudden overflow of traffic…
Gardner, Suzuki, Swisher, S. Hairston 2013 OF – - – -
austinmac September 29th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
4NYY,
I used the Pettitte and Ford comparison a while back.,bothmpitchnprettymmuchnthemsame. Pettitte probably doesn’t throw the emery board pitch as well.
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Great minds…. you know.
Whitey was my favorite. And that’s hard to say with so many others that were so good like Guidry.
Well now he’s out of the game
Grandy can’t hit lefties or righties. I wonder how he does off a tee.
MG-
Luckily, the servers are still running.
“martin”esque 3rd hr would be nice
Got to gamble since Granderson couldn’t move both runners
over. Steal second. Look at the book, Joe, not your binder,
but the Traditional Boook.
Is that the third DP?
this is comical at this point
Really?
I guess we need some solo homers if we want runs.
First two runners on. Nothing, once again.
Just ugly today – just feels more than usual the lack of hitting w/ RISP – afraid it will come back to bite them – particularly the failure of Granderson and Jones – - – -
Pathetic.
Good job. Let’s keep waiting for that 3-run homer.
unbelieveable
This would be more painful if it wasn’t so predictable.
Ibanez managed to do something worse than Jones in that spot
Not that I want Jones up there, of course…
Yankee Trader,
Jones can travel with the team and I guess be in uniform, but it would be a major slap to his ego/face to leave him off the roster. If he’s got a lot of friends in that clubhouse who are vets, Girardi won’t risk their wrath. It’s the only way I can explain the leash he’s been given. He looks injured, slow and can’t hit. I’m not exactly sure what’s keeping him in there other than his status on the team.
Girardi could have use dickenson
Petite with 63 pitches. Could pitch 7 innings?
Granderson would be a great guy to have if there weren’t so many other similar hitters on the team like Teix and Swisher. I actually think Swish is a better hitter and is more valuable because of defensive versatility. Put me in the camp that would rather resign Swish and trade Grandy in the offseason.
Thank goodness they didn’t add an outfielder at the TD.
trisha – Agreed it’s probably the prudent thing to do, but I think part of the issue I have with it is that this isn’t really the time for that. We could be in our final 8 games of the year (5 regular season, minimum 3 post season). He’ll be resting for a good long while pretty soon if we don’t put the pedal to the medal.
Blake-
I’m not laughing!
Repeat ad nauseum
Think good thoughts, think good thoughts.
Ibanez with veteran presents. Don’t mess with the clubhouse harmony. Men on, every inning. Nyet, nada, nichevo. Nyquil game.
Think good thoughts.
Jays will tie the game.
Yankee offense stinks
Bet the jays don’t waste this opportunity.
“Girardi could have use dickenson”
Not so, due to binder blinders.
TheStraw September 29th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
“This Yankees team is the 1992 Yankees BA and OBP wise with more homeruns and way more strikeouts.
They’d be the 1992 Yankees record-wise if not for the pitching.”
That is the most ridiculous baseball analysis I’ve ever seen. It’s like saying that if a Ferrari didn’t have a a Ferrari engine it would be a Yugo.
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Hey stupid, again:
1992 Yanks: .261 / .328 / .406
2012 Yanks: .261 / .334 / .449
Therefore the 2012 Yanks are hitting the same as the ’92 Yanks and getting on base only slightly more than the ’92 Yanks.
The 43 extra points on the SLG can be attributed to Granderson’s 40 HR, Cano’s 30 HR, and Jeter’s 15 HR, more or less considering the ’92 Yanks got 10 HR from their CF Roberto Kelly, 7 HR from their 2B Pat Kelly, and only 2 HR from their SS Andy Stankiwiecz for a combined 20 HR from the CF/2B/SS (only 5 > 2012 Jeter and 65 < Granderson/Cano/Jeter.)
But you keep living in denial thinking this team is better than the '92 squad because they hit way more homeruns because they have atypical power at 2B, CF, and one could even argue SS as who thought Jeter would've hit 15 HR this year?
Oh wait.. actually it would be less than 8 games if we have to play a one-off WC game…crap.
Granderson went both ways – think good thoughts. The Yankees season in a nutshell.
Hard to criticize Raul. He’s had some big hits lately, and will probably be valuable in the playoffs.
The offense is the reflection of a lack of investment since 2009. When you don’t sign free agents and don’t sign international talent, this is what happens.
My guess is Hal is preparing this team for a sale. Reduce the number of long-term contracts, and it makes this a more attractive asset for a potential buyer. The thing is, you also cheapen the brand when u don’t spend to improve it.
Wow!!!!
*Correction 19 HR from The Kellies and Stanky, only 4 > 2012 Jeter, 66 < Granderson/Cano/Jeter.
gotta have the infield in here…
G. Love September 29th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Yankee Trader,
Jones can travel with the team and I guess be in uniform, but it would be a major slap to his ego/face to leave him off the roster. If he’s got a lot of friends in that clubhouse who are vets, Girardi won’t risk their wrath. It’s the only way I can explain the leash he’s been given. He looks injured, slow and can’t hit. I’m not exactly sure what’s keeping him in there other than his status on the team.
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Ridiculous but true.
Yay, Grandy, redeemed yourself on that one.
Okay I admit that I am babysitting my allergies today so am doing the best I can to focus on the game.
Where did Shawn Hill come from? (Other than the bullpen). I remember him from years past but didn’t remember hearing his name recently. Are we his first this season?
Funny, their record says that they are least 15-20 wins better than the 1992 Yankees. 200 home runs are 200 home runs. But keep making your irrelevant point.
that was a terrific play by Granderson…
Wow.
But Ibanez could use a rest. Overswung on the last two at bats including last night.
Veteran presents. Blech
(Stole veteran presents from another site)
Alex should have gone home with that ball.
Pathetic
Wow, bad play by ARod there.
Nothing like getting dinked and dunked to death.
Should be up 5-2 or 6-2 – - – -they are laying down a huge turkey here – - – -
brain fart by Arod, what was he thinking?
Game on Girardi and Granderson so far – - – -
Brilliant.
Yeah, it was going foul, wasn’t it….
don’t give in to him
Made up for it there.
Just a bad game so far – - – -
Shame, the most aggravating thing is that we shouldn’t even having to be talking about the need for Martin right now. So Romero has owned us. What about Hill? I am going to make an assumption that the bats will break through. It still shouldn’t be this hard. The logical me realizes that the Jays are playing spoiler and they are going to be up for doing whatever it takes. The allergied me is sick and tired of the whole damn thing.
Nice
it should be about 8-2 right now…..this offense is so frustrating
Lol
Looks like they wanna wait jays take this game.
Yay Andy – Veteran presents
Really bad play by Arod. Now the bats better get back to work. Too bad they wasted 2 innings.
amazing how the Jays can get the guy home from third with 2 outs – and then the Yanks cannot get the runner in from third with no outs – - – -
Andy deserves a better fate than this tie score.
Cashman needs to tell Girardi Jones will not be on a post season roster. Problem solved.
great the pitcher Stewart bats this inning – if Nunez does not get on Jeter comes up with two outs – - –
Boy, turn on Alex, why don’t you.
Second guessing one of the top baseball players in baseball history. Okay.
The Steins really should forget about 189. They can calculate the money they would have saved by reaching 189 and take that amount out of Hank’s trust fund. He was responsible for the ARod signing.
trisha – Agreed. Martin or Dickerson shouldn’t be considered difference makers and we should have a bigger lead in the playoff race right now… I just hope we’re not losing by the 8th! As long as we’re still tied or winning by then ..well.. that’d be preferable.
Gose goes
Wow, great catch by Gose.
inning basically over now – why Joe did not bat Nunez before Jones i have no frickin clue – Andy needs to hold them in the bottom of the sixth – - – -
One team looks like a playoff contender and it’s not the Yankees.
“Andy deserves a better fate than this tie score.”
Hopefully that’s going to happen.
Gose. sigh
Boy, Nunie ripped it the last two at bats.
bad bad bounce back inning here – doomed really from the start with Stewart batting – - -
Way to get the run back – - – -
Someone explain the need for A. Jones…..I don’t get that one
I hate to be pessimistic but this is the type of game they have lost all year.
Craptastic inning.
Jones and grandeson back to back is like two automatic outs in a row
As someone mentioned before – Jeter rolling over again.
It’s another “Score early and then waste chances while the other team pulls ahead” type of game. This script has become really old.
You know austin, I disagree. I’ve seen them win their share of games like this, this year. But you know what? Why should it have to come to this? Why should we have to wait ’til the later innings for the bats to get the job done. After a while that loses its intrigue and excitement.
Do you thing the team looks at the line up pregame and sees people like Jones at the bat and Nunez in thr field and just figures. we can’t win?
They are not playing with any type of urgency….AND THEY REALLY NEED TO!!!!
Bo knows September 29th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
As someone mentioned before – Jeter rolling over again.
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He’s playing hurt. It’s probably worse than he lets on knowing his past history.
ZMANINSJ September 29th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
One team looks like a playoff contender and it’s not the Yankees.
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The Morrow game really convinced me of it – I was already reeling from the Twins fiasco on Tuesday night. This game is gone – they failed to score in the early innings and now it will come back to bit them as it always seems to do. They will lose this game, win tomorrow and go back to YS in a tie w/ the Orioles. It will come down to how well the Rays play the Os if they have anything left to play for. I think C.C. can win Monday – but games two and three of the Sox series – especially game two with Lester who has deflated us the last two times – Yanks will be in the on game playoff and they really only have themselves to blame – - – -
austinmac September 29th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
I hate to be pessimistic but this is the type of game they have lost all year.
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Unfortunately I agree with you, they should be way ahead by now.
Andy just needs a shutdown inning and the middle of the order is up in the 7th…
We just lost the DH because Joe make a mistake when he made the line up…?
Now Joe benches a guy who just missed two extra base hits.
Go get them tomorrow – one game playoff against the As – here we come – - – -
“Mr. Hustle”
Plain awful
And the wheels come off further – - – -
@yagottagotomo
Two starters in history have had a season over 80 IP where K/9 >8, BB/9 125: Shields in 2010, Nova in 2012. Odd year
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LGY you posted this tweet but left out everything after BB/9 and everything before 125, so it was confusing here it is again. I was looking at it for like 5 minutes trying to figure out why a K/9 > 8 and BB/9 125 meant an odd year.
Now for a stat for this game: Yankees are 2 for 11 with RISP, both hits did not score a run. Thats from RAB.
Nunez hit the two hardest it balls the Yankees have dad. Time to sit him? By what reasoning?
what just happened with Nunez?
I don’t believe the Kay rationale with taking him out for defensive purposes, it’s the 6th inning of a tie game and Nunez has stung the ball today…
Take out the guy who can swing a bat. Good idea.
Watch as the Jays show how it is done driving in baserunners with no outs – - – -
Yet another clinic on how to advance runners
TheStraw September 29th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Funny, their record says that they are least 15-20 wins better than the 1992 Yankees. 200 home runs are 200 home runs. But keep making your irrelevant point.
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Yeah, they’re 15 wins better than the ’92 Yanks right now because of their pitching, but you keep omitting that point.
I wasn’t talking about the ’92 Yanks as a whole vs. the ’12 Yanks as a whole, I was talking about the ’92 Yanks offense vs. the ’12 Yanks offense statistically, stats don’t lie, and learn to read. Of course the ’12 Yanks are better as a whole, my point you obviously missed is the ’12 Yanks offense is identical in BA and almost identical in OBP as the ’92 Yanks and that is alarming not only for this year but for next as everyone including Jeter, Teixiera, Granderson, and Rodriguez (the senior members of the starting nine under control) will be older and I doubt Ibanez will return and if he does smack another 18 HR. What have people been grousing about the most this year, the Yanks pitching or the Yanks hitting? The hitting. The RISPBA has been brought up constantly all year, get back to me with a stretch of writers bemoaning the ERA and BB.
Yeah, everyone is grousing over the offense because it’s hitting like the ’92 team BA and OBP wise. Maybe if you started following the Yanks that year or before that (in my case before that – try 1982), you’d understand where I’m coming from. I’ve seen several offenses like this before – they’re called the 1989-92 Yankees, and the only reason why this year’s offense gets a pass is the pitching and the homeruns (more specifically atypical HR production at 2B, SS, and CF.)
200 HR is 200 HR, right, and 200 HR might result in no more season after a loss of a one-game playoff, but you keep singing the gospel of 200 or more HR like it means something when it could mean nothing as cruelly as four solo shots for the Yanks in a 5-4 loss to the As cuz they couldn’t put three hits in a row together for a run without the homerun, or score without the homerun in any way period.
I’ll take a 1996 Yankees slashline over .261 / .328 / .449 any day of the week.
Cano was shifted almost all the way over to the 2B bag.
Poor Andy. Thank God he’s a pro.
Why did we lose the DH? We only have 1 backup IFer why would you put Nunez in the field if your intention is to remove him after 5 innings?
Is this the inning?
DavidWaldstein So, Nunez is out of the game (no announcement why yet) and Jeter has moved to short. Pettitte now moves into Nunez’s spot and there’s no DH
Let them play small ball…we’ll wait for the 5 run homer!
And here comes the rally making us really lament lost opportunities.
Nunez better be injured or it’s a stupid move. If you don’t trust him then don’t start him in the first place.
Leiter & Kay are abominable. They are hard to listen to. No excitement and dull…
If anyone can get out of this jam, Andy can.
Joe buckling under the pressure?
Let’s relax before conceding the division to the Orioles.
This game is still tied and the Orioles haven’t even started their game yet.
Can’t believe Escobar didn’t tag up!
i like leaving Andy in here.
I’ve never been a Girardi fan but I think I hate him even more now. Losing the DH in the 6th? With his matchup crazy pitching changes this team is going to have zero bench left.
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Girardi manages Jones like this is game 50 and manages Nunez like it’s game 162. Show some consistency.
OH MY GOD GRANDY!
Every time you see Grandy hit at air, try to remember that catch.
Nice play Grandy. That’s a big one.
“i like leaving Andy in here.”
I did too…
The Grandyman can! (Field, at least)
LGY you posted this tweet but left out everything after BB/9 and everything before 125, so it was confusing here it is again. I was looking at it for like 5 minutes trying to figure out why a K/9 > 8 and BB/9 125 meant an odd year.
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My bad dude. Thanks for posting the full tweet.
trisha – true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
OH MY GOD GRANDY!
Every time you see Grandy hit at air, try to remember that catch.
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It was a wonderful run down – that being said – Granderson has to do more than pop up with bases loaded and no outs – – - -
that was a great play by Granderson, may be a game saver…
Well, Grandy messed up Mathis’ last double so it was only just.
COME ON JOBA!
I trust Joba.
Come on Joba – - – -
Oh wait, you didn’t post the full tweet. Here it is
Bloggie McBlogger@yagottagotomo
Two starters in history have had a season over 80 IP where K/9 >8, BB/9 125: Shields in 2010, Nova in 2012. Odd year
I would take the 1996 roster, too, over this one. But that’s not what we have. If you want to assign blame for that, put it on Cashman for not acquiring contact hitters and Girardi for not playing the few that he has on the bench. But you have to play with the hand you are dealt, and considering the all or nothing nature of this offense, 91 wins is nothing to sneeze at. And it’s not all because of the pitching, because they have had their share of hiccups too.
Game – thanks Joba – - – -
lmao its the bracket symbols, we’re both f’ing it up.
Joba’s never been great with runner inherited…. hopefully he can get this 1 out here.
Gomes bad base running may have saved us this game.
Nice shutdown, Joba
Two starters in history have had a season over 80 IP where K/9 >8, BB/9 less than 3 and an OPS+ against over 125: Shields in 2010, Nova in 2012. Odd year
There is the full tweet PARAPHRASED
Great job by Ichiro and Swish.
Like I just posted, Joba just has never done a great job at coming in and stranding runners. Even when he was at his peak. I don’t understand bringing him in there.
And there it is…better find some offense. Fast.
WTF, it cutting off part of the tweet when I post it.
@yagottagotomo: Two starters in history have had a season over 80 IP where K/9 >8, BB/9 125: Shields in 2010, Nova in 2012. Odd year
nice pitching, Chamberlain, another inherited run you allowed, you turkey.
Joba just has never done a great job at coming in and stranding runners. Even when he was at his peak.
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He stranded inherited runners at a rate above league average every season except this one.
If Yankees lose, this game is on the putrid hitting with RISP. Same old story.
There is the full tweet PARAPHRASED
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Thank you!
A million wasted chances for the Yanks. Now we’re reduced to rooting for the sawx tonight. Pitiful.
Oh Joe… Girardi again on business of losing games.
The gun out at third us about the first inherited runner not to score off Joba.
To Joba’s defense, he was jobbed on that second pitch. This ump has been calling low strikes all day. That second pitch should have been a strike, setting up an 0-2 slider. Joba’s had to come back with the fastball at 1-1, and it was hit.
Give me some offense, PLEASE!!!!!!
Jerkface September 29th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Joba just has never done a great job at coming in and stranding runners. Even when he was at his peak.
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He stranded inherited runners at a rate above league average every season except this one.
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League average is balanced out by a lot of scrubs also. For a guy who pitches in the late innings and was dominant at one time, it just never feels like he’s as good when he comes in with guys on.
Let’s see some small ball. Got to get Ichiro to score.
RMS September 29th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
If Yankees lose, this game is on the putrid hitting with RISP. Same old story
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How many times have we posted this this year. THey are really sad in runners in scoring p…
Hooray! Only down by one when they should be up by five!
This game is the most frustrating game I’ve watched all season. Not worst game, most FRUSTRATING.
Lineup has been putrid scoring, but this was a terrible lineup from the beginning of the day. Jones? Really…?
Brappy — If you’ve been watching, you’ve seen this game many times. It’s nothing new.
Why has Ichiro not stolen yet?
Anyone who wants to easily beat the Yankees, just walk the bases loaded every inning.
I know ZMANINSJ but at this point in the season, with this much on the line, and the magnitude of this game, it takes the cake.
Too close to take.
A-Rod is a freaking black hole
Wow ! Arod can’t catch up to that.. he had 3 very hittable pitches! Wow. That’s is not a good sign.
League average is balanced out by a lot of scrubs also. For a guy who pitches in the late innings and was dominant at one time, it just never feels like he’s as good when he comes in with guys on.
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Its the average, and just so you know Mariano Rivera & David Robertson are both worse than the league average.
ARod sucks.
OK so Arod is not hitting for power so he is not hitting a home run here. Is there a good reason why Ichiro is still standing on first base?
Did anyone really expect arod would get a hit in his last ab?
A-Rod is not only not hitting for power. He’s not hitting period.
Inherited Runners is basically a flukey stat, find a large group of elite relievers that consistently is as good as you think. Which is what? 2 standard deviations away from league average? 3?
Jerkface September 29th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
League average is balanced out by a lot of scrubs also. For a guy who pitches in the late innings and was dominant at one time, it just never feels like he’s as good when he comes in with guys on.
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Its the average, and just so you know Mariano Rivera & David Robertson are both worse than the league average.
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Robertson surprises me since he was so good at getting out of jams. Rivera doesn’t totally even with as good as he is. League average isn’t what I look at for good players. Averages (outside of an individual average like batting) are faulty because extreme rates skew them.
Alex looks old. He seems to have lost his power and hits lots of ground balls when he isn’t swinging and missing. Don’t know if he is hurting or just aging.
Only positive of this terrible end to the season is that maybe it can get Girardi fired (unless we win a World Series) – that would be an excellent thing
There goes that…
This team is such a complete joke.
Averages (outside of an individual average like batting)
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How does this make sense? Inherited Runner Scoring% is also an individual average. Batting average is both brought down by the hitters that suck (like pitchers) and raised by the outlier guys like McCutchen, Melky, Mauer, etc. Thats why its an average.
I’m telling you, I already looked over this the other day and I couldn’t find an ‘elite’ reliever with a strong history of limiting inherited runners.
Famous Scot Shields was not good at it.
Jerkface September 29th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Inherited Runners is basically a flukey stat, find a large group of elite relievers that consistently is as good as you think. Which is what? 2 standard deviations away from league average? 3?
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I agree. A guy who is elite (like Rivera) is probably only going to come into the middle of an inning if it’s a significant jam (i.e. bases loaded 1 out or something similar). Obviously it’s easier to strand a runner on 1st with 2 outs than 2nd and 3rd 1 out. Doesn’t really make sense just looking at percentages.
Might have been 1st and 3rd with one out.
Ichiro on second with that base hit and it’s 3-3. It is not a tough game to figure out. See the ball , hit the ball.
I am feeling ill.
A week or two ago I took solace in the fact that the Yanks had the easiest schedule down the stretch…not so much anymore.
Jerkface September 29th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Averages (outside of an individual average like batting)
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How does this make sense? Inherited Runner Scoring% is also an individual average. Batting average is both brought down by the hitters that suck (like pitchers) and raised by the outlier guys like McCutchen, Melky, Mauer, etc. Thats why its an average.
I’m telling you, I already looked over this the other day and I couldn’t find an ‘elite’ reliever with a strong history of limiting inherited runners.
Famous Scot Shields was not good at it.
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I’m talking about comparing averages across multiple players and the league…. I don’t think we are on the same page here.
1st and 3rd and then Swisher pops out to shallow right. Ichiro took some of the pain out of the inning.
Offense sucks ass.
Michael Kay is a buffoon. “Tough play”. What game is he watching?
Offense sucks ass.
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Cash needs to change the core of the this offense. tex and rod excluded due to assumptions of you can’t get rid of those contracts.
This whole team should be mortified at this game. I feel for Jeter and Andy who don’t have many years left
How much has Ichiro helped this club ? What is his value so far ? I know he’s batting .324 (not counting today) since joining the team, even aside from the fact that a dumby stuffed him in the 8th spot for two months.. *hand to forehead* .
Cano would’ve made an out, Ichiro got thrown out to give Cano a hit since he only can with nobody on.
Ugh!
I thought A-Rod looked pretty good right before he got hurt and the first couple games once he came back…. Since then he just looks way off.
Lawrie’s head is going to explode.
If ichiro does not get throw out stealing…someone would have hit into a double play anyway…
‘I thought A-Rod looked pretty good right before he got hurt and the first couple games once he came back…. Since then he just looks way off.”
Since then his performance has been positively Jonesian.
Joba’s going to make an impact this postseason. He looks like he’s much stronger…. great to have another power arm in the ‘pen.
That’s what I thought he was going to do the inning before. But he hadn’t pitched in 5 days. I can’t blame Joba.
A-rod has looked terrible at bat and in the field. Chavy should be playing third.
I’m talking about comparing averages across multiple players and the league…. I don’t think we are on the same page here.
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What does this mean? You can compare anything that has is tracked and has an average. Look the game keeps track of Inherited Runners Scoring%. The league average this year is 29%. I think that is pretty consistent over the years. I’m asking you what do you think is a good rate for an elite reliever? Should it be twice as good as league average? Three times as good as league average? You’re not going to find that elite relievers are consistently as good as you seem to want to believe.
With a league average that hovers between 28-30 Joba was at 0%, 20%, 24%, 20% for the years prior to this one.
Mike Adams, who is a very good reliever, has a career 40% rate.
Had to leave for a while. I see where Joba allowed an inherited runner to score, something that he is allowing now > 50% of the time.
Ichiro needed to get that stolen base when Lincoln was on the mound against A-Rod.
Team still going to the playoffs but might very well need a playoff game next Thursday to see if they go in as a WC or Division winner.
Team is so inconsistent.
Joba needs more work. He is still rusty from the injury time off. Don’t know about the rest of this year. but next year should be huge for Joba.
Yep. Joba pitched just well enough to lose the game.
“Joba’s going to make an impact this postseason. He looks like he’s much stronger…. great to have another power arm in the ‘pen.’
The way things are going, the postseason is gonna consist of one game!
I know it’s whack but I still think we’re going to pull this out. And it certainly isn’t based on anything I’ve seen today or my usual sunny optimism.
Can we make it 1-57?? Please.
Granderson with his 5,000 K this season…
Curtis Granderson couldn’t get off this team soon enough. He is incredibly difficult to watch. A speedy Adam Dunn. A slightly better outfield version of Mark Reynolds. He is not good.
TheStraw September 29th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
I would take the 1996 roster, too, over this one. But that’s not what we have. If you want to assign blame for that, put it on Cashman for not acquiring contact hitters and Girardi for not playing the few that he has on the bench. But you have to play with the hand you are dealt, and considering the all or nothing nature of this offense, 91 wins is nothing to sneeze at. And it’s not all because of the pitching, because they have had their share of hiccups too.
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91 wins is crap with the talent they have and considering the talent on this team vs. the talent on the ’92 team.
It’s not all the pitching, but it is most definitely that way more than the hitting. Where would the 2012 Yanks be without the front four of Sabathia/Kuroda/Pettitte/Hughes and when they were good Nova and Garcia? Fighting for last place with the Red Sox and Toronto.
Yes, this team is an all or nothing offense, but it’s also a bad Yankees-era team in terms of BA and OBP, and again, stats don’t lie. They need to get back to offenses like they had in their championship years: more BA and OBP even if it means less SLG.
I wonder if the Vanguard anime trading card game really has a lot of overlap with baseball fans.
The Grandyman can…whiff with the best of them!
Amazing AB by Granderson there.
His popup fail with the bases loaded and no outs is now feeling more like a piece of his all or nothing trend.
With a league average that hovers between 28-30 Joba was at 0%, 20%, 24%, 20% for the years prior to this one.
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Except for his very first 2 months, he’s been slightly better than league average. I made the point that I want my elite reliever to be much better than league average. You said that no elite relievers are great at it and it’s a stupid stat. I agreed. I don’t know why you are still trying to argue about something that’s not there.
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What % inherited runners were scoring off Joba this year. Last stats thru Sunday’s USA Sports Weekly had 12 od 22 inherited runners scoring off him.
Jays are doing all they can to give away the game but yanks won’t take it.
Ibanez leads the Yanks in one category — taking out opposing fielders. Jerkface, is there a stat for that?
Erson strikes out again. Yes, Erson, because there is nothing “grand” about him anymore…
this is sickening
Holding Jays to 3 should be enough to win the game. This one’s on the offense and Joe…
Yankee Trader September 29th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Had to leave for a while. I see where Joba allowed an inherited runner to score, something that he is allowing now > 50% of the time.
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thank you. this was my whole point.
Raul lucked out after hesitating at the plate.
this game isn’t over but if they lose today it’s much worse than the loss on Friday and even worse than the loss in Minnesota, this is a game they should be up by 5 runs or more.
horribly managed game
The “Boone Logan” screwjob will loom large if we lose today.
the loss was on Thursday, of course…
Gardner has the worst base stealing instincts.
Wow terrible call
thank you. this was my whole point.
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No your whole point was that he was ALWAYS bad at it. Which is incorrect. He has only been bad this season, which is understandable given his return from injury.
Unbelievable.
Still don’t trust this team at all. All or nothing offense against shoddy pitching. Wait til they face number 1 starters in the playoffs..Redsox won’t help tonight as they have tanked. They will fight the Yanks til the very end though..
These umps are bad way too often, so absurd.
NFL replacement official ?
At least Binder came out of his coma.
Safe.
They suck, deserve to lose.
Div is gone, for sure.
You can’t beat the Jays & the Twins this week with this much on the line, you don’t deserve to be in the playoffs.
It’s like I said last year, if you can’t beat Doug Fister then you don’t deserve a title.
If this leads to a 1 game playoff, so be it.
And pretending the offense is fine is height of arrogance. It’s not fine. Over half our lineup poops themselves if a pitcher has any pitch other than a fastball.
This is the worst Yankee offense in a very very long time. Stats may not back that up, but just watching them day in day out tells more than the numbers.
Russell Martin was on deck to pinch hit.
I guess Joe finally realized this is kind of an important game.
Let’s all say this together with Kay: “Another tough loss for the Yankees.”
TheStraw, that is his weakness no doubt. I mean with his speed he should have crazy SB numbers. I’ve noticed that he doesn’t have good instincts and that’s a big problem when you have someone with his speed.. Sure he was safe there due to the hop, but the ball beat him by a mile !
If this is Girardi’s tune-up for the postseason, we should be very, very afraid.
Except for his very first 2 months, he’s been slightly better than league average. I made the point that I want my elite reliever to be much better than league average. You said that no elite relievers are great at it and it’s a stupid stat. I agreed. I don’t know why you are still trying to argue about something that’s not there.
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So you agree that your original point (elite relievers should be way better than league average) is incorrect? Because it seems like you are just saying the methodology of the stat is flawed, not your opinion, which is what I’m suggesting is flawed.
You can get relievers that consistently beat the league average, just not ‘much better than league average’.
I don’t think Raul hesitated. He swings so hard that his body is off balance when he completes his swing. That makes him slow out of the box. As far as I can tell, he always hustles.
Joba didn’t lose this game. The lack of offense has lost this game.
Jerkface September 29th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
thank you. this was my whole point.
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No your whole point was that he was ALWAYS bad at it. Which is incorrect. He has only been bad this season, which is understandable given his return from injury.
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Nope, I said “he’s never been great”…. which he hasn’t been outside of his ’07. He’s been slightly above league average as you showed the previous 3 years and terrible this year. Thus, “never great”. “Never great” does not = “Always bad”
Nope, I said “he’s never been great”…. which he hasn’t been outside of his ’07. He’s been slightly above league average as you showed the previous 3 years and terrible this year. Thus, “never great”. “Never great” does not = “Always bad”
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But no one is consistently ‘great’ at that stat, so being below league average, 2 seasons by 10% and 1 season by 30% is infact GREAT.
Losing to a last place team. Awesome.
What relievers do with inherited runners changes from year to year, just like batting averages.
D-Rob was good at getting out of his own messes quite well. But, not as good with inherited runners, as I recall.
I can’t believe there are actually human beings that don’t want expanded replay in MLB.
You need to change your view of great, because no relievers will fit your definition of it.
ZMANINSJ September 29th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Let’s all say this together with Kay: “Another tough loss for the Yankees.”
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Only after he says, “Do the Yanks have a rally in their bones?”
I’ll answer that question. Yes, the Yanks have a rally in their bones today.
Boone Procter coming in…
What the hell is Girardi doing having Gardner steal second down a run in the bottom of the eighth with a .283 hitter at the plate? Bad call at second but there should’ve never been an attempt. Girardi ever heard of hit-and-run?
He is an awful manager and it has really shown this season:
He has his ACE intentionally walk a nobody to load the bases and face Carlos Pena, grandslam.
He takes out Hughes after only 99 pitches with two outs and brings in a lefty not as good as Rapada in the middle game of Twins series last week.
He bats Granderson and Jones back to back and calls for Gardner to steal a base down a run.
Will this team FINALLY win a game they’re trailing after eight innings? Is two damn runs in the ninth inning too much to ask? Girardi’s bad managing certainly doesn’t help matters.
If this team had even just ONE win where they trailed after eight inning, they’d have a two-game lead on the Os right now and still a one-game lead even if they lost and the Os won today.
Jerkface September 29th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Except for his very first 2 months, he’s been slightly better than league average. I made the point that I want my elite reliever to be much better than league average. You said that no elite relievers are great at it and it’s a stupid stat. I agreed. I don’t know why you are still trying to argue about something that’s not there.
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So you agree that your original point (elite relievers should be way better than league average) is incorrect? Because it seems like you are just saying the methodology of the stat is flawed, not your opinion, which is what I’m suggesting is flawed.
You can get relievers that consistently beat the league average, just not ‘much better than league average’.
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Yeah, I’m surprised that an elite relievers aren’t better but the stats show they aren’t. I bet if you looked into situations that elite relievers come into late in games, it is much more difficult to strand runners inherited which I outlined in a different post. I think most relievers are most comfortable coming in to start an inning anyway especially one’s who have started in the past like Joba.
Yeah, Logan is coming in!!
Well let’s see if my friend karma helps in the 9th. Gardner got screwed on that call. And no offense to our good pal jmills, but the Jays have been accused on stealing signs – don’t know whether it’s true or not. If the Yanks lose this game, it will be frustrating to say the least.
Are any contenders playing great ball right about now? I don’t know the answer but am curious to know. Is everyone beat up and looking relatively shaky?
JF-
If the best relievers in the game are always near the bottom of the statistic, isn’t this stat kind of useless when evaluating pitchers anyway? Obviously it has no effect on who is actually good or not…. I mean I’d take Mike Adams or a prime Scot Shields in my 8th inning anyday.
Do not speak for all of us about jmills, he can go sit in a dumpster.
Pathetic – this is the worst first place Yankee team I have seen.
@mikeaxisa: David Robertson pitched in a five-run game last night. Cody Eppley is pitching in a one-run game.
Tyler and JF-
I made my comments before I read both of yours.
The Yankees will advance as far as the bullpen takes them, and right now I have no confidence in any of them, including Soriano, who reminds me of John Wetteland when he was a Yankee. Somehow got the job done but never made it look easy.
See where Steve Pearce is a Baltimore Oriole again.
I know I am in the minority but I have always said that Gardner is way overrated on this Blog. He is a 4th OF at best and I would have traded him 2 yrs. ago when they could have got something for him.
Can’t beat a AAA jays team. Embarrassing.
“I can’t believe there are actually human beings that don’t want expanded replay in MLB.”
The only reason could be that they don’t give a crap about having the game called correctly, they just like to watch baseball.
If the best relievers in the game are always near the bottom of the statistic, isn’t this stat kind of useless when evaluating pitchers anyway?
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I don’t they are always near the bottom of the statistic, but it seems like for most relievers you tend to pitch around the league average. Joba was actually better for 4 seasons, so I think that is pretty good, considering the rest of MLB cannot consistently beat it. It is like left on base% for a pitcher. It is really flukey year to year.
Haven’t I seen this game before? Score early, waste opportunities and the get shut down by an assortment of pitchers. Gotta tip your hat to pitchers everywhere.
Good God, have we not had enough of Logan? What garbage.
3 run hr would do better to them
So glad they introduced the one-game playoff this year. I’ll only have to sit through three hours of anguish watching this team fail with RISP time after time after time…
You have to be kidding me. Now he’s going to D Rob?
Why not just start the inning with him???
Granderson doesn’t even show any fight at the plate.
Girardi is an AWFUL in game manager….
Trader-
I agree that the ‘pen will be huge. I just don’t have a lot of faith in this lineup against great pitching. Against a guy like Verlander, you have to be able to consistently take advantage of a man on 2nd no outs, man on 3rd 1 out and the Yanks situational hitting hasn’t been very good.
I think the recipe for this team has to be great starting pitching until the 7th and pray that the ‘pen can hold onto some 1 run/2 run leads. I’m most nervous about a postseason without Mariano. It was so nice knowing that the 9th (and even parts of the 8th) were on absolute lockdown.
LOOGY fail.
Add it into all the other fails today.
This is one of those games where’re Yankees demonstrate all the ways they can lose a game despite great starting pitching.
Boonie will now put the game out of reach. But he and Jonesie play because of the Binder’s unnatural love for them.
Steve Pearce is an Oriole again so Buck can get the Yankees signs and give them to Boston/Toronto or keep them for himself in case they match up in playoffs.
That’s it.
And Joe won’t change his signs. He’ll say, “We looked at it and really didn’t see a good reason to do it”.
Time to rip the page out of the binder that says to only bring in Logan when a lefty is needed past the 7th inning. Rapada would have been a better option.
G. Love September 29th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
You can’t beat the Jays & the Twins this week with this much on the line, you don’t deserve to be in the playoffs.
It’s like I said last year, if you can’t beat Doug Fister then you don’t deserve a title.
If this leads to a 1 game playoff, so be it.
And pretending the offense is fine is height of arrogance. It’s not fine. Over half our lineup poops themselves if a pitcher has any pitch other than a fastball.
This is the worst Yankee offense in a very very long time. Stats may not back that up, but just watching them day in day out tells more than the numbers.
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G-love, I agree with all of your posts man. You seem to have the ability to be objective and pragmatic. Most importantly you know baseball and have common sense ! It amazes me that people don’t see what’s right in front of their face. It’s very refreshing to read your posts, please post more.
Girardi’s having a rather poor day.
Trisha-
Angels, Rays, Tigers and O’s are playing well. White Sox, A’s are struggling.
Note to Girardi:
If you want to keep the game to one run late and are going to Robertson if they gets runners on, PUT HIM IN TO START THE INNING!
Jerkface September 29th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
If the best relievers in the game are always near the bottom of the statistic, isn’t this stat kind of useless when evaluating pitchers anyway?
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I don’t they are always near the bottom of the statistic, but it seems like for most relievers you tend to pitch around the league average. Joba was actually better for 4 seasons, so I think that is pretty good, considering the rest of MLB cannot consistently beat it. It is like left on base% for a pitcher. It is really flukey year to year.
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Would you agree that it depends on the situation also. For example, isn’t it logical to assume that a guy who comes in with bases loaded 1 out and does a good job but allows 1 guy to score would be ranked lower than a guy who comes in with a man on first and 2 outs. The guy with the “easier” situation comes out ahead more than likely.
LGY – I really haven’t been one to harp on Girardi too much in the past but these past couple series have been hard to watch in terms of his managing.
Amazing how teams have no trouble scoring against in the 8th and 9th yet we’re done if we’re not ahead by the 7th. And, yes, Girardi has had a nightmare today.
A Blue Jays lineup stacked with AAA players
An assortment of AAA pitchers
2 Bases Loaded/No outs opportunities = 2 runs
1 2 on/no out opportunity
5 innings with leadoff man on
Losing 3-2 to the Toronto BlueJays with the division on the line
It’s simple what to do –
1.) Fire Girardi
2.) Find a way to get Granderson off the team (ARod won’t be possible)
3.) Get some new bullpen arms
4.) Get rid of Nova and find a new pitcher
Very cool.
Make that play important…
Can we take advantage of that piece of luck please? Just once.
Got very lucky there.
Arod gives them a chance to tie its a great play at third.
jackamir September 29th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
I know I am in the minority but I have always said that Gardner is way overrated on this Blog. He is a 4th OF at best and I would have traded him 2 yrs. ago when they could have got something for him.
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I agree. He’s an outstanding of’er, but hasn’t really hit much at all and doesn’t have instinctive
stealing ability. He’s quick & fast is about all.
Law of large numbers says NYYs win first game of season after trailing in 8th.
Potentially two losses to a bad team where the opposing starters had ERAs well over 5 and the Yanks have scored exactly TWO runs, neither on a hit.
‘Looks like we’ll be rooting for the Red Sox tonight even more hahaha. I hope it’s “even less” (looong overdue Yankee comeback win.)
‘Way I look at it the Yanks and Red Sox are too good to not come out of today with at least one win between them (or that’s the way I want to see it LOL.)
Wow, A-Rod finally did something that had to do with producing runs (he saved the Yanks from potentially giving up more runs.)
And why does Boone continue to get called on before Rapada?
Rapada is WAY better vs LHBs!
Yankees need this game desperately. Let’s hope they can at least tie it up in the 9th.
Caught a break, maybe Arod gets up with a guy on and lucks into one…
Martin, Jeter and Ichiro – work some walks, hope for some extra base hits. I have such little faith in this team right now but still hold out some hope that MAYBE they can steal this one.
Straw – thanks.
This may finally be the year that Joe’s poor in-game managing costs them. The question is, will anything be one about it?
G.Love,
I also agree. If they can’t beat these teams they don’t deserve it.
Would you agree that it depends on the situation also. For example, isn’t it logical to assume that a guy who comes in with bases loaded 1 out and does a good job but allows 1 guy to score would be ranked lower than a guy who comes in with a man on first and 2 outs. The guy with the “easier” situation comes out ahead more than likely.
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Yes, you’re right that Mo probably comes into games where it would be very difficult to not give up a run. You cannot know if a guy with a very good rate comes into more games with a runner on first. Or the outs. or whatever. They should broaden that stat, and they can because we have all the data for the games.
“TheStraw September 29th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Trisha-
Angels, Rays, Tigers and O’s are playing well. White Sox, A’s are struggling.”
At this point in the year, you are only as good as the last game u played. A’s and Sox won last night.
That is a terrible strike call. This ump is awful.
Binder after the game: you’ve got to tip your hat to the TB pitchers. They made pitches when they had to.
This kind of horsebull umping game and performance by the team is enough to drive me up a wall.
Nice start to the inning
Jerkface September 29th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Would you agree that it depends on the situation also. For example, isn’t it logical to assume that a guy who comes in with bases loaded 1 out and does a good job but allows 1 guy to score would be ranked lower than a guy who comes in with a man on first and 2 outs. The guy with the “easier” situation comes out ahead more than likely.
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Yes, you’re right that Mo probably comes into games where it would be very difficult to not give up a run. You cannot know if a guy with a very good rate comes into more games with a runner on first. Or the outs. or whatever. They should broaden that stat, and they can because we have all the data for the games.
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I totally agree. If I had to guess on why it is so flukey/elite relievers relatively struggle, I would look at the situational effects.
LGY September 29th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
And why does Boone continue to get called on before Rapada?
Rapada is WAY better vs LHBs!
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Because all of a sudden Girardi turned into a ‘gut’ manager.
I’m so confused… are we in a race here? Is now that time to be a different manager than you’ve been for most of your tenure? Did I imagine Girardi used to play it more by the numbers?
This is what I mean about the positives of having an attitude that it is unacceptable to lose (even knowing you cannot go 162-0). You need that to be the expectations, and you need everyone to buy in.
Not su
Remember, this is an OLD TEAM with no more days off. Long game last night, the only 1:00 game today in all of baseball. I just hope the Red Sox actually care tonight. And you also have to remember that Jeter can’t carry this team all season. AND remember that Toronto won 2 games in Baltimore this week. They are playing much better.
This is an absolutely brutal loss.
Good thing Stewie batted.
If they lose you can look back at the vases loaded with no-one out and failing tp get any runs. 2 out it looks like we desperately need a Red Sox win tonight.
can’t believe this team plays like this with so much at stake. Pretty pathetic game today..
Do the balls have to come near the plate to be called strikes?
This game shows all of the Yanks issues this year. Can’t situational hit, no hits with risp. Jones is totally useless, Granderson strikes out in big situations. Take out the starter and a reliever not named Robertson or Soriano blows it. This is an awful game to lose. The offense totally blew this one.
Yankee have the 2nd easiest finishing schedule. The Tigers the 1st.
If they go in as the WC and lose, expect some big changes.
Off to watch the Ryder Cup.
Well Ichiro gives them a chance. This is what happens when you PUT THE BALL IN PLAY. Not like Jones with the bases juiced taking a ridiculous swing.
Awesome playoff baseball from these awesome Yankees
Boy this would be a great time for an ARod moment…
C’mon Arod, one time!
Ichiro is amazing. He put that ball in play where he wanted to.
Or not.
Wow, A-Rod comes through yet again. This team is just awful.
Wow Arod really doesn’t have any power anymore. A couple of years ago and that ball is 5 rows back.
In the words of my grandmother.. ‘disgrazia!!’
Pathetic.
And I literally jumped out of my seat when he hit it for one second. Then I forgot this is the post-PED A-Rod and it’s a lazy fly ball.
Lol
Very very tough game, according to kay
Yay Yankees.
Horrible loss
Getting harder to feel any excitement about the postseason. I hope the feeling goes away.
After the first inning, I was hoping today would be another great day for the offense. Boy was I wrong…
If we had Cespedes we would have won this game.
Going to the World Series with this monster team.
This is the type of game I thought we could avoid with a return to health by our big bats.
This is the type of game that deflates my confidence in the team’s ability to win playoff series.
trisha – true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Boy this would be a great time for an ARod moment…
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I’m afraid that was it Trish. He’s not the same hitter any longer.
Nice to see you mick…
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I know what I’m not going to bother to do. I’m not going to waste any time listening to the postgame.
G. Love September 29th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
You can’t beat the Jays & the Twins this week with this much on the line, you don’t deserve to be in the playoffs.
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Well said. +1
On another note, Can you believe it took 2 months for our mediocre manager to realize that the guy he stuffed in the 8th spot is the best hitter and arguably best player on our team ?
The roof closing in Toronto – symbolic of the Yankees playoff hopes
This kind of loss at this time of year is just awful.
If the Yanks make the playoffs, it will be a quick one and done for them.
Better things to do with my time at the moment. Looking forward to Girardi’s post game excuses.
Good job by the usual suspects. Carbon copy of about 2 dozen
games this year.
Memo to Binder Joe: One of the definitions of insanity is doing the
same thing over and over and expecting different results.
PATHETIC display of baseball from a team on a pennant race. Girardi treated this game like he has a big lead in the division and now will suffer for his idiocy. Underachieving lineup top to bottom.
If you judged by this game, they don’t deserve to go to the playoffs, and may not get in anyway.
PATHETIC!
5 LOB for Jones in 2 AB’s….that’s pathetic.
Yet he gets the nod time after time…
A-rod has 2 choices:
RETIRE (we could only be so lucky)
or
Find some new PED…..
Uncle Tom Granderson could at least show some fight in AB’s instead of just striking out….