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Game 160: Yankees vs. Red Sox

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Gameday Thread on Oct 01, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

YANKEES (92-67)
Derek Jeter SS
Ichiro Suzuki LF
Alex Rodriguez DH
Robinson Cano 2B
Mark Teixeira 1B
Nick Swisher RF
Curtis Granderson CF
Russell Martin C
Eric Chavez 3B

LHP CC Sabathia (14-6, 3.42)
Sabathia vs. Red Sox

RED SOX (69-90)
Pedro Ciriaco 2B
Daniel Nava LF
Cody Ross RF
Mauro Gomez 1B
Ryan Lavarnway DH
Jarrod Saltalamacchia C
Danny Valencia 3B
Che-Hsuan Lin CF
Jose Iglesias SS

RHP Clay Buchholz (11-7, 4.22)
Buchholz vs. Yankees

TIME/TV: 7:05 p.m., YES Network

WEATHER: Temperatures in the 60s. Actually feels really nice out.

UMPIRES: HP Dan Iassogna, 1B Bill Miller, 2B CB Bucknor, 3B Dale Scott

IN THE POSTSEASON: The Yankees clinched a postseason berth with yesterday’s win and the Angels’ loss. It?marks the Yankees’ 51st postseason appearance, most for any MLB franchise, and their 17th postseason appearance in the last 18 years. Joe Girardi has become the fourth Yankees manager to lead the team to four consecutive postseasons, joining Joe McCarthy, Casey Stengel and Joe Torre.

THE CAPTAIN: According to Elias, Derek Jeter’s 213 hits are the most in a season by a player who entered the year with 3,000 or more career hits, surpassing Ty Cobb’s previous mark of 211 hits in 1922 and ‘24.

NUMBERS GAME: Outside of Cody Ross and Jarrod Saltalamacchia, none of the Red Sox starting position players has more than five home runs this season, and only one of those has more than three. Four of their final five hitters are batting below .200.

UPDATE, 7:35 p.m.: Sabathia leaves a runner stranded at third base and the game is still scoreless heading into the bottom of the second. Need some offense (how many times has that been true lately?).

UPDATE, 7:38 p.m.: There’s the offense. A long home run for Cano for a 1-0 Yankees lead. That’s his 31st of the season.

UPDATE, 7:43 p.m.: Add a two-run shot by Granderson and it’s 3-0.

UPDATE, 7:45 pm.: Looks like a Red Sox fan tried to interfer, but it also looks like Martin’s ball legitimately went out for a 4-0 lead. Hard to tell though, might have hit the top of the wall. Couldn’t definitively argue with either call.

UPDATE, 8:01 p.m.: Impressive. The Yankees have knocked Buchholz out in the second inning. They’ve scored seven runs this inning, and now it’s Alfredo Aceves — of all people — coming in to pitch.

UPDATE, 8:06 p.m.: Good grief. Welcome back Teixiera. There’s a two-run homer, his 24th of the season, and it’s a 9-0 Yankees lead with two outs in the second.

UPDATE, 8:09 p.m.: Third time in Yankees history that they’ve hit four homers in a single inning, and Swisher nearly made it five homers in the inning. If he’d gone deep there, the over-under on the number of time “bro” would have been said in the postgame interview would have been off the charts!

UPDATE, 8:53 p.m.: Sabathia through the fifth with a 9-1 lead, meanwhile the out-of-town scoreboard shows the Orioles have come back to tie the Rays at 1.

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634 Responses to “Game 160: Yankees vs. Red Sox”

  1. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    GO CC!!!

    GO YANKS!!!

    GO RAYS!!!

  2. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    Can I get a shout out from all my Team Greedy peoples?!

    I gotta get this roster together. We need to compile our greediness for wins in preparation for the PS where we will most definitely want ALL the wins.

  3. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    We have this game. The Rays have theirs. That’s the way I see it!!!

    I have lots of energy tonight.

    Yahoo!!!! Psyched!

    :)

  4. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    BB in a few. Gotta run a quick errand. (Just finished up work – as much as I can finish for today, or I would have done it earlier.)

  5. kd October 1st, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    great to see the enthusiasm trisha!

    just take care of business and the division is ours!

  6. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    I don’t care who wins… I just hope the Rays and O’s play back to back to back 15 inning games.

    Is that really so much to ask? ;)

  7. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    Lavarnway hit CC well when he pitched against them. I think sneaky Cirky got a hit also.

  8. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    Also – I never trust Ross. Man has power.

  9. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    trisha – You’ve got your priorities all askew!! You gotta learn from the rest of us and only give your work 50% effort so you can save the rest for LoHud lol.

  10. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    blake’s in charge of shoving his fingers in peoples mouths all day, you don’t see him letting that slow him down…

  11. MoRings42 October 1st, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    14 more wins to go

  12. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    Lets go Yanks and lets go rays!

    Got both games on…. I am VERY happy we are not having to play in the trop right now.

  13. MG October 1st, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    CC IS NOT AN ACE!!!!!!!

  14. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    The top 10 hitters in the AL by OPS are Trout, Cabrera, Cano, Encarnacion, Beltre, Fielder, Hamilton, Willingham and Butler.

    At Safeco Field this year in a combined 204 PAs, they have posted a line of .223/.279/.314.

  15. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    1-2-3 first for cobb! rays coming to bat.

    Man… that place is rockin tonight. LOL

  16. JobaTipsHisCap October 1st, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    That is your arod. Unwatchable

  17. NYY fan in NH October 1st, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    Arod with a weak swing…

  18. MG October 1st, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    Arod looks worse than Tiger Woods playing a Rider Cup match…

  19. JobaTipsHisCap October 1st, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    Jersey shore is the ugliest tv program.

  20. LGY October 1st, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    At Safeco Field this year in a combined 204 PAs, they have posted a line of .223/.279/.314.

    ——-

    Yikes. Something weird is going on at that park this year.

  21. tomingeorgia October 1st, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    Golly, that was a good nap. Sorry to be late. Let’s go, boys!

  22. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    RISPFAIL by the rays. Going to the second 0-0.

  23. Madrugador October 1st, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    How often does the team that scores first, win the game?

  24. Wang IS Taiwan October 1st, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    Can we please start batting Arod 8th? I also hate to waste the DH slot with him. Would rather have Nunez batting.

    How many more years of this???

  25. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    The team that is winning after the first inning wins 70% of the time, I don’t know about scoring first. This will be bias’d towards pitchers that are bad and who are more likely to be losing after 1, but best I can do. Can’t find the stat for scoring first but I thought it was around .560

  26. Wang IS Taiwan October 1st, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    Yes, CC!

    Now let’s start hitting.

  27. Bring in the Goose October 1st, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    I still cannot believe Arod has the third worst SLG % in this lineup, behind Martin and Suzuki.

    Man has to find some magic beans again, and before the weekend.

  28. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    Atta boy CC.

    Game in tampa is going to the bottom of the 2nd 0-0.

    Right now the rays are all swinging for the fences. Cobb as looked pretty good.

  29. Madrugador October 1st, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    I also saw the 70% number but could find little else. Thanks.

  30. Wang IS Taiwan October 1st, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    That’s what I’m talkin’ about.

  31. LGY October 1st, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    Cano is on fire.

    Perfect timing.

  32. yankeefeminista October 1st, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    No sabes?!

  33. Madrugador October 1st, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    Whatever the incidence of winning when scoring first, I am much happier being up first.

  34. jackamir October 1st, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    Holy Canolli—–Hot at the right time!!!!

  35. tomingeorgia October 1st, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    OK, Robinson. Just the start tonight.

  36. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 7:13 pm
    The top 10 hitters in the AL by OPS are Trout, Cabrera, Cano, Encarnacion, Beltre, Fielder, Hamilton, Willingham and Butler.

    At Safeco Field this year in a combined 204 PAs, they have posted a line of .223/.279/.314.

    Cano career .845 OPS at Safeco. Good hitters hit anywhere.

    All the Yankees combined hit .263/.345/.414 at Safeco this year.

  37. LGY October 1st, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    Cano career .845 OPS at Safeco. Good hitters hit anywhere.

    ——-

    Stadiums don’t have the same conditions every year.

  38. Niblick October 1st, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    Tex’s calf keep him from taking the bat off his shoulders?

  39. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    Cano! what a shot.

    In tampa… 0-0 going into the third.

  40. kd October 1st, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    at work, how did tex look? comfortable in the box?

  41. LGY October 1st, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    Wow. Quick hands.

  42. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    LGY October 1st, 2012 at 7:39 pm
    Cano career .845 OPS at Safeco. Good hitters hit anywhere.

    ——-

    Stadiums don’t have the same conditions every year.

    Was there a dramatic change at Safeco?

    Anyway, it’s a fluke stat, and JF probably knows it.

    Top 10 in the AL by OPS hit .223/.279/.314 at Safeco, but just the Yankees hit .263/.345/.414.

  43. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    Insane to keep that fair

  44. tomingeorgia October 1st, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    Granderson, my man!

  45. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    Back and THRILLED! I have to say listening to NESN is actually comforting tonight because they seem to have more respect for our players than a lot of our posters do.

    OH MY GOD RUSSELL!!!

  46. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    I think that lands on the corner or top of the wall, hard to tell exactly.

  47. kd October 1st, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    this is exactly what we needed.

    hopefully cc will cruise from here on in

  48. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    All opposing teams hit .227 .286 .337 .622 in SafeCo, Jacksquat. That is way below league average.

  49. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    Something they said about Tex really hits home with me and I always feel the same way. Just his presence in the lineup is meaningful, and you can’t say enough about his defense.

    I AM SO PUMPED!

  50. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    Nicely done, MONSTER shots tonight..

    And that guy out there is the only Boston fan I like.

  51. LGY October 1st, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    Was there a dramatic change at Safeco?

    Anyway, it’s a fluke stat, and JF probably knows it.

    ——–

    SafeCo has an historically low run scoring park factor this season.

    Could be the weather. something weird has happened at that park this season that doesn’t line up with past years.

  52. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    Remy and Orsillo both called it a home run by the way.

    ************

    THIS is what I want to see in games. Now it lets our starter pitch his game without having to be too fine. Early offense.

  53. comet October 1st, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    If the NYY and the Orioles tie for first place is there a payoff or are there tiebreakers that are used? TIA!

  54. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    Anyway, thanks to the guy in the Pedroia jersey. :D

  55. JobaTipsHisCap October 1st, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    Kill those sux

  56. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 7:46 pm
    All opposing teams hit .227 .286 .337 .622 in SafeCo, Jacksquat. That is way below league average.

    I’m not saying it’s not a crappy place to hit, but your example is flukey. The Yankees hit better there this year than the top 10 OPS players.

  57. Madrugador October 1st, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    Buchholz has given up 22 home runs in 188 innings. I guess his performance supports the “who cares” mentality Boston is playing with.

  58. Bring in the Goose October 1st, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    Clay living up to expectations. Love it.

  59. TheStraw October 1st, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    Now how about some help from the Rays….

  60. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    I swear to God I never thought I’d feel this way but I almost feel pity for the Sux. You talk about a shell of a team.

  61. jackamir October 1st, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    Trish, No YES for you tonight!!! Kay, Singy & Cone—The A- Team…..

  62. JobaTipsHisCap October 1st, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    46 pitches, cool

  63. Madrugador October 1st, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    Jeter with 16 pitches in two at bats over two innings.

  64. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    jackamir, Remy and Orsillo are really giving huge props to our guys. You gotta love it.

    Aceves up in the pen.

  65. kd October 1st, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    can’t leave him in much longer, can they? risking an arm injury at this point

  66. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    I’m not saying it’s not a crappy place to hit, but your example is flukey. The Yankees hit better there this year than the top 10 OPS players.

    Well someone has to hit better than the average for it to be an average. The Yankees batting line was 45% better than the league average at SafeCo. They also only had 3 games there

  67. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    jackamir – I am loaded with energy! Feeling great so I have nothing but energy.

    :)

  68. Madrugador October 1st, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Puttin’ a little pressure on the O’s who for sure are watching the score board.

  69. TheStraw October 1st, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Ichiro continues to set the table…..

  70. JobaTipsHisCap October 1st, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Yanks have a rare good offense night.

  71. Nick in SF October 1st, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Hit with RISP that does not score a runner. Yanks just adding to their WORLD RECORD in that category by now, no?

  72. kd October 1st, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    a grand slam right now would be awesome

  73. jackamir October 1st, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    Keep the line moving… Ichi —the man makes contact!!!

  74. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    Anyone know what Ichiro’s home/road splits were before he came to the Yankees? I’m wondering if this is rejuvenated/motivated Ichiro or Safeco just really killed him. Although with his hitting style I don’t know if the park should affect him much.

  75. Madrugador October 1st, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    Sorry for the Sox?!
    Their first time losing more than 90 games since 1966?
    No, I am not sorry for the Sox.

  76. TheStraw October 1st, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    Good job, Al. Keep tacking on, boys!

  77. Nick in SF October 1st, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    I posted some stat about Ichiro’s splits just after the trade. His road stats were better, just like they are for most of the M’s hitters, and his road splits vs. RHP were much, much better.

    Hey Robbie Cano!!!!

  78. TheStraw October 1st, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    Cano is en fuego!

  79. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    Here comes Aceves. :mrgreen:

  80. hardwired7 October 1st, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    Free laptops for everyone!

  81. comet October 1st, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    If the NYY and the Orioles tie for first place is there a payoff or are there tiebreakers that are used? TIA!

  82. yankeefeminista October 1st, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    No sabes?!!

  83. kd October 1st, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    this is glorious

  84. Madrugador October 1st, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    Given that I thought yesterday’s game was over when it was 5-1, I won’t make any predictions but……

  85. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    Ichiro @ Home: .214 .255 .289
    Ichiro @ Road: .297 .314 .402

    Ichiro @ His New, Most Favorite Home In The World: .379 .407 .602
    Ichiro @ The Road He Used To Love Until He Found Yankee Stadium: .282 .292 .336

  86. Don October 1st, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    So long laptops!

  87. Yankees_Fan October 1st, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    Yanks are awake. Pressure’s on the O’s for a change.

  88. Triple Short of a Cycle October 1st, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    How are teams consistently unable to hit the pathetic O’s pitching???

  89. Tyler October 1st, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    This has been a great performance. This is a great opportunity to really wear down the Sox ‘pen for the next 2 games.

  90. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    In tampa…. 0-0 going into the bottom of the 4th. Cmon rays… time to put up some offense.

  91. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    @jonbernhardt

    Even if TB gave up and decided to play their prospects the O’s would still be at a disadvantage to NYY because unlike Boston, TB has some

  92. JobaTipsHisCap October 1st, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    Kill those sux tomorrow and wed.
    Very good start for the series.

  93. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    Magrudor – they just look so pathetic to me. Of course, if they suddenly turned into a trojan horse, I might have to rethink my pity!

    :)

  94. MG October 1st, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    the Yankees have now scored 15 runs in the last 5 innings, right?

  95. TheStraw October 1st, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    Teix!

  96. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    This is just what the Doctor ordered.

  97. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    Sweeeeeet.

  98. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    YAAY TEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  99. Tyler October 1st, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    Hard to believe that Aceves has 10 losses. His win-loss record was always impeccable on the Yanks.

  100. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    Alfredo sauce. :)

  101. Yankees_Fan October 1st, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    Welcome back, Tex message!

  102. Don October 1st, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    This is a great inning.

  103. PacoDooley October 1st, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    Nice to have you back Mr Teixeira, we missed you.

  104. kd October 1st, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    100% what he needed. tex hitting a home run is great for his confidence

  105. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    I am so happy for Tex!

  106. Yankees_Fan October 1st, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    Teix message has been missed! Welcome back!

  107. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    If the Yankees can be the ‘hot team’ in the playoffs…

  108. LGY October 1st, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    This is entertaining

  109. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    This is reaching rain delay length for CC, warm up Garcia.

  110. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    1-0 Rays!!!

  111. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    Exactly… if you can just get on a roll..

  112. Tyler October 1st, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 8:07 pm
    If the Yankees can be the ‘hot team’ in the playoffs…
    —————————————

    That’s all it takes. The Yanks definitely have the talent to win it all. It’s just whether or not it all comes together for roughly 15-19 games.

  113. Yankees_Fan October 1st, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    I can keep watching this inning all night long. Don’t bother ending it.

    Tampa grabs a lead!

  114. Bret The Hitman October 1st, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    I don’t think the Rays want to be displaced by the Orioles. I feel they will definitely not tank those games. They will fight hard to keep their status in the division.

    Meanwhile BJ Upton has 28 HR and he’s looking like a good buy. His stock has gone up but so what? If you can bring back Ichiro cheaply, BJ Upton could fit.

    Ichiro really loves YS eh? The guy is cut out for this gig. They really need to bring him back. Jeter-Ichiro is so devastating atop the lineup.

  115. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    And it’s so nice to have peace in the forum valley.

  116. PacoDooley October 1st, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    This is a team that is showing that they want to make a statement and a big push into the postseason. Hopefully they can put on a similar show with Matsusaka on the mound.

    BTW, this game feels like it could go on forever – can we get to 20…

  117. Wang IS Taiwan October 1st, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    I hope this doesn’t get the team into a swing for the fences mentality. We need hits. Period.

  118. Tyler October 1st, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    Bret-

    I definitely agree…. Maddon isn’t going to lay down. He’ll take pride in at least making life miserable for the O’s

  119. TheStraw October 1st, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    Rays lead 1-0.

  120. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    I can’t watch any more of a rout. I will stay in Tampa for a while though and give updates as they happen!

  121. Bret The Hitman October 1st, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    Aldredo = TROJAN HORSE.

    Operation Sabotage nearly complete.

  122. Wang IS Taiwan October 1st, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    Thank you Zobrist.

  123. ConcernedCitizen October 1st, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    How long as CC been sitting at this point?

  124. Madrugador October 1st, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    Tampa up 1-0 bottom 4th.

    Trisha- No Crying in Baseball!!

  125. Wang IS Taiwan October 1st, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    What a inning!

  126. LGY October 1st, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    What is the fascination with BJ Upton?

  127. PacoDooley October 1st, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    Bret The Hitman October 1st, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    Ichiro really loves YS eh? The guy is cut out for this gig. They really need to bring him back. Jeter-Ichiro is so devastating atop the lineup.

    ——————————-

    He’s been my favorite player since he came into the league (at least to watch), so it is just so much fun to see him play in NY and play so well. Makes me a little sad that he didn’t come here when his last contract ended. He was loyal and got stuck on that awful Seattle team…

  128. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    At this rate Cano may get to 100 rbi yet.

  129. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    And Yanks – save some runs!!!

    I always get concerned when they get a ton of runs and seem to run out of energy the next game. Not always but it happens.

  130. jackamir October 1st, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    This is too good tco be true!!! Could you just see Buck’s face looking at the scoreboard …

  131. Yankees_Fan October 1st, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    Haven’t been paying attention but are the Rays definitely eliminated from postseason? No chance at the second WC? I know Yanks and Os are in.

  132. comet October 1st, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    Hey Shame and Trisha!

  133. mick October 1st, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    9-0….Hello.

  134. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    “Trisha- No Crying in Baseball!!”

    :lol:

    But I do it a lot! I tear up when the Ys do something great and I teared up when Tex got his homer because I was so happy for him.

    Always happy tears though, ha ha.

  135. JobaTipsHisCap October 1st, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    1-0!!!

  136. NYY fan in NH October 1st, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    This here is the Yankee team i’ve come to know. Beating the crap out of sub .500 teams. Go Rays!!

  137. NYY_Girl_Penny October 1st, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    oh wow, the yankees had their HR inning off a broken buckholz .. who cares ? I am glad they’ll get the W, but don’t act like it means anything positive other than a W. Really, all that is going to do is encourage them to be more “HR or nothing” in the post season and we’ll get to see them choke as result.

    Brought to you by your daily dose of reality!

  138. MG October 1st, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    that has to qualify as the best Yankee inning of the year with the probable exception of the big come from behind win against the Sox when they were down by about 7 runs.

    In terms of putting the hurt on the baseball, though, this is probably #1 in the last 10 years, they absolutely mashed every hit that inning.

  139. mick October 1st, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    And it’s so nice to have peace in the forum valley.
    ===========================
    The Civil War is over!
    And LoHud has won…

  140. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    IT’s been a looooong time since we have blown a team out. Enjoying every second of this bad boy.

  141. Wang IS Taiwan October 1st, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    Bret,

    Was just talking to a baseball fan here in Taiwan yesterday (huge Ichirio fan, but also a Yankees fan) and he told me that Ichiro’s wife was the one who really wanted to stay in Seattle. What a mistake. So many more chances to play in the playoffs in NYC.

    He obviously regrets that decision.

  142. Tyler October 1st, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    Yankees_Fan October 1st, 2012 at 8:13 pm
    Haven’t been paying attention but are the Rays definitely eliminated from postseason? No chance at the second WC? I know Yanks and Os are in.
    —————————————————-

    I believe that the Rays need to sweep and the A’s have to get swept. They are 3 back with 3 to play. Very remote chance.

  143. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    “The Civil War is over!
    And LoHud has won…”

    You couldn’t have said it any better mick. Lohud is indeed the winner.

  144. Bret The Hitman October 1st, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    BJ Upton is a 30-30 candidate. His closest comp is Adam Jones – CF, power, speed, righty. The only thing is Upton doesn’t make as much contact. He is a poor man’s Adam Jones but still that’s a solid ballplayer.

    Gardner will never be Ichiro.

  145. MG October 1st, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    could this Lin guy create the Sox version of ‘Lin-sanity’?

    tune in next year, folks…

  146. LGY October 1st, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Please don’t tell me Kay is going to start talking sabermetrics again.

  147. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Rays making me nervous… need some more runs! but… they are winning!

  148. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    Michael kay channeling his inner Brian Kenny with all this sabrmetric talk.

  149. NYY_Girl_Penny October 1st, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:12 pm
    And Yanks – save some runs!!!

    I always get concerned when they get a ton of runs and seem to run out of energy the next game. Not always but it happens.

    —–

    more often than not.. wait a second, is this the same Trisha ?

  150. MG October 1st, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    How big is the crowd at the Trop? I’m guessing the over/under is about 12,000…

  151. TheStraw October 1st, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    Any guy that wins a Triple Crown should be MVP.

  152. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    So our wishlist would be for the Ys to sweep, the Rangers to win the next 2 and lose the third, and for the Rays to win the next two. The third is up to you!

    Then The Ys would win the division and end up witt the best record.

  153. NYY_Girl_Penny October 1st, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    I’d say the best thing that could happen to this team is that Cano is coming around.. please let him stay this hot for the next few weeks and we’ll be in good shape!

  154. LGY October 1st, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    Why would you pay inflated free agent money for a poor man’s Adam Jones when the Yankees have such limited resources to spend?

  155. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    “more often than not.. wait a second, is this the same Trisha ?”

    I ALWAYS counsel the Yanks to save some runs. At no time in the season is it more important than right now!

  156. Tyler October 1st, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    TheStraw October 1st, 2012 at 8:18 pm
    Any guy that wins a Triple Crown should be MVP.
    ———————————————-

    Winning a Triple Crown is obviously incredible but I think that base running and defense also should be factors for MVP. Cabrera is going to win because he will make the playoffs but if the Angels were in, I’d still lean toward Trout. Cabrera is fantastic though… can’t lose with either.

  157. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    BJ Upton is hitting .247 .299 .457 .756 past 3 seasons: .242 .317 .437 .754

    He has a lot of HRs, but he is exactly the kind of player the Yankees should move away from… Now if he comes extremely cheap, and they can trade Granderson for someone I guess they could have him as a stopgap / 4th OFer, but as a straight up replacement no way.

    Plus he is a righty coming into a stadium that is tougher on righties.

  158. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    If cano can stay hot and we can just get productive ab’s from alex… we will be in good shape.

  159. Tyler October 1st, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    I’d rather keep Granderson for another year and let Williams/Heathcott continue to develop than sign Upton..

  160. LGY October 1st, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Angels have a better record than the Tigers but Cabrera should win the MVP because the Tigers will be in the playoffs.

    SMH Ken Singleton

  161. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    1-0 rays going into the bottom of the 5th.

    12 more outs go! cmon Rays!!! just get to rodney!!!

  162. Bret The Hitman October 1st, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    They’re going to sign Ichiro – that’s a given.

    And since they will not have Gardner and Ichiro at the corners, I think the choice is between BJ Upton and Melky Cabrera.

    Pick your poison.

  163. Nick in SF October 1st, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    The Yanks are adrenaline junkies. They need to feel a little risk, such as going down 5-1 yesterday while the O’s were winning. Then they flip the switch and BAM they come back and win the game and go up 9-0 today.

    Of course, having CC on the mound, Tex back, and the Red Sox in the visiting dugout helps too.

  164. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    SMH Ken Singleton

    Not to mention the Angels have like a .700 winning percentage since Trout has been on the team, he had no control over their 5-16 start

  165. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    What’s up comet!!

    I’m so glad this game is gonna allow me to enjoy some Monday Night Football.. usually at this time of year I’m all like ‘I don’t care about your fantasy team!!!’ but right now I’m feeling very at peace lol.

  166. Tyler October 1st, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    LGY October 1st, 2012 at 8:22 pm
    Angels have a better record than the Tigers but Cabrera should win the MVP because the Tigers will be in the playoffs.

    SMH Ken Singleton
    ———————————————–

    It doesn’t make a ton of sense but this is how it’s going to be looked at. The playoffs are the barometer… get in and you have a chance, regardless of it being easier to get in playing in the Central than in the West.

  167. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    And since they will not have Gardner and Ichiro at the corners, I think the choice is between BJ Upton and Melky Cabrera.

    Pick your poison.

    Well if those are the only options then Melky definitely.

  168. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    Love some of the final pairings. You know that the MLB scheduler hand-picked these to get (what they thought to be) big attendance at the final games. They went with what they thought would be hot pairings.

  169. LGY October 1st, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    And since they will not have Gardner and Ichiro at the corners, I think the choice is between BJ Upton and Melky Cabrera.

    Pick your poison.

    —————

    You really think Brian Cashman will be sitting in his office this winter deciding between Melky and BJ Upton?

  170. JobaTipsHisCap October 1st, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    Trout stinks, hopefully he won’t win MVP.

  171. Tyler October 1st, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    I think Melky could put up good numbers next year. Testosterone doesn’t magically make you a .340 hitter. He’s got talent and if he can keep working hard, there’s no reason he can’t hit .300 consistently.

  172. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    Gardner doesn’t have to be Ichiro, he’s making $2.8mil. And after basically not playing this year, he won’t make much more next year.

  173. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    Said the same thing about the Ys. It’s almost like they need to feel big pressure before they come to life.

    I never understood people who started to work on term papers at the beginning of the semester when they weren’t due until the final week. I couldn’t bring myself to start until maybe the last week of the semester. Then I was in full panic mode! Hard to explain, but the story of my life.

    :)

  174. Wang IS Taiwan October 1st, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    I hate the thought of “rewarding” Melky after his cheating by having the Yanks sign him.

  175. Bret The Hitman October 1st, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    Well fans would point to the character stuff with Melky. But ya never know. Maybe he would accept a 1 year deal with his original team and remake his image. Maybe he will reject multiyear offers in order to be a Yankee again or maybe he won’t get any multiyear offers. Maybe he prefers a 1-year deal. If Cashman would overlook the makeup stuff and the organization believes in second chances maybe there’s a match. On a short-term deal I think Melky definitely makes more sense than BJ Upton. And if he hits close to what he did in KC and SF or somewhere in between then he’s a better fit for the lineup than BJ Upton.

  176. Bret The Hitman October 1st, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    LGY,

    You really think Cashman would do anything other than sign an OF?

  177. Tyler October 1st, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    Wang IS Taiwan October 1st, 2012 at 8:28 pm
    I hate the thought of “rewarding” Melky after his cheating by having the Yanks sign him.
    ——————————————-

    Mark McGwire is still employed as a hitting coach for the Cardinals.. somebody is going to sign him. He’s not going to be ostracized from baseball.

  178. Nick in SF October 1st, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    The SF Giants are reportedly considering bringing Melky back next season, even though they are not going to activate him this October.

  179. Tyler October 1st, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    I could see Melky staying in SF.

  180. Wang IS Taiwan October 1st, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    The steriods obviously DO help — we’ve witnessed what they did for those seeking new contracts in the day who suddenly were hitting lights out (Boon comes to mind), but I have to admit that Melky’s weight loss, and healthy diet must have helped to a degree. He was even willing to stop drinking. That takes discipline.

  181. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    I wouldn’t want Melky back because I think it would reflect badly on the Yankees and people would always wonder if he was still on drugs. I also think that having him and Robby separated is a good thing.

  182. Wang IS Taiwan October 1st, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    Tyler — I think it’s obvious someone will sign Melky; I just don’t want the Yanks to be the ones to do it.

  183. Tyler October 1st, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    High levels of testosterone help boost your recovery time after workouts. It allowed Melky to work harder and at a greater level. It didn’t boost his hand-eye coordination.

  184. Wang IS Taiwan October 1st, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    Agreed, Trisha.

  185. Tyler October 1st, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    Wang-

    That’s fair. I honestly don’t think the Yanks would do it anyway. I’d guess he stays in SF.

  186. LGY October 1st, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    Bret The Hitman October 1st, 2012 at 8:29 pm
    LGY,

    You really think Cashman would do anything other than sign an OF?

    ———–

    Of course the Yankees will do something about RF.

    BJ Upton or Melky are more fantasy than Crawford though. Cashman basically called Melky a fat 4th OF when his positive test was revealed.

  187. Wang IS Taiwan October 1st, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    Tyler, I think all of us have a good understanding re steriods at this point.

  188. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    Melky…. would be a hell of a lot cheaper than BJ.

    But I really don’t think that’s plan A and B right there…I think plan A is resign Ichiro and plan B is pray to god Gardner plays a ton of games next year.

  189. Wang IS Taiwan October 1st, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    Tyler — yep, I would be surprised if he doesn’t. I also think those fans would be forgiving, considering how well he was liked there pre-announcement.

  190. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    I wonder if red sox management wants the team to lose the next 3 games to help their draft position. So, they asked Bobby to bench ells and pedrioa bc he knew they would not tank it. So.. he throws out a AAA lineup.

  191. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    “High levels of testosterone help boost your recovery time after workouts. It allowed Melky to work harder and at a greater level. It didn’t boost his hand-eye coordination.”

    Two words: Brady Anderson.

  192. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    Orioles have a man on second with only 1 out…

  193. Wang IS Taiwan October 1st, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    Tight O’s/Rays game. O’s have a runner on second. 1 out.

  194. Tyler October 1st, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    trisha-

    I’d be willing to bet that Brady Anderson had a lot more in his body than just an increased level of testosterone.

  195. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    Two words: Brady Anderson.

    Three words: Doesn’t mean anything

    If steroids are so good why are there not more brady andersons? Why did brady anderson only blow up for 1 season? Why didn’t he keep playing at that level? I guess Maris was using something at the time then.

  196. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    “I wonder if red sox management wants the team to lose the next 3 games to help their draft position. So, they asked Bobby to bench ells and pedrioa bc he knew they would not tank it. So.. he throws out a AAA lineup.”

    Works for me!

  197. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    Steroids probably don’t affect hand-eye coordination much, but greater strength can definitely increase bat speed, which can definitely help your batting avg.

    But I think if Melky can still stay in relatively good shape with the roids, he can still be a good hitter.

  198. LGY October 1st, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    Trisha

    Did Brady Anderson only use steroids for one season?

  199. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    *without* the roids…

  200. Tyler October 1st, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 8:38 pm
    Steroids probably don’t affect hand-eye coordination much, but greater strength can definitely increase bat speed, which can definitely help your batting avg.

    But I think if Melky can still stay in relatively good shape with the roids, he can still be a good hitter.
    ———————————————–

    They definitely help (at least in the short term) but I just don’t think it’s nearly as dramatic a change as people think. I think you’re right that bat speed is a huge improvement on steroids… The thing that scares me most about guys who have taken them is 5-6 years down the line. They just break down.

  201. NYY_Girl_Penny October 1st, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    Rays have some serious arms.. man, Cobb is dealing.

  202. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    MVP!

    j/k, it’s Trout. :)

  203. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    “trisha-

    I’d be willing to bet that Brady Anderson had a lot more in his body than just an increased level of testosterone.”

    Maybe it was a HUGE increased level of testosterone!

  204. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    Cobb gets out of the Jam. 0-0 going into the bottom of the 6th.

    Only 6 more outs until rodney! lets go rays.

  205. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    Strength doesn’t really affect batspeed. Or else guys like A-rod & Derek JEter could work out their way out of losing batspeed. Thats why I think anyone crying about steroids in baseball is crying foul. There were tests done on the balls from the steroid era that suggested MLB was juicing them due to losing ratings & the strike…

  206. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    Trisha-

    This rays game is making me so nervous. I really wish they would score another run! We really need them to win tonight. I just don’t know how much fire they will play with if they are eliminated tonight.

  207. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    Career high in home runs for Cano, just tied career high for doubles (2009).

  208. Tyler October 1st, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:41 pm
    “trisha-

    I’d be willing to bet that Brady Anderson had a lot more in his body than just an increased level of testosterone.”

    Maybe it was a HUGE increased level of testosterone!
    ————————————————–

    I usually just think of that season as a huge outlier. Very rarely do steroids have that type of effect.

  209. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    Wow, very tight game in Tampa! Cobb looking great. Hope Rays can get more offense going.

  210. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    Greater strength can definitely lead to moving an object (the bat) faster.

    Pick up a wiffle ball bat and see if you can swing it faster than a wood bat.

  211. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    Tyler – I don’t think so but we’ll never know. So we just think what we think. I’m not out to change anyone’s mind. It’s what I believe. No biggie.

  212. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    Geeze Louise. O’s are used to low-scoring games. Hopefully they lose this low-scoring game.

  213. blake October 1st, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    wow have a day offense….go Rays!

  214. Tyler October 1st, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    trisha-

    Oh absolutely. I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind either :) . Just bored with this rare Yankees rout!! haha

  215. NYY_Girl_Penny October 1st, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    .. and to think we have 5 more years of 30 million dollar per year Arod.

  216. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    Pick up a wiffle ball bat and see if you can swing it faster than a wood bat.

    A wiffle ball bat weighs like 4 oz. At the major league level every player is already ripped enough to handle whatever 32-34 oz bat they are swinging. Getting stronger isn’t going to help them. And of course, corking bats to get that ‘whiffle bat’ effect doesn’t do anything.

  217. MTU October 1st, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    I almost never enter game threads. Like walking thru a minefield.

    But on a night like this I just had to drop by for a moment.

    It’s so much fun watching the Yankees crap all over Boston.

    Hope the Rays can hang on.

    Enjoy.

    See ya’ Manana back in 1st.

    :)

  218. mick October 1st, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    Please don’t tell me Kay is going to start talking sabermetrics again.
    ===============
    Did he say the “Seamheads” think Trout should win the MVP or was I hearing things?

  219. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    Well… lets hope the rays can shut the orioles out. Their offense looks dead.

  220. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    Tyler – if you want to somber up, come down to Tampa!!!

    :D

  221. Pat M. October 1st, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    Face…….Brandy Anderson went to the same University that I did ( UCI ) and I use to see him working out during the offseasons…..Brandy was a lean muscle ballplayer and then suddenly he became this muscle bulging freak over night……Got hurt and it all went away…. Roids are much different than HGH , no comparison

  222. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    Brett Anderson is expected to be back for the A’s on friday for that Wild card game. Another reason to avoid that play in game.

  223. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    GO RANGERS!!!

    Grr, I even hate saying that…

  224. NYY_Girl_Penny October 1st, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:20 pm
    “more often than not.. wait a second, is this the same Trisha ?”

    I ALWAYS counsel the Yanks to save some runs. At no time in the season is it more important than right now!
    ++++++++++++++++++

    HAha.. you ain’t kiddin, we should put a few in the equipment bag for another game later.

    Here’s a question for you.. Who will Girardi decide to rest tonight and what inning will he pull them ?

    I bet Jeter in the 7th.

  225. blake October 1st, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    welcome to the madness MTU!

  226. Ken Phelps October 1st, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    Why the Brady Anderson talk?

  227. NYY_Girl_Penny October 1st, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:47 pm
    Tyler – if you want to somber up, come down to Tampa!!!

    ++++++++

    I am going to Tampa Wednesday and Orlando Friday.

  228. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    Well… Orioles tie it at 1.

  229. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    *&((_)_%$#^&!!!!!

    1-1

  230. LGY October 1st, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    I would take CC out at about 80 pitches just in case you need him on 3 days rest for the wildcard game

  231. Tyler October 1st, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    I wish I was in Tampa… beats studying in St. Louis.

  232. MG October 1st, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    CC has regained his change in the last 3 starts.

    He is throwing his best ones of the season tonight.

    There is a direct correlation between CC having the plus change and being dominant, that’s pretty clear.

  233. NYY_Girl_Penny October 1st, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    Ugh!! Damn O’s !

  234. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    Brandy Anderson went to the same University that I did ( UCI ) and I use to see him working out during the offseasons…..Brandy was a lean muscle ballplayer and then suddenly he became this muscle bulging freak over night……Got hurt and it all went away…. Roids are much different than HGH , no comparison

    He played near full seasons in both the seasons preceding and following his 50 HR year. And both times did not crack 20 Hrs. So its not like he just ‘got hurt’ and it went away. It was a fluke year. A guy can get locked in and have a good year, look at your favorite player Mike Napoli last season.

    I think anyone who thinks steroids is what made guys like Sosa, Bonds, McGuire, or Anderson the hitters they were at times is foolish.

  235. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    As I said – anyone who wants to be somber, come on down.

    :evil:

  236. LGY October 1st, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    mick October 1st, 2012 at 8:47 pm
    Please don’t tell me Kay is going to start talking sabermetrics again.
    ===============
    Did he say the “Seamheads” think Trout should win the MVP or was I hearing things?

    ——–

    Apparently some sports writer said that in an article Kay read.

  237. Wang IS Taiwan October 1st, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    It’s so much fun watching the Yankees crap all over Boston.

    ~~~~~~~~

    :)

  238. blake October 1st, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    Hughes: 4.23 ERA, 165 K’s, 1.265 WHIP
    Buttholtz: 4.56 ERA, 129 K’s, 1.33 WHIP

  239. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 8:46 pm
    Pick up a wiffle ball bat and see if you can swing it faster than a wood bat.

    A wiffle ball bat weighs like 4 oz. At the major league level every player is already ripped enough to handle whatever 32-34 oz bat they are swinging. Getting stronger isn’t going to help them. And of course, corking bats to get that ‘whiffle bat’ effect doesn’t do anything.

    Yes, it’s a large difference, but that’s to illustrate a point. More strength, or a lighter object, leads to increased speed moving said object. It’s just logic. Of course there won’t be as much variation with a wood bat and among major league hitters, but we’re talking 90+mph pitches, tiny fractions of a second in bat speed can mean a significant difference in performance.

  240. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    Bottom of the 7th in tampa…. 1-1.

    Longo coming up… This will be rays best chance to score.

  241. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    Angel Hernandez behind the dish in Tampa.

    I guess the game will go to the team he feels has the best chance of destroying the Y’s!

    :lol:

  242. NYY_Girl_Penny October 1st, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    ☠ hmm

  243. NYY_Girl_Penny October 1st, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    ☠ whoah, what the heck ? Why is there a skull and crossbones in my post ?

  244. mick October 1st, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    Didn’t know Seamheads was the nickname for saber guys.

  245. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    Yes, it’s a large difference, but that’s to illustrate a point. More strength, or a lighter object, leads to increased speed moving said object. It’s just logic. Of course there won’t be as much variation with a wood bat and among major league hitters, but we’re talking 90+mph pitches, tiny fractions of a second in bat speed can mean a significant difference in performance.

    Well no, its not really simple logic, or else bulking up would make people run faster :) Some things are just natural ability. You have to be in shape to tap into it, but professional athletes I think are already at the level where they are tapping into those natural abilities like footspeed, quickness, batspeed, etc.

  246. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    Hughes: 4.23 ERA, 165 K’s, 1.265 WHIP
    Buttholtz: 4.56 ERA, 129 K’s, 1.33 WHIP

    It sucks that Hughes hasn’t really distanced himself from Bucholz, and also that Bucholz has a no no.

  247. mick October 1st, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    When will Padilla come in to hit Tex?

  248. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    Damn, Balt tied it.

  249. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    Machado makes a error… rays got the leadoff man on first. CMON RAYS!!!!!!

  250. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    Essentially I don’t think steroids affect the kind of things that are essential to being a good baseball player. A good weightlifter, or Mr universe, sure.

  251. LGY October 1st, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    mick October 1st, 2012 at 8:55 pm
    Didn’t know Seamheads was the nickname for saber guys.

    ——

    Neither did I :D

  252. blake October 1st, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    I think Trout is probably the best player in baseball….but if I had a vote for AL MVP I’d be casting it for Miggy this year…..

    I think they are both deserving but Miggy has done it for about 20 more games and Miggy has crushed Trout’s performance down the stretch……

    splitting hairs IMO at this point….and Miguel has played more games and performed better in August and September.

  253. Tyler October 1st, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 8:56 pm
    Hughes: 4.23 ERA, 165 K’s, 1.265 WHIP
    Buttholtz: 4.56 ERA, 129 K’s, 1.33 WHIP

    It sucks that Hughes hasn’t really distanced himself from Bucholz, and also that Bucholz has a no no.
    ————————————————-

    What does Buchholz having a no hitter matter? Not arguing that Hughes is so much better either…

  254. NYY_Girl_Penny October 1st, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    Alex should have ☣ on his jersey!

  255. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    men on first and third with no outs for the rays! lets go rays!

  256. blake October 1st, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    “It sucks that Hughes hasn’t really distanced himself from Bucholz, and also that Bucholz has a no no.”

    I think it’s interesting though how the media still seems to hold Bucholtz in a higher regard though….

  257. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    http://www.hardballtimes.com/m.....-anderson/

  258. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    Good shot to score here. Thank you wunderkind Machado.

    GO RAYS!

  259. mick October 1st, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    TB on the verge….incredible they have a 3 hour window of life.

  260. Nick in SF October 1st, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    I thought the nickname for saber guys was Inhalermouths. :neutral:

  261. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    What does Buchholz having a no hitter matter?

    Because he is a weasel and he is in the record books and Hughes no no was cruelly taken away by an injury that completely altered his career trajectory.

  262. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    mick – we need the Rangers to win tonight. The Rays will stay alive. Then the Rays will play hard tomorrow night because they’ll still be in it. So the O’s lose two. That’s all we need really.

  263. NYY_Girl_Penny October 1st, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    Oh c’mon people .. I am tired of them saying Russell Martin is really come on this month.. so he had 1 month where he hit .256 in september.. big deal he had 6 home runs! I do not want this guy back on our team next year!

  264. Tyler October 1st, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:00 pm
    What does Buchholz having a no hitter matter?

    Because he is a weasel and he is in the record books and Hughes no no was cruelly taken away by an injury that completely altered his career trajectory.
    ———————————————–

    I know it was only his 2nd career start but I really thought I was watching a superstar that night in Texas…. I guess it could still happen but it definitely set him back.

  265. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    2-1 rays!!!!

  266. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    HERE WE GO RAY-AYS, HERE WE GO!!!

  267. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    Brady Anderson said every at bat that year he swung as hard as he could.

  268. blake October 1st, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    Rays have 1st and 3rd with no outs….can they get it done….Go Rays!

  269. blake October 1st, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    2-1 Rays on the sac Fly

  270. Wang IS Taiwan October 1st, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    What does Buchholz having a no hitter matter?

    Because he is a weasel and he is in the record books and Hughes no no was cruelly taken away by an injury that completely altered his career trajectory.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I can’t disagree with this assessment…

  271. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    I’d take Russell back again.

    :)

  272. mick October 1st, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    trish-as long as we tie texas for best record we get it.

  273. mick October 1st, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    russell has intangibles.

  274. NYY_Girl_Penny October 1st, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    Ichiro is the ✩ of this team now. He should come back next year before Swisher does!

  275. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    mick – because we won the series?

  276. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    Hasn’t Hughes said he has never quite felt the same after that injury?

  277. blake October 1st, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    “I’d take Russell back again.”

    me too if he’s free!

  278. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    How you getting those symbols to post?

  279. blake October 1st, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    I hope they can get Martin back on a 2 or less year deal……

  280. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    seamheads is just the nickname for big time baseball fans. Trout is totally the MVP, blake, you’re way off base.

    Trout is right there with him in batting average. Crushes him absolutely in defense, stolen bases (48 – 4, he is close to having a 30-50 season and will be like only the third player ever to do it), and is actually right behind him in XBH despite having 22 less games played THROUGH NO FAULT OF HIS OWN! Trout actually beats him in OBP too!

    He has more runs scored than Miggy and nearly 100 RBIs with 22 less games played. Dude is having an insane year.

    There is no way Trout should not be the MVP.

  281. NYY_Girl_Penny October 1st, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    mick October 1st, 2012 at 9:04 pm
    russell has intangibles.
    +++++

    .. and he has underwear. Forget that bum, he had his chance when NYY offered him a 3/21 deal and he was too good to take it. BYE BYE! He should on the first ✈ out of here !

  282. blake October 1st, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    Willie Mays is 0-3

  283. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    “I hope they can get Martin back on a 2 or less year deal……”

    I also.

  284. Bronx Jeers October 1st, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    Because he is a weasel and he is in the record books and Hughes no no was cruelly taken away by an injury that completely altered his career trajectory.

    —————————-

    It was like a mini Kennedy assassination. :shock:

  285. NYY_Girl_Penny October 1st, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    Trisha, ✆ me and I’ll tell ya ! :-)

  286. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    1st and 3rd, 1 out, for the rays!! cmon baby! another run would be HUGE

  287. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 9:07 pm

  288. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    &#9731

  289. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    Penny come on give it up. Everyone knows who you are!

    :)

  290. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    damn.. infield pop up by roberts…

  291. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    Brady Anderson said every at bat that year he swung as hard as he could.

    Ripken, who actually played with him and didn’t just watch him in a gym somewhere, said he was completely locked in and was taking atleast 1 great swing every AB.

  292. NYY_Girl_Penny October 1st, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    for trisha..

    ⚘ ❀

    but now I can’t tell you since you want Russell Martin back. *vomit*

  293. Nick in SF October 1st, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    Buck needs to grimace more. That’ll help.

  294. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    ?

  295. NYY_Girl_Penny October 1st, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    Oh no.. now this blog is going to be filled with unicode characters for eternity !

  296. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    4-1!!!!!

  297. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    HOME FREE BABY!!!

  298. jackamir October 1st, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    Rays are okay!!!

  299. blake October 1st, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    “Trout is totally the MVP, blake, you’re way off base. ”

    why because his WAR is higher? I don’t buy the difference there….

    Cabrera has 12 more homers….15 more doubles…56 more RBI’s …higher OPS….and although it’s not Trout’s fault Cabera has played a significant number of games more…..plus as I said Cabrera has performed better down the stretch…..

    I think Trout is the best player in the game….but I’d probably vote for Miggy right now.

  300. NYY_Girl_Penny October 1st, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    Trisha, you can get them from here: http://utf8-characters.com/

  301. NYY_Girl_Penny October 1st, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    Go Tampa !

  302. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    & #9733;

  303. Niblick October 1st, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    Go Rays!

  304. blake October 1st, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    it’s not Trout’s fault that he played 22 less games than Miggy…..but you can’t hold that against Cabrera and it is something that happened.

  305. blake October 1st, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    4-1 RAYS!

  306. Bronx Jeers October 1st, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    If there’s an actual vomit emoticon I need to know what it is because hopefully there’s going to be a lot of Tim McCarver in our collective October.

  307. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 9:13 pm

  308. Nick in SF October 1st, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    Singleton is a Kay enabler.

  309. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    Yanks win tonight’s game ✔

    O’s lose tonight’s game ✔

  310. blake October 1st, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    Cano is locked in….I hope he can stay locked in for about another month.

  311. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    blake October 1st, 2012 at 9:13 pm
    it’s not Trout’s fault that he played 22 less games than Miggy…..but you can’t hold that against Cabrera and it is something that happened.

    And yet Trout has generated a lot more WAR than Cabrera. So much more WAR that you can’t really argue faults in the formula.

    Even if you are old school, as long as you acknowledge that defense and baserunning matters, with Trout being a great defender and great baserunner and Cabrera being poor at both, advantage Trout.

  312. blake October 1st, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1

    CC out for 7th. My only guess: He’s 2IP/3Ks shy of 200/200 and maybe Girardi trying to help get that. #Yankees

  313. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    Cabrera has 12 more homers….15 more doubles…56 more RBI’s …higher OPS….and although it’s not Trout’s fault Cabera has played a significant number of games more…..plus as I said Cabrera has performed better down the stretch…..

    I think Trout is the best player in the game….but I’d probably vote for Miggy right now.

    Dude if you think Trout is the best player in the game then he has to be the MVP, that is the point of the MVP! I don’t buy anyones definitions of MVP being related to making the playoffs or down the stretch or whatever. I will only defend those arguments if I’m trying to get a Yankee to steal an MVP award (even though I will acknowledge the true MVP).

    Trout has 44 more stolen bases than Cabrera. He plays 10000 x superior defense to cabrera even if you handicap cabrera because he isnt playing first. This isn’t a metrics thing. This is an eye test thing. He is better on the bases, in the field, and he is pretty damn good at the plate.

    Cabrera is the best hitter just counting at the plate (so like if they both hit a double, the minute they’ve stopped at 2nd Trout becomes the better bet there), so he can have the hank aaron award or whatever, but Trout is most valuable.

  314. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    Even by oWAR, which does not factor in defense at all, Trout is beating Cabrera

  315. MG October 1st, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    blake October 1st, 2012 at 9:15 pm
    Cano is locked in….I hope he can stay locked in for about another month.
    ——————-
    Even though they got him out he almost knocked Ciriaco over with that smash.

    He is probably going to stay locked in for awhile, let’s hope Ichiro and Swish stay the same, Jeter starts raking again, and Teix regains his stroke, he looks pretty good at the plate tonight.

  316. Duh Innings II October 1st, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    4-1!!!!

    Hey Bret The Pothead you gonna hope the Os win tonight and split their last two so the Yanks have to sweep a team due for a win? Cuz the Yanks have to bat 1.000 and win every game or it’s no good, dontcha know?

    LOL @ you not rooting for other teams to help (not do the job for) the Yanks.

    Hey Jerkface where’s your bull about Granderson tonight? Just because a guy is hitting around .230 doesn’t mean he isn’t fearsome or dangerous. 41 HR and 102 RBI. My problem with him is he’ll most likely want at least three years at age 34 and I don’t want the Yanks to be stuck with yet another huge contract for a guy in his mid-late 30s (to go with A-Rod and Teixiera.)

  317. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    In 22 less games, Trout has .1 more oWAR than Cabrera. he hits for just as good an average, has elite power even if its not as much as cabrera, and is just so so so good on the bases.

  318. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    Hey Jerkface where’s your bull about Granderson tonight? Just because a guy is hitting around .230 doesn’t mean he isn’t fearsome or dangerous.

    Take your meaningless intangible nonsense elsewhere. Granderson can hit HRs, he can also get out like crazy.

  319. Niblick October 1st, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    Why is CC still in there? Binder Joe should give him some rest, so he can be a monster in the playoffs.

  320. TheStraw October 1st, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    When a guy accomplishes a feat that hasn’t been done in 45 years, he deserves to win the MVP.

  321. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    Granderson in sept: .178 .252 .433 .686 Pitchers are so scared they are getting him out at every opportunity.

  322. blake October 1st, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    “And yet Trout has generated a lot more WAR than Cabrera. So much more WAR that you can’t really argue faults in the formula.”

    WAR is flawed…..f WAR has Ben Zobrist as roughly being only a win less valuable than Miguel Cabrera….you buy that?

    Trout’s UZR is really high…not saying he’s not a great defender….but I think how its all weighed in is flawed.

    I get the reasons for voting for Trout….he’s a great player….does everything well….best player in baseball right now….

  323. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    5 outs to go

  324. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    When a guy accomplishes a feat that hasn’t been done in 45 years, he deserves to win the MVP.

    When a player accomplishes a feat that has only been done 3 times in history, he deserves to win the MVP.

    Or when a player accomplishes a feat NEVER before done by a 20 year old, he deserves to win the MVP.

  325. blake October 1st, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    “Dude if you think Trout is the best player in the game then he has to be the MVP, that is the point of the MVP! ”

    you can be the best player and not put together the best case for the MVP

  326. comet October 1st, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    Well Ben Johnson ran much faster on steroids than off them!

    “Well no, its not really simple logic, or else bulking up would make people run faster Some things are just natural ability. You have to be in shape to tap into it, but professional athletes I think are already at the level where they are tapping into those natural abilities like footspeed, quickness, batspeed, etc.”

  327. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    4 outs to go. Farnsworth is warming up and not rodney… NOT COOL

  328. Captain Clutch October 1st, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    It’s time to get the bullpen up, CC did his job tonight. I don’t know why Girardi never thinks about giving him some rest. I think the bullpen can hand a 7 run lead.

  329. TheStraw October 1st, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    Re-sign Ichiro.

  330. Nick in SF October 1st, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    When he makes a good play, he’s Ichiro. Otherwise, he’s Suzuki.

  331. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    WAR is flawed…..f WAR has Ben Zobrist as roughly being only a win less valuable than Miguel Cabrera….you buy that?

    Trout leads Miggy in ofWAR and obWAR. You simply cannot ignore how valuable Trout is out of the batter’s box.

  332. mick October 1st, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    Ichiro has major hops.

  333. blake October 1st, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    “Or when a player accomplishes a feat NEVER before done by a 20 year old, he deserves to win the MVP.”

    it’s not the most valuable 20 year old award.

  334. Duh Innings II October 1st, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    Cabrera has 12 more homers….15 more doubles…56 more RBI’s …higher OPS….and although it’s not Trout’s fault Cabera has played a significant number of games more…..plus as I said Cabrera has performed better down the stretch…..

    I think Trout is the best player in the game….but I’d probably vote for Miggy right now.

    Dude if you think Trout is the best player in the game then he has to be the MVP, that is the point of the MVP! I don’t buy anyones definitions of MVP being related to making the playoffs or down the stretch or whatever. I will only defend those arguments if I’m trying to get a Yankee to steal an MVP award (even though I will acknowledge the true MVP).

    Trout has 44 more stolen bases than Cabrera. He plays 10000 x superior defense to cabrera even if you handicap cabrera because he isnt playing first. This isn’t a metrics thing. This is an eye test thing. He is better on the bases, in the field, and he is pretty damn good at the plate.

    Cabrera is the best hitter just counting at the plate (so like if they both hit a double, the minute they’ve stopped at 2nd Trout becomes the better bet there), so he can have the hank aaron award or whatever, but Trout is most valuable.

    ——————————-

    Um, no he’s not, Miguel Cabrera is. Cabrera helped his team win the division, Trout did not. Without Cabrera, the Tigers don’t win the division. The Angels still miss the postseason with or without Trout.

    Trout is a nice little story: 20-year old kid May callup has big season. Yeah, cuz no one has a book on him yet, Let’s see what he does next season with a book on him.

    Cabrera is a hardened veteran who alongside Verlander led the charge to his team to overtake Chicago for the division.

    The voting should be 1. Cabrera 2. Jeter runnerup 3. Trout.

  335. MG October 1st, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    CC thrives on the work, he’s only thrown 90ish stress free pitches, he would rather be out there than sitting in the dugout.

    I’m sure he’s done after 7, that’s a good night’s work for him and sets him up for the 1st game of the ALDS (assuming they get there).

  336. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    3 outs to go in tampa

  337. TheStraw October 1st, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    Rodney time in Tampa..

  338. Captain Clutch October 1st, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    If the Rays win tonight the Yanks can thank them. But once they are eliminated by tomorrow they aren’t going to compete in the next 2 games. Too bad because tomorrow is going to be a tough game for the Yanks with Lester pitching.

  339. MG October 1st, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    mick October 1st, 2012 at 9:24 pm
    Ichiro has major hops.
    —————
    Ichiro looks like Spider Man sometimes near the outfield walls, doesn’t he?

  340. blake October 1st, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    “You simply cannot ignore how valuable Trout is out of the batter’s box.”

    I’m not …..I just think maybe WAR overvalues the other stuff. I don’t buy WAR…..I think it’s a cool stat to look at but I also think it’s somewhat biased towards certain kinds of players in that some skills are weighted more than they maybe should be…..or they are calculated using stats that are inaccurate.

  341. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    Well Ben Johnson ran much faster on steroids than off them!

    This is a correlation != causation issue. There is no way to test how fast anyone would have run without PEDs, so you cannot know that PEDs were the reason behind it.

    In speed / length competitions I think blood doping is more important than traditional PEDs. Things which deliver more oxygen per red blood cell, etc.

  342. igotid88 October 1st, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    Go Rays

  343. blake October 1st, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    “Um, no he’s not, Miguel Cabrera is. Cabrera helped his team win the division, Trout did not. Without Cabrera, the Tigers don’t win the division. ”

    meh….I don’t like this argument because Trout’s team won more games than Cabrera’s…..the divisions are dumb and they should get rid of them.

  344. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    3 outs to go in tampa.

    That Rangers vs A’s game is a win win for us. IF the rangers lose, Yanks will be tied for the best record in the AL, IF the Rangers win, the Rays will be playing another must win game tomorrow. PERFECT.

  345. mick October 1st, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    ? yes, cuz we won the tex. series trish

  346. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    Um, no he’s not, Miguel Cabrera is. Cabrera helped his team win the division, Trout did not. Without Cabrera, the Tigers don’t win the division. The Angels still miss the postseason with or without Trout.

    By that sort of logic:

    Tigers: 86 wins

    Angels: 88 wins

    Trout has helped his team get more wins. It’s not his fault his team is in a tougher division.

  347. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    I think you’re seeing the lack of experience on the part of the O’s vs. experience on the part of the Rays.

  348. Duh Innings II October 1st, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    Hey Jerkface where’s your bull about Granderson tonight? Just because a guy is hitting around .230 doesn’t mean he isn’t fearsome or dangerous.

    Take your meaningless intangible nonsense elsewhere. Granderson can hit HRs, he can also get out like crazy.

    ——————————

    Take your meaningless stathead nonsense elsewhere, nerd.

    Ya damn right Granderson can hit homeruns. Reggie Jackson batted .262 for his career – ‘still an absolute terror.

  349. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    Um, no he’s not, Miguel Cabrera is. Cabrera helped his team win the division, Trout did not. Without Cabrera, the Tigers don’t win the division. The Angels still miss the postseason with or without Trout.

    The angels have 2 more wins than Tigers.

    Team Record when Trout plays: 80-56 .588
    Team Record when Cabrera plays: 85-73 .537

  350. blake October 1st, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    Trout’s team has won more games in a better division than Cabrera’s has…..so the “win the division thing” doesn’t apply for me…..I just think Cabrera has had an equally awesome season and has done it for more games than Trout and has performed better in August and September …..

  351. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    Reggie Jackson batted .262 for his career – ‘still an absolute terror.

    Thats like 40 points higher than what Granderson is hitting now and he got on base .356 clip.

  352. mick October 1st, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    it’s not the most valuable 20 year old award.
    ================
    exactly.
    also you can measure a runners speed w/out peds.
    just look at his old times compared to his newer better ones.
    faulty logic.

  353. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    just look at his old times compared to his newer better ones.
    faulty logic.

    This ignores things like physical peak, total peak, and experience. Olympic runners train their whole lives to be very good for basically 1 moment. And the human body is at its best for only a brief time.

  354. TheStraw October 1st, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    Take Cabrera away from Detroit and they basically have Fielder and Verlander. Take Trout away from LAA, and they still have Pujols, Trumbo, Weaver, Grienke, and Wilson. Princes number’s also benefit from hitting behind Miggy. Trout is a great player, but in reality, would anyone really argue he is more valuable than even Pujols, let alone Cabrera. MVP means Most Valuable Player, not most statistically valuable.

  355. MG October 1st, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    that was a really good AB by Swish there taking a pitch he allegedly can’t hit (off speed) the other way.

    Swish has quietly raked in September, he has really helped the ball club, particularly while Cano was slumping, Arod was in a coma (which he still is) and Teix was out.

  356. MTU October 1st, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    Tranquilo Amigos.

    Calmate.

    Este juego de los Rays es en el bolso.

    Manana Hombres y Mujeres.

    Numero Uno Manana.

    Buenos Noches.

    Vaya con Dios.

  357. Duh Innings II October 1st, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    acksquat October 1st, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    Um, no he’s not, Miguel Cabrera is. Cabrera helped his team win the division, Trout did not. Without Cabrera, the Tigers don’t win the division. The Angels still miss the postseason with or without Trout.

    By that sort of logic:

    Tigers: 86 wins

    Angels: 88 wins

    Trout has helped his team get more wins. It’s not his fault his team is in a tougher division.

    —-

    It’s not Miguel Cabrera’s fault he played in a weaker division. Bottom line is he helped his team win the division.

    Where are the Tigers without Cabrera? Nowhere. The Angels still lose the division and not win a wildcard slot.

    ‘Know what makes Cabrera’s season an MVP season over Trout’s besides the stats and being the biggest force behind his team winning the division since he played every day as opposed to Verlander? Everyone has a full book on Cabrera. They don’t have one on Trout. If Trout had a full book on him and produced the season he has this year, I’d consider him a stronger #3 in the MVP voting than he is. Jeter’s #2 cuz he’s done what he’s done at the age he’s done it.

  358. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    Trout is a great player, but in reality, would anyone really argue he is more valuable than even Pujols, let alone Cabrera. MVP means Most Valuable Player, not most statistically valuable.

    Uh yes. He is more valuable because if you’re trying to divorce Trout from his stats which are simply a measure of what he accomplishes on the field you still have the fact that he is incredibly young & cheap, which is insanely valuable combined with elite performance, he is better glove than pujols or cabrera, at a harder position to field, and he is better base stealer than all of them.

  359. TheStraw October 1st, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    Rays have runners on first and third, one out in bottom of the eighth.

  360. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    Is that Freddy in the pen? Only caught a glimpse.

  361. Niblick October 1st, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    Let’s hope Binder can manage to keep Robertson and Soriano out of this game, for a change.

  362. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    mick –

    :)

  363. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    And really trying to divorce ‘Most Valuable’ from ‘Most Statistically Valuable’ is silly, the statistics which show value are designed to point out the value! thats the point!

  364. Nick in SF October 1st, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    In a sense we’re all here for but a flicker of time. A blink in the eye of the cosmos.

  365. TheStraw October 1st, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Yeah because all that rest really helped Sori out last night.

  366. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    5-1 rays

  367. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    Cabrera is a 1 way player. Trout is multi dimensional. Cabrera is checkers. Trout is Vulcan tri-dimensional chess.

  368. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    Rays 5-1

    nick – where the heck did that come from?

    In any event, I think that I’ve seen enough of both games to feel comfortable. Not interested in reading about which bait is best to catch a fish, so I’ll see you all later!

    :)

  369. Niblick October 1st, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Go Rays!!

  370. MTU October 1st, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Since you’re discussing MVP’s.

    Can somebody please tell me how many Angels (No pun intended)
    can dance on the head of a pin ?

    Or, How many Dallas cheerleaders can fit in a VW ?

    TIA.

    :)

  371. comet October 1st, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Well JF he nver ran as fast either before or after taking PED’s. BTW I think Trout is MVP.

    On Roids we will have to agree to disagree.

  372. Pat M. October 1st, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    If Miggy wins the Triple Crown he’s going to be the MVP and that’s the bottom line…..Although a year ago I really wouldn’t buy into Face’s position however Trout can win the MVP if Miggy doesn’t join a very select group of great players…….Ted Williams hit .400 and didn’t win the MVP

  373. MTU October 1st, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    Secretariat won the triple crown.

    Greatest horse I ever saw.

    :)

  374. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    Trout is out hitting Pujols by a mile. Trout is the only player on the Angels with a .900 OPS. Fielder and Miggy both have a .900 OPS.

    Miggy has Austin Jackson & Dirks good years behind him as well. His team has Doug Fister & Scherzer pitching. You left out all these guys.

  375. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    Well JF he nver ran as fast either before or after taking PED’s. BTW I think Trout is MVP.

    How do you know?

  376. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    if Miggy doesn’t join a very select group of great players

    Trout would be only the third player in history with a 30-50 season. And that doesn’t include a bogus RBI stat.

  377. MTU October 1st, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    Of course even at my advanced age I was not around for War Admiral, Man O War, or Whirlaway.

    :(

  378. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    I can only assume that CC coming out for the 8th means he definitely will not be pitching on 3 days rest.

  379. Niblick October 1st, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    Really stupid to bring CC out for the 8th.

  380. MTU October 1st, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    Girardi isn’t taking any chances.

    He only has an 8 run lead.

    :)

  381. Nick in SF October 1st, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    CC will be pitching on regular rest on Saturday in…. Oakland?

  382. comet October 1st, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    If Girardi doesn’t pull CC soon I’m going to be very upset and so should you!

  383. blake October 1st, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    “Trout is the only player on the Angels with a .900 OPS. Fielder and Miggy both have a .900 OPS. ”

    Miggy’s is higher than Trout’s and he played almost a month more games.

  384. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    Miggy’s is higher than Trout’s and he played almost a month more games.

    Now factor in base running and defense, go!

  385. blake October 1st, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    “He only has an 8 run lead.”

    7 but who’s counting? :)

  386. TheStraw October 1st, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    Krazy Kyle in…..why?

    Think Rodney will be in soon…

  387. Madrugador October 1st, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    CC is giving the pen a rest day.

  388. blake October 1st, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    “Now factor in base running and defense, go!”

    I can’t count Trout’s AAA base running and defense in those 22 games where he wasn’t helping his team.

  389. Niblick October 1st, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    Nice play, Longoria.

  390. TheStraw October 1st, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    Davis hits roof, umps rule it HR, 5-3 Rays. What the hell is Maddon waiting for?

  391. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Cabrera & Trout are close in offense. It is not close at all in base running & defense. That makes it Trout in a landslide.

    It would be one thing if Cabrera were a svelte 2B or SS or an actually good 3B or an outfielder and he could steal 20-30 bags. If he were closer to Trout in those areas fine, but he isn’t. It isn’t even a competition. He has more HRs than Trout, but its not like he has twice as many.

  392. Nick in SF October 1st, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Joke Farnsworth, joke stadium.

  393. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Ugh… 5-3 now. Damn farnsworth. RODNEY TIME please

  394. Niblick October 1st, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Farnsworth is still plaguing the Yankees.

  395. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    I can’t count Trout’s AAA base running and defense in those 22 games where he wasn’t helping his team.

    Trout laps Cabrera in both categories in the games he played in the majors. 48 steals. Only 4 CS. Thats insane. 44 more steals in 22 less games. Game saving defensive plays. Better base running.

    He has more runs scored than Cabrera in less games.

  396. blake October 1st, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    basically the games played is a big factor for me….I think both guys are worthy and I have to take into account that one guy played almost a months more of games…..it’s not Trout’s fault the Angels were dumb but it’s not Cabrera’s fault they were either…..

  397. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    Thats the crazy thing, Blake, Trout has been MORE VALUABLE than Cabrera in less games! its a rout!

  398. MTU October 1st, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Blake-

    I’m referee’ing this one.

    It’s Cabrera because Trout is still wet behind the ears.

    You win.

    :)

  399. blake October 1st, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    “Trout laps Cabrera in both categories in the games he played in the majors. 48 steals. Only 4 CS. Thats insane. 44 more steals in 22 less games. Game saving defensive plays. Better base running.”

    Cabrera has over 50 more RBI’s….and again….Miggy has played better down the stretch….

    Trout is hitting .257 in September…..

  400. Niblick October 1st, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    Thanks a lot, Rays.

  401. TheStraw October 1st, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    Rays imploding….

  402. MTU October 1st, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    2 more to go Los Yankees.

    Dos.

    And then the fun really begins.

    ;)

  403. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    Gritner swinging the bat!

  404. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    Blake, were you for or against Hamilton and his 133 games played in 2010?

  405. Niblick October 1st, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    Looks like the Yanks will need a sweep just to get into the one game playoff with Baltimore.

  406. TheStraw October 1st, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Big K of Thome…

  407. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Big out!

  408. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    Mesa!

  409. Nick in SF October 1st, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    A Melky we can believe in.

  410. Niblick October 1st, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    That’s what Binder gets for playing the youngsters – a run!

  411. igotid88 October 1st, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    is mesa going to be another one who’s taking his tongue out every time. Can’t stand it when swisher does it

  412. MG October 1st, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    Mesa looks to me like he could break every strike out record in the books if he played a full season in the majors.

  413. MG October 1st, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    but a good hit there, nice job by the kid…

  414. MTU October 1st, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    Id-

    check out Delmon Young sometime if you really want to see digusting.

    ;)

  415. TheStraw October 1st, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    Reynolds K’s.

  416. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    Rodney has nerves of steel. Lord I remember when he first played for Detroit. He came in to close night after night after night and night after night after night he blew saves.

    He was a skinny little kid then too.

    GO RAYS!

  417. blake October 1st, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    “hats the crazy thing, Blake, Trout has been MORE VALUABLE than Cabrera in less games! its a rout!”

    how bout this…..I’ll vote for Trout for MVP of 2012 May-July and Cabrera 2012 April- September.

  418. blake October 1st, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    “Blake, were you for or against Hamilton and his 133 games played in 2010?”

    nope

  419. Duh Innings II October 1st, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    Um, no he’s not, Miguel Cabrera is. Cabrera helped his team win the division, Trout did not. Without Cabrera, the Tigers don’t win the division. The Angels still miss the postseason with or without Trout.

    The angels have 2 more wins than Tigers.

    Team Record when Trout plays: 80-56 .588
    Team Record when Cabrera plays: 85-73 .537

    ———

    Of course the Tigers’ record is that with Cabrera playing as he’s played all but one game since the Tigers are playing games 160-162 with Cabrera playing every game I’m sure starting tonight. How nice that Trout got to begin his 2012 almost a month after his team’s season began. Yeah those games in AAA were sure tough on him, all that pressure. And that salary! How could he measure up to it?

    The Angels had a bad April and Trout happened to be called up at the end of this bad month, that’s it. With your logic the best Os hitter (to me Adam Jones) is the ALMVP cuz the Os sucked a ss 1997-2012 (until 2012) as opposed to the Angels who have been a pretty damn good team for a pretty damn long time (at least since 2002 when they won a World Series.)

    Cabrera is the 2012 ALMVP not only because he’s played almost all year and helped his team win the division unlike Trout who wasn’t even good enough to make the team out of spring training and didn’t help his team win even a wildcard slot, but done both as a Triple Crown contender and I think ultimately winner.

    He is having a season for the ages despite everyone seeing him thousands upon thousands of times (plate appearances.) I mean, he’s who he is, right there, with tons of video to show the hundreds of times he’s struck out, so everyone knows how to strike him out, get him out period – heck he’s even a year shy of being a decade older than Trout – AND THE MAN IS PUTTING UP A TRIPLE CROWN SEASON. IN THE AMERICAN LEAGUE. UNDER ENORMOUS PRESSURE HE PUT UPON HIMSELF WITH HIS CONTRACT.

    I fail to see how a kid out of nowhere who began his season on April 28 and has no full book on him could be the ALMVP.

    Did you give Kevin Seitzer the 1987 ALMVP cuz he smacked 200+ hits as a rookie? I mean after all, would Kansas City have finished 83-79 / second place without this kid’s .323 / .399 / .470 / .869? Considering MLB was tougher pitching-wis back in ’87 (see the Yanks winning 89 games that season and finishing in FOURTH PLACE), Seitzer’s 1987 > Trout’s 2012.

    BTW Trout has only 30 HR and 80 RBI to Cabrera’s 136, or are you saying Trout would’ve posted 13 HR and 56 RBI before his callup April 28? If you are you’re an even bigger fool than you are for saying he’s the ALMVP over Cabrera.

    Reggie Jackson’s .262 BA and .356 OBP (since you like to run your mouth about BA and OBP with Granderson) hardly qualify as very good hitting numbers.

    Keep being the Yankee Lohud comments section contrarian and knowitall.

  420. blake October 1st, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    Hamilton didn’t play like the whole month of September that year….

  421. MTU October 1st, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    Nighty night.

    Enjoy 1st place.

    Be happy.

    :)

  422. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    Andino, Andino, Andino. So last year.

    :)

    HIP HIP HOORAYS!!!

  423. TheStraw October 1st, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    Rays win!

  424. Niblick October 1st, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    RAYS!!!

  425. MTU October 1st, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    Straw-

    Of course.

  426. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    GO RANGERS!

    Night all.

    :)

  427. comet October 1st, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    My compliant remains why is Cano so seldom rested?

  428. LGY October 1st, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    Trout wasn’t good enough to make the Angels out of ST or the Angels were dumb to send him to AAA?

  429. cofuzz October 1st, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    Best day in a long time!
    Easy W and Orioles lose.
    Give me two more of those please.

  430. blake October 1st, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    1 up with 2 to play…..I’ll take that….lets clinch this thing tomorrow!

  431. MG October 1st, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    comet October 1st, 2012 at 10:01 pm
    My compliant remains why is Cano so seldom rested?
    ———————
    (a) he doesn’t seem to need it, he knocking the cover off the baseball and taking an inning or two off tonight isn’t going to do anything

    (b) they have no one else to play 2nd right now unless they use Cervelli there and that isn’t going to happen in a game that counts, no matter how big the lead

  432. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    WOW… we can win the division tomorrow!!!! Now you gotta hope the rangers win! Rays will still be playing for their playoff lives tomorrow.

  433. blake October 1st, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    “Trout wasn’t good enough to make the Angels out of ST or the Angels were dumb to send him to AAA?”

    well it probably is going to cost them a trip to the playoffs…..so I say dumb

  434. LGY October 1st, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    How is it contrarian to think Trout is the MVP?

    A huge amputation of baseball fans and media think he should win the award.

    The Triple Crown is an outdated concept anyway that doesn’t recognize the most important offensive contributions.

  435. blake October 1st, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    “WOW… we can win the division tomorrow!!!! Now you gotta hope the rangers win! ”

    we want the Rangers to lose…..they lose tonight and we are tied for best record and the #1 seed.

  436. MG October 1st, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    blake October 1st, 2012 at 10:03 pm
    1 up with 2 to play…..I’ll take that….lets clinch this thing tomorrow!
    ————-
    if they had just won one of those very winnable games that turned into losses this week they would be putting the champagne on ice for either tomorrow or Wednesday.

    It looks to me like the Sox have no chance to win a game in this series, they are not trying very hard.

    I doubt whether Lester will go out and pitch well, Bucholz was throwing really badly tonight and they probably want Valentine gone so badly they won’t do anything to change that decision.

  437. LGY October 1st, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    Wow. Amount not amputation. Might have to switch back to the old keyboard on my phone.

  438. TheStraw October 1st, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    Unsweat.

  439. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    Blake-

    No… We need the Rangers to win tonight and then lose the final two games!

    Then… the rays still are alive tomorrow, and then we can still have the best record in the AL.

  440. blake October 1st, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    “if they had just won one of those very winnable games that turned into losses this week they would be putting the champagne on ice for either tomorrow or Wednesday.”

    that’s what stinks….so long as the end result is the same I’ll live ;)

  441. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    Duh Innings,

    You basically write a lot of nonsense, so I’m not going to quote it all but I will respond to some of it. The Tigers record w/ Cabrera vs the Angels record w/ trout is a direct response to YOUR ARGUMENT that the Tigers have been better with Cabrera than the Angels with Trout, which is obviously proven false by that data. Winning the division doesn’t mean anything. They won less games. They are lucky they are in a division with the royals, indians, and twins. Trout wasn’t good enough to make the team out of spring training? HE IS 20. Miguel Cabrera didn’t play a full season at 20, nor was he as good as Trout. What are you going on about Kevin Seitzer? He had a 128 OPS+, that means 28% better than league average. Trout’s is 168! Trout is far superior to Seitzer, that is what that stat measures, it takes into account your ‘better pitching’.

    I am not saying Trout would have posted 13 HR and 56 RBI if he played the entire season, because RBI are bullsht & Trout doesn’t need to equal Cabrera’s HRs to be a better and more valuable player, you’ve apparently missed all those points. The MVP is not the ‘most HR award’. Its not even the ‘most RBI’ award.

    What are you even talking about Reggie Jackson in this block of insipid, nonsense? You’re the one who brought him up in comparison to Granderson’s season, ignoring that Jackson had a better AVG & OBP than what Granderson is putting up! What does that have to do with Trout being the better player?

    Cabrera is barely better than Trout as a hitter. Trout is a better defender (value!) and base runner (Value). If you can’t see that then what are you watching baseball for.

    Trout is the ultimate baseball player. The kind of guy you want. High average, high obp, high slugging, fast as hell, great glove, great arm. The only thing stopping him from being perfect is he strikes out a lot.

  442. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Trout would be leading Cabrera in the REAL triple crown categories, OBP, HR, Stolen Bases

  443. blake October 1st, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    “No… We need the Rangers to win tonight and then lose the final two games!”

    I want that #1 seed….I think it’ll help them

  444. Duh Innings II October 1st, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    Trout is a great player, but in reality, would anyone really argue he is more valuable than even Pujols, let alone Cabrera. MVP means Most Valuable Player, not most statistically valuable.

    Uh yes. He is more valuable because if you’re trying to divorce Trout from his stats which are simply a measure of what he accomplishes on the field you still have the fact that he is incredibly young & cheap, which is insanely valuable combined with elite performance, he is better glove than pujols or cabrera, at a harder position to field, and he is better base stealer than all of them.

    ———————————————–

    Uh no.

    AH! So Trout has intangibles…you are talking about…after you derided me for mentioning the intangibles Granderson has…hypocrite. Hello, Pot, calling Mr.Kettle black? So Trout has intangibles/can have them but Grandy does not/can’t? I see. LOL.

    ‘Love how you go on and on and on about stats, about how Granderson is a this and a that because he’s batting .220-whatever with an OBP just over .300, but when I belt out Cabrera’s stats in opposing your ludicrous view that a kid who once again DOESN’T HAVE A FULL BOOK ON HIM LIKE CABRERA HAS A FULL BOOK, you plead the case for Trout based on things which have absolutely NOTHING to do with stats save the stolen bases (which are nice but hardly 1990 ALMVP Rickey Henderson-like as an older, veteran Rickey had 65 to Trout’s 48.)

    I don’t know what planet you reside on, but the one I and the sportswriters who vote for the ALMVP don’t give a rat’s rear about how young, cheap, and cost effective a player is.

    Stolen bases have never factored into an ALMVP vote save maybe Rickey Henderson’s 1990 ALMVP season when he had a far lower stolen base total than what he had in his prime SB form (he had only 9 more SB than he had in ’81.) Gold Glove performance is nice but hardly a factor either, more like augmentation / a case builder.

    Cabrera’s BA / HR / RBI is not an “elite performance”? Seriously, get some therapy.

  445. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    So Trout has intangibles

    Trout has an insane amount of tangibles you dolt. Nothing I mentioned there is an intangible. His age is tangible, his cost is tangible, his fielding is tangible, his base running is tangible, his stats are all tangible and are all great.

    You’re the one who said pitchers are scared of Granderson and thats why he is better than Austin Jackson despite Jackson making less outs and being a better overall hitter.

    Cabrera’s hitting IS elite. I never said it wasn’t. The problem is that trout is an elite hitter, an elite base runner, and an elite defender. And using your interpretation of past MVP voting in an argument is a fallacy. I could simply point out that triple crown doesn’t = mvp in that case.

  446. mick October 1st, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    Ted Williams hit .400 and didn’t win the MVP
    ============================
    a 56 game winning streak and winning the pennant by 17 games will do that.

  447. Duh Innings II October 1st, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    Duh Innings,

    You basically write a lot of nonsense, so I’m not going to quote it all but I will respond to some of it. The Tigers record w/ Cabrera vs the Angels record w/ trout is a direct response to YOUR ARGUMENT that the Tigers have been better with Cabrera than the Angels with Trout, which is obviously proven false by that data. Winning the division doesn’t mean anything. They won less games. They are lucky they are in a division with the royals, indians, and twins. Trout wasn’t good enough to make the team out of spring training? HE IS 20. Miguel Cabrera didn’t play a full season at 20, nor was he as good as Trout. What are you going on about Kevin Seitzer? He had a 128 OPS+, that means 28% better than league average. Trout’s is 168! Trout is far superior to Seitzer, that is what that stat measures, it takes into account your ‘better pitching’.

    I am not saying Trout would have posted 13 HR and 56 RBI if he played the entire season, because RBI are bullsht & Trout doesn’t need to equal Cabrera’s HRs to be a better and more valuable player, you’ve apparently missed all those points. The MVP is not the ‘most HR award’. Its not even the ‘most RBI’ award.

    What are you even talking about Reggie Jackson in this block of insipid, nonsense? You’re the one who brought him up in comparison to Granderson’s season, ignoring that Jackson had a better AVG & OBP than what Granderson is putting up! What does that have to do with Trout being the better player?

    Cabrera is barely better than Trout as a hitter. Trout is a better defender (value!) and base runner (Value). If you can’t see that then what are you watching baseball for.

    Trout is the ultimate baseball player. The kind of guy you want. High average, high obp, high slugging, fast as hell, great glove, great arm. The only thing stopping him from being perfect is he strikes out a lot.

    ——————————————–

    Trout is the ultimate baseball player…after an impressive cup of coffee in 2011 and an excellent 5/6ths of a season. Truly all-time LOLworthy.

    You basically write alot of nonsense saying a guy about to win the Triple Crown for a division winner who had to fight tooth and nail with the Chi-Sox to be that isn’t the ALMVP, a rookie with no full book on him who didn’t help his team win even a wildcard slot is. Truly comical.

    Winning the division doesn’t mean anything” WHAT?!! Just stop, you’re ranting. It means EVERYTHING. Tell that to Derek Jeter.

    Look at you screaming OPS+ at me. Seiter 128+ vs. Trout’s 168+…yeah, so? In my opinion based on 1987 not being part of the steroids age, Seitzer’s 128 was harder than Trout’s 168, but you wouldn’t know that since you didn’t watch baseball back in ’87, statnerd. Make up your mind – Trout is The Second Coming Of Willie Mays, or he’s a statistical freak. So what he’s 20?!! What does age mean? NOTHING. See Derek Jeter 2012.

    Trout could be a steroids cheat. ‘Doubt anyone though Seitzer’s bat was corked or had too much pinetar on it (the only cheating a batter did back then – see Seitzer’s teammate George Brett one game in July 1983 LOL.)

    Being an MVP has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH STATS and EVERYTHING TO DO WITH BEING THE MOST VALUABLE PLAYER not only to your team but relative to other teams. Get that through your thick stathead, Stathead. Cabrera is the MVP because has put up stats and went beyond the stats to help his team win, all that matters to voters and most real fans unlike you. See 1988 Kirk Gibson with his measly 25 HR and 76 RBI when the Dodgers pitching staff which I believe posted a TEAM ERA UNDER TWO was the real NLMVP. In fact with all due respect to Gibson (who I firmly believe was voted the 1988 NLMVP on his 1988 Game 1 walkoff homerun when he shouldn’t have been), the voters should’ve cast the most first place votes for “The Dodgers Pitching Staff”.

    RBI are not “bullshi t”. If Pujols drove in 68 RBI in 157 games this year, he’d be killed in the media and by the fans. No, the MVP award isn’t “The Most HR Award” or “The Most RBI Award” but it sure is when you lead your team to the division title with the most HR and RBI and did so in 25 more games under enormous pressure (much of it self-placed with the contract you asked for and received) like Miggy did.

    LOL @ you mentioning defense and baserunning ass major determinations of a player’s value. Ok then Brett Gardner is more valuable than Granderson because he’s a better basestealer and gloveman – puh-leeze. Keep the laughs coming. I’m sure people are mortified by your ramblings – it’s past “embarrassed”. You truly are nuts.

    I will take a guy who posts .325 / 43 HR / 136 RBI regardless of his speed and defense over a great basestealer and gloveman who MAY replicate or top his FIRST FULL SEASON WITH NO BOOK ON HIM MOST OF IT any day of the week, and anyone with half a brain would, too.

    I brought up Reggie because he was an average at best hitter who’s only cache was he hit alot of homeruns including three in one World Series game, but the point I made you obviously missed is Reggie put up rather pedestrian BA and OBP but had intangibles which could not be measured by stats alone. Granderson is the same kind of player albeit not of the stature of Reggie, of course. Growing up as a kid in the ’70s and ’80s, Reggie was THE MAN in MLB, don’t even argue. ‘Dude had a CANDY BAR named after him, and that was big news. No one cared about his slashline or defense. If he was in the Yanks outfield and producing his career slashline today (since HR as well as RBI are “bullsh it” to you), you’d be bashing him like you’re bashing Granderson who by the way smokes Reggie speed and defense wise.

  448. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    The 80s were a steroid era! And now is NOT a steroid era since we have much more stringent testing! And that does not explain the 40 point OPS+ gap. Trout is much better than the average player today than Seitzer was in the 80s.

  449. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    And now I am convinced you don’t even understand what a good baseball player is, because Reggie Jackson through his age 36 season hit .273 .365 .515 .880 with an OPS+ of 150. He was very good. Average at best hitter? lmao.

  450. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    Your rambling on has overstayed its welcome, ramble on, rambler.

  451. Duh Innings II October 1st, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    So Trout has intangibles

    Trout has an insane amount of tangibles you dolt. Nothing I mentioned there is an intangible. His age is tangible, his cost is tangible, his fielding is tangible, his base running is tangible, his stats are all tangible and are all great.

    You’re the one who said pitchers are scared of Granderson and thats why he is better than Austin Jackson despite Jackson making less outs and being a better overall hitter.

    Cabrera’s hitting IS elite. I never said it wasn’t. The problem is that trout is an elite hitter, an elite base runner, and an elite defender. And using your interpretation of past MVP voting in an argument is a fallacy. I could simply point out that triple crown doesn’t = mvp in that case.

    ————

    Trout has exactly ONE 5/6ths of a season of MLB after a nice cup of coffee under his belt you dolt.

    Granderson or Austin Jackson up, your team down a run with two outs in the bottom of the ninth of Game 7 of the World Series, homerun ties the game and Series, keeps the team alive for two more plate visits if the opponent doesn’t score in the top of the next inning. Jackson is a nice player who might hit a double or triple and get into scoring position to keep the team alive, but I pick Granderson over Jackson to tie the game and anyone with half a brain would. I pick Reggie Jackson over both :)

    What part of Miguel Cabrera led his team to the postseason don’t you grasp? Nice, Trout steals bases and plays great D. He also plays on a team who has lots of solid players. Like Strawman said all Miggy has anywhere close to him as a player, a force, is Verlander and Fielder.

    You come off like a guy who has Mike Trout on his fantasy baseball team. When you ramble on about how easy the AL Central is, how Trout is 20, blah blah, you fail to prove why he’s the ALMVP cuz those things have nothing to do with his value and everything to do with the circumstances for 2012. Nice he happened to be born in 1992. Too bad he’s in a harder division than Cabrera. If he was in the NL in ’88 he’d have won the NLMVP by a landslide over Kirk Gibson. If the 1987 Yanks were in the AL Central they’d have been the division winner. Your going on about this division and that division is pointless and you cannot definitively prove that Trout and Trout alone caused his team to go 80-56 since his callup. ‘Guess you didn’t see Torii Hunter post his best season in years or Pujols salvage a slow start, or Weaver pitch so well he got a $85M extension, ef a contract talk in the offseason.

    I never said Miggy’s imminent Triple Crown alone should win him the 2012 ALMVP.

  452. Duh Innings II October 1st, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    The 80s were a steroid era! And now is NOT a steroid era since we have much more stringent testing! And that does not explain the 40 point OPS+ gap. Trout is much better than the average player today than Seitzer was in the 80s.
    Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    And now I am convinced you don’t even understand what a good baseball player is, because Reggie Jackson through his age 36 season hit .273 .365 .515 .880 with an OPS+ of 150. He was very good. Average at best hitter? lmao.
    Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    Your rambling on has overstayed its welcome, ramble on, rambler.

    ———————-

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