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Teixeira batting fifth

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 01, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Worth noting that David Phelps is still
listed as a reliever and Ivan Nova is still listed as the next starter.

Derek Jeter SS
Ichiro Suzuki LF
Alex Rodriguez DH
Robinson Cano 2B
Mark Teixeira 1B
Nick Swisher RF
Curtis Granderson CF
Russell Martin C
Eric Chavez 3B

LHP CC Sabathia

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156 Responses to “Teixeira batting fifth”

  1. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    Playoff lineup

  2. LGY October 1st, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    I like what jacksquat suggested for the playoffs. Chavez at DH and Alex at 3B so you can use Nunez to pinch hit for Chavez.

  3. The Return of Stoneburner October 1st, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 3:18 pm
    The average Yankee fan isn’t a prospect follower.

    *****

    It is why I used the word “certain fans.” And the certain fans and prospect followers rile up the base – by telling the common fan to get all excited about NEXT.

  4. CountryClub October 1st, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    I would flip Teix & Swish and Cano & Arod. But it’s a good lineup. Now just stay freaking healthy!

  5. CountryClub October 1st, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    Worth noting that David Phelps is still
    listed as a reliever and Ivan Nova is still listed as the next starter.

    ——————

    I can’t believe that they’re going to let Nova start again. Why? It’s the 2nd to last game of the yr. This is not a time to be worrying about hurt feelings. Now, I’ll be rooting for him. But it feels like a big mistake.

  6. Andymelillo October 1st, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    When the last time arod homer or had rbi an why is he still batting 3rd girardi no heart or guts

  7. CountryClub October 1st, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    Meredith Marakovits ?@M_Marakovits
    Hal Steinbrenner asked if jobs were on the line: not that I know of but that’s not something I’m concerned with right now #Yankees

  8. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    Shame Spencer October 1st, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    Annnnnd just in time for the Sox series… the most racist city in America is *drum roll please…*

    BOSTON.

    http://gawker.com/5946312/the-…..ica-boston

  9. brianlopez22 October 1st, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    Am I the only who thinks you have to let Nova start this game?
    1. We will need Nova for the next 14 wins
    2. Phelps is a better option from the bullpen
    3. Eventually Nova needs to rise back to his normal

  10. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    CountryClub October 1st, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    Meredith Marakovits ?@M_Marakovits
    Hal Steinbrenner asked if jobs were on the line: not that I know of but that’s not something I’m concerned with right now #Yankees

    ——————

    Not that I know of…?

  11. Tabbert October 1st, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    Damn… that lineup looks pretty nice behind CC.

    Redsox without ped, and ells…. We have to win this one.

    LETS GO RAYS!!!

  12. CountryClub October 1st, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    Erik Boland ?@eboland11
    Teixeira: “it feels a lot better than the first time when I came back in Baltimore.”

    —————–

    That’s not exactly encouraging. Man, I hope he stays healthy. I, for one, will not be yelling at him if he’s not running hard to 1st on routine grounders.

  13. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    austinmac October 1st, 2012 at 3:34 pm
    In reality, all games can be lost. They shouldn’t be, but in baseball the worst teams win 35% of the time.

    It may be somewhat coincidental, but the Red Sox were over .500 when Ortiz got hurt. He is still, when healthy, the force in their line up. Will they give him the two years he seems to want?

    If not, the Yankees should give him 1 year he wants.

  14. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes October 1st, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    CountryClub,

    Starting Nova is not a big mistake, its a potentially catastrophic mistake. We need to win three straight and Nova is not going to help us achieve that. He’s a bum.

    Who owns the tie breaker if the Yankees and Orioles finish with the same record? Or do we have a play a stupid tie-breaker game against them?

  15. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    LGY October 1st, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    I like what jacksquat suggested for the playoffs. Chavez at DH and Alex at 3B so you can use Nunez to pinch hit for Chavez.

    ————–

    I agree. You need whoever is in that DH spot to understand they’ll be mixed and matched later in the games. As long as Girardi doesn’t do things that will force him to lose the DH…

  16. CountryClub October 1st, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    brianlopez22,

    I think right now, for tomorrow’s start, Phelps is the better option. I like Nova and still think he’ll be a solid starter. But the 2nd to last gm of the season is not when you’re trying to build confidence for 2013. At least not IMO.

  17. LGY October 1st, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    I’ll never understand the concept of fans supposedly “hating” a player.

    Then again, Feinsand is the biggest Hughes apologist on the beat so he construes any negative comment about Hughes as hate.

  18. CountryClub October 1st, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    If the Yanks and O’s finish with the same record, they play a game on thursday in Baltimore. The loser then plays Friday in the WC game (where would depend on the better record between the WC teams).

  19. brianlopez22 October 1st, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    I’m not trying to build confidence for 2013.
    We need Nova now.

    14 wins = 3 wins against the Sux and 11 wins to #28.
    You NEED Nova to be ready to make a long relief appearance and pitch like he can.

  20. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    It is why I used the word “certain fans.” And the certain fans and prospect followers rile up the base – by telling the common fan to get all excited about NEXT.

    Why blame the fans? Hughes was the #1 pitching prospect in baseball and had the Yankees press machine & baseball media hyping him. It wasn’t the fans.

  21. CountryClub October 1st, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    You need whoever is in that DH spot to understand they’ll be mixed and matched later in the games.

    ————

    I dont think this will be an issue. They’ve pinch hit for Chavez, Ibanez, Jones, Nunez, etc… a lot over the past month or so. They’re used to it now.

  22. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    And of course, Hughes minor league performance was off the charts. He deserved to be hyped. He created expectations by being very good.

  23. CountryClub October 1st, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    I don’t expect to see Nova on the playoff roster. But I also didn’t expect to see him pitch tomorrow. So, who knows…

  24. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    Right now with Chavez at 3B you still have McGeheehee for 3B, but I don’t think he’ll be on the postseason roster.

  25. brianlopez22 October 1st, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Let’s all remember that the Yankees organization ruined Hughes, Joba, and traded Kennedy. This organization does not know how to develop pitching.

    Nova and Phelps slipped through because they were not the prize.
    Look at Brackman, Banuelos and Betances.
    1. Out of baseball
    2. Hurt for the whole year
    3. Demoted for “lack of control”

    This team has no idea how to raise pitchers.

  26. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes October 1st, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    Nova doesn’t deserve a spot on the playoff roster. Bums don’t belong on a playoff roster. Nova has pitched like a bum for a better part of the season. Look at his peripherals. Wins don’t mean jack. ERA, WHIP, XBH. He looks like he’s on the verge of tears every time an opposing team gets a base hit.

    Maybe Phelps will stink if he gets the start, but at least he deserves the chance unlike Nova who has had too many chances already.

  27. blake October 1st, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    this is the best lineup the Yanks can currently throw out there vs a RHP I believe

  28. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes October 1st, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    brianlopez,

    unfortunately I agree…when was the last legit pitching prospect we developed?

    Hughes I guess, but he hasn’t exactly done “well”. He’s been mediocre at best.

  29. blake October 1st, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    “Hal Steinbrenner asked if jobs were on the line: not that I know of but that’s not something I’m concerned with right now #Yankees”

    he’s concerned with his portfolio

  30. blake October 1st, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    how has Sabathia faired against Pawtuckett in his career?

  31. brianlopez22 October 1st, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    CountryClub October 1st, 2012 at 3:55 pm
    I don’t expect to see Nova on the playoff roster. But I also didn’t expect to see him pitch tomorrow. So, who knows…

    ———————–

    11 or 12 pitchers: who else do you have?

    CC, Andy, Kuroda, Hughes
    Phelps, Logan, Joba, Robertson, Soriano

    That’s 9. Nova = 10, then probably Eppley or Rapada

  32. The Return of Stoneburner October 1st, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 3:53 pm
    It is why I used the word “certain fans.” And the certain fans and prospect followers rile up the base – by telling the common fan to get all excited about NEXT.

    Why blame the fans? Hughes was the #1 pitching prospect in baseball and had the Yankees press machine & baseball media hyping him. It wasn’t the fans.

    ******

    You only have yourself to blame for being disappointed – fans create their own expectations – if you do not understand by now that until the player does it the majors it does not count and that the Yanks are notorious for hyping their prospects – then the blame is on the fan. Fan’s make up their own minds – and it is their responsibility if the buy the bill of goods based on potential versus results and then lash out when someone is not the “next” Clemens or “next” Miguel Cabrera – - – -

  33. blake October 1st, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    you can be disappointed that Hughes didn’t turn in to a #1 starter and also acknowledge that he’s still pretty good and a useful piece at the same time.

  34. CountryClub October 1st, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    I would go with:

    CC, Andy, Kuroda, Hughes, Phelps, Logan, Joba, Robertson, Soriano, Lowe as the long man (like yesterday) and either Eppley or Rapada depending on who they play. if the team is lefty heavy, I would have both lefties on the roster.

    Of course, we’re getting ahead of ourselves…

  35. blake October 1st, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    Sounds like Pedroia hurt his thumb maybe last night….wouldnt hurt my feelings if he missed the series.

  36. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    That is a silly stance, stoneburner.

  37. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    And of course it doesn’t address the fact that you are blaming the fans for riling up the fans, when that isn’t what happened. Then you just blame the fans that…riled themselves up? How did they do that? Because of the media and the team and its spokes people.

    Expectations are perfectly fine and normal to have.

    You don’t go through life being disappointed in stuff? Ridiculous.

  38. brianlopez22 October 1st, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    CountryClub,

    We’re guaranteed at least 1 game (WC game), and playoff rosters have to be submitted for it. So we’re not getting ahead of ourselves (too badly).

    So you choose Lowe over Nova? interesting choice.

    I guess I would choose Lowe and Nova over Eppley or Rapada.

    But who are we to decide.
    Personally, Nova has struggled but can’t be left for dead.
    Just my opinion.

  39. CountryClub October 1st, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    brianlopez22,

    Fair enough. I guess we’ll find out shortly.

  40. Don Vito A. Bellamo October 1st, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Yankees and Rays will sweep their respective series, BOOK IT, DAN-O ! :-)

  41. blake October 1st, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Erik Boland ?@eboland11
    Girardi: Phelps starting tomorrow

  42. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Phelps starting tomorrow instead of Nova. Now we’re cooking with gas

  43. CountryClub October 1st, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    so much for that:

    Erik Boland ?@eboland11
    Girardi: Phelps starting tomorrow

  44. mick October 1st, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    If the Yanks and O’s finish with the same record, they play a game on thursday in Baltimore. The loser then plays Friday in the WC game (where would depend on the better record between the WC teams).
    ===============
    CC I understand that but what record do they go by for the WC’s? pre or post the div. playoff game?
    in other words if the 2 wc teams were tied before, the div loser would be 1/2 game behind them.
    would they use the final standings before the div title game and go to the tiebreakers?

  45. Patrick October 1st, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    Hughes is a pretty solid #4 starter. That’s a lot better fate than a lot of other highly touted pitching prospects.

  46. blake October 1st, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    Kinda had to make that decision…..maybe if they had the division locked up you let Nova start and see if he can find something….but as it is they can’t chance it.

  47. Warning Track Power October 1st, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    austinmac October 1st, 2012 at 3:38 pm
    Warning Track,

    My hands are sweaty. Game 160 when tied is about as nerve wracking as the regular season gets. But, I feel good. I have my lucky shirt ready. I will loosen up by pacing about 15 minutes before game time. That was somewhat therapeutic.
    ________________________________________________________________________
    The lucky t-shirt is a great idea. I remember a week or so ago when the Yankees were down I wrote here that fans like myself and whomever else should wear their lucky t-shirt to snap
    the losing streak.

  48. blake October 1st, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    Jack Curry ?@JackCurryYES
    Phelps will likely be on slightly longer leash than Nova would’ve been. Girardi must treat like elimination game. Lowe important out of pen

  49. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    Good decision on Phelps. Probably why Lowe pitched instead of him yesterday.

  50. CountryClub October 1st, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    Mick,

    That’s a good question. In the past, I believe they counted as regular season games. If it hasnt been changed, my guess would be whoever has the best winning percentage after they played would get HF for the WC game. Great point.

  51. Warning Track Power October 1st, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    Erik Boland ?@eboland11
    Girardi: Phelps starting tomorrow
    ————————————————————————————————————–
    I like Nova as well and wanted him to succeed, but the numbers were not there.
    Girardi has no choice but to give Phelps an opportunity.
    Could work out great or the move could be a disaster.
    Everybody will be ready to second guess Girardi is Phelps does poorly, but that is so unfair.
    Nova has done nothing to keep his job. He pitched poorly and has nobody to blame but
    himself.

  52. G. Love October 1st, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    I, for one, think it would be prudent for the great Dusty Pedroia to take these last 3 games off and get himself healthy and prepare for a sure to be pre-season hyped return to greatness for the Red Sox led by the square jawed pearly toothed Johnny Farrell who will right every wrong committed in Boston over the past few seasons.

  53. Against All Odds October 1st, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    brianlopez22 October 1st, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Let’s all remember that the Yankees organization ruined Hughes, Joba, and traded Kennedy. This organization does not know how to develop pitching.

    Nova and Phelps slipped through because they were not the prize.
    Look at Brackman, Banuelos and Betances.
    1. Out of baseball
    2. Hurt for the whole year
    3. Demoted for “lack of control”

    This team has no idea how to raise pitchers.

    —————

    What’s the next group after the killer b’s

  54. kd October 1st, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    makes sense. the sox have been laying down for teams, not going to do that for us

    gotta win these games

  55. G. Love October 1st, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    And Phelps over Nova was the right move. Let’s hope that extends to Jones tomorrow as well.

    The guys who aren’t performing should not be starting these 3 games.

  56. DatKiddE October 1st, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Nova bumped, Phelps starting.

  57. blake October 1st, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    we may have seen the last in Jonesy in pinstripes…..unless he finds new blackmail material.

  58. DatKiddE October 1st, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Nice

  59. mick October 1st, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    there is no need for nova in the PS, been saying it all along, take experienced relievers..
    eppada, lowe, joloroso,phelps
    and if phelps throws a gem tmw i would consider him over hughes.

    trade nova hughes and nunez in the OS and get younger…phelps will start next year
    bring back andy and kuroda, get a FA pitcher or in a trade

  60. TheStraw October 1st, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Pedroia and Ellsbury out of lineup for Sox tonight.

  61. NJ Pete October 1st, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    Does anyone know what rules the tiebreaker games are played under. Are they playoff games with a playoff roster or regular season games with the full 40 man roster?

  62. blake October 1st, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    hope the bats come to play tonight cause Bucky could give them some trouble with his CU if he’s on…..

  63. Warning Track Power October 1st, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    blake
    A. Jones is another player that should not see any important at bats going forward.
    He was given all season to produce and lately he has been making a lot of outs.
    I’m sure being the veteran he is, he can accept the demotion and understands this is about
    the team and not any individual.

  64. blake October 1st, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    “Does anyone know what rules the tiebreaker games are played under. Are they playoff games with a playoff roster or regular season games with the full 40 man roster?”

    if there is a game 163 it is a regular season game and is counted as a regular season game.

  65. tomingeorgia October 1st, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    With three games to go, stats mean nothing, the ultimate sss. We just have to root like hell. Go, CC, go Teix, go everybody! Play tonight, win tonight.

  66. mick October 1st, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    nunez will dh tmw jones is done…

  67. NJ Pete October 1st, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    thanks blake

  68. mick October 1st, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    if there is a game 163 it is a regular season game and is counted as a regular season game.
    ================
    so if the 2 teams are tied for the wc before that game, that game should put them 1/2 game better or worse

  69. CountryClub October 1st, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    nunez will dh tmw jones is done…

    ————-

    Or jeter with Nunez at short. But since he doesnt trust Nunez in the field, you’re probably right.

  70. Yankee Trader October 1st, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    MLBTV-

    Sweeny Murti to come on soon with change for Yankees rotation.

    Is Nova out?

  71. CountryClub October 1st, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    Steinbrenner reiterated that he plans on cutting the Yankees’ payroll by 2014. Under the new collective bargaining agreement, the Yankees could save tens of millions of dollars if they lower their payroll — now around $200 million — to $189 million.

    “I’ve made it clear that is very important to me, for several reasons,” Steinbrenner said. “You are talking about a 10 percent reduction in payroll. I don’t see that as an outrageous concept. I never have.”

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/ml.....osing-jobs

  72. mick October 1st, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    nuney wont play ss here again altho w/o nix they have none

  73. blake October 1st, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    Steinbrenner reiterated that he plans on cutting the Yankees’ payroll by 2014. Under the new collective bargaining agreement, the Yankees could save tens of millions of dollars if they lower their payroll — now around $200 million — to $189 million.

    “I’ve made it clear that is very important to me, for several reasons,” Steinbrenner said. “You are talking about a 10 percent reduction in payroll. I don’t see that as an outrageous concept. I never have.”

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/ml.....osing-jobs

  74. blake October 1st, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    CC….I see we both thought that was interesting ;)

  75. CountryClub October 1st, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    Is Nova out?

    ———–

    yes, Phelps is starting tomorrow.

  76. CountryClub October 1st, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    Blake,

    thats funny; we picked the same exact passage.

  77. Yankee Trader October 1st, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Smiley Jones didn’t come in to bat for Ibanez yesterday who was facing a lefty.

    Did Girardi get the word from above to sit him?

  78. mick October 1st, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    if anyone goes to the pen for the PS it should be hughes, not nova…

  79. bruceb October 1st, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Wise move going with Phelps tomorrow. Might have been pitching in the second inning anyway if Nova had started. Apart from that first start back off the DL, he has been a disaster.

  80. CountryClub October 1st, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN
    Mark Teixeira indicated that he will try to protect his calf as he comes back, and not push it too far. No time left for another setback.

  81. CountryClub October 1st, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    A lot of sh*t going on today! Playoffs, baby!!

  82. bruceb October 1st, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    I was going to add that we need to stay away from Ellsbury and Pedroia until I found out neither would be playing. That’s a bonus! Wish they would take tomorrow off too!!!

  83. mick October 1st, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    bobby the brain is prolly thinking he plays ellsbury and pedey tmw in the game they think they can win

  84. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    “I’ve made it clear that is very important to me, for several reasons,” Steinbrenner said. “You are talking about a 10 percent reduction in payroll. I don’t see that as an outrageous concept. I never have.”

    Its not a 10% reduction in payroll :x

  85. mick October 1st, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    tex could dh tmw…this would open the door for jones

  86. Hassey October 1st, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    With their big guns out, we have to take at least tonite’s game, no? But still some good contact hitters in there:
    Ciriaco 2B
    Nava LF
    Ross RF
    Gomez 1B
    Lavarnway DH
    Saltalamacchia C
    Valencia 3B
    Lin CF
    Iglesias SS

  87. LGY October 1st, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    @AndrewMarchand: Girardi confirmed that Hughes will be his fourth playoff starter, if a fourth starter is needed.

  88. mick October 1st, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    Its not a 10% reduction in payroll
    ===========
    saw that too closer to 5%

  89. Binder Joe October 1st, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Mick,

    Sorry to break it to ya but Jonesy is batting clean up and pitching tomorrow. He’s been working on a nasty hook out in the BP, that’s the only reason his hitting has been a bit subpar lately. Focussing too much time on his pitching.

  90. mick October 1st, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Girardi confirmed that Hughes will be his fourth playoff starter, if a fourth starter is needed.
    =======================
    he could be needed on Friday

  91. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    saw that too closer to 5%

    Its not a 5% reduction in payroll :x

  92. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    That lineup is pathetic (except for Ciriaco of course). CC should own it.

  93. djsunyc October 1st, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    is this correct?

    if we and the o’s are tied at the end of the season, we play a 1 game tiebreaker game to see who wins the division.

    then the loser will have to face the other wildcard team in the play-in game.

  94. mick October 1st, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    bobby the brain won’t lower himself to be a spoiler

  95. saucY October 1st, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    djsunyc: correct

  96. bruceb October 1st, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    if we and the o’s are tied at the end of the season, we play a 1 game tiebreaker game to see who wins the division.

    then the loser will have to face the other wildcard team in the play-in game.

    100% correct.

  97. djsunyc October 1st, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    and are those games locations based on a coin flip?

    so potentially, we can face the o’s in baltimore and if we lose, fly cross country to oakland for a game the very next day and if we win, fly back to face detroit 24 hours later?

  98. mick October 1st, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Listen to his:
    If we tied with Balt and lost w/ Andy then we play the WC w/Hughes on Fri. or CC on 3 days.
    If we win we open the alds w/ cc or hughes on Sat and Phelps on Sunday.

  99. Yankee Trader October 1st, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    Opening Day payrolls
    (Major League contracts plus pro-rated signing bonuses):
    2012: $209,792,900

    LT will be calculated this year at the end of the season based on the 40 man roster.

    JF-The reduction will have to be more than 10%, corrrect?
    Likely the Yankees will start this offseason as the LT is 42.5% for every dollar over 178M

  100. mick October 1st, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    if we were the wc winner we wouldnt play det we would play the best record balt or tex/oak

  101. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    Its more than 10% because you have to tack on the 10 million in player benefits that is not included in those payroll numbers, not to mention they have to be under the 189 with some wiggle room for bonuses/escalators/trades/40 man

  102. saucY October 1st, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    djsunyc: i think you’re right except for the fly to detroit part. The division series is changed this year. the lower ranked team plays 2 on the road, then 3 at home.

    so if the yankees won the wild card play-in-game, they would go to Yankee Stadium for the first 2 games of the ALDS.

  103. Yankee Trader October 1st, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    djsunyc-
    The WC game is Friday. the winner goes home to play Sunday game 1 of ALDS vs #1 seed

  104. DONNYBROOK October 1st, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Just announced that Phelps SP Tuesday.

  105. Mordot11 October 1st, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    Hal isn’t dedicated to winning the World Series. This isn’t news. He will try to build a team that can make the playoffs, and until the Yankees don’t and he no longer sells 4 million tickets a year, nothing is going to change.

  106. The Return of Stoneburner October 1st, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 4:11 pm
    And of course it doesn’t address the fact that you are blaming the fans for riling up the fans, when that isn’t what happened. Then you just blame the fans that…riled themselves up? How did they do that? Because of the media and the team and its spokes people.

    Expectations are perfectly fine and normal to have.

    You don’t go through life being disappointed in stuff? Ridiculous.

    ******

    Not if the disappointment is by your own doing. If you do not know that results in the minors do not always translate over into big league success – and that the transition to big league ball is one of the hardest – you again only have yourself to blame for being disappointed – not the player failing to live up to your own expectations that you have decided to have. Don’t pass this one off on the media or any other hype machine – it takes responsibility away from the fan being naive. It is one thing if you are talking about signing a big FA who has a demonstrated track record at the major league level – it is another thing if we are talking about a kid coming out of the minors were the umpires have wacky strikezones and the pitcher is going up against mostly a bunch of guys that will never make it to the majors.

  107. Hassey October 1st, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    before the season started, I remember Tom Verducci blabbing about this exact situation – the potential for a WC team to be forced to play four games on four straight days in four different cities – only I didn’t think it would be relevant for the Yankees

  108. mick October 1st, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    if you count the wc game and a 5 game alds, that’s a possible 6 game series where 5 starters could be necessary, hello Mr Phelps…big start tmw.

  109. Hassey October 1st, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    calling Kevin Brown…please come to the lobby

  110. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    If you do not know that results in the minors do not always translate over into big league success – and that the transition to big league ball is one of the hardest – you again only have yourself to blame for being disappointed

    You can understand that nothing is guaranteed and still be disappointed! You don’t think the scouts and coaches who saw the talent Phil Hughes has are not disappointed he hasn’t been as good as they believed? He is a first round pick, you don’t think the Yankees wince every time their first round picks don’t pan out? It is like fans or whomever are CONSUMED by disappointment. It possible to feel disappointment AND other emotions!

    As I continue to point out, the tweet you posted & the point you made are completely unrelated because your crusade against fans has nothing to do with mainstream WFAN callers.

    And sorry, but its a cop out for you to so strangely keep attacking fellow baseball fans while copping out on things like expectations of a free agent. Nothing in baseball is guaranteed. If you are disappointed that the Yankees lost, didn’t make the playoffs, had a free agent bust, it is purely your own fault.

  111. Yankee Trader October 1st, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    JF-

    It’ll be an interesting offseason this year trying to figure out the 2013 budget. A-Rod will get his extra 6M passing Mays, then theer’s Soriano, Kuroda, Pettitte, Rivera, Swisher who can declare FA, plus the contracts of Granderson and Cano.

  112. mick October 1st, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    CC on 3 days is a no brainer if a WC

  113. Don October 1st, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    Girardi changed to Phelps because he was reading this blog!

  114. mick October 1st, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    It could be Hughes on a weeks rest or Phelps for game 1 ALDS
    we better get best record…or at least the div.

  115. Yankee Trader October 1st, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    Will we see Tex push a bunt down the 3rd base line tonight vs the shift? :)

  116. igotid88 October 1st, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    mick says:

    October 1, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    there is no need for nova in the PS, been saying it all along, take experienced relievers..
    eppada, lowe, joloroso,phelps
    and if phelps throws a gem tmw i would consider him over hughes.

    trade nova hughes and nunez in the OS and get younger…phelps will start next year
    bring back andy and kuroda, get a FA pitcher or in a trade
    ———-

    I wouldn’t trade Hughes. Not even Nova yet. And they’re both still young. Who are you going to get that is younger and better? And we can’t count on Andy for a full season if he even comes back. The league would have accustomed to Phelps and he probably has a 160ip limit

  117. LGY October 1st, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    Mick

    There’s enough off days barring injury there’s no circumstance where they’ll need 5 starters.

  118. LGY October 1st, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    IF the Yankees have to play in a division deciding game AND wildcard game.

    Pettitte
    CC on three days
    Kuroda
    Hughes
    Pettitte
    CC
    Kuroda

  119. JobaTipsHisCap October 1st, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    Safe to say arod will suck

  120. MaineYankee October 1st, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    This is from a poster on Pete abe’s blog.

    Roxbury MA (AP) – A seven-year-old boy was at the center of a Boston
    courtroom drama yesterday when he challenged a court ruling over who
    should have custody of him. The boy has a history of being beaten by his
    parents and the judge initially awarded custody to his aunt, in keeping
    with child custody law and regulations requiring that family unity be
    maintained to the degree possible.

    The boy surprised the court when he proclaimed that his aunt beat him
    more than his parents and he adamantly refused to live with her. When
    the judge then suggested that he live with his grandparents, the boy
    cried out that they also beat him.

    After considering the remainder of the immediate family and learning
    that domestic violence was apparently a way of life among them, the
    judge took the unprecedented step of allowing the boy to propose who
    should have custody of him. After two recesses to check legal references
    and confer with child welfare officials, the judge granted temporary
    custody to the Boston Red Sox, whom the boy firmly believes is not
    capable of beating anyone.

  121. igotid88 October 1st, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    If the Yankees want to get to $189 million they can’t have $15million relievers. They have to hope they get lucky with minimum salary backups that play well.

  122. Yankee Trader October 1st, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    Aren’t teams allowed to bring a certain number of players along for the post season games that are not on the post season roster? That might be where Jones gets to fit in.

  123. Warning Track Power October 1st, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    If Tex can hit 3 hr’s and strikeout tonight, he can take it very easy on the sore calf of his.
    Matter of fact, the solution going forward is all or nothing until the calf is 100%
    HR
    or
    K

    Nothing else matters!

  124. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    LOL

  125. PittsburghYankeeFan October 1st, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    Kuroda’s the “wild card” here. He’s getting tired and somehow he has to step it up for another 3-5 starts.

  126. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    The best medicine for this team is to go all out to win the division, hopefully clinch it with a game to spare, sweep the ALDS, and then get some rest before what is likely to be a hellish ALCS.

  127. Yankee Trader October 1st, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    IF the Yankees have to play in a division deciding game AND wildcard game.

    Pettitte
    CC on three days
    Kuroda
    Hughes
    Pettitte
    CC
    Kuroda

    —————————-
    LGY-

    I believe Kuroda pitches Wednesday. The first game for the WC vs the #1 seed in the ALDS is Sunday which would put him also on 3 days rest.

  128. JobaTipsHisCap October 1st, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    Sweep the alds? How can they do that? Reliable sp? Or timely hit?
    Geez.

  129. igotid88 October 1st, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    Aren’t the Yankees like 24 games over .500 with A-Rod in the lineup, and 1 game over with him out of the lineup? I might be off a game or 2 with him in.

  130. Warning Track Power October 1st, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    JobaTipsHisCap October 1st, 2012 at 5:18 pm
    Sweep the alds? How can they do that? Reliable sp? Or timely hit?
    Geez.
    ———————————————————————————————
    How?
    Scoring more runs than the opponent!
    DUH

  131. LGY October 1st, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    LGY-

    I believe Kuroda pitches Wednesday. The first game for the WC vs the #1 seed in the ALDS is Sunday which would put him also on 3 days rest.

    ———-

    F, you’re right. Flip Kuroda and Hughes and pray this scenario doesn’t go down.

  132. Yankee Trader October 1st, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    If the Yankees win out and the O’s beocme the WC, with the Rangers losing one vs the A’s which team is the #1 seed-Yankees or Rangers? Didn’t the Yankees win the series between the two?

  133. mick October 1st, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    Pettitte
    CC on three days
    Kuroda
    Hughes
    Pettitte
    CC
    Kuroda
    =========
    LGY-you start kuroda on 3 days on Sun in game 1? I see Phelps or Hughes.

  134. austinmac October 1st, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    To get to a $189 million payroll, if $10 million for fringe benefits is included, that means actual Payroll must be $179. They are at or over $210 million in payroll now. That is a $31 million reduction, assuming the $210 now includes fringe benefits. So, the reduction is 15-20%.

    Heck, lose Swisher and Soriano, replace them for cheap, don’t sign kuroda and and Hal is happy. That very important step of making more money is temporarily met. Can’t wait.

  135. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    Team Record in Appearances: 71-48 / in Starts: 70-46

  136. Warning Track Power October 1st, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    I said it last week and I was wrong, but I’m going to say it again tonight.
    Looking for ARod to bust out of his non-HR slump and knock some balls over the wall
    in the next 3 games.

  137. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    assuming the $210 now includes fringe benefits

    It does not.

  138. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    They need to cut salary by almost 25% to really fit under the 189 cap. Of course HAL is ignoring that the 189 goal is not actual payroll but the CBA definition of payroll that uses AAV and other things, but the team is not smart enough to game the system & the CBA is too iron clad to game.

  139. mick October 1st, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    that would also have kuroda on 3 days for a game 5, thats phelps or hughes again…

  140. Andymelillo October 1st, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    Who ever says get rid of nova nunez an hughes are dumb they are still young the yankees messed hughes an chamberlain up they owe it to them by keeping them

  141. LGY October 1st, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    Pettitte
    CC on 3 days
    Hughes
    Kuroda
    Pettitte
    CC
    Hughes

    :???:

    Alright, let’s win the division.

  142. austinmac October 1st, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    JF,

    Thanks for confirming the fringe benefit issue.

    Does Hal think we are that stupid or is he that stupid? I, too, could be quite wealthy with George as my father. It calls much into doubt for me. He’s either misleading the fans or doesn’t know as much about the payroll issues as we do.

  143. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    No CC on 3 days this year.

  144. GregD October 1st, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    I love this lineup………finally!!!

  145. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    I think he is probably just misleading the public. You know, so that when you are complaining some fan who heard HAL can go ,”What, its only 10%!”

    I’m sure HAL & Cashman recognize that their plan is a lot harder than simply shedding 20 million dollars.

  146. jacksquat October 1st, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    Most rich people think just about everyone else is stupid, even if they didn’t really earn it.

  147. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    It is politicking. I’m not sure any reporter has done the comment section reading or fact checking to call him on that statement, so he gets away with a little lie that makes what the team is planning to do not seem so bad.

  148. blake October 1st, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    “Does Hal think we are that stupid or is he that stupid?”

    He thinks the fans wont research the numbers as deeply as we do here….and for the most part hes probably right …..he will attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of Yankee fans

  149. Yankee Trader October 1st, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    JF-

    Here’s one scenario that has the Yankees opening up in Arlington for the ALDS:
    Yankees sweep and finish 95-67 #1 seed
    O’s lose one become WC 94-68
    A’s sweep and finish 94-68
    Rangers become the 2nd WC 93-69

    Rangers beat the O’s and face the #1 seed in Arlington, the Yankees.

    Would you favor the Yankees in that matchup?

  150. austinmac October 1st, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    It should become evident to even the casual fan when player after player leave. Of course, the team will sign old, big name players on the cheap to replace them.

  151. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    Maybe. Darvish is going to stomp this lineup, but I think they can handle the rest of that Texas staff.

  152. Jerkface October 1st, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    I’d prefer the Yankees did not face such a hefty swinging lineup.

  153. austinmac October 1st, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    I’d prefer someone else play and beat the Rangers.

  154. Yankee Trader October 1st, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    The cost cutting has already started, back in July before the trading deadline, when the Mariners picked up about 2/3rds of Ichiro’s salary.

    Look for more cost cutting this offseason.

  155. austinmac October 1st, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    I think we are in denial about the future cuts. It will be significant and painful. I suspect they will lose at least two of Cano, Swisher and Granderson. Hughes will be pretty expensive. Meanwhile, the older team ages.

  156. Yankee Trader October 1st, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    New Post—————>

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