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Cano’s turn to carry the Yankees?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 05, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Is it Robinson Cano’s turn to carry this team to a World Series?

The past week and a half surely erased any lingering doubt that he’s the Yankees best player and the heart of their offense. Derek Jeter is still the Captain, and CC Sabathia brings stability, but Cano is the difference maker.

“When he’s right, he’s the best hitter in the game,” Sabathia said.

And so it seems to be Cano’s turn. Alex Rodriguez has faded, Jorge Posada is long gone, and Jeter reaching base only matters if someone brings him home. There are plenty of good players on this team — great players, even — but Cano is different. It’s his lineup now, and in a year when the offense has disappeared through stretches of disappointment, it’s Cano who has to bring some consistency and lift this team if need be.

“I don’t want to put that kind of stuff in my mind,” Cano said. “They’re here. I want to learn from the guys that have been here for a long time, and that’s all you can do, just learn from them. When they leave and retire, you say now is my time. (While) they’re here, I’m just going to play next to a Hall of Famer and enjoy them.”

In Cano’s first three postseasons, the Yankees were knocked out in the first round. When they won it all in 2009, Cano struggled early and hit just .136 in the World Series. His postseason numbers were terrific the past two years, but the Yankees couldn’t advance beyond the ALCS.

But as the Cardinals showed last season, playoff baseball is often determined by which team gets hot at the right time. The Yankees won 16 of thier last 21, and Cano hit .615 with three home runs, seven doubles and 14 RBI in the final week and a half. He finished with the highest slugging percentage and second-highest on-base percentage of his career. He topped 30 home runs for the first time, batted .347 in the month of September and had the second-highest WAR in the American League behind Mike Trout and ahead of triple crown winner Miguel Cabrera.

“It reminded me of Matsui in ’09,” Rodriguez said. “As the guy hitting in front of him, you just don’t want to disturb him. You just want to keep the line moving. You want the bat in his hands as often as possible.”

In ’09, it was Hideki Matsui who hit .615 with three home runs and won World Series MVP. Cano is capable of that kind of series. He’s capable of being the player who leads this team to a championship.

“I’m the kind of guy that is always here early doing a lot of extra work,” Cano said. “You guys might not see me, but I’m the guy that worries about how we do in the game, how the season is going, how we play. It looks easy because, when you’re doing good, everything looks easy.”

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136 Responses to “Cano’s turn to carry the Yankees?”

  1. PacoDooley October 5th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    A lot of postseason disappointment the last couple of years, so it would be great to see a couple of guys carry this team (CC and Cano look the favorites).

  2. blake October 5th, 2012 at 9:09 am

    I think who I pitch in game 2 may depend on who wins tonight….if Texas wins then Darvish will likely throw game 3 of the ALDS. Kuroda pitched very well in Texas earlier in the season and Texas is a primarily right handed lineup aside from Hamilton….Beltre, Cruz, Napoli, Young, Andrus etc all right handed…..so if we play Texas I think I’d throw Kuroda in Game 2 in Texas and save Andy to pitch against Yu at the stadium in Game 3.

    If the O’s win then I may do the opposite…..I honestly don’t think it matters all that much because as I said yesterday I have confidence really in all 4 starters but especially those first 3.

  3. blake October 5th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    and yes….it’s Cano’s turn to carry the Yankees….if he hits like he has the last couple of weeks then I think they will win it all….if he doesn’t it’ll be much harder. I sure hope these 3 days off don’t cool him off……ALDS should be starting tomorrow.

  4. Hassey October 5th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Does the break in the action help Texas more, or Baltimore more, recover from a bit of season-ending disappointment? I think Texas, because Bucko would have had the O’s ready no matter what happened during the last week.

    Does the break in the action hurt the A’s, Detroit or Yankees the most, breaking up their season ending momentum? I think the Yanks needed that momentum the most, but we’ll see

  5. blake October 5th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    I’m not going to have a rooting interest in the AL wild card game tonight….bad mojo….I just hope they play like 20 innings and burn out both bullpens…..

    but in the NL game…….go BRAVES!

  6. RedSoxFever2013 October 5th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Cano is gonna choke just like the rest of the Skanks…. No way the Skanks make it out of the ALDS no matter who they play… At least if they play Texas it will be a quick and less painful sweep.

  7. 86w183 October 5th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Another factor to consider — Andy hasn’t pitched since Friday. Need to get him out there.

    Blake — good points on the lineup….

    Like I wrote in the last thread you can make great points for either order in games 2 & 3.

  8. Bronx Jeers October 5th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    A future $200MM man?

    Something like that. Still, I wish he’d run em out.

  9. 86w183 October 5th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    The break hurts Oakland the most. young, hyped up and now they have to sit. Hurts the Yanks the least… old farts need their rest, and we have lots of them

    The break helps Texas get away from the game after that disastrous 2-7 finish…. even if just for a day.

  10. jmv October 5th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    “yankeefeminista October 5th, 2012 at 9:03 am
    jmv, I understand, and appreciate what we did. That said, I am looking at our overall product. Still think we can get younger, integrate some more bat speed, better hitters for average, and not such a platoon happy lineup.”

    Where do I sign?

  11. Doc Iac October 5th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    a redsox fan talkin about choke? hahaha,

    blake i agree i hope the game goes into extras, but managers will have to use their best relivers for multipule innings,

    also, dravish doesnt scare me at all

  12. CountryClub October 5th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    Cano was as hot as he could be in the 2010 ALCS and they still lost. You need multiple people driving runners in. Having Cano hot will help, but Swisher, Grandy, Teix and Arod have to help.

  13. blake October 5th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    my feeling on the rotation…especially if they play Texas…..is that you are going to Dallas looking for a split…..if you win both games then great….but likely the outcome will be a split….then you’d be coming home to a crucial game 3 against Darvish….where if you lose you’ll be facing an elimination game with Hughes on the mound or CC on short rest……not that I don’t have faith in Phil but he doesn’t have the greatest track record against Texas’s lineup…..

    so would you want Andy in that game or a Japanese face off between Darvish and Kuroda?

    Of course the O’s very well could win and none of that would matter….

  14. blake October 5th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    also Andy has shown multiple times that he can come off long lay offs and be sharp….he just did it a couple of weeks ago and even if he isn’t sharp he can still moxie his way through lineups and get outs…..extra rest wouldn’t bother me all that much with him….this isn’t his first rodeo.

  15. blake October 5th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    “also, dravish doesnt scare me at all”

    he’s pitched very well lately and if he throws strikes he’s got the sort of stuff that can shut the Yanks down…..he doesn’t scare me….but I’m certainly glad he’d only be able to throw one game of the ALDS.

  16. CountryClub October 5th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    I want Pettitte pitching game 3. But I’d have faith in Kuroda too. I won’t complain either way.

  17. 86w183 October 5th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    It’s more the extra rest for Kuroda that I think would be beneficial.

  18. Shame Spencer October 5th, 2012 at 9:38 am

    So… we’re back to taking things very personally on the blog I see lol.

    Thank god I was voted the best looking poster of 2012 (by myself, but who is really counting?)!!

  19. Hassey October 5th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Shame – Gest looking, yes no doubt. But why the “Shame” moniker instead of just “Shane”?

  20. blake October 5th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    “Thank god I was voted the best looking poster of 2012 (by myself, but who is really counting?)!!”

    and most fun….and most charming!

  21. yankeefeminista October 5th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    jmv, did I state the obvious? I have been saying the same for a couple of years. I just don’t like the all or nothing approach to hitting. Long swings make me… well, angry…

    5 days rest I could see, but more than that and I would be a little concerned about Kuroda’s command.

    I’m off to a conference call. Back later.

  22. yankeefeminista October 5th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    Hi and bye, Shame. How’s lock-out living? Thank God for the mlb playoffs, right? Catch you later.

  23. blake October 5th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    “It’s more the extra rest for Kuroda that I think would be beneficial.”

    yea I guess….he’d just be going on normal rest in Game 2 vs I think 6 days in Game 3…..I’d look at the matchups more I think than the rest situation if it were me….but you can make a good case either way…..again I think it may depend on who they play.

  24. Benny Blanco October 5th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    blake October 5th, 2012 at 9:42 am
    “Thank god I was voted the best looking poster of 2012 (by myself, but who is really counting?)!!”

    and most fun….and most charming!

    ===========================

    Blake,

    I voted myself as “least controversial” poster. :)

  25. blake October 5th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    “I voted myself as “least controversial” poster. ”

    haha….you are a good choice for that…..and that’s a good thing.

  26. Doc Iac October 5th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    Thank god I was voted the best looking poster of 2012 (by myself, but who is really counting?)!!

    id like to put myself up for best lookin male

  27. blake October 5th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    I will say this about the new Iphone. 4G > 3G

  28. Shame Spencer October 5th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    Hassey October 5th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Shame – Gest looking, yes no doubt. But why the “Shame” moniker instead of just “Shane”?
    ——————

    I just like the word shame lol, and I’m a chick and I’m not named Shane. *shrugs*

    I almost forgot about ALL the other accolades I earned yesterday, blake.. feel free to continue to remind me!

    Doc – I’d vote for you!! Then again, Shame wants ALL the good lookin’ men.

  29. Duh Innings II October 5th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    To think the Yanks offered Cano for A-Rod (Texas chose someone else, thankfully) and almost included Cano in the trade for Randy Johnson. WHEW!

  30. Jerkface October 5th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    I was voted best looking mail, due to my personalized return address stickers and calligraphied addressee section.

  31. Shame Spencer October 5th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    fem – These playoffs better go to the end of October.. that’s my only hope. Can’t depend on the Cowboys to keep my life interesting until Feb, that’s for sure.

    But on the plus side.. here’s how the calendar looks: Halloween, Thanksgiving, Hanukkah/Christmas, New Years, Spring Training. BOOM.

  32. Doc Iac October 5th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    thanks shame :) id vote for u too!

  33. CountryClub October 5th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    I’m already sick of players & managers complaining about the WC playoff game. Just win the game. And I’d be saying the same thing if the Yanks were in it. Just win and shut up.

    For example, I heard Girardi say yesterday that it should be a 3 game series and they could have played thurs-sat with the ALDS starting Sunday. OK, what happens if there’s a rain out at the end of the reg season? or in the 3 game series? What happens if there’s a tie at the end of the regular season and two teams have to play a 1 game playoff to get into the 3 game playoff series?

    There is no perfect answer. There just isnt. And, if they did play a 3 game series, there would be players saying it should be 5. You’ll never make everyone happy.

  34. Shame Spencer October 5th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    No times released for the ALDS games yet right?? Kinda hard to buy my pop tickets without having any idea when the games are :/

  35. blake October 5th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    “I was voted best looking mail, due to my personalized return address stickers and calligraphied addressee section.”

    I guess its true that the good looking guys are always Jerkfaces :)

  36. Shame Spencer October 5th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Jerkface October 5th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    I was voted best looking mail, due to my personalized return address stickers and calligraphied addressee section.

    ————-

    :lol:

    When do you get back to the States JF? Are you at risk of missing a good number of games?

  37. CountryClub October 5th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    MLB ?@MLB
    #Tigers #ALDS rotation vs OAK: Verlander (Game 1), Fister (Game 2), Sanchez (Game 3), Scherzer (Game 4), Verlander (Game 5). #postseason

  38. Jerkface October 5th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Look is this becoming an LGY chart thing? I’ve answered this twice before with and without bolding! I’ll be in the states for the ALCS if they make it that far.

  39. blake October 5th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    “MLB ?@MLB
    #Tigers #ALDS rotation vs OAK: Verlander (Game 1), Fister (Game 2), Sanchez (Game 3), Scherzer (Game 4), Verlander (Game 5). #postseason”

    well that’s the luxury you get when you finish with the 7th best record in the league….you get to set up your rotation.

  40. Shame Spencer October 5th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Hahahahaha sorry JF!! That was actually one time I wasn’t trying to be a jackass (albeit intrusive none the less), I just skimmed previous comments and must have missed it.

  41. Shame Spencer October 5th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Maybe if you bolded the answer I would have been able to see it…. ;)

  42. CountryClub October 5th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    well that’s the luxury you get when you finish with the 7th best record in the league….you get to set up your rotation

    ———-

    The only team that’s getting hurt by the WC game when it comes to pitching is TX. They’re using their best pitcher in that game. But that’s on them. Nobody told them to blow a 5 game lead with 9 games to go. i just can’t feel sorry for these teams.

  43. blake October 5th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    MLB Trade Rumors ?@mlbtraderumors
    Padres Could Extend Chase Headley http://bit.ly/WuoApT #mlb

    blah

  44. Doc Iac October 5th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    Mark Feinsand ?@BloggingBombers

    Yankees first two ALDS game times announced: Game 1 is 6:15pm ET Sunday; Game 2 is 8:07pm ET Monday.

    the first game should be at 8 as well

  45. CountryClub October 5th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    Yankees PR Dept. ?@YankeesPR
    . @MLB announces game times for Gms 1 and 2 at BAL/TEX – Game 1 @ 6:15 pm on Sunday; Game 2 @ 8:07 pm on Monday; both games air on TBS

  46. Jerkface October 5th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    6:15??? Barf, have to wake up at like 7 am

  47. blake October 5th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    ” i just can’t feel sorry for these teams.”

    I don’t feel sorry for anybody either….I just think it’s somewhat crappy that the Tigers get to waltz to the ALDS while teams with better records in better divisions have to play a WC game and some teams with better records went home. The system is broken in that regard and if they are going to keep this 1 game WC thing then they at least need to balance the schedule….The Tigers would have finished 4th in both the AL East and AL West.

  48. blake October 5th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    6:15 does suck….

  49. jmv October 5th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    JF, when are you going back to the states?

    Just kidding, LOL

    Can all the voting start after sunday elections? I have a president to throw off that day. After that, I can get into the other voting

    I don’t want Verlander twice. On the other hand, if they get into that 5th game…

  50. CountryClub October 5th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    6:15 on a sunday sounds perfect to me. Be in bed by 10 (instead of midnight on Monday).

  51. Shame Spencer October 5th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    blake October 5th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    6:15 does suck….

    ————–

    Anyone wanna guess what time game 3 will be lol… Mother eff this schedule!

  52. DONNYBROOK October 5th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    You get to the Playoffs, and the ONE area that NEVER is mentioned or covered by the media in any way, shape, or form, is the HP UMPS. Each has his own version of the strike zone, and Every single one of them has an IMPACT on Every game. Depending on the SP, this IMPACT can be HUGE. You get a HP UMP who historically has a strike zone the size of a postage stamp, and Darvish is toast. You get a HP Ump that historically does NOT recognize the high portion of the strike zone, and HUGHES is toast. Obviously, a team is gonna Chuck their Ace in Game 1. After that, unless a team has a 1-2 Combo the likes of Randy and Schilling, they are gonna take a Hard look at the Umpiring schedule after Game 1, and plan their SP’s based on the HP Umps tendencies. If the Entire umping crew is decent when behind the plate, No big deal as to which Chucker starts what game. But as a Mgr, you gotta eyeball the umping crew, and schedule your SP’s vs who is behind the plate. I believe CC suffered from a HP Ump miss-match last season vs Detroit.

  53. CountryClub October 5th, 2012 at 10:22 am

    I don’t feel sorry for anybody either….I just think it’s somewhat crappy that the Tigers get to waltz to the ALDS while teams with better records in better divisions have to play a WC game and some teams with better records went home. The system is broken in that regard and if they are going to keep this 1 game WC thing then they at least need to balance the schedule….The Tigers would have finished 4th in both the AL East and AL West.

    ————

    really, what you’re saying is that baseball should do away with divisions. Because if a team that wins it’s division isn’t guaranteed a playoff spot, they shouldnt have divisions at all (and I’d be fine with that). But since that’s never happening, I’m not sure how you fix it.

    It’s the same thing with every sport. Ariz or Seattle won their division in the NFL a couple of years ago with a .500 record (or maybe 7-9) and other teams didnt make the playoffs that had 10 wins. And there was a big uproar over it in the media.

    Like I said, there is no perfect system. Someone will always complain.

  54. Jerkface October 5th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    Like I said, there is no perfect system. Someone will always complain.

    The perfect system is balanced schedule, seed by final record, no divisions.

  55. blake October 5th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    “really, what you’re saying is that baseball should do away with divisions. ”

    pretty much yes!

  56. blake October 5th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    I agree they’ll never do away with the divsions….so maybe the best we can hope for is to have the schedule balanced/

  57. Doc Iac October 5th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    http://online.wsj.com/article/.....hare_tweet

    i think swisher will have a good post-season

  58. Shame Spencer October 5th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    Alright.. eff this.. I’ll just take off from work on Thursday and assume the game on Wed will start at some ungodly hour that will keep me in NY until well after midnight.

  59. Jerkface October 5th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    Baseball would be perfect, in terms of representing a real ‘winner’, if it was a balanced schedule, no divisions, 7 game alds, 7 game alcs, 7 game ws

    But most of this will never happen. Balanced schedule because owners who suddenly lose games against the yankees & red sox will cry, owners who like being in powderpuff divisions so they can sneak in the playoffs without spending money will cry, etc.

  60. CountryClub October 5th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    I agree they’ll never do away with the divsions….so maybe the best we can hope for is to have the schedule balanced/

    ———-

    It’s possible, I guess. But I won’t be holding my breath.

  61. DONNYBROOK October 5th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    The primary reasons for going to a Division format\unbalanced schedule, was to reduce travel expence and save the wear-and-tear on the players.

  62. 86w183 October 5th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    Actually there is very little uproar when “non deserving” division winners get in… except in the towns where “more deserving” teams got left out.

    Every team controls its own destiny so they should just shut up and look in the mirror. Multiple division races are much more interesting to fans, particularly casual fans than making sure the five winningest teams get it. That’s why ALL pro sports leagues have divisions.

  63. LGY October 5th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Jerkface October 5th, 2012 at 9:59 am
    I’ll be in the states for the ALCS if they make it that far.

    ————

    So you won’t be back in the states if the Yankees lose in the ALDS??

    Need clarification. Maybe some bolding would help.

  64. DONNYBROOK October 5th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    Jerky in exile like some deposed dictator is enticing, but Not worth the Yanks losing the ALDS.

  65. Patrick October 5th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    Baseball would be perfect, in terms of representing a real ‘winner’, if it was a balanced schedule, no divisions, 7 game alds, 7 game alcs, 7 game ws

    This.

  66. blake October 5th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    “Multiple division races are much more interesting to fans, particularly casual fans than making sure the five winningest teams get it. That’s why ALL pro sports leagues have divisions.”

    the NBA doesn’t.

    I think how much excitement the divisions add is overblown because the teams that are out of it are out of it either way…..the only difference is that there team would be like 12th instead of 5th and to fans that have a clue they know that doesn’t matter and that their team is done either way.

  67. jacksquat October 5th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    All the scheduling, division, playoff format is designed to maximize profit. As with most things, most of the time, follow the money and you will get your answer.

  68. blake October 5th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    the divisions are dumb in the NFL too….it’s why I think the Seahawks got in with a 7-9 record a couple of years ago.l

  69. Bo knows October 5th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    Good comment on Swisher. To me he is the key player as he was through September, a lot of excellent at bats. Otherwise they pitch around Cano and carry on. Teix I see as a non factor, he’ll run into one occasionally. Does Alex still have one last shot? Does Granderson tone down his third strike swing? We’ll see.

  70. JobaTipsHisCap October 5th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    again, the guys who proposed 2-3 format are just morons.

  71. blake October 5th, 2012 at 10:42 am

    “Jerky in exile like some deposed dictator is enticing, but Not worth the Yanks losing the ALDS.”

    what are you talking about.

  72. CountryClub October 5th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    the NBA doesn’t.

    ———–

    Of course it does. Each conference has 3 divisions.

  73. Jerkface October 5th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    He is just talking about the kind of exile where the person still gets to do everything they did before in the same place.

  74. blake October 5th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    “Of course it does. Each conference has 3 divisions.”

    don’t the best 8 records get in though? That’s what I meant…..

  75. 86w183 October 5th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Blake —

    Of course the NBA has divisions and division winners a GUARANTEED playoff spots regardless of their record.

    In fact the division winners and best team not to win its division are the top four seeds in each conference.

  76. Jerkface October 5th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    The NBA’s divisions are almost entirely meaningless.

  77. blake October 5th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    they can keep the divisions….just make them for show and let the 5 best records get into the playoffs.

  78. CountryClub October 5th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    again, the guys who proposed 2-3 format are just morons.

    ————-

    I think it’s going to be advantageous to the better team, though. Win 1 of the first 2 and you’re in complete control. Going home needing to win 2 of 3 (or 1 of 3) sounds good to me.

  79. 86w183 October 5th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    This is an strange debate…. division winners that don’t advance? Preposterous.

    I get that you don’t like “divisions” but most of the world disagrees and with good reason.

  80. Shame Spencer October 5th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    The NBA and NHL have divisions its just not what they use to slot the playoff spots.

  81. Shame Spencer October 5th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    Well… they do to some extent, but its only one slot that could have a lower win/loss ratio that it might effect (the 3 slot).

  82. blake October 5th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    “I get that you don’t like “divisions” but most of the world disagrees and with good reason.”

    ok….I just like what’s fair…..I don’t like the Tigers getting to play the Twins and Royals, and Indians most of the season and then getting into the playoffs with a worse record than other teams…..it rewards mediocrity.

  83. Jerkface October 5th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Because of the 8 playoff team system, meaning an extra 5 teams get in, it is really impossible for a situation like the NFL/MLB happening where a team with more wins than a playoff team doesnt make it.

  84. DONNYBROOK October 5th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    It’s NO coincidence, that once TEX came back into the lineup, the Yanks started scoring again. Looking solely at his numbers is a Mistake. He deepens the lineup top to bottom. Coupled with Ichiro in the 2 hole, and dropping either Grandy or Swish down in the order, makes the Yankee lineup Extremely tough top-to-bottom.

  85. 86w183 October 5th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    MLB would really look ridiculous if all FIVE playoff teams came from the same division.

    I like divisional play because it clearly defines the reward for finishing first. If only one of 15 teams can finish first, interest would wane.

    You guys are thinking like intense, dedicated, knowledgeable fans. Casual fans are far more important to filling stadiums and driving TV viewership.

  86. Jerkface October 5th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    I get that you don’t like “divisions” but most of the world disagrees and with good reason.

    You can be entitled to the first part of that rebuttal but not the second part. With good reason? There is really no good reason to have divisions in this day & age.

  87. DONNYBROOK October 5th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    Try to keep up Blake.

  88. Shame Spencer October 5th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    “You guys are thinking like intense, dedicated, knowledgeable fans. Casual fans are far more important to filling stadiums and driving TV viewership.”

    But wouldn’t casual fans find it cool that their teams get to play the Yanks, Sox, Rangers, Angels, Tigers more often?

  89. JobaTipsHisCap October 5th, 2012 at 10:52 am

    better team should have 4 home games, 1-2-4-5.
    talk about 162 games effort.

  90. Shame Spencer October 5th, 2012 at 10:52 am

    Jerkface October 5th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Because of the 8 playoff team system, meaning an extra 5 teams get in, it is really impossible for a situation like the NFL/MLB happening where a team with more wins than a playoff team doesnt make it.

    —————-

    True that.

  91. Jerkface October 5th, 2012 at 10:52 am

    MLB would really look ridiculous if all FIVE playoff teams came from the same division.

    I like divisional play because it clearly defines the reward for finishing first. If only one of 15 teams can finish first, interest would wane.

    There would be a clearly defined reason for winning a lot of games, make the playoffs! The same as it is now. There is no clearly defined reason for finishing first outside of that in the game right now. You still get all the HFA advantage stuff & whatever.

    All divisions do is unbalance the playoff field and allow weak teams to catch breaks they don’t deserve while punishing better teams. I don’t buy casual fans being sucked into the magic of divisional play. Everyone cheers for the same thing, winning games. If it were simply top 4/top5 teams get in they’d be cheering all the same.

  92. m October 5th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Konbanwa, Jerkface!

    Hello to YF, too.

    I think the Yankees slipped, but not much. They still ended up with 95 wins.

    The real chokers were Chicago and the Rangers, especially if they lose today to Baltimore. The Rangers had a better record than us a week ago. Such a pity. :)

  93. DONNYBROOK October 5th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Casual fans show up come Playoff time. The regular season means little to nothing to them.

  94. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 5th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    Bobby Murcer October 5th, 2012 at 8:18 am

    Absolutely excellent post. I know the end of it it hit me square between the eyes and it’s something of which I need to keep reminding myself. Optimism and pessimism are traits hardly compartmentalized for baseball games. We are who we are. As ludicrous as I think it is for any Yankee fan to be giving up in the first inning, that same person has to think it’s ludicrous that I and some others never give up and counsel patience. And both “feelings” are come by honestly. I’m thinking that history should count for something and common sense should tell a fan that chances are great the Yankees will be in the postseason. But pessimism has to be such an all-consuming thing that the pessimistic fan has no way to get there. (Obviously I know that there are may gradations between optimism and pessimism but I am only referencing the two polar ends here.) And a pessimist can aptly point to 2008, and that’s probably enough to flame any fear.

    So I will do my level best to understand for the pessimistic point of view. I won’t even ask for the same in return because I think optimism by its very nature is more expansive and . I’m not saying it wil be easy but I’m going to give it the good old college try. It also doesn’t mean that I’m going to stifle my optimism. Au contraire. But I will attempt not to step on pessimists feet in the process.

    The craziest thing of all is that I’ve actually thought that there could be teaching moments in all the (what people have considered to be) “I told you so’s”.

    :)

    MTU, I don’t know if you saw my post referencing it, but you are definitely my idea of Rudyard Kipling’s finalized prototype in the poem “If”.

  95. Shame Spencer October 5th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    I bet casual fans can’t even name all the teams in their division.

    Who could blame a fan of an AL West team for forgetting the Mariners exist?

  96. 86w183 October 5th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    Fairness is a noble goal, though it is completely impossible to achieve.

    The lack of a hard salary cap is unfair to low revenue teams

    Revenue sharing is unfair to high revenue teams

    An imbalanced schedule is unfair to teams in tougher divisions

    A balanced schedule is unfair to teams more geographically removed from others — it creates much harsher travel for Miami and Seattle for example compared with St Louis or Kansas City.

    Life’s not fair…

  97. Shame Spencer October 5th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    DONNYBROOK October 5th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Casual fans show up come Playoff time. The regular season means little to nothing to them.

    ————–

    Hey, we agree Donny! This is actually pretty true.

  98. DONNYBROOK October 5th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    Yea, all we heard for Over a month was how the Yanks Blew a 10 game lead. Yet, they end up with the Best Record in the AL. Dumb

  99. m October 5th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    Division winners + best records. Essentially, 5. Wildcards. They changed it a while back to where best record, not division winners get home court advantage. Would like to see baseball do something similar. Especially in the world series.

  100. Jerkface October 5th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    A balanced schedule is unfair to teams more geographically removed from others — it creates much harsher travel for Miami and Seattle for example compared with St Louis or Kansas City.

    Overrated, every team goes everywhere the same number of times. Considering most ‘trips’ are handling a group of teams at a time it evens out.

  101. MTU October 5th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    Trisha-

    Thank you for the compliment.

    But I’m really about as ordinary as they come.

    ;)

  102. Jerkface October 5th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    Your revenue/salary point is bunk, its on the ownership to make their salary ‘unfair’. All the owners can spend. It is sport, not a savings account. Pay to play the game, old, rich, white dudes.

  103. blake October 5th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    They can keep the divisions so that fans can feel better about themselves and say their team finished 5th instead of 15th……but they should choose the playoff teams by the best 5 records in each league.

  104. MTU October 5th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    One of the babies needs to see the Vet today.

    I’ll catch you all later.

    :)

  105. blake October 5th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    The divisions keep some teams in the race…..like the Tigers….but what about the fans of the LA Angels or Tampa Rays who’s team was better in the regular season but yet they are going home simply because they aren’t fortunate enough to play in the AL central.

  106. Shame Spencer October 5th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    The Rays payroll is lower that a lot of clubs and they manage to have a better record than teams that make the playoffs…

  107. Shame Spencer October 5th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    The Rays had more wins than the Tigers, didn’t they? And the Tigers shelled out a lotta dough…

  108. Jerkface October 5th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    And even if there is never 100% fairness, why not get close? This is like umpires. Just because you may not get all the calls right ever, why not try to get it done as good as possible?

    When I make a robot and or mutant fighting league, I’m going to implement the fairest ruleset in sports

  109. Doc Iac October 5th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    i would love for texas to lose not cause i wanna face the O’s but how nice would it be for them to lose that lead n the lose the wc

  110. blake October 5th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    the only thing the divisions really do is occasionally allow teams that don’t deserve to be in the playoffs to make the playoffs…..

  111. Bo knows October 5th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    It’s NO coincidence, that once TEX came back into the lineup, the Yanks started scoring again

    —————

    Was that two games ago?

  112. blake October 5th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    part of me wants the Rangers to lose just because I don’t like them and because I think they are more talented than the O’s…..but another part wants revenge for 2010…..so I’m just going to watch the game and let the chips fall.

  113. Doc Iac October 5th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Shame Spencer October 5th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    The Rays payroll is lower that a lot of clubs and they manage to have a better record than teams that make the playoffs…

    ya but shame the rays also have 8000 top picks on their team too

  114. CountryClub October 5th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    So, at a 20-minute meeting at Tropicana Field on Sept. 5, players you would expect to talk stood up and addressed their teammates, led by Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez. Others who you might not think would speak up at such a meeting did as well, most interestingly Rafael Soriano.

    They all, though, took their cue from the Captain.

    A Yankee, who was in that road clubhouse on Sept. 5, told ESPNNewYork.com that Jeter’s message was simple: “We have been here before. We know know we can do it. It is just time go out there and perform.”

    “Jete was the textbook leader that he is, keeping it simple, giving us confidence that we can do it,” Russell Martin told us. “The thing about Jete is that he doesn’t talk that much to the team, generally, throughout the year. He did it a couple of times this year, but when he does say something you open your ears and you listen to what he has to say because he probably has the best mentality in being a competitor and what it is all about. This guy is tremendous. There is a reason he has so many at-bats in a year because he never gives up any at-bats. He is the type of guy, no matter what the situation or what the score is, he is going to give you his best effort and, to me, that is remarkable.”

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....the-season

  115. Shame Spencer October 5th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    blake October 5th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    part of me wants the Rangers to lose just because I don’t like them and because I think they are more talented than the O’s…..but another part wants revenge for 2010…..so I’m just going to watch the game and let the chips fall.

    —————-

    Like I said yesterday.. something about the O’s body language after making the PS in however many years just didn’t sit well. Buck has that club believing. Buck is sneaky good.

    I think that team relishes the chance to send us home and if they get that momentum swing tonight, our first series is going to be a long one.

  116. blake October 5th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    “ya but shame the rays also have 8000 top picks on their team too”

    Price, Longoria, and Upton were top picks….but a lot of their guys weren’t….Moore, Hellickson, Shields, etc all taken later in the draft

  117. 86w183 October 5th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    I think division winners and wild cards is every bit as “fair” as taking the five best records.

    Both have their flaws.

    My point on revenue, payroll and travel is just to illustrate how every aspect of baseball can be viewed as “unfair”. I could go on with many others but hopefully you get the point.

    The only true fair system would have teams in the exact same size cities with the same revenue and payroll, same average travel distance, same stadium capacity and playing dimensions and same weather.

    Otherwise there will be some level of unfairness

  118. Doc Iac October 5th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    blake October 5th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    “ya but shame the rays also have 8000 top picks on their team too”

    Price, Longoria, and Upton were top picks….but a lot of their guys weren’t….Moore, Hellickson, Shields, etc all taken later in the draft

    fair enuff, their ability to develop top pitchers tho is amazing and anoyin

  119. 86w183 October 5th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    In 2008 the Yankees won the same number of games (89) as the White Sox with one fewer loss. I never felt that it was unfair that they didn’t make the post-season.

  120. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 5th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    Hey mel, where you been? Happy to see you here no matter where you’ve been.

    :)

    *************

    I think Saunders is the right move for Buck. The guy is at least post-season tested. Unless a team is swigging Jack Daniels in the clubhouse before games :evil: , adrenaline has to be pumping, and even moreso for a rookie I would think. You want to talk about someone doing a season with smoke and mirrors! You certainly can’t point to cold stats because Baltimore scores high in neither R nor ERA. Yet they’re there. I’d say their 10th player has been belief in themselves and belief that they could win every game. The one stat you can point to is their bullpen ERA. They’re currently 5th in the majors. And that certainly helps to account for their astronomical “wins when leading after the Xth inning (7th? 8th? can’t remember) record.

    And kudos to the NYY who quietly ended up 8th in the AL in AVG. I only say that because I remember when their team AVG was abysmal.

  121. DONNYBROOK October 5th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    Texas has the advantage tonight. Darvish has been dominant for the last month. I would prefer the Yanks face Balt, but Buck has rode the horse hard, and it drops tonight.

  122. 86w183 October 5th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    The Rays getting all those early draft picks…. now THAT’S unfair!

  123. Jerkface October 5th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    I think division winners and wild cards is every bit as “fair” as taking the five best records.

    Both have their flaws.

    Except the former has way more flaws than the latter.

  124. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 5th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    “The only true fair system would have teams in the exact same size cities with the same revenue and payroll, same average travel distance, same stadium capacity and playing dimensions and same weather.”

    It amazes me that baseball is the only sport (or the only one I know of) where the dimensions of the playing field are “what they are”. It drives the purist in me crazy because it has to be a lot easier for records to be set in stadia that are friendly to a particular part of the game (pitcher’s park, hitter’s park).

  125. CountryClub October 5th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Contrary to popular belief, Jeter is not a better hitter with men on base or in crucial situations or in postseason play.

    He is simply the same hitter. His career average is .313, his career OBP .382, his career slugging percentage .448.

    And his career numbers with runners in scoring position? .303/.395/.423.

    In the postseason, the numbers are .307/.364/.465.

    And in a season in which most of the Yankees — including Cano, by far their best all-around player — couldn’t seem to buy a timely hit with Mitt Romney’s bankroll, Jeter’s numbers w/RISP were .310/.400/.380.

    The guy is a marvel of consistency and has been for nearly 20 years now.

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/ml.....eeps-going

  126. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 5th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    “But I’m really about as ordinary as they come.”

    Down to earth maybe, but hardly ordinary.

    :)

  127. 86w183 October 5th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    I think division winners and wild cards is every bit as “fair” as taking the five best records.

    Both have their flaws.

    Except the former has way more flaws than the latter.

    ————————————————————————————————————–

    And yet every pro sports league (and most collegiate) does it that way

  128. Shame Spencer October 5th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    Doc – True but that’s after decades of being awful… they earned playoff births now on the backs of their losing teams. Except they didn’t really because they didn’t make the playoffs lol.. I do love laughing at the Devil Rays.

  129. blake October 5th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    “In 2008 the Yankees won the same number of games (89) as the White Sox with one fewer loss. I never felt that it was unfair that they didn’t make the post-season.”

    In 2008 the Yankees would have finished tied for the 5th best record in the AL with the White Sox and Twins…..so they would have tied for 1st in the central yet finished 3rd in the AL East……..the point is that if the Yankees didn’t deserve to make it that year…..then neither did those two teams who played in a worst division yet finished with the same record.

  130. Hassey October 5th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    for Nick in SF and any other Dead lovers:

    http://archive.org/details/Liv.....05-24-1968

  131. jacksquat October 5th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    Jerkface October 5th, 2012 at 10:59 am
    Your revenue/salary point is bunk, its on the ownership to make their salary ‘unfair’. All the owners can spend. It is sport, not a savings account. Pay to play the game, old, rich, white dudes

    That’s racism and ageism! :)

  132. Shame Spencer October 5th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    86w183 October 5th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    The Rays getting all those early draft picks…. now THAT’S unfair!

    —————-

    They only got them because they blew lol!! The worst teams should get the highest picks.. You’re getting too far off the actual debate topic. Fairness isn’t the goal. Balance is the goal. It gives everyone the same number of games against the same level of competition. Control the things you can, and ignore what you can’t seems like a good approach. Baseball could control this particular aspect of the game more easily than others.

  133. Shame Spencer October 5th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    “And yet every pro sports league (and most collegiate) does it that way”

    Just because that’s how it’s done doesn’t mean it makes sense. At the time of the inception of these rules, I’m sure it did make quite a bit of sense, but travel/geography in this day and age are much easier feats to overcome.

  134. DONNYBROOK October 5th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    The only advantage to starting (L) Saunders is he will slow down the running game. The guy issa gas can with legs. Saunders getting the nod, shows how Buck has run the O’s arms into the ground.

  135. Shame Spencer October 5th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Let’s argue here :arrow:

  136. Fan27 October 5th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    My thoughts…………….It will take more than JUST Cano and CC to win the WS….the best way to win it all is to have EVERYONE pitch in. Arod will need to step up at key moments as will Tex, Jeter, Pettitt Kourda, Granderson, Soriano, Robertson etc…

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