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Do you believe in magic?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 08, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Until that four-game series in early September, I’d never seen Camden Yards full of Orioles fans. The place was always more of a home-away-from-home for the Yankees, full of Jeter jerseys and “Let’s Go Yankees!” chants.

These days, Camden Yards is something entirely different, and that’s what stood out about last night’s win.

“I was surprised that many people left that early,” Nick Swisher said. “This is an amazing ballpark, especially when it’s packed like this, so it’s a lot of fun to play these games. But that crowd, that was rowdy early. They had the orange towels going. What did it say, BUCKle up or something on there? I think more than anything, if we just go out there and play our game, worry about the things that we need to take care of, that’s where our focus needs to be.”

As soon as the Yankees started to tack on in the ninth inning — especially after Robinson Cano’s hit — Orioles fans started heading for the exits. It was over, and they knew it. Everyone knew it.

But it’s hard to overstate just how pumped up Camden Yards was earlier in the night. Even after a nearly two-and-a-half-hour rain delay, the place was packed with its largest crowd of the year. There were orange towels waving everywhere. The Orioles had such a magical, unlikely regular season, there was reason to believe anything could happen.

They’d come this far, why couldn’t the Orioles beat the Yankees?

“(Jim Johnson), he’s nasty,” Swisher said. “… I think his numbers kind of speak for themselves, but it was nice to be able to get to somebody that’s had that much success this season, in Game 1.”

Last night was a statement wrapped up in a win. The Yankees didn’t just beat the Orioles, they beat the best part of the Orioles. They beat the Orioles bullpen, in front of a packed crowd that had been waiting for the magic to show up again.

All year, the Orioles gave themselves reason to believe. Last night, the Yankees gave them reason not to.

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329 Responses to “Do you believe in magic?”

  1. joeman October 8th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    it’s what Grandy does, hits HR’s, K’s a lot more than hits,low OBP & a low BA…

  2. JobaTipsHisCap October 8th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    no, I don’t believe BAL magic.

  3. MTU October 8th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    Must win game for the O’s tonight.

    I wouldn’t write them off just yet.

    I like having AP going for us in these kinds of circumstances.

    O’s are gonna have to earn it.

    ;)

  4. blake October 8th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    One of the best parks in the game…..great f

  5. JM October 8th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Sure, I believe in magic…Yankees magic

    Do love Camden Yards though

  6. blake October 8th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    MTU,

    Series is far from over but the Yanks already got their split……now they have a chance to put a strangle hold on th series.

  7. RedSoxFever2013 October 8th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    Chen > Noodle Arm Andy

    O’s roll tonight 10 – 4

  8. Yankee Trader October 8th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    Chad-You said it all.

    I believed in magic in 96, when the Yankees came back from a 2-0 deficit vs the Braves and a dissapointing outing from Pettitte, only to witness Pettitte pitch a dominant 1-0 shoutout vs Smoltz.

    No magic with the Orioles.

  9. JobaTipsHisCap October 8th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    lol, Sux troll.
    what a joke. hahaha

  10. MTU October 8th, 2012 at 9:09 am

    Absolutely Blake.

    The O’s are wounded and they will be fighting for their playoff lives tonight.

    That makes them dangerous.

    Let’s just hope AP delivers a coup de grace.

    He is the kind of competitor that will go for the throat.

    :)

  11. joeman October 8th, 2012 at 9:09 am

    Yankee Trader October 8th, 2012 at 9:08 am
    Chad-You said it all.

    I believed in magic in 96, when the Yankees came back from a 2-0 deficit vs the Braves and a dissapointing outing from Pettitte, only to witness Pettitte pitch a dominant 1-0 shoutout vs Smoltz.

    No magic with the Orioles.

    ——————————
    all I remember is up 3-0 with 4 to play

  12. Shame Spencer October 8th, 2012 at 9:09 am

    MTU – What happened to jmv and luis lol?? I hope nothing series and strictly bet/blog related.

    I hope the weather doesn’t eff with tonight’s game.. I was barely hangin on there at the end last night.

  13. Yankee Trader October 8th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Until later.

    Have a great day.

    Hopefully it’s dry by gametime.

  14. joeman October 8th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    will be able to tell it early if Andy has it tonite

  15. jmills October 8th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Excellent win, and to think I fell asleep through the top of the ninth ( impeccable timing like my mother walking in front of the T.V., when the Leafs scored. )

    Maybe, you have a Gene Tenace or Pat Borders in Martin :)

  16. MTU October 8th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    Shame-

    Hugo appears to have won.

    Election probably rigged as so many are down that way.

    Sad day for V and for Freedom.

    :(

  17. Tackelberry October 8th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    JobaTipsHisCap October 8th, 2012 at 9:08 am
    lol, Sux troll.
    what a joke. hahaha

    ____________________________________

    Eh, he’s just looking for attention or trying to get a rise out of somebody. Just ignore him.

  18. MTU October 8th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    Gotta walk the Mops.

    See ya’ all a bit later.

  19. Tackelberry October 8th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    Tonight is actually a huge game for the Yanks too. Need to take a stranglehold on this series heading back home. O’s have played Yanks alot better in YS than in Camden yards this season.

  20. Shame Spencer October 8th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    MTU – Ohh geez.. totally forgot about the election. What a shame.

  21. joeman October 8th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Intellicast hs showers right thru 6am tomorrow

  22. MTU October 8th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Pressure is all on the O’s.

    If they drop a 2nd one they’re toast.

    They’re not take 3 straight as NYS.

  23. MTU October 8th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Shame-

    Indeed it was.

    :(

  24. MG October 8th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    I don’t play the ‘general manager for a post’ game (for one reason, I prefer to wait until all the information is in before making decisions) but what would be so wrong about just signing Swisher to a new contract, keeping Granderson under his option for 2013, and just see what happens in 2013?

    If they win #28 this year, they might just win #29 next year with this team, at which time they can worry about the future (as if it makes a big difference anyway, things change so quickly in sports there isn’t all that much planning you can do).

  25. Don Vito A. Bellamo October 8th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    Tonight is when the Yankees put the 2nd nail in the O’s coffin and Andy will be driving in the nail. Last night’s 9th inning was awesome to witness. The momentum will carry over to Yankee Stadium, where Kuroda will keep showing he is worth every dollar that was spent on him. Have a great day, ALL ! :-)

  26. Doc Iac October 8th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    what a win last night,

    i know cal is a god for the oriales and smoltz hates the yankees for beatin them down in 2 WS, but could they at least try to hide the fact they wanted the O’s to win?

  27. Shame Spencer October 8th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    “but what would be so wrong about just signing Swisher to a new contract, keeping Granderson under his option for 2013, and just see what happens in 2013?”

    I’d say nothing.. but now that the FO is being tighter with the purse strings, you gotta wonder if the money it will cost you to sign Swish will be worth it if it means they’ll be missing out on chasing other players. Basically, signing Swish means committing to (what I would think would be) at least 4 years. In all likelihood, he’ll get a 4-5 year offer from other clubs. If the team is going to let that type of commitment hurt them down the road, I’d rather they not resign him. It all depends on the FO mentality though.

  28. Triple Short of a Cycle October 8th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    That was the most unenthusiastic call on the Martin home run.

    Also the announcers never brought out the word lucky for the O’s all night but as soon as Ichiro got the hit in the 9th the word lucky comes out.

    What a joke these guys are

  29. Doc Iac October 8th, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle October 8th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    That was the most unenthusiastic call on the Martin home run.

    Also the announcers never brought out the word lucky for the O’s all night but as soon as Ichiro got the hit in the 9th the word lucky comes out.

    What a joke these guys are

    it made me long for michael kay

  30. Jerkface October 8th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    There is nothing wrong with keeping Swisher & retaining Grandy for 1 year. If they re-sign Swisher I’d say that is 75% likely to be the outcome even. However, given Granderson’s up coming cost in FA, his skillset, I think if they get a good return they should look at trading him.

  31. jmills October 8th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    Jays could use a veteren Swisher, we could use a few veteren somethings. Regardless of how the young starters come back – hard to win without experience on the staff. Morris was pedestrian in ’92,….but it was a pedestrian 20 wins

  32. jmills October 8th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    Ok,…so I don’t know how to spell ,”veteran,”…could say its the dumb Canadian way.

  33. Cashmoney October 8th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Yanks indeed did broke thru the best of part Os last night and they deserve credits for doing so. though Johnson’s stuff was up all inning lacking its usual sinking action.

  34. blake October 8th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    “but what would be so wrong about just signing Swisher to a new contract, keeping Granderson under his option for 2013, and just see what happens in 2013?”

    You could but I think the idea is that with the payroll restrictions you wouldn’t want to just let Granderson walk and get nothing in return.

    Now you can’t really trade Granderson IMO unless you can replace him in the lineup….but if for example they could sign Swisher and then either trade for or sign another legit bat AND trade Granderson for good value then that may be the ideal situation.

    My guess is they let Swisher walk and play out 2013 with Granderson though

  35. blake October 8th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Jim Johnson has allowed 4 homers to right handed hitters since last April……two to Montero and 1 to Martin

  36. blake October 8th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Basically all the announcers and everybody but Yankee fans are going to be pulling for the Orioles…..just the way it is.

  37. blake October 8th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    The 4G on the new IPhone is faster than my WiFi at home

  38. jmills October 8th, 2012 at 9:41 am

    Funny, opposing fans often perceive the Yankees to be under no cost restriction what so ever – Toronto has to start spending IMO ( if they can get anybody to play in Canada, on turf, on a just losing proposition – solution,… over pay ) – not enough hard core people up here, but a lot of ignorant ficklers who will go if its,” the place to go.”

  39. Don Vito A. Bellamo October 8th, 2012 at 9:41 am

    The best way to watch a Yankees game is always with the volume muted. Play some music or watch something else on another TV in the same room. ( If you can, of course ) Last night, I was watching Sunday Night football on my main big screen and the Yankees game on another team in my man cave. For YEARS all announcers, including our own, have been like nails on a chalkboard. It’s the game on the field that I want to see, not interested AT ALL in what some stupid announcer has to say about anything, really.

  40. Cashmoney October 8th, 2012 at 9:41 am

    The 4G on the new IPhone is faster than my WiFi at home
    ——
    that’s pretty impressive… what ya streaming blake!

  41. jmills October 8th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    Blake,…..I want the Yanks to win, so I can see how you guys party through the wires!

  42. RadioKev October 8th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Conveniently the Orioles already wear orange, making their pumpkin transition as easy as can be.

  43. Cashmoney October 8th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    In Grandy and Swisher, you have an idea what you get for the next 2-3 years, the decision is whether or not to pay them top market value for the hitters they are. The questions will be the possible declining performances during the term of the signing, other viable options that are out there and the overall offensive compositions of the team. It’s impossible to say yay and nay without knowing what the yanks have plan if they do indeed depart. overall, i am not against 1 or 2 year deals. The shorter the better when it comes FA in most cases imo.

  44. jmills October 8th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    Good trivia question – which team and staff had 4 twenty game winners in the same year?

  45. Cashmoney October 8th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    Os

  46. RadioKev October 8th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    I’d sign Swisher again, but definitely not Granderson. When that swing slows down, he’ll be out of a job in a hurry.

  47. CountryClub October 8th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    As of right now, there’s roughly a 40/50% chance of rain all night in Baltimore. That’s from 5pm tonight until tomorrow morning.

    A rain out does NY no favors.

  48. Cashmoney October 8th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    I like the idea of Hamilton in NY if the contract length is 5 years or less. Five is min yrs I believe Josh would sign for. I think he brings lot of baggage with him. The idea here to get 2-3 peak performance with Josh in YS stadium and going for it during those years. The downside is probably losing Cano when Boras demands for 8-10 year deal.

  49. jmills October 8th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    Cash,…yup. A feat not likely seen any time soon since modern arms fall off so easily and no one will try Mike Marshall’s ideas. Jenkins never lifted a weight and had 6 consecutive 20 win seasons ( the manager didn’t want the ball back .)

  50. JobaTipsHisCap October 8th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    rainout would be so tricky. the offday will be given up if so.

  51. Shame Spencer October 8th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    RadioKev October 8th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    I’d sign Swisher again, but definitely not Granderson. When that swing slows down, he’ll be out of a job in a hurry.

    ————–

    For all the power Grandy gives you, he’d be freakin awesome as a corner OFer batting like 7th.

    You just need a line up that makes that possible.

  52. jmills October 8th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    I can’t imagine the Yanks not making it work for such an iconic player in, Cano. But then again, even Orr left Boston ( he wanted to stay, but the team did mess it up.)

  53. RadioKev October 8th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    Yeah Shame, I’m not really down on Granderson’s production right now. I just wouldn’t give the guy another contract. What happens when he can’t catch up to the fastball? If he starts to deteriorate on the inside part of the plate that’s his career over.

  54. NYY fan in NH October 8th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Just because the Orioles have this crazy 29-9 record in 1 run games (before last night) and that this second game they will fight for their lives. People have to understand that Baltimore hasn’t been to the playoffs since 96′ and this is brand new to them. Being in the playoffs is a whole new slate. Let’s see if they buckle down or succumb to the Yanks experience.

  55. jmills October 8th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    The O’s seem a disciplined bunch,…my team doesn’t know which way to run :)

  56. Shame Spencer October 8th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    Kev – It all comes down to dollars and cents at this point.. I’m really hoping this off season gives us more of a clear picture regarding the Yankees limits.

    For now though, I just want ALL the players to get hot :)

    Winning one series can really give a team momentum. And I’d feel a lot more comfortable against a team like the Tigers in a longer series as opposed to the 5 game set.

  57. RadioKev October 8th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    The Pettitte v Chen matchup will be interesting. When was the last time Pettitte pitched? I’m sure he’ll be able to scrap out at least 5 good innings either way.

  58. NYY fan in NH October 8th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    On another note, Arod was atrocious last night. He is a shell of himself at this point. Will he ever show power again? Granderson and Arod need to show up for this team to get deep into the playoffs. My predictions are Ichiro, Jeter, Cano will be the guys who take them deep, but the other two need to show something. It’s only one game, but damn that was rough watching Arod last night. CC was fantastic last night. He was money and showed Yankee fans why he is the ace. If we see him again in this series, it will be in the Stadium.

  59. jmills October 8th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    ….Hitting the cut off person routinely is nice too – Bautista is a strong RF and has been missed for more than his bat.

  60. Ys Guy October 8th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    despite all the crying about it, i thought starting a 2-3 series on the road was a huge advantage to the yankees, although the A’s probably feel differently about it.

  61. jmills October 8th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    Goddess is smiling – CC and Pettitte in shape for the playoffs.

  62. Cashmoney October 8th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    Le tigre will be tough… though I see Scherzer MIA… could be good for the Yanks, if we are lucky enough to get there. Benoits looks though he is running out of gas.

  63. Ys Guy October 8th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    i agree with nyy, you can’t have a zero in the 3 hole. but the nature of a lineup is that a few guys are hot, a few guys are cold and the others add in what they can. right now arod is stone cold but if the other guys can keep it going, that will be covered up maybe fore the rest of the division series. but arod’s going to have to get it going or be moved out of the middle of the order for this to be a great year.

  64. jmills October 8th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Cash, maybe Detroit can bring back, le grand orange.

  65. Bobby Murcer October 8th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    For YEARS all announcers, including our own, have been like nails on a chalkboard. It’s the game on the field that I want to see, not interested AT ALL in what some stupid announcer has to say about anything, really.
    ————————————————–

    The best Yankee announcer for me was Bill White. Hands down. I miss him.
    Honorable mention to Bobby Murcer – but I can’t be impartial there.

  66. Cashmoney October 8th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Jerry Gerard (August 6, 1932 – March 25, 2007) was an American radio personality and sports anchor, most notably at WPIX in New York City.
    Born as Gerard Alfred Suglia in Chicago and raised in The Bronx, New York, where he attended Manhattan College, Jerry Girard went on to work as a radio disc jockey in places like Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, Altoona, Pennsylvania and Gary, Indiana, before returning to New York to work as a record librarian at WNEW (AM).
    He first joined WPIX in 1967 as a news writer, and in 1974 became sports anchor. He had a dry sense of humor and a style that treated his viewers like they were intelligent sports fans. He often gave horse racing results at the end of his segments. He also distinguished himself among sportscasters by eschewing the usual practice of showing highlights of sports games, instead opting to show key plays that would lend themselves to his particular takes on the games in question.
    His run with WPIX ended in 1995 when he resigned rather than accept a demotion after 21 years as the sports anchor. He was replaced by Sal Marchiano ([1]).

  67. Shame Spencer October 8th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    Some guys really do bring a lot to the table in their broadcasts.. I always love listening to Al Leiter. And I’d probably also like to join him for a game of beer pong.

  68. Ys Guy October 8th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    its pretty amazing that white stuck around so long with the yankees since he was such a non-homer. great game caller, he gave you what you needed and left out the BS.

  69. Cashmoney October 8th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    i love Sterling and Suzyn, it’s like watching two dif games for the price of one.

  70. jmills October 8th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Al Leiter,…left me high and dry.

  71. CountryClub October 8th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    despite all the crying about it, i thought starting a 2-3 series on the road was a huge advantage to the yankees

    —————–

    I agree.

  72. Shame Spencer October 8th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    I want to sweep.

  73. Ys Guy October 8th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    leiter is too unfocused. he brings up some good stuff but he’s all over the place. i think cone is much better.

  74. blake October 8th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    JF,

    The term “chinker” has been used forever to describe bloop hits…..same as “duck snort” etc…..I’ve looked online and can’t really find anything about the origin of how it’s used in baseball but I don’t think it’s intended to have anything to do with Chinese people in the baseball context…..that said it probably shouldn’t be used on air to avoid confusion…

  75. Ys Guy October 8th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    and the frank messer award for worst current yankees announcer goes to paul oniell hands down.

  76. Ys Guy October 8th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    i heard cal say chinker last night and laughed. it was obviously not a slight, just something that more polished announcers would’ve known not to say that but it was totally innocent.

  77. jmills October 8th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    I hope Tom Cheek gets in the hall this year.

  78. RadioKev October 8th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    This chinker stuff is ridiculous. I don’t blame Cal for saying it because there’s no racist intention at all, and it wouldn’t even be the right slur to call Ichiro! Isn’t that racist in itself? Get your slurs right, people!

    Chinker, like Chink, like a crack or opening. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/chink

    “Chink in the armor” – Hello?

  79. Cashmoney October 8th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    chinker
    usually describing an effective amount of super high grade hyptochroniconalite smoked out of a gravity bong.
    Yo Chris, lemme get a little “chinker”!?

    I’m out, Katie took the last one.

    I guess I’m having a ball with resin

  80. Patrick October 8th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    Getting the first win is nice but this series is far from over. Don’t forget, the Yanks won game 1 last season and they also took 1 of 2 in Detroit. We have Andy, Kuroda and a less crappy Phil Hughes this year though, hopefully the result is different!

  81. Shame Spencer October 8th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    One of the guys said ‘chinker’ last night?? Please tell me it was during an AB for a player not named Ichiro, smh….

  82. Cashmoney October 8th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    i can picture Ripken smoking a bong and contemplating his next batting stance…

  83. Shame Spencer October 8th, 2012 at 10:42 am

    If you type the word ‘chinker’ into Google the first thing that comes up is…

    “Urban Dictionary: Chinker
    http://www.urbandictionary.com.....rm=Chinker
    A deragetory word used to describe a person of the chinese nationality.”

  84. jmills October 8th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Cash – hilarious! Did you hear anti smoking groups want the line about Santa’s pipe removed? Geesh.

  85. RadioKev October 8th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Cal Ripken Jr. did not suggest Ichiro was going to hit an ethnically Chinese person with a bat.

  86. Ys Guy October 8th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    listen to it in context, there was no slur, cal wasn’t describing ichiro he was describing a weakly hit ball that found some grass. it was innocent.

  87. RadioKev October 8th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    I only bother commenting on this because chink is a word in its own right and I cannot stand the thought that no one knows the word “chink.”

  88. jmills October 8th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    I just went to Oxford concise – chinker ain’t in there and therefore doesn’t count. :)

  89. Cashmoney October 8th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    chinker is redundant when you have chink.

  90. Patrick October 8th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    I guess I was the only one that had TBS muted .. those announcers are pretty bad I didn’t even try to deal with it.

  91. Ys Guy October 8th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    i thought cal was pretty good last night, he obviously knew alot more about the O’s but he was complimentary to the yankees and added to the broadcast. the other two guys were terrible, and didnt have any chemistry. the main guy (was that ernie johnson?) sounded like he hadnt called a game all year .

  92. Cashmoney October 8th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    no one uses … micker… dagoer or limeyer… I grew up in urban NYC, i never heard the word chinker used once as a dis. but let’s not go down that road i suppose.

  93. Tackelberry October 8th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Looks like more rain in the forecast for tonight in Baltimore. Hope they get this one in.

  94. RadioKev October 8th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Smoltz sounded like he had a little less contempt for the Yankees last night.

  95. jmills October 8th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    Please, Robin Williams, level the whole playing field!

  96. Patrick October 8th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    They should get the home town announcers to announce games in the playoffs. I don’t want to listen to these guys that we haven’t heard from all year. I’d rather hear the Baltimore announcers when the games are in Baltimore and the YES announcers when they play in NY.

  97. Ys Guy October 8th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    when the networks used team’s announcers to do the postseason games, like curt gowdy or jack buck, they got much better announced games because those guys did games all year and were primed for the post season. taking guys who are studio hosts or national announcers like joe buck or ernie johnson doesnt work, imo.

  98. DaveD October 8th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    I thought Ripkin was fine, given the circumstances.

    Ernie Johnson is awful though

  99. Bo knows October 8th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    How about that in control, Swisher – totally amazing. Full marks to him. Quality at bats by damn. That nice stroke up the middle, pure magic.

  100. Villa Nova-Ya October 8th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Y’s Guy -

    I agree about Ripken.

    But was it Smoltz who called Martin’s HR? Just once in a post-season game, I would like the experience fans of other teams get – excitement about a good play/hit/whatever by the team they’re rooting for. It seems every post-season, when a Yankee does something like Martin did last night, the air gets sucked right out of the announcer’s booth.

    It might help if JUST ONCE an announcing team would carry someone who doesn’t either have an affiliation with the other team OR an palpable dislike of the Yankees. I just want balance. I don’t want cheerleading.

  101. jmills October 8th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    Why are O’s fans quoting a band from Boston?

  102. Patrick October 8th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    Gary Thorne and Jim Palmer for Baltimore home games
    Michael Kay, Ken Singleton and Al Leiter/David Cone/Paul O’neill for Yankee home games

    That would be pretty good IMO… Also it’s crazy how much better YES production is than any other national broadcast.

  103. Villa Nova-Ya October 8th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    radiokev,

    Smoltz was fine for as long as the game was close. The HR by Martin changed the tenor of the broadcast a bit for me.

  104. Villa Nova-Ya October 8th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    But to be fair they were very very complimentary of the defensive play Martin and Tex made earlier in the game.

  105. Cashmoney October 8th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    I think the Mets actually have a very good broadcasting crew.

  106. Shame Spencer October 8th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    *Sigh*.. not even worth it.

    “Patrick October 8th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    They should get the home town announcers to announce games in the playoffs.”

    It would be nice to have 3 guys in the booth and at least one would be from the home town team. You can’t expect the network that won the bidding war to air the games to give their entire booth up but it’d be nice to have at least one guy. Hell, if they took Kenny that’d be like having the home guy for both the Yanks and O’s.

  107. DaveD October 8th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    Remember the first year of this TBS setup when we played Cleveland, the crew we got was Chip Carey, Bob Brenley, and Tony Gwynn? A Braves announcers, Cubs announcer, and Padres announcer, none who knew anything about the Yankees or AL baseball.

  108. Ys Guy October 8th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    please the last thing i want to hear is michael kay and paul oniell ruin a postseason game with thier schtick.

    leiter might be doing whichever game mlb is broadcasting tomorrow.

  109. blake October 8th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    “If you type the word ‘chinker’ into Google the first thing that comes up is…

    “Urban Dictionary: Chinker
    http://www.urbandictionary.com…..rm=Chinker
    A deragetory word used to describe a person of the chinese nationality.””

    Yea but again I really don’t think this is the same as that….it’s a term that has been used forever in baseball and I honestly never even thought about it having any sort of racial connotations …..I always thought it was referring to “chink” in the armor like Kev said

  110. Patrick October 8th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Shame,

    Why would TBS care about the broadcasters? Smoltz works for MLB network, Cal works for MLB network and MLB radio.

    TBS still gets all the ad revenue, they shouldn’t care who announces the games. I just think it would be more exciting and bring more knowledge to the broadcasts if we get the home town guys. I’m sure the TBS announcers are doing the best they can but there is no amount of prep work you can do that will match following a team for 162 games.

    Wait am I actually arguing for MORE Michael Kay? Ugh

  111. Ys Guy October 8th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    just replace smoltz with david cone.

  112. jmills October 8th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    Its the first for me to consider chinker as derogatory, but then again,….I’m kinda’ stupid :)

  113. Patrick October 8th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    Just clone Vin Scully and have him announce every game

  114. JobaTipsHisCap October 8th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    LOL,cal used chinker?
    ok, he’s disgusting. Did he receive high school or college education ?

    feel bad for him, ugh.

  115. Mgumpher October 8th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    The term “chinking” is the material used between logs in a log cabin. It is the material that fills the opening.

    Using “chinker”, a person who installs chinking, seems harmless, putting it into baseball terms it means they found the hole in the defense.

    Yeah. Seems very racist to me.

  116. JobaTipsHisCap October 8th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    smoltz doesn’t even try to hide his 100% anti-yankee stuff.
    such an loser.

  117. blake October 8th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    I’ll never forget 2 years ago when Tex hit that big homer at Target against the Twins in the playoffs and TBS announcers I don’t think even said a word until after he crossed home plate

  118. JobaTipsHisCap October 8th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    just try to use a similar word like N word in public, just give a try.

  119. RadioKev October 8th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    I imagine it’s all a contract thing that prevents YES guys from going to TBS for the post season. In either case, having some Yankee voice in the booth, with Ripken, would be pretty beneficial.

    Would that be a better format? The play by play guy, and a color commentators from each side.

  120. jmills October 8th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    Joba, granted, I’m not going to walk into China town with, ” chinker,” falling out, but Blake made a point regarding the word’s common and innocuous use in baseball.

  121. blake October 8th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    http://books.google.com/books?.....38;f=false

    this is probably the best resource I’ve found on it…..and if this is true the origins of the term do sound racist…..but I’ve heard the term for years and never even thought about it being related to Chinese people and my guess would be that Cal didn’t either when he said it on the broadcast…..

  122. Ys Guy October 8th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    bottom of the 8th, tie game, runner on 3rd, one out, mclouth at bat:

    kay: so paulie i saw you eat about 3 desserts at the restaurant last night, so i know someone else must’ve been picking up the tab, yuk yuk.

    oniell: well we know it wasn’t you with those alligator arms when the tab came.

    kay: so robertson’s curve looking as good as it did in sunday afternoon’s win, dont you think?

    oniell: i didnt see that game i had to drive my kids to chuck e cheese’s

    kay: did you run them out of ice cream?

    oniell: they didnt have rocky road! what kind of kid’s place doesnt have rocky road! i had to settle for vanilla!

  123. Tackelberry October 8th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    Chip Caray was better than Ernie Johnson.

  124. Shame Spencer October 8th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    “I always thought it was referring to “chink” in the armor like Kev said”

    People got pretty upset when the ‘chink in the armor’ headline about the Knicks appeared with Jeremy Lin’s picture next to it on ESPN just this past season. Sure it has duel meanings… so use it when a white guy is at bat and don’t open yourself up to that type of criticism.

  125. blake October 8th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    I wish Costas and Kaat were doing every Yankee playoff game….it just feels bigger when those 2 are doing it.

  126. blake October 8th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    “People got pretty upset when the ‘chink in the armor’ headline about the Knicks appeared with Jeremy Lin’s picture next to it on ESPN just this past season”

    Yea but I think that was much more obviously related to Chinese people because Lin is chinese and everyone knows what that word means.

  127. Patrick October 8th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Not a big Costas fan … back in the 90′s he would announce every big sporting event and man it was brutal

  128. RadioKev October 8th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    That’s it. I’m taking chinker back.

    Reminds me of this scene from Clerks 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWdVwt2deY4 (Warning, could be offensive)

    Thanks for that Blake. I guess I stand corrected. It also brings up the question that maybe that’s where the term originated from, but it may no longer have that meaning or connotation. Meanings can change.

  129. Ys Guy October 8th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    ill pass on costas too. kaat may also be doing the mlb game tomorrow.

  130. JobaTipsHisCap October 8th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    from online dictionary:
    Nigger
    3. a member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons: it’s time for somebody to lead all of America’s niggers

    so, are u really going to use Nigger word to express what you mean? LOL

  131. RadioKev October 8th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    The Lin thing is a totally different context

  132. The Genius Maker October 8th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    This was my post on the game… http://stevewigdor.blogspot.com/

    One thing nobody talked about was what a huge mistake Buck made having the 2nd baseman cover with Jeter up. You gave him the huge hole. Also, Girardi should be killed for not pinch running for Ibanez in that spot…along with the Ibanez steal of 3rd base with nobody out in the 1st inning. if Ichiro did it on his own why did Alex fake bunt? and if he did it in his own, someone needs to speak with him. Horrible play

  133. Ys Guy October 8th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    you’re making way too much about chinker. its a legitimate usage of the word, although most announcers would not have used it because of it’s dual meanings and the fact that ichiro was at bat. but it was in no way a slur and there was no intent for it to be. listen to it again and you’ll see there was nothing wrong with his usage.

  134. jmills October 8th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    I stand corrected as well having only been thinking of the armour thing. I’m trying to think of having heard, ” Chinese line drive,” in times past.

  135. blake October 8th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    One thing nobody talked about was what a huge mistake Buck made having the 2nd baseman cover with Jeter up”

    Hardy and Andino likely made that call not Buck….you’ll switch up coverage after every pitch sometimes…..open mouth …closed mouth etc….

  136. RadioKev October 8th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Ys Guy,

    Well, coincidentally it is actually is a racist term if the ‘Baseball Dictionary’ is to be believed.

  137. Bo knows October 8th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Ibanez was not pinch run for, because at that point it was still a one run game. Let’s not get carried away here. Notice once he was at third, Nunez came in. Again the correct play.

  138. RadioKev October 8th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    Did we ever find out what the deal was with that Ichiro steal? Was that a set play? A-Rod was seeming to bunt…

  139. jmills October 8th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    YS, of course, context is queen, and none of us would want to be hung out to dry without a voice. Yunel,….remains a different matter.

  140. blake October 8th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    See I’ve never heard of a “Chinese line drive”…..maybe the term “chinker” originated from that but I doubt many people actually realize that and associate the two together. Like I said…..I’ve heard that term for years and never even thought about it describing someone from China in a baseball context

  141. RadioKev October 8th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Yunel Escobar is a petulant. He wouldn’t even recognize that it was offensive.

  142. Ys Guy October 8th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    there is no question that chink or chinker can be used as a derogatory word. there is also no question that both words have non-insulting meanings. so the question is how did the speaker use the word. and if you listen to it, there is no question as to the intent of his usage, he was describing a weakly hit ball that fall in, period.

    do you really think cal ripken was on national tv intentionally using a slur to insult chinese people (while a japanese player was batting?)

    common sense has to enter into it somewhere.

  143. Shame Spencer October 8th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Wait am I actually arguing for MORE Michael Kay? Ugh
    ————

    It’s sort of like arguing for more cowbell..

  144. Warning Track Power October 8th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Great game last night. C.C. did a terrific job on the mound, minus the 1 pitch that resulted in the two run single for the O’s.
    Martin with a clutch homer off a very, very difficult closer.
    Then the team decided to add on a few more runs to pad the lead and make it easy for C.C. and the pen.

  145. jmills October 8th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Yunel certainly is, something else.

  146. Patrick October 8th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    It’s sort of like arguing for more cowbell..

    I got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell!

  147. Ys Guy October 8th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    i think ichiro was a little over-amped for his first PS game in forever. it’s one of those plays that is only a good play if you make it. had he made it, people would have been going crazy about how great a play it was and how it really put the screws to hamels, etc. he just used poor judegement and wieters made an excellent throw.

  148. Bo knows October 8th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    Ichiro hits an awful lot of dribblers in the infield which is why Nunez as a pinch runner was logical to me.

  149. Shame Spencer October 8th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    I dunno what’s funnier, that this totally non-racist discussion prompted one of the posters to post the definition of the n-word or that people on here really believe most Americans can distinguish between the different Asian cultures lol… c’mon guys, the defense of this is that Ichiro is Japanese and so therefore it’s not racist?? Gotta do better than that. Different context my ass.

  150. Shame Spencer October 8th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    And I’m not saying there was ill intent or that it was intentionally racist.. but if you’re gonna be doing national games you gotta be more aware of what your saying. These guys are professionals, I don’t think that’s asking a lot.

  151. RadioKev October 8th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Gypped is also a racist term. Recently learned that.

    The more you know.

  152. jmills October 8th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Ichiro is Japanese?

  153. willwill October 8th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    When does Binder Joe Flip arod and swisher?

  154. blake October 8th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    “And I’m not saying there was ill intent or that it was intentionally racist.. but if you’re gonna be doing national games you gotta be more aware of what your saying. These guys are professionals, I don’t think that’s asking a lot.”

    That’s fair……he should have used “duck snort “…..unless of course that’s offensive to ducks?

  155. RadioKev October 8th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    Blake,

    They take the welfare of ducks very seriously in parts of this country.

  156. Bo knows October 8th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    And Wasp isn’t – go figure.

  157. Warning Track Power October 8th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    willwill October 8th, 2012 at 11:43 am
    When does Binder Joe Flip arod and swisher?
    ——————————————————————————-
    Don’t get me started on ARod. Either he is the worst batter to ever guess which pitch
    is coming or he really has no idea what pitch is coming.
    He appears over-matched. He appears to be guessing a lot and not really reacting to
    the pitch.
    At least his defense is still solid. Would compound the problem is he took his lack of offense
    to the field and hurt this team twice as much.

  158. jmills October 8th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    Can one say, ” choke the chicken? “

  159. Ys Guy October 8th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    i dont think arod belongs in the heart of this order, but i dont see any adjustment coming unless he comes up completely empty. girardi saw what happened to the last guy that dropped arod in the order…

  160. jacksquat October 8th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    “chinker” does not have dual meaning, I’ve never heard that word used as a derogatory term.

    This is just hypersensitivity again. And this time it’s just a word that sounds like another.

  161. jmills October 8th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    What I do find offensive are boorish and profane things at baseball games.

  162. Bo knows October 8th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    Wall Street ripped the guts out of the country and the protest fizzled – Just saying about priorities.

  163. The Genius Maker October 8th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    One thing nobody talked about was what a huge mistake Buck made having the 2nd baseman cover with Jeter up”

    Hardy and Andino likely made that call not Buck….you’ll switch up coverage after every pitch sometimes…..open mouth …closed mouth etc….
    **********

    Blake that is a Girardi excuse…of course that is what the infielders do, but the manager should make sure they have everything covered and you are doing Jeter a huge favor by vacating that area. If you throw Jeter a fastball then you must have the SS cover.

  164. The Genius Maker October 8th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Bo knows October 8th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Ibanez was not pinch run for, because at that point it was still a one run game. Let’s not get carried away here. Notice once he was at third, Nunez came in. Again the correct play.
    *********

    You are way off here. Girardi was alseep at the wheel, the fact the Yanks were up by one makes it MORE the reason to do so. Last time Girardi forgot to do it his excuse was he wanted to leave ARod in the game “in case we batted around” Seriously, that was his BS answer. If we would have lost people would have made a bigger deal of it; it was simply not being on top of the game; it was a no brainer decision that he realized he screwed up on when Ibanez was on 3rd.

  165. blake October 8th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Blake that is a Girardi excuse…of course that is what the infielders do, but the manager should make sure they have everything covered and you are doing Jeter a huge favor by vacating that area. If you throw Jeter a fastball then you must have the SS cover.”

    He can’t hold their hand out there…..it’s hard to blame buck without knowing why they had the coverage they did……

  166. blake October 8th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    Jeter hits a lot of ground balls to SS too….maybe Johnson was supposed to get it in on his hands and jeter just has great bat control and fisted it that way because he saw Andino break…..how do we know he doesn’t hit it to SS if he sees the opposite

  167. Shame Spencer October 8th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Would it be so hard to just say ‘he hit it off the score board.’?

    This is asking too much!! Lol, you guys are funny. Again, did everyone else just wanna ignore that this totally not racist conversation prompted someone to post the definition of the n-word on here? The context is simple: in the last two weeks two different broadcasters have made reference to chopsticks and chinkers…. only when referring to an Asian player. That is your context. This is really not that complicated. Spare me the PC nonsense.. this is not about that, these are professional announcers that should be expected to be a little better than that.

  168. blake October 8th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Again, did everyone else just wanna ignore that this totally not racist conversation prompted someone to post the definition of the n-word on here? ”

    Yea….kinda didn’t want to even give that the acknowledgement of a response .

  169. Warning Track Power October 8th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    John Smoltz in the broadcast booth for TBS is a huge plus.
    The guy knows about pitching and is not afraid to explain specific scenarios before
    or as they happen.
    The other 2 morons in the booth can not keep up with Smoltz and his knowledge
    of the game.

  170. Patrick October 8th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Yea….kinda didn’t want to even give that the acknowledgement of a response .

    This entire discussion is stupid .. just ignore

  171. Ys Guy October 8th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    they need to hit some chinkers off chen toni….uh, let me rephrase that….

  172. m October 8th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Due to the rain delay, I didn’t see a single pitch of this game. I was out, but following live updates. It was tight all the way, and on my last update I wished, “let it be 5-2″.

    It couldn’t be avoided, but I’m bummed that I couldn’t see CC’s dominating performance, Russell’s awesome all-around game, or Ichiro’s first postseason RBI hit.

    I’m glad they got the game in. Glad they’re 1-0 in the series. Not being too confident or pessimistic, just hoping they win Game 2, so that we can go back home with “triple match point”. Three chances to win 1 game.

  173. jmills October 8th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    Shame,I hear you – highly coincidental or as Jung would impart,…synchronous.

  174. blake October 8th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    I think Joe wasn’t going to steal there being up a run with the heart of the lineup up and Wieters behind the plate so he just stuck with Ibanez because he didn’t want to lose his bat at that point……once he got to third (which he did on the single just like Nunez would have) he chose to pinch run because their could be a sac fly or passed ball or dribbler situation where speed would make a difference…..so I didn’t think it was a big deal

  175. Bo knows October 8th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    You are way off here. Girardi was alseep at the wheel, the fact the Yanks were up by one makes it MORE the reason to do so. Last time Girardi forgot to do it his excuse was he wanted to leave ARod in the game “in case we batted around” Seriously, that was his BS answer. If we would have lost people would have made a bigger deal of it; it was simply not being on top of the game; it was a no brainer decision that he realized he screwed up on when Ibanez was on 3rd.

    —–
    You see, I disagree on both your points. Soriano just gave up a HR recently so in the Baltimore bandbox one run isn’t that shut down. The other, the pitch broke into Jeter, inside, so if the SS covers that leaves a hole on the left side. Both Buck and Joe are well known for thieir attention to detail so I really can’t see them missing such significant details. You write some quality stuff that I enjoy reading but here I disagree. No biggie.

  176. Shame Spencer October 8th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    I’m just glad that play at 3rd didn’t come back to bite us… as the game kept moving along I was starting to worry it might.

  177. Doc Iac October 8th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....gent-ever/

  178. RadioKev October 8th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Two big pluses from last night.

    Our bullpen will be fresh for Andy.

    We hit Jim Johnson, and perhaps we can carry that over into other games. Remember when we smacked around Joe Nathan in ’09?

  179. austinmac October 8th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    That was a great win, but it truly ain’t over til it’s over. Two more wins and then think about the next series. The O’s under Buck will not lay down.

    Suggesting Ripkin is being racist is silly. Their are plenty of other things about the broadcast to criticize. Why is Ripkin doing the O’s games. Shouldn’t an ex-Yankee balance it?

  180. Bo knows October 8th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    Honest, I didn’t crib from blake.

  181. The Genius Maker October 8th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Sorry guys, you are simply wrong about this. Girardi did a hit and run with Ibanez instead of Nunez; that is simply a mistake! You can try and justify it any way you want, but if he was willing to pull him from 3rd after sending him, he surely should have done it at first before he sent him? Also, attention to detail…yes with Buck, but Girardi? Please. Keep in mind, if you read my blog, Buck messed up but got lucky allowing their version of Rapada to face Tex and Swisher. He only allowed one single after leaving 5 pitches right over the middle of the plate.

  182. m October 8th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    I think it’s cool that the Orioles fans have something to cheer about. Wouldn’t be upset at all if they swapped places with Boston in the AL East power rankings.

    I want to escape this series with a win at all costs. It’s a trap series. The O’s may be believe in magic, but the Yankees believe in themselves. Septber was a great dress rehearsal for the Yankees. Not that they needed it. Just a little workshop for the good guys. :)

  183. The Return of Stoneburner October 8th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Do you trade Granderson and Nova for Derek Holland and David Murphy?

    Do you go into next season with Swisher RF, Gardner CF, Murphy LF?

  184. jmills October 8th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    That’s it, I’m telling AA not to sign Hamilton.

  185. Shame Spencer October 8th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    Didn’t Girardi call a hit and run with Arod/Cano as well?

  186. RadioKev October 8th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner October 8th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
    Do you trade Granderson and Nova for Derek Holland and David Murphy?

    Do you go into next season with Swisher RF, Gardner CF, Murphy LF?
    ————-

    Can’t we save the insane roster suggestions until the off season?

  187. Shame Spencer October 8th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    Bring your drama over here :arrow:

  188. blake October 8th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    ” Girardi did a hit and run with Ibanez instead of Nunez; that is simply a mistake! ”

    Jeter has two strikes right? I think it was more just putting the runner in motion with two strikes than it was a true H and R…..again I think after he got to 3B he saw the opportunity for speed to affect the ability to score enough to make the move…..I think too be probably wanted to save Nunez as he’s their only decent RH pinch hit option

  189. DONNYBROOK October 8th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    - LAUDABLE YANKEES FROM LAST NIGHT -

    (1) JOE GIRARDI – He called that hit-and-run in the 9th last night, which actually led to the game being broken open. The Cano 2B was nice, but that hit-and-run set Everything up. “From the Tiny Acorn, grew the Mighty Oak. We witnessed that last night in the 9th.

    (2) DEREK JETER – PERFECTLY executed the aforementioned hit-and-run.

    (3) CC SABATHIA -Stood tall, inna Mad House. CC stands for COLD-AND-CALCULATING.

    (4) ICHIRO – Got burned at 3B in the 1st, but remained aggressive and scored in the 9th. He’s onna, “No Deposit, No Return” mission. He knows he may Not get this opportunity again.

  190. Ys Guy October 8th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    agree that hitting johnson was big!

  191. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 8th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    You know, I started a message totally defending Ripken, and the more I thought about it, the more I kind of cringed.

    I admit I didn’t hear Ripken say it – I wasn’t listening that hard to the ongoing commentary to tell you the truth – and I don’t know how it would have hit my ear at the time. But I looked it up online, and this was the definition in one of the baseball glossaries:

    chinker
    A blooper; a dying quail; a bleeder.

    So what struck me is that the word isn’t so uniquely descriptive as to keep someone from finding another baseball term that describes the same thing. That was kind of the turnaround for me.

    Now, when I was writing my defense of Ripken, I took the time to point out that before I quit my job, my entire work experience was in the field of discrimination in the workplace. I dealt totally with Titles VII and IX, so I was beyond immersed in the stuff. So I was ready to point out that if it didn’t strike me as harmful – and I’m probably overly sensitive to the stuff – it probably wasn’t.

    However, in the name of fairness though, I think I should still point out the same thing about my work experience by way of saying maybe I am being overly sensitive to it because of my work experience.

    I do think we’ve gotten so PC in our society that people are unjustly accused of things and people do see spys behind bushes where there are none. But I’m also with Shame in saying that people on the air have to be so much more so PC only because people are so sensitive to these things.

    So I guess I’m saying that I can see why some people were upset by the use of the word when Ichiro was at bat.

    (But I bet those same people would be upset at the use of the word any time, since it’s got “chink” in it.)

    I also defend those people who feel there was nothing wrong with it because they truly didn’t feel any racist connotation. And I have to admit I actually was using YS Guy’s post as my jumping off point when I started my first post! (Chinker references Chinese, while Ichiro is Japanese!)

    Cripes, I don’t even know if I’ve made any sense here!

  192. Bo knows October 8th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    Sorry guys, you are simply wrong about this

    ——————-
    And maybe not.

    You’ve got Girardi and Pena standing over there, both known for top end game calling, which involves attention to details as the game goes along. Whatever they were doing I’ll guarantee they weren’t asleep.

  193. Hassey October 8th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    If Jones would have doubled off CC instead of K’ing, would we be dealing here with an entire page of Monday Morning QBing and fire Giro petitions?

    Or should we be finally complimenting the guy on the decision?

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