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Belief and expectation

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 09, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Joe Girardi said it again last night, the same line he’s used every time this Yankees offense has struggled this year.

“I believe these guys are going to come through.”

Girardi’s relentless blind faith comes across as short-sighted, but here’s the thing: For the most part, I think a lot of us believe the exact same thing.

Robinson Cano couldn’t have been better in the final week and half of the regular season. Nick Swisher was terrific down the stretch. Russell Martin had a good final month, Raul Ibanez came up with huge hits and Derek Jeter has been consistent all year. Mark Teixeira should have been suspect this postseason, but he’s hit the ball pretty well the past two nights.

For the most part, the Yankees look like a team that should hit in big spots, and Sunday’s ninth inning against one of the best closers in baseball was proof that they’re capable of doing exactly that.

But there’s an exception to every rule, and for the Yankees it’s Alex Rodriguez. Late last night, with Rodriguez at the plate, someone sitting near me in the press box said to no one in particular, can you believe this guy used to be the most feared power hitter in baseball?

“I feel okay,” Rodriguez said after going 1-for-5 with two strikeouts. “Some of these at-bats, you just have to finish them. You get O’Day 3-2, and he just made a hell of a slider, maybe an inch or two off the black. I don’t know if I can take that pitch tonight or any night, really. Get to 3-2, you have to finish some of these at-bats.”

Is that really all it is, just finishing some at-bats? Rodriguez did hit the ball pretty hard in the first inning, but the fact a sharp lineout counts as progress tells you how far he’s fallen. Rodriguez has had one extra-base hit since September 15. That’s one double in 90 plate appearances. Before that stretch, he actually had three homers in seven games, but right now there’s nothing in his bat, and his “crush and do damage” catch phrase has been replaced by “small bites” and “pass the baton.”

“He squared up two balls (last night),” Girardi said. “You look at the ball he hit in the first inning, he squared it up, and then he had the other hard single. Right now I don’t have any plans to make any changes (to the lineup).”

There’s little reason to believe Rodriguez will not bat third in Wednesday’s Game 3. But believe he’ll actually hit in that spot? Right now it’s hard to see it.

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322 Responses to “Belief and expectation”

  1. Jerkface October 9th, 2012 at 9:01 am

    Gotta win the next 2. Makes it easier on the ALCS rotation & not sure I trust this offense to handle a game 5 if they get down early. Plus losing anymore games to the orioles is dumb anyways. This is the playoffs. There is no room for ‘well it wasn’t our night’ or ‘oops dumpster trash orioles pitcher threw a gem, what are you gonna do?’ or ‘Just took a bad hop!’ or ‘Well it hung in the air too long and they caught it.’

    Less that more wins.

  2. JobaTipsHisCap October 9th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    like other posters pointed out, why would you be surprised by Yanks’ awful offense performance last night?
    It’s not on Andy; he’s done his job well; 3 er for 7 on the road, I will take that.
    You just don’t know which Yankee team will show up offensively nightly.

    Inconsistent offense continues

    and, mark my word, they wont be able to go deep in playoff.

  3. RadioKev October 9th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    We have to win the off day. If we don’t, we deserve to lose.

  4. SteveD October 9th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    If Joe Girardi had any balls, he’d start Eric Chavez at third on Wednesday and bench A-Rod. Torres benched Wade Boggs and Tino back in 1996 and that turned out pretty good.

  5. MTU October 9th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    If Chad is saying that they need to move A-Rod down in the order I agree.

    If Grandy can be down there then so can A-Rod.

    Will they do that ?

    Probably not.

  6. Yankee Trader October 9th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    “No one this time of year is going to lay down for you,” Alex Rodriguez said.
    ———————————————
    Alex-

    5 strikeouts, many looking in 9 at bats, the last one with runners on 2nd and 3rd top ninth, for the last out of the game.

    It would be best that you don’t get quoted and just go out and produce. If you don’t think you can help, go to Joe and tell him to remove you from the lineup.

  7. MTU October 9th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    Morning YT.

    Hike day today.

    Got to hit it soon.

    A-Rod may have foot-in-mouth disease but he is far from the only responsible party.

  8. Shame Spencer October 9th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    Morning all… I wasn’t expecting a sweep. These O’s won’t roll over for us.

    I couldn’t feel more comfortable with game three, though. With Kuroda going, you have to like our chances. It’s a shame Andy couldn’t get the win last night, but hopefully he’ll have another shot at notching a W in these playoffs.

  9. Tackelberry October 9th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    Gonzalez has been the O’s most effective starter against the Yanks all year. Surprised they didn’t start him in game 1 instead of Hammel. Hope Kuroda brings his A game tommorrow night cause Yanks don’t figure to get much off Gonzalez

  10. Hassey October 9th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Live and Die with the Yanks, but win lose or draw, it’s incredibly hard to believe that we’re once again watching the same playoff videotape (or DVD?) from the past X number of seasons. Still time to right the ship and rewrite history, but Holy F*** is this hard to believe.

  11. Jerkface October 9th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    the last one with runners on 2nd and 3rd top ninth, for the last out of the game.

    This didn’t happen according to the play by play???

  12. MTU October 9th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    Gonzalez has exceeded expectations but he’s due for a bad game.

    At least I hope so.

    ;)

  13. Yankee Trader October 9th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    MTU-

    Good morning. Sorry to be negative. The blog is at least in agreement-this team is so inconsistent.

  14. Shame Spencer October 9th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    Yankee Trader October 9th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    MTU-

    Good morning. Sorry to be negative. The blog is at least in agreement-this team is so inconsistent.
    —————

    It’s basically been the biggest complaint for the season.

    We’re slaves to our highs and lows. You just need to hope this is only a blip and they find a way to score some runs tomorrow night.

  15. MTU October 9th, 2012 at 9:24 am

    YT-

    yes. I agree with that. I’ve given my suggestions on how that should be fixed in the future.

    If you check I think you’ll find that the Yankees are near the top in
    come from behind wins.

    That’s also a surprise considering how ineffective they look at times.

    They need to broaden the O because when the hrs. dry up they are not good at manufacturing runs.

  16. Triple Short of a Cycle October 9th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    I couldn’t feel more comfortable with game three, though. With Kuroda going, you have to like our chances. It’s a shame Andy couldn’t get the win last night, but hopefully he’ll have another shot at notching a W in these playoffs.

    —————————————————————-

    Its not about our pitching. Kuroda will give up 2 or 3 runs and once again out offense will determine if we win the game or not.

    But to some on here offense doesn’t matter

  17. RadioKev October 9th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    “I believe these guys are going to come through.”

    Girardi’s relentless blind faith comes across as short-sighted, but here’s the thing: For the most part, I think a lot of us believe the exact same thing.
    ————

    But here’s the thing: The Yankees were the best team in the AL. They did come through this season. They were the most consistently winning team in the American League.

  18. MTU October 9th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    I think we need a more balanced O going forward.

  19. St. Pete Yankee October 9th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    As some one who watches virtually every game, I have said for a year and a half that Arod should be hitting no higher than sixth. Maybe seventh. I’ve also thought that the reason Joe doesn’t drop him in the order is because Alex’s fragile ego couldn’t handle it and he would be even worse.

    Ichiro had no trouble dealing with being dropped to eighth or ninth. (which then seemed to drive him into doing much better than he had been for the previous year or so). But that shows the difference in the minds of each of these two.

  20. Jerkface October 9th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    If you check I think you’ll find that the Yankees are near the top in
    come from behind wins.

    Come from behind wins just means you gave up some runs first then eventually won. All our starters have had a propensity to give up a couple in the first few innings then settle in (sometimes they didn’t settle in), so that is unsurprising.

  21. Shame Spencer October 9th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle October 9th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    I couldn’t feel more comfortable with game three, though. With Kuroda going, you have to like our chances. It’s a shame Andy couldn’t get the win last night, but hopefully he’ll have another shot at notching a W in these playoffs.

    —————————————————————-

    Its not about our pitching. Kuroda will give up 2 or 3 runs and once again out offense will determine if we win the game or not.

    —————

    Yeah I know. I’m just saying though, you need to like your chances with Kuroda. People expecting us to grab two from the O’s at home may have been underestimating them. That’s still a good ball club over there.

    I just hope we get to them early to take some of the wind from their sales. No doubt last night was a huge boost for them. We need to crush those hopes and dreams asap :D

  22. Yankee Trader October 9th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    JF-

    Sorry you are right. Am I thinking of Swisher in the top 7th when he flied out with runners on 2nd and 3rd?
    Or am I thinking of last year when A-Rod struck out against Detroit for the final out of the ALDS?

    Top 9th. Johnson pitching

    Jeter grounds out to J Hardy
    Ichiro grounds out to Andino
    A-Rod strikes out swinging.

  23. Shame Spencer October 9th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    MTU October 9th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    I think we need a more balanced O going forward.

    ————

    Guys hitting north of .250 would be a good place to start, no? :D

  24. Brappy55 October 9th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    What bothers me is that the Orioles have all garbage pitchers – none of whom are nothing better than a #3.

    Hammel – come on, the guy is a #2 in San Diego maybe
    Chen – best of the bunch, MAYBE a #2
    Saunders – Washed up, their version of Lowe
    Gonzalez – Smoke & Mirrors – dude is lightning in a bottle right now
    Tillman – has promise, but certainly no Wade Miley

  25. RadioKev October 9th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    A couple of things on A-Rod.

    He’s not doing himself an favors. While his plate discipline is still good, he’s just not punishing the mistakes. He hasn’t been driving mistakes or putting them in play, it’s just been foul offs.

    Jim Johnson was nasty again last night. His sinker was unhittable. A-Rod in his prime couldn’t have put those sinkers in play.

  26. mick October 9th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    It seemed the ground balls hit last night had a lot of english on them.
    Is that acceptable to say?
    PC, racist-wise, etc…?

  27. blake October 9th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    I think Alex should hit 4th or 5th vs LHP because he’s still one of their better hitters vs Lefties…..but against righties Id drop him down right now.

    The Yankees have to stop pretending Alex is 2009 Alex…..he can still contribute but he’s not that guy anymore…..it’s been a problem and one they have neglected for a couple of years now but Cano needs a real prime ages middle of the order hitter to compliment him…..I hope they get one this winter

  28. Shame Spencer October 9th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    And sorry I couldn’t make the game thread last night, so my apologies if I’m being repetitive, but Grandy had some terrrrrrrible swings last night. One that stood out was a ball that almost bounced in the dirt that he chased and missed by about a foot and a half. That’s no good.

    Also – How much did the blog freak out when Ichiro got that run in????? I was holding a glass of wine and the remote… both went flying as a jumped off my couch. My friend had been saying something to me when the play happened and was facing away from the tv, so he thought I was jumping up and down because I was really excited about the story he was telling.

  29. MTU October 9th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    I understand the disappoinment at losing a game where we had so many chances to win.

    But we did manage to split and that is really all that was absolutely required.

    They have to beat us 2 of 3 in our home stadium and anyway you slice it the advantage should be with us.

    If they can do that then hats off to them.

    See ya’ later.

    :)

  30. RadioKev October 9th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    Maybe the Yankees should consider flipping Swisher and A-Rod with righties.

  31. Cashmoney October 9th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    i don’t think home field matters much or the idea wasn’t being greedy or being happy with a split on the road. It’s about seize the opportunity and win every game that is there for the taken. onto game 3, the flaw hitters still littered across this lineup. This is what we have, i don’t think that’s enough ammunition to get to the WS. but stay tune i guess.

  32. austinmac October 9th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    That was a fair column by Chad. Alex tries his hardest and works his tail off by all reports. I wouldn’t boo him for his failures, but he is a mere shadow of his former self. One extra base hit in 90 at bats. Gardner has more pop.

    Whenever the team does get a rare hit with RISP, it seems they still don’t score.

    Unfortunately, I am not optimistic because the offense is so inconsistent.

  33. Yankee Trader October 9th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    MTU-

    I believe the announcers, the biased pro Oriole announcers[therefore includes all of the TBS ones], said that the Orioles took 2 of 3 twice this year in YS.

  34. YES October 9th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Girardi’s lack of vision & his resistance to change will do the Yankees in, just like it has every season since he became manager. (09 was the exception when Alex, CC and Matsui got so hot it didn’t matter who the manager was).

    I hate to knock Alex, in fact he has been my favorite player and the reason why I follow the Yankees. However, he is not a middle of the order bat anymore. The only reason the team keeps him in that slot is to justify the salary they are paying him.

    Hey, theres nothing wrong with having a 37 yr. old 3rd baseman who gives you 20 HR’s / 70 RBI’s / and hits .270 along with leadership and solid defense. Any team would take that, except that they would usually bat him 7th in the lineup, not 3rd. (i.e. Scott Rolen)

    Alex’s contract & the back of his baseball card are determining where he hits right now. Moving him down in the lineup might actually take some pressure off him. I’m not talking about embarrasing him like Torre did when he dropped him to 8th in the lineup, but rather by hit him in the 6th or 7th slot against RHP.

    The question is, can Girardi manage a game as opposed to over managing it? I doubt it.

  35. blake October 9th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    LHP
    Jeter
    Ichiro
    Cano
    Tex
    Arod
    Swisher
    Martin
    Granderson
    Nunez

    RHP

    Jeter
    Ichiro
    Cano
    Tex
    Swisher
    Arod
    Granderson
    Martin
    Ibanez/Chavez

  36. austinmac October 9th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Mick,

    I am offended. I suppose you call fried potatoes French don’t you? Very disappointing.

  37. JobaTipsHisCap October 9th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Granderson. He’s like swing 3-4 times and k-ed all night long

  38. mick October 9th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Here is your order for tmw:
    Jete, Ichi,Cano, Tex, Chavez 3B, Arod DH, Grandy, Martin, Swisher

  39. blake October 9th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    The real question from last night was whether or not Ichiro’s teammates calling him a ninja was stereotyping ? :)

  40. Brappy55 October 9th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    I’m just hoping Wednesday isn’t a close game at all. It would be nice to have a breakout offense game and chase Gonzalez by the 4th inning. To give Kuroda a 4 or 5 run lead would inspire confidence and get the crowd amped. I feel if we’re tied, or down a run heading into the 7th or 8th – we’re setting up for failure.

  41. mick October 9th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    Mac
    The only fries I like are Nathan’s Fried, esp when he’s facing us.

  42. Yankee Trader October 9th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    If the Cardinals advance further maybe Cashman should look, in the offseason, to trade for some of their players, who know how to play and contribute in the playoffs, when the underdog-Freese, Jay, Craig, etc.

  43. yankee21 October 9th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    It basically comes down to a 3 game series for NY at home with Kuroda and CC pitching in two of those games. If NY does not win this series A-rod will not be the only one to blame.

    Nunez and Jeter failed in critical moments last night. As did Swisher and Cano. As did Andy against C. Davis. You win and lose as a team.

    NYY fate is in their hands. When there offense is clicking, nobody and no pitcher can stop them. When their offense starts flailing away, HOU can beat them.

    My money is on NY to advance. They have too much talent to be one and done against BAL.

  44. mick October 9th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    My question is: Does Girardi have the cajones to drop Arod and Swish in the order?
    To actually call them into his office and humiliate them.
    Is it loyalty or is it fear that drives him.
    He is just too conservative …

  45. Yankee Trader October 9th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Mick-

    You must have looked at these stats vs Gonzalez, batting Swisher last. :)

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....l-gonzalez

  46. mick October 9th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    YT
    I didn’t .
    Now that I have I would sit him and play Ibanez in RF and Ichiro in left.

  47. austinmac October 9th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    I believe the O’s have won all three series this year in New York. The announcers may be biased, but those are the facts.

  48. mick October 9th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    I don’t get one thing.
    If something isn’t working don’t you try to fix it?
    Or is that disloyal?

  49. austinmac October 9th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    Those are ugly lines against Gonzalez. Yes, we can expect Swisher to break out with his five Ks in six at bats this year.

    I heard on MLB radio they expect Swisher to seek Werth money. I wish the team who signs him to that type of contract much luck. After all the Werth contract turned out great, didn’t it?

  50. mick October 9th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    Who is pitching game 4 for the O’s?
    Surprised he used Chen at home , he and Saunders at the Stadium and turn around our leftys …

  51. mick October 9th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    I see the sux going hard after swisher.

  52. blake October 9th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    mick says:
    October 9, 2012 at 9:53 am
    I see the sux going hard after swisher.

    I agree

  53. RadioKev October 9th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    mick October 9th, 2012 at 9:45 am
    My question is: Does Girardi have the cajones to drop Arod and Swish in the order?
    To actually call them into his office and humiliate them.
    Is it loyalty or is it fear that drives him.
    He is just too conservative …
    ———–

    Yes mick, humiliation is a great way to lead your team of veterans. Yes, you’re right.

  54. yankee21 October 9th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    mick, are you serious, you are asking Joe G to change the way he operates in a playoff series?

    Girardi is the most rigid, inflexible, robotic manager in existence, he ain’t changing jack until the evidence is so over-weighted it compels him beyond a reasonable doubt into a change.

    Joe G will parade out the same line-up.

    These guys need to hit, period. It is on them. All of them, not just Arod and Swisher but also the other guys early in the game in key situations. No excuses. Get the job done.

    I said before the series started the two key offensive guys were Arod and Swisher- they were the wildcards. Lets see how it proves out over the full series.

  55. mick October 9th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    kev
    you misinterpret what i say.
    I am not saying to humiliate them, I am saying it might tho if he dropped them in the order.
    For the good of the team, not to humiliate them.
    If it does tho, too bad…

  56. Bronx Jeers October 9th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    What’s all this “believe” crap? Isn’t that the Mets or Tug McGraw’s thing?

  57. CompassRosy October 9th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    austinmac says:
    October 9, 2012 at 9:47 am
    I believe the O’s have won all three series this year in New York. The announcers may be biased, but those are the facts.

    ~

    Rather odd…
    Yanks were 6-3 in Baltimore
    O’s were 6-3 in New York

    But, that was the regular season…,

  58. mick October 9th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    swisher, tex and arod…you gotta keep em separated…

  59. Shame Spencer October 9th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Bronx Jeers October 9th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    What’s all this “believe” crap? Isn’t that the Mets or Tug McGraw’s thing?

    —————-

    Ya know, its kinda funny actually… I thought that was the O’s thing this year lol.

  60. Yankee Trader October 9th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Bobby Cox will probably go to the HOF.

    He was very loyal to his players.

    The Braves won their division 14 straight years from 1991 thru 2005, and were in 5 WS during the 90′s.

    The Braves won ionly one WS under Cox, needing a Glavine shutout and a Justice homerun to beat Cleveland for the 2005 WS.

    That’s what loyalty gets you!

  61. Bronx Jeers October 9th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Ya know, its kinda funny actually… I thought that was the O’s thing this year lol.

    ———————

    Oh lord. It just gets worse.

  62. austinmac October 9th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    The team needs to win two of three. If they do not, they are not good enough. They weren’t good enough last year of in 2010. No crap shoot BS. The players have to produce.

    If they do lose, and I hear the term crap shoot, my head will explode. Instead, it will be the result of shortcomings that have beern obvious for two years.

  63. RadioKev October 9th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Chad said it all year long. This team knows what they have to do. They know the expectations. Girardi doesn’t have to set anyone straight here.

    Some things your manager can control. The flow of the line up is one of them, and considerations should be made there, but it’s hardly dire. I don’t see an obvious team construction that is significantly better.

    In fact I remember seeing a lot of comments earlier yesterday about how they liked the lineup.

  64. gsmith140 October 9th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    This story gets tiring after a while. The O’s get a hit seemingly every time they have a guy in scoring position. The Yanks struggle to hit a guy who is throwing 91 mph fastballs three out of every four pitches.

    If Girardi wants to keep A-Rod in the lineup, fine, but for god’s sake move him down the order. He is a giant black hole in the three spot.

    And I have been a bit of a Swisher defender in the past, but I am about done with him. He just goes into a shell in the postseason. Every time he comes up with guys on base, I wanted to bury my head in a pillow.

    I will say this for A-Rod AND Swisher: they’re both really adept at fouling off fastballs down the middle.

  65. mick October 9th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    If Hal is paying attention, he will realize that he loses money if they don’t win this series.
    Maybe he whispers in Cash’s ear and tells him to shake things up.

  66. Yankee Trader October 9th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    Have to go.

    Have a great day.

    Yankees need to support Kuroda early and often as well as Hughes and get this series over with in 4, as the Tigers might very well wrap it up tonight.

  67. Madrugador October 9th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    I am not sure what you would have Girardi say. Do you want him to say, “I don’t believe in this group of guys. I can’t believe we made it this far.” ? That ain’t gonna happen.

    I would be very surprised if Arod started to hit for power and only slightly less if he started to hit for average. Except for a brief period this year, he has done neither. Granderson was finally dropped down in the line up to where he belongs and smiley Jones is finally no longer playing either but it took forever for Girardi to realize that. Arod should be batting no higher than 6th in this lineup but then again, I don’t get to turn in the lineup card. At this point all I can do is cheer, “Let’s Go Arod, Let’s Go Yankees!”

  68. Cashmoney October 9th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Or maybe Mick, he shakes Cashman by the shoulder, and kick that little nerd in the butt and out of door. Mmm… I actually like to see that.

  69. yankee21 October 9th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    agree austinmac 100%. It is an insult to any fan and I would think most ball-players that success in the PS is a freaking “crap-shoot”. Of-course there is an element of chance, any idioit knows that but it ultimately comes down to execution in key moments, a good pitch there a good AB there, a key hit here. They add up to runs, wins and series victories.

    Any reporter worth their salt needs to immediately call out Cashman and or Levine and or Girardi if they dare use that line with a reply along the lines of:

    I guess what you are saying Brian is the Yankees 4 championships over 5 years and the ring in 2009 was basically due to flat out good luck? Ditto the results STL and SF had the last two years, they were lucky?

  70. mick October 9th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    Swishers bipolar nature is 2nd to none.
    The 1st 2 games illustrate that as he was completely relaxed game 1 and tight as a drum last night.
    This is the reason he is gone next year.
    He is a compiler.

  71. Andymelillo October 9th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    Girardi doesn’t have guts to sit AROid.If we lose this series because of his fat head.goodbye girardi. Arod Is done an only hurting the team.joe genius is smarter than all Of us.

  72. RadioKev October 9th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    mick October 9th, 2012 at 10:03 am
    If Hal is paying attention, he will realize that he loses money if they don’t win this series.
    Maybe he whispers in Cash’s ear and tells him to shake things up.
    ———

    Like sign John Lackey, Adrian Gonzalez, and Carl Crawford?

  73. DONNYBROOK October 9th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    ?????????????? WHY THE HELL ???????????????

    (1) Didn’t CANO make a DIVE at the single that drove in the winning run? Same old, same old with this guy. He failed to dive vs Tampa, and NOW is reprising that tired act at the most Crucial time of the season. $20Mill+ per for this??? NO WAY

    (2) Didn’t Girardi pinch run for TEX in the 8th? No way TEX woulda scored the tying run onna 2B from 1B. So I guess Girardi was anticipating 2 More hits following TEX’s hit??? DUMB

    (3) Didn’t we get More than 1 camera view\replay of that DP by Andino??? THAT, turned out to be THE Most crucial play of the game, and the question of whether the ball was Trapped remains unanswered. Millions of $$$ of technology wasted by TBS.

    (4) Didn’t Girardi climb HP Ump’s tree? The guy was Brutal the Entire game, and he turned a Crucial Nunez AB in the 4th, in favor of the O’s by burying Nunez inna 1-2 count. Again, you want Expanded Replay??? You wanna “get it right”??? Then start with the HP Ump’s Balls\Strikes calls. These calls dictate a close games outcome MORE than any other call(s) on the field.

  74. jacksquat October 9th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    So far this seems the consensus LoHud Lineup for game 3:

    Jeter – SS
    Ichiro – LF
    Cano – 2B
    Teixeira – 1B
    Chavez – 3B
    Swisher – RF
    Ibanez – DH
    Martin – C
    Gardner – CF

    Sorry I couldn’t get rid of Swisher…

  75. mick October 9th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    Like sign John Lackey, Adrian Gonzalez, and Carl Crawford?
    ===================
    what is your point?

  76. Cashmoney October 9th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    i like that lineup Jack, except I would put Grandyman in there instead of Swisher… but either way.

  77. blake October 9th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    I don’t think anybody Really wants Arod out of the lineup vs the lefty tomorrow

  78. Mike in Chicago October 9th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    Shame Spencer October 9th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Bronx Jeers October 9th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    What’s all this “believe” crap? Isn’t that the Mets or Tug McGraw’s thing?

    —————-

    Ya know, its kinda funny actually… I thought that was the O’s thing this year lol.

    ————

    The “Believe” campaign in Baltimore is aimed at stopping drug trafficking, violence, etc., and is the brainchild of Richard Burton, a City Council member.

    At Home Depots in Baltimore, you can get black trash bins with the word “Believe” written in white. Kind of like a 1970′s conceptual artwork.

    My favorite are the bumper stickers that say “B’lieve, Hon.”

    Bawlmer has had some great city campaigns. Another favorite of mine are the public benches that say “Baltimore: The City that Reads.”

  79. 86w183 October 9th, 2012 at 10:10 am

    One man’s lineup:

    Jeter 6
    Ichiro 7
    Cano 4
    Tex 3
    Ibanez 9
    ARod DH
    Chavez 5
    Martin 2
    Gardner 8 (health permitting, we really don’t know)

    Girardi can do this, but he has to tell ARod and Swisher before he posts it.

  80. jacksquat October 9th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Half joking btw. :)

    And Gonzalez is a rhp blake.

  81. mick October 9th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    swisher needs a wake up call…it’s called managing, being proactive….it’s really fun Joe.

  82. RadioKev October 9th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    mick October 9th, 2012 at 10:08 am
    Like sign John Lackey, Adrian Gonzalez, and Carl Crawford?
    ===================
    what is your point?
    ——–

    Might point is shaking things up to shake things up is usually a bad idea.

  83. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 9th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    Arod will be stuck in the 3rd or 4th position to help his discover that he needs to retire. Nothing justifies 30 million a year for any player. The Steinbrenner’s know Alexa’s fragile ego can’t take his sub-par performance hence he will be embarrassed into retirement.

  84. Purenyyankee October 9th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    Its just a matter of time until AFraud calls himself a DOG again. I’m tired of the broken record and the same lame culprits.

  85. mick October 9th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    I like 86′s lineup…Ibanez and Chavez kill Gonzalez and swish and grandy don’t have a hit off him.
    Gardner in CF is also worth a shot.

  86. Shame Spencer October 9th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    Ahhh.. the morning just wouldn’t feel right without a list from Donny :)

    Hey there Donny!

  87. mick October 9th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    Might point is shaking things up to shake things up is usually a bad idea.
    ==================
    so you would go with the same lineup tmw?

  88. DONNYBROOK October 9th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    - SHAME -
    Hey

  89. pat October 9th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    Torre had the “cajones” to drop Alex in the order. How did that work for the team and him?

    Move Alex wherever you want but don’t pretend the corresponding move is going to be the difference maker.

    More than 1 guy had a chance to make a difference last night and just didn’t get it done.

  90. mick October 9th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    Alex could sit there postgame and say well we lost , we tried but lost, but I’m still loaded and you’re not. You know that’s what he’s thinking. This is why they love Joe, he wouldn’t dare thinking of dropping Arod to 8th , no less 6th.

    Joe would rather lose then try something different, yet we couldn’t predict his lineup from day to day. Remember GTLU?

  91. RadioKev October 9th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    mick October 9th, 2012 at 10:15 am
    Might point is shaking things up to shake things up is usually a bad idea.
    ==================
    so you would go with the same lineup tmw?
    ———–

    Well first, a reconstructing a roster and changing a line up are two different things.

    I’d probably run out a different line up, yes.

    Jeter
    Ichiro
    Cano
    Tex
    Swisher
    Rodriguez
    Ibanez
    Martin
    Granderson

    Do I honestly think it’ll make a huge difference? No, not really.

  92. mick October 9th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    You wonder why he is booed. OMG, all those ppl can’t be wrong, can they? Do they boo Jeter?
    Why not?

  93. longtimefan October 9th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    This basically is for all the sports writers that cover the Yankees: We have all heard before what a great student of the game Arod is, works hard, is really into the games, blah, blah, blan:

    How about stepping up and asking Arod this question rather than using the same old canned lines:

    Arod, if you were managing this team and had a player that is under-performing as you are since your return to the line-up, would you continue batting him 3rd?

    Step up guys!

  94. Yanks Fan In Austin October 9th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    I agree with everything @DONNYBROOK says. You are an astute baseball man, my friend. Or gal?

    The biggest thing that pisses me off is that Cano doesn’t dive. Anytime you have a man on second with less than two outs on any level of baseball the infielders tell each other to keep the ball in the infield and keep the run from scoring. He should have dove. I think Girardi knew that but didn’t want to throw his best player under the bus.

  95. DONNYBROOK October 9th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Batting Swish and A-Rod back-to-back inna Playoff Game is suicide. Ditch that lineup ASAP.

  96. Cashmoney October 9th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    Well first, a reconstructing a roster and changing a line up are two different things.

    I’d probably run out a different line up, yes.

    Do I honestly think it’ll make a huge difference? No, not really.
    ——
    let’s get this straight. you don’t think changing the order this lineup makes a difference yet you against the idea of changing some of the offensive pieces in OS? or do you consider that as shakes things up for the sake of shake things up. Those two statements don’t seem to be congruent to me. please enlighten us.

  97. mick October 9th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    why would you bat swisher and arod back to back?
    swisher has struck out 5 of 6 times he faced gonzalez.
    how could you not play chavez who is hitting 500 against gonzalez?
    and swish up 5th? sit him down, he won’t be back next year Joe, fear not.

  98. pat October 9th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    Reading Twitter…..
    Amtrak service from DC to NY suspended so the beat writers rented cars to drive back and 95N is closed. 0 for 2 to start the day.

  99. Shame Spencer October 9th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    There’s a difference between dropping Alex to the 8-hole vs sliding him to batting 6th.

    I can’t imagine batting him 6th now would be taken the same way as before.

  100. Cashmoney October 9th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    maybe reading twitter is 0-1 to begin with.

  101. Bronx Jeers October 9th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    The “Believe” campaign in Baltimore is aimed at stopping drug trafficking, violence, etc., and is the brainchild of Richard Burton, a City Council member.

    —————

    Baltimore’s a scary place. I once took a walk from the harbor to Lexington Market. Broad daylight and me and my bud were quite uncomfortable.

  102. Hassey October 9th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    Ehhh, forget it already. We already know how these games are going to go. They’ll fight, they’ll pitch and they’ll either get a couple of the hits we need (and actually score on them) or they won’t. There are no other mysteries or cliffhangers to be revealed with this team.

  103. Shame Spencer October 9th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    ‘Man dies after eating dozens of roaches’

    This is news.

  104. blake October 9th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Jack,

    I don’t why I wrote that….I meant that I don’t think anybody really wants Alex out of the lineup totally….just maybe moved down vs RHP

  105. Jerkface October 9th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Just saw that Ichiro tag avoidance video, the fact they lost a game that started with that insane play by Ichiro sucks even worse. Instant postseason classic if they win that game.

  106. blake October 9th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    ‘Man dies after eating dozens of roaches’

    He didn’t even get to enjoy his prize….a giant snake

  107. Hassey October 9th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    Well, you certainly wouldn’t die from SMOKING a dozen roaches…

  108. DONNYBROOK October 9th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    And somebody remove The Three Stooges from the TBS booth. It get old hearing Ernie pose a question to Ripken and Smoltz and getting nothing but crickets in responce.

  109. Cashmoney October 9th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    lol

  110. Cashmoney October 9th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    hassey that might prompt you to eat two dozen roaches.

  111. blake October 9th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Just saw that Ichiro tag avoidance video, the fact they lost a game that started with that insane play by Ichiro sucks even worse. Instant postseason classic if they win that game.”

    It was incredible….. Covered up yet another horrible decision by Thlm

  112. pat October 9th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    “There’s a difference between dropping Alex to the 8-hole vs sliding him to batting 6th. ”

    Absolutely because I don’t think there would be malice in the move that I believe was there in 2006.
    But as I said you could move him wherever but if others don’t perform where they are, people will still talk about what Alex didn’t do wherever he is.

  113. blake October 9th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    I think Ripken and Smoltz are Ok…..listening to Ernie giggle like a school girl every time the Orioles do something gets old though

  114. Hassey October 9th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    Cash – Hmmm….tastes like chicken…cough cough cough spit

  115. blake October 9th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    Covered up another horrible decision by Thompson though….. Thompsons WAR as 3B coach has to be a negative number

  116. Hassey October 9th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    Is it really possible that every TV broadcasting team is anti-Yankee, or do you think there’s a chance that it’s just us?

  117. DONNYBROOK October 9th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    The thing that turned Game 1 in the Yanks favor were the hit-and-run plays. Girardi had the opportunity to pinch run for TEX leading off the 8th, and then do likewise, but he favored letting a guy needing Dr Ironbeard’s attention run the bases. BONEHEAD

  118. yanks 27 October 9th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    They need A-Rod, for this series and the next 5 years. Girardi can’t lose him like Torre did. He has to continue to show trust and faith in him

  119. mick October 9th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    They need A-Rod, for this series and the next 5 years. Girardi can’t lose him like Torre did. He has to continue to show trust and faith in him
    ============
    what’s the excuse for swisher?

  120. Captain Clutch October 9th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Too bad Girardi puts not hurting feeling before trying to win a game. If he did what he thought was the best way to get a W the lineup would change. Swisher will never hit in a play off game and he mentions antsy and controlling his emotions during the play offs like 50 million times during his interviews. Arod isn’t Arod anymore and can’t even drive a fastball right over the plate. The Yanks best lineup tomorrow night is:

    Jeter
    Ichiro
    Cano
    Tex
    Rodriguez
    Ibanez
    Swisher
    Martin
    Granderson

  121. Hassey October 9th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    It is nutty that Swish can’t buy a playoff RBI….Oy Vey

  122. Captain Clutch October 9th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    I really don’t understand why Gardner is on the roster if he wasn’t used in the 8th inning last night for Tex. Girardi really over thinks things and it’s like this brain can’t think during these play offs games. Saying that you won’t run on the pitcher doesn’t make any sense. What about if a ball bounces in the dirt and Gardner can take 2nd base? Tex can’t go unless the ball really gets away from the catcher. Or if the batter hits a single and Gardner can go 1st to 3rd but Tex can’t. That didn’t make any sense last night.

  123. pat October 9th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    I don’t think Girardi would lose Alex if he moved him.

    I don’t think Alex is as fragile as some of you think he is. How many players have had to stand the amount of abuse he has for the length of time he has and still continued to perform. That doesn’t say fragile to me.

  124. JobaTipsHisCap October 9th, 2012 at 10:52 am

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....FFfkhkhdnL

    nuff said.

  125. Hassey October 9th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    Do we keep Grandy in the lineup at all just because he is a threat to HR? Or, gulp, start Ibby in LF and Ichi in CF. We may be counting down Grandy’s last 10-15 Yankee ABs. At least 6 Ks in there but hopefully also some YS ribbies.

  126. Villa Nova-Ya October 9th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    I won’t be surprised to see Joe move Alex down. Maybe he will, maybe he won’t.

    But, what Joe says in a post-game press conference and what he ends up doing sometimes are not the same. Most times, actually.

    Joe prefers to talk to his players first rather than letting them know via the media circuit.

  127. DONNYBROOK October 9th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    Anyway you wanna slice it, other than a HR\3B, (Extremely slim chance), it was gonna take 2 hits to score TEX from 1B. A pinch runner was the Obvious move, but Girardi choked on the bone once again.

  128. DONNYBROOK October 9th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    You lose Alex???? “SO WHAT”???

  129. sunny615 October 9th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    maybe – but i doubt he’d be so adamant about it in saying stuff to the press. if he had other ideas, he’d be more vague about it – ie, we’ll assess it and get back to you instead of – I’m going to put blind faith above production.

  130. Captain Clutch October 9th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    Tex is starting to hit the ball and make good contact. He is the only person right now that they can bat behind Cano. Girardi is really stupid if he doesn’t make the move. Buck will never let Cano beat him and it will fall on Swisher every single time. It’s annoying that Girardi isn’t willing to change things to win games.

  131. Hassey October 9th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    If Alex is benched in favor of Chavy, with Noonie back at DH, Torre will start writing his next book

  132. blake October 9th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Baseball is a funny game….another inch or two and that line drive in the first gets by Andino and the Arod narrative is totally different this morning

  133. blake October 9th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    Arod also saved another run by tricking Hardy into not going home on the ball that got by Jeter

  134. Melk Man October 9th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Torre batted A-Rod 8th as a panic move and to embarrass him. A-Rod was also our best player and in his prime at that time.

    This version of A-Rod is a 17 HR guy who is a shell of his former self and has warning track power. And he’d only be moved to 6th.

    Not comparable at all.

  135. DONNYBROOK October 9th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Let’s Not make excuses for A-Rod, or go the revisionist history route in order to salve his wounds. The guy is currently batting in the 3 Slot, and he and Swish are Killing the Yankee offense. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

  136. DONNYBROOK October 9th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    I do NOT believe A-ROD tricked or decoyed anybody. Hardy looked back over his shoulder as Jeet stretched out for that grounder and Thought Jeet had gloved it. That is why he pulled up at 3B.

  137. Frozen Rope II October 9th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    Lets be real. It doesn’t matter where arod hits because the game will always find him in a key spot. Moving him down will just bruise his fragile ricky ledee psyche. At least if you keep his delicate psyche intact you have a chance of him running into one.

  138. JobaTipsHisCap October 9th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    I agree that drop Arod by Torre was personal, but this time it will be different.

  139. Frozen Rope II October 9th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    And by running into one I mean a line drive single, maybe double

  140. Villa Nova-Ya October 9th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    sunny615, Girardi almost never says to the press “maybe,” especially when it would involve a player. And I know this is just perception, but I didn’t find Girardi particularly adamant in his press conference last night. Seemed boilerplate – automatic response to that type of question.

  141. bruceb October 9th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    Who’s going to get the most flak on Talk Radio today – A-Rod, Sanchez or Tannebaum?

    I would imagine A-Rod will win hands down. One extra-base hit in 90 plate appearances would be bad enough for a NL pitcher, never mind your $30 mill-a-year third baseman. I just can’t understand how such a great player could possibly be quite this bad. Is it down to injury, age or the fact that his previous numbers were down to the use of illegal substances? Or is it a combination of all three? What I do know is that he’s totally devoid of confidence; he’s late on the fast ball, chases the slider and can’t lay off the breaking ball. So what pitch can he hit?

    For those of us who have followed the Yanks religiously, the fact that they couldn’t buy a hit with runners in scoring position last night will come as no surprise. Game one covered up a multitude of sins. But for Russell Martin’s homer, we would probably be coming home 2-0 down.

    I’m upset – but not that upset – because even if we manage to win this series, I give us little or no chance of beating Detroit. If we can’t hit the licorice all-sorts Baltimore is sending out to the mound, what hope is there of us scoring runs against Verlander and co.?

  142. DONNYBROOK October 9th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    STOP mollycoddling A-Rod. You guys wanna Win? Or would you rather Lose while paciifying an over-paid, over-the-hill, albatross.

  143. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 9th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    You just dont pay people 30 million per year. Alexa will be the last player to scam a team out of that kind of money.

  144. blake October 9th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    I do NOT believe A-ROD tricked or decoyed anybody. Hardy looked back over his shoulder as Jeet stretched out for that grounder and Thought Jeet had gloved it. That is why he pulled up at 3B.”

    Looked like he played off Arod to me on the replay

  145. Hassey October 9th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    I agree – I know its sacrilege and extreme, but I’d sit A-Rod and play Chavy. If this was the regular season, Giro would give Arod a blow…well, isn’t it even more important in the playoffs to act too soon rather than too late? No loss on D, gain the lefty right match-up…have A-Rod come off the bench if you need a late innnig strikeout vs. a lefty

  146. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 9th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Arob is going to pass the baton to the off season. What does he care? He has wine, women and song!

  147. Shame Spencer October 9th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    I completely freaked out when Ichiro made that play. It was absolutely RIDICULOUS. The bench went nuts too.. I really thought there was no way they’d lose after that.

    And I think Melk Man has the right of it regarding Arod… people comparing this to the Torre move (mostly media heads) are missing the point. This is nothing like that.

  148. The Genius Maker October 9th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    Gonzalez is not a righty who is very tough on righties so i would play ARod, but bat him 5th and move Tex up to 3rd or Cano up to 3rd. You do have two lefties in a row if you move Cano and that is the negative in that, but you could bunt Ichiro depending on the situation. Here was my take on the game in my blog

    http://stevewigdor.blogspot.com/

    Robby Thompson showed once again why he is the worst 3rd base coach in the game

  149. mick October 9th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    Looked like he played off Arod to me on the replay
    ================
    Look closer. Arod was acting but Hardy paid no attention to him or his 3B coach for that matter.

  150. pat October 9th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    The game finds lots of players in key spots.

    It found Nunez and Jeter with the bases loaded last night, Ichiro and Cano with men on 1st and 2nd, Swisher with men on 2nd and 3rd……..

  151. The Genius Maker October 9th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    blake October 9th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    I do NOT believe A-ROD tricked or decoyed anybody. Hardy looked back over his shoulder as Jeet stretched out for that grounder and Thought Jeet had gloved it. That is why he pulled up at 3B.”

    Looked like he played off Arod to me on the replay
    ********

    Hardy thought there was a play and when ARod made that move Hardy lifted his shoulder as if expecting to get hit or a play so ARod clearly had some impact on him. But as I say in my blog, how does a major league SS not make that play or at least knock it down. Jeter has been awful defensively

  152. DONNYBROOK October 9th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Who cares what the motivation is for dropping A-Rod in the order. Either it’s Good for the team or it is not???

  153. Shame Spencer October 9th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    Every time I see Rob Thompson’s name I’m all like, “what does the guy from Matchbox 20 have anything to do with this??”

  154. Shame Spencer October 9th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    (I know that’s not his name. Relax M20 fans.)

  155. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 9th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    Oy vey Arod for five more years. The wheels will come off.

  156. DONNYBROOK October 9th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Hardy was already slowing at that point. IF, Hardy truly thought a throw was coming, he woulda slid into the bag. You guys need to STOP listening to the Babble coming outta the TBS booth, use your eyes and baseball sense. Agree on Jeet’s lame attempt at that ball, but Hardy looked back over his shoulder just at the moment the ball was passing under\by Jeet’s glove. He then immediately looked forward\toward 3B and did Not see the ball go into LF. Hardy believed the ball was in Jeet’s mitt. Hardy shoulda been looking at his 3B Coach the entire time he was running, instead of looking back over his shoulder at Jeet attmepting to field the grounder. A player looking back over his shoulder slows himself down.

  157. Hassey October 9th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    all we needed was one pin, Rodney

  158. Madrugador October 9th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    Why would you listen to the guys in the TBS booth when there are some many other better options out there?

  159. joeman October 9th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    the story is that Arod is all done & nothing can be done about it as far as the Yankees are concerned, he may have a game here and there but thats about it…how many more years of this…WOW!!

  160. blake October 9th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    “But as I say in my blog, how does a major league SS not make that play or at least knock it down. Jeter has been awful defensively”

    I think he was thinking about what to do with the ball after he caught it and just lost concentration and missed it…..my guess is he was planning to try and pick Hardy off 3rd making a wide turn and be just missed the ball….that wasn’t a range issue so much as just missing the ball IMO.

    He did have a rough night though…. He seemed very uncomfortable all game ….hardy let one go between his legs too and I think the playing surface sorta got him out of whack
    ….Derek’s range is limited but you don’t see him make mistakes like last night very often….

  161. The Genius Maker October 9th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Donnybrook, your comment is right except if you watch it again, hardy flinched at the last second indicating he thought the ball was thrown.

  162. joeman October 9th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    blake October 9th, 2012 at 11:03 am
    Arod also saved another run by tricking Hardy into not going home on the ball that got by Jeter

    ———————————
    big deal at least he did something….

  163. joeman October 9th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    it will get to the point where they might pay Arod off, no way he’s here for 5 more years

  164. G. Love October 9th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    The cat’s out of the bag again with this team. What many of us feared and noted in here over the past years is still the issue. The boom/bust hitters will sink this offense against any pitcher who has more than a fastball.

    Seeing the national media run with Swisher can’t hit in the playoffs wasn’t created by non Pollyanna Yankee fans. It’s happening because he can’t hit in the playoffs.

    If Girardi had the stones, I’d make some substitutions in game 3. Put Swisher, at least, on the bench until Gonzalez is out of the game and use him as a pinch hitter against someone who is primarily a fastball pitcher.

    We need hitters tomorrow who can actually hit a changeup. Right now, with Arod, Tex and Swisher and even Martin to an extent since Gonzalez is RH, we’re walking in pretty much knowing half our team will struggle if this guy can locate his change.

    I still think we’ll have enough to scrape some runs against Gonzalez, but Kuroda will have to match Andy and CC.

    It’s not that Gonzalez is some incredible pitcher. It’s the collection of hitters we have who do not have the ability to deal with breaking pitches/off speed pitches.

    Jeter, Ichiro, Cano can hit them. Ibanez and Chavez and Nunez can hit them. I’d bet money Gardner would get more hits against Gonzalez than Swisher would at this point.

    Swisher has use. Put him against a guy who is primarily fastball and he will help us win.

    Against a changeup pitcher putting him up there is putting up a lamb for the slaughter.

    As for Arod, he should not hit 3rd. Buck’s going to walk Cano now and not let him beat us, so I’d rather him be up at the top of the lineup than give Arod a chance to K to end an inning or GIDP. If a pitcher has runners on and Buck walks Cano to load them, I think Arod has a chance because the opposing pitcher has a lot of pressure on him not to walk Arod because his eye is still good.

    Game 3 will be tough. Again, not because we’re facing Verlander, but because our hitters make ordinary pitchers like this appear to be Verlander. We’ve seen it again and again.

    Just hope the guys who can hit this kind of pitcher get the job done tomorrow night.

  165. CompassRosy October 9th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Hassey says:
    October 9, 2012 at 10:39 am
    Is it really possible that every TV broadcasting team is anti-Yankee, or do you think there’s a chance that it’s just us?
    ~

    The prevailing sentiment re: the TV broadcast on the Angels board I read…

    ::::”One of the most amazing things about these announcers and their Yankee sucking attitude is that one of them is Cal Ripken. How can an Oriole HOFer become such a Yankee nut tickler?”::::::

    Maybe it’s a matter of perspective ;)

  166. DONNYBROOK October 9th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Sure he flinched, but as I said, Hardy had already slowed at the bag Before flinching. A-Rod had absolutely Nothing to do with Hardy holding up at 3B.

  167. blake October 9th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    I never understand the notion of “paying Arod off”…..it’s not like it would save you any money…. He doesn’t have a buy out in his contract….. What good will it do to pay him. 27.5 million AAV to sit at home? Hal isn’t going to just ignore that money because he’s not playing…..

    what the the Yankees do need to do though is stop pretending that Alex is prime Alex just because he’s being paid like it and transition him into a more complementary role……which means actually doing something this winter to replace his production in the lineup

  168. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 9th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    “it will get to the point where they might pay Arod off, no way he’s here for 5 more years”

    ==========================================================

    Willie Mays overextended his career and looked like a shell of himself at the end of his career. Arod is trying to use experience and tricks of the trade to get by but that only works for so long. He is going to have to renegotiate his contract so he can opt out earlier to not embarrass himself. Talk about a 30 million albatross around his neck. The weight grows heavy.

  169. blake October 9th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Game 3 needs to be Cano’s game…..it’s time for him to take one over and carry the club…. He can do it

  170. bruceb October 9th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    it will get to the point where they might pay Arod off, no way he’s here for 5 more years.

    Unless, of course, he has a Derek Jeter-like resurgence in 2013. It’s possible but, unlike Jeter, Alex doesn’t seem to have the capacity to play through injuries, let alone keep producing when less than 100% fit.

  171. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 9th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    To be fair, Arod tries and that’s encouraging. He may occasionally weep and moan, but he does mean well. :)

  172. Shame Spencer October 9th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    “If Girardi had the stones, I’d make some substitutions in game 3. Put Swisher, at least, on the bench until Gonzalez is out of the game and use him as a pinch hitter against someone who is primarily a fastball pitcher. ”

    ———————————————–

    GLove – People don’t want to mess with the line up because this team proved over 162 games that they were the best in baseball. The problem with that thinking, while I certainly understand the logic, is that we’re in a 5 game set. How you win one season might not be how you win one (short) series.

  173. Shame Spencer October 9th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    Hehehehehehehehe….nut tickler…

  174. DONNYBROOK October 9th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    Super Stars get More close Ball\Strike calls in their favor than rank-and-file MLB’ers. Jeet continues to merit this priviledge. Once Blue recognizes A-Rod is NO longer a Super Star, A-Rod’s numbers will get even worse. Tip of the iceberg currently.

  175. G. Love October 9th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    The best hope for Arod, outside of a Jeter like resurgance, is that he doesn’t want to hang around and his people approach the Yankees with some kind of retirement package idea that gives him something in exchange for walking away and taking the final years off their payroll.

    I don’t know if that’s possible, but if the Yankees offered him shares in YES or the team equivalent to what’s left on his contract if he retired, maybe he’d walk away.

    He’ll never been universally celebrated as the HR champion. You can hear the Baltimore fans chant “steroids” when he is up at the plate.

    Quite honestly, passing Bonds is an empty accomplishment outside of the money bonuses he has coming to him.

    That being said, I’m sure a lot of us would take 27.5 million per year to be booed by large masses of people 162 times a year. I don’t think he’ll walk away from the money unless he gets something valuable in return.

  176. jacksquat October 9th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    I think Tex may be the only hitter the Yankees have that might make Buck think twice about IBB’ing Cano. Obviously it’s not Swisher, and I doubt it’s Arod.

  177. The Genius Maker October 9th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    BIG PICTURE FOLKS!!! WE GOT OUR SPLIT, NOW ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS WIN 2-3 AT HOME.

    ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN BUT THE WINNER OF GAME 3 WILL PROBABLY WIN THE SERIES.

  178. Tyler October 9th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    I’m really not sure how Ripken could be considered “pro-Yankee” this series…. was it because he showed great respect for Andy Pettite? I mean, who doesn’t respect a guy who is that much of a competitor..

  179. blake October 9th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    Considering Cal is mr. oriole…..I think he was pretty fair last night….his analysis is great and he knows the game about as well as anybody. He was much less biased than Ernie

  180. joeman October 9th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    in these playoff games the only way they are going to win these games will be to hit HR’S, no HR’S = no W’s

  181. DONNYBROOK October 9th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    AND, NO WAY, whether the Yanks win or lose Game 3, do I want Hughes starting Game 4. NO WAY, especially with Phelps banging around in the Pen.

  182. blake October 9th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    Robertson was a real bright spot as well last night. It was interesting to see him almost pitch backwards for several pitches and then just confuse the heck of Reynolds who was clearly sitting curveball early in he AB and then just had no idea what was coming by the time he Kd

  183. blake October 9th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    Hughes should and will start game 4

  184. pat October 9th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    BloggingBombers
    Yankees & Orioles trains to NY both experienced electrical problems last night. Yankees got on buses and didn’t get to Stadium until 6:30am.

  185. JobaTipsHisCap October 9th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    Hughes starts game 4 = more uncertainty.

  186. ctyankeefan. October 9th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Good point Blake, after the loss I had forgotten about Robertson. It was great seeing him get so many bad swings throwing basically nothing but the curve for 2 straight batters. It looked like he had lost that pitch a bit after his injury, and its nice to see him throw it more.

  187. bruceb October 9th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    Yankees & Orioles trains to NY both experienced electrical problems last night. Yankees got on buses and didn’t get to Stadium until 6:30am.

    Every day when I arrive at the station I notice the Amtrak train to Washington or Philadelphia is delayed by anything up to an hour. And I thought riding Metro-North was bad enough, even with the new trains, if you’re lucky enough to get one. It’s 2012, we’re supposed to be in the richest, most civilized, up-to-date country in the world yet we have to put up with an east coast train service that is a total joke.

  188. JobaTipsHisCap October 9th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    Arod did nothing wrong to take the money. Yankees sucked big time on his contract.
    like I said before, this is the stupidest contract ever in any pro sports.

  189. Bronx Jeers October 9th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    And what was up with that “will the lead change?” poll last night?

    I was waiting for the “are the Yankees a bunch of bloated has-beens?” poll.

  190. UnKnown October 9th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    This is really a golden opportunity for the Yanks to get #28. They have to navigate the O’s and then they get the Tigers in a seven game serious where JV is neutralized somewhat because he can only start 2 games. Whoever comes out of the NL will be tough but definitely can be beat.

    If NYY doesn’t win it all this year it is going to be a tremendous let down and a huge blown opportunity. Everyone keeps getting older and if they really are going to cut the payroll, then this might be the best chance this team is going to have for another W.S. Championship for a long time to come.

    If at any point during the season including right now someone said to me that you have to beat the O’s, Tigers, and Nats/Red to bring another Championship back to NY, I would’ve said happily and emphatically LETS PLAY!

    It’s not going to ever get any easier then this for a long long time. Absolutely can’t let this chance go to waste.

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  193. RadioKev October 9th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    blake October 9th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
    Hughes should and will start game 4
    ————

    +1

  194. UnKnown October 9th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    Girardi didn’t seem so sure to me when he was asked if Alex is going to be moved down in the order. I wouldn’t want to bet on it either way.

    One thing is for sure Mike F. had a hard time fighting off the Alex callers yesterday and today sure won’t be any easier.

  195. RadioKev October 9th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    DONNYBROOK October 9th, 2012 at 11:59 am
    Sure he flinched, but as I said, Hardy had already slowed at the bag Before flinching. A-Rod had absolutely Nothing to do with Hardy holding up at 3B.
    ———

    I love that you’re trying to will reality into being this total anti A-Rod world. Just give the guy some credit for the deke.

  196. DONNYBROOK October 9th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    Got you both down as Endorsing the Hughes start. Let the hedging begin.

  197. BobbyJones October 9th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    Put swisher in the lineup if there is a runner in scoring position, PH for him. 1-33 is unacceptable that has to be one of the worst clutch hitting in history even for regular season

  198. RadioKev October 9th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    Why wouldn’t Hughes start?

    He’s got more **playoff experience** than Phelps? (Aren’t those the magic words everyone loves?)

    He ended the season on a down note, but it really was a good season.

    It certainly beats starting CC, who’d you want for a potential game 5.

  199. BobbyJones October 9th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    Hughes is so hit or miss, if yankees up 2-1 u pitch him if they r down 2-1, u have to go to CC

  200. RMS October 9th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    I’m rooting for Alex, but he has turned into a singles and strikeout hitter. The “fans” will boo him early and often if this continues. But he is not alone, lots of others in this line-up are not hitting with RISP. Same old story.

    As far as Hughes is concerned, he is either very good or very bad. If he starts off badly, Girardi needs to give him a quick hook.

  201. DONNYBROOK October 9th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    There was No difference between what Hardy did with his shoulder, and a runner Returning to 1B after a token throw over to 1B from the pitcher. Both runners are Not attempting to advance. They are merely attempting to protect themselves. If Hardy had truly been decoyed by A-Rod, and even thinking about advancing home, he woulda been sliding into 3B. Hardy was pulling-up\slowing down as he approached 3B, which was Before A-Rod attempted anything.

  202. Warning Track Power October 9th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    I’m not happy about the loss last night, but getting a 1-1 split
    and going home for the max of 3 games to close out the series is a good situation for
    the Yankees.
    Being up 2-0 of course would be ideal, but I think getting a split is nothing to be
    upset about.

  203. DONNYBROOK October 9th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    As I said, I would start Phelps.

  204. RadioKev October 9th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Game 1: Swisher had 1 H, 1 RBI, 2 BB

    In the second half, Swisher hit .283/.393/.469

    Seriously, some of these are fair weather fan complaints.

  205. Hassey October 9th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    local Oakland rapper created a song for this year’s A’s team. The yankees are mentioned in the last 30 seconds of the song.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl4ZbRu4bzc

  206. DONNYBROOK October 9th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    You can NOT dodge Swish’s playoff numbers. That 1-33 issa SHOW STOPPER.

  207. G. Love October 9th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    What’s falling on deaf ears in here is a lot of us aren’t saying Swisher is horrible.

    He’s just horrible against people with quality breaking pitches. He looks surprised every time one is thrown to him and by now that is the scouting report on him.

    Against a fastball pitcher or a pitcher with no control he’s great.

    Against a guy with a change or a curve he’s a little league hitter.

  208. UnKnown October 9th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    “Hughes is so hit or miss, if yankees up 2-1 u pitch him if they r down 2-1, u have to go to CC”

    Then who would you throw for Game 5 if you pitch CC in Game 4 and the series is tied 2-2.

  209. BobbyJones October 9th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    You throw Andy

  210. NYYanksFan October 9th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    Anyone know a good Orioles blog?

  211. BobbyJones October 9th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    “Game 1: Swisher had 1 H, 1 RBI, 2 BB

    In the second half, Swisher hit .283/.393/.469

    Seriously, some of these are fair weather fan complaints.”

    1-33 RISP, thats all is needed to be said about swisher

  212. RMS October 9th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    What’s falling on deaf ears in here is a lot of us aren’t saying Swisher is horrible.

    He’s just horrible against people with quality breaking pitches. He looks surprised every time one is thrown to him and by now that is the scouting report on him.

    Against a fastball pitcher or a pitcher with no control he’s great.

    Against a guy with a change or a curve he’s a little league hitter.
    ————————————————————————————————————–
    That is horrible. Any big league player can hit a fastball. Swish will not be resigned.

  213. JobaTipsHisCap October 9th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    bruceb October 9th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
    Yankees & Orioles trains to NY both experienced electrical problems last night. Yankees got on buses and didn’t get to Stadium until 6:30am.

    Every day when I arrive at the station I notice the Amtrak train to Washington or Philadelphia is delayed by anything up to an hour. And I thought riding Metro-North was bad enough, even with the new trains, if you’re lucky enough to get one. It’s 2012, we’re supposed to be in the richest, most civilized, up-to-date country in the world yet we have to put up with an east coast train service that is a total joke.

    ***

    LOL, tell me about it. NJ transit got severe delay last Thursday night due to Amtrak signal problem (one of their 4 common excuses), someone I know reached home at 10:30pm. It’s a total joke now. America’s infrastructure is falling right in front of our eyes. Just look at NYC subway system, the station and platform are so dirty, the trains are so noisy. Temp at platform in summer should exceed 120, easily. that’s called kitchen of hell.

  214. UnKnown October 9th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    I am not sure Joe would bring Andy back on 3 days rest. In fact I would be shocked.

    So no matter how you slice it Hughes is going to have to get a start if this thing goes 5. I think you just throw him Game 4 and be done with it.

    Of course right now there is no bigger game then Game 3 and I am so pumped that Kuroda is on the mound for it.

    It hasn’t been the pitching anyways, the problem has been the offense just like all season long. Hitting in the clutch. That is where this series and the rest of the postseason lies.

  215. 86w183 October 9th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Pettitte is a bad bet on short rest.

    I agree with Kuroda, Hughes, CC in that order. May not work out, but the season has brought us to this point.

    I would sit Swisher tomorrow night and go with Chavez @ 3B, Ibanez in LF and Alex DH.

  216. BobbyJones October 9th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    “That is horrible. Any big league player can hit a fastball. Swish will not be resigned.”
    who in the right mind would give Swisher the 100mil contract he wants.

  217. tomingeorgia October 9th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    The tone of this thread indicates to me that we lost a game. Any truth to that?

  218. UnKnown October 9th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    When does Swisher’s at bats in the postseason stop being a small sample size?

  219. BobbyJones October 9th, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    “When does Swisher’s at bats in the postseason stop being a small sample size?”
    It shouldnt he has 130 AB in post season and is hitting .169

  220. Tyler October 9th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    UnKnown October 9th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
    When does Swisher’s at bats in the postseason stop being a small sample size?
    ——————————————-

    I honestly think they have already stopped being a small sample size. He can still improve this postseason but he’s on pace for 4 very bad postseasons with the Yanks coupled with his bad postseason with Oakland.

  221. Tyler October 9th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    All year I’ve said that how Swisher does in the playoffs should be the indicator of whether he’s back next year. We all know that he has 2-3 ridiculously hot stretches during the regular season which leave him around .265-25-80. Happens every year. He has to start hitting in October though.

  222. BobbyJones October 9th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    With Swisher he has struggle(saying struggle is being kind) in every postseason he has been in what makes u think its going to be any different this year.

  223. UnKnown October 9th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    I mean nobody is calling for these guys to hit .700, just a little more productivity from some specific individuals and this team will undoubtedly cruise to the title.

    The numbers posted so far will not get it done though that is obvious.

  224. Shame Spencer October 9th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    UnKnown October 9th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    I mean nobody is calling for these guys to hit .700, just a little more productivity from some specific individuals and this team will undoubtedly cruise to the title.
    ——————–

    All Swisher’s PS numbers prove is that he’s an incredibly streaky hitter…. just like 3/4 of our line up.

  225. DONNYBROOK October 9th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    I have Yet to hear an explanation regarding Not pinch running for TEX in the 8th. Yanks broken open Game 1 due to the hit-and-run, and Girardi coulda employed the same strategy last night, but Reverted to his 3 Run Homer philosophy. Hell, the O’s were Not even holding TEX on in the 8th, which made getting a hit to the right side even tougher.

  226. Bret The Hitman October 9th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Cutting ties with Arod early is but a fantasy IMHO. The source of his pride is his financial status and NOT his performance on the field. Alex may feel embarrassed by his decline and this may continue throughout his final 5 years here but he would feel more embarrassed by not being able to tell his Hollywood friends that he earns 30 million/year. He is a ballplayer who duels as a stargazer and that glamorous, glittery Hollywood lifestyle is a standard that he strives towards as a superstar baseball player. If he stops playing baseball, he dims his star power and he forfeits his bragging rights at the poker table.

    Get used to Alex Rodriguez and his struggles over the next 5 years.

    He’s not going anywhere, not now, not in 2 years, not in 3.

    If he completely loses it as a baseball player as Giambi did that one year where the team asked him to accept a AAA assignment, he will remain with the big club, as Giambi did and will milk the DL with various minor ailments and complaints.

    I get the feeling his greatest fans will defend him throughout the next half-decade. There is no poor performance or damage inflicted to the team that will change their minds.

    But for the fans who want to pass him off as if he’s immune to the boos and the criticism, it’s not going to work. Arod’s biggest doubters are growing louder and the number of them is just going to increase. It’s going to get out of control.

  227. Run it Out October 9th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    If you pinch run for Tex there and tie the game you have now lost his bat and more importantly defense for the remainder of the game. Tex has been one of the few bright spots offensively so far.

  228. BobbyJones October 9th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    “All Swisher’s PS numbers prove is that he’s an incredibly streaky hitter…. just like 3/4 of our line up.”
    u would think a streaky hitter would at least have 1 good game let alone 1 good series in his 5 postseasons

  229. austinmac October 9th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    I don’t want to imagine AROD at 41-43. They probably will play him because they will look on the back of a very old baseball card.

    I say he should retire with a wink and nod for him to give him a very favorable ability to acquire some ownership. Then, give him a position to use his baseball savvy.

  230. theREALkevin October 9th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    Girardi needs to grow some nuts and move A-Rod down in the order. It’s a total joke this guy is still batting 3rd. He’s like a #7 hitter in that order. Hitting him 3rd is killing the team and is an insult to the Yankees and their fans.

    Managers should not manage based on names and resumes. They should manage based on the here and now. And A-Rod has absolutely no business hitting at the top of this lineup.

  231. pat October 9th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    eboland11

    Girardi on lineup: “we’re going to whatever it takes to win this three game series. Nothing we do will be a knee-jerk reaction”

  232. Melk Man October 9th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    The Yanks can’t screw themselves for the ALCS though by pitching guys on short rest or stretching this to a 5th game.

    Their goal is to win the WS – not just win this round. To do that, they need to have CC available in games 1, 4, and 7 in the ALCS. Using him in the ALDS again just kills us.

    Keep Hughes in gm 4 regardless of what happens with Kuroda and take your chances. Gonzalez and Tillman was tougher pitchers to face than this Chen guy was, that is what is scary.

  233. DONNYBROOK October 9th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    Swish aint TEX at 1B, but he aint as bad as Giambi either. I would take a tie game minus TEX, and take my chances. As I said, pinch running for TEX woulda forced the O’s to hold the pinch runner on, opening a hole for a possible hit. Opening a hole with the hit-and-run, is exactly what busted open Game 1. Girardi left a player on 1 leg on the bases, representing the tieing run in the 8th. DUMB. A pinch runner woulda benefited the Yankees in numerous ways, and kept the defense on it’s heels wondering whether a play was gonna be put on.

  234. Bret The Hitman October 9th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    The oddest thing is going to be watching Arod’s play at 41-43 juxtaposed with Jeter’s. We’re already witnessing their paths diverge as they age together. Jeter is clearly the better ballplayer right now and he makes half as much as Arod does. And every year, Arod will decline and Jeter will sustain his performance. It will probably pain Arod to compare himself to his peers and face the fact that a huge gap exists. Add to it that both are chasing history yet Jeter is looked upon as legit while Arod is an admitted cheat.

    Fans will be driving Arod out of town while begging Jeter to hang on one more year for one more ring or one more hit towards 4,000.

    If that scenario is not enough to shame Arod out of baseball, nothing is.

    But like I said, he has to be able to call himself a baseball player and flaunt the fact he’s the highest paid baseball player in history and he has to be able to say that he’s chasing the all-time HR record – and he can continue to assert himself in Hollywood circles even while his skills deteriorate on the baseball field.

  235. Bret The Hitman October 9th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    I will add that this is the final postseason that Arod is insulated from Girardi. The special treatment ends after 2012.

  236. DONNYBROOK October 9th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    The stat Ripken continually referred to regarding Chen was accurate. Extra rest, and the guy is pretty good. So Buck had a 1 Trick Pony and played that card.

  237. Run it Out October 9th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    DONNY I hear you but disagree.

  238. yankee21 October 9th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    Instead of just blaming Arod why don’t I hear also boos for Hank who agreed to the contract, Hal who continues to budget around it, and Cashman who refuses to recognize both in the OS and at the AS break that his offense needed a piece to compensate for his and Tex’ obvious age and performance decline?

    Arod’s a damn fine target to blame all the ills of the line-up on because he sucks in most clutch situations but especially because he’s getting 30 mil a year. Whoever wouldn’t take that money, please raise their hand.

    But it is the Yankees ownership and management structure that has been unwilling to make moves to compensate for his decline. He is 37+ years old and he is still being expected to be a middle of the order hitter. That refusal to deal with this reality is on Cashman and especially on Hal.

  239. Andymelillo October 9th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    Steven A Smith wondering why Girardi won’t move arod down the line up.steven A is tearng Arod up

  240. saucY October 9th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    was just arguing with my dad about who pitches game 4 and 5 (if we’re down 2-1). i agree with you, 86w183. Hughes and CC.

    Andy should not pitch on short rest. My dad agreed with that, but would rather CC start game 4 with Hughes in game 5. Doesn’t make sense to me. Hughes will have to pitch and win a game regardless…

  241. Andymelillo October 9th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    Why should we blame Hal.Would he sign Arod if he knew he was juicing
    AROD SHOULD GIVE BACK THE MONEY HE STOLE FROM THE YANKEES.HE LIED WAS ON STEROIDS.HE IS DISGUSTING AN SHOULD RETIRE HE IS A CHEATER.IM MAD AT HAL FOR NOT GETTING RID OF HIMM WHEN THEY FOUND OUT ABOUT THE USEING PED

  242. BIG AL October 9th, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    Last nights game was a mirror of their season, get men on base, and fail to get hits with RISP.

    A-Rod is hurting this team, as is Swisher and Granderson.

    Tex needs to move up to clean-up, Cano to 3rd, A-Rod to 5th. After that its anyone’s guess, but, the DH should most likely bat 6th.

    Andy and the team as a whole deserved better. If anyone had a question as to if Swisher or Granderson should be retained, I believe that question is being answered thus far in one more PS with a lack of production.

  243. yankee21 October 9th, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    For a moment, consider the ages of the #3, #4 hitters on all the current play-off teams.
    Are any of them beside Arod 37+ years old?

    Every team except NY is not relying on well past their prime players to bat third or fourth.
    Consider BAL; Adam Jones and Matt Wieters, right smack in their early prime years. Consider DET; M. Cabrera and Prince Fielder, right smack in their prime years.

    Why is NY?

    Is it Arod’s fault he is batting 3rd or 4th? Maybe the question should go to Cashman or Girardi or even Hal?

  244. MG October 9th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    I’m not going to get into endless second guessing about Girardi (I don’t think he’s a very good in game manager, I’ve said that before) but Cano should be batting 3rd against all pitching, period.

    He’s the Yankees best hitter, you want him getting as many ABs as possible, particularly when Jeter and Ichiro are at the top of the order and setting the table. If he hits in the 1st inning last night with both of them on and gets that double the whole game is changed (although there is no guarantee he would have done that_.

    Arod hits lefties OK (although without much power) but has reached the point of being hopeless against righties whether they throw hard or not-just look at the K’s against both O’Day and Johnson last night where he was basically overmatched.

    And I agree that Teix should have been replaced by a pinch runner in the 8th last night, I can’t comprehend why that move wasn’t made.

  245. yankee21 October 9th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    Why should we blame Hal.Would he sign Arod if he knew he was juicing….

    NY had the opportunity to void that contract based on the moral terpitude clause, did it not?
    Why didn’t they; perhaps they felt Arod could still produce and they liked the projected revenues as a result.

    For whatever the reason, NYY ownership opted against it. That tactical decision is not on Arod- it is on ownership.

  246. tomingeorgia October 9th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Joe Btfsplk has taken over the bog.

  247. UnKnown October 9th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Alternating wins and loses has been the norm with this team for awhile. Lost last night so they come up with a win tomorrow night. Kuroda is going to be nails and all is one or two big hits at the right time to win the game. A 3 run shot or something like that.

    I am interested to see how crazy the atmosphere is tonight at the Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum.

  248. pat October 9th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    Consider BAL; Adam Jones and Matt Wieters, right smack in their early prime years.

    What are they batting this series?

  249. blake October 9th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    “Instead of just blaming Arod why don’t I hear also boos for Hank who agreed to the contract, Hal who continues to budget around it, and Cashman who refuses to recognize both in the OS and at the AS break that his offense needed a piece to compensate for his and Tex’ obvious age and performance decline?”

    This

  250. luis October 9th, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Good afternoon,

    G Love, glad to see you, very good points. I do think that Arod might take a shorter deal in exchange for some stock and coaching position, he loves the game above everything else.

    Cashmoney,

    At this point, I would sit granderson and keep Swisher on the field, he has become too one dimensional with plenty of k´s in between bombs. Swisher gets on base.

    jacksquat,

    Good lineup..

  251. blake October 9th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    21 is correct….. The issue isn’t so much Arod as the Yankees foolishly continuing to pretend that he’s the same player he once was and continuing to build the lineup on that basis.

    The ownership gave him the contract…..it’s time for them to stop letting it hamstring them and to replace Alex’s production in th middle of the order and its time for them to stop relying on a 38 year old to hit cleanup ….

    Alex could be ok in a complimentary role…. Which is where he should be ….he shouldn’t be asked to be a player in his prime because he isn’t in his prime…..

  252. luis October 9th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    Blake,

    Good points on Arod as well as yankee21

  253. luis October 9th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    blake October 9th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
    21 is correct….. The issue isn’t so much Arod as the Yankees foolishly continuing to pretend that he’s the same player he once was and continuing to build the lineup on that basis.

    The ownership gave him the contract…..it’s time for them to stop letting it hamstring them and to replace Alex’s production in th middle of the order and its time for them to stop relying on a 38 year old to hit cleanup ….

    Alex could be ok in a complimentary role…. Which is where he should be ….he shouldn’t be asked to be a player in his prime because he isn’t in his prime…..

    ========================

    AMEN!!!

  254. blake October 9th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    “And I agree that Teix should have been replaced by a pinch runner in the 8th last night, I can’t comprehend why that move wasn’t made.”

    I agree he should have…..joe said it was because he wasn’t going to steal there even had Gardner gone in…..but thy weren’t even holding Tex on and they were behind…..it’s different if you have a lead…..you have to be thinking about tying the game there IMO and Garnder running there instead of Tex could have been huge if a ball were hit in the gap etc…..

  255. BIG AL October 9th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    Jones & Wieters are both hitting .125

  256. luis October 9th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    unknown,

    One thing I wanted to tell you about last night….Hernandez has the worst k zone I have ever seen ( That includes the sheriff West)… You have a point that we shouldn´t be blaming the ump for the team´s fate, but last night the guy clearly hurt us in two key situations…It could have been the other way around as well, but last night it didn´t

  257. BIG AL October 9th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    What if the game goes extra innings, and Tex is out of the game? He is one of 3 guys hitting, stop being so short sighted.

  258. blake October 9th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    BIG AL says:
    October 9, 2012 at 2:32 pm
    What if the game goes extra innings, and Tex is out of the game? He is one of 3 guys hitting, stop being so short sighted.

    You gotta tie it first before you can worry about extra innings ImO

  259. Shame Spencer October 9th, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    blake October 9th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    “Instead of just blaming Arod why don’t I hear also boos for Hank who agreed to the contract, Hal who continues to budget around it, and Cashman who refuses to recognize both in the OS and at the AS break that his offense needed a piece to compensate for his and Tex’ obvious age and performance decline?”

    This

    ————————-

    See… as a supporter of the boo, I always feel like the boo isn’t just a message to the player but to the team.

    I think the crowds mostly do blame the FO for Arod more than they blame Arod for Arod.

  260. luis October 9th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    Shame!!

    Our team president! ;) I hope you are right about the boos…I do think that Arod tries his best

  261. UnKnown October 9th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    Luis – I agree. Good to see ya around. Take care man.

  262. Hassey October 9th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    raise your hand if you hate off days after playoff losses?

  263. luis October 9th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Unknown

    Likewise…stick around

  264. Shame Spencer October 9th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    luis October 9th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    Shame!!

    Our team president! ;) I hope you are right about the boos…I do think that Arod tries his best
    ——————-

    To me, the boo means one thing and one thing only: We’re not happy.

    I feel like there are plenty of fans that shook their heads when we gave him that new deal. I have no stats to back up ‘plenty’ but I’m going with it.

  265. austinmac October 9th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    How about a nice Hal sucks chorus so he has no doubt?

  266. luis October 9th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    Shame,

    I was one of them…I never understood why they did it after he opted out and on top of it there wasn’t anymore suitors, so we basically bid against ourselves.

    I love Arod, I am a big fan of him … But that contract was very dumb, but that’s not on him but on the ownership

  267. luis October 9th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Mac,

    :D. Have I ever told you that I like the way you think!

  268. blake October 9th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    austinmac says:
    October 9, 2012 at 2:50 pm
    How about a nice Hal sucks chorus so he has no doubt?

    Unfortunately his money bin is sound proof

  269. G. Love October 9th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    The difficult part of being an Arod fan going forward is you realize you are rooting for far past performance even though he’s making the most money on the team and in the game.

    It’s a very conflicting spot because his presence stops the Yankees from improving and his continued presence was based on him opting out and then getting exposed as a PED user after the new contract was given to him that takes him into his 40′s.

    I hope there’s still enough good baseball left in him that the booing will be tempered, but 5 more years of what he’s done since 2009 has the potential to get extremely ugly.

    I the DL list may be his home away from home if he doesn’t somewhat regain the hitting abilities he had.

  270. DONNYBROOK October 9th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    You guys can Rightly trash Hal, but last night in the 8th, the Yanks had the leadoff runner on, inna 1 run game, and Girardi sat on his hands. You gotta continue further down the ladder with that, “sucks chorus”.

  271. UnKnown October 9th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    BloggingBombers Yankees Game 5 Friday would be at 5:07pm if STL-WAS has a Game 5. Otherwise, it moves to 7:07pm.

    ———–

    Hopefully the Yanks wrap it up in 4 games and it doesn’t go to a Game 5, but if it does I hope STL-WAS series is done. 4pm central start time for a Game 5 is terrible.

  272. hardwired7 October 9th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    When asked why he continued to bat Rodriguez third, Girardi curtly responded, “Spite.”

    /gratuitous Seinfeld reference

  273. blake October 9th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    “It’s a very conflicting spot because his presence stops the Yankees from improving and his continued presence was based on him opting out and then getting exposed as a PED user after the new contract was given to him that takes him into his 40?s.”

    It only stops the Yankees from making other moves if the ownership lets it

  274. djsunyc October 9th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    with arod, i think it has to do with core strength. i think he is weak in the mid section…has a stance that’s too far apart and takes a long time to generate torque. i think he should go to a lighter bat and lose another 15-20 pounds.

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