Rodriguez sits for Game 5
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 12, 2012 
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Derek Jeter SS
Ichiro Suzuki LF
Robinson Cano 2B
Mark Teixeira 1B
Raul Ibanez DH
Nick Swisher RF
Curtis Granderson CF
Russell Martin C
Eric Chavez 3B
LHP CC Sabathia
2 for 12 combine for cano, swish and grandy
amazing how this fool continues to play Swisher and Granderson.
Why is Gardner on the team??
I’m shocked and a little upset that ARod is not in the starting line-up
The only reason that makes any sense to me is that his injured, has been hiding an injury
and team has been hiding whatever injury ARod is currently dealing with.
WOW!!!
At least Torre put him in the lineup.
So Arod takes the blame, while Granderson gets to keep doing his strikeout thing.
Triple – Gardner is still hurt and is only on the team to pinch run… is that not obvious?
Wow. No arod. But he doesnt deserve it. However, swisher or granderson should be on the bench too….Sorry…it can’t be only arod. Granderson has been terrible and Swisher is the WORST post season player in history.
Clearly something physical is bothering Alex. Be gentle guys. Treat these men online and in your mind the way they would probably treat you. Thanks.
“So Arod takes the blame, while Granderson gets to keep doing his strikeout thing.”
More like they don’t have a better outfielder to play, but they have another 3B…
Man, it’s not hard to follow.
Girardi will get Arod into the game at some point, however. It’s scripted.
Why are Granderson and Swish in here and ARod on the bench?
I’m anxious to hear/read ARod’s comments about not being in the starting line-up
for game 5
Irreverent Discourse October 12th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Triple – Gardner is still hurt and is only on the team to pinch run… is that not obvious?
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He’s only even appeared in 1 game. Stupid to put him on the team instead of Dickerson if that’s the case. At least you could bench Granderson that way.
Triple – Gardner is still hurt and is only on the team to pinch run… is that not obvious?
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Then he shouldn’t have been on the roster
Lets hope it pays off like we all think it should.
Still mad that Granderson is in there. He’s worse than Arod.
This is psychotic. Joe caught lightning in a bottle once and now he thinks Grandy should play over Arod? If they lose this game I hope to god Joe is gone.
I hope ARod is okay, his comment last night does seem to indicate that he’s injured to some degree.
Why is nick swisher playing? Why curtis granderson?
How much revenue do the yanks get from tbs? Their offense is like a 4 hour commercial for their “very funny” campaign?
Wow. They must really not trust Ibanez in the field if Ich isn’t in center and Granderson ir Swish on the bench.
I agree – trying to save the season, do-or-die and Grandy is still playing? Gardy’s injury strikes back
Against All Odds October 12th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Boss Tony N October 12th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Against All Odds, Pay Teixeira and Alex and extra $50 million each to waive their NTC. Just get these guys off this team.
And I like Alex. I have no feelings one way or the other about Teixeira. I despise Cano
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You despise Cano???? Oh I know why you do. SMH that’s unfortunate
Aside from Granderson being included, that lineup does look a whole lot better. Lets hope it pays off immediately.
Against All Odds October 12th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Locke October 12th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Boss Tony N – You despise Cano? I know he’s struggled this series but what else do you have against him? I love watching him.
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Some ppl hate Cano for various reasons. Tyler feels they could change the dynamic of the team. I don’t agree with it but I get it. Other fans don’t like him because they don’t want to pay him big money. But they are other fans that don’t like him because of his skin color. It’s sad but true.
I would bet money that after the series it’s going to come out that Arod is hurt. Some sort of injury is going to come out, like his hand isn’t 100% or something. Otherwise Girardi wouldn’t sit Arod based on performance. If it’s based on performance then why is Granderson in the lineup?
Last night Yanks had a fly ball pitcher and that is why I thought Grandy was in CF.
Why not play Ibanez in left, move Suzuki to CF and DH Arod tonight?
Why is Granderson in the line up? Arod > Grandy even with a righty Hammel..
What is the difference, to have Dickerson (who can not hit and would never be put in TO hit) who can’t steal as well as Gardner?
I’m sure a lot of these games haven’t worked out as either Joe or Buck expected them to, there has really been no chance for a pinch runner to have a huge impact.
You do NOT bench all of your starters in the playoffs just because they are scuffling.
The amount of trust you guys are willing to put into completely unreliable part time players is astounding.
I agree with francesca today. He said “the only reason Granderson should play is then the outfield isn’t totally screwed-up. and you have a bunch of guys out of position.”
Last night I had a very bad feeling the game was going to end
in the 13th inning.
Today I have a very bad feeling about ARod not being in the starting line-up.
S.O.B.
Good lineup but too bad it took until game 5 to get Ibanez back into the lineup. Also Tex batting behind Cano should have happened after game 2. Girardi waited too long to make these moves.
Hassey October 12th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Odds – Is your handle an homage to Phil Collins, or to Rachel Ward?
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Phil Collins
Rachel Ward
Tupac
Homage to all three.
Against All Odds October 12th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Against All Odds October 12th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Locke October 12th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Boss Tony N – You despise Cano? I know he’s struggled this series but what else do you have against him? I love watching him.
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Some ppl hate Cano for various reasons. Tyler feels they could change the dynamic of the team. I don’t agree with it but I get it. Other fans don’t like him because they don’t want to pay him big money. But they are other fans that don’t like him because of his skin color. It’s sad but true.
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I’ve been a huge Cano fan from his rookie year on (The only Yanks jersey I own is a 24 Cano). If they sign him for big money, I’ll be happy. He’s the best 2nd baseman in the game by miles. That being said, I don’t think he’s untouchable. If you can get back some prized young talent, I’d be tempted. The only issue is that there is no good replacement on the Yanks (like the Cardinals had with Allen Craig replacing Pujols) unless Nunez moves over.
Id – swisher is a 150 playoff hitter in 115 at bats as a yankee. Granderson is a total disaster who might be blind. Yes, I like my chances with garnder and ibanez better.
i think alex might be dealing with a bad injury, he swing looks bad and grandy is just tired. this is the last option joe has, but dont know why not play gardner that is in the roster, if hes injured we should ve pick dickerson at least he puts the ball in play.
ID is back and he is on EN FUEGO!
Stay out of his way or he’s liable to Superfly Snuka you from the top rope
Tyler October 12th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Against All Odds October 12th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Against All Odds October 12th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Locke October 12th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Boss Tony N – You despise Cano? I know he’s struggled this series but what else do you have against him? I love watching him.
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Some ppl hate Cano for various reasons. Tyler feels they could change the dynamic of the team. I don’t agree with it but I get it. Other fans don’t like him because they don’t want to pay him big money. But they are other fans that don’t like him because of his skin color. It’s sad but true.
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I’ve been a huge Cano fan from his rookie year on (The only Yanks jersey I own is a 24 Cano). If they sign him for big money, I’ll be happy. He’s the best 2nd baseman in the game by miles. That being said, I don’t think he’s untouchable. If you can get back some prized young talent, I’d be tempted. The only issue is that there is no good replacement on the Yanks (like the Cardinals had with Allen Craig replacing Pujols) unless Nunez moves over.
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I understand my problem is I don’t trust the Yankees to make the right decision if they trade him.
I feel bad for Arod, and hope he can come back strongly next year.
Chavez has not exactly been smoking the ball, albeit in a limited sample size
Girardi can’t bench every Yankee that’s struggling. This isn’t a late-July game vs. KC.
Irreverent, I guess Gardner isnt a better option? LOL
Problem is that the Yankees can never undergo a proper rebuild. They have too much tied up in the YES Network, expensive ticket prices, etc. The Stadium would be empty and the NY media would go ballistic.
Wow. Didn’t realize that A-Rod still had such a fan club.
Benching him tonight was a no-brainer. The guy has done nothing, absolutely nothing, for this team the whole year. At least Granderson can still play a decent center field.
I don’t care whether he’s angry; I don’t care whether he’s injured. All I care about is winning tonight’s game. We have a better chance of doing that with him on the bench. How many more chances did he deserve?
Alex is clearly hurt and it will come out afterwards.
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yankeefeminista October 12th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
G Love, what is a “short compact stroke,” praytell?
Cano isn’t getting many pitches to hit, and he is probably pressing, as well. I am not going to subtract my only legit middle of the order hitter…
Against All Odds-
Well that is a fundamental issue right there. And I agree with you.
JobaTipsHisCap October 12th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
I feel bad for Arod, and hope he can come back strongly next year.
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I hope so too. He just might be at the point where no amount of off season work help him bounce back.
bruceb October 12th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Wow. Didn’t realize that A-Rod still had such a fan club.
Benching him tonight was a no-brainer. The guy has done nothing, absolutely nothing, for this team the whole year. At least Granderson can still play a decent center field.
I don’t care whether he’s angry; I don’t care whether he’s injured. All I care about is winning tonight’s game. We have a better chance of doing that with him on the bench. How many more chances did he deserve?
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It’s a winner take all game so I agree with you but is it wrong for people to still want to see A-Rod do well? Should we all just boo him forever?
bruceb October 12th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Wow. Didn’t realize that A-Rod still had such a fan club.
Benching him tonight was a no-brainer. The guy has done nothing, absolutely nothing, for this team the whole year. At least Granderson can still play a decent center field.
I don’t care whether he’s angry; I don’t care whether he’s injured. All I care about is winning tonight’s game. We have a better chance of doing that with him on the bench. How many more chances did he deserve?
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Well said…AROD has played his way out of the line-up. And let’s be fair outside of 2009 Arod has been a horrible post season player….
I hate Cano because he doesnt value ABs in any postseason.
lol, now people want Alex on the bench; where were you when we were arguing preseason that he couldn’t be that middle of order guy anymore, and that Cano needed another bat to complement him. But the Yanks did nothing to address it, besides sign a couple of bench players.
…and traded our only young bat…
JM October 12th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Chavez has not exactly been smoking the ball, albeit in a limited sample size
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He hasn’t. And Arod’s numbers vs. Hammels aren’t bad.
Let’s STOP the, “Woe is A-Rod BS”. He has 1 injury, and it’s the same one we witnessed befall Giambi. It’s Always gonna be something with A-Rod from here-on-out. The Users simply begin steadily breaking down.
And Cano is getting the same treatment that Alex got in 2005 playoffs vs. the Angels when he barely saw any pitches in the strike zone but didn’t take his walks.
Arod has to be injured.
Could be his wrist, arm, shoulder, knee, etc…..
There is no other reason that can explain why he’s not in the starting line-up.
Gardner has not swung a bat in anger in what… over a year? Yes, let’s get him out there in the most important at bats of the season. Hell, let’s just play the whole bench! It’s not like the players in the lineup got this team where they are in the first place (in first place).
Jason Hammel is pitching for Baltimore, not Cy Young. We have some great splits against him (unfortunately A-Rod is one of them) but Ichiro and Cano light this guy up.
The yankee’s offense is in full post-season sleep mode, a state they’re used to being in for the last decade or so at least 90% of the time.
Everybody knows who has contributed and those who haven’t; time for those who haven’t to step up. They need to carry their weight and produce and not pass the baton.
Nobody wants to hear BS talk from the players or mgt after another early PS exit.
Just get the job done.
It’s a winner take all game so I agree with you but is it wrong for people to still want to see A-Rod do well? Should we all just boo him forever?
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You will be surprised how many ppl took joy in him being pinch hit. Not ok let’s see what Raul can do no it was f you A-rod you’re a pos.
This was on another board.
Let’s wait to hear what Arod’s injury is before we just assume that he got “benched”. Maybe it’s the hand plus his hip. Who knows but something isn’t right with him.
Arod is 0-11 with 9K’s off righties this series. Who cares about what he did off Hammel over time. This is what he is now.
Cano in the 3-spot, Tex 4th, and Ibanez 5th… thoughts??
Cano is still problem number 1 with this lineup right now. He’s right in the prime of his career, no excuses for him. 2-17 is pathetic. He has to take on a leadership role in this lineup and start being productive tonight. This team will go as he goes…. this is his lineup now with Jeter helping to set the table.
How valuable would it be for the Yankees to get a lead in the 1st inning
and never look back.
Put the O’s down early. Never give them a chance to take the lead.
Keep ‘em down and get the win in game 5
Chavez has barely played. Too many “hitters” who either are coming back from injury, haven’t been used and therefore aren’t in a rhythm.
As for lineup, we have become a true platoon team. Please don’t again compare this team to the 2009 team the latter with those perfect splits…
Good lineup….had to be done
I don’t understand why people are saying A-Rod is hurt. He’s got that same disconnect between upper body and lower body that he always gets when he’s mired in one of his more-and-more frequent slumps. He’s not limping, he’s not grimacing when he swings, he’s not slower than usual in the field. He just can’t hit, and that’s not a new thing for him in the post-season. Now, to save face they might cite some nagging injury, but I wouldn’t buy it.
Why Granderson is in there still is a mystery. Swisher still occasionally makes decent contact, but Granderson is as much as a threat as I would be up there. As much as I hate watching A-Rod kill them at the plate, I’d rather him in there than Granderson now.
Irreverent Discourse October 12th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Gardner has not swung a bat in anger in what… over a year? Yes, let’s get him out there in the most important at bats of the season. Hell, let’s just play the whole bench! It’s not like the players in the lineup got this team where they are in the first place (in first place).
Jason Hammel is pitching for Baltimore, not Cy Young. We have some great splits against him (unfortunately A-Rod is one of them) but Ichiro and Cano light this guy up.
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I understand that Gardner can’t be thrown out there tonight but what exactly is the point of having him on the team again? To pinch run in game 1 and never be used again? Should have put on Dickerson over him. Dickerson can run a little too and actually has some instincts on the base paths…
Guy who hasn’t swung in 5 months is greater than guy who swings at pitches that only travel 54 feet in the air.
Granderson is 1-for-16 with nine strikeouts in this series.
Nick Swisher is 2-for-15.
Two guys that are very, very overdue
Actually, Arod was swinging the bat very nicely before Felix broke his hand. Not like 2009, but still.
“…and traded our only young bat…”
Oh no!
Boss Tony N October 12th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
I hate Cano because he doesnt value ABs in any postseason.
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He hit .318 in the ALDS last season
Hit .348 in the 2010 ALCS
Hit .333 in the 2010 ALDS
Had a bad ALDS and WS in 2009 hitting .167 and .136 respectively. He hit .261 in the ALCS that yr.
Hit .333 in the ALDS in 07.
Shame Spencer October 12th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Cano in the 3-spot, Tex 4th, and Ibanez 5th… thoughts??
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That’s the best possible 3-4-5 right now. I like how Tex has looked. That curve Johnson threw him in the 9th was nasty. I’ve said this the past few days but Cano needs to show he’s one of the best hitters in baseball tonight. He’s been my biggest disappointment.
yankeefemenista – How badly did they need those things if they still had the best record in the AL this year? Maybe the small sample of the playoffs isn’t enough to determine anything?
The pitching in this series has been lights out, I must have missed the points when they “should have gotten hits” from all the bad pitches that were thrown.
Let’s not forget how horrendous the strikezones have been for the last 3 days. That effects a team like the Yankees (that actually knows where the plate is and walks alot) significantly more than a free swinging team like the O’s.
Irreverent, and my response to you that shatters your entire argument. You can have Gardner bunt and try to get on base with his speed or bunt to put pressure on the defense and hope for a mistake.
At this point, Granderson cant even put the ball in play, allowing luck to come into play.
You’re wrong. Deal with it.
Anyone who says f you, Alex, really has not watched him over these past 9 years. They missed a great career and Alex carrying us on his back in 2009 playoffs. People who are crushing Alex, should be crushing those who let this lineup get to this place instead. That being said, I still expect us to win this game today. C. is the key.
Against All Odds October 12th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Boss Tony N October 12th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
I hate Cano because he doesnt value ABs in any postseason.
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He hit .318 in the ALDS last season
Hit .348 in the 2010 ALCS
Hit .333 in the 2010 ALDS
Had a bad ALDS and WS in 2009 hitting .167 and .136 respectively. He hit .261 in the ALCS that yr.
Hit .333 in the ALDS in 07.
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His overall postseason average is .243….. he’s not nearly as guilty of postseason failure as people here think but he should be better than .243 in my opinion.
yankeefeminista October 12th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Chavez has barely played. Too many “hitters” who either are coming back from injury, haven’t been used and therefore aren’t in a rhythm.
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Yeah I dunno.. I woulda stuck with:
Jeter
Ichi
Cano
Ibanez
Arod
Tex
Swish
Martin
Grandy
But Grandy has to be in that 8 or 9th spot.
Oh I forgot when it comes to Cano whatever he does at the time is who he is or his career. He doesn’t run out a ball. “He’s never ran hard in his life” He has a bad PS and it’s “He’s never hit in the PS” He struggles in the clutch this yr and it’s “You can never depend on Cano to get clutch hits”
I can’t believe what I am reading. Arod is 0-11, 0 for effing 11, with 9 whiffs off righties. No more justification is needed to bench him. He does not have to be hurt. He is atrocious. Period.
Warning Track Power October 12th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
I’m shocked and a little upset that ARod is not in the starting line-up
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WTP, come on now, the guy is not even close to making contact. He’s completely lost at the plate.
Sending him against Hamel today would accomplish nothing, except perhaps reinforcing his own self-doubt. He needs to get his body and head together in the off-season. It’s way too late for anyone to put stock in him doing that in the next week or two.
Tyler October 12th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Against All Odds October 12th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Boss Tony N October 12th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
I hate Cano because he doesnt value ABs in any postseason.
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He hit .318 in the ALDS last season
Hit .348 in the 2010 ALCS
Hit .333 in the 2010 ALDS
Had a bad ALDS and WS in 2009 hitting .167 and .136 respectively. He hit .261 in the ALCS that yr.
Hit .333 in the ALDS in 07.
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His overall postseason average is .243….. he’s not nearly as guilty of postseason failure as people here think but he should be better than .243 in my opinion.
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True but to say he never values a PS AB is a lie.
Against, I made no mention of his statistics. I said Cano doesnt value ABs. He has no discipline when it matters the most. He’s up there swinging at everything. Can you tell me how many pitches he saw in X number of ABs in his postseason career.
yankeefeminista October 12th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Anyone who says f you, Alex, really has not watched him over these past 9 years.
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For some ppl those 9 yrs don’t matter at all.
Benching Granderson would have major repercussions in terms of defense. Ibanez would have to play right field. Imagine what would be said in here if we lost game five on a dropped pop-up? Replacing A-Rod with Chavez at 3B does not impact defense at all.
Boss Tony N – Granderson can bunt too. He fan also accidentally hit home runs. Arguement SHATTERED. Seriously.
Against All Odds October 12th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Tyler October 12th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Against All Odds October 12th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Boss Tony N October 12th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
I hate Cano because he doesnt value ABs in any postseason.
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He hit .318 in the ALDS last season
Hit .348 in the 2010 ALCS
Hit .333 in the 2010 ALDS
Had a bad ALDS and WS in 2009 hitting .167 and .136 respectively. He hit .261 in the ALCS that yr.
Hit .333 in the ALDS in 07.
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His overall postseason average is .243….. he’s not nearly as guilty of postseason failure as people here think but he should be better than .243 in my opinion.
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True but to say he never values a PS AB is a lie.
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Yeah, that guy is a master of hyperbole. I actually just looked up Miguel Cabrera’s postseason stats and he’s only at .276…. he has hit for a lot of power (.910 OPS) but I thought his was higher also. He only hit .200 against the Yanks last year when it felt like he was hitting at least .500…..
Girardi is so inconsistent. He just said the other day he didn’t want to bat Cano 3rd because then he’d have to make Ichiro leadoff.
*Hammel
Tyler October 12th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Irreverent Discourse October 12th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Gardner has not swung a bat in anger in what… over a year? Yes, let’s get him out there in the most important at bats of the season. Hell, let’s just play the whole bench! It’s not like the players in the lineup got this team where they are in the first place (in first place).
Jason Hammel is pitching for Baltimore, not Cy Young. We have some great splits against him (unfortunately A-Rod is one of them) but Ichiro and Cano light this guy up.
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I understand that Gardner can’t be thrown out there tonight but what exactly is the point of having him on the team again? To pinch run in game 1 and never be used again? Should have put on Dickerson over him. Dickerson can run a little too and actually has some instincts on the base paths…
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On some level I agree.. if Gardner was never an option to start or be subbed in on any level they should have given Dickerson more time down the stretch to see if those numbers he was posting could continue. Ride the hot hand and all that jazz. Dickersons numbers were pretty absurd. I wouldn’t start him over Granderson either in this situation, don’t get me wrong, but having an actual option would be nice. Jones, of course, was the other option that didn’t pan out.
Boss Tony N October 12th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Against, I made no mention of his statistics. I said Cano doesnt value ABs. He has no discipline when it matters the most. He’s up there swinging at everything. Can you tell me how many pitches he saw in X number of ABs in his postseason career.
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You said he doesn’t value PS ABs. I showed you that he is not as terrible as you make him out to be. He has to Value ABS to some degree if he batted 300 in different series.
Yanks are winning with pitching.
Bottom line – Joe HAD to shake up the lineup.
There was no lineup he could have set that would have pleased everyone.
Managing a lineup that has 80% underperformance isn’t exactly an easy gig.
And if you look at at Cano’s largest postseason sample size, the 2009 playoffs…. That’s what he is, unfortunately.
Bruce-
As much as Granderson has struggled at the plate with the bat, he needs to be in the line-up for his defense.
The alternatives are much slower and that would mean putting multiple outfielder’s out of position.
So I understand why Grandy is playing. Certainly not for his bat as of yet.
Tyler October 12th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Against All Odds October 12th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Tyler October 12th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Against All Odds October 12th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Boss Tony N October 12th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
I hate Cano because he doesnt value ABs in any postseason.
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He hit .318 in the ALDS last season
Hit .348 in the 2010 ALCS
Hit .333 in the 2010 ALDS
Had a bad ALDS and WS in 2009 hitting .167 and .136 respectively. He hit .261 in the ALCS that yr.
Hit .333 in the ALDS in 07.
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His overall postseason average is .243….. he’s not nearly as guilty of postseason failure as people here think but he should be better than .243 in my opinion.
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True but to say he never values a PS AB is a lie.
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Yeah, that guy is a master of hyperbole. I actually just looked up Miguel Cabrera’s postseason stats and he’s only at .276…. he has hit for a lot of power (.910 OPS) but I thought his was higher also. He only hit .200 against the Yanks last year when it felt like he was hitting at least .500…..
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Yes it seemed like he was monster in that series. I think he hit a bomb to RF last yr. That was a shot lol.
For some ppl those 9 yrs don’t matter at all.
Nine years and about $200 million. Let’s keep things in perspective please. A-Rod will be lying on a beach in the Seychelles in 10 years’ time while we’re still discussing his many post-season failures. And, no, I haven’t forgotten about 2009. How could I when it was the ONLY year he hit in the post-season?
And if you look at at Cano’s largest postseason sample size, the 2009 playoffs…. That’s what he is, unfortunately.
LOL, you can’t just point at his worst numbers and ignore his good ones and say “this is who he is, even though he is someone else all season!”
What on earth is going on here?
Irreverent, Granderson cant do anything right now. Cant bunt either, as evidenced last night. Once again, you lose.
U guys realize that a small sample size can sometimes produce monster #’s too, right? Everytime a player sucks in october its a small sample size issue. Swisher is on year 4 of small sample sizes. 18-115, 4 solo home runs, 6rbi. Complete garbage.
Some of you would do well to read the fangraphs article the other day… the one that pointed out how A-Rod has actually been more productive AND more clutch than Jeter in the postseason.
Facts, it ruins lies and crazy people.
Shame-
I actually would give Dickerson the start. I really like Granderson but he just looks like he needs to sit for at least a game. They wouldn’t lose too much defensively since Dickerson looks pretty good out there. He’s far from a superstar but something needs to change for tonight. And I’m not one of those play the entire bench people, haha.
Austin Jackson >> Curtis Granderson.
Dobrowsky >>>>> Cashman
“Replacing A-Rod with Chavez at 3B does not impact defense at all.”
Actually, it improves it.
Raise your hand if you guessed at the start of the season Girardi would bench A-Rod in favor of Raul Ibanez in Game 5 of the ALDS.
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I pointed at Cano’s largest postseason sample size.
I’d bet his OPS in his playoffs career is .800 or less.
bruceb October 12th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
For some ppl those 9 yrs don’t matter at all.
Nine years and about $200 million. Let’s keep things in perspective please. A-Rod will be lying on a beach in the Seychelles in 10 years’ time while we’re still discussing his many post-season failures. And, no, I haven’t forgotten about 2009. How could I when it was the ONLY year he hit in the post-season?
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And if he doesn’t hit they still don’t have a ring after 00.
Against-
He and Prince are scary especially at YS. It looks like Prince can bunt it out of the park to right.
FEW RANDOM RANTS
Have been a lifelong Yankee fan and it pains me to admit I have never so disliked a team I root for before in my entire life as I do right now with the Yankee offense.
I am so sick on listening to national press praise the work of Kevin Long
Exactly what has he done.
1st of all they seem to have become completely situational in terms of lefty/righty.
More so than I ever recall in the past and damn national TV never would show a stat like avg or slugging vs. a right / lefty for a hitter.
Joe’s theory in batting lefty / righty / lefty / righty throughout the order makes Buck use many pitchers but it also prevents rallies as regardless of pitcher there are never multiple guys in a row putting up decent ab’s
Long got all of the credit in the world for turning around Grandy against lefty’s but now that he has regressed to an auto out against a lefty where are the questions?
2nd of all does no one yell at these over paid jerks to stop trying to be a hero and hit HR’s
My god watching Grandy, Swish, Arod swing for the fences is just painful.
Cano’s problem is he expands the zone. He needs a good bat behind him
Bat him 3rd and Tex 4th. That way he may get some pitches to hit and he just needs to lay off pitches out of the zone if he doesn’t get his pitch. They are pitching around him.
3rd of all where are their fundamentals. Inability to bunt, move runners over, hit a fly ball with 1 out and a man on 3rd, put the bat on the ball, etc…
Tex led off both the 9th and the 13th ; why does he refuse to lay one down 3rd base with that shift as a leadoff hitter in a tie game or when down by one run your job is get on base.
Tex has been swinging the bat well, but his unwillingness to try that pisses me off and I blame it on Long and Girardi.
Stubborn, overpaid bunch of crap they have and really need to overhaul the roster to add more contact hitters and less power hitters.
Give me the hungry, young player that is excited to be here.
I would on principal sit Swisher, Granderson, Arod today and let the bench guys play.
There will be PH opportunities later in the game to use them anyway and it may just spark this team, because except for Ibanez, Jeter and Nix this offense has looked disinterested and totally without like the past 2 nights.
Time for Girardi to nut up, I am so sick of the disrespect card, these veterans need some cold water on their face to wake up and do what they are being paid to do.
Bryan Hoch?@BryanHoch
Joe Girardi said that there is nothing physically wrong with A-Rod. The benching is strictly performance-based.
Yankee Odessit is also Why not play Ibanez in LF?
We needed a bunt from granderson in this series, how did he make out? Hint, rhymes with stiff.
Tyler October 12th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Against-
He and Prince are scary especially at YS. It looks like Prince can bunt it out of the park to right.
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Those two are the best 3-4 in the game IMO. I would like to see them pair someone with Cano.
Look at Swisher, Irreverent. Again, you lose.
Swisher is a terrific regular season guy. Postseason, not so much.
Mark Feinsand ?@BloggingBombers
No. Cashman was in on the decision. RT @djwilli1965 do u think girardi gets fired if they lose this game for benching arod
Captain Clutch October 12th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Bryan Hoch?@BryanHoch
Joe Girardi said that there is nothing physically wrong with A-Rod. The benching is strictly performance-based.
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Well there goes the theory that he’s hurt.
Performance based? No way. He only struck out 9 times off righties in the series. He must be hurt.
You guys defending A-Rod coulda been useful at The Alamo. Same result.
Against All Odds October 12th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Tyler October 12th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Against-
He and Prince are scary especially at YS. It looks like Prince can bunt it out of the park to right.
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Those two are the best 3-4 in the game IMO. I would like to see them pair someone with Cano.
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I think Cano and Justin Upton (although he didn’t have a good year) would be great but Upton is going to cost too much in prospects.
Tyler, master of hyperbole.. Thank you. I actually laughed at that. I believe I am the master of hyperbole
How many of you are working today when the 1st pitch is made?
Are you watching the game via mlb.tv or viewing the game via some online sports
website?
Did you remember to set the DVR at home to record the game?
I wanted to set the DVR but my Comcast t.v. listings were not up to date. So I’m debating whether to race home at lunch to get a bite and check the t.v. listings to make sure the game properly records or try to set the DVR online instead.
I can only hope Joe told Alex before he posted the lineup. They’re going to need him when they advance.
anyone think giardi’s job may be in jeopardy if they lose tonight?
Mark Feinsand ?@BloggingBombersWhy did Girardi decide to keep Granderson and Swisher in the lineup for Game 5?
“Swish’s numbers don’t indicate his at-bats. I think Swish’s at-bats have been pretty good. He’s lined out, he’s hit balls hard, he hasn’t chased a lot of balls; I think Swish’s at-bats have been pretty good. Grandy has struggled. The big thing for Grandy is to swing at strikes. If he swings at strikes, he’s going to do damage.” about a minute ago
Irreverent Discourse October 12th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
And if you look at at Cano’s largest postseason sample size, the 2009 playoffs…. That’s what he is, unfortunately.
LOL, you can’t just point at his worst numbers and ignore his good ones and say “this is who he is, even though he is someone else all season!”
What on earth is going on here?
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Creating arbitrary end points. Ex: Cano struggles this yr against lefties so it becomes “Cano has never hit lefties”
Curtis is really getting a pass here when he has been much worse than ARod.
Attn: If ARod is hurt, the Yankees are certainly not going to divulge that information until
the playoffs are actually over.
DUH!!!
Boss-
You just conquered it again by calling yourself a “master” of anything
doesn;t mean Grandy is going to actually GET strikes to swing at…there’s no reaosn to
“anyone think giardi’s job may be in jeopardy if they lose tonight?”
Joe no….some of the players yes….however they made the playoffs so Hal is probably happy
lvand805 October 12th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
anyone think giardi’s job may be in jeopardy if they lose tonight?
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They won the division, never lost the lead, and the pitching has been great. The heat is on Cashman not Joe.
Nobody asks about gardner, why?
. Ibanez would have to play right field. Imagine what would be said in here if we lost game five on a dropped pop-up?
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Isn’t that what happened on 2005?
What matters is winning a must-win game.
Who cares who gets benched, or gets a bruised ego as long as they win.
No one should hold A-Rod solely responsible for our weak O.
There is plenty of blame to go round.
Whatever lineup maximizes our chance to produce runs is what Joe should do.
If there was a credible OF replacement I’m sure Grandy would be
out too.
This game is do or die. No time for sentimentality or misplaced loyalties.
I want to see an explosion not a whimpering kitten.
It’s very, very overdue.
WTP, it doesnt matter what you do. The question you must ask yourself is… Do you want to watch on DVR our tumultuous plane ride of a season finally come crashing down?
Most players OPS under .800 in the playoffs. This is not a surprise?
No one should be bunting, ESPECIALLY sac bunting. I don’t understand why that has become the conversation.
Joe Girardi said that there is nothing physically wrong with A-Rod.
In that case, it’s all mental, which I think most of us have known for some time.
Needless to say, the same hacks who have been dissing A-Rod on their back pages are now asking Girardi to justify his decision to bench him. Seriously?
The thing that annoys me most with Swisher is him sliding or tumbling every time he cuts off a ball. That totally negates the point of even cutting off the ball. And then he gets up with a big smile like he’s 8.
Swisher
18-115as a yankee in the playoffs
6 rbi on 4 solo home runs, none of which impacted a game in a meaningful way
Over 30 k’s
The guy is a joke. Accept the facts. Gone sooner than later, thanks.
My girlfriend gave me the… the game is more important to me speech today when i said i didn’t want to go out, because i hate watching recorded games because i inevitably find out who won and it doesn’t seem as much entertaining to me
Tyler October 12th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Against All Odds October 12th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Tyler October 12th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Against-
He and Prince are scary especially at YS. It looks like Prince can bunt it out of the park to right.
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Those two are the best 3-4 in the game IMO. I would like to see them pair someone with Cano.
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I think Cano and Justin Upton (although he didn’t have a good year) would be great but Upton is going to cost too much in prospects.
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That’s the problem. It may take moving players on the big club.
Tyler, you called me the master of hyperbole. I just used your words.
Anyway, those wily Yanks have got us all talking. Frustrating, yet compelling.
Tyler October 12th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Shame-
I actually would give Dickerson the start. I really like Granderson but he just looks like he needs to sit for at least a game. They wouldn’t lose too much defensively since Dickerson looks pretty good out there. He’s far from a superstar but something needs to change for tonight. And I’m not one of those play the entire bench people, haha.
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We might disagree on how it’d be employed but I think it sort of speaks to a lack of foresight which has been an issue all season.
Too bad Grandy hasn’t been able to recognize the difference between balls and strikes. He can’t lay off that inside breaking ball to save his life.
I gave in… and i still got sh!T !!! Not sure if im watching or going heh lol
Cano shouldnt be OPSing below .800 in his postseason career. This is a surprise?
I dont agree with sac bunting. I agree with putting the ball in play, something Granderson cant do.
Irreverant Discourse – are you kidding? If they don’t sac bunt they strike out, or worse? double play. In the playoffs EVERY RISP matters and every run matters. This is not money ball.
Watch the movie again, the theory doesn’t work in the postseason.
Or drawing walks… which is a skill. A skill Granderson doesnt have.
Boss Tony N October 12th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Tyler, you called me the master of hyperbole. I just used your words.
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A clear mimic of your hyperbolic skills that you just reinforced.
Regardless of how bad Swisher or Granderson is, are or have been, the bench players are not better. That’s why they are bench players. Playing them in the do or die last game of the season is not and never will be a good idea.
Really a stupid conversation.
The RISP problem has been a problem the Entire season. Cashman did Nothing to address this at the trade deadline. Ichiro is Not an answer to this problem. Cashman should be held accountable.
So basically Girardi doesn’t think that Arod can hit righties anymore….
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Bob Nightengale?@BNightengale
Girardi on A-Rod,: He’ll be ready to take an at-bat vs. a lefty
Shame-
We can both definitely agree on that. Seems to have become a common problem for the Yanks over the past 2-3 years.
Jerry Crasnick ?@jcrasnick
Girardi said “I believe (A-Rod) is ready to take an at-bat against a lefty and help us win.” #yankees
“So basically Girardi doesn’t think that Arod can hit righties anymore….”
I don’t think it means he doesn’t think he ever will again….but right now he can’t and that’s what Joe has to think about.
would have sat Granderson down instead
Cashman, Kevin Long need to go.
Immediately.
I blame Cashman for doing NOTHING for our farm system in the past 14 years.
It is not in a good place and he forces himself to overpay home run derby all-stars.
So Now we got a $30 Mill DH\Platoon Player ?????
Good thing that alchohol is a dual-use product.
Can be used to celebrate with, or to numb pain.
I’ve got it covered.
Granderson v Gardner – just for you stat-o-philes:
(I had to use Gardy’s 2011 season since his 2012 was kaput).
2012 Granderson : 160 games, 596 AB, 43 HR, 160 H (total H+2B+3B), 75 BB, 195 SO, .232 BA, .319 OBP
2011 Gardner : 159 games, 510 AB, 7 HR, 159 H, 60 BB, 93 SO, .259 BA, .345 OBP
Granderson hits a HR once every 14 AB, gets a hit of some sort once every 4 AB, walks once every 8 AB and strikes out once ever 3 AB
Gardner hits a HR once every 73 AB, gets a hit of some sort once every 3 AB, walks once every 8 AB and strikes out once every 5 AB
MTU – maybe you should get WillWill’s girlfriend drunk
these guys right now are all guess hitting, some are missing the ball by a foot or more
Speaking of hyperbole…
Ive often said this with regards to other sports situations… and I mean no offense to actual victims of rape. But what the Yankees offense has done to us this series is rape. Rape is about stripping a person of his/her dignity. That’s exactly what the Yankees offense has done this series. They’ve raped us of our dignity.
^ Nuts.
According to your stats, Granderson K’s 1 of every 3 ABs. Astonishing!!!
Great Job Kevin Long!!!!!
Boss Tony N October 12th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Speaking of hyperbole…
Ive often said this with regards to other sports situations… and I mean no offense to actual victims of rape. But what the Yankees offense has done to us this series is rape. Rape is about stripping a person of his/her dignity. That’s exactly what the Yankees offense has done this series. They’ve raped us of our dignity.
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Really……
I blame Cashman for doing NOTHING for our farm system in the past 14 years.
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It’s not 14 yrs. Judge him since he took control. It’s better but not great
all –
young Rachel Ward
or
young Jacqueline Bisset ?
I’m perfectly willing to give the Yankees a photo tribute if they’ll just agree to win tonight.
I think that is emminently fair.
Thats essentially whats been going on this series. I feel like Ive lost my dignity and whatever innocence I still had watching these overpaid pieces of crap like Swisher and Granderson show no desire.
Most of us care more than Swisher and Granderson do. Losing isnt going to ruin their vacations.
no matter what happens here on out, like to see them blow the whole OF up, get a every day 3rd baseman,move Arod to DH…
Here’s Granderson’s 2012 Postseason stats vs Gardners 2011 postseason
(I cannot stress enough the tiny tiny tiny sample size here so take it with a big fat grain of salt)
2012 Grandy: 5 games, 16 AB, 1 H (total), 1 BB, 9 SO, 0.063 BA, .118 OBP
2011 Gardy: 5 games, 17 AB, 8 H (7 singles 1 double), 1 BB, 4 SO, .412 BA, .444 OBP
I blame you all, as fans… you have done NOTHING to help this team win. You should all be ashamed. Granderson is up there trying to get a hit and you just SIT there.
If you are all going to be nuts and blame everyone under the sun, I’m going to blame you.
Ha!
To be quite honest, Id rather have had Jerry Sandusky sodomize and rape me than have watched what Ive seen thus far this series from the Yankees offense.
Girardi basically said Granderson is only in the lineup for his defense.
You want a Yankee win tonight ? I’ll just bet Balt on the $ line…
Irreverent Discourse October 12th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
I blame you all, as fans… you have done NOTHING to help this team win. You should all be ashamed. Granderson is up there trying to get a hit and you just SIT there.
If you are all going to be nuts and blame everyone under the sun, I’m going to blame you.
Ha!
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>sob<
Boss Tony N – You are a pathetic person, and your last three comments really ice the cake.
Grow up. It’s just a game. A game you are watching in your spare time. Maybe you would be better served watching something else… or rooting for some other team that isn’t “filled to the brim with losers”.
Complaining 100% of the day does not make you a fan, it makes you a loser.
Dont worry folks, after Im banned under this name, Ill be back later tonight with a new one.
Interesting that Cash had a hand in benching Arod.
I’ve been saying it forever, but Joe is just the guy giving the marching orders. Not the decider.
Cash might be trying to shame Arod out of that deal starting sooner rather than later lol..
Granderson should be either sitting or batting last. He is the worst hitter we have in this series and the O’s know they don’t have to throw him a strike to get him out….pathetic.
Against All Odds, brian cashman took over for Bob Watson in 1998.
How many years is that?
14, by my math
Mark Feinsand ?@BloggingBombers
Girardi said he didn’t want to play Gardner because he’s had 3 at-bats. And moving Ichiro to CF, he didn’t have a DH he wanted to use.
Mark Feinsand ?@BloggingBombers
No. Cashman was in on the decision. RT @djwilli1965 do u think girardi gets fired if they lose this game for benching arod
Picture a scenario where they bring in a lefty(Brian Matusz) at some point in the game to pitch to Granderson, then Joe sends up Arod to pinch hit for Grandy
Jack Curry ?@JackCurryYES
Granderson remains in lineup because he’s solid on D and he’s one swing away from hitting a ball 315 feet. Yankees hoping he connects.
Chavez will put one in the seats tonight or do something with the bat.
He’s been one of the most accountable guys on this team when they were playing like garbage this season and his bat can hit fastballs and off speed pitches.
This had to be done. With Chavy and Ibanez in the lineup tonight we have the best chance to win.
As for Grandy, forget his bat. He’s in for defense. Putting Ichiro in CF for a deciding game was too risky and Gardner is still too raw at the plate because of his injury.
Girardi did the right thing. The only thing he got caught up in last night was the “Arod redemption” storyline people were writing in their heads. He got burned for it last night and wasn’t going home for the off season without trying to fix it one last time.
I think we’re going to see a different offense tonight – the usual suspects will be iffy, but with the addition of Chavy and Ibanez I think we’ll be good enough.
Don Vito – The Yankees need all of those politicians that you carry around in your pocket, like so many nickels and dimes.
Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS
Granderson looks as bad as arod at plate but it’s too late too turn to gardner now. Chavez is ready to go at 3b. Good calls
Wow.
This is like the Shootout at the OK Corral in here today.
Way much more fun than the game is going to be tonight. I’ll have my head under a blanket most of the time.
It’s never just a game. It’s life and death.
Irreverent Discourse October 12th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Regardless of how bad Swisher or Granderson is, are or have been, the bench players are not better. That’s why they are bench players. Playing them in the do or die last game of the season is not and never will be a good idea.
Really a stupid conversation.
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I think the same applies to Chavez/Arod though… I want Chavez to get good ABs tonight, don’t get me wrong.. but I dunno that he’s actually a better option. What’s worse is I think Joe’s setting Arod up for failure if he does PH with him at some point. He’ll be coming off the bench cold and while I don’t have his PH numbers, I can’t imagine they’d be awesome.
Chavez has batted .230 over the last month and a half? Nothing about him makes him more likely to hit a ball than A-Rod tonight.
Wow, this could be Girardi’s career on the line.
Dumb, dumb move. A-Rod is a better fielder. I know he hasn’t hit anything, still is a better fielder. Just play him and move him down the lineup!
Swisher is at least putting balls in play. Granderson and arod strikeout on THREE pitches every time. I still don’t get the logic in not playing gardy. I am pretty sure that Gardy could do no worse than 0-4, 3 k’s. Oh well. I like this lineup today.
G. Love October 12th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Chavez will put one in the seats tonight or do something with the bat.
He’s been one of the most accountable guys on this team when they were playing like garbage this season and his bat can hit fastballs and off speed pitches.
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I agree he’s been a great player for us this year, but his ABs the other night looked just as bad as everyone elses. People predicted Chavez would have a big game that night as well and he put up an 0-4 performance.
“Cash might be trying to shame Arod out of that deal starting sooner rather than later”
30 mil is a bit steep for a DH.
(I hope A-Rod will adjust ala Jeter in the OS)
Who wouldve guessed that Jayson Nix wouldve been infinitely more productive than Swisher and Granderson combined??
land Josh Hamilton.
just do it.
As much as i love Arod .. . . its the right call …. no problems here … This lineup has a late 90′s feel to it ….
Arod is 0-12 with NINE vs right handers in this series. There is zero reason to play him. I don’t care if chavez hit .100 for the final two months. Chavez is a million times better than arod vs rhp.
Im not sure Arod has ever been a better fielder than Chavy at 3rd.
NINE k’s!
Irreverent Discourse October 12th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Chavez has batted .230 over the last month and a half? Nothing about him makes him more likely to hit a ball than A-Rod tonight.
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Exactly.
Keeping Arod in one of the middle 3-6 spots and Granderson batting 9th would be better.
Now they’re going to call him off the bench in the 7th or 8th in a big spot.. and he’ll prob be screwed.
A-rod is NOT a better fielder than Chavez.
Shame,
Chavez is going to have a big night tonight and lead to us scoring runs.
Trust me, I’ve stayed at a Holiday Inn in Aruba once.
A couple of hours will tell us if Girardi made the right moves or not. All this arguing proves/solves nothing.
“land Josh Hamilton.
just do it.
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Great, taht’s all we need, another home run derby all-star.
If they do this? Figure out a trade to send Granderson to Colorado for CarGo.
We need a guy who hits for average.
It’s proves that people can argue.
As for Grandy, forget his bat. He’s in for defense. Putting Ichiro in CF for a deciding game was too risky and Gardner is still too raw at the plate because of his injury.
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But gardner could probably get a bunt down
Guys – while I personally think Arod should still be in there (law of averages), I do understand the decision vs. sitting Granderson. There is simply nobody to play in Grandy’s place. In my mind Grandy has been even worse than Arod, but if you don’t play Grandy you lose his defense and Gardner hasn’t played enough. Girardi has no choice.
I think Arod is going to have a pinch hit RBI double.
Trust me, I?ve stayed at a Holiday Inn in Aruba once.
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LMAO
Really stupid putting Gardner on the roster if all he can do is pinch run. Waste of a spot. He had three at bats at the end of the year and looked fine. Even got a hit in one of them. He definitely could have played today. Granderson is a strike out machine and is not “solid” on D. That is false. I seriously hope he proves me wrong and goes yard today or something, but I doubt it.
Also would have loved to see Swisher benched. When a guy is 1-34 or something in his postseason career with RISP 2 out, and generally just sucks in the playoffs altogether, it’s pretty easy to have faith in a bench player over him. It’s just the same old story from him and Grandy. I hope they bust out of their slumps today, and I hope the Yankees win, but there are more reasons for pessimism with those guys than optimism.
Gardner has as many hits in his last 3 AB than Granderson has in his last 16.
How about Jeter leads off with a single, Ichiro single, Cano HR. Wouldn’t that feel sooooooooooooo good?
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