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Postgame notes: “If he’s not getting up, something’s wrong”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Oct 14, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

It wasn’t when he moved to his left. It wasn’t when he scooped the ball. It wasn’t even when he fell down.

The moment of realization came when Derek Jeter didn’t get up.

“If he’s not getting up, something’s wrong,” Joe Girardi said. “… Even when I went to the field and I was going to carry him in, he said, ‘No, do not carry me.’”

Jeter’s left ankle is broken. The guy who’s been playing on a bruised and battered left ankle for the better part of a month finally suffered an injury he couldn’t dismiss.

“It’s something you can’t play through,” general manager Brian Cashman said. “Doc had to emphasize that because of who he’s talking to.”

Girardi pointed to the front of his ankle, an inch or so above his foot, to describe the exact location of the fracture. Jeter will need three months to recover and is expected to be ready for spring training. But spring training is a long way away, and after tonight, there’s very little that seems within reach.

“The job is to find a way over every obstacle that gets thrown our way,” Cashman said. “We’re in an opportunity with one team standing in our way to get to the World Series. No matter what the circumstances are, whether it’s rain or injuries, we have to find a way to move forward. Do I admit without a doubt this is a big loss? Yes. Is it something that we’re going to allow us to stop dreaming and achieve our goal? No. We’re not going to allow that.”

But my goodness, does the task ever seem like a tall one. The Yankees put together yet another ninth-inning rally, Raul Ibanez hit yet another unthinkable home run, and the Yankees had a chance to steal a win on a night when all hope seemed lost in the eighth inning. There was euphoria, and then there was defeat. As bitter as defeat can be.

“I think some people left us for dead when Mo went down, and here we are in the ALCS,” Girardi said. “And Jeet is going to tell us, ‘Let’s go.’ That’s what he’s going to tell us. I’m sad for him because I know how much he loves to play and play in these type of situation, but he would tell us, ‘Let’s go.’”

But go where? How? With who?

If the Yankees are going to pull this off and make a run at another World Series, they’re going to do it without Mariano Rivera and without Derek Jeter. The only Core Four member still active is the one who was retired last year. A loss like this — after the ninth-inning rally, the 12th-inning defeat, with Jeter unable to pick himself up out of the dirt — it’s as stunning and demoralizing a loss as you can imagine.

“I knew I wasn’t going to hear those words from him,” Girardi said. “There’s been some times where you see him limping pretty bad and I will ask him, ‘Are you okay?’ And he says, ‘I’m great, let’s go.’ That’s exactly what he says to me. He never tells me what’s bothering him, ever, and I can’t tell you how much I appreciate his toughness and his grit. It’s, to me, a great example for everyone. … This guy knows how to handle it, and it’s disappointing that we’re not going to have him. But as I said, I know he would say, ‘Let’s go. I’m great.’”

But Jeter wasn’t great, and after a night like this, where do the Yankees go?

• The nuts and bolts of what’s next are clear: Jeter will go on the disabled list, Eduardo Nunez will be activated, and Cashman left no doubt that Jayson Nix will become the Yankees starting shortstop the rest of the way. “It’s a tough loss,” Cashman said. “But it’s not something we’re going to let derail us. It’s tough to lose any important player — and Derek has been obviously as important as anybody — but now he’s been taken out. Nix will go in there, and we have a lot of confidence in Nix.”

• Girardi said the fracture is in a place totally separate from Jeter’s other foot and ankle problems, but it’s hard to imagine this isn’t connected in some way. “It very well could be related,” Cashman said. “He’s been banged up with that foot, so I would think it is related.”

• Jeter will have additional tests, but as of tonight there were no plans for surgery. He might have surgery eventually, but there is only limited information at this point. The Yankees do not believe this is career-threatening. “It’s something the winter will take care of and he’ll be ready for us in spring training,” Cashman said.

• Jeter did not address the media. He got the diagnosis when he was in the trainers room with a small group of people including Cashman, Dr. Christopher Ahmad, Steve Donohue, Billy Eppler and Joe Torre. Jeter’s reaction upon hearing the news? “He didn’t have one,” Cashman said.

• Brett Gardner was among the first to reach Jeter after the injury, but he said there wasn’t much dialogue on the field before Donohue and Girardi got there. “When he went down initially, I thought it looked a little odd,” Gardner said. “And then when I saw he couldn’t get up and he flipped the ball to Robbie Cano — because he knew there was guy at second who could possibly go from third to home — you knew it wasn’t good.”

• Girardi’s postgame press conference was almost nothing but Jeter and was cut short before any real game related questions were asked. In a situation like this, it’s likely Girardi will be asked questions about his bullpen management tomorrow. For tonight, all of the conversation centered on Jeter.

• Girardi did say that he had not addressed the team to officially tell them Jeter’s ankle was broken, but word had spread to most players in the clubhouse. “You feel more sorry for the guys that get hurt, not yourself,” Mark Teixiera said. “You don’t feel sorry for the team, for yourself, you feel sorry for Derek and Mo when they go down and can’t contribute.”

• Just to be clear, both Girardi and Cashman said Alex Rodriguez will not play shortstop.

• Speaking of Rodriguez, he was pulled for a pinch hitter again tonight. “The first at-bat, he had a good at-bat,” Girardi said. “You can look at this game, and Peralta makes an outstanding play. They get a break. And Fister is skinny and I’m still trying to figure out how the ball hit him. There are other pitchers I can understand that (the ball) hit the guy up the middle, but not this guy. We had some bad breaks early, and had a bad break at the end too.”

• The key bullpen decisions that Girardi made tonight: He used Derek Lowe as the first man out of his bullpen, and after Lowe got through Miguel Cabrera and Prince Fielder, he was left in to give up a home run to Delmon Young and a double to Jhonny Peralta. Girardi also elected to pull both Rafael Soriano and Dave Robertson after just one inning. That’s what left David Phelps in the game for the decisive 12th inning.

• To his credit, Phelps was at his locker longer than anyone tonight, ready to answer any questions about his outing. But honestly, what was he going to say about this one? His part of the night was pretty crystal clear.

• Raul Ibanez’s game-tying home run in the ninth was the 114th home run in postseason history in the ninth inning or later that tied the game or gave a team the lead. Ibanez is only the second player to do so three times in his career — the other is Johnny Bench — and Ibanez is the only player to pull it off three times in a single postseason. Ibanez is also the only player with three home runs in the ninth inning or later of a single postseason.

• In 42 previous ALCS matchups, the team that’s won Game 1 has won the series 60 percent of the time. Since the introduction of the seven-game format in 1985, the Game 1 winner has won the series 54 percent of the time. In seven of the past 12 ALCS, the team that lost Game 1 went on to win the series.

• This was only the second ALCS Game 1 to reach the 12th inning. The first was in 1969.

• Miguel Cabrera has reached base safely in all 17 of his postseason games with the Tigers. That’s the second-longest such streak in franchise history behind Hank Greenberg’s 18-game streak from 1934 through 1945.

• Andy Pettitte is the sixth player to appear in a postseason game under the age of 24 and at the age of 40 or older. The others are Willie Mays, Eddie Murray, Rickey Henderson, Greg Maddux and Chipper Jones.

• Pettitte on his start: “I felt good tonight. Obviously I wish I could have shut them down and given our guys a chance to get on the board first.”

• On the double that got past Nick Swisher in the 12th, Swisher said he lost the ball in the lights. “I got a great jump on it, man, and it went up in the lights and I just went completely blind,” Swisher said. “It’s a helpless feeling.”

• Jeter’s second-inning single gave him 200 career postseason hits.

• Doug Fister allowed 11 baserunners through 6.1 innings but didn’t allow a run. He’s the first player in postseason history to allow 11 or more runners in fewer than seven innings without allowing a run. The only pitcher to allow 11 or more baserunner in seven innings without allowing a run in a postseason game is Johan Santana, who did so against the Yankees in Game 1 of the 2004 ALDS.

• Final word will go to Teixeira: “We have to have guys step up. That’s kind of been the theme all year. If one team is used to having guys step in to take someone’s place, it’s us. We’ve had to deal with it all year. It’s really disappointing to have Derek out of the lineup. We know how much this game means to him, especially the playoffs mean so much to him. We probably feel more for him than anyone else who would go out.”

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220 Responses to “Postgame notes: “If he’s not getting up, something’s wrong””

  1. Carlos October 14th, 2012 at 3:11 am

    If they Yankees stop trying to hit the ball over the fence every at bat, I still believe they can win this series.

    I don’t, however, believe they will stop trying to hit the ball 50 miles every at bat.

  2. jmills October 14th, 2012 at 3:19 am

    The Yanks can win without Jeter – the rest of them have to pick it up. Tough loss , but its only one for Chr#st’s sake.

  3. yankeebc October 14th, 2012 at 3:22 am

    In nearly 60 years of rooting for the Yanks I can’t recall seeing such ineptitude at the plate. The hallmark of their approach over all those winning years was patience, making the pitcher throw strikes. These guys seem ready to swing at anything that’s close.

  4. jmills October 14th, 2012 at 3:24 am

    Yankeebc, something good can come out of this, meaning, the rest of ‘em learn how to hit :)

  5. yankeebc October 14th, 2012 at 3:29 am

    Desperate times call for desperate measures. Since Nicky Swish seems determined to play himself out of any chance of getting a new contract, I say sit him down — Granderson too — move Ichiro to right, Nunez into left and Brett Gardner into centre.

  6. jmirjmir October 14th, 2012 at 3:32 am

    Tyler October 14th, 2012 at 1:47 am


    Haha, I’d do the same. Girardi looked exhausted to me tonight. It’s been a brutal week for him.


    Girardi looked more exhausted than I felt, which was frightening.

    That is the most tired I can remember being watching a game.

    I’m worn down by the night after night, day after day, and I’m just watching.

    I don’t think our lineup is good enough to get us anywhere in this series. Too many guys who just aren’t very good with the pressure on.

    I’d love to be surprised.

    I don’t know why, but when I got back upstairs from watching the game, I just lost it, despite being whipped. Maybe because I feel like the year is over. But I exploded a huge gatorade bottle, broke part of the refrigerator, and turned what turned out to be a surprisingly substantial wooden chair into kindling. That got out of hand in a hurry.

  7. jmills October 14th, 2012 at 3:33 am

    Yankeebc, sounds like a plan, Stan. The Yanks are still, right in this thing.

  8. jmills October 14th, 2012 at 3:36 am

    Jmir, I know the feeling, believe me – I hope your fridge is o.k..

  9. ChokeXOnXFailure October 14th, 2012 at 4:37 am

    You guys are advocating moving Nunez to the outfield as “a plan”, because they’re “still in this”?

    Come on.

    Look, I know it’s a blast playing manager, but putting Nunez in the outfield during the ALCS, where he has played exactly 8 times his entire career, is comically misguided. Not to mention the fact that he was left off the roster to begin with because of the fact that he can’t hit righties, which is all Detroit has.

    The cold, hard truth is that this team is in deep, deep trouble. One of the only players that’s hit through the 6 post season games thus far just went down, and is lost to us. This is not something that a bandaid like Eduardo Nunez is going to fix.

    You get the feeling at this point that it’s just not going to happen. Bench Swisher, start Gardner, whatever. It honestly feels like they’re rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

    As for this game, it was lost when they didn’t score Gardner from third, and then didn’t hit at all in the 11th. Phelps, lord bless him, is not ready for this. His 2 appearances thus far, he’s pitched scared, and it’s shown. To expect that poor kid to go out there and perform against the three best hitters on that team, in that situation was folly, but they really didn’t have anything else. The minute that they failed to do ANYTHING in the bottom of the 11th, the game was over. David Phelps was always going to get lit up by those guys, period.

    Tomorrow, Kuroda goes on short rest, which he’s never done before, after being tired for the last month. While I won’t say it’s IMPOSSIBLE that he’ll do well, I think there’s just too much stacked against him. And I don’t even want to think about what Verlander’s going to do them us in game 3.

    This was a must-win game from the start. They had 2 innings where I really thought they were going to put something together, and then spent the rest of the game trying to play Home Run Derby instead of putting together good, consistent ABs after they got jobbed out of a run in the 2nd.

    I know the writers have to report the news, and they aren’t going to write “There is quite literally no way the Yankees win this series”. But if we’re being honest, that’s what they probably SHOULD write. There’s just too much to overcome.

  10. jmirjmir October 14th, 2012 at 5:13 am

    Jmir, I know the feeling, believe me – I hope your fridge is o.k..
    Such a silly little piece that I ripped out and bent into origami, and yet, a kind of crucial piece.

    I don’t think they have much chance, but part of that is that Verlander is going to get the *most* creative interpretation of the strike zone, and that is just BS.

    The strike “zone” was absurd both ways last night, so I’m not blaming it, but why is it too much to expect that there be a consistent strike zone that vaguely resembles the rules for, you know, the strike zone? It has been absurd in every PS game I’ve watched this year. It is actually *not* something that is up for interpretation. And yet these guys are way off every night.

    Yeah, there were some legitimate chances, and I knew when the last was squandered, we were cooked. Our only chance in this series was for Russel’s blast to somehow hook fair.

    It’s hard to imagine all the guys we need to turn it around suddenly becoming anything other than the auto, unproductive outs that they are. We have FOUR guys in that lineup (Granderson, Swisher, A Rod, Cano) who each represent a pure black hole, at the moment. And Hiro on short rest -

    I still think it defies explanation that Bud Selig was allowed to screw us the way he did with the schedule – nice reward for 162 better games than anyone else. And his screw job made it that much more certain that we were a very long longshot in this series.

    The baseball Gods, our cretin commissioner, a bunch of chokers strangling this lineup – hard to see anything good. It really is.

  11. disco stu October 14th, 2012 at 7:01 am

    How devastating was last night’s loss? About as close to impossible a task now as you can think of.

    What Jeter means to this team, organization, and fan base both on and off the field cannot be overstated enough. It would be one thing if this was just one night (expect for the ninth inning) where the offense didnt show up. But we all know that is not the case because this lineup is littered with one underachieving dead weight after another.

    Its pretty said when the 3 most productive offense players are all pushing 40 years old (Jeter, Ichiro, and Ibanez) … and now one is removed.

    Realistically, what remains of this team has one shot left now to show they can make still make a series of this thing and that is tonight. Win tonight or dont even attempt to sell any of us that they can still pull this off.

    But think about this one tidbit … losing last night means that the Yankees will need to win 4 out of the next 5 games in order to win the series without it having to go to Game 7 (against Verlander on full rest … even with CC on the mound, on short of course … and without Jeter).

  12. berri October 14th, 2012 at 7:04 am

    I really don’t see the Yankees winning this series, unless they decide to hit with RISP. They cannot WAIT for the home run. They should just try and get one run at a time. They should work the count and walk. Do not go for garbage in the dirt.

    They should hit and run and stop swinging at garbage in the dirt or no where near the strike zone.
    That is what they were doing against Fister, especially Granderson.

    Cano has to get his head out of his a$$….He is much better than he is showing right now.

    I hope Girardi benches Swisher cause I am tired of him trying to hit home runs all the time. Girardi should player Gardner, at least he would provide a good defense, if he hits, than that would be a positive….better than what Granderson, Cano and Swisher are doing right now.

    I am also not enthused about Koroda going on three days rest.

    It has not been pleasant to watch this team press and that is what they are doing and that will not get the job done.

    I do know that they should use Nunez as the DH with Ibanez, Gardner and Ichiro in the outfield, benching Granderson and Swisher. It might help.

    I do know that they most likely will not use Nunez as the shortstop because the Yankees are afraid of the error potential, but I do think Nunez should be in the lineup.

    Just my 2 cents.

  13. sunny615 October 14th, 2012 at 7:21 am

    Can they win this series. I’m sure it’s possible. With swish, Arod and grandy hitting like crap, no Jeter and the inability to hit with RISP in full bloom? I’m thinking its going to be very very very hard. But who knows? Maybe this will wake those guys up. That’s their only hope.

  14. Yankees_Fan October 14th, 2012 at 7:23 am

    If there is one thing that I’m proud of our team, is their resiliency under the toughest situations. When Mo was lost for the season, even the most die-hard fan had to think, even for a brief moment, about this season being headed to disappointments. With Pineda already out, Pettite, A-Rod, Teixeira and Gardner out at some points, you would’ve been surprised if somebody told you they would win their division and have the best record in the AL.

    Time and again, the team has fought back from deficits to tie games and win some. They always seem to have a chance. We can be proud of that.

    This may be the toughest blow of all of them, but as its their character, I don’t expect the team to fold and vanish. This team will get up and put up a fight. With Jeter out, I expect players to treat their at bats like precious possessions, because no longer will Jeter bail them out like he sometimes used to. I expect them to show their pulse, storm back and put up the type of fight they have throughout the season.

    Go Yankees! Show the world what you are truly made of. Put up a fight!

  15. blake October 14th, 2012 at 7:30 am

    I feel horrible for Derek. …. He’s essentially been playing with a nail in his tire for over a month and it finally just blew out on him….. Very unfortunate

    Truth is though that if his teammates don’t perform better than they did last night he will only miss 3 games……

  16. Yankee Trader October 14th, 2012 at 7:43 am


    I couldn’t agree more. The Yankees lose their Captain, their leadoff hitter, the only one who can hit the ball the other way.

    Yes the Yankees can still win this series, but the offense will have to accomplish a complete turnaround in less than 24 hours, without their best player.

  17. blake October 14th, 2012 at 7:46 am

    One of the most disappointing games I can remember….. They sleep walk through 8 innings then rally ….then fall asleep again.

    3 crucial mistakes that led to the loss of the game and the ca

  18. blake October 14th, 2012 at 7:50 am

    One of the most disappointing games I can remember….. They sleep walk through 8 innings then rally ….then fall asleep again.

    3 crucial mistakes that led to the loss of the game and the captain.

    1: Swisher misplaying 2 balls in RF that HAVE to be caught and led directly to runs.
    2. Arod and Granderson not making contact with 2nd and 3rd runners and no outs
    3. Girardi’s horrible decision to use the back end of his bullpen in the 8th inning despite only being down 2 runs ….that just can’t happen in the playoffs…..this isn’t a game in July against the Twins.

    I hope Kuroda can gut one or today….. But he’ll have to throw a gem with this offense and no jeter

  19. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 7:54 am

    Holy f’ing baseball what did I come back to? Yankees tied it up then lost anyways & Jeter is done for the postseason? No jeter, no world series, they might not even win a game from now on.

    I spent 3 hours watching that yankees futility then watched a repeat performance as chunichi dropped game 2 to the swallows 1-0 with only 5 hits and just multiple blown chances from walks/hits coming in the same inning. It was like revisiting a nightmare.

    This Jeter news is probably the worst. He was by far their best hitter outside of Ibanez this postseason.

    This has to be the worst non-WS loss clinching game loss in the Yankees postseason history. To come back, then lose anyways, and lose their best hitter thus far is just devastating.

  20. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 7:55 am

    Wow just saw that Young go ahead double, what was Swisher doing? He could have just caught it on the run, why is he falling down rolling all over the place?

  21. Yankee Trader October 14th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    This game should never have gotten to extra innings, but since it did, the Yankees should have won it in the 10th.

    Swisher flies out to RF
    Granderson works a walk
    Girardi replaces Grandy with Gardner at 1st with the thought that Gardner would be on 3rd and the Yankees would manufacture a run. At least that was my thinking. He failed to pull it off.

    Martin up to bat, Gardner steals second. Gardner had plenty of chances in Martin’s at bat to steal 3rd.
    Now Martin flies out for the 2nd out and with Jeter at the plate he steals 3rd early in the count.

    Jeter flies out to RF.

    Yankees Gardner was inserted in that game over Grandy to be standing on 3rd with less than two outs, and would then of scored on Martin’s fly ball out.

    Game would be over two innings later.

  22. Yankee Trader October 14th, 2012 at 8:02 am

    Good morning JF and Blake-

    I’m so glad the Yankees play at 4 PM today.

    Yankee players really have themselves to blame for extending the game into extra innings and losing in the 12th with the meat of the Tigers orders scoring the go ahead run, while Jeter fractures his ankle.

  23. MTU October 14th, 2012 at 8:03 am

    I am very saddened by what happened to Jeter.

    Sad for him. Sad for the Yankees. Sad for the fans.

    What a shame. Even while injuring himself his greatness shows.

    Ibanez needs to get a special award.

    This O needs to be retooled in the OS.

    Fister sucked and the Yankees couldn’t do squat against him.

    He loaded the bases 3x’s.

    Too much is being demanded of too few.

  24. blake October 14th, 2012 at 8:03 am

    Jerkface says:
    October 14, 2012 at 7:55 am
    Wow just saw that Young go ahead double, what was Swisher doing? He could have just caught it on the run, why is he falling down rolling all over the place?

    I think he got paid to take a dive

  25. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    2 big plays swisher botched. He dives unnecessarily on one and fails to dive necessarily on the other. Terrible.

  26. blake October 14th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    If they don’t realize by now that his offense needs serious and bold retooling in the offseason then I just don’t know what to say

  27. MTU October 14th, 2012 at 8:06 am

    If I were managing this club I would not hesitate for a moment to bench whoever was not performing and try my luck w someone else.

    They couldn’t be any worse than some of them.

  28. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 8:07 am

    It is cool Ichiro & Ibanez tied the game in the 9th but I’m not giving the offense any credit for that. They can’t keep depending on coming back to win games, Girardi & any manager manages games they are losing differently from games they are winning. Same for the opposing team & vice versa.

    I don’t know how they are going to do it (probably something to do with Cano hitting maybe, he is only their best player?) but they need to score a significant amount of runs against the opposing starter.

  29. MTU October 14th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    What is it with all the broken ankles this year.


  30. MTU October 14th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    And freak injuries.

  31. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    God forbid one of the starters not pitch to a 2 ERA in their start, this team will really be in trouble.

  32. blake October 14th, 2012 at 8:09 am

    Swisher makes either of those plays and they win…..Girardi doesn’t manage like its a June game them they probably win……. Arod makes contact they probably win

  33. MTU October 14th, 2012 at 8:10 am


    I think most corpses have more life than most of the Yankees hitters.

  34. blake October 14th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    I better not hear a word from Cashman about pitching his winter…..they aren’t losing because of their pitching and heck they didn’t even lose last year because of their pitching…..they need offense…..

  35. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    God flashback to that horrible managing. Then he had to use D-rob & Soriano ANYWAYS so what was the f’ning point. He is managing backwards.

    Its really close SO USE YOUR GOOD RELIEVERS.
    Instead Girardi, and I preface this with he is generally very good & astute with the pen but this is one of his blindspots, uses bad relievers they put the game out of reach then the Yankees offense puts the game closer/tie & then girardi goes to the good relievers!!

    You use the good relievers, then if the game gets put out of reach you go to the bad ones. If not you win the game!!!!!!

  36. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 8:15 am

    The Yankees actual playoff staff is probably close or near the top of the playoff pack in ERA. Anyone kvetching about their pitching was always blowing smoke because once the playoffs started the majority of the games get pitched by CC, Kuroda, Pettitte aka guys that have a combined 3.20 ERA.

    The Yankees regular season ERA is ballooned thanks to Nova & Garcia & garbage relievers that arent even on the roster/40 man anymore. That doesn’t affect the playoffs, only the rankings for the regular season.

  37. Yankee Trader October 14th, 2012 at 8:15 am

    How will Girardi make out his lineup card without Jeter, and benching Swisher ARod, and possibly Granderson.

    Tex 1B
    Ibanez LF
    Cano 2B
    Chavez 3B
    Nix SS
    Gardner CF

    I’m kidding but this lineup can’t do any worse, can it? :)

  38. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 8:22 am

    Might as well, YT.

    I’d swap Gardner & Nunez though.

  39. blake October 14th, 2012 at 8:24 am

    I don’t even care about the lineup anymore ….

  40. Yankee Trader October 14th, 2012 at 8:24 am

    Again, the Yankees should have won the game long before it got to extra innings and I agree with your comments[JF, MTU, Blake] of why it didn’t happen.

    Do you agree or not, with my post earlier, of why Gardner inserted at 1st for another speedster, Granderson, with one out had the job to be standing on 3rd with less than two outs and thus would have scored the winning run on the Martin fly ball out.

    Just my 2 cents.

  41. blake October 14th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    I thought maybe they should try and re-sign Swisher as he’s a pretty too regular season player and is a guy that’s production will be hard for them to replace …..

    Bu he’s almost convinced me that his postseason performance isn’t a sample size issue…..the stage overwhelms him and he just cannot function

  42. Bret The Hitman October 14th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    3 reasons why Cashman is freaking hilarious.

    #1 Swisher
    #2 Granderson
    #3 Gardner

    That’s the OF he built.


  43. Bret The Hitman October 14th, 2012 at 8:30 am

    And no Cespedes to hedge his bold bets on 1,2 and 3.


  44. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 8:30 am


    Getting into scoring position is good enough in my opinion. I didn’t see the inning but Avila is a good throwing catcher & a lot of movement at 2nd distracts the hitter as well. Looking at the play by play log there were only 2 pitches he could have stolen on. The one immediately following the first steal or a ball. The others were a foul & in play.

  45. MTU October 14th, 2012 at 8:31 am


    “I don’t even care about the lineup anymore ….”

    I’m kinda disheartened too.

    Especially w. Derek going down.

  46. Bret The Hitman October 14th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    It was NEVER a mental thing with Swisher or an issue of the stage being to big. The guy lacks the SKILL and APPROACH necessary to hit good pitching.

  47. MTU October 14th, 2012 at 8:32 am

    The 2 bright spots for me :

    The pitching in general

    Raul Ibanez

  48. blake October 14th, 2012 at 8:32 am


    Yea is play Gardner and make try Tigers defense throw him out.

    But honestly the only prayer the Yanks have now is for Cano to get hot and for their pitching to just b lights out….I mean give up 2 runs or less every game

  49. MTU October 14th, 2012 at 8:32 am


    Does Cano have a pulse ?


  50. MTU October 14th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    I meant Blake. Sorry.

  51. Bret The Hitman October 14th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    And the fact that anybody here, after 175 PS AB’s, is just waking up to Swisher’s stink now is shocking to me.

    I guess when I was pining for Melky all year long I was just wasting my breath.

  52. Yankee Trader October 14th, 2012 at 8:35 am

    This offense needs a near total rehaul in personnel and approach in the offseason, but really, realistically, they don’t have the pieces to trade to land a bat like a Giancarlo Stanton, or even a Justin Upton.

    They are not spending the money to bring in Josh Hamilton. ARod is not retiring, because he’d be giving up 27.5M plus 6M when he passes Mays next season.

    The only valuable piece they have that could bring in a major league young stud position player is by picking up Cano’s option and listening to other teams interest in trading for him.

  53. MTU October 14th, 2012 at 8:35 am

    Tonight is now a must win game.

  54. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 8:36 am

    The tigers have the worst defense in the playoffs & one of the worst in the majors and the Yankees cant take advantage because half the lineup fails to put the ball in play with authority. You hit the ball moderately hard against these guys and they will mess up.

  55. MTU October 14th, 2012 at 8:36 am


    Take a look at how the Cards O is constructed.

    The Yanks do not have to have a team full of Superstars.

    Just guys who know how to make contact and hit situationally.

  56. Bret The Hitman October 14th, 2012 at 8:37 am


    They don’t have trade resources but they can throw a bunch of OF’s out there and see what sticks. Bring back Ichiro. Sign BJ Upton. Sign Cabrera.

    Build a real OF and ship out the rest.

    Kevin Long should go with them.

  57. blake October 14th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    “It was NEVER a mental thing with Swisher or an issue of the stage being to big. The guy lacks the SKILL and APPROACH necessary to hit good pitching.”

    They haven’t faced dominant pitching….he changes his approach totally in the playoffs….loses any and all patience….

  58. Bret The Hitman October 14th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    That’s fine you like him blake. HE SUCKS.

  59. MTU October 14th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    You know what ?

    You guys are blaming this on a few guys.

    There is plaenty of blame to go around.

    About half the team can’t hit the broadside of barn with B52 right now.

    It’s really sad to watch, and super disappointing.

  60. Bret The Hitman October 14th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    It’s not like they’re facing journeyman starters, callups and soft middle relievers either.

  61. blake October 14th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    “They don’t have trade resources but they can throw a bunch of OF’s out there and see what sticks. Bring back Ichiro. Sign BJ Upton. Sign Cabrera.”

    I don think BJ would be a good contract….but at least he cn catch the ball and he’d give them a RH bat with power and and speed…..they should try hard for his brother

    And they should sign Melky bu they won’t

  62. Yankee Trader October 14th, 2012 at 8:42 am


    “Does Cano even have a pulse?”


    I have a theory of why Cano and ARod are not hitting now!

    Bret-you’re in the health field so hear me out.

    Sunflower seeds or wads of bubble gum. Did you ever notice how those two are chewing and spitting while trying to concentrate on hitting?

    Theory: You can’t masticate at the same time you try to concentrate! :)

  63. MTU October 14th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    I’ll catch u guys later.

    I’ve got to go walk the dogs.

  64. Bret The Hitman October 14th, 2012 at 8:42 am


    It’s because Cashman and the hitting coach buy into a flawed philosophy of hitting that preys upon sucky pitchers.

    The Cardinals whole entire hitting approach is different.

    If they brought back Melky he’d feel pressure to hit HR’s.

    Why is that?

    It’s the idiots at the top.

  65. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    The Cards with Freese, Holliday, Beltran, Molina, Craig, Jon Jay have a team that can actually hit & get on base & hit with some power.

    They have 5 guys who on based more than .360 this season (not even counting Kozma’s small sample contributions). Yankees 3. They have 6 guys with an OPS over .820, yankees 2. STL has 6 guys who hit over .270, Yankees 4.

    And spoiler alert, on those lists Swisher is one of the guys on 2 of the 3, and A-rod is one of the 4 on the avg list, so that tells you how boned the Yankees are.

    The Cards actually have a pretty dynamic offense, it would be even better if they had a DH and didnt have to suffer the pitcher hitting.

  66. JM October 14th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    I think I may be most disappointed in Cano. He’s their best hitter and he has totally disappeared so far in the playoffs.

  67. Yankee Trader October 14th, 2012 at 8:44 am


    You and I mentioned the Cards young players before. However the Yankees don’t have the pieces to get Jay, Craig, or especially David Freese.

  68. Bret The Hitman October 14th, 2012 at 8:44 am


    I know you like his brother but the Yankees don’t have the resources to acquire him. BJ Upton had a better year last year as well but you want to weaken the farm instead for perhaps a lesser player?

  69. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    Upton doesnt get on base. He would just be more of the same approach that is dooming them now.

  70. Bret The Hitman October 14th, 2012 at 8:48 am

    If that’s the only move you made then of course it’s no solution. The ENTIRE OF needs to be gutted. Once again, the WHOLE ENTIRE OF needs to be gutted. I’m not going tit for tat.

  71. Bret The Hitman October 14th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    And Alex Rodriguez needs to DH next year and the team needs to get a real 3B. Talk to the Nationals.

  72. Yankee Trader October 14th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    The Cardinals, given the benefit of being the 2nd WC have a good chance of playing in the WS, getting homefield advantage and beating the Tigers.

    I’m already pessimistic that the Yankees will be down 0-2 after today’s game.

    Kuroda might pitch a shutout, but seeing as the Yankees offense has NEVER given him any run support the entire season, he won’t get a win!

    BTW-I believe the Dodgers will be key players for Kuroda in the offseason, if he decides to play another year.

  73. Villa Nova-Ya October 14th, 2012 at 8:50 am

    Well they hit the ball hard twice with the bases loaded and Detroit’s defense didn’t get in their way.

    Two close calls that could have gone in their favor after those two solidly hit balls with the bases loaded did not go their way.

    So sometimes stuff happens.

    The rest of it? They needed something to happen in the 6th. That was their worst inning.

    And you can’t trade the entire team away or even talk about trading Cano.

    An awful start to the series; a crushing blow losing Derek.

    Six games left and no reason really they can’t turn it around.

  74. blake October 14th, 2012 at 8:50 am

    I know you like his brother but the Yankees don’t have the resources to acquire him. BJ Upton had a better year last year as well but you want to weaken the farm instead for perhaps a lesser player?”

    He’s not a lesser player….he’s younger, cheaper, and way more talented

    The guy they probably should go after if he’s available is Headley though

  75. MG October 14th, 2012 at 8:51 am

    It is impossible for a true Yankees fan to feel good about either last night’s game or the rest of the playoffs.

    Jeter is the heart and soul of this team, if he injury wakes some of the others up that would be great but I’m not expecting it.

    I’ve watched every playoff game and it’s ceased being enjoyable.

    I’ll be watching the Giants’49ers today with quick flips to the Yankees game during game breaks.

    No more predictions, no more analysis, it’s not worth the effort.

    Swisher, Arod, and Granderson have been just awful in the postseason but how Robby Cano can be 2-28 (or whatever it is) when he’s put the ball in play most of the time is baffling.

    They can still win it all, it really wouldn’t take much more than the 4 guys above hitting .250 collectively the rest of the way as long as the pitching remains the same.

    The Yankees need to make changes in the offseason offensively, since there is nothing I can do about those changes I will wait and see what happens.

    Watching Austin Jackson play they obviously made a bad trade when they sent him away for Granderson, they should look at that result and the Montero trade so far and really think twice about trading away their best position prospects in the future.

  76. LGY October 14th, 2012 at 8:53 am

    Swisher lost a low sinking low drive in the lights? :???:

  77. Bring in the Goose October 14th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    MTU says:
    October 14, 2012 at 8:35 am
    Tonight is now a must win game.


    The hangover will be a short one.

    Game starts at 4.

  78. Yankee Trader October 14th, 2012 at 8:59 am


    I couldn’t have said it any better myself.

    Maybe Cano is not getting hits when he puts the ball in play is the shift on him is eating up most of his ground balls. I can’t remember Cano hitting a grounder to the left side, except for the one time he bunted for a hit against the shift, and I believe that was in one of the last games of the regular season.

  79. blake October 14th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    “Watching Austin Jackson play they obviously made a bad trade when they sent him away for Granderson, they should look at that result and the Montero trade so far and really think twice about trading away their best position prospects in the future.”

    It’s painful to watch no doubt

  80. LGY October 14th, 2012 at 9:01 am

    The Yankees terrible offense basically killed Jeter.

    No way his ankle finally dies without all these unnecessarily long games because they can’t score

  81. Bronx Jeers October 14th, 2012 at 9:02 am

    Every time Granderson K’s we should enjoy it.

    He’s shattering the Yankee record book folks.

  82. Yankee Trader October 14th, 2012 at 9:04 am


    I know you are basically kidding. Unfortunately he fractured his good ankle.

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  84. BIG AL October 14th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    The loss of last nights game pales in comparision to the loss of Jeter, the heart and soul of the NYY.

    At this point in time this team does not deserve to advance.

    I feel bad for A-Rod, since Girardi has pulled him in favor of the non hitting Chavez, while leaving Cano in the 3 slot, and his performance at the plate is worse than that of A-Rod.

    This is the line-up I’d put on the field today:

    Ichiro – RF
    Nunez – SS
    Tex – 1B
    Ibanez – DH
    A-Rod 3B
    Cano – 2B
    Martin – C
    Granderson – CF
    Gardner – LF

  85. blake October 14th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    Hey JF….you heard anything else about that Japananese kid that throws 100 mph that the Yankees won sign because he will cost too much?

  86. BIG AL October 14th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    This off season there needs to be major changes to this team.

    Jeter should be the only untouchable – period!

    Swisher needs to go, Granderson needs to go, Cano needs to be traded for max returns, and the team must get younger.

    Had Dickerson been on the roster, I’d not play Swisher for the remainder of this PS, and he never wear a Yankee uniform again!

  87. Cashmoney October 14th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    this might seem an absurd idea, but who is giving Swisher mulit year deal that’s with avv of 13 per. or let me phrase this way, with a qualifying offer, is there a possibility that Swisher might be back?

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