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Second-base umpire: “The call was incorrect”

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Second-base umpire Jeff Nelson admitted that his eighth-inning call was incorrect.

“The hand did not get in before the tag,” he said. “The call was incorrect. … I had the tag late and the hand going into the bag before the tag on the chest.”

Yankees manager Joe Girardi spent much of his postgame press conference arguing for instant replay, saying that his team’s chances of scoring a run in the last two innings would have changed significantly if it were a one-run game instead of a three-run game.

“We’re looking into (additional replay),” MLB vice president of baseball operations Joe Torre said. “We’re not saying it can happen, but right now we haven’t really come to any conclusion on what’s the best way to go about it and not make the game drag and go longer than they are going already.”

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226 Responses to “Second-base umpire: “The call was incorrect””

  1. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    Oh look the Cards hitting a 2 run HR in the 2nd inning off a Giants starting pitcher, who is probably better than anyone we’ll face in our series sweep outside of Verlander.

  2. j9d October 14th, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    Forget the replay. We have great pitching for next year. Let’s field a team that gives us a chance offensively. Big changes next year.

  3. Nick in SF October 14th, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    Yankees: martyrs for progress.

  4. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 14th, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    Jerkface, perfect. I didn’t even thing about mlb.tv. It was definitely after the 7th because it was after that disastrous call. Sager read a statement and I only caught the end of it but he said something like “Of course it has to be approved by MLB and the umpires’ union.” The statement was about putting in instant replay and having it done before spring training.
    And it was a strident statement referencing the terrible calls in the game. The hell of it is that I can’t find out whom it was he was quoting! I was hoping it was weak eyes selig but when it said it had to be approved by MLB, that threw that out.

    I will check out the archive of the game and let you know whatever I find out. Safe trip home.

  5. Mike in Harrisburg October 14th, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    It’s a total logical fallacy/copout to say instant replay will make games unacceptably lengthy. The fans of the team who benefit from any given replay won’t mind the delay and as long as it’s applied consistently, it’ll be a wash over the long term, as every team will benefit roughly the same.

  6. Nick in SF October 14th, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    I guess the idea now is to be talking about blown calls and rules changes and not what the Yankees did and didn’t do to lose the game.

  7. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 14th, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/wp-.....00d563.jpg

    I am so p*ssed off I could do some serious crying. Nice that he admitted he got it wrong.
    Did he go on further to talk about the damage the call did?

    There is nothing but for the Yankees to come back and exact revenge. I’m not conceding jack sh*t until I am forced to. As far as I’m concerned, march in and get this back to the Stadium.

    Check you all out later.

  8. j9d October 14th, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    Nick, I agree with what I think you are saying. This is nonsense talking about the need for replay. I mean, time and place people. So we should
    all walk away from this season feeling good that we advanced the replay argument? Let’s just build a better team next year.

  9. Laura - I Bleed Blue October 14th, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    At this point, I’m worried that Verlander may throw a perfect game against them. That’s how bad the Yankees hitters look.

  10. Dj October 14th, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    I feel so much better now that he admitted he made a mistake… GRRR!!! :(

  11. Barry October 14th, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    Obviously Jeff Nelson is trying to be a right guy. W go on from here. This may not be The Year but we try on the field, in the stands and here on the blog with dignity. Lohud is all that can be controlled. Some previous posts, admittedly troll-like if not the real mccoy, were enough to drive decent people away. Really unfortunate.

  12. Mordot11 October 14th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    Call was wrong, but the Yanks have scored in 1 inning out of 21 so far this series. That’s the real issue.

  13. Laura - I Bleed Blue October 14th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    I do believe that some form of instant replay is needed, but that’s not why the Yankees are losing these games. They are losing because their offense stinks. Pure and simple.

  14. RhapsodyInBlue October 14th, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    Trisha I like your determination. And you are right, remember what Yogi said.

  15. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    The yankees wasting historically good starting pitching is the crummiest part of this atrocious ALCS.

  16. RhapsodyInBlue October 14th, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    And they do need instant replay.

  17. Chambliss October 14th, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    Bryan Hoch tweeted that several Yankees looking forward to changes of scenery next year. Good riddance. Give me a team with guys who play hard and smart over this group of homer happy stubborn guys anyday. Flawed as it is, this Yankee team could have won it all with their pitching, but stubborn guys like Tex, Swisher and Granderson won’t let it happen. They simply refuse to cut down on their swings and go for base hits instead of homers.

    I would love to see Gardner and Nunez start on Tuesday. Sit swisher and Granderson. Play Ibanez in left, Ichiro in right and Gardner in center.

    Complaining about the umps is fine. They deserve it. But the blame is with the lineup. What the hell happened to Cano? He was hitting .600 for over a week. He got homer happy to, and now he tried to pull everything. They pitch him outside and he rolls grounders to first and second. We have seen him hit the other way before, with power to boot. i don’t get it.

    In the irony of ironies, they will probably hit Verlander on Tuesday. Would not surprise me at all. Perhaps they will be a little humble at the plate and try for base hits instead of bombs.

  18. Nick in SF October 14th, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    j9d, you’ve got it exactly right. Some team is going to finish the season with champagne and a parade. Then fix the rules.

    If Cano — best all-around 2nd baseman in the game, I think — keeps his grip on the ball and completes a DP, the score might still be tied as we go into the 14th inning. Who the heck knows. He could also try getting a hit or two, as could some of this teammates. Swisher could catch the ball. That would help too. The final score was 3-0 — that has been confirmed by replay already.

  19. Bronx Jeers October 14th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    Baseball cliche # 74

    ” They’ll only go as far as the starting pitching brings them”

    You can throw that one out the window.

  20. ctyankeefan. October 14th, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    Chambliss, pretty sure he means change of scenery as in going to Detroit right now. Not for next year. Also all those saying Cano is just worrying about his contract next year, he is already under contract next year because of his option.

  21. MaxyC October 14th, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    The umps blew some of the calls because they just wanted to hasten the Yanks inevitable loss and just go home early.

  22. tomygun14 October 14th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    Trisha – he was quoting Selig. Bud had an interview with a paper in California and that is when he said they will have it by next year. They need to make sure that every stadium has the same equipment before they expand it further.

  23. fantasygame101 October 14th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    blown call did not results in a run. but logan and joba ineffectiveness did. Plus one run is enough for this team to loss anyway. With the massive outfield in detroit, pls use gardner instead of swisher.

  24. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    They need to make sure that every stadium has the same equipment before they expand it further.

    It must be so hard for a giant, billion dollar operation to buy some TVs & AV wires.

  25. Carlo October 14th, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    Keep focusing on the umpiring and replay. Its the difference in this series, for sure. The 0 runs we scored today, the fact that we’ve scored in 1 inning of two games, and the fact that our guys can’t even make contact, is not at all the issue, its the umpiring and instant replay or lack thereof.

  26. longtimefan October 14th, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    Never mind whining about missed calls, Girardi should be more concerned with the pathetic hitters

  27. austinmac October 14th, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    I hope the team management sees the issues, and don’t blame injuries, bad calls, small sample sizes blah, blah. For goodness sakes, fix the offense.

  28. austinmac October 14th, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    We know Swisher is gone. Who else, according to Swisher, wants a change of scenery? I hope it’s not Kuroda.

  29. Ken Phelps October 14th, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    Bad horrible call… Worse offense… The Focus should be on the historic lack of offense… Not bad umpiring .. The bad call allows the focus to get off “hitters” like Granderson, cano, swishers… Etc

  30. j9d October 14th, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    Nick well said. I have been a supporter of Girardi but am really surprised at his reaction to the loss tonight. I mean, after the last 7 games of anemic offensive play he is going after replay?? That was kind of shocking. Yankees really need to shake up this organization, non-pitching players but, for the first time, I’m thinking management too…maybe…I don’t know
    about the latter but could not believe my ears tonight.

  31. bruceb October 14th, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    A lot of angst on here tonight, including from me. Angry, disappointed, frustrated. Yes, I’m all three. But we have to be careful what we wish for. Don’t resign Swisher. Trade Granderson and Cano. Make ARod a platoon player. Remember, these players got us to the ALCS. Their replacements may not be able to achieve that.

  32. Captain Clutch October 14th, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    Cashman has to address the offense in the off season. He has been ignoring it for too many years. In ’09 the Yanks lost 2 great offensive players and they have never been replaced. Cashman is in his own world always talking about how good the offense is. It used to be the best part of the team but not anymore. The 1st order of business is getting rid of Swisher and Granderson.

  33. Bronx Jeers October 14th, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    Send MLB your old coaxial cables! That’s a great idea.

  34. longtimefan October 14th, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    Maybe the team should watch film of M. Cabrera getting hits by taking the ball the other way rather than swinging for the fences

  35. blake October 14th, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    Just finished watching the game…..what an effort by Kuroda….he was fantastic on short rest….what a gutsy performance…. Should have given up one run and maybe would have went down in Yankee history as a legendary start…..

    But he was perfect and that’s what they have to have with this offense….they need 4 Don Larsen performances because honestly I think they could have played 20 innings tonight and may not have scored single run unless Ibanez hit one out

    The call at 2B was horrific….it didn’t change a thing with the outcome….only mean they lost. 3-0 instead of 1-0.

    Can’t say enough about Kuroda though….

  36. blake October 14th, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    The Yankees can work a miracle and win tomorrow then it totally changes the momentum and they’ll have a chance to pull even with CC goin in game 4…..however if Verlander dominates as he most likely will then its over and they might be swept……

  37. yankeebc October 14th, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    Was it only a dream or do I remember a time when Granderson was hitting left-handers with authority and had cut down mightily on his strikeouts?

  38. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 14th, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    This is the end, my only friend the end…….

  39. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    Verlander against an offense that looks as bad as this one is such a mismatch that I think the dial has gone past ‘likely immaculate game 27 K’s 3 pitches each’ and swung around to ‘obvious trap game, Yankees win score 8+ runs’

    but that will only happen if Cano can figure out which end of the bat to hold & one of granderson,swisher,a-rod actually hit a HR with men on base

  40. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 14th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    Granderson and Swishalicious are history for 2013. The curse of Coke and Ajax has begun.

  41. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 14th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    To the mental midgets on this forum. I asked a question back in the game thread that nobody deemed worthy to answer. If you’ve been around this forum for more than say the last two weeks you couldn’t have missed my complete rage about umpiring. I asked again who Sager was quoting. If anybody had answered the question I would not have had to reference it 5 times.

    By the way, Laura, you have NO idea wheter or not the team would have won without that blown call. They came back a few times already. Down 1-0. Who knows. But that isn’t even the point here. I’m talking about something for the future and it’s extremely meaningful to me because I’m really into fair play. I know others could give a crap less. I’m not demanding that they talk about it.

    So get the story straight here gang. I’ll talk about whatever the heck I want to talk about, whenever the heck I want to talk about it. I don’t need your permission to discuss something important to me. But over and above that, don’t dare tell me what my purpose is. I’m not a games player. I said I wanted to know who the statement came from and that’s exactly what I meant.

    Thanks jerkface for being interested in fairness.

    Now continue to pretend you know what I’m attempting to do.

    I’ll check for more incorrect interpretations later.

    *****************

    GO YANKS!!! TURN THIS AROUND!

  42. MaxyC October 14th, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    Verlander will cut through this line up like a hot butter through knife on Tuesday.

  43. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 14th, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    “Trisha – he was quoting Selig. Bud had an interview with a paper in California and that is when he said they will have it by next year. They need to make sure that every stadium has the same equipment before they expand it further.”

    THANK YOU SO MUCH. It’s exactly what I wanted to know. God bless you for answering.

  44. MaxyC October 14th, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    The Tigers could throw out a guy like Bruce Chen on Tuesday, and the Yankees would still lose by shutout.

  45. j9d October 14th, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    bruceb your comment summarizes the problem. Who are the replacements for the players we are frustrated with? I mean, how do you really go about changing the offense? That is a tough one. Any ideas out there?

  46. blake October 14th, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    Cano needed to step up and carry this offense….he hasn’t and they can’t score

  47. Frozen Rope II October 14th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    http://bombersbeat.mlblogs.com.....creatures/

  48. blake October 14th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    austinmac says:
    October 14, 2012 at 9:08 pm
    We know Swisher is gone. Who else, according to Swisher, wants a change of scenery? I hope it’s not Kuroda.

    They need to do what it takes to bring back Kuroda and Andy and then rebuild the offense as well as possible.

  49. JM October 14th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    yes you can let Swisher walk and try to trade Granderson but you have to replace their offense. they have been historically bad this postseason but the Yankees don’t get to the postseason without them. the question is, who do they get to replace them and how does it fit into the budget?

  50. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 14th, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    It would be better for the Tigers to eliminate them fast since the writing is on the wall. Big change for 2013. All it takes is a true impact player or two for 2013 to add to Jeter, Ichiro, Gardener, Cano, Aroid, Tex, Nunie to go places assuming the pitching stays the same.

  51. Bronx Jeers October 14th, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    Mental midget? I didn’t even know the answer!

    Don’t make me shun the board like Swish shunned the fans!

  52. NYY_Girl_Penny October 14th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    Carlo October 14th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
    Penny – the best one I heard last night was when the guy in front of me, following my lead of berating swisher all night, yelled “that jeter injury is on you, bro”.

    —–

    wow, that stings ! harsh !

  53. Nick in SF October 14th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    Trisha, you should remember that you always lose the argument when you lose your cool. That’s something even mental midgets figure out eventually.

  54. Carlo October 14th, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    Tricia – were u on a rampage about “fairness” in the 09 alds or the 1996 baltimore series?

  55. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 14th, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    I forgot Martin, our catcher, I guess he can stay for another year.

  56. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 14th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    How can the NYY have the best AL league record and yet fall apart like a peed on NY Times newspaper?

  57. EliasInNH October 14th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    As bad as it looks being down 0-2 and headed on the road to see Verlander, stranger things have happened. I’m certainly not denying that it doesn’t look good. Our offense has looked terrible and we no longer have Jeter, the umpiring has been bad, the lights are too bright for Swisher, etc…but all it takes is one game and maybe our luck turns around.

    Who would have thought after beating Boston 19-8 in Game 3 of the ’04 ALCS that they’d come back to win four in a row? Anyone? I was sitting in Fenway Park for Games 4 and 5 and you’d have thought a very important figure was assassinated. It was that quiet.

    But that team stepped it up, rallied around the cause, and ended up completely turning it around. We can, too. And it will start with a steal of a win and a gritty performance by Hughes on Tuesday.

  58. NYY_Girl_Penny October 14th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 14th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
    To the mental midgets on this forum. I asked a question back in the game thread that nobody deemed worthy to answer. If you’ve been around this forum for more than say the last two weeks you couldn’t have missed my complete rage about umpiring. I asked again who Sager was quoting. If anybody had answered the question I would not have had to reference it 5 times.

    By the way, Laura, you have NO idea wheter or not the team would have won without that blown call. They came back a few times already. Down 1-0. Who knows. But that isn’t even the point here. I’m talking about something for the future and it’s extremely meaningful to me because I’m really into fair play. I know others could give a crap less. I’m not demanding that they talk about it.

    So get the story straight here gang. I’ll talk about whatever the heck I want to talk about, whenever the heck I want to talk about it. I don’t need your permission to discuss something important to me. But over and above that, don’t dare tell me what my purpose is. I’m not a games player. I said I wanted to know who the statement came from and that’s exactly what I meant.

    Thanks jerkface for being interested in fairness.

    Now continue to pretend you know what I’m attempting to do.

    I’ll check for more incorrect interpretations later.

    ———–

    I don’t think calling every body here a ‘mental midget’ that don’t post what you want them to post, and then say, “you’ll post whatever you want and how date they tell you what to post” isn’t hypocritical.. nope, for sure not. No offense Trisha but name calling, really ? You’re also one of the worst offenders trying to dictate what people are allowed to post or not here.. talk about the pot calling the kettle .. yadda yadda yadda.

    but what is really comical is you choose to focus on the ump being at fault and ignore the fact that the team can’t hit at all.. talk about that name you just called every body else. Keep on truckin’ kiddo..

  59. blake October 14th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    Cashman is gonna have to make some bold moves this winter to retool the offense…. It’s hard to say exactly what he should do without knowing who is available….what the prices are….and how much money Hal will let him spend.

  60. blake October 14th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    If by some miracle they can beat Verlander Tuesday then the momentum swings and they have a chance……but its really tough to see them scoring enough to do it…..but you can’t figure baseball Suzyn so maybe a freak thing will occur

  61. Carlo October 14th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    I am far more excited about the offseason than I am these next 2 games.

  62. Captain Clutch October 14th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    I am glad that Cashman didn’t want to sign Beltran. What a stupid, stupid decisioon.

  63. blake October 14th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Captain Clutch says:
    October 14, 2012 at 9:31 pm
    I am glad that Cashman didn’t want to sign Beltran. What a stupid, stupid decisioon.

    We didn’t need him… That was the story

  64. Jeremy October 14th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    bruceb
    Yeah but those guys getting worse not better. If you keep them the Yankees will only get worse. In the long run it will be better for the yankees to clean house.

  65. Phranchise October 14th, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    If Beltran were here no Ibanez and probably no Ichiro. Would he make any difference in this series?

  66. blake October 14th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    I remember when everyone told me that we didn’t need Beltran because “where would he play ” and because ” he’s so injury prone” ……not so much

  67. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    Beltran would have been an excellent stop gap while the minor league outfielders continue ripening to bust. Beltran > Jones/Ibanez

  68. Nick in SF October 14th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    Can Brett Gardner swing a bat or not?

    Because if he can, how about putting him in the outfield and lineup and giving Swisher a change of scenery a little ahead of schedule?

  69. Carlo October 14th, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    I can only imagine the decline in ticket sales next year. What a disaster. They are seriously in a lot of trouble judging by the outpouring of support this postseason.

  70. blake October 14th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    Can Brett Gardner swing a bat or not?

    Because if he can, how about putting him in the outfield and lineup and giving Swisher a change of scenery a little ahead of schedule?

    Here here

  71. RonC October 14th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    If this isn’t the lineup Tuesday I’ll go nuts…

    Gardner – LF
    Ichiro – RF
    Tex – 1B
    Ibanez – LF
    Nix – SS
    Martin – C
    Cano – 2B
    Alex/Nunez – DH
    Chavez – 3B

  72. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    If Beltran were here no Ibanez and probably no Ichiro. Would he make any difference in this series?

    Well you’re talking about an alternate time line. Beltran was way better than either player in the regular season and uh he is OPSing over 1 in the postseason with like 4 HRs, so yea the team would be better with him batting 3rd/4th. His OBP is like over 500 its insane

    And of course acquiring Beltran means the season doesn’t happen the way it does, so different moves will be made. Maybe even a different trade. Gardner still gets hurt so the team will have made a move for a DH or maybe even Ichiro anyways to push Swisher to DH.

  73. bruceb October 14th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Cards don’t have the talent the Yanks have – on paper at least – but they have two things we are sorely missing right now. Belief and confidence.

  74. Captain Clutch October 14th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Beltran plays RF every day for an NL team. Obviously he wasn’t just a DH like Cashman made it seem. Twice he tried to come to the Yanks for a discount and Cash said no. Even on 1 leg he is a better outfielder than Swisher. Fail.

  75. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    If your rebuttal to a player acquisition discussion starts from the premise of ‘everything will happen/be the same except for this specific plate appearance/game’ then you should rethink your statement.

  76. blake October 14th, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    I dont think losing in the ALCS would push Hal to do anything…..the empty seats might would though…..

  77. Chambliss October 14th, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Anything is possible, but if the Yankee hitters do not change their approach at the plate, they have no chance of coming back in this series. Swinging for the fence is a poor strategy against good pitching, and it is almost certain to fail with two strikes. Aside from Jeter and Ichiro, how many guys have gone up there and had tough at bats by fouling off a bunch of pitches? The answer is very few.

    I am trying to stay positive, but this team is making it difficult. Sanchez left a number of pitches up and right over the plate today, and the Yankees made him look like Bob Gibson.

  78. Phranchise October 14th, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Beltran would have added what value exactly? They got to the ALCS. So we think that the Beltran signing would have won the first two games for us?

  79. Jeremy October 14th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    People keep on saying this team can come back, How ?

    They can’t hit anybody. You can throw up the most pathetic pitcher in baseball and they wouldn’t be able to touch him. They are not the Yankees of the past and they are not a strong team like others who came back. They have incompetent players who are mentally weak.

  80. Against All Odds October 14th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    blake October 14th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    I remember when everyone told me that we didn’t need Beltran because “where would he play ” and because ” he’s so injury prone” ……not so much

    ————

    You also told us we needed offense this yr but clearly the offense is fine. :)

  81. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    beltran wanted to be a yankee, can you really ask for much more than that? He wanted to be a Yankee at the equivalent or cheaper price than he got from the Cards.

  82. Carlo October 14th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    The swisher quotes are just amazing. I love how he says this full well knowing he played his last game at yankee stadium.

  83. ctyankeefan. October 14th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    IF they play that lineup Tuesday Ill go nuts. Itd be tough to have 2 left fielders and try to get that lineup to not hit into CF lol

  84. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    Beltran would have added what value exactly? They got to the ALCS. So we think that the Beltran signing would have won the first two games for us?

    You’re right, a guy OPSing 1.2 in the postseason, who hit better than our DH combo in the regular season would not have added value such as allowing the Yankees to clinch early, supplying a different route for the Yankees @ the trade deadline, or allowing the Yankees to win postseason series / not look like trash at the plate against mediocre pitchers.

    Also keep in mind Beltran would be on the team next year, replacing Swisher. Instead the options to replace Swisher are not good.

  85. Against All Odds October 14th, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    Beltran is one of the biggest post season performers in baseball history. Whose to say we don’t bear BAL in 3 or 4 games.

  86. Phranchise October 14th, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    And Swisher’s change of sceneray comment was about maybe getting away from the Bronx to Detroit might get some of the booing out of their heads. It certainly isn’t helping them hit any better.

    And losing doesn’t push Hal to do anything but it puts the nail in the coffin for Swisher and Grandy pretty much. No mega deal for Grandy and Swisher has no shot at signing here for anything close to what he’ll get elsewhere.

  87. NYY_Girl_Penny October 14th, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    bruceb October 14th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
    Cards don’t have the talent the Yanks have – on paper at least – but they have two things we are sorely missing right now. Belief and confidence.

    —-

    are you talking about paper talent form three years ago ? surely you’re not meaning our .250 and under hitters and .150 RISP hitters.

  88. blake October 14th, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    “You also told us we needed offense this yr but clearly the offense is fine. ”

    Several of us have been talking about the offense for 2 or 3 years now…..they didn’t listen …pitching holds the keys

  89. Jeremy October 14th, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    bruceb
    You are missing the key thing. The Cardinal hitter can hit for average, hit with RISP, and they are good with situational hitting. The Yankees are the most pathetic team in baseball in that regard. Confidence is one thing but ability is another.

  90. paulv October 14th, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    True – yes. Bad call – yet. And Torre? I got sick of him a long time ago, when it was clear to everyone that he couldn’t sitting there on that bench, just being Joe Torre. No wonder the games seem too long to him. Same with Bud Selig. Based on all of his brilliant moves the past few years, it should be crystal clear to all that, surprise – Bud Selig doesn’t really enjoy baseball. You know what? If they had replay, do it like football. If you lose a contested call, subtract an at-bat. Then, it won’t be abused. Not that I have a problem with a game being too long – ever. It’s baseball, NOT football or basketball.

    All that being said, even if the call had gone for us, we still did not deserve to win. This team left a gazillion men on base all year. You cannot win a playoff series strictly on home runs. Just look at the batting averages from half of the batting order for the past 7 games and you’ll see that we did not deserve to win, horrible call or not.

  91. Nick in SF October 14th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    Jerkface, I want to start an alternate timeline in which you go to Muji and buy me some of those pens. I’ll settle for 10 of them, though you know I want 20. Don’t make me wait for Muji to open a San Francisco store, because that’s too far in the future of the current timeline.

  92. paulv October 14th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    Sorry for my rapid typing, typos and omitted words. I was worked up. Please forgive me or, better yet. give me a replay…

  93. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    bruceb October 14th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
    Cards don’t have the talent the Yanks have – on paper at least – but they have two things we are sorely missing right now. Belief and confidence.

    BS they don’t. Now you may mean like physical talent, or something nebulous like that, but in terms of actual performance they are better than the Yankees. Their only weakness is no DH.

    I posted this last night:

    The Cards with Freese, Holliday, Beltran, Molina, Craig, Jon Jay have a team that can actually hit & get on base & hit with some power.

    They have 5 guys who on based more than .360 this season (not even counting Kozma’s small sample contributions). Yankees 3. They have 6 guys with an OPS over .820, yankees 2. STL has 6 guys who hit over .270, Yankees 4.

    And spoiler alert, on those lists Swisher is one of the guys on 2 of the 3, and A-rod is one of the 4 on the avg list, so that tells you how boned the Yankees are.

    The Cards actually have a pretty dynamic offense, it would be even better if they had a DH and didnt have to suffer the pitcher hitting.

  94. Nick in SF October 14th, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    Maybe Michael Kay would’ve finally tried ketchup if they’d signed Beltran. #ButterflyEffect

  95. Against All Odds October 14th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    Beat not bear

  96. RonC October 14th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    If this isn’t the lineup Tuesday I’ll go nuts…

    This would be my lineup today. Let’s see if Girardi has the guts to bench both Granderson and Swisher the butcher.

    Gardner – LF
    Ichiro – RF
    Tex – 1B
    Ibanez – LF
    Nix – SS
    Martin – C
    Cano – 2B
    Alex/Nunez – DH
    Chavez – 3B

  97. Carlo October 14th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    Here Nick, order away, this internet age is truly wonderful.

    http://shop.mobileweb.ebay.com.....ji+pen+.38

  98. NYY_Girl_Penny October 14th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    http://bombersbeat.mlblogs.com.....creatures/

  99. Tidrow October 14th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    “Who would have thought after beating Boston 19-8 in Game 3 of the ’04 ALCS that they’d come back to win four in a row? Anyone? I was sitting in Fenway Park for Games 4 and 5 and you’d have thought a very important figure was assassinated. It was that quiet.

    But that team stepped it up, rallied around the cause, and ended up completely turning it around. We can, too. And it will start with a steal of a win and a gritty performance by Hughes on Tuesday.” …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….That team had Ortiz and Manny in their prime; guys known to step it up in big games and Pedro and Schilling Two dominant pitchers who also shone in the post season. This team is full of players who historically have been brutally bad in post season. You never know what can happen in sports but this edition of the Yankees really doesn’t inspire confidence in its ability to play under pressure.

  100. Captain Clutch October 14th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Beltran is an all around good hitter. He isn’t just a homerun hitter. Totally different than the likes of Swisher, Granderson and Martin just trying to hit homeruns. The approach has been absolutely terrible this post season.

  101. Phranchise October 14th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Same issues we have had with the way the team is constructed. Teams don’t hit a ton of homers in the postseason against good pitching, this team depends on the long ball. And they no longer have enough tough outs, guys that can stay alive and put the ball in play. Lineup top to bottom is full of strikeouts and .250 hitters.

  102. NYY_Girl_Penny October 14th, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    Swisher says,

    (see link above)

    Given that, is it a good thing to go to Detroit?: “Maybe, man. I’ve been so fortunate to be here and play every day. When things kind of turn like that, it kind of hurts a little bit. This is the type of city and crowd that really rallies around their team. That’s the reason we’ve got 27 championships. To go through a stretch like this where it’s kind of a negative attitude, a negative type setting, that’s tough. But hey, that’s part of the game. Rightfully so. There are a lot of expectations here and I guess when you don’t get the job done, you’re going to hear about it.”

    Did you scale back interaction with the Creatures?: “Last night was pretty big. A lot of people saying a lot of things that I’ve never heard before. Prime example; I missed that ball in the lights and the next thing you know, I’m the reason that Jeter got hurt. It’s kind of frustrating. They were saying it was my fault.”

  103. Bronx Jeers October 14th, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    They have Muji in NY. My wife just bought some aroma diffuser thing.

    Can’t you get em online?

  104. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    Jerkface, I want to start an alternate timeline in which you go to Muji and buy me some of those pens. I’ll settle for 10 of them, though you know I want 20. Don’t make me wait for Muji to open a San Francisco store, because that’s too far in the future of the current timeline.

    There are no Muji’s in my city, according to google.

  105. bruceb October 14th, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    Swinging for the fence is a poor strategy against good pitching.

    Yes, but they’ve been winning with exactly that strategy all season. That’s why they can’t change now.

    You are missing the key thing. The Cardinal hitter can hit for average, hit with RISP, and they are good with situational hitting.

    Cashman and Girardi accepted many moons ago that this was a “home run-hitting team.” It won us the AL East but it doesn’t work in October when the air is heavy and the pitching good. With the notable exception of Derek Jeter – and to a lesser extent Ichiro – we don’t have players who get on base.

  106. Captain Clutch October 14th, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    Go Giants!! At least they are making this game competitive now. This stadium is just as loud as yankee stadium…yeah right.

  107. NYY_Girl_Penny October 14th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Man that little kid P. must have been a genius he saw this offense for what it really is years before anyone else here did. Yankee’s should hire him for sure !

  108. Jeremy October 14th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    The Cardinals lineup has greater similarity to the old Yankee lineups. Solid hitters who didn’t try to do too much and they weren’t overpaid babies like the hitters we have in our lineup.

  109. Nick in SF October 14th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Carlo, thank you, but only one of those was the correct color and they cost $3.20 each when the true cost is probably 75 cents each. But if looking that up calmed you down a little, then it was worth it. It’s been worth it for me for sure.

  110. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    . Teams don’t hit a ton of homers in the postseason against good pitching, this team depends on the long ball.

    This isn’t really true. The rate of HRs stays pretty constant in the postseason. It is a myth that you need small ball or whatever to win in the postseason. HRs can work fine. THe problem is not the Yankees hitting HRs, it is that they are not good hitters outside of their ability to hit a HR.

    They dont get on base and dont hit for a high average and a lot of them strike out like crazy. That is an unhealthy combination against any pitcher, not just postseason ones.

  111. bruceb October 14th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    Wow. Giants are doing a Cardinals…on the Cardinals. Nice to see some offense – and feel some atmosphere – after today’s funeral dirge in the Bronx.

  112. Carlo October 14th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    It helped me, not greatly, but it helped. We actually have a muji store in NYC as well but I had no clue what it sold until today.

  113. Nick in SF October 14th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    All you people with your false idols of internet solutions!

    There is no better way to receive Muji pens than to have a person in Japan buy them and then send them via the mail — with the exception of me buying them myself, which I’ve done at Muji shops in London, Paris, and Taipei.

    Anyway, I feel a little better than I did at the end of the game, but that’s probably just because anger tends to subside over the course of time.

  114. Against All Odds October 14th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    blake October 14th, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    “You also told us we needed offense this yr but clearly the offense is fine. ”

    Several of us have been talking about the offense for 2 or 3 years now…..they didn’t listen …pitching holds the keys

    ————–

    They tried so hard to stretch out the declining offense. Did it not occur to them that ish would hit the fan sooner not later. And then when they get called on it they make it seem like the fans/media are stirring things up for no reason.

  115. Jeremy October 14th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    bruceb
    The strategy will never work. Doing the same thing that doesn’t work is the definition of insanity.

  116. austinmac October 14th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    They didn’t sign Beltran, Cespedes, Soler or add at the TD for one reason. Money. This off season, I fear, will be even more disappointing than the last two years. No real additions, with only cosmetic additions.

  117. Captain Clutch October 14th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    So this is what a loud stadium sounds like….

  118. RonC October 14th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    * obviously, Gardner in CF, not LF with Ibanez. Heh. Sorry for making the same typo twice.

  119. ctyankeefan. October 14th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    Jeremy, it actually goes Repeating the same action and expecting different results is the definition of insanity, but Im actually also pretty sure that was Einstein’s definition and not the actual definition.

  120. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    High scoring LCS game, how are these hitters doing this? I thought the playoffs had a runs limit.

  121. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    Don’t these hitters know its the playoffs? Stop disrespecting the pitchers! :x

  122. Nick in SF October 14th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    The SF Giants fans are the only ones who haven’t yet seen their team win a game in person this postseason. Starved for entertainment.

  123. Tidrow October 14th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    Thing that worries me is that i think Home Run or nothing mentality is an organizational philosophy. If Yankees bring in new talent will that mentality and Kevin Long coaching transform them into all or nothing clones?

  124. Captain Clutch October 14th, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    Cashman has to find out what it would take to get Justin Upton. It will hurt but it might be the only move that helps the Yanks from having a rebuilding process. They need a good young right handed hitter to go along with Cano. If a big time free agent outfielder was available the Yanks wouldn’t spend $200m on them. So the only way to fix this is by trades.

  125. bruceb October 14th, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    What’s going on in San Fran? There seem to be people having fun at a baseball game, even though their team is losing. I’m jealous.

  126. ZMANINSJ October 14th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    Starters for Tuesday should be Chavez, Nix, Nunez, Tex on the infield. Ibanez, Gardner, and Ichiro in the outfield. Send a message to the overpaid bums. It’s not like they’d beat Verlander anyway.

  127. MaxyC October 14th, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    Ahhh… Is little Swisher baby hurt? I’m glad the creatures have been reaming him. Hopefully it will banish him for good to some basement dwelling team like the Astros.

  128. Nick in SF October 14th, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    Here you go, Jerkface;

    http://www.muji.com/storelocator/#/Japan

  129. JobaTipsHisCap October 14th, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    They will, and should be swept.

  130. JobaTipsHisCap October 14th, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    I wanna see STL repeat.

  131. joeman October 14th, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    off-season will be fun at least….lots of moves for sure & a lot of options to be taken care of one way or the other

  132. RadioKev October 14th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    Cano does nothing, once again. For the record, Cano has now topped Rodriguez’ stretch of misery in the 2006 playoffs. I think this is also his longest hitless streak of the year.

  133. MaxyC October 14th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    This Yankees team is primed to continue its dissolution into the late 80′s, early 90′s iterations, while they watch teams like the Orioles leap frog their way past them and into the top of the AL East.

  134. Against All Odds October 14th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    fear, will be even more disappointing than the last two years. No real additions, with only cosmetic additions

    ———–

    And if they do make a big move it probably means moving prospects from a farm that already isn’t deep.

  135. RadioKev October 14th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    It’s just really hard to imagine this offense breaking out suddenly. It could happen. It’s not impossible. Does anyone actually think it will happen?

    I’d still go with Nunez over Nix for upside sake.

  136. joeman October 14th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    MaxyC October 14th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
    This Yankees team is primed to continue its dissolution into the late 80?s, early 90?s iterations, while they watch teams like the Orioles leap frog their way past them and into the top of the AL Eas
    —————————————
    don’t think that will happen…they have to be real smart about the moves they make

  137. JobaTipsHisCap October 14th, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    No, they won’t break out.

  138. austinmac October 14th, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    Many of us have been decrying the lack of hitters who can hit for average. Beltran is the perfect example of a good hitter. Power, yes, but secondarily to simply hitting.

    Those who anticipate an interesting off season will be disappointed. Yes, their will be player losses, but no player additions of any expense will be added.

    Listen people. They are cutting 20-25% in payroll while their costly players drop off the cliff in production. This can’t end well.

  139. joeman October 14th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    RadioKev October 14th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
    It’s just really hard to imagine this offense breaking out suddenly. It could happen. It’s not impossible. Does anyone actually think it will happen?

    I’d still go with Nunez over Nix for upside sake
    ————————————————————————
    not going to change..is what it is…can’t score unless they hit HR’s

  140. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    None in my city, Nick, looks like you’ll have the pay the iron price for your pens.

  141. Jeremy October 14th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    captain clutch
    The days of the Yankees always getting a big time free agent are over. Too many teams are rising up and spending big money on their young talent and buying free agents on the market. Case in point : Angels. Tigers, etc.

    Even Cliff Lee didn’t want to come here (though Philly is in a Similar situation as the Yanks) and they offered the most. Cashman and Levine are being exposed more and more as there is greater parity in baseball.

  142. austinmac October 14th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    The Yankees are on Justin Upton’s no trade list so for him to approve a trade he would require renegotiation. Too expensive. Not happening under the current philosophy.

  143. Nick in SF October 14th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    Interesting doesn’t have to mean good. :neutral:

  144. MaxyC October 14th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    Anyone, and I say anyone, who thinks this team, as pathetic and confounded as they look at the plate, will suddenly wake up in one day and bomb Verlander, is quite frankly, insane.

  145. JobaTipsHisCap October 14th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    This NLCS game 1 is real baseball game.
    Yankees batters are embarrassing the sports right now.

  146. Nick in SF October 14th, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    Get yourself to a better prefecture, Jerkface.

  147. G. Love October 14th, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    Swisher can’t be gone soon enough.

    That’s all I have to say about today’s game.

    How this “team” beat Baltimore is astounding.

    Championship pitching & Ibanez. That’s all we have. Enjoy it.

    What a team.

  148. ZMANINSJ October 14th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    C’mon, Maxy, where’s that smile? It’s all going to change on Tuesday. Hughes beats Verlander as the Yankee bats come roaring back to life. Then we take the next 3 with our rejuvenated offense.

  149. MaxyC October 14th, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    Let some bottom feeding team pay Swisher Werth type money, just to keep him out of the playoffs for the remainder of his career.

  150. Jeremy October 14th, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    If some don’t believe the Yankees can’t hit rock bottom next year or 2014 with this roster then all you need to do is look at Boston this year. Yeah it could happen.

  151. RadioKev October 14th, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    Listen people. They are cutting 20-25% in payroll while their costly players drop off the cliff in production. This can’t end well.
    ——–

    They’re not cutting salary by 20%. They spent about $196m this year, and they need to get to $189m by 2014. They could get down to that by spending a mere $7m less next season, or 4% less. No point in making numbers up.

  152. Jeremy October 14th, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    sorry- can hit rock bottom.

  153. RadioKev October 14th, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    Jeremy October 14th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
    If some don’t believe the Yankees can’t hit rock bottom next year or 2014 with this roster then all you need to do is look at Boston this year. Yeah it could happen.
    ———-

    Not similar at all.

  154. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 14th, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    Can Tex come back to life? Amazing how his bat has fallen asleep.

  155. MaxyC October 14th, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    Oh Jeremy, I not only believe it, but the trajectory has been set in that direction, with their lack of farm system, aging superstars and underachievers – its the perfect storm for a three way fight for last place, between the Red Sox and Blue Jays, in the forseeable future.

  156. EliasInNH October 14th, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    Just listened to Girardi’s postgame interview. I agree with him 100%. He basically said that we need replay so they get it right. Team works 2/3 of the year to get to where they are, and a blown call can change the game. He said that he’s not saying that getting the call right necessarily would have changed the game, but why deal with shoddy umpiring if you don’t need to?

    Sure, a blown call allows a run to score…a good offense would pick it up and go score a run. I get it. But why not just get the call right the first time and not have to worry? I think that’s what people in this forum are saying when they complain about the umpiring.

  157. joeman October 14th, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    FA’s…Suzuki,Swisher,Ibanez,Chavez,Martin,Rivera…..options coming Cano,Grandy,Kuroda Soriano…..lots of stuff there to deal with & might be missing a couple

  158. MaxyC October 14th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    @ ZMANINSJ

    You’ve just made my day!

  159. RadioKev October 14th, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    The frustration over the blown call is stupid anyway. Kuroda gave up the hit. It was a lucky break for the Tigers, but not a bad break for Yankees.

    The Yankees didn’t bother to put any runs on the board. That’s tonight’s story.

  160. austinmac October 14th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    Kev,

    With fringe benefits, their current payroll is $220M. To get below $189M with fringe benefits, they need to get to $179M in actual salary. That is at least a $31M reduction. Jerkface says it’s more.

  161. MaxyC October 14th, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    Who here felt this game was over as soon as the Tigers scored?

  162. joeman October 14th, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    getting a feeling not picking up Grandy’s option is one move they might make

  163. austinmac October 14th, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    Maxy,

    If we are honest, we all felt it was over but grasping on the 9th inning the day before.

  164. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    They’re not cutting salary by 20%. They spent about $196m this year, and they need to get to $189m by 2014. They could get down to that by spending a mere $7m less next season, or 4% less. No point in making numbers up.

    Actually you are the one making up numbers. Their committed opening day payroll was 209 million. This does not include any additional salaries from minor leaguers + trades.

    But the 189 figure is NOT about committed payroll , nor is it about committed opening day payroll. It is a number that is calculated at the end of the season using the AAVs of contracted players / traded players / 40 man roster / salary obligations from trades / penalties / debits AND that 189 figure includes a 10 million dollar player benefits figure that is NOT included in committed opening day payroll.

    So they are really having to drop from 209+ to less than 175

  165. Duh Innings II October 14th, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    Ahhh who cares? The Yanks still would’ve lost 1-0 if the ump got the call right?

    Can we FINALLY have an ump in the booth to call plays at bases and homeruns?

    The Yanks CANNOT (SHOULD NOT) start their WORST STARTER (Hughes) against Detroit’s ace (Verlander) Tuesday.

    They MUST start their ACE (Sabathia) vs. Verlander.

    If Kuroda can pitch on three days of rest, so can Sabathia, no ifs, ands, or buts.

    If the Yanks lose Tuesday without Sabathia, Sabathia is almost rendered useless in Game 4 (Yanks down 0-3) if the Yanks could somehow do what was done to them in the 2004 ALCS i.e. win the next four games. The odds are severely stacked against them to come back from 0-3 when we look at history. Only the 2004 Red Sox have come back from an 0-3 series deficit to win a playoff round.

  166. Jerkface October 14th, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    And in 2014 if Jeter declines his option he counts as 9 million towards the 189 without even playing

  167. Jeremy October 14th, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    RadioKev

    How is it different from the Red Sox situation ? The Red Sox had a bunch of overpaid incompetent players with some aging players with no impact players ready to come up from the farm. How is that much different from the Yankees situation. This team on it’s present course is going to end up either in the cellar or around .500 in the next few years if drastic changes are not made. When Jeter, Rivera, and Andy retire this team will be a dead duck.

  168. Carlo October 14th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    Joeman – I felt it was over when it started. The tigers are a good baseball team. The yankees are a respectable baseball team playing horrible…..thus making them a very pedestrian team.

  169. joeman October 14th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    don’t think Kuroda or Soriano will return

  170. RadioKev October 14th, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    joeman October 14th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
    getting a feeling not picking up Grandy’s option is one move they might make
    ———-

    That’s when you fire Brian Cashman. Granderson had a poor year and still hit the 2nd most home runs in the AL. That type of potential is worth $13m.

    Fringe benefits are part of the cap? And they’re at $220M? ESPN has them at $195M. Where are you looking? Maybe ESPN is wrong, wouldn’t be the first time…

  171. joeman October 14th, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    Carlo October 14th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
    Joeman – I felt it was over when it started. The tigers are a good baseball team. The yankees are a respectable baseball team playing horrible…..thus making them a very pedestrian team.

    ——————————————————–
    one thing for sure they are lucky they got great SPing …

  172. Nick in SF October 14th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    Mental midgets and Muji masochists: :arrow:

  173. MaxyC October 14th, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    The Yankees believe in the Dave Kingman/Adam Dunn philosophy of hitting.

  174. austinmac October 14th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    Cot’s had them at $209,700,000 at the beginning of the year. I would think with the additions of Ichiro, McGeehee it went up some from there.

  175. RadioKev October 14th, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    austinmac October 14th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
    Cot’s had them at $209,700,000 at the beginning of the year. I would think with the additions of Ichiro, McGeehee it went up some from there.
    ————

    Looks like I had bad information, sorry

  176. joeman October 14th, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    Granderson’s K rate the last 3 years has gone up at a steady rate with a BA around .240…his RBI’s for amount of HR’s he hits is low…. plays a nice D and hits HR’s

  177. joeman October 14th, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    for the $ saved maybe I rather have a A Pagan in CF instead

  178. EliasInNH October 14th, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    Jeremy October 14th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
    RadioKev

    How is it different from the Red Sox situation ?
    —–
    It’s different from the Red Sox situation because the Yankees players still want to win. They just aren’t getting it done. Gonzalez, Beckett, Lester, etc. all quit on the team and the manager this year. I can’t really explain it in words. But I watched probably 50 red sox games this year either in person or on TV (as well as almost every Yankees game) and it was clear through body language, postgame interviews, etc., that the Red Sox team by and large, just quit

    The Yankee offense is slumping badly right now. But they haven’t quit like the Sox did.

  179. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 15th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    fair–weath·er/?fe??w?ð?/adjective
    always used before a noun

    disapproving: loyal or helpful only during times of success and happiness
    ? They are fair-weather friends. [=they are friends when you are successful but not when you fail]? fair-weather fans

  180. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 15th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    fair–weath·er/adjective
    always used before a noun

    disapproving: loyal or helpful only during times of success and happiness
    They are fair-weather friends. [=they are friends when you are successful but not when you fail] fair-weather fans

  181. blueyankee1 October 15th, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    If nothing else they should have expanded replay including calls at bases for all post season games.

  182. crl October 15th, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    Replay or no, am I to understand that none of the other 5 umpires had a view of the play that they could at least have discussed with Nelson. MLB is the only major sport where the officials are hesitant to ask for help on calls, with the notable exception of ‘checked swing’ calls. Is it for fear that they might have to admit they got it wrong.

    I don’t understand why, if one of the umps sees a play differently, they don’t come over and talk. They should huddle up more often. This happens in football and basketball all the time. Hey, this game is not about the umpires, rather about those playing the game. They deserve the best job that can be done, regardless of how the umpures come to their conclusion. Let’s get into the 21st century

  183. FreeAgentSignee October 16th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    Credit Nelson for admitting he got the call right.
    I agree Coach Girardi.
    Replay for HR calls and run scoring calls!

  184. FreeAgentSignee October 16th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    I have a correction.
    Credit Nelson for admitting he got the call wrong.
    I agree Coach Girardi.
    Replay for HR calls and run scoring calls!

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