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Girardi wants replay: Truth or smokescreen?

Posted by: Rick Carpiniello - Posted in Misc on Oct 15, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Whether it was an excuse or a crutch, whether it was a distraction or a smokescreen, Yankees manager Joe Girardi was still chirping about the missed call at second base in the eighth inning shortly after Detroit’s 3-0 win in Game 2 of the ALCS.

Coaches or managers do this tactically. Find something else to talk about, to get everybody’s eye, to turn the discussion away from a team’s failures in a playoff series – especially with an off-day today.

Yeah. Yeah. Bad call. Get instant replay.

In Girardi’s case, it probably wasn’t hatched as such, and he made it clear there’s no guarantee the right call would have made a difference – referencing, also, another arguably bad call in Game 1. Girardi was likely just steamed, as he can be. He did, after all, get ejected shortly after seeing the replay and going back out to argue after making a pitching change.

And darn if umpire Jeff Nelson, who made the safe call after Nick Swisher threw behind runner Omar Infante and Robinson Cano tagged him out – as Cano said, “by five feet” – said he thought the tag was to the chest after Infante’s hand hit second base; only to then admit he later saw the replay and “the call was incorrect.”

Fuel for the fire.

But there are a whole bunch of bottom lines here. The Yankees didn’t score a run, so they would have lost Game 2 anyway, despite Girardi’s argument that the call helped Detroit tag two runs onto a 1-0 lead, and the 1-0 lead might have been much more difficult for Detroit – with closer Jose Valverde demoted – to protect. Same as in Game 1, if Cano had been called safe instead of out at first on his bases-loaded grounder in the second inning.

There sure is no arguing that the Yankees are in a bleak place not because of those calls, but because Cano has been awful (he set a MLB postseason record by stretching his streak to 0 for 25, then 0 for 26, on two dribblers – neither of which were important enough for him to break out of more than a trot).

Nor can this be just on Cano, since Alex Rodriguez, Curtis Granderson and Nick Swisher have been nearly as bad statistically, and worse aesthetically.

Cano also lost the handle on a potential double-play ball that allowed the first Detroit run – the winning run — to score.

The Yankees get Justin Verlander next in Detroit. That’s how you spell bleak.

But they want instant replay.

“In this day and age when we have instant replay available to us, it’s got to change,” said Girardi, whose bad week got worse, and who will attend his father’s funeral today in Illinois. “These guys are under tremendous amounts of pressure.  It is a tough call for (Nelson) because the tag is underneath and it’s hard for him to see.  And it takes more time to argue and get upset than (to replay it and) get the call right.  Too much is at stake.  We play 235 days to get to this point, and two calls go against us.  We lose it by one run last night.

“And I’m not saying if Robby Cano is safe last night that it changes the game.  The outcome may be the same, but I like to take my chances.  There is more pressure on the pitchers when it is 1-0 in the eighth inning and your club is hitting than 3-0.  I would like to take my chances.”

Joe Torre said he and commissioner Bud Selig have discussed replay, and that MLB put cameras in the two New York parks for experimental purposes the last month. But he said nobody wants to “knee jerk” replay into rule.

What if: Bases loaded, line drive to right. Fielder dives. Umpire rules catch, all the baserunners retreat. Umpires go to replay. Call is overturned? What do you do with the baserunners? Or a ball is called foul, everybody stops running. Replay changes it to fair? Or bang-bang play at the plate. Catcher gets bowled over, runner called out, ball comes loose, catcher is hurt, other runners score, replay reverses it?

Anyway, they have replay for home run calls, and Baltimore’s Nate McLouth hit one over the foul pole in Game 5 Friday. The replay was unconvincing at best.

So what do you think? Replay or no replay? How do you amend situations after a call is reversed?

Also, do you believe Girardi’s complaints were him A) blowing off steam; B) legit; or C) setting a smokescreen to divert the focus from his team’s offensive failures?

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153 Responses to “Girardi wants replay: Truth or smokescreen?”

  1. Nick in SF October 15th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    Scutaro gets a big RBI single and Holliday boots that ball?

    Was that scripted by angry Giants fans???

  2. UnKnown October 15th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    Cards got the Giants right where they want them I see. Down 4 runs. And now they comeback like usual.

  3. mick October 15th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Getting it right should be the 1st priority.
    On a trap play runners get one base.
    There is something behind not wanting replay other than slowing the pace of the game.
    Maybe they don’t want to expose the umps as inefficient mistake prone arbiters.
    Maybe the umps would up their game as they did when Questec was in vogue.
    Could be the powers that be are afraid the umps will be phased out further by machines.
    The other leagues have “limited” the human element, why can’t baseball?

  4. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    These games are so much more interesting when a team’s top players, hell ANY players, actually hit the ball where it’s pitched. Why Lord oh why?

  5. RMS October 15th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    With the Yankees, it is all about what you do in the postseason. Imagine how Beltran would be loved by the fans here. He steps up his game in the postseason. And we could have had him.

  6. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    Think Scutaro has bathed in enough tomato juice to get that red sox failure smell off?

  7. JobaTipsHisCap October 15th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    the option is B

    MLB system sucks.

  8. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    Fair warning – mets fans i respect hated Beltran for doing the same things we accuse Arod

    The grass is always greener

  9. blake October 15th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    Everybody wants replay except the people Bud Selig talks to.

  10. JobaTipsHisCap October 15th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    let’s go, cards!

  11. jacksquat October 15th, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    The call at 2B was not a tough call like Girardi said (probably trying to be diplomatic). He was out by two feet. I still do not know how the ump missed that call.

  12. Barry October 15th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Priority is getting the call right. And, the napproach is a little different when a team is behind by a single run as opposed to multiple runs. Just as on a pitcher record wins are more important than any other stat. These guys play to their opponent. Win 5-4 or 2-1. No difference. The ony result that counts is the victory.

  13. jacksquat October 15th, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    There sure is no arguing that the Yankees are in a bleak place not because of those calls, but because Cano has been awful (he set a MLB postseason record by stretching his streak to 0 for 25, then 0 for 26, on two dribblers – neither of which were important enough for him to break out of more than a trot).

    Oh, you noticed too? :)

  14. Tar October 15th, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    No Replay!

    My reasoning is: so many big calls have gone against the Yankees especially lately. As soon as replay is established the Yankees are finally going to get some calls go their way. BUT NO replay will overturn those calls that we are due and are rightfully ours. So no replay!!! :evil:

  15. RMS October 15th, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    I cannot understand how players making millions of dollars cannot run hard to first base 4 times a game. Mind boggling.

  16. Nilsson October 15th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    NFL has instant replay. NBA refs review them to get it right. Tennis has it too. It’s time for MLB to join the fun.

    If a replay is unconvincing, then let the original call stand. As for ambiguous situations involving reverse calls, brainstorm them in the offseason and add new guidelines to the rule books. The important thing is to get the calls on the field right when stakes are high especially in the playoffs.

  17. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    Very very strange to me that Righetti has now been part of the Giants for much longer than he was on the Yankees, and he has had almost no opportunities to return to the stadium for well deserved cheers from the few fans who remember him

  18. djsunyc October 15th, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    put another umpire in the box upstairs with video access and let him make decisions when something is challenged.

  19. Marcus October 15th, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    I remember Rags!

  20. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    Given the opportunity in the WS, A’s fans would have booed Holliday much worse than Giants fans ever would

  21. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    These umps just suck. This too is getting hard to believe game after game series after series year after year. What happened to these guys?

  22. backbench October 15th, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    Is it correct that Chris Carpenter has more hits in the post season than Cano?

  23. Madrugador October 15th, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    Replay now!
    Umpires are not perfect and they do make mistakes. It is no longer reasonable with the technology that is available to allow a non player determine the outcome of a game. Face it, the Braves were totally robbed by that bogus infield fly call. 162 games down the drain.
    The game one call was close but the game two call was not.

    Maybe instead of the manager getting tossed each team should be able to toss one of the umpires for a bad call.

  24. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    Going oppo still a thing of beauty. Nice to be reminded about something we all miss so much, like seeing your first high school girlfriend at the reunion and her friend telling you she just got divorced. Scha-WING!!

    I’ll talk to myself all night on here if I have to. At some point Blake will jump on

  25. Duh Innings II October 15th, 2012 at 11:18 pm

    There should be instant replay for plays at bases, catches, and fair or foul for non-homerun hits, just have an ump in the video booth who has instant replay to make the call.

    Btw folks, two New York teams have come back from losing the first two games at home in the postseason:

    The Mets won two of three at Fenway then Games 6 and 7 at home in the 1986 World Series while the Yanks won the final four games including three in Atlanta in the 1996 World Series.

    What the Yanks have to do is play one game at a time:

    Win Game 3. Try to split o win Games 4 and 5. If you split, you must win Games 6 and 7. If you win both, you need only split Games 6 and 7.

    Bottom line is bring it back to New York up 3-2 or more realistically 2-3.

    One positive I have found in these two ALCS games is Kuroda and Pettitte have shown they should be re-signed for another year.

  26. Zach S October 15th, 2012 at 11:18 pm

    I like the 5th umpire in the booth idea. They should also have him keeping score, cause it’s ridiculous someone from MLB doesn’t keep official score and Joe Schmoe can do it. Don’t have the umps go into the booth and check, that takes too much time. It’d be so easy for the ump in the booth to look at video, asses and make the call.

  27. UnKnown October 15th, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    The Yankees are going to get a huge win tomorrow that propels them to winning 4 in a row and the ALCS.

    They will be the first team ever to lose the first two games at home and still comeback to win the series in LCS play.

    You heard it here first.

  28. charlestonchew October 15th, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    The more important fact about this game is that neither offense was performing in the game, so when an umpire made such a huge mistake.. it doesn’t become a problem of the offense of the Yankees, especially when the Tigers were just as bad. What it comes down to is the fact that each team fought equally hard and were separated by inches and that call changed everything. It changed the outcome of the game, maybe not from win to loss, but it changed the tenor of the ninth and the tone of the series.

  29. Duh Innings II October 15th, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    UnKnown October 15th, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    The Yankees are going to get a huge win tomorrow that propels them to winning 4 in a row and the ALCS.

    They will be the first team ever to lose the first two games at home and still comeback to win the series in LCS play.

    You heard it here first.

    ———–

    Why not when both New York teams came back after dropping the first two games at home on much bigger stages (’86 Mets and ’96 Yanks in the World Series)?

    I’m realistic. If they’re gonna come back and win, it’ll be a seven gamer (Yanks win 4 of the next 5.)

    C.C. SABATHIA MUST START ON SHORT REST TOMORROW!!!

    The Yanks cannot afford to throw their decent but still worst starter (Hughes) against Detroit’s ace.

    What if the Yanks lose tommorrow? Then you’re starting Sabathia down 0-3. Ridiculous!

    We cannot assume the Yanks are due to win, especially with Verlander going against them.

    Since when is it a gimme that the Yanks will win Game 4 with CC and what would it matter if they fell to 0-3?

    I want CC to help the Yanks get on the board after being down 0-2 not 0-3.

    Bottom line is CC is more likely to go toe to toe or outduel Verlander than Hughes and the Yanks have the better setup man-closer 1-2.

  30. fantasygame101 October 15th, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    girardi was mad bec. he was not able to imploy his best strategy, pinch hit for arod again.

  31. G. Love October 15th, 2012 at 11:44 pm

    Unknown,

    I hope you’re right. I do think Cashman admitting to Kay that it’s time to see what Gardner can do in the OF means the team has had it with the giveaway at bats.

    We have pitching worthy of a 28th ring. Going out like this would be devastating.

    You can’t count this team out. Ibanez, by himself, showed that a few times over the past month.

    But they are going to have to try something different in the lineup.

    The backs of the baseball card approach and thinking certain players will live up to their pedigree is folly.

    As for replay, I’m for it. I don’t like it when we win & there’s some contested play that non-Yankee fans cling to. If I never have to hear about Joe Mauer’s fair ball again it would be wonderful.

    Why baseball doesn’t want it is beyond me. With the technology we have now it would barely slow the game down and by putting a 5th ump in the booth it would work perfectly.

  32. Duh Innings II October 15th, 2012 at 11:46 pm

    Read this moron who writes for Bleacher Report:

    http://bleacherreport.com/arti.....rk-yankees

    Yeah, the Yanks shouldn’t start their ace against Detroit’s ace tomorrow cuz it’s a foregone conclusion the Yanks won’t hit enough to win tomorrow.

    Lovely logic.

    HEY PHIL:

    HUGHES IS MORE LIKELY TO GIVE UP THE THREE OR MORE RUNS VERLANDER PROBABLY NEEDS TO HELP THE TIGERS BEAT THE YANKS THAN SABATHIA, THEREFORE YOU DON’T START HUGHES.

    Hughes’ homeruns allowed alone is a red flag you don’t start him for Cabrera could slam a three-run homerun, Fielder a three-run homerun or grandslam to make it 3-0 or 4-0 in the first inning, game probably over for the Yanks after one inning with Verlander going for the Tigers. Or Hughes is wayyyy more likely to do that than Sabathia.

    When your team isn’t hitting, you have to have the guy out there who will allow the least amount of runs so your offense can win with the least amount of runs, if it continues to score low. That guy is Sabathia not Hughes.

    Sabathia is more likely to throw eight innings of shutout or one-run ball and give Soriano a 1-0, 2-0, or 2-1 lead or throw a complete game 1-0 shutout than Hughes.

    If Kuroda can start on short rest, so can a guy half a decade younger than him.

    Oh yeah, say Sabathia starts Game 4 and the Yanks force a Game 7. Sabathia has to start on short rest anyway in Game 7 and we cannot assume the Yanks will win the next four games and avoid starting Sabathia again in this series. If he starts Game 3 on short rest, he can start Game 7 on normal rest. I’d rather have him start on short rest for Game 4 than short rest for Game 7. I’d also like him to make TWO starts in the ALCS not one.

    Another thing: What if Game 4 is rained out after three innings? Sabathia would be wasted.

  33. Nick in SF October 15th, 2012 at 11:57 pm

    I cannot underestimate how intensely angry I am at so-called athletic man Phillip Rivers. :mad: :mad: :mad:

  34. johnfish October 16th, 2012 at 12:11 am

    What replay were you watching? the ball didn’t go over the foul pole. You can clearly see the ball pass in front the foul pole on the foul side. The only possible question was if the ball nicked the foul pole.

    As for the call at 2nd base by Nelson, well he’s just lying. There is no way he could have seen the tag made after Infante touched the bag. When Infante does touch 2nd base, Cano is moving to the outfield side of the runner and never toughed Infante at that time or after.

    What likely happened is that Nelson never saw the tag from his angle of view. The problem must be that when Girardi came out, instead of saying that he never saw a tag, which would have led Girardi to ask for other umps to confer, Nelson just said the tag was late. The fact that Nelson could’t see the tag would have been perfectly reasonable but might have led to his call being overturned.

    And Torre is too smart not to know what really happened. But these guys don’t want to admit that the ump was lying, so he copped to a mistake.

  35. Jerkface October 16th, 2012 at 12:19 am

    Don’t read bleacher report, its a crap factory

  36. jacksquat October 16th, 2012 at 12:22 am

    The ump was right there, there is no way he could have missed the tag unless he had his eyes closed. Really just an inexplicable call.

  37. johnfish October 16th, 2012 at 12:32 am

    the ump may have been to close, therefore looking almost straight down, rather than seeing the tag at eye level; Infante’s body may have shielded the tag from Noelson The first base ump might have had a better view.

  38. johnfish October 16th, 2012 at 12:37 am

    the ump may have been too close, therefore looking almost straight down, rather than seeing the tag at eye level; Infante’s body may have shielded the tag from Nelson The first base ump might have had a better view. see still and video; imagine that you are in the ump’s position, looking down, rather than from farther away with the eye view more horizontal.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=nyy

  39. mrrdmyers2 October 16th, 2012 at 12:39 am

    “In this day and age when we have instant replay available to us, it’s got to change,” said Girardi. “These guys are under tremendous amounts of pressure.. . . It takes more time to argue and get upset than (to replay it and) get the call right. Too much is at stake. We play 235 days to get to this point, and two calls go against us. We lose it by one run last night.

    A VERY LEGIT ARGUMENT. TIME TO BRING THIS SPORT INTO THE MODERN AGE

  40. johnfish October 16th, 2012 at 12:42 am

    At the very least, in the playoffs. The rules are changed in the playoffs as is; we add 2 additional umpires, due to the importance of the games to try to get the call right. So adding replays for playoffs is along the same line of thinking.

  41. jacksquat October 16th, 2012 at 1:02 am

    Play was not close at all and I can’t see how he could have possibly missed it. Cano had his whole arm against Infante’s chest and he was still at least a foot off the bag and his momentum towards the bag had basically stopped.

  42. LGY October 16th, 2012 at 1:03 am

    Super late on this but wanted to respond

    DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
    Anybody on this Blog believe Cano is a Leader???? Speak up.

    ——-

    http://online.wsj.com/article/.....hare_tweet

  43. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 16th, 2012 at 1:13 am

    I have been railing about this topic for at least the last three years here and other places before here. How can anyone who cares about the integrity of the game want otherwise? It boggles the imagination. The final outcome of every game should be decided by the players and nobody else. It is beyond a travesty for the rules of the game to be changed because umpires can’t get it right. And that’s top to bottom. Was it right that the Padres lost a spot in their sudden-death playoff with Colorado and lost out on a trip to the postseason because McClelland called Holliday safe at the plate when he was clearly out? Players spend an entire season not to prace around the bases looking pretty but in hopes that their efforts will lead to a trip to the postseason and hopefully to the ultimate prize.

    Bad calls can lead to losses. Anyone remember the game in Baltimore when Tex was called out when he dove in headfirst by Jerry Meals and that caused the Yanks to lose the game? How about if the Yankees missed going to the postseason by one game? And don’t give me the stupid crap about it being their own fault because they should have won more games.

    How anybody wouldn’t support instant replay is beyond me. You either want to get the game right, or you don’t particularly give a damn. It’s not our problem to figure out how they institute it or what possible ramifications it would have if X happened and then Y didn’t – what’s the outcome? Let the peope who are paid handsomely in the MLB office figure that out!

    “The Yankees didn’t score a run, so they would have lost Game 2 anyway, despite Girardi’s argument that the call helped Detroit tag two runs onto a 1-0 lead, and the 1-0 lead might have been much more difficult for Detroit – with closer Jose Valverde demoted – to protect. Same as in Game 1, if Cano had been called safe instead of out at first on his bases-loaded grounder in the second inning.”

    Seriously? You KNOW they wouldn’t have won the game because they didn’t score a run. How about if the pitcher on the mound had to really pitch carefully and not make any mistakes because it was a 1-0 lead late in the game? How about if a mistake pitch came around and someone jumped on it? You have no way of knowing what would have happened in that game. Surely you’re not suggesting that every play would have happened exactly the same were the bad call not made! That’s almost comical. The Yankees had hitters in both the 8th and the 9th who had been putting wood on the ball. Don’t tell me you know that they would not have gotten hits! That’s the very point of this. Nobody knows what would have happened, but people who love the game and care about the integrity of the game prefer to find out by having the players play it out and seeing how it ends, not having a blown call potentially change an eventual outcome.

    Girardi is as sincere as the day is long. Are you kidding me? He sees his team get robbed twice in two days and lose by a run both times????? Robby making it to first with the bases loaded? That spells run to me! And Tex was next in line to bat. No telling what may have happened. As it was he singled to open the next inning and he had been having really good AB.

    Girardi knows as well as anyone that his team may have won both those games without those blown calls. He’s intelligent enough to know that there is no “predetermined outcome” that says even if an entirely different outcome happens in an AB, the rest of the game will play out exactly as it did with the previous event.

    ENOUGH. The thieves in the MLB office who steal their money every day need to at least pretend they care about any purity that’s left in the sport to use the technology available to get it right. Get it right. Such a simple phrase with such profound implications.

  44. DONNYBROOK October 16th, 2012 at 1:42 am

    Rick needs to review Game 2. The Yankees would have scored a run, if NOT for an additional Blown Call at 1B on Cano hitting into the DP. Replays showed Cano was safe, and the Yanks woulda scored a run on that play, plus the inning woulda continued. Cano even thought he was safe, as evidenced by his bouncing his helmet off the ground in disguist after crossing 1B. Minus the 2 Blown Calls, the score woulda been 1-1 at the end of 9 innings, and who knows, maybe the Yanks get a rally going if the Correct call is made on Cano?

  45. Wang IS Taiwan October 16th, 2012 at 2:33 am

    Oh please…did they get the calls wrong? A resounding yes. Did it impact the Yankees winning the game? No. Anyone with a brain can see that they haven’t been able to hit the side of the barn for a while now.

    Girardi just didn’t want to face the Qs on his inability to change up the team’s gameplan or why he pulled such ridiculous bullpen moves. Or why the players don’t seem to have a clue when they get to the plate.

    Let’s talk about something impacting the game. How about putting in your worst reliever when the game is still winnable. So yes, Chad, he’s trying to change the subject.

  46. Tidrow October 16th, 2012 at 5:39 am

    I’ll take peoples complaint about blown calls seriously when they demand it after a brutal call goes in their teams’ favor. To be complaining about calls when your team loses and is playing like crap seems like sour grapes and sore losing to me. Just a diversionary tactic by mother hen Girardi who sees no evil, hears no evil or speaks no evil when it comes to his underachieving players. They can’t do know wrong in his eyes so what he’s feeling about the umpiring is probably the frustration he’s really feeling for his players.

  47. Tidrow October 16th, 2012 at 5:41 am

    iI meant no instead of know.

  48. MTU October 16th, 2012 at 6:54 am

    Put me down for the expanded use of IR.

    That said, the Yankees might want to try a new strategy.

    It’s called hitting.

    :)

  49. Mike Ri October 16th, 2012 at 6:56 am

    im tired of hearing about IR myself .. . hit the ball !

  50. Wang IS Taiwan October 16th, 2012 at 6:59 am

    Good morning, MTU!

    I can’t help but think of you now that’s it’s been shown in the playoffs that it ISN’T just all about pitching (Hello, Cashman). You’ve been saying we’ve needed a more multi-dimensional approach for a long time. Hey — how many of us this year kept wanting to get a guy who could hit for average?

    Anyway, replays not going to help this team’s woes. I wish that were all it would take. I think it’s funny that folks are railing on the umps.

  51. MTU October 16th, 2012 at 7:08 am

    Wang-

    Good morning ( or evening).

    It’s called displacement. Like when you kick your dog (not me of course) when your mad at something else.

    Yup. I’ve wanted a few more Ichiro types to go along with our already abundant power.

    And I’d like our guys to be able to do the fundamental things well.

    Like bunting and running bases.

    I see the Cards as a good example of construction right now.

    Several heavy hitters but lot’s of guys who hit for average and just seem to know how to advance runners.

    I’m not making excuses but this year has also been plagued w injuries to key players.

    I’d like to see the OF retooled.

    I’m still not completely sold on Martin. I think we can and should do better.

    Those areas might be potential upgrades.

    I find myself looking ahead to the future for solace.

  52. blake October 16th, 2012 at 7:23 am

    There is zero good reason to not have full replay in baseball. They have the technology and the umpires are simply too bad to call games without it….

    Hughes has a chance to make his mark tonight….of course the Yankees have to score too.. But if they can somehow win tonight then it’s a series again

  53. MTU October 16th, 2012 at 7:26 am

    Blake-

    Don’t get your hopes up too high.

    Odds are Verlander is gonna slam the door shut, or nearly shut.

    Maybe the off day will have helped to do a reset.

    Sorry to say this but I’m not expecting much.

  54. blake October 16th, 2012 at 7:33 am

    MTU,

    When they can’t score on joe Saunders and anibal Sanchez then yea it’s tough to see then doing anything against JV……but hey you never know….big momentum swing if they can work a miracle tonight

  55. MTU October 16th, 2012 at 7:37 am

    Blake-

    I would have preferred they win the last one.

    I kinda thought that was a must win.

    It’s not really a miracle. A few more guys just need to break out.

    Like Cano. Guy has been like an iceberg in the North Atlantic.

    Tough guy to do it against. More likely he adds to people’s slumps.

    Yankees have been able to escape when their backs have been to the wall.

    Tonight certainly qualifies.

    I should fly to Lourdes to seek your miracle.

    :)

  56. blake October 16th, 2012 at 7:39 am

    MTU,

    They would have won both games if they could hit at all

  57. Wang IS Taiwan October 16th, 2012 at 7:42 am

    MTU,

    The Cards do have a very well-rounded team. It’s a team that’s built for any situation. I can’t understand why Cashman didn’t do more this year to add to the plethora of power bats? And surely, our management was smart enough to see that just waiting to HRs was going to let the team down when playoff time came around?? Maybe not.

    Cashman was obsessed with pitching to the point that he gave away Montero and then never got any bats to replace him. He was the one bright spot last year in our dismal playoffs because the guy hit in pressure situations. Can you imagine if we’d had him this year?? And I don’t judge him based on his performance in Seattle. Anyone would have done worse in that depressing environment.

    I’m not a fan of many on our team right now besides Jeter and Ichiro and Tex — for his defense. I hope Cashman goes to town and shakes things up because we’ve seen how unable the manager is at shaking things up.

    I want Jeter to have a legit chance to return to the playoffs last year. The guy deserved better this year, that’s for sure.

  58. Wang IS Taiwan October 16th, 2012 at 7:43 am

    They would have won both games if they could hit at all

    ~~~~~~~~~~~

    That’s what was so frustrating. They didn’t much — just a couple of good hits.

  59. MTU October 16th, 2012 at 7:48 am

    Blake-

    The SP has been all that anyone can ask so obviously the problem lies elsewhere.

    Just sucks that so many key guys are all cold at the same time.

    Wang-

    I would like some changes made but I’m not persuaded we’ll see very many significant ones.

  60. MTU October 16th, 2012 at 7:52 am

    Now that Cashman has fixed the Pitching he needs to fix the O.

    ;)

  61. Wang IS Taiwan October 16th, 2012 at 7:53 am

    I would like some changes made but I’m not persuaded we’ll see very many significant ones.

    ~~~~~~~~~

    That’s what I’m afraid of and if so, we’re going to have some dreary years to look forward to. It will be interesting to see how long Jeter sticks around much longer if that’s the case.

    Management has to do something. The fact that the stadium wasn’t sold out during the playoffs is literally SHOCKING to me.

  62. Wang IS Taiwan October 16th, 2012 at 7:54 am

    I hope Kuroda comes back. He’s got a warrior spirit in him.

  63. Yankee Trader October 16th, 2012 at 7:54 am

    Good morning/evening Mike, Wang, MTU, Blake and anyone else who posts while I’m slowly typing.

    Attaching an interesting short article -

    Yankees vow to make adjustments in ALCS, but can they?
    By Jeff Bradley/Star-Ledger Baseball Writer The Star-Ledger

    BLURB: Said Scout B, who followed the Yankees down the stretch in anticipation that his team might meet them in the playoffs, “Joe’s right about one thing. I don’t see anything that remotely looks like an adjustment from this team. Don’t see anyone trying to go the other way or trying to stay back or keep the ball out of the air. They’re just up there hacking.”

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....tment.html

    This article just about says it all, on points many of you made this year.

    Read it and see if you agree. :)

  64. Yankee Trader October 16th, 2012 at 7:58 am

    Elias Sports Bureau -

    The Yankees have only had back-to-back hits in seven of 72 postseason innings. They’ve only had consecutive batters reach base in 15 innings.

  65. MTU October 16th, 2012 at 7:58 am

    Wang-

    “That’s what I’m afraid of and if so, we’re going to have some dreary years to look forward to. It will be interesting to see how long Jeter sticks around much longer if that’s the case.

    Management has to do something. The fact that the stadium wasn’t sold out during the playoffs is literally SHOCKING to me.”

    I don’t know if I’d say dreary but certainly not stellar either.

    Agree about the Stadium. I was very surprised to see empty seats.

    Maybe that will get the Brass’s attention as it relates to the pockebook.

    I hope Hiroki returns. AP too.

    Not sure about Jeter’s future. Did he have a surgery ?

    If he did the odds of him coming back to full strength at his age are lowered.

    That said, if anyone can overcome it’s guys like Mo, Andy, and Derek.

  66. Ys Guy October 16th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    Arod is a disgrace

  67. Yankee Trader October 16th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    Blake-

    You’ve mentioned this before.

    Said Scout A, “I told our pitchers, ‘They’re aggressive in fastball counts,’ In hitter’s counts they jump on balls. If you throw them a fastball, they’re going to hit it.’ I said, ‘I would pitch them backwards.’ They’re going to chase. They’re very aggressive, especially with runners on base. Everybody up and down the lineup. I think they’re getting exposed.”

  68. Tar October 16th, 2012 at 8:00 am

    “There is zero good reason to not have full replay in baseball. ”

    Remember Lou kicking dirt, Billy, Earl and many many others. The Manager / Umpire theatre show will sorely be missed by me. I know its not a good reason, but something about losing the human element is making me feel well….. old.

  69. MTU October 16th, 2012 at 8:02 am

    Greetings YT.

    I find myself longing for the Hot Stove season already.

    Let’s finish the job and fix this puppy.

    :)

  70. blake October 16th, 2012 at 8:03 am

    Trader,

    Aside from Ichiro and Tex and Ibanez they are just up there hacking….. No approach….just up there swinging hard 3 times……

    Tar,

    Managers would still be able to get tossed over balls and strikes ;) …..and the rest of the calls we can get right!

  71. MTU October 16th, 2012 at 8:04 am

    Y’s-

    I don’t know if I’d use the word disgarce but I’m sure you can add several other underperformers to your list.

    Swisher, grandy,and Cano.

    Cano is busy setting the wrong kind of records for the playoffs.

    :(

  72. MTU October 16th, 2012 at 8:04 am

    sp: disgrace. dyslexia strikes agin.

  73. Yankee Trader October 16th, 2012 at 8:04 am

    No Jeter hasn’t had surgery-yet. If there is any displacement of the tibia, he will have to undergo surgery.

    It’s not a slam dunk that he’ll have a full recovery and 100% range of motion.

    Too early to speculate, since I can find no reports of what the MRI showed.

  74. MTU October 16th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    again.

    sorry.

  75. blake October 16th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    How much do we think BJ Upton would cost? Would it be less if they acquired his brother first? Would having them both on the same team be good or bad for them ? Would a ball ever touch grass with Gardner and two Uptons in the OF?

  76. MTU October 16th, 2012 at 8:06 am

    Blake-

    See ball. Try to hit it hard.

    That’s the approach of many.

  77. blake October 16th, 2012 at 8:07 am

    Wang IS Taiwan says:
    October 16, 2012 at 7:54 am
    I hope Kuroda comes back. He’s got a warrior spirit in him.

    Unless they win the WS I think Andy will be back…..so IMO the first order of business for Cashman is to get Kuroda back…..if he gets both he and Andy locked up early then that makes him more flexible as to what he can do

  78. Ys Guy October 16th, 2012 at 8:07 am

    I was referring to arod hitting on hotties during game 1.
    Idk that swish, cano, or grandy did that.

  79. Wang IS Taiwan October 16th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    Now that Jeter’s out, the playoffs are in essence over for me. He’s amazing to watch in the post season. I wish other players could adjust to the pressure better, but I think it’s not something you can teach.

    YT — I read the article. Thanks for posting. I know this is going to sound bad, but are the Yanks just not smart enough to adjust, or are their coaches/manager incapable of communicating what changes they need to make in a way that the guys understand?

  80. MTU October 16th, 2012 at 8:09 am

    Blake-

    The OF is likely to be GGBG, one of Swisher or Grandy, and player X.

    Doubt very much both Grandy and Swish go. Too much lost power.

    They’ll probably add a stopgap guy as the 3rd OF’er.

    I hope they do more.

    ;)

  81. blake October 16th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    “The OF is likely to be GGBG, one of Swisher or Grandy, and player X.”

    Well yea but don’t crush my dreams so early in the morning :)

  82. Yankee Trader October 16th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    Blake-

    I don’t see after reading the article above how most of the current starters can make adjustments, except maybe for Swisher, who has had success working the count in the past, eons ago, before he wants to be a hero every inning he comes to bat.

    Gardner used to be able to work the count. Maybe his rusty bat will be inserted in the lineup tonight?

  83. Wang IS Taiwan October 16th, 2012 at 8:12 am

    I think folks should quit piling on Arod. Hey, His body isn’t the same. He can’t possibly do what you’re asking him to do. He’s physically unable to hit fast balls, so when he starts his bat early to hit the fast balls and they throw a breaking ball instead, he’s toast.

    It’s a shame what the steriods did to his body — particularly his hips. I wouldn’t be surprised if he calls it quits after next year. He’s going to have to be platooned next year anyway. Why not start his next career early? He’s never going to hit enough HRs now to pass Bonds.

  84. MTU October 16th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Sorry Blake. Next time I’ll wait till later in the day.

    OTOH they could trade with someone for a young stud OF’er.

    ;)

  85. blake October 16th, 2012 at 8:15 am

    My lineup for tonight would be

    Ichiro RF
    Gardner LF
    Cano 2B
    Tex 1B
    Ibanez DH
    Granderson CF
    Arod 3B
    Martin C
    Nix SS

  86. MTU October 16th, 2012 at 8:15 am

    I think the Yankees need to rethink the high OPS model.

    Maybe replace it with the high OBP/situational hitting model.

    :)

  87. Yankee Trader October 16th, 2012 at 8:16 am

    Wang-

    This answers your question-

    And what have the Tigers and Orioles pitchers done to make the Yankees look so bad?

    “A lot of reverse-count pitching,” explained Scout B. “Throwing off-speed in fastball counts. They’ve faced guys who can go soft even when behind in the count. It takes a real commitment mentally to make that adjustment, especially for power guys, who get ticked off when they guess wrong and let a good fastball slip by them.”

    Teams have exposed the Yankees. I’ll also add the shift has gobbled up almost every groundball Granderson hits as well as Tex from the left side. You can see pitchers pitch inside to force pull hitters to hit into the shift and occasionally go outside where they won’t be able to go the other way.

  88. blake October 16th, 2012 at 8:17 am

    Alex has been a problem…..but the biggest problem has been their best hitter (Cano) being a complete non factor. The offense goes as Cano goes….

  89. MTU October 16th, 2012 at 8:18 am

    Blake-

    I like it except I’m going with Chavez, Stewart, and Nunez.

    Shake it up. See if anything pours out.

    ;)

  90. MTU October 16th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    Cano is setting records in reverse this OS.

    Sad to see. What a time for a Titanic slump.

    :(

  91. djsunyc October 16th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    so…wfan is going crazy about arod hitting on 2 girls during game 1 in extra innings. once he was pulled, apparently he began having a convo with 2 women by the bench (via messages written on baseballs) and flirted for the rest of the game until jeter got hurt.

  92. rl1856 October 16th, 2012 at 8:20 am

    It is time for IR in baseball. Just in this post season, we have seen how bad calls have impacted the possible results of games. For a sport that prides itself on integrity, it is inexcusable that so much is left to arbitrary judgement without recourse. I am sensitive to concerns that extensive use of IR will lengthen the game or disrupt the continuity of the game. My solution: Give each manager the opportunity to challenge up to 2 calls per game. Put an umpire in the sky with instant access to the reply video and the ability to call for IR on any call he sees as questionable. Put a 2 or 3 min time limit on the amount of time taken up by a reply. It is true that you can not predict what would have happened to runners on base had the call been correct initially. A compromise would be to award 1 base to all potentially affected runners.

  93. blake October 16th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    “I think the Yankees need to rethink the high OPS model.”

    The high OPS model is great…..the Yanks don’t have a high OPS …..what they have is a decent OPS team who the OBP portion of the OPS is made up of mostly walks an not enough hits.

    The Yanks need more contact and more batting average in their lineup…..they need more guys that can handle the bat….who have bat control and who can put the ball in play in key situations.

    The homers are great….but they don’t get on base enough for that strategy to work well and they don’t get enough hits to score in other ways.

    The RISP issues are merely a function of having a lineup full of players who don’t get a lot of hits in general

  94. blake October 16th, 2012 at 8:22 am

    Jeter is seeing a dr in Charlotte…..prescribe him a Cajun filet biscuit combo an sweet tea from Bojangles and he will be healed !

  95. austinmac October 16th, 2012 at 8:23 am

    Both the Post and Daily News have stories about the missing fans for the playoffs. I have been warning that attendance and income are not guaranteed. This team is uninteresting and painful to watch.

    I hope ownership sees the handwriting on the wall, but instead they are talking about scheduling issues. They, plus all of us, will see how poor ownership and leadership can end the profitability and success of the team.

  96. Yankee Trader October 16th, 2012 at 8:23 am

    I’d tweak yor lineup Blake:

    You might want to look at these regular season stats vs Verlander and then add current chances any one of the Yankee hitters can make the necessarry adjustments:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....-verlander

  97. blake October 16th, 2012 at 8:24 am

    “Now that Jeter’s out, the playoffs are in essence over for me. He’s amazing to watch in the post season. I wish other players could adjust to the pressure better, but I think it’s not something you can teach.”

    I cheer for the laundry but it does feel mighty strange without him out there…..I’ve often wondered how this team will change once he’s no longer here….Will the culture that allowed them to win 95 games despite really so many injuries and flaws that they shouldn’t have still be there?

  98. Yankee Trader October 16th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    Austinmac-

    Good morning

    I’m reposting this article for you that I posted earlier. Read it when you have a chance.

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....tment.html

  99. blake October 16th, 2012 at 8:26 am

    so…wfan is going crazy about arod hitting on 2 girls during game 1 in extra innings. once he was pulled, apparently he began having a convo with 2 women by the bench (via messages written on baseballs) and flirted for the rest of the game until jeter got hurt.”

    I hope that’s not true

  100. MTU October 16th, 2012 at 8:26 am

    Blake-

    What you said is what I meant.

    I call that situaional hitting.

    It could be power. It could be looking to find the gap. It could be laying down a bunt, etc.

    It doesn’t mean swinging for the fences iin all situations.

    Hope that makes my POV clearer.

  101. MTU October 16th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    And you’re right. that generally means more hits and guys with higher BA’s in general.

  102. blake October 16th, 2012 at 8:28 am

    Trader,

    I don’t know that career numbers against him matter all that much now…..none of them can hit ….I’d put my best defense in the outfield and hope Hughes can hold them to 2 or 3 runs and we can either get lucky and hit a couple of homers or beat their pen late.

  103. Jerkface October 16th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    High OPS is good. Can’t advocate going away from that. Problem is that the Yankees who walk can’t hit for crap & the yankees who can hit don’t walk as much and the Yankees hit for power, but only enough to keep their OPS in the .700 to .800 range.

    If they were hitting better for average their on bases would be higher and their slugging would be higher. Or they could walk MORE & have decent on bases. But they don’t have that.

    Their 2 highest qualified (doesnt count chavez) hitters have an OPS of .929 & .837. That is Robinson Cano & Nick Swisher.

    This is not a high OPS team. Please do not mischaracterize this team. The 2009 Yankees were a high OPS team. They also kicked ass.

    The OBP behind A-rod (who is 4th, Jeter 3rd) are terrible. Tex .332, Granderson .319, Martin .311, Ibanez .308.

    These are not good OBP. The Yankees do take walks of course, but they still make league average or worse # of outs because their walks are only propping up terrible batting averages.

  104. Ys Guy October 16th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    Win today, win tomorrow with cc and the tigers are on the run.

    Let’s Go Yankees!!!!

  105. Wang IS Taiwan October 16th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    The Yanks need more contact and more batting average in their lineup…..they need more guys that can handle the bat….who have bat control and who can put the ball in play in key situations.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Totally agree. We need situational hitting. When I watch other teams, I keep thinking, “Are the Yanks the only team that doesn’t have situational hitters?”. They routinely fail to get guys home from 3rd base with 0-1 outs. That should be unacceptable to the manager/coaches.

  106. Yankee Trader October 16th, 2012 at 8:30 am

    The Yanks need more contact and more batting average in their lineup…..they need more guys that can handle the bat….who have bat control and who can put the ball in play in key situations.
    —————————————–

    Blake-
    These players were available at the trading deadline for little cost:

    Marco Scutaro BA .306 plus >.300 vs lefties and righties
    Reed Johnson BA .290 plus can play all OF positions

  107. Jerkface October 16th, 2012 at 8:30 am

    They don’t need situational hitters. The definition of situational hitting is making an out pretty much (its hitting behind runners, bunting, sac flies, and crap).

    They need hitters. Guys who can actually hit the ball.

  108. tomingeorgia October 16th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    I think we break the pattern of despair tonight and get to Verlander early and big. I’m no prophet, but I have been on the road to Damascus. We win tonight.

  109. blake October 16th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    MTU,

    Yes we agree….I think true baseball fans are incredibly annoyed an bored by the offensive trends in baseball…..the lack of approach….the lack of 2 strike hitting….the wild swings and strike outs etc…..

    The quality of offensive approach is probably the worst I’ve ever seen it in baseball this year throughout the game…..

    My theory is that pitching is a little better….but mostly that players are trying to compensate for the lack of PEDs and that scouts are scouting players more on the power tool than ever before without giving as much attention to the hit tool……..

    I can’t hardly watch this Yankee team hit sometimes….it’s painful

  110. blake October 16th, 2012 at 8:36 am

    “Jerkface says:
    October 16, 2012 at 8:30 am
    They don’t need situational hitters. The definition of situational hitting is making an out pretty much (its hitting behind runners, bunting, sac flies, and crap).

    They need hitters. Guys who can actually hit the ball.”

    Yea I think the thing is that good hitters that can control the bat are typically good situational hitters…..so you kinda usually get both if you get guys that can hit

  111. blake October 16th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    Trader,

    I mentioned trading for Scutero at the deadline….he wouldn’t have fixed this though

  112. Yankee Trader October 16th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    JF-

    Of the two Yankees, Cano and Swisher, with the highest OB%, Swisher is the one who with some slight adjustments should be able to get on base via the walk.

    This team is exposed as constructed via almost any lineup they put out there tonight.

    It’ll be interesting to see if Verlander pitches “backwards” in the first 3 to 4 innings rather than throw fastballs with 2-0 amd 3-1 counts.

  113. MTU October 16th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    JF-

    I guess I have my own defintion of situational hitting then.

    It’s more like what you guys call higher BA hitting.

    My idea of it is just adjusting the AB to the task at hand and doing something productive with each AB.

    Finding open grass has to be way better than popping up because you’re swing so hard you come out of your shoes.

    GGBG is an example of a guy who simply does not make the most of his tool.

    He should take note of Ichiro. Bunt the ball, chop the ball, place the ball.

    Anyway the SOB just can’t stay healthy.

  114. Jerkface October 16th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    If you want a bunch of guys to ground out & bunt, we can just bring up abunch of minor leaguers.

    The Yankees should be looking for guys that can hit 15-20 HRs and hit in the .280s with the discipline to bring an OBP around .350+. That would be a vast improvement over much of the lineup and chances are those kind of guys would bring the ‘situational hitting’ because of the more contact.

  115. Wang IS Taiwan October 16th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    Jerkface,

    Of course they need guys who can actually hit the ball, but right now they don’t have the ability to use outs productively to get guys home when they’re in scoring position.

    Getting guys who can hit goes without saying, but we need bat control from them as blake said earlier.

  116. Jerkface October 16th, 2012 at 8:39 am

    MTU,

    You can’t have your own definition of situational hitting :) It is a common baseball expression with a fixed meaning. Situational hitting is hit and run, sac fly, bunt, hit behind the runner, ground out to score an RBI, etc.

    The Yankees do not excel at this because they don’t excel at hitting the ball with any consistency or regularity. It has nothing to do with OPS or whatever.

  117. Wang IS Taiwan October 16th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    MTU,

    I find watching Ichiro “place” the ball very interesting. That guy knows how to handle the bat.

  118. blake October 16th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    “The Yankees should be looking for guys that can hit 15-20 HRs and hit in the .280s with the discipline to bring an OBP around .350+. That would be a vast improvement over much of the lineup and chances are those kind of guys would bring the ‘situational hitting’ because of the more contact.”

    So Chase Headleys :)

  119. MTU October 16th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    OK JF.

    I know better than to argue minutae and baseball definitions with you.

    That’s your forte.

    I think we’re on the same page.

    That’s what matters to me.

    I think we both want guys who have higher BA’s and better bat control.

  120. blake October 16th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    JF,

    I agree they don’t need a bunch of punch an Judy’s etc that can’t hit but can move runners ….what they need is guys that can hit and have bat control and then the situational stuff typically comes with that…..guys that can hit also tend to make productive outs when they don’t get hits

  121. Yankee Trader October 16th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    The Yankees should be looking for guys that can hit 15-20 HRs and hit in the .280s with the discipline to bring an OBP around .350+.
    —————————————-

    JF-

    Name a few everyone.

    I’ll start. Yoenis Cespedes .292 BA, 23 homers, .356 OBP

    Next up?

  122. MTU October 16th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    Wang-

    No one handles the bat better than Ichiro.

    He uses it like a samauri sword.

    Of course, no one else can use his particular style of hitting.

    It’s incredibly unorthodox but works for him because of his unique
    skillset.

    That bat control aspect is what deserves emulating.

    Wish GGBG had it. He’d be unbelievable.

  123. Yankee Trader October 16th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    Blake has Chase Headley. Fits that bill perfectly.

  124. Yankee Trader October 16th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    Melky Cabrera might have fit those criteria in a full season. Can he do it off testosterone?

  125. Jerkface October 16th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    Yes MTU, I think we are on the same page, I just don’t want confusing language :) To educate we must be clear & concise.

  126. austinmac October 16th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    YT,

    Good article. Color me skeptical that Swisher, Granderson, Martin or Tex will change their approach. They will try to run into a fastball.

    Yes, guys who can hit .280, with a .350 OBP and 15-20 homers is what they need. I couldn’t agree more.

  127. blake October 16th, 2012 at 8:51 am

    Chase Headley makes more sense for the Yankees needs than Upton really as they do have some promising OF help hopefully on the way in minors…..and they probably need 3B help soon…..

    Headley could play 3B most days and you could rotate him in the OF a day or two a week to give Alex some days at 3B…..Alex needs to focus as much as possible of staying healthy and figuring out how to hit again… His defense is still fine but I have I I believe making him the primary DH could improve his ability to stay on the field and allow him to hopefully find if offensively.

    I don know what he would cost but the Yanks probably match up better to trade with SD than the Dbacks as the Padres kinda need everything while the Dbacks have more specific needs that the Yanks have less of

  128. Yankee Trader October 16th, 2012 at 8:51 am

    Matt Holliday, Allen Craig, David Freese, Yadier Molina.

    Cardinals are loaded with players who fit the bill.

  129. blake October 16th, 2012 at 8:52 am

    They should sign Melky if its a one year deal….prime age….hits for average…good defender…. Should be cheap

  130. MTU October 16th, 2012 at 8:53 am

    JF-

    Fair enough.

    Blake-

    Dontcha think the Headley ship has sailed ?

    Would the SS Gordon still be a worthwhile possibility ?

  131. MTU October 16th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    YT-

    John Jay too.

    ;)

  132. MTU October 16th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    Blake-

    Sorry to crush you again but we both know Melky is not coming back.

  133. Jerkface October 16th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    Headley, Upton, Melky, A-rod (healthy), Cano, Miguel Montero (RIP), Norichika Aoki, Freese , Craig, Jon Jay, Holliday, Stanton, David Wright, Torii Hunter, Hamilton, Andrus, David Murphy, Beltre, Mauer, Choo, Alex Gordon, Billy Butler

    Done for now

  134. Yankee Trader October 16th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    More:

    David Wright
    Aramis Ramirez
    Giancarlo Stanton
    Andre Ethier
    Carlos Gonzalez

  135. Don Vito A. Bellamo October 16th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    I will be SO GLAD to say that I was wrong, however I think it is pure stupidity to be starting Hughes tonight against Verlander on the road in what is extremely likely ( say 99% of the time at least ) a MUST win for us, being down 2-0. CC on short rest gives the Yankees a much higher chance of winning, IMO, and what the HALE is the point of saving CC for a “short rest” game 7 if it never happens. IF they start him tonight on short rest and they win…then IF there is a game 7, he starts AT HOME, on NORMAL REST ! To me, this is just plain crazy.

  136. austinmac October 16th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    MLBTR says the Giants want to bring Melky back. It also says the Padres want to extend Headley. I say try the Royals.

  137. Jerkface October 16th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    A lot of these guys won’t be an option, but some of them are or could be.

  138. MTU October 16th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Hike day today.

    Time to start getting ready.

  139. mick October 16th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    so…wfan is going crazy about arod hitting on 2 girls during game 1 in extra innings. once he was pulled, apparently he began having a convo with 2 women by the bench (via messages written on baseballs) and flirted for the rest of the game until jeter got hurt.”

    I hope that’s not true
    =============
    Why wouldn’t it be?

  140. austinmac October 16th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Hughes has to pitch to win this series. Pitch him today and give CC full rest.

  141. Yankee Trader October 16th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Jay didn’t meet the criteria-4 homers

    JF added the AL players

  142. Jerkface October 16th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    What does it matter if he was doing it? He was out of the game, all he can do is cheer from that point on.

  143. mick October 16th, 2012 at 9:01 am

    Let’s just get everybody’s best players, that’s the ticket.

  144. mick October 16th, 2012 at 9:01 am

    Next thing you know he’ll be eating chicken and drinking beer.

  145. Jerkface October 16th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    I’ll give it to them if they’re close! :) Mauer doesn’t either but he’d hit 15 in NYS

  146. Yankee Trader October 16th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    Hughes has to pitch well. Not well, but perfect. No walks, no homers, needs to have a generous ump behind the plate, and umps who can make the correct calls on all plays at the bases.

    He pretty much, along with the bullpen, has to pitch a shutout.

    Why?

    Besides the standard-issue offensive numbers, which are bad, the .205 team batting average, the 20 runs scored in seven postseason games, take a look at some of the other numbers the Elias Sports Bureau gathered to illustrate this widespread slump. The Yankees have only had back-to-back hits in seven of 72 postseason innings. They’ve only had consecutive batters reach base in 15 innings.

  147. Wang IS Taiwan October 16th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    MTU:

    “No one handles the bat better than Ichiro. He uses it like a samauri sword.”

    That he does!

    ~~~~~~~~~~~

    YT:

    David Wright at 3rd for the Yankees? I like the sound of that!

  148. blake October 16th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    “Dontcha think the Headley ship has sailed ?”

    Possibly but if you’re the padres you should consider trading him now at peak value and try to get a haul as they need lots of stuff to compete…..the issue is that he may cost more than the Yanks want to pay

  149. Yankee Trader October 16th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    New Post————->

  150. Wang IS Taiwan October 16th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    The Yankees have only had back-to-back hits in seven of 72 postseason innings. They’ve only had consecutive batters reach base in 15 innings.

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    Stunning stat.

  151. blake October 16th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    MTU says:
    October 16, 2012 at 8:55 am
    Blake-

    Sorry to crush you again but we both know Melky is not coming back.

    Nope…..

  152. BornInTheBronxUSA October 16th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    I think we have to go to instant replay but not in the way football does it. There should be another umpire in the booth who has instant slo mo available and he/she should make the call. If it is still questionable, the play stands as called. The two plays this series were terrible. You can’t let a game be determined by a bad call. If it is a continuation type of play, so be it. If a guy hits a grand slam that is later deemed foul, how difficult is it for the players to go back to their respective bases. Nothing good should flow out of a bad call.

  153. SmellHall October 16th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    Chad drinking the press box Kool Aid if he still thinks the McLouth HR was inconclusive. But he makes good points on complicated reversals.

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