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To boo, or not to boo…

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 15, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Hello from somewhere high above northern America…

No surprise that Nick Swisher’s postgame comments about the Yankee Stadium fans are generating some buzz.

“(Saturday) night was pretty (bad),” Swisher said. “A lot of people saying a lot of things that I’ve never heard before. Prime example: I missed that ball in the lights and the next thing you know, I’m the reason that Jeter got hurt. It’s kind of frustrating. … To go through a stretch like this where it’s kind of a negative attitude, a negative-type setting, that’s tough. But hey, that’s part of the game. Rightfully so. There are a lot of expectations here and I guess when you don’t get the job done, you’re going to hear about it.”

To be honest, I’ve never understood the booing. Not for the home team. Not when the crowd wants them to play well. It seems counter productive, but this weekend, the booing was hard to ignore and hard to overlook.

“That’s the last thing that I ever thought would be in this ballpark, that people would get on you that bad,” Swisher said. “Especially your home, where your heart is, where you’ve been battling and grinding all year long. It’s just frustrating, man. You never want to be in that spot. It’s not like you’re trying to go out there and do bad on purpose. It’s just tough, man.”

Lack of hustle. Not working hard. Giving up on a play. Those things deserve to be booed. Those deserve a message sent loud and clear. But I just don’t understand how it’s helpful to boo a fly ball to left or a grounder to second. Maybe fans need to vent, but I’m not sure that’s going to help a player get through a slump and perform.

“It hurts,” Swisher said. “Sometimes I’m a sensitive guy and some of the things people say, they get under your skin a little bit. I’ve been lucky to be here for the past four years, bro. We’re not going to go out like this. We’re going to go to Detroit and give everything we’ve got.”

Swisher, Curtis Granderson, Robinson Cano and Alex Rodriguez seemed to take the brunt of it this weekend, for obvious reasons. Their offensive numbers are the worst of the bunch, and it’s those offensive struggles that have the Yankees in a two-game hole.

“I mean, we haven’t scored a run in a long time,” said Rodriguez, who’s booed on the road nearly every at-bat. “I’m right there with ‘em. You can’t blame them. I wish you could blame, you can’t blame our fans. We got to go out there and score runs.”

That’s perfectly true, and I tend to think the Yankees would be well aware of it without the home crowd letting them hear about it.

My question to you is this: Do you boo when the Yankees struggle? If so, why? Is it strictly to voice displeasure? Is it to send a message that the players aren’t working hard enough? Is it to send a message to the front office? Obviously players have to have thick skin about this stuff — it comes with the job, and they all know that going in — but I wonder if I’m in the minority here in thinking it’s counterproductive.

“As the game progresses, you’re trying to go up there and get a hit,” Swisher said. “If you don’t, people let you know about it. It’s a tough spot. Hey man, I guess that’s playing in New York.”

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329 Responses to “To boo, or not to boo…”

  1. jacksquat October 15th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Gardner – LF
    Ichiro – RF
    Teixeira – 1B
    Cano – 2B
    Ibanez – DH
    Chavez – 3B
    Granderson – CF
    Martin – C
    Nix – SS

    No need to break up lhh as Verlander is not coming out of the game until late or he gets hammered, plus you have Arod and Swisher on the bench.

  2. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    don’t care to or want to read any more interviews with players about what they have to do

    just effin do it and stop talking about it already

    I mean, I know you have to say something when the microphones are in your face, but we’re not idiots

  3. Doc Iac October 15th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    lack of hustle. Not working hard. Giving up on a play. Those things deserve to be booed. Those deserve a message sent loud and clear. But I just don’t understand how it’s helpful to boo a fly ball to left or a grounder to second. Maybe fans need to vent, but I’m not sure that’s going to help a player get through a slump and perform.

    exactly how i feel

  4. Carlo October 15th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Baseball is a game of failure. Succcess is cheered. Failure is usually met with no response. Epic failure and failing at record breaking level is met with boos. Its a very basic, very fair, very reasonable approach.

    Players want to be cheered for success, paid big money which the fans indirectly pay for, and then be glossed over when they epically fail?

    Crazy.

  5. mick October 15th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    The fans are there to see them win. If they boo, just look at it as the only way they can communicate with them that they are sad. They might take it personally and that is their problem. As long as they don’t throw things …

  6. Chip October 15th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    Swisher should shut his mouth.

    He’s been awful at the plate – along with the rest of the offense – and he still walks around with that dopey grin on his face.

    Look, we all know that players don’t take the game as personally as the fans do; to them it’s a job and that’s the way it should be. But they are just atrocious right now and the fans have the right to voice that opinion.

    I know the standard thinking from players is “well I don’t come to your office and boo you” and my response is that line of thinking is poo. I don’t work in the public spotlight, I don’t enjoy the fame or fortune that a player does; if I did and if I stunk then you would have every right to boo me. If that’s the worst thing you have to put up with for the perks that come from playing professional sports for a living, then you get no pity from me and should keep your mouth shut. My adulation or revulsion should not impact the way you go about your business. And if being booed by the Bleacher Creatures causes such heartache for Swisher – then I suggest he seek employment elsewhere this winter.

  7. Chip October 15th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    For the record I think the Yankees will sign Cano; not because it is the right move, but because it is the Yankee way. Cashman is very predictable in that he’s going to make the least imaginative move.

    Rather than dealing a star player to build for the future he’s going to sign him, just as rather than give a prospect a chance to develop he’s going to deal that guy for an established player.

  8. CountryClub October 15th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    I’m not a fan that boos…ever. But I don’t judge people that do.

    And if there was ever a justifiable time to boo, the past 5 home games are it. I havent looked at stats or anything, but I’m pretty sure the fans in the stadium are witnessing a good offense play historically bad baseball.

    Thier approach is what’s most maddening.

  9. Locke October 15th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    I’ve never booed a home team at any sporting event – it isn’t fair to try to share in the teams high points and then try to distance yourself when they are struggling.

    BUT, these past two games have been horrendous. This is like watching 2004, or the first two games of 1996, it just makes me feel sick. If there was ever a time I could understand booing the home team it would be this weekend.

  10. jacksquat October 15th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    I missed that ball in the lights

    On a low line drive, right, this might be part of it, I’d imagine most people especially New Yorkers don’t like bulls******s.

  11. Patrick October 15th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    Repost:

    Chip,

    If Martin is the best catching option out there, so be it. But I am hoping Cashman can make a trade for a catcher, we don’t know what the trade market will look like yet. If Martin is the only option, sign him for 1 year or 1 year and an option at the most.

    I agree that the Yankees should not sign Granderson to a long term deal but they still have a $13 million team option on him for 2013. There aren’t many players out there that can hit 40 HR and play CF and can be had for $13 million. I think Cashman will stick with Grandy for another season and let him go at the end of 2013.

    Almonte is not an option, he’s not good at all. I would be shocked if he could even play at replacement level in the majors.

    Mike Morse? Seriously? He’s a terrible fielder, low OBP… I wouldn’t give anything to get him. Parra and Kubel are mediocre players as well. Cashman needs to focus on getting guys that can get on base. We don’t need any more all or nothing hitters. Same thing with Hairston. Good power, god awful OBP.

    I think you let Swisher go, pick up Granderson’s option, put Gardner in LF and sign Ichiro to a 1 or 2 year deal to start in RF. Hamilton would be a terrible signing so I think the Yanks should stick with short term contracts in the OF for the time being. Hopefully in 1 or 2 seasons Mason Williams is ready to come up and start. Ichiro has shown enough as a Yankee that I want him back, and we could really use the speed, defense and average he brings to the table.

    I know a lot of fans want to make wholesale changes this offseason due to the way the team performed in the playoffs, but I don’t think there is much flexibility for Cashman to do so unless he can find some amazing trades. Teixeira and A-rod’s contracts really hamstring this team for the next 4-5 years.

  12. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    P.S. Swisher should also have caught Cabrera’s foul pop up late in the game…he overran it and jumped when he didn’t need to…opened the door to their 3rd run thanks to 2012 Joba ineffectiveness. O’Neill would have made all three of those catches in his hat…I’d even bet Mondesi makes those or gulp, Steve Kemp

  13. cs in la October 15th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    I never understood booing either, its just lame to boo your own players. For some reason, fans (in NY and Boston especially) think that money correlates to being able to boo them – the more money they make, the more its ok to boo them when they dont do well. Just don’t get that. Maybe we should boo Cashman instead then.

    We need these guys to play well, and they’re not going to play well if we try some sort of negative reinforcement.

  14. DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    So I gotta listen to a MILLIONAIRE Whine about getting ragged on for NOT doing his job???? Laughable Garbage from a player that hopefully will be doing his schtick somewhere else in 2013.

  15. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    We have this conversation like once a season (boooooo) and I get in trouble for it every time..

    ——————————————————

    ” Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    And on we move to the bottom of the 73rd, where the Tigers continue to lead the Yankees 3-0

    This Train…..oh…this train…..”

    Blog question time… which makes Springsteen more polarizing: Pete Abe or TBS?

  16. CountryClub October 15th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    If they can get Cano for 5 or 6 yrs, they should sign him. If he insists on 7 or 8, they should let him walk. I figure he has 2 elite years left in him and 2 more very good ones. After that. they’ll be pressing their luck.

  17. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    “That’s the last thing that I ever thought would be in this ballpark, that people would get on you that bad,” Swisher said.

    —————-

    Swisher signed here YEARS after Alex… do these guys even know what team they’re playing for?

  18. Frozen Rope II October 15th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Isn’t baseball a business? Booing is part of it, if you don’t like it wipe the smirk off, show some accountability, and quit hamming it up when the team is getting killed

  19. Locke October 15th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    jacksquat October 15th, 2012 at 11:32 am
    I missed that ball in the lights

    On a low line drive, right, this might be part of it, I’d imagine most people especially New Yorkers don’t like bulls******s.

    ————————–

    Alex is an aging player who always tries hard and says the right things. I hate it when everybody boos him.

    Swisher hasn’t done anything in the post season, makes excuses, and argues with the home plate umpire. If he doesn’t show the umpires and other team respect, why does he expect more from the fans?

  20. G. Love October 15th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    I think Swisher’s being a wee too sensitive because maybe he knows the fans are right.

    That said, I never boo. I’m more of an “Aw, come on man!” reacter in the stands.

    Booing is just an odd thing to do and when I watch other people do it, they look foolish. It also scares little kids to watch adults boo. If you ever look at their faces they look frightened.

  21. gemmaTmorrow October 15th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    This sums up how I feel about the booing exactly.

    I was at the game yesterday and the amount of booing is embarrassing. There was no rallying or building up for the players. Even when the starting lineup was announced, the only noise was for Raul. Nothing can be blamed on the fans, but the fans do play a role. Booing players who are already stuck in a rut is not going to help them play better. Sitting and waiting to see how each player is going to manage to make an out prior to each at-bat is not going to help them hit better. There’s no way these guys WANT to lose and WANT to be representing themselves and their team this way and while the fact they are is depressing and even exhausting, the fans need to step up their end as well. Make noise, rally around them, show support, be LOUD. It’s pretty sad that this team is probably happy to get on the road.

  22. jacksquat October 15th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    Pete Abe is irrelevant.

  23. Patrick October 15th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    I would sign Cano to any deal 8 years or less. I would not go above 8 years though. That would keep him in pinstripes up through his age 38 season. I think for a player like Cano who is likely to retain most of his ability as he ages, that is a pretty reasonable deal.

  24. bruceb October 15th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    As a person, I love Nick Swisher. He’s bright, bubbly, energetic and positive.

    As a player during the regular season, I love watching Nick Swisher. He has his slumps but he also has his fair share of game-winning hits. And he’s not too shabby in right field either.

    As a player during the post season, I can’t stand the sight of Nick Swisher. He becomes bogged down by the weight of his own – and the fans’ – expectations. His happy-go-lucky attitude just doesn’t work when the heat is on and baseball becomes a serious business.

    I won’t boo Nick Swisher. Overall, he has been good for New York and New York has been good for him. He won’t be leaving us with too many memories of derring do in October. But that’s not for the want of trying.

    Re-signing “Swishermisses” would be a mistake. The love affair is over. But, hey, keep in touch Nick. I, for one, still love ya!

  25. Frozen Rope II October 15th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    To be honest, I’ve never understood the booing. Not for the home team. Not when the crowd wants them to play well
    ______
    Spoken like a true mid westerner.

    Booing is fair game the personal comments are out of line however, thats still a person out there in right field

  26. cs in la October 15th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Yelling obscenities and threats at your own player? Yeah, that’s cool.

  27. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Is it OK to boo Jeff Kellogg? I mean, he was trying, and our booing won’t make him more effective either…

  28. SabathiaWouldBeGoodAtTheEighthToo October 15th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Booing is an emotional reaction. Fans are emotionally invested in the game and the outcome. You get both the highs and the lows.

    Swisher seems to have mentally checked out. He let Delmon Young’s pop up fall 3 feet in front of him on Sat when he could have doubled off Cabrera. He lost a ball in the lights? At home? In the playoffs? Who does that? Both of those plays allowed tie-breaking runs to score. Add to the fact that he is not only struggling at the plate, but he seems to have no plan, no ideas about what to do up there. Taking fat pitches down the middle and swinging at stuff off the plate. Has he too been seduced by that RF porch? He used to be a great OBP guy with some pop. He seems to have traded 10s of points off his OBP in exchange for 3-5 HR per year. Not a smart long-term plan. Really, I think they should sit Swisher and play Gardner. He couldn’t do worse at the plate, especially with his wheels and the Tigers infield defense, and he is a spectacular defender. IN that big OF at Tiger Stadium (or whatever it is now) and OF of Ichiro, Granderson and Gardner could save a ton of hits.

  29. djsunyc October 15th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 11:29 am
    don’t care to or want to read any more interviews with players about what they have to do

    just effin do it and stop talking about it already

    I mean, I know you have to say something when the microphones are in your face, but we’re not idiots

    ————

    actually, we are. booing and talking trash to swisher WHILE HE’S PLAYING THE GAME is pretty damn idiotic.

  30. Chip October 15th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Patrick -

    I hear what you’re saying, but in addition to guys who are able to get on base I’m interested in guys who are able to make contact.

    Curtis Granderson is the worst 40 HR hitter I’ve ever seen. Forget the ability to get on base, the guy can’t even make a productive out at this point. Parra’s very young (25) and a very solid defensive player for LF (if you move Gardner to CF to replace Granderson); I could take or leave Kubel because he is, as you said, not good defensively, does strike out a lot – but the team will need LH power in their lineup at some point and, IMO, I would rather go with him than Granderson at this point.

    The other option would be let Swisher go, decline the option on Granderson (or deal him for something) and then try to bring back Ichiro and sign Hunter – makes for a very old team, but Hunter is still productive and still good defensively as a corner option.

    I haven’t seen Almonte outside of spring training and all my “scouting” is from reading box scores in Trenton – the reports are all the same – that he’s got potential but needs to do better at pitch recognition. As I said, give him a shot. Don’t pin your hopes to him.

  31. DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    You don’t do your job at work, you get told about it. Booing Swisher is the same thing. And that ball NEVER got high enough to get into the lights. Swisher just aint man enough to admit he blew that play All by his lonesome. No leadership being displayed by either Swisher or Cano.

  32. JobaTipsHisCap October 15th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    most of so called fans in Stadium are morons.
    they can’t even boo rightly.

  33. Chambliss October 15th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    I suppose that they are human, but professional athletes who get paid millions of dollars to play a kids game should not complain when they get booed for performing poorly. If you went to a concert and the performer stunk, you would have every right to boo. If the Yankee hitters were a rock band, they would be forgetting the lyrics and missing their notes, and the fans would let them have it.

    Cano hit a ball back to the mound yesterday and was trotting down the line when the pitcher underhanded the ball from about 15 feet to first. If Cano had been going full tilt out of the box, it might have been a tough play. Swisher hit a liner to second and he almost stopped running. The second baseman dropped the ball and Swisher started running hard again.

    I know that the players are down and frustrated, but that should make them more determined, not less. And its not just about physical effort. How about mental effort? Take Granderson for example. Swinging for the fence every time, even with two strikes. I know that he had 43 homers in the regular season, but that is irrelevant. In so many situations all they needed was a baserunner a ground ball or a pop fly, NOT a homer. The attitude appears to be: the heck with common sense. I am going up there and see if I can get lucky and run into one. If not, too bad. I know that Ichiro is unique, but do any of these guys watch him hit? Sure, he goes for power sometimes, but a lot of the time, he just looks to make contact. The same is true by the way with Cabrera who is being touted as the best hitter in the game. I really don’t get it. I guess they are just stubborn. This is how I have done it and this is what has worked for me in the past so I am going to just keep going up there trying to hit bombs. Well, guess what guys, it ain’t working, and if you don’t make some changes quickly, you’re going home.

  34. ConcernedCitizen October 15th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    I don’t boo the hometeam ever, but Swisher sounds like he’s preparing for getting the money he wants, and he’ll just use this as an excuse for leaving. If Swish really loves the Yankees and playing in the Bronx, he’ll take whatever we may offer him, right?

    Also, Chad, you and I both know why the crowd was booing. We look horrendous out there. The Tigers are owning us and say what you want, but they shouldn’t be. This team had the best record in the American League, and played their hearts out in September. Watching them squander this opportunity is more painful than anything else. Hence the booing.

  35. Mike in Harrisburg October 15th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    Would I boo if I were at the stadium during this run? Probably not. I never saw the point in booing your own guys for anything other than lazy play.

    I don’t necessarily sympathize with Swisher but I think it is reasonable to argue the players may feel like they are walking on eggshells in the Stadium and it is contributing to them overthinking and playing poorly.

    I would say the environment at the Stadium is more expectant than supportive and that isn’t going to help guys settle down who are already fraying at the edges.

    But in the end they are paid millions of dollars to perform in the postseason, one way or the other.

  36. ConcernedCitizen October 15th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    *not getting the money he wants

  37. Patrick October 15th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Chip,

    I agree that Granderson doesn’t fit my philosophy of high OBP. But, I just don’t see an outfielder out there that will be available for 1 year $13 million and be able to play CF and hit 40 HR. Don’t forget, in 2011 he hit over .260 had a .364 OBP, still hit 40 HR, etc. He had a worse year in 2012 but we can’t just throw out the 2011 results.

    I notice a lot of the players you target hit for slightly above average power and good average but have very weak OBP. This is always going to be a point where we diverge. I would much rather build a team with high on-base.

    No on Hunter, yes on Ichiro.

  38. RadioKev October 15th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    I’m with you Chad. I don’t like the negative energy it brings to the game, your team, and your home city, to boo the guys.

  39. CountryClub October 15th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    8 years for Cano would be silly. Just as they’re getting rid of Arod, Cano would step in to fill the void. They have to stop signing those kinds of contracts.

  40. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    I agree that players should only typically be booed for laziness, which would be more clear when a guy is playing in the field or running to first base. But in this case, I think alot of posters are being way too nice. The Yankees HAVE been guilty of being lazy, lazy at the plate. Normally I’d caution myself – how the heck would you know this? You’re not a player…
    But in this case the numbers tell us what we need to know…these multiple simultaneous slumps don’t last this long unless guys are too lazy to change their mode of attack in the batters box.
    My two cents…make it three, I’m feeling generous today

  41. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    “Cano hit a ball back to the mound yesterday and was trotting down the line when the pitcher underhanded the ball from about 15 feet to first. If Cano had been going full tilt out of the box, it might have been a tough play. Swisher hit a liner to second and he almost stopped running. The second baseman dropped the ball and Swisher started running hard again.

    I know that the players are down and frustrated, but that should make them more determined, not less. ”

    Chambliss – Please start commenting again more.. this exactly. These were some of the things driving me nuts yesterday that the guys in the booth didn’t comment on. Look, maybe you can understand not running out a grounder in some national league game in the middle of June…. but in the words of Gob Bluth: COME ON!

    This is the playoffs man… go big or go home.

  42. lvand805 October 15th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    oh boy Chad, you really opened the proverbial can of worms on this one…LOL. but hey, that’s what a blog’s all about, right?

    i honestly still can’t bring myself to booing my team, no matter how bad they are playing. I agree 100% that if it’s a lack of hustle or something like that, sure. Otherwise, I honestly don’t think it changes anything. If it makes you feel better, fine, but ultimately, I don’t see how it really makes a difference.

    djsunyc said it well:

    “actually, we are. booing and talking trash to swisher WHILE HE’S PLAYING THE GAME is pretty damn idiotic.”

  43. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    This is what I posted in the last thread to explain the boo: “If the fans are going to be made miserable by the team, the team is going to be made miserable by the fans. It’s sort of like how it was living with my mother…”

  44. CountryClub October 15th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Granderson shouldn’t be playing CF next yr. They need to move him to a corner (if they don’t trade him).

  45. jacksquat October 15th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    Handling of boos:

    Arod: A
    Swisher: F

  46. DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Cano and Swish NOT running out balls is horse shi., as is Girardi getting ejected 5 minutes After the blown call at 2B. This Yankee team is a Perfect reflection of Girardi.

  47. BobbyJones October 15th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Your the Worst worst season performer and u dont expect to be booed? gimme a break, this guy is a joke

  48. KJ October 15th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    IMO, booing is not only counterproductive but could also keep players from signing with the Yankees or from wanting to stay in NY. The Yanks are obviously no longer the only choice for free agents wanting to sign with a team with a chance to win, and the hostile environment on display in the playoffs could easily make some players choose to head for a team with a more supportive fan base. Sadly, without the booing there’s really not a whole lot of other noise coming from the Stadium anymore, and not just in the postseason.

  49. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Ever game I’ve been to/seen lately, I’d also like to point out the fans are cheering when guys names are called up to the plate…. they just get hammered after.

  50. Patrick October 15th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    8 years for Cano would be silly. Just as they’re getting rid of Arod, Cano would step in to fill the void. They have to stop signing those kinds of contracts.

    1. A-rod is 37 right now, if you give Cano an 8 year contract his last year would be when he’s 38. He will likely get worse as the contract gets towards it’s end but we won’t be stuck with 5 years >$100 million like we are with A-rod.

    2. Cano would be unlikely to sign if you don’t give him 8 years. Maybe you can get him for 7? I doubt it. If you are willing to let him walk just be aware, the Yankees will probably not make the playoffs in 2014 or 2015. Are you ok with that?

  51. DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Any Millionaire ballplayer that whines about being booed should be relegated to 3rd shift at the nearest 7-11.

  52. JM October 15th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Booing a guy because he’s not hitting is one thing (I’m not into it but I can understand the frustration). Yelling out to him that he caused Jeter’s injury is silly and counter-productive. Do the fans think that will make Swish magically play better?

  53. RadioKev October 15th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    It just seems mean spirited out there to be booing a guy who’s trying and not getting results. I understand it’s frustrating, all of us Yankee fans are frustrated, but these aren’t bad guys. It seems like a really good locker room with everyone trying day in and day out.

    Baseball fans have to realize that it isn’t a one to one ratio of effort to results.

  54. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Every*.. bah.

  55. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    P.S. is McGuire that good of a hitting coach that the Cards under his watch continue to steamroll even the best playoff rotations?

  56. arsenelupin3 October 15th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Sat in 104 Saturday night. Row 19, seats 13 and 14. If anyone found my other sock puppet mitten, let me know.

    A few of the worse heckles of Swisher actually came from a guy about 7 seats from me. The kid who got the Raul homer was about 30 feet away, too. He was happy as hell about it, but that’s besides the point.

    Swisher botched two plays that night and did pretty much nothing at the plate. You’ve gotta expect some of what he got as an athlete in New York. I did hear him get guilted for the Jeter thing, which was beyond the line, but merely the opinion of one drunken fan out of probably 30000. I yelled at him to shake his ass once, too, but that is also besides the point.

    To be honest, there was one guy who tried to get a pretty negative chant started and he got shot down by a girl in the stands. EVERYONE was on their feet for AROD, etc, when the bases were loaded. EVERYONE was on their feet for every at-bat in the 9th, 10th, and 11th.

    Of course, when I say EVERYONE.. keep in mind that section 104 was also only about 50% filled. There were about 8 people in the 10 or so rows behind us. Absolutely pathetic turnout, and you can’t just blame the fans. $171+fees for outfield seats. They are pricing people out to the point where no one is showing up. Those same seats went for $54 on the aftermarket. Something ain’t right.

  57. DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Cano should NOT be re-signed. The $$$ required to get him back, should be reserved for players that will play a leadership role. Cano is NO LEADER.

  58. Patrick October 15th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Cano should NOT be re-signed. The $$$ required to get him back, should be reserved for players that will play a leadership role. Cano is NO LEADER.

    Chad can we please implement an ignore function this blog? Pleaaaaasssee!!!

  59. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Raise your hand if you’ve ever asked Swish to “shake his ass”

  60. jacksquat October 15th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    I’ll give Cano 8 if one of those years is 2013 because he signs this offseason. After 2013, 7 years tops. They have to stop getting into situations where they are paying old guys 20+ mil, especially with Hal controlling the money instead of George.

  61. BobbyJones October 15th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Booing a guy because he’s not hitting is one thing (I’m not into it but I can understand the frustration). Yelling out to him that he caused Jeter’s injury is silly and counter-productive. Do the fans think that will make Swish magically play better?
    ——————-
    this guy had his chances in past postseason where he wasnt booed did it really help no he still remain the worst postseason hitter. They r paid millions of dollars to play this game and fans pay alot of see the game, they have the right to boo if the offense is this disgraceful

  62. BobbyJones October 15th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Cano and Granderson for Matt Kemp

  63. djsunyc October 15th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Of course, when I say EVERYONE.. keep in mind that section 104 was also only about 50% filled. There were about 8 people in the 10 or so rows behind us. Absolutely pathetic turnout, and you can’t just blame the fans. $171+fees for outfield seats. They are pricing people out to the point where no one is showing up. Those same seats went for $54 on the aftermarket. Something ain’t right.

    ———-

    well it’s a bad cycle. you have long term success and fans expect it. you build a brand new stadium b/c you have to. but with the new stadium and crazy payroll, someone has to help pay for it. now if fans stop showing up and they start losing gate $$$’s, then the end result will probably mean lowering team payroll…which then may result in less wins…which then may result in less fans and you have a pretty bad cycle. unfortunately, the first people cut are not the players but employees behind the scenes.

    with all that said, they again led the AL in attendance this year. it’s a tourist ticket. come visit ny and go watch a yankee game. it will always be that as long as the team is somewhat competetive. empty rows of seats in the playoffs don’t really hurt the 3 mil plus attending for 162 games.

  64. DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Just looking at the TV pans of the stadium tells me the announced attendance numbers are Bogus. Boston has done this the Entire season, and I would guess that other teams are doing likewise. MLB has got their own version of Enron going on here.

  65. RSM October 15th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Believe me, the fans would rather be cheering.
    The team has given them nothing to cheer about.
    The offense hasn’t been bad, it has been abysmal!!

  66. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    arsenelupin3 October 15th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    To be honest, there was one guy who tried to get a pretty negative chant started and he got shot down by a girl in the stands. EVERYONE was on their feet for AROD, etc, when the bases were loaded. EVERYONE was on their feet for every at-bat in the 9th, 10th, and 11th.

    ——————-

    Agree completely.. fans were also on their feet whenever there were 2 strikes on any batter and/or two outs. The fans, lower bowl to uppers, have been very into the games. I don’t care what anyone writes. When you’re there, you see it.

    The difference is this is a fan base prepared to lose, where we used to have a fan base that expected to win (even if you were down 3-4 runs in the late innings).

  67. djsunyc October 15th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    jacksquat October 15th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
    I’ll give Cano 8 if one of those years is 2013 because he signs this offseason. After 2013, 7 years tops. They have to stop getting into situations where they are paying old guys 20+ mil, especially with Hal controlling the money instead of George.

    ———

    no offense but in reality, no player should ever be signed for 7 years in FA. just doesn’t make sense.

  68. DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    Anybody on this Blog believe Cano is a Leader???? Speak up.

  69. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    djsunyc October 15th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Of course, when I say EVERYONE.. keep in mind that section 104 was also only about 50% filled. There were about 8 people in the 10 or so rows behind us. Absolutely pathetic turnout, and you can’t just blame the fans. $171+fees for outfield seats. They are pricing people out to the point where no one is showing up. Those same seats went for $54 on the aftermarket. Something ain’t right.

    ———-

    well it’s a bad cycle. you have long term success and fans expect it. you build a brand new stadium b/c you have to. but with the new stadium and crazy payroll, someone has to help pay for it.

    Uh… we already did. The Yankees did not build Yankee Stadium lol. It’s the House the Taxpayers Built.

  70. Bring in the Goose October 15th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    RadioKev October 15th, 2012 at 11:56 am
    It just seems mean spirited out there to be booing a guy who’s trying and not getting results. I understand it’s frustrating, all of us Yankee fans are frustrated, but these aren’t bad guys. It seems like a really good locker room with everyone trying day in and day out.

    Baseball fans have to realize that it isn’t a one to one ratio of effort to results.

    —————————

    Great post.

    Its just a game. I vent on this blog all the time. But booing and expressing hate and vitriol at the player within earshot is messed up, plain and simple.

    This is a fun, energetic team that is in the midst of a baffling slump. Booing is not building confidence amongst these guys.

  71. joeman October 15th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    I would do Cano for King

  72. CountryClub October 15th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Patrick,

    History is unkind to elite 2nd baseman in their early 30′s, never mind their late 30′s. Of course, he could be the one player to buck the trend and play at a high level at 35+. But the odds are much more likely that he has a few high end yrs left in him and then he falls off a cliff.

    I also dont agree that no Cano means no playoffs. But that’s just my opinion.

  73. BobbyJones October 15th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    This offense has been beyond pathetic, they deserve all the boos they get

  74. BobbyJones October 15th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    Cano and Granderson for Kemp then maybe Convince them to take Arod too

  75. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    Yes – Cano for Bernard King!!

  76. arsenelupin3 October 15th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    djsunyc: I was at the Boston Raul game, too. They posted 41.7k or something for attendance that night. I’m just not sure where they get some of their attendance figures from. The tickets must be getting sold, but that was certainly not the number of fans that came through the gate on that night.

  77. jacksquat October 15th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    djsunyc October 15th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
    jacksquat October 15th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
    I’ll give Cano 8 if one of those years is 2013 because he signs this offseason. After 2013, 7 years tops. They have to stop getting into situations where they are paying old guys 20+ mil, especially with Hal controlling the money instead of George.

    ———

    no offense but in reality, no player should ever be signed for 7 years in FA. just doesn’t make sense.

    I agree with you as a matter of principle, but you also have to consider reality. Someone will pay Cano through age 36/37. If you have to keep him, you have be competitive. Just don’t go overboard.

  78. joeman October 15th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    thats right Benard King

  79. Patrick October 15th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    no offense but in reality, no player should ever be signed for 7 years in FA. just doesn’t make sense.

    Why not? Many teams have been willing to hand these types of contracts out. If you want to get premium talent via free agency you have to be willing to commit to very long term contracts. As fans we wish this weren’t the case because more times than not these kind of contracts don’t work out. But if you want players like Sabathia, Teixeira, A-rod, etc you have to be willing to sign them for huge deals. It’s just what the market dictates.

    If you don’t want to spend big on Cano you have to deal with the likely possibility that the Yankees won’t make the playoffs for 2014 and beyond

  80. Bo knows October 15th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    In any job where professionals are involved there is an unspoken contract. Perform as a professional, that is what you are paid for. Take a man’s money, do the man a job. Failure to do so invokes penalties. Swisher has failed to live up to that contract. Supposedly losing a line drive in the lights is whimping out. In the immortal words of Boston. “Sack up”

    PS
    That throw behind the runner to 2B that was ruled safe, was a quality play.

  81. Patrick October 15th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    I also dont agree that no Cano means no playoffs. But that’s just my opinion.

    He is literally the only legitimately great hitter left on the team. Who replaces that production? What 2B replaces him?

    I think people are vastly underestimating how important Cano is to the Yankees.

  82. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    The LF for Detroit said it best. This is an easy place to play now, because we have loser fans that turn on their own players in the playoffs.

    Kudos morons who boo… you’ve taken away the one advantage this team truly had all these years.

  83. blake October 15th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    Like the Captain says…..they boo but they really want to cheer……

    The Yankees need to do something for them to cheer about

  84. Doc Iac October 15th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    ‘Dont doubt us….dont count us out’ – A-Rod

    The series ends after one team wins 4 games not 2…

  85. joeman October 15th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    I’m not booing or cheering…just waiting for a crazy off season

  86. Against All Odds October 15th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    cs in la October 15th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Yelling obscenities and threats at your own player? Yeah, that’s cool.

    ———————————–

    Exactly does anyone honestly think all they did was boo.

  87. Bring in the Goose October 15th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    If the close calls went the Yankees way in both games, and they get 1,2 more hits with RISP, we are at least tied in this series, maybe even up 2-0.

    Its been closer than many realize.

    Arod’s ball gets through, Cano’s shot slips past Fister, and we’re winning Game 1.

    The bar is set so high with this organization, that even the fans are buying ownership’s bulls$%t of “nothing less than the WS”.

  88. jacksquat October 15th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    if you want players like Sabathia, Teixeira, A-rod, etc you have to be willing to sign them for huge deals

    Arod’s second deal was ridiculous and unnecessary. They bid against themselves. No one else was coming anywhere near what the Yankees agreed to.

    Teixeira is only signed through age 36.

    CC is only signed through age 36.

    You have to draw the line or you will always end up with too many bad deals. Limiting Cano’s contract to through age 37 is very reasonable. 38 crosses the line imo.

  89. Against All Odds October 15th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    joeman October 15th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    I’m not booing or cheering…just waiting for a crazy off season

    —————————

    Crazy off season??? Not with this team

  90. CountryClub October 15th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    He is literally the only legitimately great hitter left on the team. Who replaces that production? What 2B replaces him?

    I think people are vastly underestimating how important Cano is to the Yankees.

    ——————

    I dont underestimate him at all. He’s played at a HOF level for a few yrs in a row now. I just dont think it will last and dont want to see them pay him 22+ mil for the 4 or 5 years at the back end of an 8 yr deal when he’s going to be a shell.

    I’d rather they take that money and invest it more wisely.

    If they can get him for 5, or at the most, 6 years, I’d be fine with it. You could live with 1 or 2 down years. But 3 or 4 down years at that kind of money? No thanks.

  91. jacksquat October 15th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
    The LF for Detroit said it best. This is an easy place to play now, because we have loser fans that turn on their own players in the playoffs.

    That’s not what was said. The comments were about the lack of noise. Geez…

  92. joeman October 15th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Against All Odds October 15th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
    joeman October 15th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    I’m not booing or cheering…just waiting for a crazy off season

    —————————

    Crazy off season??? Not with this team

    ——————————————–
    lots of pending FA’& options..trust this will be fun

  93. jacksquat October 15th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    Against All Odds October 15th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
    cs in la October 15th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Yelling obscenities and threats at your own player? Yeah, that’s cool.

    ———————————–

    Exactly does anyone honestly think all they did was boo.

    Most people only boo, yes. A few crazies shouldn’t be representative of the fans any more than a few crazies are representative of this blog.

  94. joeman October 15th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    get me A Pagan to play CF

  95. DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    And how about that HP Umps’s K calls on Cano in the 9th??? Absolutely atrocious, and possibly vindictive.

  96. Phranchise October 15th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Well not only buying ownership’s BS, but the media is all over guys calling them bums. So how are the fans going to react when everything they read makes it seem like these guys aren’t trying? I think that part is the big difference. Small market, maybe more casual. Here, the media influences people a lot, the amount of money it costs to go to games and the amount of money these guys make. I would say most Yankees fans live and die with the games. I know I do. It’s not entertainment to me. I play sports, am competitive, play to win, it’s the same when watching them. I don’t boo and think it’s absurd as we stated. But you can definitely see where it comes from. And someone like Jeter needs to say something if it’s an issue, not Swisher.

  97. Carlo October 15th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
    The LF for Detroit said it best. This is an easy place to play now, because we have loser fans that turn on their own players in the playoffs.

    Kudos morons who boo? you?ve taken away the one advantage this team truly had all these years.

    ——————————-

    Hahahaha. Ok, bro.

  98. CountryClub October 15th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Anyway, the Cano discussion can be put on hold for at least 2 more days.

    Hopefully they shock the world and smack Verlander around tomorrow. They’ve done it before.

  99. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    It will shock the world if they get more than 3 hits

  100. Against All Odds October 15th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    jacksquat October 15th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    Against All Odds October 15th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
    cs in la October 15th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Yelling obscenities and threats at your own player? Yeah, that’s cool.

    ———————————–

    Exactly does anyone honestly think all they did was boo.

    Most people only boo, yes. A few crazies shouldn’t be representative of the fans any more than a few crazies are representative of this blog.

    ——————————

    It shouldn’t but that’s the way it is….guilt by association.

  101. DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    When Cano Fails to Run to 1B, he aint trying. When Cano Fails to dive for a grounder, late inna game, with a runner at 2B, he aint trying. No Way you reward this type of attitude with an extension.

  102. blake October 15th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    The Yankees should sign Cano if they are also willing to do what’s necessary to replace his production when he starts to decline…. They haven’t been willing to do this with Arod

  103. joeman October 15th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    the new park is no where as loud as the old one

  104. arsenelupin3 October 15th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    For what it’s worth, I didn’t hear any threats yelled on Saturday and it was pretty quiet during the top half of the innings.

  105. BobbyJones October 15th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    CountryClub October 15th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Anyway, the Cano discussion can be put on hold for at least 2 more days.

    Hopefully they shock the world and smack Verlander around tomorrow. They’ve done it before.
    —————————–
    They better, a guy like Verlander u have to get him in the 1st inning. If u let him settle down, it would be over.

  106. jacksquat October 15th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Any player that can’t handle simple booing or “you suck”‘s and even the occassional crazy shouldn’t be on this team. I question his emotional strength and maturity.

    Arod handled it well, Swisher did not.

  107. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Patrick October 15th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    I also dont agree that no Cano means no playoffs. But that’s just my opinion.

    He is literally the only legitimately great hitter left on the team. Who replaces that production? What 2B replaces him?

    I think people are vastly underestimating how important Cano is to the Yankees.
    ///

    Agree, Patrick. And I’d give him 8 years. If they insisted on 10, I’d probably split the difference and give him that ninth year. They have to do it.

    People also forget he’s a LHB in Yankee Stadium. He has a ton of power, he’s just not pull oriented generally. But he could certainly become so, if necessary, and be a fine LHDH in his latter years. Cano has serious power.

  108. Patrick October 15th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Arod’s second deal was ridiculous and unnecessary. They bid against themselves. No one else was coming anywhere near what the Yankees agreed to.

    Teixeira is only signed through age 36.

    CC is only signed through age 36.

    You have to draw the line or you will always end up with too many bad deals. Limiting Cano’s contract to through age 37 is very reasonable. 38 crosses the line imo.

    I agree that A-rod’s second deal was awful. You can thank Hank Steinbrenner for that disaster. If you recall, A-rod called Hank directly and negotiated the deal. Ugh…

    CC has a vesting option that will keep him on the team through his age 37 season. My point with CC and Teix is that you have to agree to a lot of years to get premium talent; and accept the risks that entails. We can see both ends of the spectrum looking at these two deals. CC is still going strong and there is no indication that he’s going to slow down any time soon. Teix on the other hand began his decline in his age 30 season. That contract is looking insanely bad right now.

  109. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    I don;t think the fans are suddenly hushed…I think its the layout of the stadium, no? The bowls instead of the steep Boston Garden-esque decks? Noise doesn;t get held in as well, or funnelled to the field. Even when the Yanks sucked in the 80s, any Sunday afternoon sellout seemed earsplitting at times.

  110. Yanksgal07 October 15th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    I was at the games on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Yankee fans and the mob mentality at the Stadium have become a complete embarrassment (not to mention the empty seats at each game…I never thought I’d see that day at Yankee Stadium). The only game that the fans really showed some excitement was the Friday game because it was a clinching game. The “Playoff” Baltimore fans put the Yankee fans to shame in the Series. I’m sure the Detroit fans will too. I totally agree with Chad in wondering what people think booing is going to do except maybe make the players press harder to try and appease the fan base. I guess too much winning has made this fan base more blase and less passionate trying to support them through the hard times as well as the good. Also …the younger generation has been fortunate to witness so many playoff years that there is a sense of entitlement and they don’t understand just how hard it is to make it year in and year out …no matter how much money is invested in the team. Believe me …I have not been happy with the losses and yesterday’s game was downright dismal but I am one to never boo my own players. The other thing is not just the booing but the vulgar language that some “fans” feel it’s ok to display without giving one thought to those around them.

    All that said …here’s to the Yankees getting back on track and giving all of us something to cheer about. I know it doesn’t look good right now but you never know…

    GOOOOOOOO YANKEES !!!!

  111. blake October 15th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    If the Yanks can beat Verlander tomorrow I think they could win the series…..but them scoring enough runs off him doesn’t seem all that likely right now

  112. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    blake October 15th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    The Yankees should sign Cano if they are also willing to do what’s necessary to replace his production when he starts to decline…. They haven’t been willing to do this with Arod
    ///

    Do we even know that they noticed Alex’s decline? :roll: It’s like they never saw it coming.

  113. DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    People rightfully rag Swish for his horrid Playoff performances, and yet Cano Now holds the record with his 0-25. Stop the sacred cow routine.

  114. joeman October 15th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    of all the playoff games they have played this season, they couldn’t hit any of the SP, what makes anyone think they can score off Verlander…keep dreaming

  115. Phranchise October 15th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    When you are really into it as well, you don’t need to see Cano joking with Cabrera at 2B after those other runs came home in the 8th. But can’t say it’s unique to him, Jeter was doing it late with Austin Jackson in game 1.

    This generation of Yankees fans are very accustomed to the 90s Yanks. Paul O’Niel you could see the frustration and determination. The Rocket was done right angry (now we know why). Chuck Knobs, David Cone. There was an entisity, confidence, emotion and toughness.

    These Yankees sit in the dugout. We keep hearing about the confidence and it being a good thing. To me they all looking like they are lost waiting for someone to do something before I see any confidence coming from the whole team. And whether it’s rally hats, or the little Orioles team huddle int he dugout or something, Yankee fans want to see some signs of life from a payroll of this size.

  116. BobbyJones October 15th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    You just cant have 4 gigantic holes in the lineup and expect to win

  117. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    blake, I think they’ll play better in Detroit. Sure, if they pull to 2-1, it’s a series again.

    PLAY NUNEY!!!

    Good one, all.

  118. Purenyyankee October 15th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    Like I said before. Buck Showalter said it best when he was managing: “People don’t come here to see the Yankees play. They come to see the Yankees win!” That’s the bottomline. I go to a ton of games and spend a bundle of money. I’m 90 miles away from Yankee Stadium and went to all 5 games in 5 days. I’m furious with this offensive effort and every culprit deserves to get an earful. If you can’t take it, LEAVE. See if its better in Boston or Philly. Wake up and show some Yankee Pride, instead of laying down like a bunch of dogs.

  119. joeman October 15th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    when did Arods juice problem come to the forefront with this team and then look at when his injuries had started & stats took a drve

  120. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    When you are really into it as well, you don’t need to see Cano joking with Cabrera at 2B after those other runs came home in the 8th. But can’t say it’s unique to him, Jeter was doing it late with Austin Jackson in game 1.
    ///

    These guys are in the same union. There’s a player fraternity in modern-day sports. It’s just the way it is. I personally don’t think saying hey to a guy when you’re standing on base says anything about the player who greets the rival player.

    Later.

  121. andrewmelillo October 15th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    Girardi needs to coach like his job oñ the line that tesm hasnt responded benching moveiñg the lineup the team looks like they quit I would bench granderson arod an swisher

  122. RadioKev October 15th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    “Crazy off season??? Not with this team”

    I dunno, they traded their top prospect for a young kid with good stuff last off season. Signed Kuroda. Signed Pettitte. There was action.

  123. Phranchise October 15th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    Look I don’t think they win the series, but if you look at this season the way it went. This offense disappeared for times and then suddenly roared back. You count them out and somehow they got it done. If and it’s a big IF they can find some offense and Hughes pitches well, they win game 3. Then why don’t they have a shot? CC game 4 is an advantage. Suddenly you have homefield back. The Red Sox were dead in the water in 2004 and did it. It’s not like we are getting killed here again on offense by them. And the Orioles hitters were just as bad as ours. Jones, Reynolds, Chris Davis and Weiters all were junk during that series. Not much diffeerent than Arod, Cano, Grandy and Swisher.

  124. BobbyJones October 15th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    Swisher should just sign with the astros next year 100 lost team no postseason for him so his feelings wont be hurt

  125. rickc October 15th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    I don’t think the majority boo’d the first 5 times Grandy, Arod, Swish struck out. Don’t think they’d boo’d the first 5 times Cano grounded weakly and jogged towards 1st base.

    But when they strike out 3 times a game for 7 games now, many in key situations where any groundball or sac fly can bring a run home. When Cano leaves the box half-assed and barely gets beat by the throw again….at those points, loud booing is warranted. If he hustled everytime out, maybe the ump calls him safe on that play in the 2nd inning of game 1.

    Swisher was actually having productive at bats early in the playoffs but he’s fallen to the others level too now. Probably more mental than anything else with him.

    Granderson to me seems the one getting off easier than the rest. How many 3 pitch K’s has he had, seriously. His AB’s last under 10 seconds just about every time he’s up. Its pathetic and he needs to sit more than anyone else.

  126. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Giro should cool it about the need for instant replay…it might have cost us the 2009 pennant and Scioscia/Gardenhire certainly won;t give the Yankees any sympathy (although maybe they called Giro for his father)

  127. blake October 15th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    “Do we even know that they noticed Alex’s decline? It’s like they never saw it coming.”

    They keep expecting him to play like a 27 million dollar player because that’s what he’s paid.

    If the Yankees sign Cano they need to stop building the lineup based on what people are paid and build it based on the abilities of the players they have…..if they aren’t willing to do that then thy need to seriously consider trading him and rebuild

  128. Against All Odds October 15th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    RadioKev October 15th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    “Crazy off season??? Not with this team”

    I dunno, they traded their top prospect for a young kid with good stuff last off season. Signed Kuroda. Signed Pettitte. There was action.

    ————————

    True but some fans are expecting a turn the page off season. Sure moves will be made but doubt any of major significance.

  129. DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    I’m still trying to figure out why Girardi had Martin in the 5 Hole. Martin in that spot killed a couple chances. To me, Martin should be used in batting slots earmarked for advancing runners.The 2 Hole would be ideal.

  130. BobbyJones October 15th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    If yankees want any chance of winning at all, they have to sit at least 2 of Arod Granderson and Swisher. everytime the yankees try to start a rally that part of the lineup just kills it right away.

  131. BobbyJones October 15th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    I’m still trying to figure out why Girardi had Martin in the 5 Hole. Martin in that spot killed a couple chances. To me, Martin should be used in batting slots earmarked for advancing runners.The 2 Hole would be ideal
    —————————–
    Giardi had no other option Look at the blackholes that were coming after him

  132. Phranchise October 15th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Well I disagree to an extent. When I play and want to win, the entensity level is very high. I go right after my friends and if we joke, it’s because I am taunting them if anything. I’m not joking around and laughing during a key inning of a game you know you need to have in this series. Old Time players wouldn’t be caught doing that. I don’t remember incidents when the Yankees won in the 90s.

    Russel Martin put it best earlier this year I think. “I Hate the Boston Red Sox” It’s a competitive anger and focus when playing these games. Don’t see how you have that and then kid around at the same time with players from the other team. Do it before or after the game. You would never catch a player like Posada doing it either.

  133. andrewmelillo October 15th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    Like I said before an the yankers fans crucified me i wasnt happy when they got rid of melky big clutch hitter than they traded austin jackson for the strikeout machine granderson

  134. Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    hope you liked new york nick swisher, now get the hell out.

    if you can’t handle the heat, stay out of new york.

    new yorkers cheer or boo whenever the hell they want to. because we’re new yorkers.

    deal with it or go play in the bushes.

  135. BobbyJones October 15th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    The Jeter Injury of course Swisher didnt cause it but if he had made that play that 99% of major league RF would make then Jeter is probably not injured

  136. DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    I do Not believe having “no other option” qualifies a hitter for the All Important 5 Hole.

  137. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    I prefer to think of myself NOT as a Yanker fan

  138. Against All Odds October 15th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    I don’t remember incidents when the Yankees won in the 90s.

    ——————————

    Because they were winning and there is more media coverage now than there was back then.

  139. blake October 15th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    Don’t think this went unnoticed, either. It wasn’t just the ushers instructed to fill in empty seats so the crowd looked better on TV. The players can tell, too.
    “This is a very easy place to play now,” Tigers outfielder Quintin Berry said. “Coming from Oakland, the fans there were so rowdy. It was easier to come here.”

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/y.....-alcs.html

    Sad

  140. RadioKev October 15th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    andrewmelillo October 15th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
    Like I said before an the yankers fans crucified me i wasnt happy when they got rid of melky big clutch hitter than they traded austin jackson for the strikeout machine granderson
    ——————

    Over the past three years Austin Jackson has struck out 5 more times than Granderson.

  141. Tackelberry October 15th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    I would love to see Gardner in the lineup but not leading off. Bat him 9th. With him at the bottom and Ichiro at the top, thats 2 good leadoff hitters hitting back to back as the lineup turns over.

  142. Barry October 15th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    Someone wrote on another thread re fan reaction that chairs were actually thrown at Roger Maris. A fine intelligent thing to do. There is a term for this kind of behaviour: The Madness of Crowds. It equates with vigilantism and it resonates with people excercising their collective right to protest. Well, do it at the ballot box. Withold your dollars at Yankee Stadium. But there are no implied rights to violence, and that is exactly what is in the air, if not on the ground. We see it over cartoons and obscure movies. Both things are untrue. Violence and the threat of violence exist on their own terms without rationality. Swisher is completely correct. His athletic performance is irrelevant.

  143. Against All Odds October 15th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    BobbyJones October 15th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    The Jeter Injury of course Swisher didnt cause it but if he had made that play that 99% of major league RF would make then Jeter is probably not injured

    ———————–

    He might not have been injured that day but how long did we expect it to not give out at some point. Tex was playing hurt last yr and when he ran hard to first his body finally gave out.

  144. DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Swisher’s Playoff performance’s and Now his whining, have written him a ticket outta NY. NO WAY he should even be tendered an offer.

  145. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Barry – Love you on Storage Wars

  146. Patrick October 15th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    DONNY who should have hit 5th?

  147. Phranchise October 15th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    Kerner article from March this year with the coverage on Swisher working to hit this postseason.

    “It’s always about October,’’ Reggie said.

    Swisher knows that now, too.

    “That’s part of being a Yankee,’’ Swisher said. “You come into camp that first day and you expect to win the World Series, and there are not many ballclubs that can say that, year in and year out. This is one of those organizations and it does have that opportunity and does have all the parts to make it happen. I feel the front office has done a great job of putting the team together this year.

    “It’s going to be a great year for us,’’ he said with confidence.

    Swisher is mentally and physically prepared to be great this season — and this October. It’s time.

    Also, just a side note to the article. Swisher obviously was in great shape this year. Being a professional and the fact of how much he is getting paid, why did it take him to a free agency year to care enough about it. Oh wait because it means money, that’s right.

    I like Swisher a lot, but hard to defend some of this and playing in NY resurrected a career that was heading south quickly.

  148. RadioKev October 15th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
    Swisher’s Playoff performance’s and Now his whining, have written him a ticket outta NY. NO WAY he should even be tendered an offer.
    ———-

    Yeah, how dare Cashman try to get a compensation pick. How dare he!

  149. Against All Odds October 15th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    blake October 15th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    Don’t think this went unnoticed, either. It wasn’t just the ushers instructed to fill in empty seats so the crowd looked better on TV. The players can tell, too.
    “This is a very easy place to play now,” Tigers outfielder Quintin Berry said. “Coming from Oakland, the fans there were so rowdy. It was easier to come here.”

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/y…..-alcs.html

    Sad

    ——————–

    This is the price they paid for a new stadium and it can’t be blamed on Trost and Levine. YS 3 was George’s baby.

  150. blake October 15th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    Swisher wont accept the qualifying offer….offer him that and get the draft pick

  151. Patrick October 15th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    Swisher wont accept the qualifying offer….offer him that and get the draft pick

    Yep

  152. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    maybe not havign Reggie around during the playoffs is hurting guys’ approaches?

  153. Warning Track Power October 15th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    If there was ever a time for an off day, today is the perfect day for just that.
    This team needs a day off. They are desperate for a day off.
    To not think about the game, to not have another drive to the field and prepare for another game, in order to rest up, heal up and feel fresh starting tomorrow.

  154. CountryClub October 15th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    Swisher wont accept the qualifying offer….offer him that and get the draft pick

    —————

    That’s a no brainer. Soriano too, if he opts out.

  155. UnKnown October 15th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/.....=320603106

    ———–

    Repeat of this game from June 3rd of this year and the Yankees will win this series.

    I still won’t believe that we are going to just go out without a fight. Beating Verlander in Game 3 will be one heck of an uppercut landed right in the Tigers mouth.

    Then you come back with the HAMMER #52, on Wednesday in Game 4, and this series is all tied up and guaranteed to come back to NY.

  156. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    Guys like Jete and Mo have all the time they need to support Giro at his dad’s funeral…I am curious to hear who went

  157. Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    swisher got booed out of chicago, too. they hated him there, too. he shouldnt act so surprised.

  158. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    Ys – How’s the crowd been around where you’ve been sitting?

    blake – That is sad. Truth of the matter is those lower bowl tickets are just priced too high. Regular season game, $700-1200? That is really crazy. I flirted with the idea of treating my dad to some good seats, but the prices were in the hundreds for the level 300 sections.

    I feel like the corner OF guys should still hear it though.. I’ll never forget a few seasons ago when a couple of fans just kept chanting at this (I think it was against the Os) young guy that just came up, ‘You’re a bum! You’re a bum! You’re a bum!! Go back to the minors! You’re a bum! Go play in little league!!’ over and over and over… and over and over and over. I felt like I was the one being tortured lol.. poor kid (not really, eff the Orioles).

  159. DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    Cano 5 hole, Martin 2 Hole = Flip Flop

  160. jacksquat October 15th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    There are better options for protecting a good lhh than Martin.

    Gardner – LF
    Ichiro – RF
    Teixeira – 1B
    Cano – 2B
    Ibanez – DH
    Chavez – 3B
    Granderson – CF
    Martin – C
    Nix – SS

    Switch Ibanez and Cano if you want. Chavez hit .298/.365/.543/.908 vs rhp this year. He will get respect from the opposing manager. Martin hit .205/.290/.352/.642 vs rhp this year, he will not.

  161. JobaTipsHisCap October 15th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
    Guys like Jete and Mo have all the time they need to support Giro at his dad’s funeral…I am curious to hear who went

    I think probably none.
    They are all business partners, starts from the captain.

  162. Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    these guys love to live the life of a yankee, nyc, broadway, the best of everything.

    but it’s a deal we make, you get nyc and you get adored when you perform great.

    but if you screw up, we’re not gonna act nice and give you a ribbon for participating.

  163. RadioKev October 15th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
    swisher got booed out of chicago, too. they hated him there, too. he shouldnt act so surprised.
    —————

    And their irrational decision making was our reward.

  164. blake October 15th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    “This is the price they paid for a new stadium and it can’t be blamed on Trost and Levine. YS 3 was George’s baby.”

    Eh….yea but the people are the atmosphere not te stadium …. And right now the fans either are bored by the product or flat don’t like it

  165. DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    The TBS cameras showed Reggie behind the backstop during BP.

  166. BobbyJones October 15th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    Know Giardi he would single out Arod again and bench him

  167. Patrick October 15th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    Cano 5 hole, Martin 2 Hole = Flip Flop

    Well neither one of them got a hit so I don’t see why it matters.

  168. CountryClub October 15th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    I’ve been saying it for almost a week, Gardner needs to start tomorrow. I don’t care that he’s missed all of the season. He’ll at least make the pitcher work. He’ll most likely put the ball in play. And with his speed, he can possibly beat out a couple (see ichiro).

    It’s better than Granderson or Swisher striking out on breaking balls 8 inches off the plate or at their feet.

  169. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    AAS – I’m not sure what YS3 has to do with it… even in the last 2 years of the old stadium the crowd was horrible on a regular basis and barely cheered unless the team was winning or there was something historic going on.

    It’s a mentality in the NY Yankee fanbase that has gone awry… this sense of entitlement… that the fans somehow deserve to see nothing but victory, and the players somehow don’t need encouragement to help them through tough times.

    You can justify how and when you boo in the stadium however you like… just do it knowing that it does more harm to the team on the field than good.

  170. Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    ok now we are blaming who?

    REGGIE JACKSON?

    are you kidding me?

  171. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    Against All Odds October 15th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    blake October 15th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    Don’t think this went unnoticed, either. It wasn’t just the ushers instructed to fill in empty seats so the crowd looked better on TV. The players can tell, too.
    “This is a very easy place to play now,” Tigers outfielder Quintin Berry said. “Coming from Oakland, the fans there were so rowdy. It was easier to come here.”

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/y…..-alcs.html

    Sad

    ——————–

    This is the price they paid for a new stadium and it can’t be blamed on Trost and Levine. YS 3 was George’s baby.

    ———————

    I know you didn’t mean it this way but we gotta get over this narrative that this ‘is the price they pay for the new stadium.’

    No… we paid for the stadium. Charging $1000 a seat is not designed to pay for what the tax payers already built.

  172. Against All Odds October 15th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    blake October 15th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    “This is the price they paid for a new stadium and it can’t be blamed on Trost and Levine. YS 3 was George’s baby.”

    Eh….yea but the people are the atmosphere not te stadium …. And right now the fans either are bored by the product or flat don’t like it

    ——————————

    Probably a combination of both. Randy mentioned months ago how the team was boring to watch.

  173. DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    The fabrication regarding attendance figures MLB wide should be a Huge story.

  174. RadioKev October 15th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    blake October 15th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
    “This is the price they paid for a new stadium and it can’t be blamed on Trost and Levine. YS 3 was George’s baby.”

    Eh….yea but the people are the atmosphere not te stadium …. And right now the fans either are bored by the product or flat don’t like it
    ———–

    They had attendance issues even in 2009… either it’s the stadium or NY isn’t a great baseball town anymore. I hope it’s the stadium.

  175. Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    im coming to learn that many of you are not from here…

  176. blake October 15th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Like I said earlier….Yankee fans including myself have been conditioned over the last decade or so to accept losing because of pitching at times…..we’ve dealt with it and its been the Yankee narrative as to how they lose forever it seems….we aren’t used to an offense like this and we aren’t used to losing games because they can’t score……

  177. disco stu October 15th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    “Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
    The LF for Detroit said it best. This is an easy place to play now, because we have loser fans that turn on their own players in the playoffs.

    Kudos morons who boo? you?ve taken away the one advantage this team truly had all these years.

    ——————————-

    Hahahaha. Ok, bro.”

    It’s not the booing that has hurt the enormous HFA we once had … its the fact that its a new stadium that is diametrically opposite to the one we used to have across the street … the “real” Yankee Stadium that is no more.

    This new YS has none of the charm of the old one … it big and cavernous and the poor slobs who can barely afford to go and sit up top are now sitting in the section that have the fewerst numbers of seats and the upper tier now peals away from the field so there is even less chance for fans to really impact the game. All in complete to the way it used to be at the old park across the street.

    The booing is relative … old time Yankee fans used to boo Mickey Mantle because he replaced Joe DiMaggio and then they booed Roger Maris when he overshadowed Mantle years later … we booed Tino early in ’96 because he replaced Donnie Baseball, got on Clemens big time in ’99, and have booed Arod for nearly a decade.

    I don’t boo, but I don’t disparage people who do as long as they are not being obnoxious or disrupting the game for the players or for the fans around them.

    To me, its exaggerated venting and the minute good things start to happen most of those same peopel are applauding like crazy … the players who let it bother them need to have a thicker skin.

  178. CountryClub October 15th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Jeter isnt going to the funeral. His concern, and rightfully so, is his ankle and the rest of his career. Girardi would be the first to tell him that’s more important. The players should be resting too. They should pool their money and have a 25k arrangement sent to the funeral home and donate money in his father’s name, etc…

    But they don’t need to be there in the middle of the ALCS.

  179. RadioKev October 15th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Tickets were available even on Saturday. After CC’s incredible game.

    I don’t think it’s the team.

  180. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    And there is a HUGE difference between simply voicing your displeasure and what has been going on in the Bronx for the last 5 games.

    When your fans boo every out your team makes… they have lost all connection with the team.

  181. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    When you’re blaming the fans and the stadium for your losing…. you are in trouble. It’s almost as bad (almost!) as blaming the umpiring.

    This team is losing because it is playing poorly.

  182. blake October 15th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    “They had attendance issues even in 2009… either it’s the stadium or NY isn’t a great baseball town anymore. I hope it’s the stadium.

    (Rising ticket, parking , and
    Concessions prices )+ (decreased payroll and perceived lack of will to win by the front office ) = fan boredom and decreased attendance

  183. Nick in SF October 15th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    Wasn’t the new stadium privately funded? I know there were tax breaks and some bureaucratic red tape had to be navigated and wheels greased, etc., but the stadium itself was built with Stein money, not public money, no?

  184. Against All Odds October 15th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    It’s a mentality in the NY Yankee fanbase that has gone awry… this sense of entitlement…

    ————————

    But the sense of entitlement comes from the FO. It’s their WS or bust mandate and the players buy into it too. After every first round exit Jeter in a stern tone would say “The goal is to win WS. I tell you guys every yr this is not the same team”

  185. Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    anybody who sat in that stadium yesterday (and probably dropped a grand to do it) and DIDN”T boo is a moron, imo.

  186. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    Nick in SF October 15th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    Wasn’t the new stadium privately funded? I know there were tax breaks and some bureaucratic red tape had to be navigated and wheels greased, etc., but the stadium itself was built with Stein money, not public money, no?

    —————-

    I really thought it was public but maybe I confused my new arenas.. there’ve been quite a few around here lately.

  187. Against All Odds October 15th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    When your fans boo every out your team makes… they have lost all connection with the team.

    ——————————-

    That’s when it’s getting out of control. Booing in the first inning is a problem as well.

  188. DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    What Martin and Cano did outta the 2 and 5 Holes is irrelevant. EVERY batting order is an individual entity. It should be primarily constructed with a game plan in mind offensively, and secondarily with the SP in mind. This is Baseball 101.

  189. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    Ys Guy – Who’s blaming Reggie? Me? No I’m not, I was just asking if anyone thinks he’d have a positive influence on the hitters blinded by the bright TBS lights

  190. RadioKev October 15th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    I guess some people are willing to spend significant percentages of their life being negative.

  191. Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    arod got a huge cheer his first time up yesterday and his second time up. and he got the huge sarcastic cheer with his worthless single at the end. the fans wanted him to do well, but of course he didn’t.

  192. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    Every team in baseball is having “attendence issues” except the nationals.

    There were like 8000 tickets available for last nights NLCS game, just like the Yankee game.

    Shame, no one is blaming the crowd for the loss. I’m blaming the crowd for not being any help what-so-ever.

    And I’m sorry disco stu but all that stuff you just said about the stadium is just nonsense. The place is plenty loud when the people was to be. The NY fans have had a very blah attitude towards the game over the last few years. Look at the other playoff games this year in DC and Oakland and Baltimore. Fans were standing the entire game going nuts, even while losing. That has not happened in either YS in like 6 years. These are fans that… win or lose… are proud of their team for making it to the postseason.

    I agree with what someone above said… this “world series or bust” mantra has ruined baseball fans in NY.

  193. RonC October 15th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    I don’t boo – because it can’t ever be productive during a game – but if I did, it would be to express my disgust with the manager. I am (was) a huge Girardi fan, after suffering through the Torre Decline Years. But I feel like Joe G. has turned into Joe T. Jr. with his refusal to make certain moves. Well, that’s not entirely fair; he has tinkered with the lineup more than Torre ever would. That said, he needs to do more, and I place the blame on him and his coaching staff if certain players DON’T MAKE THEIR ADJUSTMENTS at the plate. I mean, Girardi actually *said* in his press conference that his hitters aren’t making adjustments. Well, WHOSE FREAKING PROBLEM IS THAT? WHO’S SUPPOSED TO BE *MANAGING* THESE GUYS? WTF… If it ain’t his job, WHOSE is it?!? And Joe G. actually channeled Joe T. not too long ago when asked about manufacturing runs and playing a little small ball with his, “We’re the Yankees. We don’t do that.” crap. When 1 run has been the difference in a number of these games, MANUFACTURE some g*dd*m runs. (But of course, if they can’t get on base, they can’t manufacture squat…)

    Anyway, here again is a lineup I keep hoping for. It’s open to tinkering – in particular, I wonder if Cano is still better in the 4-hole than Ibanez so they’re forced to pitch to Robbie and not pitch around Ibanez. I’m sure I’ll be flamed for sitting Granderson and Swisher and Alex all at once, or batting Nix so high, but so be it. (I like Nix. He hasn’t done much in his limited appearances but he makes contacts and seems to always give the ball a ride.)

    Gardner – CF
    Ichiro – RF
    Tex – 1B
    Ibanez – LF
    Cano – 2B
    Nix – SS
    Martin – C
    Alex/Nunez – DH
    Chavez – 3B

  194. Nick in SF October 15th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    Shame: yes, you have confused your arenas. Or maybe you’re thinking of Gilbert Arenas, who was indeed constructed with public money.

    “Rising ticket, parking , and
    Concessions prices )+ (decreased payroll and perceived lack of will to win by the front office ) = fan boredom and decreased attendance”

    People are pre-protesting stuff that hasn’t happened yet?

  195. 56Bomber October 15th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    The bowl shape and open concourses of the new stadium certainly seem to allow the noise to escape outwards…but when you also have 10K fewer fans for each game limited by capacity and prices it does not help.

  196. Phranchise October 15th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    The entitlement thing is a little ridiculous. I think most fans would not be as upset if we were getting flat out beat. But the whole team has regressed from their regular season numbers, no one is stepping up and you have too many $15 mill + players doing nothing while cheaper players on other teams are playing well in the moment while we have like none. So booing is a complete frustration thing. Because you know at a minimum you should at least expect Cano to get a few hits, Granderson to recognize a few of these balls that bounce before reaching home plate, Swisher to stop flipping around which no one else does and then uppercut every swing and Arod to get his head together and be able to hit a fastball right down the middle.

  197. Patrick October 15th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    DONNY,

    When your team is not hitting as a whole do you really think batting order matters? The Yankees got 4 hits yesterday! Girardi could have picked the names out of a hat and it wouldn’t have mattered. Nobody is hitting, switching around the batting order is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

  198. RadioKev October 15th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    Look at the other playoff games this year in DC and Oakland and Baltimore.
    ———–

    That’s what makes me fear it’s just entitlement. These Yankees moved on to the championship series, where as those teams didn’t. Yet here we are, booing.

  199. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    I don;t always mind the World Series or Bust mentality – for me, it depends on whose bust

  200. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    People can voice their displeasure… nothing wrong with that. Shouting threats to the players like a coward from a crowd is not behavior I think highly of at all. You are better off keeping your displeasure to yourself and not ruining the experience of others around you.

    I love how people say the players should just “have thicker skin” too… what a disconnect from reality.

  201. blake October 15th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    “I agree with what someone above said… this “world series or bust” mantra has ruined baseball fans in NY.”

    It’s a fake mantra now….it’s a win enough so that the fans don’t revolt mantra. Jeter and Andy and some of the players still believe it….how much the FO does though Im not sure

  202. Purenyyankee October 15th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    ATTENTION Nick Swisher, Fans and LoHud bloggers:

    THIS AIN’T ST. LOUIS. Wake UP and perform or you’re going to get hammered. If you don’t like it, take your bat, ball and glove and go to Cleveland, or Tampa, or Houston, or Seattle……………

  203. DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Booing is NOT meant to be productive. Yankee Stadium is NOT an assembly line.

  204. Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    our boy sam borden wrote an excellent piece in the nytimes about the yankees and the giants:

    here’s his read on the bombers yesterday:

    ” They no longer look like a former or potential dynasty, but a big budget calamity that managed to put together one triumphant playoff run in 2009 and has been leaking oil ever since. ”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10.....ref=sports

  205. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    blake – You are entitled to that opinion, no matter how narrow-minded and ridiculous it is. The Yankee FO doesn’t “want to win”… what a joke. You call yourself a fan?

  206. DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    If your a Mgr, you gotta believe the batting order you post matters. Otherwise, why even show up???

  207. Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    purenyyankees: you got it brother! (or sister as applicable)

    you from queens?

  208. JobaTipsHisCap October 15th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/l.....vZXZzuTchL

    and new york city is called the best in the world? LOL
    feel bad for new yorker

  209. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    That’s what makes me fear it’s just entitlement. These Yankees moved on to the championship series, where as those teams didn’t. Yet here we are, booing.

    QFT.

  210. Nick in SF October 15th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    “There were like 8000 tickets available for last nights NLCS game, just like the Yankee game.”

    There was a full house at AT&T Park last night and they got pretty into the game, especially when the Giants got back into it. People put seats up on StubHub to make a nice profit, but a lot of them will still go to the game. # of tickets available on StubHub doesn’t equal empty seats. When tickets are priced cheaply, as they seemed to be for the past few Yankee games, that tells you more than the raw # of tickets for sale.

  211. Phranchise October 15th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    And the stadium as with any arena is what the fans make of it. I love the new stadium. I get the whole open air thing and the crazy luxury seats. But the cheap seats don’t make noise anymore. The fans can make this stadium their own and the Yankees by winning in 2009 did enough to break it in. If there is one thing with the new stadium that changes things is the ability to walk around and do other things. How many people stay seated the whole game anymore? Not many. And tons of people grab a beer and watch at the beer stool seats around the stadium, further killing the noise.

  212. Against All Odds October 15th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    The Yankee FO doesn’t “want to win

    ————————

    Sure they do but they no longer are willing to go that extra mile to cover up for a slip in the team. Forget going after CJ Wilson or Fielder..they could have went after Cespedes or Chapman.

  213. Purenyyankee October 15th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    Ys Guy:
    I’m 90 miles away in Pennsylvania and have followed this team for 40+ years. I go to at least 40 games per year and I’ve had it with the excuses and lack of effort by the offense. (And its brother. Haha)

  214. Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    if the yankees win 2 in detroit and bring it home, the tigers wont feel the same way about yankee stadium, believe me.

    i was there friday night, too and it was not an ‘easy place to play’ for the birds, believe me.

    lay an egg in nyc and you will get what you deserve.

  215. DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Only a Stat Head would look at booing as being counter productive. Everything is Not a Plus or a Minus. Something called Emotion is involved.

  216. blake October 15th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Irreverent Discourse says:
    October 15, 2012 at 1:05 pm
    blake – You are entitled to that opinion, no matter how narrow-minded and ridiculous it is. The Yankee FO doesn’t “want to win”… what a joke. You call yourself a fan?

    I didn’t say that….I said that I don’t think that’s their only goal anymore…. Sure they want to win….everyone does…but feel free to put more words in my mouth if you like

  217. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Nick in SF – Alot of ticket brokers buy up Yankee tickets because they are the Yankees. That cuases lots of empty seats because these people are buying bulk tickets with no intent on going to the game. Obviously the pricing of everything isn’t helping. Neither is giving the fans closest to the field a ridiculous place to hang out and almost no reason to sit in their seats unless they are between the dugouts.

    Lots of dumb things went on with the new stadium, but the fans are still responsible for letting the visiting team know where they are. Right now they are coming to a place where they are somehow not the enemy, because we have completely vilified our own players.

  218. Yanksgal07 October 15th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    “And there is a HUGE difference between simply voicing your displeasure and what has been going on in the Bronx for the last 5 games. When your fans boo every out your team makes… they have lost all connection with the team.”

    EXACTLY !!!

    Go Yankees 2012 !!

  219. Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    pure, then you are a new yorker. as is most of nj and connecticut. it just seems like people from around here would never even ask the question ‘should you boo’. its like asking if you should jaywalk or wait for the light to change…it would never cross a ny’er’s mind…

  220. Dj October 15th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    I agree, Ys Guy, I was also there on Friday on the lower level, and people were on their feet cheering starting with 2 strike counts at the top of the first. It may not translate on TV, but the stadium can get loud. They just want something to cheer about…

  221. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    “they could have went after Cespedes or Chapma”

    Chapman was hurt and not expect to do much this year at all before the season started, so I don’t know why they would have targetted him… not like they need another reliever anyway with the best bullpen in the league.

    Cespedes was striking out in 30% of his AB’s for the first half, and barely got that reate down below 20 by the season end. You guys obviously LOVE that around here, so let’s have more of it so you have more things to complain about!

  222. blake October 15th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    In some ways Im proud of this years team….they are heavily flawed and have fought and fought all year….they didn’t collapse under the flaws ….they finished either best record I the league …but the flaws are still there And were ignored both in the offseason and at the trade deadline…..so it is what it is and they are now being exposed on the big stage in front of everyone

  223. Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    i was at 2 of the last 3 home games and people were definitely not ‘booing every single out’ not even close.

    despite not deserving to even be on the YS turf, arod and swisher got huge ovations when they came up the first couple of times. swisher even got cheered being on the video screen early in the game.

    but after SUCKING for another 3 at-bats, the fans stopped cheering for dreadful performances and let them know.

    had either of them helped win the game, they would have turned those boos into cheers. they failed to do anything.

    stopping the boos is very easy to do.

  224. Dr. Hfuhruhurr October 15th, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    I am not sure that I understand how the home crowd booing their team is so unfathomable. Rodriguez, Swisher, Granderson, and Cano are under-performing so incredibly that it’s even amazing that they’ve even made it to the ALCS (if not for their incredible pitching). I’ll admit that even watching the games on TV from 500 miles away, I am yelling things out of frustration. These are all players that have been (at least somewhat) successful during the regular season, and to see the Ks, GIDPs, and generally weak ABs over and over is just about unwatchable. Personally, I consider myself a passionate (not fickle) fan of the Yankees, and don’t even care nearly as much for any other team in any other sport. Also, all of these guys (perhaps excluding Rodriguez) actually seem completely likeable on a personal level, if I ever had the opportunity to meet them. My opinion is that booing is simply an “editorial” of a player’s performance at a particular moment. No Yankee fan booed Cano during his white-hot stretch ending the season – why would they have? But after an 0-26, do you expect tens of thousands of people to start a “ROBBIE GET ‘EM NEXT TIME” chant? Or crickets…no sound at all? Be realistic. Fans are passionate, and at a point like this, where the performance of a good number of players reaches such a level of epic and historic failure, they should EXPECT to hear it, and just deal with it. How many times will the guy in the McDonald’s drive-thru mess up orders and hear, “Hey man, I know you’ll get the burgers right soon”? Never? Booing is what it is, and I totally believe that if Beltran/Molina/Jay/Holliday have a stretch like our guys are having, the STL home fans would kill them too. We’re not the bad/ignorant ones.

    Also, killing fans for even having the gall to suggest starting Gardner is bad form. Everyone who has watched Yankee games this season knows that the guy barely has any at-bats, and it rustier than a 19th century Amish butter-churner. We’re not ALL stupid…at least I don’t think so. I keep on hearing Girardi mention having to “make adjustments”. How would starting Gardner be NOT an adjustment? I mean, how much worse can he do at this point? He is the kind of guy that all he needs is a walk, and that affects the game. I mean, if someone suggested starting Tex/Nix/Nunez/Chavez in the infield and Ichiro/Gardner/Ibanez in the outfield…how could anyone say that would be such a horrible idea, and the mere suggestion implies a deep personality disorder? Sure, we can all bury our heads in the sand and say, “we’re going to dance with the girl we’ve brought”, or we can “make adjustments”.

  225. Patrick October 15th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    If your a Mgr, you gotta believe the batting order you post matters. Otherwise, why even show up???

    So you are saying the Yankees would win if Cano hit 5th and Martin hit 2nd? Ummm….

  226. JobaTipsHisCap October 15th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    the benefit would be they won’t (hopefully) sign another dumb long term contract.

  227. DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    This, “it is what it is” issa dodge whatever the issue may be. It’s like saying, “whatever”. It’s non-resposive and fails to address whatever the issue being discussed may be. I am NOT proud of guys like Swish that whine and cry when times get tough, or guys like Cano that throw it into neutral time and time again.

  228. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    “stopping the boos is very easy to do.”

    Hitting a baseball is unfortunately not as easy as booing someone.

  229. mick October 15th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    The problem with this team is that they are soft. The toughest guys on the team are the pitchers.
    They have not folded under the pressure. They have been spectacular. Andy, CC, Kuroda even Hughes have provided the results and leadership lacking amongst the players.
    Other than Jeter can you name one player who is tough or a leader. Maybe Martin would take a hit at the plate or bowl over a catcher. Who intimidates on this team?
    Where are the Munsons, O’Neills….??
    These guys are beat before they take the field. Cabrera and Fielder are laughing about how soft we are, even Delmon Young has no fear.
    Girardi plays scared and it translates to the players.
    Sure we beat the Birds, we owned the Twins as well.
    I hope I get to eat crow but I’m sure many would agree.

  230. RadioKev October 15th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    blake October 15th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
    In some ways Im proud of this years team….they are heavily flawed and have fought and fought all year….they didn’t collapse under the flaws ….they finished either best record I the league …but the flaws are still there And were ignored both in the offseason and at the trade deadline…..so it is what it is and they are now being exposed on the big stage in front of everyone
    ———

    Blake, didn’t they say that about the 2002 Moneyball team?

  231. Nick in SF October 15th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    blake, the “WS or bust” has always been a “fake mantra” in the sense that they don’t bust apart the FO/team every time they don’t win the WS. George did try to come as close to that as he could and the result was busting even harder. The real mission is to try to put the team in the position to compete for the WS every year.

  232. Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    friday night was CRAZY LOUD up at the top of the upper deck. the last 5 rows or so stood through the whole game practically. they were LOUD and boisterous, just like in the old stadium. they’re just in another time zone so the noise doesnt make it down to field level.

  233. JobaTipsHisCap October 15th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    well said, mick. those guys are not mentally tough.

  234. Against All Odds October 15th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    Chapman was hurt and not expect to do much this year at all before the season started, so I don’t know why they would have targetted him… not like they need another reliever anyway with the best bullpen in the league.

    Cespedes was striking out in 30% of his AB’s for the first half, and barely got that reate down below 20 by the season end. You guys obviously LOVE that around here, so let’s have more of it so you have more things to complain about!

    ———————————-

    You can always use another reliever especially a reliever with his stuff. This is the same organization that has the best reliever in baseball and paid Sori closer moneyThe poin to set-up.

    Cespedes is a young bat something the offense desperately needs.

    The point is the FO is cutting corners everywhere INTL FA, draft, FA, etc. Do they honestly expect their plan to work? Wait for the kids and hope the ML team can hold off the decline

  235. Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    swisher should have said, “i sucked and i got what i deserved.” and shut up about it.

    those same fans will go crazy for him if and when he comes through next time.

  236. fantasygame101 October 15th, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    very even good players never complains about being booed bec. they will boo themselves before the fans can boo them. So the other question is in this argument is do the players makes it personal enough to do worse or it is a motivation to perform better?

  237. Against All Odds October 15th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    those same fans will go crazy for him if and when he comes through next time.

    ———————-

    And they’ll boo him the next time he doesn’t.

  238. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    AAO – So you want 3 $15m relievers on the roster? That’s your solution?

    “Do they honestly expect their plan to work?”

    The point IS that they are spending more than every other team in the league to put a product on the field for your entertainment… I’m pretty sure they have every right to expect that plan to work. Do you think St Louis or San Fran has some magical “master plan” where they sign mediocre players and get great October performances out of them?

    They put a team on the field they expect to compete for the world series. They made the playoffs by winning their division. They have accomplished everything they could possibly have “planned for” already.

  239. djsunyc October 15th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    in swish’s defense, he didn’t sign here as a FA. he was traded here. so now that he’s a FA, he can leave, and most likely will.

  240. MoRings42 October 15th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    These games aren’t free for fans. People pay good money to go watch these guys play a game. It isn’t just the ticket costs, it’s the food, the junk, the beer, the train/car/gas/tolls/parking etc etc that all add up. If the players aren’t performing, fans have every right to get on them.

    Boo hoo Nick Swisher.

    Alex Rodriguez gets it a million times worse and all he says is “I would boo too”.

    This guy wants a Jayson Werth contract? Someone needs to show Nick his and Werth’s postseason numbers side by side and then ask him if he still feels the same.

  241. andrewmelillo October 15th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    The Whole team but the pitchers quit they should be diisgusted with themselves if you cant take the heat send some of the players to pittsburgh with Aj Stop crying about booing if you dont wantnt to hear it get a hit

  242. Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    if swisher hit a game winner in the PS (dreaming here obviously) fans wouldnt turn on him his next ab, thats not how it works. as an example i’ll point out that tex, who isnt doing much but isnt flat-out sucking, wasnt booed at all yesterday. yankees fans know baseball and they are booing historically bad performances by swisher, arod and granderson. if they just contributed a little bit most people would get off them, even arod.

    when arod came up in the 6th or 7th last night there were a few boos but by far most people were standing and cheering for him.

  243. JobaTipsHisCap October 15th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    they really should have been undefeated in this postseason if offense had been just slightly better.

  244. Carlo October 15th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    And I?m sorry disco stu but all that stuff you just said about the stadium is just nonsense. The place is plenty loud when the people was to be.

    ———————

    this is factually incorrect. the sheer size of the facility, over 1.5x the footprint of the old stadium, makes it such that 50K people making noise is far quiter.

  245. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    You also pay good money so they can put 8 or 9 All-Stars out there every day. So that you can expect every year to watch some baseball in October. It’s one thing to feel like you are overpaying to watch the Pirates… but the most expensive and successful team in baseball?

    Swisher has struggled before, this is not the first time. Swisher has been BOO’d before, this is also not the first time. I imagine they had to be saying some pretty heinous stuff out there to even get a reaction out of him like this.

    Assuming that the fans were “in the right” in this situation is very head-in-the-sand mentality.

  246. Against All Odds October 15th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    AAO – So you want 3 $15m relievers on the roster? That’s your solution?

    ——————————-

    Chapman made 2 million this season. And do you think they still go after Sori if Chapman is on the team.

  247. Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    very true swisher didnt sign here. he was run out of chicago…

  248. Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    swisher BELONGS in elay! nobody cares if you win there.

  249. longtimefan October 15th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    Personally, I do not boo, but I certainly understand why some fans do and that is their right.
    These guys are very hard to watch right now without venting in some form, I also agree with others that say Swisher should talk less and concentrate on improving his hitting.

    Just a thought but would Jeter be a candidate for RF after the ankle injury maybe the opportune time to move his position.

  250. Against All Odds October 15th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    I imagine they had to be saying some pretty heinous stuff out there to even get a reaction out of him like this.

    ————————

    True which is why the ppl saying he is sensitive isn’t looking t it from another point of view. This is New York. I’m sure some fans made comments about his wife.

  251. mrgreen28 October 15th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    I boo, not because A-rod strikes out, but because he doesn’t run on a drop third strike with runners on second and third.

    I boo because swish stopped hustling here, http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....d=37991928

    I boo when cano does not hustle down the line and still is barley out

  252. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    is Andymelillo the speed talking guy from the old FedEx commercials?

  253. Phranchise October 15th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Arod gets creamed with the boos. Some has been warranted I guess and obviously the money he earns carries with it expectations. But the media started in on him early this postseason, the fans started in and now it’s spiraled with the Girardi pinch hit. But the guy still stands there and takes it. Say what you will, but the guy is never out of shape and obviously all this guy has is baseball. He doesn’t want to fail and he isn’t indifferent to it either.

    Swisher has to understand where he plays. His money relative to the people that pay what little extra money they have to go to games. This town resurrected his career.

    If you or I got paid $15 million and failed in our job you would be fired as of yesterday. These guys have guaranteed contracts the fans pay for. There is no real reprucutions for failure for them other than not living up to their own expectations. From a fans standpoint they boo. Oh well. Sorry. When stuff gets out of line, battery throwing, gets personal, threats, now you pushed the bounds of realty.

    But not too many of these guys cared enough to stick up for others when they were getting booed, they just don’t like when the focus is on them.

  254. Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    i’ve heard really heinous stuff said to college atheletes in oklahoma, missouri and other places where people are ‘nicer.’

  255. mick October 15th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    friday night was CRAZY LOUD up at the top of the upper deck. the last 5 rows or so stood through the whole game practically. they were LOUD and boisterous, just like in the old stadium. they’re just in another time zone so the noise doesnt make it down to field level.
    ===========================
    This is true, I was part of that crowd.
    Personally I don’t care, it’s not an issue to me.
    I’m there to watch a game, could care less what others do.
    That was a great well played game and that’s all that matters.
    The upper deck is the place to be if you want to sit with the real fans.
    I like the view behind the plate anyway.

  256. bruceb October 15th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    Those same fans will go crazy for him if and when he comes through next time.

    What next time?

    No one of sane mind can seriously expect the Yanks to bring this series back to the Bronx and if they don’t, Swisher won’t be back next year.

  257. mick October 15th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    I’ll say it again.
    Swisher is no Paul O’Neill.
    Even if his #’s were better.
    He wanted a good-bye worthy of O’Neill?

    Give me a break….

  258. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 15th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    Chad I hate booing. It kills my soul every time I heard the Bronx crowd boo a Yankee player. I couldn’t agree with you more about the motivation factor. As opposed to being invigorating, booing is debilitating to the recipient. These are human beings with feelings and pride, no matter how much money they make. Do people truly believe they are out there trying to play bad ball? Really? Then boo away. But if they are doing the best they can and not making the grade, they deserve support, not derision.

    A classic example to me was when LaTroy Hawkins got destroyed by the Stadium crowd for wearing Paul O’Neil’s number – and they doubly destroyed because he wasn’t effective on the mound. Seriously?

    It’s a Stadium of spoiled rotten little children who are willing to be your friend when there’s something in it for them, but who kick you in the face when they’re not getting anything from you. With friends like that, who needs enemies!

  259. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    AAO – Are you talking about two years ago when he came in the league? When he was supposed to be a starter and completely flopped in 2011 and got sent to the bullpen?

    He got a $30mill/6year contract with a $16mil signing bonus. It’s not a $2million commitment. It’s a $45million commitment to a basically unknown and raw pitcher. They didn’t do that because it doesn’t make good business sense.

    I’m sure that would have gone over well. Joba sends his regards (and he doesn’t make $45million). I already hear the outrage :p

    The same kind of goes for Cespedes, who has outperformed even the most reasonable expectations for him this year. The real key will be what he does next year when the pitchers have a full season of video to work on.

    Neither were viable solutions to this club at the time the decision needed to be made.

    I don’t see how anyone could be upset about the Soriano signing at this point. He’s more than shown his worth this season.

  260. Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    mick i stood in the last row of 418 friday night. GREAT fans! the upper deck still rocks like it always did in the old stadium.

    yesterday i snuck into 218 which has a great view, but its tame.

    at one point with 2 out and 2 strikes, people started standing and others started yelling at them to sit down so they could see the game. that was it for me i headed upstairs.

    never again down there. the real fans ARE in the upper deck!

  261. MTU October 15th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    The way the Yankees O has performed lately has simply left me speechless.

    When Jeter went down I kinda saw that as the final coffin nail.

    The theme for a season filled with miserable injuries to key players.

    Would love to be wrong about where we go from here.

    I think many of us saw some of this poor performance coming.

    But not this bad. This season has been like a slow-motion train wreck.

    What a terrible time for so many key players to go into a slump.

    I hate to say it but I already have my mind on the Hot Stove season.

    The future is where I find myself looking for solace.

    :(

  262. Patrick October 15th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Swisher is no Paul O’Neill.
    Even if his #’s were better.


    O’Neill’s numbers were better actually. Much better player than Swisher

  263. mick October 15th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    very true swisher didnt sign here. he was run out of chicago…
    =======================
    there was only room for one clown there…

  264. JobaTipsHisCap October 15th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    their failure to take game 1 after Ibanez’s heroic performance looms large.

  265. mick October 15th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    O’Neill’s numbers were better actually. Much better player than Swisher
    ===================
    It’s immaterial.
    O’Neill was all about winning was my point.
    Haven’t checked the #’s.

  266. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    O’Neil gets a lot of credit for a guy that basically only had 2 good seasons in pinstripes.

  267. Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    mizzou boy just doesnt get new yorkers…

  268. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    I’ll even give O’Neil 3 good seasons, 96 was still good despite his power outage. 3 good seasons out of 9.

  269. Patrick October 15th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    O’Neil gets a lot of credit for a guy that basically only had 2 good seasons in pinstripes.

    That really depends on your definition of good season.

    Swisher is a good player in the regular season but O’Neill was significantly better in his career and as a Yankee. He also didn’t have postseason struggles like Swisher does. O’Neill’s postseason numbers are right in line with his career numbers.

  270. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    “O’Neill’s postseason numbers are right in line with his career numbers.”

    Which is highly unusual. Impressive, but highly unusual.

  271. mick October 15th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    MTU

    actually this “slump” is totally predictable.
    they came off a high Friday night and exhaled.
    this was a year long battle with Baltimore which we won 12-11.
    Look at Cano, he was on fire over .600 BA…he exhaled.
    The guys today are too concerned with their numbers, there are no leaders, they just don’t play as a team.

    Plus, the Tigers own us in the post season and both teams know it.

    They aren’t beating Cabrera…

  272. MoRings42 October 15th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    I hope the re-sign Ichiro with that Swisher money.

    2-3 years with player and team option.

  273. Nick in SF October 15th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    The Yankees are enormous betting underdogs tomorrow night. My new mantra is “win or lose by only a run or bust!”

  274. Patrick October 15th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    I’ll even give O’Neil 3 good seasons, 96 was still good despite his power outage. 3 good seasons out of 9.

    I’d say his first 6 seasons as a Yankee were all pretty good.

  275. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    Cabrera has one legitimate hit, one of the worst baserunning plays i’ve ever seen in a major league game, and no home runs. He’s not beating us, we’re beating ourselves.

    Hopefully the flight is all they need to wake up the bats.

  276. Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    i’m down on how the team is performing but i refuse to turn the page or quit rooting for them. this is still a winable series and the WS championship is right freakin there to be taken. this team needs to grow some and take that championship. and it still can be done.

    also, swisher and arod and grandy still can be postseason heroes THIS YEAR. there is still time.

    all it will take is a victory over verlander tomorrow. this is doable, they’ve done it before. they’ve already beaten the clown closer.

    bring it back home and play well and once again you will be the most adored of all ballplayers.

  277. mick October 15th, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    NY is about WINNING.
    In fact we get criticized for it all the time.
    Too bad.
    Since I was a child all I knew was a winning team till it all collapsed.
    I appreciate it even more due to those losing years….

    This is why you find bitter older Yankee fans, they went through the 20-s thru 50′s era.

    All I went thru were the 60′s…

  278. Phranchise October 15th, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    Comparing O’Neil to Swisher is a bit absurd. O”Neil batted in the middle of the lineup and has the rings. Swisher produced decent numbers for the regular season for sure, was not in the pressure part of the lineup, had a shorter RF wall to hit for power towards and has one ring which had nothing to do with anything he has done in the postseason.

    So again, I like Swisher, see the value he brings and really thought maybe this was a year to break thru, but it hasn’t been. But he is no where close to the competitor or player Paul O’Neil was here.

  279. blake October 15th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    “blake, the “WS or bust” has always been a “fake mantra” in the sense that they don’t bust apart ”

    Lol…fortunately….that’d be messy

  280. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    patrick – Just looking at the numbers they look like OK seasons, but compared to the rest of the league in those years, they were not really what I would call “good” at the time.

    I don’t want to get pigeoned into saying that he wasn’t a good player. He was. He just gets a lot of credit for a few timely hits. 5 or 6 hits and Swisher could be cast in a completely different light. That’s not keeping things in perspective.

  281. DC-Dan October 15th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    Long time reader on this blog but I registered for the first time to comment on this post.

    I’ve been as frustrated as any other fan watching these last series, but I think some of the postings above are dead wrong.

    The Yankees are a business but A-rod, Granderson, Swisher, and the rest aren’t our employees. They are our heroes. How many times have these players gotten the big hit for us over the last few years? What about the last few months?

    Yes they earn multi-million dollar contracts. That’s the sport and that’s the Yankees. But that doesn’t mean our players go onto the field with any less heart than a Royal or a Padre. I love Jeter’s leadership, and A-Rod’s pride, and the joy that Swisher plays the game with. That’s why we buy their jerseys.

    We’ve seen players worth booing on the Yankees. The Red Sox just traded away players who were worth booing at home. How can we put Granderson and Swisher on the same level based on a handful of bad games?

    They will either turn it around or they wont. This is a streaky team. But I’m not going to be booing these guys when they’re out on the field (unless they are REAALLLYY killing my fantasy team of course).

  282. Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    wow, a new low for overuse of the term heroes.

    and i thought that was impossible at this point…

  283. Patrick October 15th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    ID,

    1993 – .311/.367/.504 20 HR
    1994 – .359/.460/.603 21 HR
    1995 – .300/.387/.526 22 HR
    1996 – .302/.411/.474 19 HR
    1997 – .324/.399/.514 21 HR
    1998 – .317/.372/.510 24 HR

    His fielding was below average but that is a very productive offensive player. Swisher has never approached .300 average or .400 OBP as a Yankee. O’Neill also has better power. Not to mention Swisher has played in the new Yankee stadium which by all accounts is an easier park to hit in.

    You argue that compared to the rest of the league O’Neill wasn’t that great. Ok.

    1993 – 136 OPS+
    1994 – 177 OPS+
    1995 – 137 OPS+
    1996 – 123 OPS+
    1997 – 137 OPS+
    1998 – 130 OPS+

    As we know, OPS+ is adjusted for park and league so I think this shows that O’Neill was indeed a significantly above average hitter for 6 of the 9 years he was a Yankee.

    I do not think a few hits here and there would change our opinion of Swisher. He’s above average in the regular season but not really close to Paul O’Neill. And he’s a disaster in the playoffs. Small sample, yes, but that’s all we have to go on thus far.

  284. blake October 15th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    Has anybody figured out which kingdom that pitching holds the keys to?

  285. Carlo October 15th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Nick in SF October 15th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
    The Yankees are enormous betting underdogs tomorrow night. My new mantra is ?win or lose by only a run or bust!?

    —————————————-

    If you are going to bet the Yankees you might as well bet them to win the game. They are either going to get shut down completely and give up several runs or they are going to win the game. I dont see them losing 3-2 or 1-0……..forget the +1.5 runs and just take them to win outright at +170.

  286. Carlo October 15th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    blake October 15th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
    Has anybody figured out which kingdom that pitching holds the keys to?

    ——————————————–

    Yes, the kingdom of frustration, because nothing is worse than pitching like champions and still losing at a greater than 50% clip in the postseason.

  287. blake October 15th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    @YankeeSource: Otani and his family worry about the ramifications of NPB/MLB relations if he makes move to MLB. Also him leaving at such a young age.

  288. blake October 15th, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    @YankeeSource: As far as scouting, I like his mechanics. He has a slight inverted W but that could be corrected. Build is good and high ceiling.

  289. Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    chad’s freezing me out on the chat. lol…

  290. Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    sam borden wrote this in the nytimes this afternoon:” They no longer look like a former or potential dynasty, but a big budget calamity that managed to put together one triumphant playoff run in 2009 and has been leaking oil ever since.”

    so i asked in the chat if this was any different than fans booing or do journalists have some ‘rights’ to boo that fans don’t.

    of course it never got posted.

  291. DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    Saying that O’Neill Only had “3 good seasons in pinstripes”, is something only a Stat Geek would say. Those Championship banners do Not show up onna spread sheet or a slash line.

  292. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 15th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    If I were a player and got booed heartily because I was doing poorly but got the adulation of the crowd only when I was doing well, I’d secretly give them the finger every time I played.

    fair–weath·er/adjective
    always used before a noun

    disapproving: loyal or helpful only during times of success and happiness
    They are fair-weather friends. [=they are friends when you are successful but not when you fail] fair-weather fans

  293. Carlo October 15th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 15th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
    If I were a player and got booed heartily because I was doing poorly but got the adulation of the crowd only when I was doing well, I?d secretly give them the finger every time I played.

    ————————————————————————

    A winner would do something to make them cheer. A winner would be more upset by his/her own failures to worry about the consternation he/she has caused others and their response to it. Winners overcome, losers cry to the media and say their feelings are hurt. We see where you fall.

  294. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    Uhg… this “chat” is terrible.

  295. DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    The friend thing has Nothing to do with being a fan of the New York Yankees. That’s what most of us around here are. FANS which is short for Fanatics.

  296. Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    john sterling going off for 3 innings yesterday about the bad call at 2nd base was terrible. i didnt hear him in game one but richard sandomir in the bats blog on the ny times ripped him good for whining about the ‘bad calls’ in that game.

    they should get a good announcer to do game action and just have john do his canned calls, thats all he’s good at.

  297. Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    friends? cool, tell nick i’m coming over to watch the giants with him sunday if the yankees dont have a game.

    tell him to stock up on the beer and tell his cook that my gf is lactose intolerant.

    only a fair-weather friend would not let us come hang with him after a bad PS.

  298. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    Patrick – OPS+ is not what I would consider a good indicator of how well he hit. It’s main premise is one of the stupidest statistical things in baseball, adding OPS and SLG together. How does his wOBA rank amongst the league in those same seasons? Also, as you know and stated… hitting is not everything to contributing to a winning team. It seems to be to fans though, as this is constantly the arguement that takes place. His Baserunning and Defense were detrimental to the team almost every year in pinstripes. Attempts to quantify that show ONeils value drops significantly because of this. This is why he was only over 4 WAR 3 times in 9 years (and not particularly close in any others).

  299. Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    is it even possible to be more milquetoast than chad? (well, there is sweeney…)

  300. Nick in SF October 15th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    “so i asked in the chat if this was any different than fans booing or do journalists have some ‘rights’ to boo that fans don’t.

    of course it never got posted.”

    Don’t be a big baby! It’s not a smart question and it did get posted.

  301. Ys Guy October 15th, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    i s topped reading the posts after waiting about 5 minutes. and i have to go now im glad he posted it though ill check his response later.

    and im sorry i incorrectly accused him of freezing me out.

  302. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    Why does Chad keep answering questions that could be answered by spending 3 minutes reading news about the yankees on any day this week?

    At this point I’ve submitted so many it has to be annoying to sift through them.

  303. DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    Every time he does a chat, it turns into Romper Room.

  304. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    What is very clear… and very sad for us… is that Chad has no connection insight to the clubhouse at all. Full of stock answers.

    How many times do you need to answer the “will girardi be fired” question? Especially when upper management has blatently stated that no jobs are on the line based on this postseason.

  305. smurfy October 15th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    I think booing is very counterproductive. If a fella has a heart, it has to challenge the resolve it takes to suceeed at the difficult and confusing task of hitting ML pitchers. In that split second of decision, weighing risks of missing or catching, of personal bodily risk, it can’t help if the person has to think of the risk of laughter or booing.

    In my perspective, the ideal team to play for, my teammates deserve my best efforts, and the fans are part of the family. My psyche would be disturbed if the fans whom I had risked limb for turned on me.

    Lack of effort is culpable, and there should be a sign over the entrance to the field to the effect that if you do not run hard to first, you won’t get a second chance. Swish’s judgement on that pop, I do not understand, and if someone slipped a boo, I wouldn’t blame them, but I presume he saw a sufficient risk of failure and double disaster, because that man wants to win, sure as the lights gets in your eyes.

  306. DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Merely “Wanting to win” don’t feed the bulldog. Just Gimme All ya got and we are Hunky Dory. Cano did Not run-it-out to 1B yesterday, and he Now has NOT dove for grounders, late in games with the tying run at 2B twice. The guy does Not merit a better than $100 Mill committment from the Yanks and should be traded.

  307. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    There is no second basemen even remotely as good as Cano. He’s the professional, it’s his decision when diving is necessary.

    Your off-the-couch opinion is noted on his lack of effort though.

  308. Treeesa October 15th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Thanks for this topic, Chad. I find it really counterproductive for fans to boo, especially against their OWN team! I can’t imagine that people feel like booing will inspire the players to do better. They know what they need to do and they are trying to do it. Are they always going to be successful? Of course not. And it’s just bad timing that the team seems to be slumping right now. And the amount a player is paid has no bearing on how much we should boo them. I hear that argument a lot in regards to Alex. Imagine someone coming to your workplace when you are having a bad day and booing you and calling you a loser. Would that inspire you to do better?

    Granted, this time of the year, we are all a little bit more stressed out and into the games. My stomach rides a roller coaster through the whole play-offs. But I think the most effective way to support the team is to actually show support. Booing is not support.

  309. Nicafan October 15th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    You know I don’t boo. I just turn the game off. I live in a country where I can see baseball everywhere. Sure I followed for 162 games and yeah it’s a disappointment but I have a life. I walk away and come back and see if they are winning again. Call me fair weather but fair weather is why I moved in the first place

  310. Purenyyankee October 15th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    I pour my heart and soul into this team. I spend a ton of money attending games both home and away. I watch or listen to every game I don’t attend. Maybe I’M the fool. There is NO way some of these players care as much as WE do. And guess what? The “culprits” on this team we see every year are going to hear it. Make an effort, show some heart or leave. But don’t tell me that if I boo, it will destroy these fragile egos. Just like George’s sign stated, “Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way” Its right there for the taking! Beat Verlander’s ass, give the ball to CC, and get this thing back to the Stadium. Stop whining and start performing!

  311. Phranchise October 15th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    I don’t know if I go as far as to call these players my heroes. Is it heroic what some of these guys do in their lives?

    I do not believe in the booing, but I also believe the way the money is, the way the players treat it as a business, their money demands, open them up and are fair game to critism from those that end up paying for their salaries…… to an extent. Booing is one thing, being ridiculous to people is another.

    If Arod were making 15 million instead of 25 might make a difference. People look at the next five years, look at how that caps what the Yankees can do, look at his production and look at guaranteed money out the door even in failure. That’s not something you can boo at? And I also support Arod as some of this is simply out of his control and a few balls hit an inch one way or another could have made him one of the heroes in two of these games.

  312. justinxdance27 October 15th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    This is New York, if your going to play here, get over it.

  313. DC-Dan October 15th, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    Money isn’t a steroid. There is no reason to think that A-rod should play in NY any better than he would in Boston because we were willing to pay him more.

    If you hate the contract – that’s fine and understandable. It’s also a different conversation.

  314. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 15th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    “If you or I got paid $15 million and failed in our job you would be fired as of yesterday. ”

    Inherent in the job of a ball player is that not every swing of the bat is going to result in a hit. Teams realize that when they sign players. Also inherent is that human error is going to come into it and sometimes someone won’t get to a ball he should and errors will be made. And so on and so on.

    These are not wind-up toys that perform upon command.

    I was brought up in a household where as long as we were doing the very best we could, we were commended. As long as my parents knew we were trying, we remained in good sted. It was only when we got lazy and let down that we were “booed”. Maybe that’s carried over for me.

    I consider booing uncivilized behavior, not to mention disrespecful and disloyal.

    _________________________________

    loy·al/adjective

    [more loyal; most loyal] : having or showing complete and constant support for someone or something :faithful
    The team has many loyal fans; a loyal customer/supporter; a loyal friend. She has provided the company with many years of loyal service. fiercely/steadfastly loyal— often + to. She has remained/stayed loyal to her old friends. — opposite disloyal

    disapproving: loyal or helpful only during times of success and happiness
    They are fair-weather friends. [=they are friends when you are successful but not when you fail]. fair-weather fans

  315. mick October 15th, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    This is baseball. Booing has been around forever.
    People are not idiots, if they boo it is a reflection of how they feel.
    For the most part they are tolerant and respectful.
    It takes a lot to finally hear a boo.
    The reason we are losing is that the star players are not living up to the fans expectations.
    The expectation of winning as we have in the past, it’s not just about the money they ALL make.
    Players were booed in the past when they weren’t making money.

  316. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    Yes, but why are you surprised to find out the players don’t like to be boo’d?

    Isn’t that why you boo them? To make them feel like crap?

  317. mick October 15th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    NO. You boo them out of frustration, not to hurt them.
    Are fans supposed to sit quiet, to only cheer and talk amongst themselves when things bother them?
    Most of these players know how to take a boo and many of them just say they deserved it.
    It’s not such a big deal, only in today’s PC world…

  318. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    Are they supposed to sit quiet? NO!

    Are you supposed to be so completely naive about the impact of your actions? NO!

    Even the ones that said they deserved it would tell you that it bothers them. If they don’t then they are lying to you.

    Swisher should be praised for being honest with the fan base. He loves playing here and he is apparently really hurt by some thing they said to him.

    This was not normal boo’ing going on here. I imagine tons of threats towards him and his family were flung. it gets personal out there in RF… and that is no appropriate.

    You can BOOOOOOOO… but you should only do that. No more.

  319. Phranchise October 15th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Yes, the business of baseball is very much about failure. But then I don’t understand, you can get paid on your success, but then there is absolutely no downside to failure? That makes no sense. I would say 0 for 26 is a failure? If it isn’t that what exactly is? And we are saying these guys worst case senario will all be getting paid. We are talking about booing after a consistent amount of failure. I don’t boo. Am I ticked sure. But to say no one has the right to boo is really crazy when these guys expect to be paid ridiculous money for performance and then don’t perform. It’s not like football where a guy can get cut.

  320. mick October 15th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    Even the ones that said they deserved it would tell you that it bothers them. If they don’t then they are lying to you.
    ========================
    So if something bothers a fan he/she can’t voice it?
    Why don’t they all act like Swish and express how they feel then?
    Maybe if it bothers them, they do something about it, with a little push from the fans.
    After all, it’s all about the team, and you know we are dealing with prima donnas, for the most part.

  321. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    “So if something bothers a fan he/she can’t voice it?”

    Did you purposely not read the rest of what I posted? Or are you just trying to pick a fight…

  322. smurfy October 15th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    One point I missed earlier is when swisher failed to charge that pop, he had to think of prudence, whether if the ball bounced by him, what wold be the result, and if you factor in that voice of doubt, weighted by the severity and injustice that’s maybe been evident – sheiss, too late, maybe I can throw behind the runner. Booing cannot help, and confidence is the key to performance.

  323. ricardo1020 October 15th, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
    “patrick – Just looking at the numbers they look like OK seasons, but compared to the rest of the league in those years, they were not really what I would call “good” at the time.

    I don’t want to get pigeoned into saying that he wasn’t a good player. He was. He just gets a lot of credit for a few timely hits. 5 or 6 hits and Swisher could be cast in a completely different light. That’s not keeping things in perspective.”

    O’neill made a World Series saving catch for the final out of the 96 series on ONE good leg. Clownie, faced with the same situation, would have done a couple of somersaults and grinned while watching the winning runs score.

  324. Girasole October 15th, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    I never boo. Anyone. I do tend to curse out the opposition. With our guys, I am more inclined to urge them on, or beg and plead .

  325. mrrdmyers2 October 15th, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    Only booed a Yankee once in my life – ARod after his last strikeout Wednesday night against Baltimore. Why? 1. He’s making $25 mil and took the money and abused his body with drugs that have now left him a shell of the player the Yankees paid for, and you know he won’t retire, rather he’ll make us live with this pathetic performance for 5 more years. 2) Wanted Yankee ownership, especially Hank Steinbrenner, know I think they’re idiots to extend him until the age of 42.

  326. smurfy October 15th, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    well, Mrr Myers the second, we paid him already (and by our good credit) (1) ; and furthermore, what we gonna do with him (2) for 5 more years, as we are contractually bound? Are we to denigrate his skills (or hire an assasin) until he relents? Or are we to nurture this asset, help him find legal means to nurse a hip to ultimate glory?

  327. smurfy October 15th, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    I ask, knowing that we have a smart (show me the Hardy deker) and powerful man, who knows when to charge, how to charge, and knows when to retreat; who knows pitching, and who knows hitting. Shall we forget about it, or should we help him to find a comfortable spot, and swing, in his old age?

    Boo. I said it for you.

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