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Universal truth: “When you see us struggle, it was around chases”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 15, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

“When you’re going well, you know it’s because you’re swinging at good pitches. And when you’re not, a lot of the times it’s because you expand the zone. The combination of good pitching and maybe swinging at a few bad pitches here and there, it’s not a good combination.”
-Mark Teixeira

As more than half of the Yankees lineup has fallen into a collective slump, there does seem to be one universal truth: They’re chasing bad pitches. Five lineup regulars — Russell Martin, Alex Rodriguez, Robinson Cano, Nick Swisher and Curtis Granderson — are hitting below .200 in the postseason. Granderson has 14 strikeouts in 26 at-bats, Rodriguez has 12 strikeouts, Swisher has eight strikeouts and Eric Chavez is 0-for-11 with six Ks.

“We’re all doing the same thing,” Rodriguez said. “If you look at our rally (Saturday) night, it was at strikes. When you see us struggle, it was around chases. If a guy gets you out in the strike zone, then you can tip your cap a little bit, but not when you help out and expand it.”

There haven’t been many pitching surprises in the postseason. Against the Yankees powerful lineup, pitchers often focus on offspeed pitches away, and the Yankees have seen a lot of those. They’ve also seen plenty of breaking balls in the dirt, which Granderson especially seems to be going after.

“We go into every series knowing what to expect, and I don’t think we’ve been off,” hitting coach Kevin Long said. “… When a pitcher is pitching you a certain way, understand what he’s doing. I don’t know that we have a number of individuals that don’t understand what’s going on. There’s going to be certain circumstances where maybe a guy over swings when he should be trying to get a base hit, but I don’t think that’s a big sample size.”

As Joe Girardi said last night, it’s all about adjustments. This late in the year, it’s hard to expect significant mechanical changes, but that doesn’t seem to be the Yankees biggest problem at this point. It’s their approach. Hard to hit when they’re swinging at pitchers’ pitches.

“If you have an understanding of what they’re trying to do to you, maybe we’ll chase a little bit less,” Russell Martin said. “Just knowing that they’re using our aggressiveness against us right now as a group. We get in spots where we get guys in scoring position, we have to know they’re going to try to make us chase. It’s easier said than done, but if everybody just turns it up a notch, we’ll be all right.”

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201 Responses to “Universal truth: “When you see us struggle, it was around chases””

  1. MG October 15th, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    If the Yankees want a chance to win the ALCS they have to win tomorrow against Verlander.

    There isn’t much ‘chasing’ to do, it’s his heat vs their swings.

    Put the ball in play where it’s pitched, get some guys on base, score a few runs.

    If not, book your tee times…

  2. luis October 15th, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    luis October 15th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
    J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
    primo!

    How is everything?

    You’re dreamin’ my friend .

    I’m all for Oppenheimer as well, but I don’t see Hal changing anything. As some have said, K-Long will probably be a sacrificial lamb if they lose – just a symbolic firing that doesn’t alter anything of import.

    I’d sign the Melkito for next season. That’s suddenly a low cost/lean year deal and you’re getting a terrific player at 28 who can cut it on the big stage. But of course, they will never do it.

    ======================

    Primo!

    I am doing fine….I bit frustrated, but fine.

    I know I am dreaming. it doesn´t mean that some of those things should be done. I would sign Melky in a NY minute. You get a contact hitter with great situational skills that are sorely missed in this lineup. And he is 28, some youth won´t hurt either.

    ID,

    I don´t know if it goes against the CBA, but there must be a way, since those contracts were signed before the new CBA, so they shouldn´t have counted for it. A basic legal principle: irretroactivity of the law, unless it benefits the citizen subject tio the new messure.

  3. jpao89 October 15th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    And now for the “no f—— sh–” moment of the year. Now what the heck are they going to do about it? They have the same problem most years in the playoffs and do nothing about it. Why should we expect anything different this year?

  4. luis October 15th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    It´s not only their approach Joe…Their bat speed is gone as well…>But yeah, they could do much better if they would shorten up those very looong swings they have

  5. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    You can hear it directly from the players mouths. it’s a slump. It’s just baseball.

    Lucky for us, the players that get signed to big contracts usually get them because of their ability to stay out of prolonged slumps.

    A day off was sorely needed for this club, and I can’t forgive at all MLB for bowing to the TV schedule.

  6. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    luis – I just seem to remember (while conversing about deferring Jeter money) that stuff like ownership and stock options were specifically forbidden.

    Something like the personal services contract that Pujols got seems to be the new way around it. Unfortunately I think it would take an entire year of really poor performance from A-Rod to prompt such a move.

    Betters odds are that once he gets healthy, he will be fine. He hasn’t hit since he broke his hand and that is not a coincidence.

  7. PacoDooley October 15th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    I missed the chat and wanted to ask – does Swisher get a qualifying offer. I would assume ‘yes’

  8. Phranchise October 15th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    Like the regular season you hope they suddenly break out of it. It seems they need a few guys to get hot before the rest follow suit. I can’t believe that Cano went from that to this. Will it take a single in the first inning to kick start it. I only see two guys capable of doing it. Ichiro and Cano. Those two coupled with Tex swinging decently and Raul, now you have something. Then you need the other gusy to simply chip in. Unlikely it will happen, but they did sort of go thru these strings during the season. Day off, new park who knows? The pitchers don’t seem to matter much either when they get going and same for when they are going poorly. Even CC vs Scherzer is advatage Tigers the way they can’t score.

  9. Tyler October 15th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    A day off was sorely needed for this club, and I can’t forgive at all MLB for bowing to the TV schedule.
    —————————————————-

    I think the day off is really huge. 5 days in a row of frustration can definitely build up. Getting out of New York could really help them too. Really nobody expects them to win tomorrow, they can just go out and play.

  10. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    Tyler – Got that right – NOONE expects them to win tomorrow

  11. blake October 15th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    PacoDooley says:
    October 15, 2012 at 4:16 pm
    I missed the chat and wanted to ask – does Swisher get a qualifying offer. I would assume ‘yes’

    You have to…. He won’t take it and then you get a draft pick

  12. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 15th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    As a man, will Arod continue to get on the field when he really starts to stink up the joint? Pride should guide him into an early retirement if need be. A disgraceful, chemically enhanced cheetah.

  13. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Arbitration for Swisher would not be based on his postseason performance much, so the Yankees would only offer it if they thought someone else will actually pay him $15mil a year. I don’t see who that club would be. I bet they think they can get him at a discount, due to his love of playing in NY and if his postseason struggles continue. Who will spend that money with such a sour taste in their mouth?

    I don’t see a better option out there to play RF though (JUpton is not an option, he’s just as maddeningly inconsistent, and BOTH the Upton’s are highly injury prone). He just has to get over this.

  14. Tyler October 15th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Hassey-

    I think they will though. Nothing particular stats to back me up on this but Hughes pitched extremely well at Comerica earlier this year. I think we see shades of ’07 Hughes and he outpitches Verlander. Out on a limb but I think the Yanks scratch across 3 against Justin.

  15. Phranchise October 15th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    This team and offense also doesn’t have a rallying cry and not really much of a character beyond being home run happy. If you have to focus on the booing fans or the world being against you so be it. Bond together root for each other and win together. Or they can all keep swinging for the fences every at bat, worry about the booing instead of hitting and play like they were lucky to get into the playoffs.

    Where’s the WWF belt or the cream pies ? Johnny Damon always seemed good at keeping these guys loose and confident.

  16. Tyler October 15th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Is Swisher a “Class A” or whatever that designation is that gets you an actual 1st round pick?

  17. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 15th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    Sometimes you just have to let him go..Swisher that is. He has worn out his welcome and a change of scenery would do him well. Perhaps Cashman can pick him up for 2013 and trade him. Grandy is good for a trade as well. How about trading Arod, Grandy and Swisher for David Wright and Dicky?

  18. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    Why on earth would you want Dickey? He didn’t get lucky enough this year already? You want to double down on that?

  19. blake October 15th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    It’s a no brainer to offer Swisher, Kuroda, and Soriano the qualifying offer IMO….. The one to think about is Martin…… You’d be over paying him in 2013 …. But they may not have a better option and doing it ensures its a one year deal and also keeps you flexible for 2014

  20. Bo knows October 15th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    Granderson is the greatest puzzle. That hitch in his swing started about August of last year and has gotten progressively worse. The irony, the quickest bat, the earliest start.

  21. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    I’d like to see Kid Rock do the National Anthem or at least whatever the Tiggers choose for the 7th inning stretch. I know we lost in ’06, but it really was a great moment when the Temptations sang the anthem at the first ALDS home game vs. the Yanks. Then Kenny took over and Bernie ripped that foul line drive which would have changed the game if fair

  22. luis October 15th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    ID,

    About Swisher, I am not sure, but I think all they need to do is offer him a qualifying offer which is the average of the top 100 contracts or so. It won´t be 15 mil, but something around 13 mil. He will turn it down, since he would be looking for a multi year deal. And if he accepts, you a known quantity for just one more year.

    I am a big fan of Arod, but he won´t be breaking any records. And he is breaking down and fast. That´s why I said that it would depend on how he performs in 2013. I hope you are right though. By the way, it´s great to have you posting again.

  23. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    The WWF belt was Swishers doing, wasn’t it?

    And yes, he should be Type A Tyler.

  24. blake October 15th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    They don’t have class “A” anymore….my understanding is that if you make a player the qualifying offer of 13.5 million and they decline then you get a pick

  25. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    Is that a specific number blake, or that is related to Swisher directly?

  26. luis October 15th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Blake,

    About Kuroda…I would offer him more than a qualifying offer, he has earned it.

  27. Bo knows October 15th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    I think Alex will be fine. Other, less talented, players have adjusted to slower bat speeds. He just needs to work out his mechanics. It’ll probably be next year but them’s the breaks.

  28. blake October 15th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    ID,

    It’s the average of the top 100 contracts which is 13 million something….

  29. luis October 15th, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    It´s the same to all ID..The average of a certain number of top contracts, which is around 13 mil a little more or a little less

  30. blake October 15th, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    Luis ,

    I’d offer Kuroda the qualifying offer in case he left so you’d get a pick….but if he declined Id still try like crazy to sign him

  31. Tackelberry October 15th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Brian Cashman was on with Michael Kay a while ago and from his comments, it sounded like Gardner might be in the lineup tommorrow. With the spacious outfield in Comerica Park, and the fact that their approach against Verlander is to try and get on base and manufacture runs, it makes alot of sense. Kay went on to say later that he would sit Granderson AND Swisher tommorrow night and put Gardner in left, Ichiro in CF, and Ibanez in right and DH Chavez, and said he’d sacrifice defense at SS for offense and go with Nunez at SS. I agree for the most part, though I leave Ichiro in left and put Gardner in center

  32. blake October 15th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    They don’t have type As and type Bs anymore really…..

  33. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    I wouldn’t double down on Kuroda. We got lucky enough with him this year. Even as a supporter of his from the beginning I never expected anything like this. I wouldn’t be completely opposed but it would be hard to expect anything like this season from him again.

  34. blake October 15th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    Kuroda has been good every single season into big leagues….it’s not like he was good out of nowhere this year

  35. JonS October 15th, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    “There’s going to be certain circumstances where maybe a guy over swings when he should be trying to get a base hit, but I don’t think that’s a big sample size.” – Kevin Long

    Ummm what? A small sample size? That’s what we’ve been seeing the entire postseason (and beyonf for a few players).

  36. Tyler October 15th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    blake-

    I didn’t know they took away those designations. Kind of nice I guess because certain positions had some really bad players fetching teams 1st round picks.

    I agree that they should be pretty aggressive in throwing out qualifying offers. Martin is tough. I don’t think he could get a multi-year deal from any team but catcher is such a weak position that maybe it’s possible. I like the 1 year contract but 13 million for him is brutal. I would have loved to kick the tires on a Brian McCann trade but Trader said that he heard they were picking up his option and not re-signing Bourn.

  37. luis October 15th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Have to go guys…Have a good one all…One more thing though, I would like your take on this:

    Do we need to have a lousy season to improve our drafting position? I think we might.

    Blake,

    Me too, I would love him to stay, but if we can´t keep him, we should get the draft pick. Later

  38. luis October 15th, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    I wouldn´t give Martin a qualifying offer, he is not worth half of that. He is a good BUC at best

  39. blake October 15th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    Yea I don’t see the braves dealing Mcann… I do think they could use Granderson …..that’s a good trade fit to me

  40. blake October 15th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    Martin isn’t great but who else do they have? I think somebody will offer him more than a year and to keep him my guess is the Yanks will have to go at least 2 years and maybe 3……I’d rather over pay him for 1 year than sign up for 2 or 3

  41. JobaTipsHisCap October 15th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    don’t make offer to Swisher.
    let him test the free market.

  42. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    blake – I know this :) No one here watched Kuroda pitch in Dodger Blue more than I did because I’ve owned him in FBB since he first came over (I watch almost all of my starters pitch all season). He pitched almost exactly to his career numbers this year, and that is really impressive moving to the AL East from the NL. It’s just a matter of how much longer can he do it. There was already concern when he was 37. Now he’ll be 38. I don’t necessarily think relying on Pettitte to come back is a good idea either… but he’s Andy freaking Pettitte :)

    It would be nice if it wasn’t even a thought, and Pineda could be counted on but at this point there is no way to know how ready he will be until ST… which is too late. Banuelos/Betances taking steps back didn’t help matters either.

  43. blake October 15th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    Bo knows says:
    October 15, 2012 at 4:29 pm
    I think Alex will be fine. Other, less talented, players have adjusted to slower bat speeds. He just needs to work out his mechanics. It’ll probably be next year but them’s the breaks.

    I think he will figure out how to hit again if he can stay healthy enough to do it

  44. Tyler October 15th, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    blake-

    I’m awful at gauging trade value but do you think Granderson could net a top 10 prospect out of the Braves system? Or maybe one of their starters outside of Medlen or Hudson?

  45. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    A-Rod was hitting fine before Felix hit him. Now all the sudden he has no power in his swing and gets owned on meatball fastballs. His last 2 injuries have not been age related, although his recovery time certainly is.

    Dot, meet Dot.

  46. Tyler October 15th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    I would give Martin the qualifying offer. The budget reduction really isn’t supposed to kick in until 2014 so 1 year of overpaid Martin would be fine. That would give Romine a year to prove that he can stay healthy and take over the job, along with Sanchez continuing to develop.

    I wouldn’t like giving Martin that much money but I’d live with it.

  47. jacksquat October 15th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    A qualifying offer to Martin is crazy. That’s twice what he should get yearly. You may as well offer him two years then.

  48. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    blake October 15th, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    Luis ,

    I’d offer Kuroda the qualifying offer in case he left so you’d get a pick….but if he declined Id still try like crazy to sign him
    ///

    OMG yes. He’s nails. Imagine these guys with a real offense.

  49. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    This was in Sheehans article on SI today… I thought it was very well said for a topic we rail on about endlessly.

    3. #humanelement

    That’s the Twitter hashtag used to denote umpiring follies, especially ones that would be correctable quickly and painlessly by a fifth umpire in a replay booth, that are allowed to change the course of baseball games because people tend to have power and fear change in equal proportion. In Game 1 of the ALCS on Saturday, Robinson Cano beat out an infield single with the bases loaded in the second inning to give the Yankees an early 1-0 lead. That’s what happened. What also happened is that first-base umpire Rob Drake called Cano out, replacing what happened with his version, which ended the inning, keeping the game tied. On Sunday in ALCS Game 2, Nick Swisher made a terrific play in the eighth inning, throwing behind Omar Infante rounding second base on Austin Jackson’s single to end the inning and cut short a Tigers rally. That’s what happened. What also happened is that second-base umpire Jeff Nelson called Infante safe, replacing what happened with his version, which extended the inning. The Tigers would use their fourth out to score two critical insurance runs.

    It helps to think of things in these terms: Something happened, and the lowest-paid people on the field decided it didn’t happen, that something else happened. We shouldn’t be OK with this. The only humans whose element matters are the players. Bring on expanded replay to end this constant altering of reality by middle management functionaries.

  50. blake October 15th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    I’m awful at gauging trade value but do you think Granderson could net a top 10 prospect out of the Braves system? Or maybe one of their starters outside of Medlen or Hudson?”

    Possibly yea

  51. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    Something of note: Granderson finished 4th in MVP voting… so his 2013 option is for $15m… not $13m.

  52. blake October 15th, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    A qualifying offer to Martin is crazy. That’s twice what he should get yearly. You may as well offer him two years then.”

    Depends on how they are planning for 2014 and whether that extra money he would cost that year could be used on something else

  53. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Alex was hitting when he came back initially. It was clear the rest did him good. The hand is probably mitigating. Roger Maris had a hand break and was never quite the same player. Hopefully, Alex’s troubles vanish when the hand heals. I don’t think a return of real power is in his future, however.

    Alex was rested constantly by Girardi this season. He really slept on Jeter, though, IMO. He started to give him half days down the stretch, but neglected to give him enough breathers over the course of the season. Jeter’s weakened state may not have gotten to such a crisis point if they had treated him like a 38-year old player, rather than the .300 hitter they couldn’t do without day in and day out.

  54. blake October 15th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    The Braves were gonna trade Delgado for 3 months of Ryan Dempster.

    They new outfield help as prado will move to 3b and Bourn will be gone

  55. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    According to Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe, the Red Sox were scheduled to interview Yankees bench coach Tony Pena on Monday for their vacant manager position.

    Ha… man no one wants a job that 2 years ago everyone would have been clamoring for.

  56. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    Blake, I like your trade! Grandy for McCann! :D

  57. djsunyc October 15th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    with the way the staff has pitched in the postseason and with the somewhat warmer bat martin has had in september and the postseason, i can see giradi + cash definitely wanting him back next year.

  58. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    Prufrock – It’s also entirely possible that Jeter’s ankle has been slightly fractured for weeks of fouling balls off of it and he never said anything. Can never be sure with him that he’s not playing through one injury or another. Much the same way I feel about A-Rod. Pride is not already a great thing :/ More rest may have helped, but he has been beating the heck out of that ankle for nearly a month now. It could easily have been weakened it to the point where a little pressue int he wrong direction and *snap*.

  59. Chambliss October 15th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    “There’s going to be certain circumstances where maybe a guy over swings when he should be trying to get a base hit, but I don’t think that’s a big sample size.” – Kevin Long

    Certain circumstances?? Is this guy watching the same games that I have been watching? Granderson, Swisher and Cano are all swinging for the fences every time up, and often times with two strikes. What is Cano 0-26? That might be a small sample size in the regular season, but not now.

    I hope that Long and the position players are watching a lot of film today, and that the realize that a different hitting approach is necessary. Otherwise, Verlander will probably throw a no hitter.

  60. Tyler October 15th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    JAP-

    They aren’t going to trade McCann, haha. I wonder if the Braves are still high on Tommy Hanson… he never really lived up to the hype but has been decent. He would free up a guy like Hughes to maybe become trade bait. Hughes to KC for Gordon? Deal.

  61. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    Prufrock – I apologize for having to translate that awfully written post. lol :(

  62. bruceb October 15th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    Something happened, and the lowest-paid people on the field decided it didn’t happen, that something else happened.

    Very good point but my concern is just how far do you go with technology and booth reviews.

    They work in football because of the stop-start nature of the game. Likewise cricket, but not soccer. Imagine a five-hour game between the Yanks and Sox at Fenway and add on another 30 minutes to decide three or four disputed calls.

    Why not go the whole hog and get rid of umpires altogether? You can control the whole game from the booth, including calling balls and strikes?

  63. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    ID,

    Jeter has played in games during the season where he was visibly limping. These are the times the manager has to pull rank and say, “Jete, you’re not going today.” Letting Jeter dictate playing every day isn’t in the best interest of the team or the player.

    They had a shot of Jeter climbing stairs after a game recently. I’m sure he’d have been furious that cameras caught it, but watching him climb those stairs was shocking. He sort of stiff-legged the left leg and eased it up very deliberately, one stair at a time.

  64. PacoDooley October 15th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    Tyler October 15th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
    Is Swisher a “Class A” or whatever that designation is that gets you an actual 1st round pick?
    —————————

    There is no longer a class A or class B classification. If you make a player a ‘qualifying offer’ (i.e., you are willing to pay the average of the top 125 annualized salaries) then you can get a sandwich round pick and the team that signs them loses a pick.

  65. blake October 15th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    Hansons shoulder scares me….Minor is the one I’d really want

  66. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    Nice article about what’s been going on in the postseason for the Cano.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....o-matters/

  67. blake October 15th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    He would free up a guy like Hughes to maybe become trade bait. Hughes to KC for Gordon? Deal.”

    I’d think about that….but honestly Id rather extend Hughes than trade him based in what they know now…..now if Kuroda and Andy come back and it’s looking like Pineda could help then maybe that gives you more leeway…..right now though Phil is your 2 be beat starter under contract for 2013

  68. PacoDooley October 15th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    You have to make Swisher a qualifying offer. Same goes for Kuroda. Soriano I am not so sure of – though I suppose his current contract is worth more next year than what the qualifying offer value is, so you might as well and assume he declines.

    This is one of the few remaining places where the Yankees can use their financial position to their advantage. They could land a couple of extra almost-first-round picks this way. if players accept, then they pay them and be happy that it is on a one year deal. It’s different from the way the type A system worked, where you would have to offer arbitration with the potential that a player you are already overpaying will come back for a crazy one year salary.

  69. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    Tyler, what a bonanza that would be though!

    I’d kill to have McCann. He can hit behind Cano (if Joe doesn’t freak out about the two lefties). Wonder if the short porch would get funky with his swing….

  70. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    I like Hanson, but the guy is always hurt. I don’t want to trade Phil Hughes.

  71. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    Prufrock – I agree that at times Jeter was visibly hurt and not removed from games. Then he would hit a double and run full speed without limping. I want whatever painkillers they put him on. :)

    These guys have too much pride to sit down and let someone else take their place. This is both good and bad. Not sure how you can help a players desire to be playing at all times and willingness to conceal injuries. Especially in and around playoff time.

  72. Frankg October 15th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    When hitters don’t perform to their ability, the hitting coach’s job is in jepardy. Kevin Long hasn’t helped much all season. Granderson is hitting like when he was with the Tigers–very streaky and with many weak strikeouts, but more homers now. He is a flawed talent.

    Verlander is due for a bad outing. Keep the faith.

  73. Against All Odds October 15th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    The problem is their inability to develop guys who can be 2-way players.

    ———————

    How about the inability to develop players period.

  74. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    It will only get worse with Jeter and Arod concealing injuries going forward, I think. Their desire to silence the “he’s getting old crowd” ends up going a long way towards proving that it’s true. :(

  75. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    ID,

    He can have pride about it during the stretch run and in the post.

    Periodic rest, over the course of an entire season, is the ticket.

  76. austinmac October 15th, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    Since the Yankees finished with one of the best records in MLB, they will have less to spend. At some point, extra picks cost too much to be able to sign. I don’t see how they can sign 3-4 first or supplemental round picks.

  77. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    We were able to hit Verlander last year.

    Gardner did a nice job sort of sneaking up on Detroit pitchers. They regarded him lightly, and he made them pay with a nice short stroke and used his legs really well.

    Too bad they chased Jorge out. Would kill to have his bat for this series.

  78. Warning Track Power October 15th, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    ID

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    I don’t think that’s very important or worthy of a discussion.

  79. JonS October 15th, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    austinmac – their pool will increase to sign to supplemental picks.

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  81. Tyler October 15th, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    Yeah I wouldn’t trade Hughes if Pettite and/or Kuroda don’t come back. He is an interesting trade piece to improve the lineup though. I think he can still improve some but his flyball tendencies make me nervous at Yankee Stadium.

  82. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    “I don’t think that’s very important or worthy of a discussion.”

    WTP – I was merely suggesting that Jeter’s ankle didn’t “just break” the other night… It was very likely already broken. No amount of rest would have changed that.

  83. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    Also not terribly concerned with what you think merits discussion… no offense but it’s…. my name….

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  85. blake October 15th, 2012 at 5:56 pm

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    Yea Im just not sure they can afford to move him right now without knowing how the rest of te rotation will shake out….they could shop Nova and Phelps as well….both who should have value

    Headley honestly might be the best fit for their needs…. He could take over at 3B and even play some corner OF on days when you play Alex in the field….. Switch hitter… Good OBP guy…. Right on his prime….cost controlled…..the Yanks matchup better for a trade with the Padres than the Dbacks as the Padres kinda need everything.

    I could get down with this lineup next year but it’ll never happen

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    Tex
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    Gardner

    That keeps you very flexible for 2014 and gets you much younger at two spots in the lineup

  86. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    Huge fan of Headley. Can’t expect the power to repeat but he is a solid hitter and good enough in the field. Leading the NL in RBI’s and not going to make him a cheap acquisition though.

  87. blake October 15th, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    “Huge fan of Headley. Can’t expect the power to repeat but he is a solid hitter and good enough in the field. Leading the NL in RBI’s and not going to make him a cheap acquisition though.”

    I don know….you take him out of that airport called Petco and put him in the AL east parks and he might just hit lots of homers

  88. blake October 15th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    I’m thinking Headley would cost one of Hughes/ Nova/Phelps plus maybe Nunez and at least one of the Sanchez/Mason/Austin crew…….

  89. Against All Odds October 15th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

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  90. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    blake – It’s not homers I’m really even talking about with him, I’m sure some of this production will stick, but I’m not sure a player has ever doubled their ISO and kept it all :) His LD/FB/GB rates are all the same, but his HR/FB went through the roof.

    Judging by the way this offense has been… and the attitude around here, I’m not so sure that HR is where the focus should be. Headley may have broken out in the power department a little but more importantly he walks. He needs to cut down on his strikeouts before he’ll become a truly star caliber player.

  91. blake October 15th, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    The Yankees tend to do the opposite of team Greedys wishes…. Team Greedy wanted Matt Holiday ….no…..they wanted Beltran…..no……they wanted to keep Montero and sign Darvish…..no……they wanted Headley at the deadline….no…..etc

  92. BobbyJones October 15th, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    So yankees hit Verlander tomorrow?

  93. blake October 15th, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    ID,

    Yea I don’t think he has to hit 30 homers to help them….he switch hits without a major split and gets on base a lot and is a good defender at 3rd…and he’s fairly cheap

  94. Against All Odds October 15th, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    blake October 15th, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    The Yankees tend to do the opposite of team Greedys wishes…. Team Greedy wanted Matt Holiday ….no…..they wanted Beltran…..no……they wanted to keep Montero and sign
    Darvish…..no……they wanted Headley at the deadline….no…..etc

    ———————-

    Team greedy needs to start doing to reverse. Re-sign Jones to a 3 yr deal

  95. blake October 15th, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    BobbyJones says:
    October 15, 2012 at 6:12 pm
    So yankees hit Verlander tomorrow?

    I doubt it…..they might could score a run or two off Kate Upton though if her CU wasn’t on that day

  96. theREALkevin October 15th, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    Wtf at calling Kuroda lucky this year, are you kidding me? Guy has filthy stuff most of the time and he’s smart. There was no “luck” involved with how he did this season. Maybe you get scared of his age going forward so you don’t sign him but there was nothing lucky about how he performed this year.

  97. mick October 15th, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    Ichiro,Cano,Tex,Ibanez,Arod,Grandy,Nunez,Martin,Gardy

    Swisher sealed the deal with his RF play or lack of it.

  98. Irreverent Discourse October 15th, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    kevin – Kuroda performing better in the AL East than in the NL West doesn’t seem lucky to you?

    Whatever.

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    “I don’t want to get pigeoned into saying that he (O’neill) wasn’t a good player. He was. He just gets a lot of credit for a few timely hits. 5 or 6 hits and Swisher could be cast in a completely different light. That’s not keeping things in perspective.”

    You’re delusional, IR. Go check the postseason batting stats of O’neill vs. Swisher. Not to mention, O’neill made a World Series saving catch for the final out of the ’96 series on ONE good leg. Clownie, faced with the same situation, would have done a couple of somersaults and grinned while watching the Braves score the winning runs.

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  102. ricardo1020 October 15th, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    Has he not committed enough blunders in RF recently for you to have noticed?

  103. Warning Track Power October 15th, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    BobbyJones October 15th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
    So yankees hit Verlander tomorrow?
    ——————————————————————————————-

    Yes they can!

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