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What has happened to Robinson Cano?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 15, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I’m flying to Detroit this morning, and when I get there, I’m going to host a chat starting at 2 p.m. (we were shooting for noon, but my flight keeps getting delayed). Stop by if you can. I’m sure some of you have plenty to say. Until then…

What’s wrong with Robinson Cano?

Alex Rodriguez has been benched and pulled for pinch hitters. Curtis Granderson has swung and missed so often that some prefer a center fielder with three Major League at-bats since April. Nick Swisher’s postseason struggles have reached a point that even his fans in the right field bleachers are booing him.

But the most unexpected problem — and perhaps the most damaging problem — in the Yankees lineup is Cano.

The team’s best hitter, who seemed primed to carry this offense after his monster performance down the stretch, has set a franchise record for the longest hitless at-bats streak in Yankees postseason history. He’s gone 26 at-bats without a hit.

“When things don’t go your way and you start to struggle a little bit, you feel added pressure,” hitting coach Kevin Long said. “I’m sure he feels some added pressure. It’s my job to make sure that we kind of go through his at-bats, go through his approach, make sure he’s understanding what’s happening and go from there. And we will.”

Cold at the wrong time
In his final nine games of the regular season, Cano hit .615/.628/1.026 to help the Yankees clinch the division. In the 2010 and 2011 postseasons, Cano hit .333/.367/.737 with six home runs in 14 games. It’s hard to make a case that Cano simply doesn’t handle the pressure of big games. Hitters go through peaks and valleys — we all know this — and Cano’s obviously hit the bottom at the worst time.

“This game, it’s a very cruel game sometimes,” Mark Teixiera said. “When you’re hot, it’s fun and you enjoy it and the team’s winning and you’re putting up your numbers. When you’re cold it stinks. I’ve been cold plenty of times and it’s not a fun feeling. Robbie just, he’s been a little unlucky too. Let’s not (forget), he’s hit some balls hard this series.”

Hitting into bad luck
Players and coaches say this all the time, and there’s usually a bit of truth to it, but it’s not the sort of thing anyone wants to hear. Yes, Cano has hit some balls awfully hard this postseason. It’s easiest to point to that ball off the pitcher on Saturday night, but there have been some balls driven to the outfield as well.

“(Saturday) was a prime example of a guy who I thought swung the bat really well and got nothing,” Long said. “He got nothing, guys. He lined out to left, he lined out to left, he hit a ball hard off the pitcher, and he hit a ball hard to first. What did he get, 0-for-6? And what does that look like, he stunk? He didn’t stink (Saturday). Some things have to go his way too.”

Make your own luck
Cano can be a free swinger. That’s always been the case. He’s going to take some hacks at some bad pitches, but that approach has worked for him. He’s probably heading toward a third straight season finishing Top 10 in MVP voting. But we’ve also seen that approach lead to some slumps like this. When Cano goes cold, it can be all the more maddening because of how good he can be when things are going right.

“It is odd,” Joe Girardi said. “You know this is a really, really good hitter that is struggling right now, and he’s not getting a lot of pitches to hit. So it’s odd to me because this guy’s really a good hitter.”

Nothing to do but keep swinging
Cano doubled in each of the first two games of this postseason. He had three RBI, reached base three times and never struck out in those first two games. He’d been hotter at the end of the regular season, but those two games in Baltimore weren’t cause for extreme alarm. As bad as the overall numbers are at this point, it really does come down to five hitless games. Cano’s not going to be benched for that, and his talent is too great to take him out of a key spot in the order. The Yankees need him to hit, and the’re going to keep giving him chances.

“There’s no explanation for that (hitless streak),” Cano said. “All you can say is forget about what happened in the past few games, be positive and ready for Tuesday. … You just have to keep swinging. You keep playing the game, and that’s the only way you can turn it around.”

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210 Responses to “What has happened to Robinson Cano?”

  1. Jeremy October 15th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    There are plenty of articles on Swisher being upset with the fans booing him and calling him out. Grow the hell up and stop complaining !

    Swisher is one of the worst playoff performers in postseason history, he sucks defensively, and his overall approach to the game sucks. He should feel lucky that this team took him in because he won a World Series ring (despite his horrible play), and has a very good looking wife because he became a somebody when he joined the Yankees. Prior to joining this team the guy was a nobody. Can’t wait till he is gone.

  2. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    I haven’t been able to post in a while because the whole Jeter thing is still sort of consuming me… but I do love that this team is so shocked is can’t produce offensively. The last post is a gold mine of irony.

  3. Jeremy October 15th, 2012 at 9:01 am

    Another reason why fans are upset is because they know this team/ organization is going downhill and fast. Why do you think people are not showing up to the ballpark ? People can see the handwriting.

    Too much dead old weight on this team. repost

  4. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 9:02 am

    Swisher is and has been lucky Alex has been on this team for his entire tenure. Otherwise, this crowd would be having both he and Grandy begging for their mothers.

    Cano…. I still love you man.

    We’re in a tough spot here… but you’re always one win away from shifting the momentum. Phil Hughes beating Justin Verlander could be that win.

  5. mick October 15th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Spunky Shame Spencer.

  6. blake October 15th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    blake says:
    October 15, 2012 at 9:10 am
    86w183 says:
    October 15, 2012 at 9:03 am
    Just reading his comments it seems to me he was most bothered by comments that his misplay of the line drive led to Jeter’s broken ankle.

    I think Jeter’s ankle was probably going to blow at some point anyway if he played long enough on it….facts are that If Swisher catches two balls Saturday then it probably wouldn’t have been that night but for fans to blame swish for the injury it’s kinda dumb…..but fans are emotional an when their captain and soul of the team goes down (and one of the only guys with a pulse offensively) then they are going to blame somebody …..nick has to have thicker skin

  7. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    The Four Horsemen of the Yankee Apocalypse -

    It is truly The End of Times…at least it seems that way – is it even possible that Tuesday is a reverse lock? Naaah, that can only happen when you have at least some good hitters waiting to break out. We only have bad hitters waiting to find a nut

  8. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    mick October 15th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    if they made it personal does he not have the right to voice his opinion.
    =======================
    sure since it was his last game here he returned the favor…by saying eff u 2.

    ————–

    Can someone fill me in since I’m having a hard time reading any article about the Yanks right now..? What did the fans say to Swish? If its the just standard stuff then I think Purenyyankee is right and that he can’t really win this battle against the fans and saying anything is almost asking for it unless he produces… which he might not even have the chance to do in front of them again. (Though I hope that he gets to prove them wrong and we get something to cheer about!)

  9. blake October 15th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Robbie has been very hot and cold all year…..his final stat line is maybe the best of his career but he arrived at it much differently than he normally does…..instead of being consistently good and hitting all pitchers Robbie has kinda alternated insanely hot streaks with very cold snaps and has done most of his damage against RhP while struggling against lefties.

    I think this postseason has been a combination of him just being in a slump…..BABIP bad luck (he has hit some balls hard at people)…..and also him pressing and gettin himself out because he’s now the focus of the offense

  10. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Morning mick… seriously I wanted to, but I couldn’t even come on here after game 1.

    I just… it’s Derek. And this has just been a tough couple seasons (Jorgie, Mo, Jete..).

  11. Dj October 15th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Now we get to see those stupid towels being waved in the stands at Comerica Park – they’re very distracting to me (and annoying).

  12. mick October 15th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Swish thinks he’s here to entertain us.
    Would you use a Dr. that had his personality? If he’s gonna be a clown he better produce.
    Why aren’t there more players with a smile on their face all the time?
    Is it a coincidence that his lack of production under pressure indicates a lack of focus.
    Rather see a game face than a clown face…

  13. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    blake – Are you not impressed with how at a loss they are for their offensive struggles, though?

    I mean.. the team just hasn’t been consistent offensively this year.. and that’s expected in 162 games, but we have literally only had one consistent hitter on our team (and I can’t even talk about him because when I do I can feel my heart breaking just a little bit more…). So I’m surprised they’re surprised. But this is also how I felt when they were performing the same ‘who me?’ act in June.

  14. mick October 15th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    What did the fans say to Swish?
    ======================
    Shame, the fan was Carlo ;)….ask him.

  15. AAA October 15th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    Did fans really blame Swisher for Jeter’s injury? Or was that just hyperbole on Swisher’s part? It just seems a little silly to say, even for angry fans.

    Besides, it was Valverde’s fault that Jeter was hurt.

  16. Jeremy October 15th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    Why should we care about Swisher’s feelings ?

    The guy stinks in the postseason and he clearly can’t handle the pressure. He complains about fans booing him but that happens with every team especially when a player continues to fail and ruins the team’s chances for victory. Like I said earlier he should be lucky he joined this team a few years ago. Yeah some of the criticism is over the top but players like Cano, Granderson, Swisher and A-rod deserve to be booed.

  17. Carlo October 15th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    mick October 15th, 2012 at 9:17 am
    What did the fans say to Swish?
    ======================
    Shame, the fan was Carlo ?.ask him.

    ————————————–

    This is largely true. I have been on him the entire homestand. The guy in front of me is actually the guy who blamed the jeter injury on him though and enough people had left that it was clearly audible.

  18. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    mick October 15th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Swish thinks he’s here to entertain us.
    Would you use a Dr. that had his personality?

    ———————

    Hehehehehe :lol:

    In all fairness though, I do think Swish thinks he is here to entertain I just don’t know that he understands both sides of the coin on that.

    If the fans are going to be made miserable by the team, the team is going to be made miserable by the fans. It’s sort of like how it was living with my mother…

  19. Carlo October 15th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    I should also point out that I didnt go yesterday though so my guess is that Saturday nights vitriol further deteriorated on Sunday, thereby cracking him.

  20. Tackelberry October 15th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    Whatever hope Swisher had of maybe getting the Yanks to resign him to a multi year deal has no doubt vanished, so he’s showing some frustration as well. But I do think that Kurodas has earned himself another year or 2 in the Bronx with his performance

  21. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    Carlo October 15th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    mick October 15th, 2012 at 9:17 am
    What did the fans say to Swish?
    ======================
    Shame, the fan was Carlo ?.ask him.

    ————————————–

    This is largely true. I have been on him the entire homestand. The guy in front of me is actually the guy who blamed the jeter injury on him though and enough people had left that it was clearly audible.

    ————

    Lol, go figure! Should have known LoHud had eyes and ears everywhere..

    Look, I think blaming him for something like that is extreme, but weren’t people throwing chairs at Roger Maris lol? So… ya know… could be worse, Swishy boy.

  22. Carlo October 15th, 2012 at 9:24 am

    What swisher fails to realize is that the regular season bleecher crew is far more stubhub buyer heavy than the playoffs…….the regulars tend to be a bit less tolerant of his act given some of the controversy he stirred up early in his Yankee career with the swisher salute t shirt nonsense.

  23. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    Tackelberry October 15th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    Whatever hope Swisher had of maybe getting the Yanks to resign him to a multi year deal has no doubt vanished, so he’s showing some frustration as well. But I do think that Kurodas has earned himself another year or 2 in the Bronx with his performance

    —————-

    God willing!! Kuroda is so bad ass he only does one year deals… He’s become my #1 priority this off season though. Lock him up and it saves you a ton of headaches and question marks.

  24. Carlo October 15th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    I didnt agree with blaming him for Jeter’s injury……that to me was over the top……i get it, in the heat of the moment….but even for a guy like myself who never really cared much for swisher, i felt that was a bit absurd. That being said, his comments after the game yesterday lead me to believe he knows this series isnt coming back to New york……if he does, he will get crushed on Saturday night.

  25. RadioKev October 15th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    So could the whole fear of starting on three days rest be a myth?

  26. AAA October 15th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    Robbie has been very hot and cold all year…..his final stat line is maybe the best of his career but he arrived at it much differently than he normally does
    ========================================

    To your first point, I don’t think he could try to make an out 26 consecutive times and succeed. He’s run hot and cold but not THIS cold.

    As to how he got there, he was hitting .293 with an .881 OPS after 153 games, then went nuts on the lowly Twins, Jays and Red Sox for a week and half, adding 20 points to his batting average and 40 to his OPS. Not to say he can hit only weak pitching, because nothing can be further from the truth. Just pointing out that his already terrific season took on an even greater glow based on those last 9 games.

  27. tomingeorgia October 15th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    RadioKev October 15th, 2012 at 9:26 am
    So could the whole fear of starting on three days rest be a myth?
    —————
    Kev, a large number of the greatest pitchers ever always pitched every four days. It only began to change to four days’ rest in the late 1960s, and I’ve forgotten why!

  28. blake October 15th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    “blake – Are you not impressed with how at a loss they are for their offensive struggles, though?

    I would say Im the opposite of impressed with the offense…..Im impressed though with how they even made it this far to be honest with the way they have hit……the pitching was unreal in the ALDS or teu would have been out already.

    It’s not that surprising though….I and many other said before the postseason started that they would pitch well enough to win and they’d go as far as their offense would take them.

    I think this is especially frustrating for Yankee fans because we have been conditioned to accept losing because of poor pitching at times…..we aren’t used to watching an offense like this….we aren’t used to losing games because they can’t score…..

  29. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    RadioKev October 15th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    So could the whole fear of starting on three days rest be a myth?

    ————–

    Nah… only for a guy like KURODA.

    (another way to spell KURODA, is ‘really good pitcher’)

  30. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    tomingeorgia October 15th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    RadioKev October 15th, 2012 at 9:26 am
    So could the whole fear of starting on three days rest be a myth?
    —————
    Kev, a large number of the greatest pitchers ever always pitched every four days. It only began to change to four days’ rest in the late 1960s, and I’ve forgotten why!

    —————

    Players union :lol:

  31. blake October 15th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    RadioKev says:
    October 15, 2012 at 9:26 am
    So could the whole fear of starting on three days rest be a myth?

    I think it’s a concern but like I was saying yesterday morning in the position the Yanks were in you go with your best on 3 days over a rookie …. Kuroda is tough as nails and I had faith that if he thought he could do it then he could

  32. 86w183 October 15th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    I know a lot of stats have been tossed around to document the Yanks offensive futility, but here’s another.

    Raul Ibanez and Ichiro Suzuki (5) each has more RBI this post-season than A-Rod, Granderson, Swisher, Martin and Teixeria COMBINED (4).

    The strikeouts are epic. 67 K and just 53 hits in the 7 games. That’s 1.3 K per hit. they averaged .8 K per hit in the regular season.

  33. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Carlo October 15th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    That being said, his comments after the game yesterday lead me to believe he knows this series isnt coming back to New york……if he does, he will get crushed on Saturday night.

    —————————

    If the series comes back, the crowd is going to be completely jacked and behind the players 10%…. it’s just if things start to slip that Swish might end up meeting a beer bottle or two on his way out.

    Seriously, was at game 3 vs. the O’s and after that win the crowd got real ugly in a way that surprised me. If we would have lost, the place might have looked like a European soccer game.

  34. blake October 15th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    “To your first point, I don’t think he could try to make an out 26 consecutive times and succeed. He’s run hot and cold but not THIS cold.”

    I think he’s pressing as he knows he’s got to perform…..

  35. willwill October 15th, 2012 at 9:38 am

    So how badly does the fans taint the free agent pool? Or does it just keep the scrubs away?

  36. 86w183 October 15th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    I’ll admit I was wrong about starting Kuroda. He was outstanding on short rest.

    Yanks post-season has been excellent — 2.38, but they can’t overcome the lack of offense.

  37. RadioKev October 15th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    blake October 15th, 2012 at 9:37 am
    “To your first point, I don’t think he could try to make an out 26 consecutive times and succeed. He’s run hot and cold but not THIS cold.”

    I think he’s pressing as he knows he’s got to perform…..
    —————

    I agree. I see a guy pressing. He’s done this in the past too, not that it’s always been an issue, but we’ve seen it before from Cano.

  38. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    blake October 15th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    “blake – Are you not impressed with how at a loss they are for their offensive struggles, though?

    I would say Im the opposite of impressed with the offense…..Im impressed though with how they even made it this far to be honest with the way they have hit

    —————-

    I just can’t wrap my head around how they’re all so surprised they can’t score runs when only a couple of them are hitting above .280.

  39. blake October 15th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    @bradfo: According to a source, the Red Sox will interview Tony Pena today and DeMarlo Hale at some point this week

  40. RadioKev October 15th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    What I love about Kuroda is that when he misses his location, he misses off the plate. He’s got quality stuff and a quality approach.

  41. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 9:41 am

    86w183 October 15th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    I know a lot of stats have been tossed around to document the Yanks offensive futility, but here’s another.

    Raul Ibanez and Ichiro Suzuki (5) each has more RBI this post-season than A-Rod, Granderson, Swisher, Martin and Teixeria COMBINED (4).

    The strikeouts are epic. 67 K and just 53 hits in the 7 games. That’s 1.3 K per hit. they averaged .8 K per hit in the regular season.
    ——————–

    Are you trying to make me cry, bro?

  42. blake October 15th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    “I just can’t wrap my head around how they’re all so surprised they can’t score runs when only a couple of them are hitting above .280.”

    Denial……they have expected all season for these guys to hit like the Yankees simply because they have on pinstriped uniforms…..

  43. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    blake October 15th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    @bradfo: According to a source, the Red Sox will interview Tony Pena today and DeMarlo Hale at some point this week

    ——————-

    Is Tony gonna have some free time on his hands?!

    Ugh.. that’s the last thing I want to see over there.. a manager that knows what the f is what.

  44. 86w183 October 15th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Shame — There’s no crying in baseball!

  45. Bronx Jeers October 15th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Look, I think blaming him for something like that is extreme, but weren’t people throwing chairs at Roger Maris lol? So… ya know… could be worse, Swishy boy.

    ———

    Exactly. He shouldn’t be giving the whole section a cold shoulder just because a few screamed some stupid things at him.

  46. blake October 15th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    RadioKev says:
    October 15, 2012 at 9:40 am
    What I love about Kuroda is that when he misses his location, he misses off the plate. He’s got quality stuff and a quality approach.

    One of the biggest differences between veteran pitchers and youngsters is that pitchers who have been around the block a few times understand that if you are trying to hit a spot like the inside corner then you err inside rather than towards the middle of the plate…..if you to inside then miss in if you’re gonna miss…..it’s just part of developing command….a lot of young pitchers don’t want to get behind or walk guys so they tend to err towards the middle if they miss…..

    Kuroda does a great job of that….he stays of of the middle

  47. blake October 15th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    Sox could get Tony Pena an Swisher

  48. blake October 15th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    I really feel for Girardi….having to watch that debacle last night and having that hanging over you….then having to fly down an speak at his fathers funeral today…..rough time for him….not much of a mental break for an off day

  49. 56Bomber October 15th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    I miss George…hard to believe not even a single word from Hal or even Hank on how awful the offense is. Can you imagine the choice words he’d have for Swisher at this point? Nick would be huddling in the corner in fetal position.

  50. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    obviously the HR derby messed up Cano

  51. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    Bronx Jeers October 15th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Look, I think blaming him for something like that is extreme, but weren’t people throwing chairs at Roger Maris lol? So… ya know… could be worse, Swishy boy.

    ———

    Exactly. He shouldn’t be giving the whole section a cold shoulder just because a few screamed some stupid things at him.

    —————-

    Has he not been saluting them lol? Carlo?

  52. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    blake October 15th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    I really feel for Girardi….having to watch that debacle last night and having that hanging over you….then having to fly down an speak at his fathers funeral today…..rough time for him….not much of a mental break for an off day

    —————-

    Yeah.. this is a really terrible time for him, baseball aside. Just not being able to take the time off and focus on your family.. terrible.

  53. longtimefan October 15th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    We have heard all the excuses time and time again, Tex should worry about himself, Long can’t hit for these guys what do you expect him to say. Granderson, Swisher, Cano, Arod, Martin and Texieria all look like they just want the season to be over and in a few days it will. Organization needs to make changes in offense this off season unfortunately Arod will still be back.

  54. Yankees_Fan October 15th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    56Bomber October 15th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    I miss George…hard to believe not even a single word from Hal or even Hank on how awful the offense is. Can you imagine the choice words he’d have for Swisher at this point? Nick would be huddling in the corner in fetal position.

    *************************************************

    Their signature move, re-signing A-Rod, doesn’t look good at all. Still, their input wouldn’t help at all right now.

  55. Bring in the Goose October 15th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    So true:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/y.....-alcs.html

    I’m growing weary of Cano’s indifference and lack of fire. This guy has dollar signs for pupils.

  56. Yankee Trader October 15th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Tom- and rest breakfast Club:

    Good morning.

    Pitching on three days rest-no problem-overanalyzed.

    Try on 2 days rest!

    1968 was the year that Mickey Lolich’s teammate Denny McLain won 31 games. No one has won 31 games since McLain. But in the 1968 World Series Lolich stole the headlines. McLain didn’t pitch all that well in the World Series going 1 and 2. Lolich picked it up, winning games 2, 5 and on 2 days rest the decisive game 7. All 3 wins were complete games. In 27 World Series innings pitched he gave up but 5 runs

    http://slicethelife.com/2012/0.....-72-today/

  57. Purenyyankee October 15th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Its pretty clear. By going to the media and picking a fight with the fans, we all know where Swisher’s head is at, and we can see the lack of focus.

    Ichiro is our Right Fielder next year.

  58. Carlo October 15th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 9:51 am
    Bronx Jeers October 15th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Look, I think blaming him for something like that is extreme, but weren’t people throwing chairs at Roger Maris lol? So… ya know… could be worse, Swishy boy.

    ———

    Exactly. He shouldn’t be giving the whole section a cold shoulder just because a few screamed some stupid things at him.

    ?????-

    Has he not been saluting them lol? Carlo?
    ————————-

    He didn’t yesterday.

  59. Yankees_Fan October 15th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    longtimefan October 15th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    We have heard all the excuses time and time again, Tex should worry about himself, Long can’t hit for these guys what do you expect him to say. Granderson, Swisher, Cano, Arod, Martin and Texieria all look like they just want the season to be over and in a few days it will. Organization needs to make changes in offense this off season unfortunately Arod will still be back.

    ************************

    Teix? He’s been one of the handful who has hit some.

    The Murdered Row is mainly Cano, A-Rod, Granderson, Swisher and honorable mentions to Martin and even Chavez.

  60. blake October 15th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Tex is quietly having a great postseason….the only thing he’s not doing is hitting homers bu he’s playing his usual great D and is getting on base a lot

  61. Yankee Trader October 15th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    Blake-

    I suppose the Sox could go after Swisher. They plan to sign Cody Ross and traditionally they don’t give out NT clauses.

    Look for the Phillies who need an OF’er to go after Swisher.

  62. RadioKev October 15th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    I’m growing weary of Cano’s indifference and lack of fire. This guy has dollar signs for pupils.
    ——————

    A new contract is the great performance incentive, not deterrent.

  63. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    Carlo October 15th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 9:51 am
    Bronx Jeers October 15th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Look, I think blaming him for something like that is extreme, but weren’t people throwing chairs at Roger Maris lol? So… ya know… could be worse, Swishy boy.

    ———

    Exactly. He shouldn’t be giving the whole section a cold shoulder just because a few screamed some stupid things at him.

    ?????-

    Has he not been saluting them lol? Carlo?
    ————————-

    He didn’t yesterday.

    —————–

    Oh wow.. okay, I didn’t realize this had already manifested itself in the roll call.

    What a jackass. That’s little kid behavior lol.. my nephew does that to me when I yell at him.. he won’t talk to me and pretends he doesn’t hear me. I hope for his sake they salvage this series but I do fear what the fan reaction might be if things start to slide in another home game. Swish might get hit with more than just insults at that point (and I’m not defending that type of behavior I only defend the boo!.. but people are insane).

  64. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    I’ve actually liked Martin’s ABs this post season. He’s had a few where he reverts back to swinging from his heels but overall I think he’s delivered a much better quality than he did during the regular season.

  65. andrewmelillo October 15th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    Kevin long will get fired he is going be the goat because they cant get rid of arod grandersoñ an cano they blame it all pn the hitting coach I say bench granderson for gardner chavez at third nuney dh who would take swisher spot

  66. Tyler October 15th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    It may sounds nuts but I’d consider exploring the market for Cano. Maybe a package of he and Granderson can get some young talent back. I’ve been wanting to see what David Adams can do for a long time. The Cardinals bring guys up and throw them into the fire with great results. Lets try the same thing. That would open up some payroll and boost the talent in the minors. I’d target a team like the Marlins who have shown that they are willing to take on payroll.

    Also, I’d explore trying to trade for McCann if the Braves are willing. Probably won’t happen but he could be a target.

  67. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    @baldvinny

    ok, enough of this crap. time to move on. if i wasn’t so scared of the city of detroit, i’d go out there to do roll call for nick by myself

  68. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    @MathematicChaos

    One more thing. @baldvinny isn’t just a fan. He’s also chasing a dream out there in 203 – for @NickSwisher to say what he did, hurts the

    @MathematicChaos

    image that @baldvinny represents. Which is class. Go find me another fan as dedicated to their passion as Vinny. I’ve been in his shoes.

  69. Carlo October 15th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    andrewmelillo October 15th, 2012 at 10:07 am
    Kevin long will get fired he is going be the goat because they cant get rid of arod grandersoñ an cano they blame it all pn the hitting coach I say bench granderson for gardner chavez at third nuney dh who would take swisher spot

    ——————————————————

    No question Long gets fired. He basically has to for two reasons; 1) what you mention (re: the something has to change after this approach) and 2) the approach they have taken is so bad that any reasonable person can conclude that the hitting coach is clueless.

  70. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    Did people already post Vinnys remarks because I won’t clog up the thread with them if they have.

  71. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    Want someone who can lay off breaking balls in the dirt and can hit a curve or change? Someone who knows how to stay short to the ball with two strikes, and who can protect the plate?

    Want someone who doesn’t shrivel in “the moment” but who yearns for it?

    Melky Cabrera for RF in 2013.
    ///

    Tyler: David Adams is not going to make anyone forget Cano – not defensively, certainly. And as good a hitter as he is – and he is – he is not anywhere near Cano. He’s having a bad postseason, and Girardi is right: he’s not getting much to hit. The lineup needs Cano, and it needs to get help for Cano.

  72. Yankee Trader October 15th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    I truly believe the cost cutting for the Yankees has already started. It started in July when the Yankees didn’t take on any big salaries to obtain a right handed bat. They required the Mariners to absorb most of Ichiro’s contract.

    Therefore, if the Yankees are going to be frugal this offseason, who do you see them offering the 13M qualifying offer to?
    Swisher?
    Kuroda?
    Pettitte?-No because he won’t play for any other team, will he? Astros?
    Martin?-No because he would sign that contract before the ink is dry.
    Rivera?

    Anyone else?

  73. Doc Iac October 15th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    ‘Dont doubt us….dont count us out’ – A-Rod

    im still holdin out for a happy ending

  74. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Shame, how are you sweetie?

    Derek going down has me hitting the Tate’s again :(. At least, I get the whole wheat-dark chocolate ones.

  75. 56Bomber October 15th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    So Swisher is not even acknowledging the roll call? Or just not saluting?

  76. Tyler October 15th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    JAP-

    Oh I know that Cano would be missed. I’m a huge Cano fan (he’s my only Yankee jersey/shirt that I own). But to get something back you have to give up. They are going to have to cut payroll with the budget restraints. I don’t think giving Cano $175 million is feasible or the best business move. Some team is going to give it to him…. I don’t want to lose him for nothing like the Cards did with Pujols. I would simply explore the market. They don’t have to be dead set on trading him. But if you can get some elite young talent back for him, I’d definitely consider it. This team is going to have a ton of holes soon that are going to have to be filled with really cheap options the way they are going.

  77. 86w183 October 15th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    I believe the Yanks have to make a major lineup change tomorrow. Time to try and score some runs via small ball.

    Here’s my preference:

    Ichiro RF, Nix LF, Tex 1B, Ibanez DH, Cano 2B, Martin C, Chavez 3B, Nunez SS, Gardner CF.

    Gives the Yanks the most expensive bench in post-season history.

  78. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    JAP!!! When did you return? I’m sorry I didn’t realize sooner, you’ve been missed.

    The one thing I notice about Derek every time he gets injured (remember opening day years back when he slid into 3rd?) is how perfectly white his teeth are when he grimaces. That’s what I’d rather focus on.

  79. Tyler October 15th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Trader-

    Both Swisher and Kuroda. There’s a little bit of a risk that Swisher signs that but I think this fan situation really has left a bad taste in everyone’s mouth. I think he at least explores the market. I wouldn’t be ticked at al if Kuroda signed it but I don’t think he would either at this point.

  80. Yankee Trader October 15th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Tyler-

    I believe from what I’m reading, that the Braves are likely to pick up McCann’s option and resign David Ross as backup, while letting Michael Bourn, a Boras client, go.

    Bourn had a miserable last two months.

    They will need a CF’er and LF’er. Prado is moving to 3B.

    Will they call about Gardner?

  81. Tackelberry October 15th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Yanks have actually done better against Verlander than Scherzer. But if they somehow can scratch out a victory in game 3 then we’ve got CC going in game 4 and I like our chances there, even against Scherzer.

  82. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 10:22 am

    Swisher’s approach is merely a symptom of a systemic problem and wrongheaded philosophy that comes from the top.

    Brian Cashman: “I want a team that walks and mashes,” Cashman said. “And if you can mash and hit home runs, then you can hit singles and doubles, too. We’re not going to hit triples. But we’re built the way we are for a reason.

    “I’m still using the Gene Michael playbook, and this is about getting big, hairy monsters that mash and are selective at the plate. There’s a reason we’re perennially at the top of runs scored.”

  83. Chad Jennings October 15th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    56Bomber says:
    October 15, 2012 at 10:14 am
    So Swisher is not even acknowledging the roll call? Or just not saluting?

    Just for clarity: Swisher did salute during roll call last night, just not with his usual energy level. When warming up between innings, he played catch near the infield, basically as far from the right-field bleachers as possible.

    By the way, was supposed to land in Detroit a half an hour ago. Instead, I’m sitting on the plane and haven’t taken off yet. The joys of traveling…

  84. Yankee Trader October 15th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    86w183-

    I’d like that change to the lineup also, however cruel it is for them to have to face Verlander!

    Tyler-

    I’d at least listen for trade propsals for Cano and not hang up immediately.
    Wouldn’t be surprised if Kuroda gets big bucks to return to the Dodgers.

  85. bruceb October 15th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    Listening to Kevin Long being interviewed after yesterday’s game told me everything I needed to know about how important a hitting coach is to a team.

    He’s chasing balls out of the zone; he’s pressing; he had good at bats today; it was the best 0 for 6 I’ve ever seen; it will turn around.

    You don’t say, Kev.

    Any ideas on how you might fix it?

  86. Tyler October 15th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    Trader-

    Not the news I wanted to hear on McCann but it definitely makes sense to let Bourn go who I never really liked anyway. Bourn is going to find some team to cash in on.

    I would definitely be open to trading Gardner… I just wish he was healthy this year so he’d have more value. I’m not very familiar with the Braves system.

  87. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    Chad – Hang in there!! If you wanna kill time by chatting with us, you’re more than welcome :)

    We’d love to know your thoughts on Swish’s battle with the crowd, how terrible our O has been, and what we can do to turn this thing around!

  88. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    JAP!!! When did you return? I’m sorry I didn’t realize sooner, you’ve been missed.

    The one thing I notice about Derek every time he gets injured (remember opening day years back when he slid into 3rd?) is how perfectly white his teeth are when he grimaces. That’s what I’d rather focus on.
    ///

    Shame, thanks. I had an elegaic burst I wanted to come in here and share with certain people in here who love Jete as much as I do.

    Haha, you hang onto that image, but my guess is, he’s not flashing those pearly whites much right now. Must be extremely frustrating for him. A.D. is going to be very, very strange for all of us. It’s like he was the Yankee shortstop before the dinosaurs ruled the planet, and he should be the Yankee shortstop when this little universe finally blows :(. Of course, we know it doesn’t work that way, and here we are.

  89. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    All it comes down to is if you believe we can take 2 of 3 from the Tigers. I think we can. But guys need to really clear their heads and start fresh.. I just don’t know that this club has the mental strength to do that. With Jeter out of the mix, you have guys like Ichiro, Ibanez, and Tex who are the ones that might be able to keep that in perspective. Grandy, Arod, Cano and Swish just seem like headcases right now. Grandy is the only one I think it’s more about ability than a mental block.. but those other three are just pressssssing.

  90. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    Tyler – I know I don’t have to school you in what a rare player Cano is, and particularly as a 2B.

    I don’t think you can get the kind of “equal” value for him we’d be looking for. I have said before, I think he will age well. In fact, if they could bring in another prime bat, he will go back to being a monster.

    Pujols, great as he is, is a CIF. Not like Angelo Gumbs, or Anderson Feliz (my mancrush in the minors :D ) are going to be ready anytime soon. Both are really toolsy 2B, I’m happy to say. But Robinson Cano? Well, he’s just the best there is, that’s what he is.

  91. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    JAP – Too true. My first thought was that this might really be the beginning of the end.. tough injury for an older player. I hope he comes back at full strength and can once again defy the odds and expectations.

    We need guys to deliver professional ABs. I think so far Martin, Tex, Ibanez, Ichi.. and even Nix have done that. If they can just keep at it and take some heat off the others, we have a chance.

    I do believe we can win a 3 game set in Detroit. I do.

  92. Yankee Trader October 15th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    Chad-

    Here’s an article for you to read, while waiting, on Jeter’s injury.

    “Derek Jeter’s Ankle Fracture: Is a Hidden Stress Fracture to Blame?”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....65617.html

  93. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    One of my favorite things about being a Yankee fan was always that there wasn’t one guy that was THE GUY on our team. You always had a team full of dangerous hitters. That’s what was so attractive to free agents… you didn’t need to come to NY to be THE GUY. You have a team full of guys and you could play within yourself and your game without that pressure.

    We gotta create a better line up that doesn’t require Cano to be THE GUY. We can’t afford THE GUY mentality.

  94. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    Chad,

    You need to clean up the blog.

    No one needs to read that Nick Swisher deserves to be killed.

    That wasn’t a one-time post – it’s a running commentary.

    I cannot give Chad any kudos that this kind of thing is allowed to have voice in here. He’s busy, sure. Someone else, then, involved in this blog needs to clean it up.

    What you show is a total lack of respect for the community here, that we have to read someone’s dark fantasies about killing ballplayers. I know you got rid of the guy before for such comments, but he keeps returning and saying the same violent things, and I am beginning to direct my anger at Lohud more than the poster, because you allow it to continue.

  95. Tyler October 15th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    Realistically, what could the Yanks get for Cano? He’s in the last year of a contract and due for a nice raise. He’s the best 2nd baseman in the game by a long shot and one of the best players in baseball (when he’s right). Could you get 3 top 10 prospects out of a team’s system?

  96. Yankee Trader October 15th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    Have to go.

    Have a great day everyone.

    Shame- “I do believe, I do believe”says the Scarecrow to Dorothy! :)

  97. 86w183 October 15th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    The Yanks biggest problem right now is pitch selection. They have abandoned the patient hitting approach and are swinging at damn near everything.

    As Smoltz pointed out last night, Sanchez was getting good results with bad pitches.

  98. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    We gotta create a better line up that doesn’t require Cano to be THE GUY. We can’t afford THE GUY mentality.
    ///

    If you have a single “GUY” that guy is not going to be given much opportunity to be “The Guy.”

    In fact, I think Cano is so full of pressure and has been given such crap to hit, he’s become a parody of his worst instincts as a hitter.

    The solution is not to trade the one who is The One, it’s to get others who belong in his zip code.

  99. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    Yankee Trader – Thanks for all the great links you provide us with every day.

    Some idiot made a snide remark to Trader (no good reason, just a flake) and I wasn’t posting at the time, but I wanted to express my gratitude to Trader for what a great poster he is, how much info he provides, and how even-handed he always manages to be.

    Good job, Trader.

  100. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    86w183 October 15th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    The Yanks biggest problem right now is pitch selection. They have abandoned the patient hitting approach and are swinging at damn near everything.

    As Smoltz pointed out last night, Sanchez was getting good results with bad pitches.

    —————-

    Listening to Smoltz talk about his pitching last night was almost gut wrenching…

  101. Tyler October 15th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    JAP-

    You definitely don’t have to school me on Cano. I appreciate him as much as anybody here. But I have some questions about him. His loss would absolutely hurt and I would only consider a move on a “good” deal. I don’t think it would hurt to listen to offers though. I would risk losing the best 2nd baseman in the game to strength other positions that are going to become glaring holes. The past 2 World Champions had a 1-2 stars and the rest really solid (if not even “role”) players.

  102. Tackelberry October 15th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Would it be crazy to suggest getting Gardner into the lineup somehow? If nothing else to try and create a spark and get a guy in there who doesn’t try to hit home runs and just tries to put the bat on the ball. I’d seriously consider sitting Granderson tommorrow night and put Gardner in CF and bat him 9th.

  103. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    Yankee Trader – Thanks for all the great links you provide us with every day.

    Some idiot made a snide remark to Trader (no good reason, just a flake) and I wasn’t posting at the time, but I wanted to express my gratitude to Trader for what a great poster he is, how much info he provides, and how even-handed he always manages to be.

    Good job, Trader.

    ——————

    Awww, that’s nice of you JAP, we don’t usually think to give compliments to the posters we love since we’re so busy fighting the trolls (sort of how life goes, huh?).

    You missed the LoHud superlatives given out at the end of the regular season :D

  104. Tyler October 15th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    The solution is not to trade the one who is The One, it’s to get others who belong in his zip code.
    ——————————————————

    I think this is a great philosophy. The only issue is that the Yanks are cutting payroll, not adding it. As you said, a lot of the better talent is a couple years away still. It’s going to take some serious creativity and luck to keep this team at a high level until then. And the fans aren’t going to be patient paying 1,000 bucks a ticket.

  105. Chad Jennings October 15th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Shame Spencer says:
    October 15, 2012 at 10:27 am
    Chad – Hang in there!! If you wanna kill time by chatting with us, you’re more than welcome

    We’d love to know your thoughts on Swish’s battle with the crowd, how terrible our O has been, and what we can do to turn this thing around!

    A lot of times I think Swisher can’t win with some parts of the fan base. The pressure of the playoffs makes him try to do too much, but at the same time he clearly does not care enough? How does that work? His postseason numbers are bad, especially RISP. I get that, and that’s a fair criticism, but it’s often taken to a different level and he’s blasted in ways that just don’t make sense.

    The offense is bad right now because the offense is streaky. It’s been that way all year, and in such a small sample size, that was always a risk. It’s amazing that it’s hit so many guys at once.

    How does it turn around? I still say the Yankees are better of playing their regulars than doing something crazy like benching Cano. Regular season numbers are a much better indicator of the kind of hitters the Yankees are. The players have to get the job done. It’s that simple. That line about the definition of insanity applies here, but I think it applies because of the 162-game regular season, not seven games in the postseason. If insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results, why shouldn’t Girardi roll with the same lineup and expect the same results he had in September?

  106. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    (I voted myself ‘Best Looking Poster’)

  107. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    Shame, sorry I missed it. :D.

    My new vow is to stay out of the game threads. I read backwards, zipping through them. I think, by their nature, game threads really make accountability easy to avoid, because the thing just rolls forward. Allows for a lot of acting out and whatnot.

    Late at night, the postgame thread slows down and becomes more genuinely interactive and ruminative. It was nice to see that CB dropped by – he’s nearly always worth the read.

    I thought Randy might weigh in on Jete with one of his poignant posts…

    Just to let you know, I brighten when I see your username :D.

  108. jacksquat October 15th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    why shouldn’t Girardi roll with the same lineup and expect the same results he had in September?

    Because it’s October. Swisher doesn’t hit in October, he hasn’t for 140+ PA’s covering 4 years. Combined with his recent “performances”, I’m done with him. I play Gardner.

    Arod is 0-18 with 12 k’s vs rhp in the postseason. He looks awful. Chavez is 0-fer also (in far fewer chances), but he has had some bad luck and looks much better. I play Chavez at 3B and since Ibanez must DH (I don’t want him in the field), Arod is out until a pinch hitter is needed vs a lhp.

    Cano you continue to play and hope. Can’t give up on a guy that is a top 5 mvp type.

    Granderson is awful as well, but I’ll live with him at the bottom of the lineup to keep the outfield defense in order.

  109. G. Love October 15th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    Swisher wants to dance and celebrate getting a bases empty single at 1b off a changeup when everyone in the park knew he was getting thrown changeups like he just hit the go ahead run in.

    He’s a clown. He’s a nice regular season player. He never carried this team though and saying that makes you look silly.

    There is no one in the stands who remotely believes in him.

    And all his comments about “being hurt” say to me is he has one foot out the door and is creating his “break up” narrative to make himself not feel phony (bro) for taking more money from another team.

    Now he can easily leave with a big cheshire car smile and talk about how mean the fans were to him and it was time to go where the fans will love him.

    Uh huh. Hopefully, he goes somewhere that the post season is not a possibility because if he did anything this post season we might have a chance to win this series.

    It’s not all his fault, but you want to be prom king all the time, you’ve got to earn the votes.

    He’s earned the boos. Every single one.

    As for blaming him for Jeter’s injury, he didn’t break his ankle, but his lackluster play had a role in extending the inning.

    Swisher could never walk in O’Neil’s or Matsui’s shoes but he sure could dance and smile like no one else and we all know how important that is.

  110. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    Thanks Chad, I generally agree. Especially with what you said about the team being comprised largely of streaky hitters. It’s been observed from the off season that this could create some lengthy skids.. and that it would be especially dangerous in short playoff series with good pitching.

    I’m just surprised that there are grown men in the league that listen to what the fans say at all lol.. I mean, the fans are insane. I sit in the bleachers and we regularly chant up to people in the 2nd and 3rd tiers that lean over to watch us, ‘Jump, jump, jump!’….we don’t actually want anyone to commit suicide! (It might delay the game!) I think I just find Swish’s statements to be funny because…. I’ve watched Arod play here since ’05. If I’m Arod, I tell Swish he hasn’t seen hostility and if he thinks he has he needs to check himself. I’d be like, ‘I hit a HR and they STILL boo me. So eff off!’

  111. Tyler October 15th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 10:47 am
    (I voted myself ‘Best Looking Poster’)
    ————————————————-

    This isn’t Vietnam. This is the Lohud Yankees blog! There are rules!

    I demand a recount :)

  112. Cashmoney October 15th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    The problem about address this offense is money and the scarcity of available talents on FA. Mayhaps all it takes one or two guys to switch the dynamic of this lineup. One or two more hits would have determine the outcome of the 1st two games. Yanks is in a tough spot with Cano, the question will be can you maintain a championship caliber team and build around him in his prime in the next x amt of years. what’s a realistic forecast of his contract demand. the easiest to do as of now is to pick up his option and reevaluate in 14. Personally, I deal anyone in a deal that brings up multiple top prospects (top ten) and reload sooner than later.

    On the current Yanks, they be lucky to win one in detroit. this offense is beyond pathetic. It did not really come as shock that it will struggle in the ps to me, but the degree of futility is slightly shocking.

  113. blake October 15th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    “It may sounds nuts but I’d consider exploring the market for Cano. Maybe a package of he and Granderson can get some young talent back. I’”

    I think they should trade Granderson for the top bid….

    Cano is a much trickier proposition because I don’t think they can compete without him short term….I don think they can get enough big league ready talent in return to make up for his loss.

    I think they either need to bite the bullet and sign him…..realizing that he will decline and that he will be over paid in the 2nd half of the deal….and be willing to replace his production when he does decline….

    Or they need to rebuild and trade both him and Cano for max return this winter and try to get players that could rebuild the offense going forward to add to the prospects they already have and look to compete again in 2014/2015.

    I’m not sure I trust the ownership to replace Cano’s production when he declines because they haven’t done it with Arod…..and Im not sure the fan will accept a rebuild where they miss the playoffs for 2-3 years.

    So I don’t know what they should do…..

  114. RadioKev October 15th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    Well said, Chad.

    “His postseason numbers are bad, especially RISP. I get that, and that’s a fair criticism, but it’s often taken to a different level and he’s blasted in ways that just don’t make sense.”

    Fans take player’s performances personally. It can be hard to look at it objectively, but there’s no point in getting nasty about it.

  115. Patrick October 15th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    Cano is the only premium hitter on the Yankees, they can’t afford to let him go.

    Swisher, Martin and Granderson on the other hand …

    This offseason I would re-sign Kuroda and Pettitte, trade one (or two) of Phelps/Nova/Hughes, re-sign Ichiro, somehow find a catcher better than Martin and pick up Granderson’s option. I would also consider re-signing Ibanez.

  116. RadioKev October 15th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Blake,

    I think you’ve got to shop both guys and see. There’s no point forcing either guy out of the organization, Granderson can still be great and Cano is still usually great.

  117. Cashmoney October 15th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    the only guy out there in fa who can replace cano’s production is Hamilton this year. I think the Yanks can compete without any singular player. as good as cano is he is not irreplaceable in term of offensive force.

  118. Tyler October 15th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    blake-

    Yeah it seems like they are entering a sort of lose-lose situation. I’d love to see a 2-3 year rebuild of sorts where they continue to push the Tampa guys through the system and clear house of some potential problems. I think that’s what they need. They’ve had an unbelievable 17 year stretch but all good things come to an end. But there’s zero way that they can do that and charge $1,000 a seat. Plus, I don’t think a lot of fans agree with my thoughts on that anyway

  119. Patrick October 15th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    as good as cano is he is not irreplaceable in term of offensive force.

    When you look at the rest of the Yankee lineup I really think he is irreplaceable. He’s by far the most valuable player on the team. Saying he is replaceable is like saying Sabathia is replaceable.. both are ridiculous statements

  120. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Tyler October 15th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 10:47 am
    (I voted myself ‘Best Looking Poster’)
    ————————————————-

    This isn’t Vietnam. This is the Lohud Yankees blog! There are rules!

    I demand a recount :)

    ——————–

    As of today I remain unopposed! Doc was voted ‘Best Looking Male-Poster’ .. by himself. But I can verify he has big muscles so he’s earned it. Or he’ll beat you up.

  121. Tyler October 15th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    “As of today I remain unopposed! Doc was voted ‘Best Looking Male-Poster’ .. by himself. But I can verify he has big muscles so he’s earned it. Or he’ll beat you up.”
    ——————————————————

    I really just wanted to quote The Big Lebowski. You’re title stands!

  122. Chip October 15th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    A few thoughts:

    1. I can’t blame any thing this post season on the pitching or managing. If you don’t hit, you can’t win. I can’t even put all the blame on Alex. He’s been bad but at least he has an excuse, he’s older and battling injuries…Granderson and Swisher are just clueless at the plate.

    2. My greatest fear is that Cashman takes the easy way out and just brings this team back mostly intact and tries to sell us on the tripe that the post season is a small sample size and guys like Granderson and Swisher were major contributors during the regular season and that’s a better indication of who they are and what type of player they are. It’s bull. Granderson is Adam Dunn minus the ability to draw a walk and Nick Swisher is Adam Dunn minus the prolific power. I was a big supporter of keeping Granderson earlier this year, but I think the Yankees either need to deal him or just decline the option – the outfield needs a total makeover.

    3. Watching Alex struggle I’m forced to wonder if the Yankees would be better served dealing Cano than signing him long term. He’s going to be a free agent at 31 and probably want a 6, 7 or 8 year contract. Is it worth 5 declining years for 2 or 3 more prime years?

  123. Cashmoney October 15th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    martin batting fifth against a rh pitcher is all you have to know about the woes of this offense. I maintain wholesale changes is needed aside from the guy can’t unload (alex). This team could probably be competitive if you keep status quo. But this core won’t go far in PS.

  124. G. Love October 15th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    And one other thing; I’m tired of “added pressure” being the excuse for this offensive collapse by this team.

    Every Yankee team who has made the post season, including that team in 1996 that started the dynasty run, played with added pressure. The pressure of a city that was hungry for a champ. The pressure of repeating. The pressure of post season baseball.

    What team plays with no “added pressure” in the post season?

    This team has a long list of apologists who want to let them off the hook because the game gets too hard when it comes down to being the best.

    Mariano Rivera plays with added pressure almost every time he took the mound.

    The difference with him was when he failed in the post season, he owned it and went out and corrected it.

    These marshmallows we currently watch can’t even handle watching an episode of Walking Dead without pulling blankets over their head.

    I hope Swisher and all the excuse makers find this magical team that has no added pressure at this time of year.

  125. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    I would risk losing the best 2nd baseman in the game to strength other positions that are going to become glaring holes. The past 2 World Champions had a 1-2 stars and the rest really solid (if not even “role”) players.
    ///

    The problem I have with trading Cano is that I’m not one to go in for those 1 for 3 type deals, where you trade a great player in exchange for 3 “good” players, or what have you.

    I mean, who are you getting back? If Cano played 1B or 3B, it would have a whole different feel. My feeling is, let them trade something else to bring back some younger pieces, not a left-handed, high OPS, high average hitter with an otherworldly glove at an up the middle spot.

  126. comet October 15th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    “J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 10:38 am
    Chad,

    You need to clean up the blog.

    No one needs to read that Nick Swisher deserves to be killed.

    That wasn’t a one-time post – it’s a running commentary.

    I cannot give Chad any kudos that this kind of thing is allowed to have voice in here. He’s busy, sure. Someone else, then, involved in this blog needs to clean it up.

    What you show is a total lack of respect for the community here, that we have to read someone’s dark fantasies about killing ballplayers. I know you got rid of the guy before for such comments, but he keeps returning and saying the same violent things, and I am beginning to direct my anger at Lohud more than the poster, because you allow it to continue.”

    JAP great to have you back. The lack of supervision has caused the blog to lose some its better posters.

    I’ll second your cry for higher standards at LoHud!

  127. blake October 15th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    “2. My greatest fear is that Cashman takes the easy way out and just brings this team back mostly intact and tries to sell us on the tripe that the post season is a small sample size and guys like Granderson and Swisher were major contributors during the regular season and that’s a better indication of who they are and what type of player they are. It’s bull. ”

    Prepare yourself for this

  128. Doc Iac October 15th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    thanks shame :)

    I also vote for her cause shes looks like a hot rock star and she likes the yankees!!

  129. RadioKev October 15th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    When you look at the rest of the Yankee lineup I really think he is irreplaceable. He’s by far the most valuable player on the team. Saying he is replaceable is like saying Sabathia is replaceable.. both are ridiculous statements
    ————-

    Everyone is replaceable and replaced eventually

  130. comet October 15th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    Good morning Shame! Yankees take all three in Detroit!

    Good morning to Erin and Kate if you are lurking out there. We miss you.

  131. DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    - REASONS TO TRADE CANO -

    (1) FAILS to provide leadership – Day 1 minus Jeet inna Playoff Game, FAILED to Run to 1B following his swinging bunt . Cano JOGGED to 1B, Sanchez, (the SP), made a Long underhand toss to 1B, and Cano was out by only half a step. If Cano runs hard to 1B, he beats that long underhand toss Easy.

    (2) FAILS to provide leadership – Consistently, will Not dive for grounders, late in close games, with a runner on 2B.

    It’s gonna take a commitment of better than $100 Mill to re-sign Cano following the 2013 season. A long-term monetary committment of that magnitude should be reserved for players that provide leadership. Cano is NO Leader.

  132. blake October 15th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    If Texas wants to trade me Profar and Olt for Cano then Ill listen…..but that’s not happening…..I just don’t see them getting enough big league ready talent back for him to compete short term….they’d have to accept prospects 2-3 years away and hope they pan out.

    If they trade Cano I don’t see them making the playoffs in 2013 and probably not 2014 either….the offense just isn’t good enough to make up for losing him…..

  133. Cashmoney October 15th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    3. Watching Alex struggle I’m forced to wonder if the Yankees would be better served dealing Cano than signing him long term. He’s going to be a free agent at 31 and probably want a 6, 7 or 8 year contract. Is it worth 5 declining years for 2 or 3 more prime years?
    —-
    that’s the thing. It’s subject what everyone thinks about cano and his prime years. The obvious question follow your thoughts is that Can the Yankee surround cano with enough guys to take advantage. budget restriction and lack of qualifying supply from FA maybe the determinants in this equation. It’s assessment the FO needs to make. Signing Cano is really more or less part of the big plan what the Yankees choose to do in the next few years.

  134. djsunyc October 15th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    there is no reason to hate on swisher. he helps us get to the postseason.

    but parting ways b/c he doesn’t help us once we get there is a fair decision to make.

    no need for all the “clown” talk.

    secondly, it is time to shake things up…not for the next game, but for the mental approach at the plate the next few seasons. the question tho is whether kevin long is responsible for that approach or if that’s on giradi. we need more contact swings and more aggressiveness on the basepaths…

  135. Chip October 15th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    Patrick – With Chris Ianetta being re-signed in Los Angeles I don’t see any better catcher options on the market – my theory has been that if you’re going to have a question mark behind the plate, make it an inexpensive one – that said, I would offer Martin a 1 year $4M contract to come back and have him compete with Romine for the starting job with the other as back up.

    In the OF I’m all for giving Zoilo Almonte a chance to win a corner OF spot. I would offer 1 or 2 year deals to Ichiro or Hunter to play the other corner and if that didn’t work I would try to swing a deal with the Nationals for Mike Morse. In CF Granderson has to go; whether that means making Gardner the everyday CF I don’t know. The FA CF options (Upton and Hunter) do nothing for me.

    I don’t know what Granderson’s trade value is – he’s got great power and plays a decent CF but he’s about to get very expensive and strikes out a ton. Maybe the Yankees would be able to deal him for a likewise expensive/flawed player.

    Another option is this: There was also word out of Arizona this weekend that Kevin Towers is looking to move either or both of Parra and Kubel – I would be all over that. Offer them Granderson, Nova and Nunez for the two of them.

    I would also bring in Scott Hairston to fill the role of RH hitter off the bench that Andruw Jones had the last couple of years.

  136. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    G. Love October 15th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    And one other thing; I’m tired of “added pressure” being the excuse for this offensive collapse by this team.

    ——————-

    People get mad at Team Greedy for having ridiculous expectations but I think that should act as a motivator. If you treat every game as a must win, and every season as WS or bust, the pressure in game 1 of 162 is no different than it is in the playoffs.

    Derek does this. And that’s why he’s so great.

    CC does this. And that’s why he’s so great.

    This team won’t let the Yankees be great.

  137. Bronx Jeers October 15th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    They could get somebody of use for Curtis but is ASG appearance made him a bit more expensive.

    I’ve always liked him even before he was a Yank but those strikeouts against that BA are truly horrendous.

    The team clearly has a problem and unfortunately Curtis doesn’t appear to be part of the solution.

  138. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    I think they either need to bite the bullet and sign him…..realizing that he will decline and that he will be over paid in the 2nd half of the deal….and be willing to replace his production when he does decline….
    ///

    I don’t expect any sort of early decline from this player, and when he inevitably does start to slip, we should have at least a couple of new kids ready from within that are high upside guys. In fact, I don’t see Cano declining much at all in two years, say, when Sanchez and Williams, maybe Austin, Heathcott….maybe others…are expected to start filtering in.

    And I agree that they will have a tough time competing without him over these uncomfortable “bridge” seasons that appear inevitable.
    ///

    Can’t use the word “great” for Granderson and then for Cano. I’m not nit-picking, I think a real distinction is in order. Cano possesses legit greatness. Living up to it all the time is what he needs to focus on.

  139. blake October 15th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    If you wanna trade Cano then fine…..trade him to Washington for Rendon and another promising bat or something and try to shoot for competing again in 2014……but if you are ok trading Cano then IMO you have to also be on board with the possibility of them missing the playoffs for a couple of years and maybe longer

  140. Carlo October 15th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    blake October 15th, 2012 at 11:10 am
    ?2. My greatest fear is that Cashman takes the easy way out and just brings this team back mostly intact and tries to sell us on the tripe that the post season is a small sample size and guys like Granderson and Swisher were major contributors during the regular season and that’s a better indication of who they are and what type of player they are. It’s bull. ?

    Prepare yourself for this

    ———————————–

    This is why missing the playoffs was better than this. Missing the playoffs made that “sale” to the fans impossible. Sure, I love the October action, but quite frankly, this offseason has been more aggravation and pain than its worth.

  141. Shame Spencer October 15th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    Doc Iac October 15th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    thanks shame :)

    I also vote for her cause shes looks like a hot rock star and she likes the yankees!!

    —————-

    Yeah I do a great Axle Rose impression.

    comet – Good to see you as always… Chad’s Girls are indeed dwindling (just kidding Chad, you animal you!).

  142. Chip October 15th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    blake October 15th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    “2. My greatest fear is that Cashman takes the easy way out and just brings this team back mostly intact and tries to sell us on the tripe that the post season is a small sample size and guys like Granderson and Swisher were major contributors during the regular season and that’s a better indication of who they are and what type of player they are. It’s bull. ”

    Prepare yourself for this
    ————–

    Oh, I’m totally there – Cashman doesn’t go out of the box enough to consider moving a 40 HR hitter. The only hope is that the budget pushes him enough to pass on Swisher.

  143. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    I think Comerica is a good place for the Yanks. They’ll have to shorten up there, and at least the approach should be dialed back some, considering that park’s dimensions.

    I wouldn’t mind seeing Gardner in the lineup, but I really, really, really need to see Nunez’s name in there.

  144. Cashmoney October 15th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    If they trade Cano I don’t see them making the playoffs in 2013 and probably not 2014 either….the offense just isn’t good enough to make up for losing him…..
    ——–
    you can sign hamilton then let cano walk in 14, the Yanks really won’t be any worse off imo. their weakness is in the OF. Adam, Murphy or Mustelier provide some options in Cano’s departure while Yanks have little in ways internal options to replace Swisher regular season production. but that’s just one way to approach the Cano situation.

  145. blake October 15th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    “I don’t expect any sort of early decline from this player, and when he inevitably does start to slip, we should have at least a couple of new kids ready from within that are high upside guys”

    His swing should age well but his approach won’t if he doesn’t change…..

    I’m not talking about him declining soon….but I could see Robbie taking a sharp dive when he’s 34 or 35 because I don’t think his approach will play well when his physical skills start to slip…..

    My point was that if the Yanks sign Cano to an 8 or 9 year deal then they have to be willing to way those last 3-4 years an replace his production if he does decline…..they haven’t done it with Arod so that’s what scares me about another long term deal with robbie

  146. Chip October 15th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    blake October 15th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    If you wanna trade Cano then fine…..trade him to Washington for Rendon and another promising bat or something and try to shoot for competing again in 2014……but if you are ok trading Cano then IMO you have to also be on board with the possibility of them missing the playoffs for a couple of years and maybe longer
    ———————-

    I think with all things it depends on what you can get back for him.

    If the Yankees were able to do what you describe in getting Rendon and maybe another couple of prospects for Cano and then move CoJo up to play 2b, that, combined with other moves that the budget would free them up to make could make the Yankees a better team than they are with Cano.

    I said the same thing about Boston, that they should consider dealing Jon Lester because as good as he is, he’s one player – they could move him and get back pieces that would help them in multiple positions.

  147. djsunyc October 15th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Cashmoney October 15th, 2012 at 11:13 am
    3. Watching Alex struggle I’m forced to wonder if the Yankees would be better served dealing Cano than signing him long term. He’s going to be a free agent at 31 and probably want a 6, 7 or 8 year contract. Is it worth 5 declining years for 2 or 3 more prime years?
    —-
    that’s the thing. It’s subject what everyone thinks about cano and his prime years. The obvious question follow your thoughts is that Can the Yankee surround cano with enough guys to take advantage. budget restriction and lack of qualifying supply from FA maybe the determinants in this equation. It’s assessment the FO needs to make. Signing Cano is really more or less part of the big plan what the Yankees choose to do in the next few years.

    ———–

    almost all FA signed to long term deals will never really perform at the level they did before they signed the contract. it’s just logistics b/c of age and the increased pressure.

    so paying out $20 mil a year for a player that’s close to 30 is based more on what he did in the past than what he’ll do on the future.

    the exception to that rule is pitchers…as they *can* change their approach and still be effective.

    but if a hitter is a 40 homerun guy and then becomes a 25 homerun guy but a better average, then almost everyone universally will say he’s on the decline and not worth the contract.

    so a team like the rays and a’s…they are progressive in that manner. they get the most out of their young players then trade them away when it’s time to pay up. it’s not a bad way to run your organization so that you’re never “handcuffed” BUT in essence, you are somewhat handcuffed in how you build your team b/c you then need to be very successful in the draft.

    then throw in all the ny money you have to overpay and the whole situation becomes very nutty.

    on the flip side, if you’re a fan of a team, and they have a very good player…cano for instance…and they just let him walk away…and they do that for many other players, then what is making you hang on as a fan?

    fans getting on swisher in the outfield WHILE HE’S PLAYING THE GAME…and blaming him for jeter are ridiculous. is that actually supposed to help him?

    with that mentality, it’s no wonder why being a gm’s of a franchise in ny is probably the toughest job in sports.

  148. Hassey October 15th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    And on we move to the bottom of the 73rd, where the Tigers continue to lead the Yankees 3-0

    This Train…..oh…this train…..

  149. DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    There is Always the “possibility” of missing the Playoffs. THAT, (to use a 60′s term), issa Cop Out. Either the Yanks decide they are Not gonna sign the Cano long-term and therefore trade him, or they decide to shell out the coin and re-sign him. It’s that simple. The decision has NOTHING to do with making the Playoffs in 2013.

  150. Chip October 15th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    The other thing you have to wonder coming out of these playoffs is whether Alex will want to come back or if he’ll walk away. Alex is extremely wealthy and has a lot of pride. Would he be willing to walk away from the game rather than know that he’s going to be a role player and possibly a platoon player going forward? That he could be looking at sitting on the bench while David Adams takes his spot?

    It’s a ton of money to leave on the table and highly unlikely that he would do it. But something to think about.

  151. Locke October 15th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    Swisher’s antics make him easy to love when things are going well and easy to hate when things good poorly. Swisher has been absolutely horrible in the past three post seasons, why would he expect anything besides heckling from the bleachers?

    He’s played poor defense, he’s complained, he’s produced nothing at the place, and he gets upset when drunk fans tell him it’s his fault Jeter went down? He needs to grow some thicker skin and get over it.

    Does anybody remember the Simpsons where Bart and Lisa heckle Darryl Stawberry in the outfield and a tear runs down his face?

  152. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    JAP great to have you back. The lack of supervision has caused the blog to lose some its better posters.

    I’ll second your cry for higher standards at LoHud!
    ///

    Hi Comet, thanks. I’m sure I’ll take another hiatus before long ;).

  153. Chip October 15th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    For the record I think the Yankees will sign Cano; not because it is the right move, but because it is the Yankee way. Cashman is very predictable in that he’s going to make the least imaginative move.

    Rather than dealing a star player to build for the future he’s going to sign him, just as rather than give a prospect a chance to develop he’s going to deal that guy for an established player.

  154. jacksquat October 15th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    Gardner – LF
    Ichiro – RF
    Teixeira – 1B
    Cano – 2B
    Ibanez – DH
    Chavez – 3B
    Granderson – CF
    Martin – C
    Nix – SS

    No need to break up lhh as Verlander is not coming out of the game until late or he gets hammered, plus you have Arod and Swisher on the bench.

  155. Patrick October 15th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    Chip,

    If Martin is the best catching option out there, so be it. But I am hoping Cashman can make a trade for a catcher, we don’t know what the trade market will look like yet. If Martin is the only option, sign him for 1 year or 1 year and an option at the most.

    I agree that the Yankees should not sign Granderson to a long term deal but they still have a $13 million team option on him for 2013. There aren’t many players out there that can hit 40 HR and play CF and can be had for $13 million. I think Cashman will stick with Grandy for another season and let him go at the end of 2013.

    Almonte is not an option, he’s not good at all. I would be shocked if he could even play at replacement level in the majors.

    Mike Morse? Seriously? He’s a terrible fielder, low OBP… I wouldn’t give anything to get him. Parra and Kubel are mediocre players as well. Cashman needs to focus on getting guys that can get on base. We don’t need any more all or nothing hitters. Same thing with Hairston. Good power, god awful OBP.

    I think you let Swisher go, pick up Granderson’s option, put Gardner in LF and sign Ichiro to a 1 or 2 year deal to start in RF. Hamilton would be a terrible signing so I think the Yanks should stick with short term contracts in the OF for the time being. Hopefully in 1 or 2 seasons Mason Williams is ready to come up and start. Ichiro has shown enough as a Yankee that I want him back, and we could really use the speed, defense and average he brings to the table.

    I know a lot of fans want to make wholesale changes this offseason due to the way the team performed in the playoffs, but I don’t think there is much flexibility for Cashman to do so unless he can find some amazing trades. Teixeira and A-rod’s contracts really hamstring this team for the next 4-5 years.

  156. Frozen Rope II October 15th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Trade for kurt suzuki, the nats should have a catcher or two coming back from injury next year

  157. DONNYBROOK October 15th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    Girardi getting kicked outta that game 5 Minutes AFTER the blown call is absolutely inexcusable. Girardi shoulda been all-over that Ump IMMEDIATELY following the blown call was made. No looking at the instant replay, No debating what to do, you get off your ass and defend your team IMMEDIATELY. A team issa reflection of the Mgr. That is why this current Yankee team is flat-out Laying Down.

  158. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    It sounds untimely to say this, considering his struggles, but I have to think some don’t fully appreciate just how good Robinson Cano is. Like, in nearly all phases of baseball, he’s not a star, he’s an extraordinary talent.

    Their job, which they failed at, was to upgrade the lineup to make sure that kind of talent had the proper support to really succeed. That’s not excusing Cano for a bad postseason, that’s the reality of having a great hitter suddenly on his own in the middle of the lineup.

  159. Cashmoney October 15th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    realistically, i think Yanks will keep Grandy for one more year and let swisher go and look to the lights of hunter, ross or some other similar talents and go for it all in 13 with Mo and Jeter back. 14, i think you can see this team offensively gets taken apart. Alex and Tex contract effectively eliminate the margin for errors on their mistakes. well, at least greatly reduce it.

  160. JobaTipsHisCap October 15th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    they have to trade cano before his value declines significantly. this is no brainer.
    if they miss playoff in 13, so be it.

    at least STL won last night!

  161. blake October 15th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    I would make Martin the qualifying offer…..he will take it and they will be overpaying for 2013 but at least they’d have a catcher for next season and it would keep them flexible beyond that…..if you get him on a multi year deal it’ll probably cost 7-10 million in AAV….it’d be worth a little more in 2013 to keep the books clear beyond that IMO…..I doubt they’ll do that though

  162. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    His swing should age well but his approach won’t if he doesn’t change…..

    I’m not talking about him declining soon….but I could see Robbie taking a sharp dive when he’s 34 or 35 because I don’t think his approach will play well when his physical skills start to slip…..
    ///

    I think his approach would improve if he had someone behind him. The New York Yankees had Russell Martin hitting fifth last night (I know Cano was in the 2-hole). Think about that for a second.

    Yes, Martin has had some big hits, and has taken some BBs, but he is a classic “mistake hitter” if there ever was one. This is not a good lineup. Pitchers go through us, fresh as a daisy, stress free.

    Treat the disease, not the symptom. Cano’s aggressive, but when he’s right he can hit a pitcher’s pitch and is nigh impossible to get out. We are seeing him at his abject worst right now.

  163. Cashmoney October 15th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    martin’s str is that he is a sound defensive catcher and hits LHP. He is fine OPS wise. Yanks insistence in keeping stewart leaves little options in term of replacing martin against a tough rhp. how much is he worth? 4 mil max for one year imo.

  164. blake October 15th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    “Treat the disease, not the symptom. Cano’s aggressive, but when he’s right he can hit a pitcher’s pitch and is nigh impossible to get out. We are seeing him at his abject worst right now.”

    Of course….this isn’t who he is….but he’s a hacker…he always has been….he’s got an insane ability to put the barrel on the ball because he’s extremely talented…..my point is that when that talent and skill set starts to fade a bit I worry how he will adjust.

    Alex has had injuries but his prime baseline as a hitter was better than Cano and he had better plate discipline as well and he started a decline around 35…..it happens

  165. blake October 15th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    If the Yankees aren’t willing to eat the 2nd half of his contract if need be and spend what’s necessary to stay good as an offense then they should trade him and rebuild ……

    I would prefer they act like the Yankees and sign him and then add more good players around him…..but these aren’t the old Yankees anymore…..

  166. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Cano’s gone through periods where he is more disciplined, but yea he will revert to what comes more naturally to him.

    Given the choice, I’d take my chances on Cano aging well, and if there are some throw-away seasons, I guess I’m willing to live with that.

  167. blake October 15th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Given the choice, I’d take my chances on Cano aging well, and if there are some throw-away seasons, I guess I’m willing to live with that.”

    Me too…. Question is is Hal though?

    Or will he hold a 200 million dollar contract against them like he’s done with Arod

  168. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Almonte is not an option, he’s not good at all. I would be shocked if he could even play at replacement level in the majors.
    ///

    Patrick, you talking Zoilo?

  169. J. Alfred Prufrock October 15th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    Me too…. Question is is Hal though?

    Or will he hold a 200 million dollar contract against them like he’s done with Arod
    ///

    Hal and his group are sending me emails DAY AND NIGHT trying to sell me playoff tix.

    If Hal thinks, if this team is going down, that he’s going to dispatch its best player (and one of the few worth watching) and be able to get people to attend games, he’s certifiable.

  170. filthy slider October 15th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    I can understand Cano having a rough stretch hitting but I can’t put up with his total lack of hustle on the basepaths.

  171. MichiganYankee October 15th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    What worries me most about Cano is that he has not been driving drivable pitches. I was listening to the Tiger broadcast on Saturday, and on the 7th or 8th pitch from Coke, commentator Jim Price (an incorrigible homer) remarked “Phil got away with a hanger there.” Sure enough, Gameday revealed a flat curve in one of Cano’s “red zones.” The real Robbie would have driven that pitch down the alley in left-center.

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