New lineup, same result: Yankees drop Game 3
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 16, 2012 
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The Yankees are one loss away from being swept in the American League Championship Series. A new lineup produced the same results in tonight’s Game 3, and a 2-1 loss to Justin Verlander and the Tigers put the Yankees in need of an unearthly return from the dead. Ichiro Suzuki’s pair of singles were the Yankees only hits — only baserunners, even – before Eduardo Nunez homered in the ninth to avoid a second straight shutout. Mark Teixeira and Robinson Cano singled with two outs in the ninth — Cano snapped a 29-at-bat hitless streak — but postseason hero Raul Ibanez struck out to strand the runners and end the game. Starter Phil Hughes pitched out of some early trouble, allowed a solo homer to Delmon Young in the fourth, and was pulled one batter later because of a stiff back. The Yankees bullpen gave up one unearned run — spurred by Eric Chavez’s error at third — but two runs were too many for this lineup, and the Yankees are one more letdown away from an embarrassing playoff exit.
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So close.
Goes to show you how many things have to go your way in order to win a Championship. Hopefully a lot of things will go right for us. We’re going to need it.
I’m so over this. Really never thought I’d say that, but this is painful.
I’d run the same lineup out there tomorrow. Nunez looked great and Gardner, although he had no results to show for it, didn’t look too bad for that long of a layoff.
And you can see what the Yanks think about A-Rod right now. He has zero chance against RHP in their minds. He’s done in the postseason.
another hit just too much to ask from the 2012 team. Hoem plate ump was a disgrace too
Hey they scored a run!
Pitching was great again….same song
Not a matchup in our favor. Shows what this team has become. Ibanez lefty vs lefty on the road. Epic fail. For once I would have stuck to the binder.
The good news is that the CNN focus group has the Yankees winning that game.
So damned close.
Well we made it a game, didn’t we? Maybe that bodes well for tomorrow. In any event, I know the thing I don’t want to listen to is the postgame.
Onward and upward Y fans. We’re not finished yet.
over? is it not 1 all? oh right, an error by hitless chavez lead to another run.
And you can see what the Yanks think about A-Rod right now. He has zero chance against RHP in their minds. He’s done in the postseason.
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From the shots I saw of him in the dugout, he looked disinterested, detached, and dejected. I don’t know what that means for the future, but it can’t be good. We owe him a lot of money and I don’t think he’s going anywhere…thoughts?
Bringing in Arod was not an option, they would just bring in a rhp. I’d rather have Ibanez vs the lhp the way things have gone.
Is it in the Tigers contract that you have to weight 500 pounds to play there? Coke looks like a stuffed pig compared to when he was with the Ys.
I guarantee that Girardi will say that he didn’t pinch hit Arod because then Leyland will bring in Benoit to face him. That inning tells you all you need to know about how Girardi feels about Arod right now. He and Cash obviously believe that story about him talking to the girls and probably want nothing to do with him moving forward.
Very telling moment there where Joe let Ibanez hit against the lefty with the game on the line…..Ibanez in general is awful against LHP but joe was so afraid to hit Alex because they’d bring in a RHP that he stuck with him……this thing is going to carry over to next year….Yanks have a situation with Arod now I think
with Hughes out, who starts WS game 4 for us?
Left side of back tightened up. Hughes.
Agree with Tyler. Run the same guys out there tomorrow. Would be nice if we could at least get this back to NYC.
My guess is Arod’s hip is bothering him again and without his lower body he has no power. I am hoping he requires career ending surgery, the Yanks collect on the insurance and we get an upgrade at third.
How about the same lineup but Ichiro leads off, Nuney bats 2nd, Gardner 9th.
If the last inning serves for something, is that I don’t believe this is over yet. Cano, our most important hitter, just got a hit. Nunez had a huge homer. We had achance.
Ibelieve they will win tomorrow. One game at a time. No other way around it.
Hard to believe that with a left-side infield of Chavez and Nunez, Nunez would make the defensive play of the night, and Chavez would make a huge error. That’s baseball, Suzyn.
“Bringing in Arod was not an option, they would just bring in a rhp. I’d rather have Ibanez vs the lhp the way things have gone.”
Agree. And it would also have been a slap in the face to Ibanez, who has singlehandedly kept us in there.
Coke could never close a game for the Yanks when Mo wasn’t available. He used to crap his pants every single time. This blows.
Who cares about A-Rod and what he might have done in the dug out.
You simply have to stick with the hot hand. Ibanez has been a guy that has delivered these past few weeks. No way you pinch hit for him. Lose with the hot hand.
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Worst strike zone differential ever called?
just not our year. hopefully some changes to come next year. Big thanks to the Yankee pitchers all playoffs. They have been brilliant. have to go into each game knowing you have to be almost perfect, and theyve been that. Tough to see Phelps struggle again, everyone has been knocking Nova, but that kid didnt shy away from the bright lights of October
Giro looks and sounds like the pressure if now off unti March
jacksquat says:
October 16, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Bringing in Arod was not an option, they would just bring in a rhp. I’d rather have Ibanez vs the lhp the way things have gone.”
Generally Alex is much better against RHP than Ibanez isn’t against LHP…..so just shows how little faith Joe has in Alex right now or Swisher who is a switch hitter…..
I guess Girardi thought Ibanez vs. LHP would be a better matchup than Swisher vs. anyone. If they PH Rodriguez in that spot and the Tigers bring in a RHP, Girardi would have sent Swisher up, no?
This PS has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that this is a kids game. The best at bats where from Gardner and Nunez, it is no coincidence that they are the youngest guys on that team. I hope ownership realizes this little piece of information. Stop bringing past their prime players, start to develop and trust your own. Same way Gene Michael did in the early 90′s.
We as fans better get ready for a downward period. Let’s hope that it results in the building of a new core that gives us plenty of satisfactions in the not so distant future.
Also, stop pursuing the elusive unicorn of pitching. Balance wins, if we had a half competent offense, we would have gone all the way. Not saying that this run is over, but it pretty much is.
“If the last inning serves for something, is that I don’t believe this is over yet. Cano, our most important hitter, just got a hit. Nunez had a huge homer. We had achance.
Ibelieve they will win tomorrow. One game at a time. No other way around it.”
Bingo, bingo, bingo, bingo, bingo.
You might think that teams laugh at the Yanks but they fear them. Because they know what they’re capable of, and they also know it’s never over until it is.
Elias-
I have no idea on A-Rod right now. Up to this point I obviously thought he would be a Yankee until the end of that contract. I really don’t think he is as bad as he looks this series…. he hit around .270 this season. I don’t know if he’s checked out over being pinch hit for over and over or if the fans have just wore him out…. I have absolutely no idea. I always defended the guy but I have nothing now. And if that game 1 story is true, I’d be disgusted even more than I am now. So I basically have a whole lot of nothing, lol.
Well, we made a game of it!
Doesn’t hide the fact that this was another pitiful offensive performance by the Yanks tonight. We’ve scored twice in 27 innings. Twice. Pathetic.
Watching A-Rod sitting there, chewing seeds while watching the game as a casual fan, not picking up a bat, not even showing an ounce of caring… I wish there was a way this guy was moved away from my beloved team.
Chavez made a 1 base error, he also made a huge play to save multiple runs.
Scherzer has big splits, have to start as many lhh tomorrow as possible.
“You simply have to stick with the hot hand. Ibanez has been a guy that has delivered these past few weeks. No way you pinch hit for him. Lose with the hot hand.”
Yes.
Note the delmon young “ball” in the middle of the zone. What. The. Hell?!
This pitching for the Yanks has been incredible. Such a shame it will be completely overshadowed by the historic impotence of the offense.
Yanks have to meet with Arod this off season and figure this out. It’s going to turn into a circus if they don’t deal with it. Girardi obviously thinks that he is garbage and doesn’t have any chance against a righty. Even a righty that has been struggling so much like Benoit. That’s scary. The best thing is to tell Arod he is going to be a bench player going forward and hope that he will retire after next year.
i don’t think arod cares anymore. he probably feels mistreated.
I’d rather have a debate about the validity of the Tigers fandom… who boo’s a club that’s up 2-0 in the ALCS and winning game 3 in the 9th inning, amirite guys??
And boy do we miss Derek!
I agree that Id run the same lineup out there again tomorrow…..
Well we got a homer off Mr. Perfect.
I think we see Stewart tomorrow.
I’d like to think Nunez has earned the start tomorrow. Go with the upside, Joe.
I really think we should have won this game against Verlander. He wasn’t top notch tonight.
However, kudos to the pitching once again. Great job from Phil early on, and the bullpen for holding it together.
Benoit has been terrible recently and has looked like batting practice. Girardi didn’t think it was a good match up for Arod. I mean seriously. Ibanez hit .180 against lefties this year and Girardi liked that matchup better. That is scary.
dude, i really think that he is just over them as well. yes, he hasnt performed this postseason, but he has also been mistreated.
Yankees_Fan October 16th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Watching A-Rod sitting there, chewing seeds while watching the game as a casual fan, not picking up a bat, not even showing an ounce of caring… I wish there was a way this guy was moved away from my beloved team.
please, for the love of the game, no more talk about A-Rod unless it hasn’t ben said before..how many different ways can we read the same thing?
That AB from Nunez in the 9th was truly epic. One of a lone bright spots, IMO. Even if he made an out, I would have posted the same thing. I even thought about that as the AB was going on! So you guys are in my thoughts lol… awww/ew.
I still think we can win tomorrow. That’s what the 9th inning magic does to ya!
I did love that lineup and I agree that I would go with the same one.
Night all.
Thank god they sat Swish. That fixed everything
How do we know Alex doesn’t care? Ibanez on the road: .208/.269/.365. Vs lefties .197/.246/.245.
I expected a loss tonight with Verlander on the mound, he’s just too good. When the lineup isn’t hitting well, as soon as someone gets on base, that should be an opportunity to play small ball and steal a base, or call for a sac bunt or something. There’s enough speed at the top of the lineup for that now. Everyone is trying to hit a homerun and that’s not going to happen. Girardi isn’t a small ball manager. CC has to be lights out tomorrow or else we have to wait until the 2013 season to start. This is just pitiful.
One more thing…. This team doesn’t get fix with one bat… We are several players short… So forget about a short term quick fix.. This team needs a rebuilding period, with no knee jerk moves, but trades with the long term health of the team at heart. This means trading present for future, not the other way around. As much as I would like a contender next season, I prefer a dominant team for years to come, two or three years down the road.
Nunez is an example of how youth can positively impact a playoff series. I’ve seen the Cardinals do this for the better part of 2 postseasons now. These guys coming up just play with no worries and let it fly. It’s why you see Pete Kozma coming up with big hits and guys like Swisher struggling. Give me a guy with some bat speed and who flys around out there and I’ll take my chances at this point.
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“nu-ku-ler” One of the most misponounced words in the English language, mispronounced by US Presidents as well as newscasters – and sports broadcasters.
Same as jewel-er-ry.
Nu-clear. No “u” sound in the second syllable. Jewel-ry. No “e” before the last syllable.
@Tyler I don’t have any idea on A-Rod either. Swisher was in the on-deck circle when Ibanez was up. Swisher! The same guy who is 1-for-a million in the postseason and looks completely lost in October. Not just one game in October, many games, in many Octobers. Forget that A-Rod has looked bad. He still has 647 home runs. The fact that Swisher was the on-deck hitter says to me that A-Rod’s future is bleak, or that he’s hurt.
“Thank god they sat Swish. That fixed everything”
LOL. Yes, we got see some nice rollers back to the pitcher from Mr. Gardner. And some more pop-ups from Mr. Granderson.
Captain Clutch October 16th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
Benoit has been terrible recently and has looked like batting practice. Girardi didn’t think it was a good match up for Arod. I mean seriously. Ibanez hit .180 against lefties this year and Girardi liked that matchup better. That is scary.
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Two of the big home runs he hit this postseason were off lhp.
Arod doesn’t deserve anything and has not been mistreated.
Kay just said that since the pitching coach went in to talk to Coke. Coke had to pitch to the next batter. So A-Rod could have pinch hit for Ibanez
Other teams don’t fear the Yankees, they don’t fear the new stadium. No, other teams lick their chops at the prospect of facing these bums. The O’s would have put up more of a fight. Pathetic.
At this point I think Girardi and Cashman are messing with Arod for reason’s more than he isn’t hitting. Whether it has to do with his behavior the other night or what but something is going on. They are upset with him for some reason and are sitting him to prove a point.
yankeefeminista October 16th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
How do we know Alex doesn’t care? Ibanez on the road: .208/.269/.365. Vs lefties .197/.246/.245
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We obviously have no idea (and he probably does care) but I thought his body language was disappointing today. He just looked aloof to me. I don’t really know how I expect him to look on the bench…. he obviously wasn’t happy not starting but something just seems wrong with him.
And I think not pinch hitting for Ibanez tells us all we need to know about the confidence in A-Rod vs. RHP and Swisher with RISP.
I’d rather have a debate about the validity of the Tigers fandom… who boo’s a club that’s up 2-0 in the ALCS and winning game 3 in the 9th inning, amirite guys??
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Can we discuss that the Yankees didn’t even sell all their tickets to the ALCS? There were big blocks of relatively inexpensive seats available for game 2! At least the Tigers fans came to the ballpark and it was loud!
Can’t stand the whining Kay….we can’t beat Phil Coke?!?…Girardi is lying , take your umbrella and go away.
Good news – one more day and we won’t have to ever see Swisher in a Yankees uniform again!
0-4 with nothing but grounders to the pitcher and pop-ups for Gardner tonight.
0-3 with 1K and 2 pop-ups for Granderson.
This is the hard part. We have the pitching to win a title. We have the pen. We have the starters.
What we’re watching is the worst nightmare of many here who felt this would happen again in the post season without any real changes.
None of predicted Jeter breaking an ankle, but we all knew this team needed bats. Not a bat. Bats.
I think CC wins one tomorrow. I don’t know if we go back to YS.
That said, with CC and Andy on the mound in the next 2, we can win 2.
I just don’t know where the offense is going to come from and neither do the Yankees.
Over 100 million spent on offense alone and this result is unacceptable.
What a waste of a great pitching staff.
Phil Coke? Seriously? The guy who was the makeweight in the Granderson trade. Talk about rubbing salt in the wound.
fem – He hasn’t been by the book for a while now.. Joe’s been in gut mode.
Something is wrong with Alex we don’t know about.
Michael kaye is burying them hahahhaha and giradi
you’re right. arod has not been mistreated. he still makes 30 mil a year. that fixes everything. i always forget. silly me
jacksquat October 16th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
Captain Clutch October 16th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
Benoit has been terrible recently and has looked like batting practice. Girardi didn’t think it was a good match up for Arod. I mean seriously. Ibanez hit .180 against lefties this year and Girardi liked that matchup better. That is scary.
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Two of the big home runs he hit this postseason were off lhp.
Arod doesn’t deserve anything and has not been mistreated.
No heart + No Pride = 2012 NY Yankees
Other teams don’t fear the Yankees,
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Why should they?
“Other teams don’t fear the Yankees, they don’t fear the new stadium. No, other teams lick their chops at the prospect of facing these bums. The O’s would have put up more of a fight. Pathetic.”
Uh yeah, MaxyC. I’ll take the word of an obviously insecure fan over the word of players on other teams.
X-Box on!
I think Swisher will be in the lineup tomorrow because Girardi knows that it’s probably his last game as a Yankee. Arod probably won’t. But eventually we will find out the problem with him is. To not even get him an at bat in the 9th inning is unreal.
arsenelupin3 October 16th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
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Worst strike zone differential ever called?
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Disgusting.
Ridiculous when people say the strike zone doesn’t matter and/or is the same for both sides.
Anyone who thinks this team, this anemic, defeated, lazy, impotent, disfunctional team, will win the series, let alone bring it back to NY, is INSANE!
Captain Clutch October 16th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
At this point I think Girardi and Cashman are messing with Arod for reason’s more than he isn’t hitting. Whether it has to do with his behavior the other night or what but something is going on. They are upset with him for some reason and are sitting him to prove a point.
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It started before that.
RIP 2012 Yankees.
Resting Place – Detroit.
Both of them should be in there tomorrow. Chavez and Granderson aren’t any better. Play Gardner in center and sit Granderson for a game. He sure as hell needs to sit.
I get why there’s so much talk about Arod but he is so not the story of these playoffs (I get that he’s a story, but I don’t think he’s THE story)…
I’d still prob keep most of the line up there but I’d prob put Arod back at 3B. Chavez is adding nothing offensively. Another option: Nunez at short and Nix at 3B. Might as well really hammer the message home.
RyanC October 16th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
“Thank god they sat Swish. That fixed everything”
LOL. Yes, we got see some nice rollers back to the pitcher from Mr. Gardner. And some more pop-ups from Mr. Granderson.
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Give me a break. It was a good idea to mix up the lineup but it just didn’t produce results. Swisher has been atrocious. Gardner actually worked Verlander for some long at bats and was a big reason that he was all the way up in the 130s. Swisher would have gone down on 3 pitches swinging out of his shoes at 98 mph fastballs.
deleonj says: October 16, 2012 at 11:48 pm dude, i really think that he is just over them as well. yes, he hasnt performed this postseason, but he has also been mistreated.
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Mistreated? Why? Because his millions and past history make him deserve precious at bats in a must win playoff game when he hasn’t simply hit rhp, but looked overmatched everytime.
I’m the first one to tell you I would’ve started A-Rod over Chavez because at this point, both are a liability on the lineup but A-Rod has a higher potential to break out in dramatix fashion. But in that 9th inning he reminded me of every reason I had to never want him on my team. He was amazing in 2009, a driven man. But the guy in the dugout couldn’t wait for the game to be over and find better activities to do.
Mistreated? Disrespected? Hpw about he looks at himself in the mirror and sees who he is and tries to do something to fix himself and help a team that needs him instead of feeling insulted?
Nothing but a bunch of DOGS. Led by the head DOG, Corporate Hal Steinbrenner. Have a great winter. F this bunch. Blow up this train wreck and start over.
Trisha, you are delusional if you think bats made of sawdust will beat this pitching staff, let alone another Verlander outing – pure delusion. You ar ein the stages of grief. Accept it, 2012 is over.
This arod thing is like the Yankee version of fried chicken & beer.
I almost get the feeling that orders came down. Protect the brand. Keep swish and arod out of view.
not picking up a bat
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They were not going to pinch hit for Raul unless we find out A-rod refused to go in which would be suicide.
Shame, it just shows what we have become that our bench players have become our regulars. The pitching deserves better support. Sad.
They had pitches to hit all night and did absolutely nothing with them. Granderson gets a 3-1 fastball right down the middle and pops it up. Brutal to watch him attempt to hit at this point.
Michael Kay is burying the Yankees AND Girardi?
I can see him burying the Yankees. I don’t think it’s Girardi’s fault tonight though.
They had two (2) freakin’ hits until the 9th inning, and had scored zero (0) runs in the last twenty (20) innings.
This one, like almost every other loss this postseason, is on the offense. As Derek Jeter would say “we didn’t score any runs, it’s hard to win if you score 0 runs”
“Disgusting.
Ridiculous when people say the strike zone doesn’t matter and/or is the same for both sides.”
You get that most from fans who don’t have the ability to see beyond their noses.
“Something is wrong with Alex we don’t know about.”
Plus the things we do know about.
Hey, tomorrow is October 17, anniversary of the ’89 earthquake, so how about the Yanks come out and shake up this series!
(there, a little rah rah)
I think Swisher will be in the lineup tomorrow because Girardi knows that it’s probably his last game as a Yankee.
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I go with the same lineup tomorrow, looks like Martin is hurt, Stewart could start.
Have to think ’42 Leafs at this point. Down the first three games, they were losing game 4 2-0 and their coach read a letter from some little girl begging for a cup win. No choice, remain positive and give your kids some crayons and paper.
Yeah, im sure arod is doing NOTHING to try to fix this. He probably doesnt care.
Yankees_Fan October 16th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
deleonj says: October 16, 2012 at 11:48 pm dude, i really think that he is just over them as well. yes, he hasnt performed this postseason, but he has also been mistreated.
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Mistreated? Why? Because his millions and past history make him deserve precious at bats in a must win playoff game when he hasn’t simply hit rhp, but looked overmatched everytime.
I’m the first one to tell you I would’ve started A-Rod over Chavez because at this point, both are a liability on the lineup but A-Rod has a higher potential to break out in dramatix fashion. But in that 9th inning he reminded me of every reason I had to never want him on my team. He was amazing in 2009, a driven man. But the guy in the dugout couldn’t wait for the game to be over and find better activities to do.
Mistreated? Disrespected? Hpw about he looks at himself in the mirror and sees who he is and tries to do something to fix himself and help a team that needs him instead of feeling insulted?
I wonder if Arod pays these people to come here and stick up for him. Seriously… what is with this conspiracy crap? He hasn’t hit sh*t vs rhp and looks terrible. TERRIBLE. At least Chavez has good at bats and puts the bat on the ball.
The 2012 Yankees are pop out and ground out machines.
I would play Arod and Swisher tomorrow. Chavez hasn’t looked good at the plate at all and Gardner has missed too much time to expect anything out of him. If the all stars don’t perform they go home..it’s real simple. Arod is going to be here for 5 more years so sitting him isn’t helping.
“Gardner actually worked Verlander for some long at bats”
That’s because he swung at balls. Check the pitches. I’d rather him take a walk and try to steal a base then work the pitcher and end up with an 0-4 night. Wouldn’t you? Swinging at balls just to “work” a pitcher isn’t a good thing.
I have absolutely no idea what Girardi could have done differently tonight. He obviously has zero faith in A-Rod against either Benoit or Dotel. Swisher is 1-35 with RISP. If he makes an out there, Girardi gets ripped apart anyway. He hoped that Ibanez could overcome the splits and shine once more. Obviously it didn’t work but I have a hard time ripping him for that.
Are the Yankees the Tigers version of what the Twins are to the Yankees? It seems like they roll over the Yankees so easily every time the teams meet in the postseason. Or it could be that the Yankees just suck every time they face the Tigers in the postseason.
arsenelupin3 October 16th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
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Worst strike zone differential ever called?
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triangles are balls or strikes?
Bronx Jeers October 16th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
I almost get the feeling that orders came down.
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I agree.
Like I said before, if they put Nix at 3B and really send a message, we’ might have more insight. ALL the bench guys play tomorrow lol.
I almost get the feeling that orders came down. Protect the brand. Keep swish and arod out of view.
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But, why? Why embarass A-Rod more? I get it. He’s not hitting. But we owe him over $110 million dollars over the next five years! Unless they know that they can get rid of him, I don’t see how it helps to do this to him. Although I completely understand the argument that he deserves it because he’s not producing.
“Arod is going to be here for 5 more years so sitting him isn’t helping.”
Agreed.
The Yankees make me sick to my stomach – every damn year its the same damn result. Amazing regular season only to utterly fail and flame out in the postseason, surrendering without any damn fight. I would rather have them not make the playoffs so they could stop playing with our emotions.
Gardner’s 0-4 beats any contribution from Swish and Granderson this series. Why? He fought hard most of those at bats and wasn’t simply making hero swings and striking out.
It will be funny to see what over the hill player Nunez will be traded for this off season. Everyone knows that eventually he will be moved in a stupid trade.
RyanC October 16th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
“Gardner actually worked Verlander for some long at bats”
That’s because he swung at balls. Check the pitches. I’d rather him take a walk and try to steal a base then work the pitcher and end up with an 0-4 night. Wouldn’t you? Swinging at balls just to “work” a pitcher isn’t a good thing.
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I’m not saying he should have swung at balls just to work the pitcher. His timing was understandably off in his first actual start since April 17.. he’s normally a very patient hitter (and I’m not even a big Gardner supporter). He didn’t have a good night but I’d take that over what I’ve seen from Swisher any day. Swisher wouldn’t even get to 3-2 counts against Verlander tonight. He’d swing out of his shoes at every 98 mph fastball thrown his way. Not to mention the numerous swings Swisher has taken at breaking balls in the dirt all postseason. Or his butcher job in RF throughout game 1. I don’t like Gardner much at all so you know I’m disgusted with Swisher to be so pro-Gardner.
A-Rod has sit 2 games this postseason against pitchers that he actually HITS well during his career. I think his average is 0.87 against tomorrow’s pitcher…probably not playing
“Arod is going to be here for 5 more years so sitting him isn’t helping.”
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You don’t know that.
Hey, well at least we made it out of the first round. Baby steps, baby steps, people.
RyanC October 16th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
“Gardner actually worked Verlander for some long at bats”
That’s because he swung at balls. Check the pitches. I’d rather him take a walk and try to steal a base then work the pitcher and end up with an 0-4 night. Wouldn’t you? Swinging at balls just to “work” a pitcher isn’t a good thing.
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If he doesn’t swing they’re called strike by this umpire
A-Rod should be out there tomorrow in place of Chavez. Simple as that.
Oh what a shame. Those money grubbing pieces of garbage Corporate Hal, Hillbilly Hank, Scumbag Levine and Midget Trost wont get a Game 6 and 7 and all that money at the gate.
Sounds like some people are making excuses for the feeble grounders and pop-ups by Gardner. He should have taken his walks that Verlander was trying to give to him.
At this rate, for the Yankees to succeed in the postseason, every opposing team in every round must wear Twins uniforms.
This is the most pathetic, lamest, weakest team I’ve seen in a long time. Just unbelievable. Nunez basically saved them from being shut out two games in a row in the playoffs for the first time in 51 appearances. How embarrassing.
Tyler October 16th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
I have absolutely no idea what Girardi could have done differently tonight.
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We can nitpick on Girardi right now but I think overall everyone pretty much acknowledges that this PS he is not a problem.
I thought he would be in these tight games.. I was very worried about his management in that regard. But he’s done all he can really.. and he’s done a lot of things in this PS that go completely against everything he’s done in the past. (Seriously, did any of you actually believe he’d start benching these guys? Is that a Joe Girardi move you’d have honestly predicted after watching how he manages for 4 years?)
Again though.. this whole thing has just come down to what everyone was discussing both in the off season and from the start to finish of this season: the inconsistent offense and how it could be a liability at this time of year.
A lot of good that change of scenery and off day did, right guys?
In retrospect I really wish we’d have ARod in there. Never thought it would be Chavez that would cost us a run on an error.
I am surprised Swisher was picked over AROD as a potential pinch hitter. Where is he in the pecking order? Is he pinch hitting tight before Stewart?
I don’t think they are sending any message other than the team thinks he is incapable of producing. Is that their view going forward or is it an injury or slump response?
Next year, lets turn the stadium into the new Citi Field and send all of these bums, top to bottom, a message.
Maybe we expected to much. We knew this wasn’t a WS during the yr. We knew the hitting was an issue. But like the fans we are we bought in like we do every yr. We’ll be here again in 2013 probably saying the same thing.
Shame-
The problem is the lineup which pretty much everyone realizes. This offseason is going to be interesting. I know that he is not the only problem but something is going to come out about this organization’s relationship with A-Rod right now once the season is over. There is something up… not sure whether it is about the game 1 flirting story or what. but it’s going to have a long term effect on the ball club, that’s for sure.
hey guys, I don’t post alot but….. I will not give up (didn’t ’04 prove anything)….. I still will support this team till the final out of that 4th win but until then no one should give up. We gotta support these guys and force it to bring it back home. LETS GO YANKEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Triangles are yankees pitchers, squares are detroit. Green = ball, Red = strike. Link is broken I believe, but brooksbaseball . net has plenty of charts. disgusting.
Unfortunately, the yanks weren’t doing themselves any favors ahead in the count. Gardner’s at-bats looked okay, but he exemplified how poorly we performed in 2-0, 3-1, etc, counts.
There should be many moves this OS, making it more of a Girardi type team. This is not his kind of team where longball is the rule. It just doesn’t work in the long haul. Look at Detroit.
The only power they have is 3-4 and 5 and it’s enough….too many sluggers, too many slumps.
Sabathia should’ve started Game 3.
Sabathia/Hughes/Pettitte/Kuroda/Sabatha Games 3-7 respectively.
Now it has to be Sabathia/Pettitte/Kuroda/Sabathia Game 7 !@#$ Hughes.
Put em’ all in their for game 4, or better yet, make the lineup based on lots or games of rock, paper and scissors – it won’t matter. These underachievers will still find ways to lose in shame.
Now we can stop all the rah rah talk about 1996 and this team can do the same…,, STOP!! Please don’t ever insult the guts, and heart of that great 1996 team. These DOGS are not even worthy of washing their jock straps.
No more pressure now. Just win with CC tomorrow.
If you’re out there, Carlo, I’m sure you’ll be delighted for me that at least I won the Yankees run line bet.
Chavez isn’t a better option than Arod and I think Cashman and Girardi know that. They aren’t playing him in these games to stick it to him. If he was hurt I think Girardi would just come out and say it there is no reason to hide it.
Never thought I would say this about my beloved Yankees but I’m so sick of watching this team that I will be glad when our season is over. Apart from a handful of games and a handful of players, this hasn’t been a fun group to root for.
austinmac October 17th, 2012 at 12:06 am
I am surprised Swisher was picked over AROD as a potential pinch hitter. Where is he in the pecking order? Is he pinch hitting tight before Stewart?
I don’t think they are sending any message other than the team thinks he is incapable of producing. Is that their view going forward or is it an injury or slump response?
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I think it’s their view going forward… I hope it acts as a motivator more than a detriment but Arod has centaur aspirations not centaur sensibilities.
We gotta support these guys and force it to bring it back home. LETS GO YANKEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I’m not supporting these lame bums – their salary is enough incentive to succeed, or in the very least fight!
2012 New York Tankees
Cashman and Girardi are upset with Arod for something other than production and he is being punished. Eventually the dailynews aka tmz will report the real issue.
Sabathia should’ve started Game 3.
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Because our pitching was so awful tonight? The only runs came immediately after squeezes by the ump.
John Flaherty?@flash17yes
Alex not preparing for a pinch hit appearance in the ninth was very strange.
Maybe we expected to much. We knew this wasn’t a WS during the yr. We knew the hitting was an issue.
Spot on. This team isn’t that good. I think they over-achieved winning the the division and reaching the ALCS. Most of them have played well below the back of their baseball cards and only good pitching enabled them to beat the Orioles.
NYY_Girl_Penny October 17th, 2012 at 12:10 am
2012 New York Tankees
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Could you at least come up with something funnier. I don’t mind a joke but Tankees? C’mon NYY G P you’re better than that.
Never thought I would say this about my beloved Yankees but I’m so sick of watching this team that I will be glad when our season is over. Apart from a handful of games and a handful of players, this hasn’t been a fun group to root for.
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This game hurt the least of the 3.
You don’t expect to beat Verlander + long term what Girardi did earned my respect.
MaxyC:
Stop. Please.
I tear up thinking about those teams from the 90′s and the old stadium. We don’t realize what a special bunch they were, and that we may never see anything like that again, with the Yankees and maybe in baseball. I am grateful to those teams and the fight that they exhibited, even when they lost. 2001 was bad, but the old team, in their last stand, fought to the end. The current Yankees shame the brand, the uniform and the fans; to be humiliated, and defeated, without nary a whimper. They are disgraces, and I hope they feel it in their hearts as they lay in beds tonight.
Shame,
I didn’t know about centaur sensibilities. They went away never to be seen again. Now, that could be a possible comparison.
We’ve done nothing BUT support this lame bunch and they screwed us. Put us all out of our misery tomorrow. I’m done with this charade of a team.
“surprised Swisher was picked over AROD as a potential pinch hitter.”
No, they were going to bring in Benoit if A-Rod pinch hit.
A-Rod is 3-19 off Benoit with 1 HR.
Swisher is 4-14 off Benoit with 3 HR and 1 2B.
I think that was the extent of Girardi’s thinking on the matter. It was numbers, I don’t think it was a personal thing. They wanted Swisher vs Benoit rather than A-Rod vs Benoit.
He really stuck it to Arod by sending Swisher to the on deck circle.
It’s like saying we benched you both but for different reasons.
“He really stuck it to Arod by sending Swisher to the on deck circle.”
Again, I doubt it was personal, check the numbers and what was going to happen if A-Rod pinch hit.
“I think they’ll pitch well enough to win the whole thing….they will go as far as their offense takes them”
My quote before the playoffs.
Night all…..I’ll be dreaming of an offense that actually is fine.
Gardner had to swing at close pitches, did you guys see the strike zone, hello?
Shame Spencer says:
October 17, 2012 at 12:04 am
Again though.. this whole thing has just come down to what everyone was discussing both in the off season and from the start to finish of this season: the inconsistent offense and how it could be a liability at this time of year.
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Not could be, would be, unfortunately.
The team was as a crossroads a year or two ago with AROD aging and declining. They waited and hoped his decline wasn’t real. They didn’t look for additional offense saying the offense was fine. Cashman repeated that mantra many times.
He grossly miscalculated.
“did you guys see the strike zone, hello?”
The strike zone was wide, not low. He was swinging at very low and very takeable pitches.
Are the Yankees the Tigers version of what the Twins are to the Yankees? It seems like they roll over the Yankees so easily every time the teams meet in the postseason. Or it could be that the Yankees just suck every time they face the Tigers in the postseason.
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There is 14 AL teams the yankees have never faced Toronto, Tampa Bay, or Chi White Sox in a playoff series. Of the other 11 they have beat all of them but Detroit.
The Yankees will become the 1980′s redux. The O’s will become the new AL East superpower in the future, as the Yanks will be the destination for all free agent bums, hacks, underachievers and fading superstars.
“+ long term what Girardi did earned my respect.”
Every move he’s made has been a day late and run short. But as for respect he already had it from me anyway.
MaxyC
I know you’re upset – we all are – but remember there were 26 teams who didn’t make it this far. Yes, it’s all about winning Championships for the Yankees, but few expected us to achieve that this year, especially after Mo went down.
Girardi is managing more with his gut than his binder of late.
MaxyCpad
I think they will re-negotiate Arod’s contract. They are going to negotiate an early retirement. They will pay him every penny, but just not having his contract would help immensely payroll wise.
Swisher is as good as gone. Probably Granderson is traded. I would try to trade Tex too.
austinmac October 17th, 2012 at 12:17 am
The team was as a crossroads a year or two ago with AROD aging and declining. They waited and hoped his decline wasn’t real. They didn’t look for additional offense saying the offense was fine. Cashman repeated that mantra many times.
He grossly miscalculated.
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And now they’ll ride Arod for it instead of just doing stuff to fix it lol. I dunno that I’ve formulated an opinion on it just yet but I do wonder if it’s the right tactic… I’m not sure who could stick it to whom more in this situation (was my usage of who and whom correct? Yay? Nay?).
Granderson is a REALLY boring interview. It’s basically like listening to a Jeter interview. He always has an excuse instead of just saying that he misplayed the ball. I really hope that Cashman looks into moving him this off season. They need more contact guys and his non contact is insane already.
“MaxyCpad”
LMAO!!!
It sure sounds like it’s his time of the month!
Look at the big picture, folks. This team just isn’t nearly good enough and they are in over their heads. Perhaps the most pitiful offensive performance in MLB history. End this debacle already.
On mlbnetwork they are showing how many pitches over the plate the Yanks missed tonight. It was a lot but it seems like we have to hear this every night.
Look at the big picture, folks. This team just isn’t nearly good enough and they are in over their heads. Perhaps the most pitiful offensive performance in MLB history. End this debacle already.
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Most years when the yankees hit this bad i would believe this, however, the pitching is the best and most reliable it has been in years. It would be a shame to waste that. The yankees got put on the brink by the orioles many times this year and always came through so we will see.
Shame,
Your usage seems good to me. It can’t be a good path with AROD. He isn’t tradable even with huge payments of his salary. That fixes nothing. I have said they need him and should play him.
Send me cookies and I’ll fix your grammar.
“Send me cookies and I’ll fix your grammar.”
What kind, I can sure use some help.
He grossly miscalculated.
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As he always does
Gardner saw 23 pitches.
austinmac October 17th, 2012 at 12:27 am
Shame,
Your usage seems good to me. It can’t be a good path with AROD. He isn’t tradable even with huge payments of his salary. That fixes nothing. I have said they need him and should play him.
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I’m with you.
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Nick in SF October 17th, 2012 at 12:27 am
Send me cookies and I’ll fix your grammar.
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You’re obsessed with getting my cookies (not the first, won’t be the last), but can we clarify if I owe you cookies? I don’t want to have a reputation like stuckey… does anyone?
The way I look at the series now is this …
win tomorrow to avoid the humiliation of being swept … we have CC on the mound on full rest … even we continue to struggle to score runs, I still like our chances.
You then go to Game 5 and we have Andy on the mound with the team feeling good about coming off a win.
I never felt that the Yankees could go to Detroit and run the table and come back home up 3-2 with a chance to win the series in 6 games … the way they could have avoided having to face Verlander in Game 7 would have been to win at least 1 of the first 2 games.
But they can win these next 2 games, they can … I’m not going over board and saying that they can then go home and complete this miracle … but I do think that they can still get this series back to New York … and if they do … who knows?
MaxyC, these are Hal’s Yankees not George’s. I have a feeling that Hal would rebuild rather than sign overpriced bums, if for no other reason in order to get to his 189 Mil salary. I just hope the Yankees stop throwing away their Jackson’s and Montero’s. For a guy who professes to wanting to get the Yankees younger, he sure has some splaining to do.
Hence my call for Cashman to be fired. He has had 8 years already to rebuild the core and has very little to show for it. Cano ( he tried to trade him three times), Gardner, Hughes ( I guess the only reason he wasn’t traded is because he was the poster boy of his vision) and Joba ( which has been misused and burned to a point ).
I think enough is enough.
Can’t believe we’re going to lose to Detroit for the 3rd time in what 6-7 yrs.
stuckey is on his own category of shame.
Trisha, again you are delusional – what stage of grief are you in now, denial?
The saddest collection, save a few, of sandlot bums we have the displeasure of watching.
luis October 17th, 2012 at 12:34 am
Hence my call for Cashman to be fired. He has had 8 years already to rebuild the core and has very little to show for it. Cano ( he tried to trade him three times), Gardner, Hughes ( I guess the only reason he wasn’t traded is because he was the poster boy of his vision) and Joba ( which has been misused and burned to a point ).
I think enough is enough.
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Won’t happen my friend but he’ll come out this off season and tell everyone how these guys can play in the bigs right now and 10 Gms called about this player.
MaxyC, these are Hal’s Yankees not George’s. I have a feeling that Hal would rebuild rather than sign overpriced bums, if for no other reason in order to get to his 189 Mil salary. I just hope the Yankees stop throwing away their Jackson’s and Montero’s. For a guy who professes to wanting to get the Yankees younger, he sure has some splaining to do.
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Hal and these guys are not their father. At least he had the intensity and passion for winning. These new guys are bottom dollar people, that’s all. Sort of like the Wilpons.
From Pete Abraham ?on twitter
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@PeteAbe
Funny Verlander quote: “Nunez put up one of the best at-bats, given the situation, I have ever seen. Especially with me on the mound.”
Nick – We’ll pick this up tomorrow.. I need to get my beauty rest so I can maintain my title here on the blog.
Shame’s Beauty Sleep Routine: eating a can of chocolate frosting in my usual garb (tiara, feather boa, pink pig slippers).
I can think better after breakfast (which I normally follow up with half a sleeve of Tates.. for reals. My boss is concerned with my eating habits and suggested I read In Defense of Food lol).
Odds,
I know.. That’s why I worry, he is not the man for the moment we are facing…we are in for a long downward period
I forgot about Drob.
Another questionable move that could have cost the game for the yankees was leaving logan and not using robertson. Even with logan performance, it was still not the right move.
luis October 17th, 2012 at 12:43 am
Odds,
I know.. That’s why I worry, he is not the man for the moment we are facing…we are in for a long downward period
I forgot about Drob.
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He appears to not be the man for the job. Many ppl point to their draft position but players can be found everywhere. This isn’t the NBA where after the first 10 or so picks you’re scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Seriously, only two people here are talking about the absolutely rigged strike zone tonight?
What the hell?
Are you all just content with being screwed over by the umpires? This is *entirely* the fault of our lineup? Someone wanna bring up some BS about the “human element” of the game?
When is this terrible officiating going to ever be addressed by anyone?
Funny Verlander quote: “Nunez put up one of the best at-bats, given the situation, I have ever seen. Especially with me on the mound.”
You mean the Nunez who originally didn’t make the 25 man for this series? The one who sat on the bench for game 2 and watched Nix and his .200 avg and 600 OPS vs RH pitching?
Of course it must have been luck because Giradi and Cashman have a lot more information than we do. And we all know the only reason he got the start tonight was “because you have to try something different”.
Sorry I’m still a little pissed off right now.
It has been a long time since the days of Steve Sax. Hard to believe we would go years without sniffing the playoffs. Is that what you are suggesting Luis?
Are you all just content with being screwed over by the umpires? This is *entirely* the fault of our lineup? Someone wanna bring up some BS about the “human element” of the game?
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Yes, it is the fault of this so called vaunted lineup. When calls go our way, we don’t complain, so give the other side the same consideration. Our lineup failed again – that’s the main point.
Is that what you are suggesting Luis?
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Luis thinks we are on the brink of a steep decline. New York Met type seasons.
It’s really hard to look at this strikezone plot and say the game wasn’t rigged by the home plate umpire:
http://www.brooksbaseball.net/.....8;s_type=7
ALDS vs. Baltimore:
Starters:
39.2 IP, 28 Hits, 32 Strikeouts, 8 Walks, 9 Earned Runs, 2.05 ERA
Bullpen:
11.1 IP, 6 Hits, 10 Strikeouts, 0 Walks, 1 Earned Run, 0.80 ERA
Combined:
51.0 IP, 34 Hits, 42 Strikeouts, 8 Walks, 10 Earned Runs, 1.76 ERA
ALCS vs. Detroit:
Starters:
17.1 IP, 15 Hits, 17 Strikeouts, 6 Walks, 6 Earned Runs, 3.13 ERA
Bullpen:
11.2 IP, 15 Hits, 8 Strikeouts, 4 Walks, 4 Earned Runs, 3.07 ERA
Combined:
29.0 IP, 30 Hits, 25 Strikeouts, 10 Walks, 10 Earned Runs, 3.10 ERA.
THAT is Championship-caliber pitching. It’s a damn shame that offense has evaporated.
We hit .181 vs. Baltimore and are hitting .211 vs. Detroit.
It will be maddening to hear Cashman at the end of this. Once again he will go on about the Yankees being “championship caliber.”. Nothing will change because Cahman simply can’t fathom that any team put together by Cashman needs to be Overhauled.
I’m over this game anyway.
All I care about tonight is that Romney tanked the second debate.
It’s really hard to look at this strikezone plot and say the game wasn’t rigged by the home plate umpire:
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Right, it was all about the rigged zone, not the mendoza line hitting team that is hastening the end of this season.
So you’re just an angry, lousy fan, I guess.
Take a look at that picture again and try to explain to me how it was an unbiased, impartial strike zone.
Stop making excuses – this team is underperforming. The onus is on them, stop being in denial.
Bee dogs, no he didn’t nor did Obama, it ’twas a boring, overhyped draw. . . But I would have to say that both candidates put better at bats together than most of the Yankees.
And no, we should not be expecting this kind of umpiring in the postseason simply because it happens from time to time during a 162-game regular season.
The terrible calls have been pretty relentless for the entire series. Tonight’s strike zone was just the most glaring example so far, unless the Infante “safe” call trumps it.
I’m sure I’ll get about a half dozen replies from angry people telling me that the team just needs to “overcome” it, though. Or some mouth-breather-level response like that.
The terrible calls have been pretty relentless for the entire series. Tonight’s strike zone was just the most glaring example so far, unless the Infante “safe” call trumps it.
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It’s the big Yankees conspiracy, correct? Nothing to do with the lousy hitting, sub par defense.
jpao89 October 17th, 2012 at 12:58 am
It will be maddening to hear Cashman at the end of this. Once again he will go on about the Yankees being “championship caliber.”. Nothing will change because Cahman simply can’t fathom that any team put together by Cashman needs to be Overhauled.
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“We believe in our guys”
“Playoffs are a crapshoot”
“Our young players stepped up this yr”
“The most important thing is to get in and anything can happen”
“We didn’t achieve the goal of a WS but the yr wasn’t a waste”
“We’re committed to putting a a team on the field good enough to win a WS”
*rattles off the names of guys that had good seasons*
*rattles off the names of guys that didn’t but they expect to bounce back*
*mentions players in the minors that are the next big thing but cautions the public to not get too excited because they are still young*
Am I missing anything
2004 begins tomorrow
“Am I missing anything”
It’s a process.
One biased umpire doesn’t mean it’s a “conspiracy”.
It just means we should get rid of umpires and let PitchFX call the balls and strikes.
I don’t remember tennis fans complaining when they introduced computerized line judging.
Odds-
The Mets haven’t had a decent prospect since they traded for Santana. The Yanks also don’t have the financial problems the Mets have. I either can’t or don’t want to believe the Yanks will follow in the Mets footsteps. I am not going back to the 80′s.
Why is baseball so “sacred” that we can’t have it here, too?
Tar October 17th, 2012 at 1:07 am
“Am I missing anything”
It’s a process.
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Oh yea how could I forget that. That’s his favorite especially when he tries to explain why the farm is the way it is.
“We believe in our guys”
“Playoffs are a crapshoot”
“Our young players stepped up this yr”
“The most important thing is to get in and anything can happen”
“We didn’t achieve the goal of a WS but the yr wasn’t a waste”
“We’re committed to putting a a team on the field good enough to win a WS”
*rattles off the names of guys that had good seasons*
*rattles off the names of guys that didn’t but they expect to bounce back*
*mentions players in the minors that are the next big thing but cautions the public to not get too excited because they are still young*
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HAHAHAHAHA!!! All of the usual suspects.
“We tip our caps.”
“We just need to make adjustments.”
“This year was just not out year, but next year, we will be back.”
if angry, content-free posts could win ballgames, we’d definitely be up 3-0 by now just from your terrible replies, MaxyC.
Ahem -Cashman has been at the helm since 2006. Now, that doesn’t compute to eight years. Could he have done better? Yep, anyone can do better. But just some points. KLaw praised Heathcott as a future star
If Heathcott tones it a down, does he lose what gives him star potential? Seems like a catch 22 situation.
Klaw (2:06 PM)
No, the star potential is from the athleticism – plus runner, really good swing, strong hands. Just needs to dial it down one notch.
He lost two years to injuriesGranderson for Jackson? One year ago Granderson was in the MVP running.
98NYY October 17th, 2012 at 1:06 am
2004 begins tomorrow
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Yanks go home after losing 4 straight?
I guess they have a chance tomorrow with CC. Scoring more than 1 run may be necessary though.
Against All Odds, nope you pretty much have all Cashman’s greatest hits. I love the mention of the guys in the minors and his professed love for them. Ole Cash loves to let them marinate down there so that they can develop and be traded for Dave Kingman and a torn labrum. I want to play poker with this guy. He folds on four of a kind and plays a pair of two’s.
is the way it is.
MaxyC October 17th, 2012 at 1:08 am
“We believe in our guys”
“Playoffs are a crapshoot”
“Our young players stepped up this yr”
“The most important thing is to get in and anything can happen”
“We didn’t achieve the goal of a WS but the yr wasn’t a waste”
“We’re committed to putting a a team on the field good enough to win a WS”
*rattles off the names of guys that had good seasons*
*rattles off the names of guys that didn’t but they expect to bounce back*
*mentions players in the minors that are the next big thing but cautions the public to not get too excited because they are still young*
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HAHAHAHAHA!!! All of the usual suspects.
“We tip our caps.”
“We just need to make adjustments.”
“This year was just not out year, but next year, we will be back.”
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Wash, rinse, repeat….same thing every yr.
And ppl can’t keep giving him breaks on the farm. This isn’t yr 1 or 3 or even 5. We are going on yr 7-8 c’mon now.
Beedogs;
When they lose game 4, you will blame the strikezone again, and how all of the umpires are against the Yanks, right. Nothin in your posts point towards the real blame here – the horrid offense. After they are swept, you will still be in denial.
My wife was annoyed over how much Yankees baseball I watch, so I told her, “Don’t worry, honey, after Wed. there won’t be anymore baseball left.”
Bo Knows, it is more than Granderson being in the MVP running a year ago. Cash and Hal said that the Yanks needed to get cheaper and younger. Given that goal, the question then was whether Granderson would so out produce Jackson to justify the increased cost. So far, it appears that Cashman whiffed big time.
jpao89 October 17th, 2012 at 1:12 am
Against All Odds, nope you pretty much have all Cashman’s greatest hits. I love the mention of the guys in the minors and his professed love for them. Ole Cash loves to let them marinate down there so that they can develop and be traded for Dave Kingman and a torn labrum. I want to play poker with this guy. He folds on four of a kind and plays a pair of two’s.
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And when he trades them away they some how lose their allure. He loved Kennedy when he was here but after he has success with the D’backs he throws out the whole pitching in NL thing.
Sorry guys, got distracted by some other things… Anyway, have a good night.
Thanks Odds, hopefully is not as bad as I see it.
Newman talking about SAL
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....n-of-2012/
2. Angelo Gumbs, New York Yankees
The most explosive athlete on this list, Gumbs oozes tools and has bat speed to spare. Gumbs has a lower floor than a number of second baseman ranked below him on the list, but nobody else has the potential of being an impact talent either. Amazing to think he was the fourth best position prospect on his own team in Charleston.
And that doesn’t include Heatchott.
Adams two years of injuries.
I won’t talk about Pitcher injuries starting back when, with Garcia who is now being extolled by Washington – and the three B’s crashing due to different reasons
You won’t get many arguments from me on the handling of Hughes and Joba. But, they gambled on Joba as damaged goods in the draft.
And so on and so forth.
luis October 17th, 2012 at 1:21 am
Sorry guys, got distracted by some other things… Anyway, have a good night.
Thanks Odds, hopefully is not as bad as I see it.
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Hopefully it’s not as bad as you see it. If the kids were closer the sting wouldn’t be as bad.
You’re Welcome take care buddy.
Is it true that this team’s collective postseason average is the worst since 1921?
Is it true you didn’t even bother to look at the strikezone plot?
Bo knows,
Sorry, it is seven or six years… Still plenty of time… I think Oppenheimer does a very good job in the draft… The problem is in the minors coaching.
About Granderson, the trade made sense then… Nowadays I wouldn’t do it… Those are the type of trades we should stay away from here on out… We as fans better learn to be patient and understand growing pains, with rookies that’s inevitable.
Tar,
LMAO! It’s a process, boy I hate this line. Have good night all.
Beedogs;
I’m not buying into your conspiracy theories. You obviously are not watching the same team that everyone else is watching. A team that cannot hit a beach ball. Accept it.
I understand your frustration, people. Cashman’s in charge, Yanks missed the playoffs again, no hope in sight.
They might as well place a placard above the Yankees clubhouse that reads, “All ye who enter, abandon all hope.”
Bo Knows, it is more than Granderson being in the MVP running a year ago. Cash and Hal said that the Yanks needed to get cheaper and younger. Given that goal, the question then was whether Granderson would so out produce Jackson to justify the increased cost. So far, it appears that Cashman whiffed big time.
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Yo – Monday morning wisdom. The buzz was that Jackson was three years away with similar skills. More defense less power. The Yankees needed CF, right now, didn’t trust Gardner. Granderson, the talent is there, we’ve seen it. Teix – the talent is there – both YS disease.
The Yankees finished first and are in the ALDS and the caterwauling and yowling has started already. At least wait till the post season.
Alex is struggling – no doubt, he needs to adjust to his slower bat speed – I think he will, if Ibanez can adjust, so can Alex. Hank blew his wad with the signing but… Fire Cashman.
But hey don’t let it spoil the narrative.
Can’t blame the pitching at all, which leads me to believe since it’s a strength, some pieces may be traded. Possibly Hughes, if Kuroda and Pettitte return to join CC in the rotation. That would leave two slots, one for Phelps, one for God knows who.
Granderson and Hughes to Zona for Upton. ichirio, Gardner and Upton works for me.
Arod will be in Ge lineup tomorrow.
What’s most telling is that Jeter isn’t in the dugout wearing a cast but giving moral support. He knows they’re done.
Hank blew his wad with the signing
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Blame Hal too he is the money guy.
I’ve said many times that Cashman and Oppenhiemer were handcuffed by the suits. Both LA and the draft were put on budgets just when everyone else was loading up. 18 year old development on average takes four/five years. college two/three. HS is more of a gamble, more flameouts.
There is your gap in the talent group. The Yankees have five top flite kids in High A. Is this fan base willing to wait one to two years to see what’s there? I highly doubt it. This is not in general, a sophisticated fanbase. Witness the yowling on here. And there are a lot of knowledgeable people on here.
Another quote from Newman
7. Dante Bichette Jr., New York Yankees
I have little doubt the Yankees prospect can hit after seeing him shorten up multiple times with two strikes and guide two singles off of Tim Hudson while on rehab assignment. However, I do question Bichette’s defensive ability, as well as his maturity after watching him yawn and horseplay his way through pre-game drills. At 19, he is likely to repeat the South Atlantic League where I’ll receive additional looks in 2013. After a disappointing season in Charleston, Bichette has the hitting ability to rebound should he develop a more professional approach.
And in the comments
Will Bichette hit for power? It was a bit disconcerting to see his ISO fall off a cliff this year when his calling card was supposed to be huge right handed power.
And I think you might be being a little harsh about his makeup. He’s 19 years old, God forbid he have fun playing baseball.
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Mike Newman says:
October 16, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Oh, I love guys who have fun playing baseball. This wasn’t that. This was a guy whose body language spoke of a player who wanted to be somewhere else..like taking a nap or something.
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My point – Give a HS kid a lot of money. We know many kids with great talent that flamed out.
Well so far we have played 8 postseason games and people have whined and complained about the umpiring for 8 straight games.
Now I am not much of a gambler, but I would put a large sum of money down that tomorrow the usual suspects on here (who are nothing more than excuse makers) are going to b*tch about the umpiring again.
Give it a rest. Every night the umps are against us. Riiiiiiight…
It’s just complete loser talk.
Captain Clutch October 17th, 2012 at 12:25 am
On mlbnetwork they are showing how many pitches over the plate the Yanks missed tonight. It was a lot but it seems like we have to hear this every night.
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You mean there were actual pitches the Yankees could hit. That just can’t be I am stunned I tell you. But But the umps they are out to get us. I mean everyone knows that MLB and more importantly FOX would rather have the Tigers in the World Series than the Yankees.
Are you people STUPID? Do you realize how preposterous you sound when you try to portray that the Umps are out to screw the Yanks?
Whatever makes you sleep at night I guess.
Ahem -Cashman has been at the helm since 2006. Now, that doesn’t compute to eight years. Could he have done better?
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Gotta love this one. I guess everything from 1998 until 2006 doesn’t count at all right?