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Just the man for the job

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 17, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Last time CC Sabathia pitched was Game 5 of the division series, on the night after Justin Verlander had delivered a complete game to get the Tigers into the ALCS. How did Sabathia respond? A complete game of his own to get the Yankees into the next round.

“I knew that he pitched well and threw a complete game,” Sabathia said. “But that wasn’t the reason why I felt I went out and pitched a good game. I was really concerned about our team and our situation and trying to get us to the next round. Obviously I know he’s a great pitcher — had a conversation with him, you know, a lot and talking back and forth and texting back and forth — so I know he’s great and one of the best pitchers in the league and I have a lot of respect for him, but I just try to go out and do my thing.”

There seems to be an on-going debate about whether Sabathia himself is a “true ace,” but there’s little doubt he’s the pitcher the Yankees want to have on the mound for tonight’s absolute must-win Game 4. Debate all you want whether he should have started last night on short rest — honestly, would it have made any difference behind such a lifeless offense? — but there is at least some hope with the big man on the mound tonight.

“We obviously always look forward to seeing him,” Joe Girardi said. “We know the competitor he is and how he will grind out a game. He’s never going to get too caught up with what happened the pitch before or the play before, and he has outstanding stuff and he knows how to win.”

Winning is all that matters tonight, but there’s only so much Sabathia can do. This team still needs to hit, and tonight it has to hit against hard-throwing Max Scherzer. They have to give Sabathia something to work with.

“I always want to go out and try to shut the other team down and give us as many opportunities to score,” Sabathia said. “As cold as we are (offensively), we can get just as hot, especially with our lineup and the veterans we have and great players we have. We always had a faith that if you go out there and do your job, you are going to score runs, and we have all year, really.”

Win tonight, and the Yankees get to pitch Andy Pettitte in Game 5. Win that game, and it’s Hiroki Kuroda at home in Game 6. Win that game, and it’s Sabathia on short rest in Game 7. Pitching is the only thing the Yankees have going for them right now, and tonight they’re going with their very best to try to keep this series alive.

“I am definitely looking forward to getting a chance to pitch in this series,” Sabathia said. “You know, I felt pretty good the last two or three times out and felt good in the bullpen, so I just look to continue to build off of that, make sure I have my command down, the fastball command, and really work off that. But I always say, whether good or bad, I always put the last one behind me. I’m ready.”

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378 Responses to “Just the man for the job”

  1. JobaTipsHisCap October 17th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    they should lose so CC can save his arm.

  2. yankeefeminista October 17th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Shame, we need a :pray: emoticon. As for Nunez, yeah, he has a really good bat, which we should have been making more use of to compensate for our lack of bat speed. Nunie should have played as soon as Jeet went out if not sooner.

    KLong hasn’t had the bats make any adjustments in two years; why would he be able to have them do so from game to game? The Teix quote says it all. See 2011 ALDS.

    As for Alex, the timing of the flirting debacle is curious to say the least. Couldn’t agree more, Pruf. Demonize Alex and ignore the real problem. We can’t hit in meaningful games because we have not replaced the bats. Scary that the Yanks overlooked this important fact. So damn obvious that we needed to infuse the offense with some bona fide hitters.

    In any event, let’s hope C. can put the team on his back again tonight, and that Andy gets a start.

    Great news about Hughes!

  3. Tyler October 17th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Hassey-

    I was just kidding but I know A-Rod got married young…. that’s why he has to use game time to catch up! He dug himself a hole.

  4. fantasygame101 October 17th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    bat arod second and gardner ninth. Arod place is second going forward. That is the only place he can be prodctive with walks and singles. They should not worry to hurt swisher feelings bec. the more he is mad, the more likely he will not accept the offer salary therefore draft picks. Besides with a big park, you need speed in the of.

  5. blake October 17th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    @Joelsherman1: Person briefed on siutation says Hughes cleared by doctors to throw today, be available in pen tomorrow (cont) #Yankees

    @Joelsherman1: Was described as mild tightness of back for Hughes. Rothschild saw stretching between innings in tunnel, which set off alarms #Yankees

  6. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Surely can’t be entertaining the notion of doing what only 1 other team has done.

    That would take an epic fail on Detroit’s part.

  7. Tyler October 17th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    I haven’t even seen Kevin Long talking to the hitters much recently. Maybe the camera just isn’t on them when it happens but everybody just seems kind of shocked at this point. I’ve seen very little interaction during the game.

  8. Bret The Hitman October 17th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Donny I don’t really need to check back over the this thread because I know what I said. I’m not singling out Long as the lone culprit here. I’m saying he definitely should not survive the off season and that many of the other culprits are pretty much barnacles. We are stuck with them, except Swisher and Granderson.

    Here’s what I said, maybe you missed it.

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201…..nt-2475466

  9. mick October 17th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    I was just kidding but I know A-Rod got married young…. that’s why he has to use game time to catch up! He dug himself a hole.
    ======================
    Then maybe he should be called A-Hole from here on out?

  10. RMS October 17th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    One was a photo op, its just art, why is that bad?- Only Alex would pose like that.

    Two is… a normal thing athletic people do in a park-Then don’t complain when it’s all over the news.

    Third is… something every professional athlete does constantly.-Really? I don’t believe that statement. And since Alex did it, then don’t be so lame to get caught.

    And have you seen Jeter doing any of the above? No.

  11. DONNYBROOK October 17th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Just Where is this Debate raging about whether CC is a “true Ace”? Fabrication is Not necessary to spur this Blog.

  12. blake October 17th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Of course CC is the right guy for the job….but unless they can get Scherzer out of the game and score some runs CC will have to throw a shutout to extend the series……

  13. bruceb October 17th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    JobaTipsHisCap October 17th, 2012 at 11:54 am
    they should lose so CC can save his arm.

    Defeatist attitude, but I was thinking exactly the same. Can’t we call up Ivan Nova and save CC for 2013?

  14. Bret The Hitman October 17th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Donny here’s what I said about Kevin Long and the state of the offense moving forward. I want EVERYONE held accountable when it’s possible to hold them accountable. It’s NOT possible to hold Alex accountable. The only thing you can do is bench him, humiliate him and have hitters pinch hit for him in big spots. They’re doing that already so I’m content there.

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201.....nt-2475466

  15. JobaTipsHisCap October 17th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    how come people begin to dream about 2004 version?
    2004 sux had fight in their hearts; 2012 yanks? none.

  16. mick October 17th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    It’s not ok for the sux to eat chicken and beer but alex can flip his balls to chicks?
    It’s all about timing.
    Nobody cares what they do all season long, but not in the playoffs when your Capt just went down.
    Get a clue people.

    Oh yeah….Hi Mom.

  17. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    4 options for the OS :

    Do nothing

    Do a little tweaking

    Do a retool

    Blow it up and start over

    Which do you think the Yankees will do ?

    I’m hoping for the 3rd or 4th choices.

    Most likely we’ll get the 2nd.

    :(

  18. blake October 17th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    The Yankees could win 4 straight against Detroit….honestly they aren’t that good….but their offense will have to do a complete 180 and that seems unlikely…..

  19. Tyler October 17th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    mick October 17th, 2012 at 11:57 am
    I was just kidding but I know A-Rod got married young…. that’s why he has to use game time to catch up! He dug himself a hole.
    ======================
    Then maybe he should be called A-Hole from here on out?
    ————————————————-

    You can call him whatever you want. If it’s true, it’s terrible timing considering the spotlight he’s under and how he’s struggled. But athletes look up into the stands all the time and talk amongst themselves on the bench about girls in the stands. We even did it in college. It’s just that A-Rod (naturally) picked a horrible moment to do it.

  20. Patrick October 17th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    repost:

    I think there’s too much scorched earth at this point for him to come back here – kind of like Jeff Weaver after 2003.

    –—

    Eh I don’t think that’s true at all. A-rod has been through a lot worse controversies with this team and he’s always bounced back (to some degree). He was having a reasonable season before he got hurt, I think he can come back next year and hit maybe .275/.365/.480 or better. Not great but not terrible.

    Again, I do hope that the Yankees get rid of him because his contract is just so hampering to the team and any attempt at a budget. I don’t think it’s going to happen though, nobody is going to take him

  21. jacksquat October 17th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Have to disagree JF, there are plenty of reporters looking for dirt. And if any of them are too close to the players and not brave enough to print something with their name on it, they will dish it off to someone else at their paper. We here about all the DWI’s, the domestic violence, the cheating, the drug use, the gambling, the financial disasters, etc. This isn’t the 50′s or 60′s when a lot of that stuff was hushed. Arod isn’t being singled out.

  22. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Blake-

    there is almost a zero chance of the Yankees doing that.

    The way they are going they’ll be lucky to win 1.

    Surely you jest Man.

    ;)

  23. Irreverent Discourse October 17th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    MTU – “Surely can’t be entertaining the notion of doing what only 1 other team has done.”

    And why not?

    Are you a Yankee fan or not?

    Root for your team. Let them worry about losing.

  24. Jerkface October 17th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    One was a photo op, its just art, why is that bad?- Only Alex would pose like that.

    Two is… a normal thing athletic people do in a park-Then don’t complain when it’s all over the news.

    Third is… something every professional athlete does constantly.-Really? I don’t believe that statement. And since Alex did it, then don’t be so lame to get caught.

    So you know what every athlete would do? Yu Darvish would pose nude in a magazine, he may kiss a mirror.

    Two, who is complaining about it? It seems to be you. So your argument of ‘don’t complain’ seem weird here. What is wrong with Alex not wearing a shirt in an outside setting where its appropriate?

    Third, oh my sweet, summer child, what do know of road beef? Posada and his wife have an open relationship, which Posada’s wife says is because she understands the reality of a baseballer. It is hyperbole to say everyone does it, but the majority is not hyperbole.

  25. blake October 17th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    MtU.

    Probably a little tweaking…..

    My guess is they let Swisher go and bring back Ichiro then sign a RH old guy to share the DH with Ibanez .

    Obviously I really hope this isn’t what happens….but I have no reason to believe otherwise at this point

  26. Shame Spencer October 17th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    “And have you seen Jeter doing any of the above? No.”

    Jeter’s never been married… and the reporters know he’ll really pull back if they do print any of his indiscretions. That’s a lot of how it works – if the writers like you, they keep it to themselves. I got to meet with a lot of local sports casters years ago, Bruce Beck, Ian Eagle, Matt Loughlin, etc, and they told us the same thing and some real funny stories about guys that they liked and would never report on (Andy Pettite, Brian Leetch, Jason Giambi).

  27. Jerkface October 17th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Have to disagree JF, there are plenty of reporters looking for dirt.

    And Jeter got dinged for his gift baskets. No one reports about the ball thing because its small fries. It happens all the time and it isn’t news.

  28. Hassey October 17th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Verlander’s last two earned runs in the playoffs, 17 innings apart, are both two unpredictable solo shots by speedsters

  29. jacksquat October 17th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    *hear

  30. blake October 17th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    there is almost a zero chance of the Yankees doing that.”

    It’s highly unlikely but this Detroit team Ian that good…..it’s possible….unlikely but possible….gotta win tonight first

  31. Tyler October 17th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    blake-

    The winner of the Giants-Cards is going to be the big favorite in the World Series in my opinion. The Tigers haven’t looked that good (not to sound like a sore loser) and their bullpen is a mess. Both NL teams are hot and can punish guys like Fister and Sanchez who hang pitches all game long.

  32. Hassey October 17th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Eric Hipple to throw out the first pitch tonite

  33. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    ID-

    Because even w my optimism I try to blend in a little reality once in a while.

    No one is trying to take away your hope. It springs in eternal.

    Knock yourself out.

    And P.S. Nobody around here but you would question my fandom.

    ;)

  34. Irreverent Discourse October 17th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    It starts with not giving up before the game is over.

    There is no prize for declaring them dead first. It’s like a race to the bottom around here.

  35. DONNYBROOK October 17th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    The Detroit D is suspect. Problem is, Girardi aint got a clue how to ratchet up the pressure.

  36. Shame Spencer October 17th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    DUIs and domestic violence incidents are reported a lot more frequently because there’s a police record… that’s public. Not reporting it would be ridiculous. That being said, even beating your wife won’t get you as much venom as anything Arod does.

    So… ya know.. keep on keepin’ on women beaters. As long as Arod’s in MLB you’ll be fine!

  37. CompassRosy October 17th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    Hi YF ~

    Looks like the Scorpions and the Javelinas don’t meet again until Tuesday. Hope some of our pitchers are matched up.

    The M’s “other Z” (who happens to be a C) is off to a nice start with the org….
    http://tinyurl.com/cf63c4y

  38. Irreverent Discourse October 17th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    MTU – They were your words not mine. You sound like a Mets fan today :)

  39. Tyler October 17th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Shame Spencer October 17th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
    “And have you seen Jeter doing any of the above? No.”

    Jeter’s never been married… and the reporters know he’ll really pull back if they do print any of his indiscretions. That’s a lot of how it works – if the writers like you, they keep it to themselves. I got to meet with a lot of local sports casters years ago, Bruce Beck, Ian Eagle, Matt Loughlin, etc, and they told us the same thing and some real funny stories about guys that they liked and would never report on (Andy Pettite, Brian Leetch, Jason Giambi).
    ————————————————————

    Not surprised by Giambi but Pettite is a bit of a surprise. But as an athlete (and a good one at that) in NYC, it’s pretty darn tough to be squeaky clean.

  40. RMS October 17th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    So you know what every athlete would do? Yu Darvish would pose nude in a magazine, he may kiss a mirror.-Where did I say that?

    Two, who is complaining about it? It seems to be you. So your argument of ‘don’t complain’ seem weird here. What is wrong with Alex not wearing a shirt in an outside setting where its appropriate?-In NYC it will make the papers, is all I was saying.

    Third, oh my sweet, summer child, what do know of road beef? Posada and his wife have an open relationship, which Posada’s wife says is because she understands the reality of a baseballer. It is hyperbole to say everyone does it, but the majority is not hyperbole.-My point is not everyone does it,

  41. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    ID-

    If they do it I’ll buy you a six pack of your favorite beer.

    How’s that ?

    :)

  42. Irreverent Discourse October 17th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    “having stories” about Pettitte don’t necessarily mean they are bad or he was doing something wrong either. Another reason they probably were not reported is that they were in terms of the media… not scandalous enough.

  43. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    Actually the more I think about it anything the Sux can do the Yankees can do better.

    So yeah.

    Why not ?

    :)

  44. Jerkface October 17th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    So you know what every athlete would do? Yu Darvish would pose nude in a magazine, he may kiss a mirror.-Where did I say that?

    Hm.. right here ‘Only Alex would pose like that.’

  45. jacksquat October 17th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    Jerkface October 17th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
    Have to disagree JF, there are plenty of reporters looking for dirt.

    And Jeter got dinged for his gift baskets. No one reports about the ball thing because its small fries. It happens all the time and it isn’t news.

    At the end of a close postseason game from which you have just been pulled, while Jeter is out there about to finally finish off his ankle? Not exactly the same situation.

    And furthermore, most of this stuff happens off the field, or before the game is played (except maybe bored bullpen guys). Off the field or not while the game is actually being played is one thing, during a game is different. Really, you can’t keep it in your pants for another hour or two when you hit the clubs? Come on…

  46. blake October 17th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    blake-

    The winner of the Giants-Cards is going to be the big favorite in the World Series in my opinion. The Tigers haven’t looked that good (not to sound like a sore loser) and their bullpen is a mess. Both NL teams are hot and can punish guys like Fister and Sanchez who hang pitches all game long.

    I agree

  47. Shame Spencer October 17th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    Can I get some thoughts on the Detroit Tigers’ fandom last night in the 9th? No? Are the Yankees the only MLB team with know-nothing fans?

  48. Jerkface October 17th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    Andy Pettitte got dinged in a double blind item about cheating on his wife didn’t he?

  49. Irreverent Discourse October 17th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    MTU – “anything the Sux can do the Yankees can do better”

    That’s better! We’re even in a bigger hole I guess :p

    You don’t have to bribe me to convince me you’ll root for your team, just do it. :) Don’t get sucked into the negativity. There will be 5 months of off-season… I think we can wait until the season is over to worry about it. :)

  50. jacksquat October 17th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    Shame, please don’t say wife beating, it is sexist. Please say domestic violence, we know that sometimes women beat up on men. ;)

  51. Tackelberry October 17th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    JobaTipsHisCap October 17th, 2012 at 11:59 am
    how come people begin to dream about 2004 version?
    2004 sux had fight in their hearts; 2012 yanks? none.

    ______________________________

    Neither did the 2004 Sox, til the 9th inning of game 4. Tying that game seemed to give them just the lift they needed.

  52. Patrick October 17th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    I don’t care who A-rod hits on (or when) unless it’s my Mom, sister or girlfriend. Enough said

  53. RMS October 17th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Hm.. right here ‘Only Alex would pose like that.’

    ——————————————————————————————————-
    Show me another athlete who is vain enough to kiss himself in the mirror.

  54. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    ID-

    OK. I’m ready for a miracle.

    What they hey.

    :)

  55. DONNYBROOK October 17th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    Get back to The Game, and get off the Politically Correct garbage.

  56. Shame Spencer October 17th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    Pettite like had a whole house or condo for his girlfriend in Westchester and his wife made him go to the Astros when his contract was up because she found out. I genuinely did not believe much of it until he came back and a blind item showed up in page 6 referencing the whole ordeal… it was pretty comical. They’re all the same.. men who make far too much money, have far too many groupies, and far too little accountability. Do you guys also think your politicians don’t cheat on their spouses? Actors? Neighbors?

    The cheating rates for your average Joe’s are pretty darn high… men and women of course!

  57. blake October 17th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    Not talked about but Yanks defense cost them last night too….Chavez played a chopper like a high schooler and Granderson misread the ball by Miggy that Jackson may have ran down…..when you can’t hit that may have decided the game as well

  58. Jerkface October 17th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    And furthermore, most of this stuff happens off the field, or before the game is played (except maybe bored bullpen guys). Off the field or not while the game is actually being played is one thing, during a game is different. Really, you can’t keep it in your pants for another hour or two when you hit the clubs? Come on…

    Eh, depending on the stadium you have guys talking from the dugout a lot. In old Miami stadium the home plate seats were literally right next to the dug out. You don’t think guys are going to hit on hot women? Or even talk to people? Jeter was chatting up 2 hotties in the on deck circle at Yankee stadium one time. Scott Kazmir once threw a bag of sun flower seeds at me in Tampa. Players throw balls from the dug out for various reasons quite often. How are you to know which have phone #’s and which don’t? The cracks in this argument are already formed when you have to allow for ‘bored bullpen guys’, shouldn’t they be into the game all the time? What is the difference between a bored a-rod who no longer has any effect on the game & a bullpen guy who may actually have to pitch? What is the difference at all? It is bad timing, but only from a publicity point of view because the media & most of its consumers are dumb.

  59. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    edit: what the hey. sorry.

  60. JobaTipsHisCap October 17th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    Neither did the 2004 Sox, til the 9th inning of game 4. Tying that game seemed to give them just the lift they needed.

    hmm, sux did score a bunch in first 3 games

  61. blake October 17th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    “Patrick says:
    October 17, 2012 at 12:12 pm
    I don’t care who A-rod hits on (or when) unless it’s my Mom, sister or girlfriend. Enough said

    If they are right handed you don’t have to worry

  62. Jerkface October 17th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    Show me another athlete who is vain enough to kiss himself in the mirror.

    Ok. http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/players.....lb_players

  63. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    Think maybe A-Rod needs to be a bit more discreet ?

    He isn’t a French Politician after all.

    :)

  64. Shame Spencer October 17th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    Jerkface October 17th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    Andy Pettitte got dinged in a double blind item about cheating on his wife didn’t he?

    ————————

    Hehehehe yeah.. but at least it stayed blind!! The reporters like Andy. No one’s gonna blow the whistle on that. They just rewrote the script and convinced everyone the Yankees didn’t want their south paw, home grown pitcher back because Jared Wright was a much better option. Obviously.

  65. blake October 17th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    If CC came out with Ketchup in his sock tonight that would at least take my mind off the futility

  66. Tyler October 17th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Scott Kazmir once threw a bag of sun flower seeds at me in Tampa.
    ———————————————————-

    Jf- What’s the story behind this, lol?

  67. jacksquat October 17th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    Getting a little off topic. The issue was really that Arod did something in the dugout during a close postseason game. Not off the field. Not before the game. Not during a blowout. Not during a regular game. Other stuff was only bought up (by me) relative to stuff getting reported.

  68. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    “If they are right handed you don’t have to worry”

    Cute Blake.

    Save me some sippin’ whiskey.

    Might need it before too long.

    ;)

  69. Nick in SF October 17th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Scott Kazmir hit on Jerkface and then wet the bed in 2009 ALCS Game 4? I think we’re breaking news here today.

  70. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Blake-

    High socks would do it.

    ;)

  71. yankeefeminista October 17th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Tactic worked: we are moralizing about Alex rather than talking about our putrid hitting, and how the Yankees dropped “the ball” even more so than Alex did. (in a manner of speaking).

    Hi Rosy, as per our discussion, they’re now actually listing the starters. Although so many pitchers pitch, that starting means getting @2 innings. Here’re today’s probables: http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/.....38;lid=119

  72. Tackelberry October 17th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    JobaTipsHisCap October 17th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
    Neither did the 2004 Sox, til the 9th inning of game 4. Tying that game seemed to give them just the lift they needed.

    hmm, sux did score a bunch in first 3 games

    ___________________________

    Games had similar pattern though. Game 1 yanks had big lead and Sox rallied late but feel short (like Yanks in game 1)

    Game 2 yanks won 3-1 as they outpitched Sox (like yanks in game 2

    Game 3 was a blowout and Sox were totally deflated (like yanks in game 3)

  73. RMS October 17th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    People cheat.
    People steal.
    People kill.
    It’s the norm. No morals, no respect. It’s okay because lots of people do it.

  74. Bronx Jeers October 17th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    I once threw Dave Winfield a bag of peanuts. He ate em during a pitching change.

    It’s not just what ARod did but the when and the where. Also there’s the little fact that he’s been horrid at the plate.

    I’ve always been a fan of ARod but somehow this doesn’t sit right with me.

  75. Jerkface October 17th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Jf- What’s the story behind this, lol?

    My friend and I, who are big Scott Kazmir fans and coined his nickname of Pizza Man and even got him to sign stuff with it, were mercilessly reverse heckling him (by yelling at all his teammates about how unscott kazmir like they were). Eventually he threw an entire bag of sunflower seeds at us.

    And if you don’t believe that nickname its on his wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Kazmir (I may or may not have added it)

  76. jacksquat October 17th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    blake October 17th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
    “Patrick says:
    October 17, 2012 at 12:12 pm
    I don’t care who A-rod hits on (or when) unless it’s my Mom, sister or girlfriend. Enough said

    If they are right handed you don’t have to worry

    —-

    Zing!

  77. austinmac October 17th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    The Yankees need to either find Nunez a place to play or trade him. He has too many tools to play AAA or play shortstop once every ten days. Nunez is 25, I believe, and it is too late for further seasoning.

    At this point, he may be the only youngish infusion of talent they have. Perhaps, they will try Adams at third, but he projects, at best, as an average player.

  78. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    I think A-rod should just go back to Kate Hudson.

    He seemed to do better then.

    ;)

  79. Irreverent Discourse October 17th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    MTU – Maybe he needs to get laid and he will hit… worth a shot. He was trying to save the season by giving those girls his number! What a team player!

    lol… :(

  80. RMS October 17th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    CC will pitch a great game tonight. Maybe a shutout. But the bats need to wake up. I would start Alex and sit Swisher.

  81. The Genius Maker October 17th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    “That one that hung to Delmon Young was just a spinner that broke back over the plate. That, along with the walk, things just weren’t going well.” Hughes
    ******

    Do these guys think we don’t watch the game? it was not a spinner, it was a pitch that was supposed to be outside and he released it inside and all he had to do was drop the head on it. It is the same BS with Girardi saying he didn;t want them to bring in benoit to face ARod? Well you could pinch hit Swisher for ARod if you chose to, but Coke is deadly on lefties and terrible on righties. What Girardi should have done is what i wrote in my blog and that was pinch hit for Ichiro with ARod and force Coke out of the game or leave him in and get teh matchup you want.

    http://www.stevewigdor.blogspot.com/

  82. Tyler October 17th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    Jerkface October 17th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
    Jf- What’s the story behind this, lol?

    My friend and I, who are big Scott Kazmir fans and coined his nickname of Pizza Man and even got him to sign stuff with it, were mercilessly reverse heckling him (by yelling at all his teammates about how unscott kazmir like they were). Eventually he threw an entire bag of sunflower seeds at us.

    And if you don’t believe that nickname its on his wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Kazmir (I may or may not have added it)
    ——————————————————-

    Ha, that’s pretty funny. At first I thought this tied into Scott Kazmir hitting on you which was a bit confusing…

  83. Jerkface October 17th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    It’s not just what ARod did but the when and the where. Also there’s the little fact that he’s been horrid at the plate.

    Yea but why not focus on the latter? The former is inconsequential. No matter how much A-rod cares or wants to perform, it is pointless once he is removed from the game. He can’t do anything. Should he sit solemnly & watch his teammates fail? This is the same kind of thing with getting on players for talking to the other team, smiling during losses, etc. Fans want the players to share their agony, despite the fact that the players are the ones actually failing and let them deal with it as they must.

  84. Tyler October 17th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    What this thread really needs is a picture of the girls he was hitting on…. then I’ll be able to make a proper judgement of this situation.

  85. The Genius Maker October 17th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Also, what is the BS from Tex that he won’t bunt, hasn’t practiced it and it is a desperate move??? Unless his OPS is over 1.000 when they give you the entire line you need to lay down a bunt for an easy single??? why wouldn’t you? I can see not hitting the other way as it might mess up your swing, but bunting does not mess up your swing and it is an easy hit. when he is getting on base every time, then he can see he won’t try the bunt, otherwise do what is best for the team you idiot

  86. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    He’s been a mixed bag depending on which Starlet.

    He needs to find the right one before next season.

    Perhaps Jeter could advise. Or Swisher.

    I will say the guy is definitely flamboyant.

    :)

  87. Shame Spencer October 17th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    RMS October 17th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    People cheat.
    People steal.
    People kill.
    It’s the norm. No morals, no respect. It’s okay because lots of people do it.

    —————-

    This isn’t the argument being presented… the argument JF is making is that it is the norm for players to act like frat boys most of the time (I’m shocked this is shocking, you guys are males aren’t you?? Maybe if you made a ton of money and had a built in pool of girls ready to drop panties for you on the spot you’d be more inclined to understand?) and it ISN’T reported. The fact that this has been a hot button issue is what’s interesting, not what Arod actually did.

  88. blake October 17th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Tyler says:
    October 17, 2012 at 12:25 pm
    What this thread really needs is a picture of the girls he was hitting on…. then I’ll be able to make a proper judgement of this situation.

    Shame spencer has neither confirmed nor denied that she was involved

  89. pat October 17th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Derek surrounds himself with people who protect him and his image. There are Internet photos of Derek that would have been front page NY Post if the were of Alex.

  90. Tyler October 17th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    blake October 17th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
    Tyler says:
    October 17, 2012 at 12:25 pm
    What this thread really needs is a picture of the girls he was hitting on…. then I’ll be able to make a proper judgement of this situation.

    Shame spencer has neither confirmed nor denied that she was involved
    ———————————————————

    Should I take this potential lead to the Daily News?

  91. yankfan1 October 17th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    but can he hit? 3B seems like a good spot for him. hey, Miggy could do it, and its not like we’ve had any production from Chavez and Arod

  92. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    Blake-

    BS.

    Shame loves me. Just ask her.

    Pick someone else for A-rod.

  93. bruceb October 17th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    They’re all the same.. men who make far too much money, have far too many groupies, and far too little accountability.

    This is so true, Shame, and with it comes a sense of entitlement. Alex Rodriguez had a beautiful wife and a beautiful child. Was he satisfied? Oh no. He wanted the latest model off the showroom floor and he could afford it, so why not? Madonna, Kate Hudson, Cameron Diaz and now Torrie Wilson. He grew tired of all of them, just as we’ve grown tired of him.

    They say all power corrupts. So does money. Alex Rodriguez, and to a lesser extent perhaps, Brian Cashman, are good examples of that.

  94. DONNYBROOK October 17th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    - GENIUS -
    Ichiro is 5-12 lifetime vs Coke, so I would let him bat. I also like his speed, should he get on. I know your point is getting Coke outta the game, but sacrificing a matchup where the stick is 5-12 just aint worth it.

  95. Ys Guy October 17th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    listening to sweeney murti on the fan it’s hard to believe the he covers and travels with the yankees and has for several years. the guy has no insight into anyone’s thinking, no original observations about what’s going on and he apparently in all that time of covering them has not developed any relationships with any of the players or coaches that give the listeners anything they don’t get from the postgame podium.

    if someone revealed that the fan was pulling a fraud because they were too cheap to send a guy to cover the team and instead sweeney was just sitting on hudson street watching games on tv and pretending to cover the team i’d believe it completely.

    what a collosal waste of access…

  96. Shame Spencer October 17th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    austinmac October 17th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    The Yankees need to either find Nunez a place to play or trade him. He has too many tools to play AAA or play shortstop once every ten days. Nunez is 25, I believe, and it is too late for further seasoning.

    At this point, he may be the only youngish infusion of talent they have. Perhaps, they will try Adams at third, but he projects, at best, as an average player.

    —————–

    Maybe Nunez should be tried at 3B?

    blake – I can certainly confirm OFers and bullpen guys are more than happy to ignore things like the game if you push your tits up to your chin. I don’t have any statistical back up, but I’ve performed enough practical tests to think there’s some correlation there.

    If by the grace of god I one day find myself the sugar daddy of my dreams, I might be able to sway a ball from a guy in the dugout.

    Whoever I entice will have to get over me only calling them ‘Tino’, however.

  97. blake October 17th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    “There are Internet photos of Derek that would have been front page NY Post if the were of Alex.”

    Photos taken during a playoff game?

  98. jacksquat October 17th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Saw the picture of the alleged girl(s). One was somewhat attractive and she was next to a woman that could have been her mother. Madonna not withstanding, let’s assume it was the younger one. Nothing to write home about, but then several of his girlfriends haven’t been all that attractive to me (Kate Hudson of course being an exception). I’ve date women better looking than some of the women Arod is seen with, and I don’t have 200 mil in the bank.

  99. Tyler October 17th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Oh no. He wanted the latest model off the showroom floor and he could afford it, so why not? Madonna,
    ——————————————

    Ehhh……….

  100. Chip October 17th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Patrick October 17th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    I think there’s too much scorched earth at this point for him to come back here – kind of like Jeff Weaver after 2003.

    Eh I don’t think that’s true at all. A-rod has been through a lot worse controversies with this team and he’s always bounced back (to some degree). He was having a reasonable season before he got hurt, I think he can come back next year and hit maybe .275/.365/.480 or better. Not great but not terrible.

    Again, I do hope that the Yankees get rid of him because his contract is just so hampering to the team and any attempt at a budget. I don’t think it’s going to happen though, nobody is going to take him
    —————-

    Oh I totally disagree on this. The closest he ever came to something like this was Torre batting him in the 8 spot for one game. He’s never been benched or lifted from a game due to ineffectiveness. He’s never had a manager tell him, “I have more faith in Raul Ibanez and Eric Chavez than I do in you”

    Again, I don’t think he’ll be traded for the reason you point out – no one is going to take him. But if his only motivation to keep coming back is to be the all time HR leader and the Yankees are going to relegate him to a platoon DH role going forward, then that no longer is a realistic goal for him. So does he walk away rather than accept an Andruw Jones role with the Yankees?

  101. yankeefeminista October 17th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    “and it ISN’T reported. The fact that this has been a hot button issue is what’s interesting, not what Arod actually did.”

    Yep, the timing is what is interesting. And the media, fed by whom(?) chose to focus on it. We know stuff like this goes on all the time, but why haven’t we heard about it until Alex is benched? Who dictates what the media writes about the Yankees? How much influence do the Yanks have on what the media writes? The media sure didn’t focus on Cash and Meanwell (or whatever her name is); was there even one vilification column about how Cash was irresponsible, etc? Not sure, but the media definitely likes Cash; he’s pretty forthcoming with them/talks to them. Alex story… Just curious timing.

  102. blake October 17th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    “blake – I can certainly confirm OFers and bullpen guys are more than happy to ignore things like the game if you push your tits up to your chin. I don’t have any statistical back up, but I’ve performed enough practical tests to think there’s some correlation there.”

    Lol

  103. Bronx Jeers October 17th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Yea but why not focus on the latter? The former is inconsequential

    ————

    Did Scott Kazimir toss you those seeds after getting shelled in a LCS game?

  104. Patrick October 17th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    jacksquat,

    A-rod’s current girlfriend is pretty good looking

  105. Hassey October 17th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Shame’s the one who started that bullpen riot in Fenway 2003 ALCS game 3

    I’d love to see her (real) picture

  106. Jerkface October 17th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Did Scott Kazimir toss you those seeds after getting shelled in a LCS game?

    No, but would it matter? He already got shelled, must he self flagellate to please you?

  107. RMS October 17th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    When you are as well known and super rich as Alex is, you are going to get the attention, good or bad. And if Alex doesn’t know that then he is not too bright or doesn’t give a damn.

  108. blake October 17th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    “A-rod’s current girlfriend is pretty good looking”

    Wonder if she has benched him as well…..

  109. Patrick October 17th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    Wonder if she has benched him as well…..

    Probably

  110. Tyler October 17th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    jacksquat October 17th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
    Saw the picture of the alleged girl(s). One was somewhat attractive and she was next to a woman that could have been her mother. Madonna not withstanding, let’s assume it was the younger one. Nothing to write home about, but then several of his girlfriends haven’t been all that attractive to me (Kate Hudson of course being an exception). I’ve date women better looking than some of the women Arod is seen with, and I don’t have 200 mil in the bank.
    ——————————————————-

    This is a weird convo to be having on a baseball blog, lol, but I think A-Rod has a bit of a strange taste in women. He really only dates blondes but for the most part he seems to miss his girlfriend’s prime looks wise by a couple years (in Madonna’s case there was no prime).

  111. pat October 17th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    Photos taken during a playoff game?

    I was talking about the shirtless CP photo.

    What photo of Alex during a playoff game are you referring to?

  112. Jerkface October 17th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    A-rod dates incredibly fit & muscular women. He has a definite type.

  113. RadioKev October 17th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    Chad, your comment from last post was spot on.

    “Want to try to feel good about what’s facing the Yankees? They have CC Sabathia pitching tonight. Then Andy Pettitte in Game 5. Then Hiroki Kuroda at home for Game 6. Then Sabathia on short rest for Game 7. Pitching is the only reason the Yankees are still alive, and having those guys lined up gives the Yankees a fighting chance.”

    It really does feel like hope is lost. But then again, if CC wins this one for us we’ve got two more great starters behind him. It’s not over til it’s over.

  114. Tyler October 17th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    I’ve never been a wrestling fan but I have a few friends who are…. I remember A-Rod’s current gf from the couple of times I watched the WWE. She’s not ugly now by any means but if he was dating her about 5 years ago, I’d give him much more props.

  115. jacksquat October 17th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Patrick October 17th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
    jacksquat,

    A-rod’s current girlfriend is pretty good looking

    I don’t think so, especially my personal taste (don’t like blondes or “buff” girls).

  116. Tyler October 17th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Jerkface October 17th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
    A-rod dates incredibly fit & muscular women. He has a definite type.
    ———————————————

    Absolutely. Still doesn’t excuse that whole Madonna thing.

  117. Patrick October 17th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    I thought A-rod’s wife was the best looking woman he was ever with

  118. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    A-Rod should head over to the nearest Gold’s gym to hang out.

    He’ll find them there in abundance.

    ;)

  119. Hassey October 17th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    That Canseco/Madonna wife cheating scandal seems like yesterday. Anyone here ever meet or know that Yankee fan who Canseco almost attacked from the OYS visitors’ on-deck circle?

  120. Nick in SF October 17th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    I like the “we’re only talking about this because the evil Yankee puppetmasters are pulling our strings to distract us from their failures” theory. It’s fun.

  121. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    He should wear the scarf, try to look sensitive, and be prepared to be outlifted though.

    ;)

  122. Shame Spencer October 17th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    MTU – That’s right!! You defend our love MTU, don’t let blake put thoughts in your head about my infidelity…

  123. JobaTipsHisCap October 17th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    lol, Arod is absolutely hopeless, more embarrassment on him please

  124. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    Shame-

    I’m relieved.

    I keep trying to tell him that you, Doreen, Erin, and Erica all have loved me but he will just not listen.

    I think maybe Trisha and YF like me too but I’m just not sure.

    I’m the Clark Gable of LoHud. He’s just a Dentist.

    :)

  125. pat October 17th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    I’m not buying the full puppermaster angle but something about the “Flirtgate” story isn’t adding up right.

  126. JobaTipsHisCap October 17th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    one embarrassment would be PH for him once he gets the count 3-0

  127. bruceb October 17th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    Maybe A-Rod should start dating the Undertaker because as a baseball superstar, it’s a case of R.I.P.

  128. blake October 17th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    “What photo of Alex during a playoff game are you referring to?”

    None…but the reason we are even talking about this stuff is because of something he reportedly did in a playoff game…..

  129. blake October 17th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    I’m the Clark Gable of LoHud. He’s just a Dentist.”

    Or so you think ;)

  130. blake October 17th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    The “flirt gate” stuff does seem very media driven as we really haven’t wen heard confirmation that its true far as I know….

  131. Hassey October 17th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    yeah – Blake is the dentist from Marathon Man

  132. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    Blake-

    You don’t have the right photos to show.

    Got to be able to show your etchings.

    You’re a loyal Family man type.

    Perhaps there’s a little Walter Mitty in you though.

    That has to be considered.

    :)

  133. Shame Spencer October 17th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    Son be a dentiiiiiiiist (be a dentist!)…. you have a talent for causing things pain (pain!).. son be a dentiiiiist (be a dentist!), people will pay you to be inhumane!!

    Man… now I’ll be singing that all day..

  134. Ys Guy October 17th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    i was soooo against the yankees resigning arod when he opted out and now at the halfway point of the worst contract in sports history is here, it looks worse than i could have imagined .

    in fact in september i was warning that the arod thing was going to turn totally sour by the middle of next year unless he had a monster offseason. even then i never could have imagined how bad things could get so quickly.

    if the yankees can’t get him off the roster this offseason then i expect arod to spend most of next year on the dl probably not really injured.

  135. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    Who needs a dentist ?

    Just a doorknob, a piece of string, and a bottle of whiskey.

    Whoops ! Sorry. I’m off by 50 yrs.

    :(

  136. Bronx Jeers October 17th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    No, but would it matter? He already got shelled, must he self flagellate to please you?

    ————-

    Who’s talking about self flagellation? He was mixing work and play at a very inappropriate time. Regardless of whether he is playing or not, when there is a game underway his focus should be on the field. What exactly is his rationale there? I suck so I might as well bust a nut? He can get that done after the game. This isn’t Kansas you know.
    IMO it’s completely inexcusable.

  137. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    Y’s-

    You potential as an Oracle.

    What do you see for next season ?

    :)

  138. Cashmoney October 17th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUxxTYFf-6E

  139. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    edit: you have

  140. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Jeers-

    Self-flagellation is a Persian thing.

    :)

  141. G. Love October 17th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    You guys are missing the point. No one is saying baseball players are choirboys.

    The problem and the issue to a lot of us is Arod chose to focus on getting himself a date for later that night while in the middle of an ALCS game.

    If Derek Jeter was sending baseballs with phone numbers into the stands during games, we’d know.

    Arod’s not married. He can do what he wants.

    But choosing to do it while in the middle of a game and using a bat boy to help him play his childish little scheme is wrong.

    That said, I do believe that the Yankees have targeted him and Swisher as the scapegoats in order to get them some credit and deflect blame from the front office.

    But in another breath, perhaps they’re right to name scapegoats since the people failing are making buckets of money and are supposed to be good hitters.

    It cuts both ways. I still think the front office covered their eyes and pretended there were no issues with this offense. That chicken has come home to roost in a very large way. It’s embarrassing watching this collection of hitters play right now.

  142. Cashmoney October 17th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    my apology, the above video contains some photographs of blake at work…

  143. Nick in SF October 17th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    If we’re talking about getting shelled and busting nuts, how long does it take for the conversation to turn to Melky? And how long does it take after that to realize that we’re again being manipulated into talking about peanuts instead of the evil elephants in the room?

  144. Shame Spencer October 17th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    MTU October 17th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    Who needs a dentist ?

    Just a doorknob, a piece of string, and a bottle of whiskey.

    ————

    When my brother and I were kids, he had a tooth loose and I suggested we try this.

    My mom caught us before I got to slam the door. I was in some hot water after that… but not nearly as bad as the time I convinced him he was adopted…. or encouraged watched him cut his hair with my crinkle-cut scissors…

  145. Shame Spencer October 17th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Shame Spencer Your comment is awaiting moderation. October 17th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    MTU – This is the first thing that popped up about Clark Gable: “Clark Gable married five times, slept with nearly all of his co-stars, and cheated on everyone. In just about every movie in which he plays the romantic lead, he cajoles, spanks, slaps, or otherwise mistreats the object of his affection. In other words, he’s a b*****d, but he’s one steamy b*****d.”

    I like this guy! Thank god he isn’t playing for the Yankees lol…

    ——————-

    Hey look at that guys… we’re being moderated….

  146. blake October 17th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Cashmoney says:
    October 17, 2012 at 1:06 pm
    my apology, the above video contains some photographs of blake at work…

    I can’t decide whether to be flattered or angry

  147. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    Shame-

    I’m sure you found out that it’s a lot easier to just wait for the Tooth Fairy.

    The other items are a little beyond the pale.

    But hey. Nobody’s perfect. Least of all me.

    :)

  148. Shame Spencer October 17th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    G. Love – But no one is actually defending what he did either. The focus for me is that this is news. In the Yankee world right now, down 3-0 in the ALCS, Arod flirting is NEWS.

    That’s bullsh*t. That’s front office spin and I don’t appreciate it coming from the crew that was all good with this offense from day one.

  149. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    Shame-

    I’m about as close to Clark Gable as the Pope is to a professional motocross rider.

    It doesn’t hurt to dream though.

    P.S. I wouldn’t be mean like Clark either.

    :)

  150. Ys Guy October 17th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    mtu, i did have the nationals winning the nl east this year, too…

    but i also had the marlins beating out the phils and that didnt happen.

    the arod thing always seemed pretty obvious to me.

    while it may seem that it’s a sudden thing with arod if you look at his numbers they have declined across the board for the entire first 5 years of the contract in every category.

    the yankees leading the division most of the year this year covered him up and almost nobody was booing him this year despite the fact that his rbi per game have dropped by half from what they were when he signed the extension. and there is little to no chance of any appreciable sustained bounceback from this steady decline as he turns 38 next season.

    the original contract which would have run out after the 2010 season was actually a reasonable contract but the extention gave him a raise in aav through his late 30′s and into his 40′s.

  151. Cashmoney October 17th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    lol, ladies dig gyrations, blake.

  152. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    Y’s-

    Yeah. Thanks a lot Hank.

    :(

  153. Shame Spencer October 17th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    MTU – I still maintain it wasn’t his worst haircut…

    And I still haven’t heard any opinions on those dreadful Tigers fans who had the gall to boo their team in the 9th inning of a game they were winning!!

  154. willwill October 17th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    I just want to hear from ownership and cashman at the end of this.. that there is going to be big changes and not everyone is safe in the uniform. Except the pitchers

  155. DONNYBROOK October 17th, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    George woulda been all over This team. Hal = MIA

  156. Jerkface October 17th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    It wasn’t in the middle of the alcs though. For all you know it was between innings and we do know it was after he was removed. His focus on the game was no longer necessary but I shouldn’t evn have to say that because its not like humans can’t do more than 1 thing at a time. Literally don’t know why this is so important to some of you.

  157. G. Love October 17th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    The heartbreaking thing outside of Jeter’s injury, is watching this go down while we have a championship level pitching staff.

    That’s on Cashman for believing in some of these marshmallows and thinking the backs of their baseball cards held some truth.

    When the season ends and we compile the list of players he could’ve had for just money and passed on, it will be staggering.

  158. Jerkface October 17th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    Jeers, you clearly want players to behave in a certain wway after being removed. Flagellation maybe not, but why do you care how the players deal with the game? This is like people getting on andurw ot cano for smiling.

  159. jacksquat October 17th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    The front office did not report this news about Arod. In fact, when asked about it, all Cashman said was “this is only because of performance on the field.” (it’s not like he can go down that road anyway)

  160. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 17th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    “And how long does it take after that to realize that we’re again being manipulated…”

    By whom?

  161. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    JF-

    What A-Rod did has been referred to the “Pre-Crime” bureau.

    It will never happen again as a result.

    Of course A-Rod might disappear too.

    :)

  162. Ys Guy October 17th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    if george still owned this team things would be very different…

    yu would have been here, but also jason bay, johan santana, dice k and probably john lackey.

    i say we would have finished just ahead of the red socks.

  163. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 17th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    (Don’t know if this posted because I had two links in it, and it says it’s awaiting moderation.)

    “The “flirt gate” stuff does seem very media driven as we really haven’t wen heard confirmation that its true far as I know….”

    Right because with sports’ most visible team in the universe playing a potential elimination game tonight, the media has nothing better to than make up stories about Arod. Because of course stories of the Yankees’ major ails would NEVER sell newspapers!

    *************

    This about sums about the way I feel about it. I’m in agreement with the crowd that feels that he was totally wrong to be doing what he was doing, at the point in the season in which he was doing it, knowing his team had been having a very tough postseason. Maybe if he watched the game he might have learned something.

    http://www.inquisitr.com/36629…..t-detroit/

  164. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    G.Love-

    Perhaps Cashman should rid himself of the nasty habit of looking at the back of baseball cards.

    He needs a new hobby.

    ;)

  165. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 17th, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    This also refers back to Blake’s post about about not being sure it’s true.

    ***

    And something makes me think that this was more than a photo op to hype their businesses:

    http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypos…..15;300.jpg

  166. djsunyc October 17th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    if this was going to be 2004, then we need a rainout tonight.

  167. Bronx Jeers October 17th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    Well it appears that ARod can’t chase women and hit 85MPH fastballs at the same time.

    You do know that this sort of thing also applies outside the world of the ALCS. If you screw up at work, the boss isn’t going to be very happy if he finds out you’re hitting on the secretary during office hours.

  168. Chip October 17th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    jacksquat October 17th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    The front office did not report this news about Arod. In fact, when asked about it, all Cashman said was “this is only because of performance on the field.” (it’s not like he can go down that road anyway)
    ——————–

    Instead of refuting the report, Cashman and Girardi both issued terse “no comments” that speaks volumes not only to the potential veracity of the report, but also to how tired the organization is of answering questions about Alex’s off the field stuff.

  169. Irreverent Discourse October 17th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    “That’s on Cashman for believing in some of these marshmallows and thinking the backs of their baseball cards held some truth.”

    Is it not also on him for having that championship level pitching staff? The ones actually playing up to their ability?

  170. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    Jeers-

    “You do know that this sort of thing also applies outside the world of the ALCS. If you screw up at work, the boss isn’t going to be very happy if he finds out you’re hitting on the secretary during office hours.”

    Of course. Rank has it’s privledges.

    ;)

  171. Ys Guy October 17th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    wouldn’t shock me at all if the post story was planted by someone doing marketing for the bikini company one of those women apparently owns. if so, great work on his or her part.

    but the lack of denials all the way around lead me to believe that there were witnesses who backed up the story.

    anyway his clownish behavior with women doesnt concern me. his being toast (with 5 years left on his franchise-crippling contract) does.

  172. Patrick October 17th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    You really can’t fault Cashman or Girardi. The pitching staff has done a phenomenal job and during the regular season the team was 2nd in MLB in runs scored. Nobody could have predicted the collapse of the Yankee offense.

  173. luis October 17th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Good afternoon,

    YF,

    You are spot on on the Arod’s fling…This is a diversion tactic…So I am not going to even bother to address it.

    Guys,

    Read several posts about what the Yankees should do in the PS…The problem is that we are several bats short…There isn’t a quick fix, if they choose this route we are in for an even longer downward period…let’s review it:

    1) We need a 3rd baseman since I think Arod should be the full time DH…We probably will need a SS, since I don’t think Jeter will be ready for next season….It took Adams two years to get back and he is 22 not 38, you haven’t think about it, but this injury could mean the end of Jeter’s career…I think Nunez could do a very good job at short if they give him enough reps at the position and let him work his growing pains and jitters.

    2) Swisher is gone….Granderson should be traded…So you need to fill two OF positions…Unless of course they choose the quick fix route, but that would be short sighted. So you need four players…We don’t have them either on the farm or we can’t get them through trades ( we don’t have enough talent or payroll flexibility to bring them in, besides we need to build the core and history tells us that it must be homegrown for sustained success)

    3) Then there is the Cano conumdrum…I would extend him if he is willing to sign for six more years…Anything more it could get dicey….So it could be as much as six players short if you don’t resign Martin, which I think is the way to go, unless he is willing to take a big pay cut.

    As you can see, there are plenty of needs and no players ready in the farm, no payroll flexibility and not enough talent to trade for the players we need.

    This doesn’t mean that we can’t field a competitive team, we can. But we need to start to give chances to the guys we have in triple A ( Adams at third, Nunez at SS and Mustelier/ Dickerson in the OF )…Sign Martin for one year and bring Romine as the BUC…The pitching should be good enough for that kind of offense…And who knows there may be a brooding star in one of them…Also bring Pettitte and Kuroda would be paramount….

  174. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    It pisses me off that the collapse of the Yankee’s O and the Riddle of the Sphinx have to be mentioned in the same breath.

    :(

  175. pat October 17th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    And something makes me think that this was more than a photo op to hype their businesses:

    Maybe. Maybe not. She changed her website yesterday and tweeted for the first time in 4 months this morning so she’s not hating the attention.

  176. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Luis-

    Lo siento mucho.

    :(

  177. joeman October 17th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    done with Cash & Joe..clean the house out, let the FA’s & option guys all go..keep here who you can’t get rid of & who they think are their core players…

  178. Frankg October 17th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    Yea, Jackson, Kennedy and Coke for Granderson. Doesn’t sound like a good deal for the Yankees at this point. Three major league starters for one.

    The offense collapsed last year and was weak this year at times, so this year’s collapse was certianly a distinct possibility.

    Kevin Long is part of the problem.

  179. joeman October 17th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    BTW..they need to do the whole of over…Gardner stinks

  180. DONNYBROOK October 17th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    Guess you better change your handle.

  181. Bronx Jeers October 17th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    Nobody could have predicted the collapse of the Yankee offense.

    ———-

    Not true. It’s been a running theme in here all season. Even longer.

  182. joeman October 17th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    this team couldn’t hit all season with RISP.all they did to score was the HR’S…in the playoffs good pitchers won’t let you hit HR’s at the rate they were hitting them

  183. SoS October 17th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    What is up fellas! Why are we all banging on Alex?
    Haven’t you all heard of Mark Graces famous SLUMP BUSTER? When your in a slump, you find the biggest, meatiest, big boned women and have passionate love making. Next game you are back on track hitting 1000. Alex was taking it for the team.

    Having said that, can we dump him of to the Florida, Miami of the U.S. Marlins? Eat half the salary and they get the hometown kid to sell them some seats. They do have an opening at third base. If you act now! We will send you Kevin Long for free!!

    This really sucks. Best pitching staff I can remember us having for awhile. Our offense got identity thefted.

  184. Patrick October 17th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Not true. It’s been a running theme in here all season. Even longer.

    Nobody that actually follows the game and can look at things objectively would think that the Yankee offense could be this bad.

  185. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 17th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    Arod of all people would have issued unequivocal denials if it weren’t true, IMO. Cashman and Girardi wouldn’t have said “no comment.” Arod’s probably too busy burning up the phone wires with his new score to worry about what anybody thinks.

    I have to laugh at his comment about being one of the leaders of the team. Yeah he’s a team leader okay.

    This from USA today:

    What makes the flirting report rather unseemly is that the Yankees were locked in a tight game during most of Game 1 against the Detroit Tigers and eventually lost 6-4 in 12 innings. It was scoreless game until the seventh inning and the Yankees were down 4-0 until they scored four runs in the bottom of the ninth to forced extra innings.

    I think that is what many of us who are disgusted by his behavior have said.

    For me at least this has nothing to do with the “boys will be boys”, “everybody does it”, or whatever other weak-sister stuff you’re putting out there to excuse his behavior. It’s about the highest-paid athlete in the game, on the most visible team in the world, fiddling while the Yankees burned.

    There’s a saying “There’s a time and place for everything.” That was unequivocally neither the time nor the place.

  186. luis October 17th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    MTU,

    Thank you my friend. :(

  187. Cashmoney October 17th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    many have predicted Yankees offensive woes in the PS, it’s about their style and approache. skill erosion and bat speeds.. but a few fathom a utter collapse like we have witnessed in the ps. many variables are in play here.

  188. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 17th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    “Nobody that actually follows the game and can look at things objectively would think that the Yankee offense could be this bad.”

    Objectively is the operative word in that sentence.

    I agree with you patrick.

  189. G. Love October 17th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    I.D.,

    I’m more than happy to give Cashman credit for the pitching staff, but we lost in the post season last year and the year before because our hitters shriveled up and disappeared once the games counted the most and the pitching got better.

    My issue with the team all season was we needed new bats who could hit off speed pitches and didn’t have the all or nothing approach which is now the Hallmark of this Yankee offense save a few players.

    And frankly, Cashman should’ve realized he had the pitching to get this done before dealing Montero and finding out if that bat could’ve helped this offense or if he could’ve been the piece to trade for a cornerstone bat.

    Cashman’s plan was keep adding pitching and subtracting offense hoping low cost signings like Ibanez and Jones would suffice.

    They did suffice to an extent, but he never really saw how poorly the offense played and made excuses for them relying on pumped up stats compiled against bad teams and their middle relievers.

    If I was grading him for the year I’d give him a C. He gets an A for the pitching staff and finding guys like Rapada and Eppley who helped but he gets an F for the way he basically did nothing other than sub Ibanez for Jorge.

  190. Chip October 17th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    This series isn’t on Cash or Joe. This is on players that aren’t hitting. Now, if the Yankees take the road of least resistance this winter and just bring back this roster mostly intact for 2013 in light of this disaster of a post season – then we’ll have something to gripe about.

    I know Brian doesn’t like using the playoffs as a measuring stick because of the small sample size when compared to the long season, but it is obvious that changes need to be made in the outfield and around the diamond.

  191. blake October 17th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    “It wasn’t in the middle of the alcs though. For all you know it was between innings and we do know it was after he was removed. His focus on the game was no longer necessary but I shouldn’t evn have to say that because its not like humans can’t do more than 1 thing at a time. Literally don’t know why this is so important to some of you.”

    Well if its all true then it doesn’t set a great example for the rest of the team for him to seemingly be checked out if the game mentally like that…..

  192. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    Luis-

    I really thought we had it.

    It’s a sad commentary.

  193. Chip October 17th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    Assuming the team doesn’t rally, I could see Cashman defending a quiet winter by saying “The goal is always a championship and we didn’t get there. But at the same time this team did have the best record in the American League and we can’t discount that either. Players just went into a collective slump at the wrong time. You can’t make rash decisions based on a week or two of games and totally discount what they did over the course of the long season.”

  194. G. Love October 17th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Chip,

    That possible quote will kill them in pre-season ticket sales if it happens and that’s the plan they stick to.

    They’re losing fans and interest as the team that goes into the playoffs and chokes and can’t hit.

  195. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Chip-

    You forgot the injuries part.

    :)

  196. SoS October 17th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    This is like people getting on andurw ot cano for smiling.

    =========

    Theres no smiling in baseball!!. I would get very (what he said) andurw if I saw that. I think its time for us to get that big opera guy to sing god bless america in the 7th inning stretch. It seemed to spark the offense and bring the ghost out. October isnt the same without Ghosts.

  197. DONNYBROOK October 17th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    Do NOT see how Montero’s bat possibilities can be sighted, without mentioning the demotion of Nunez in the same breath. Nunez was Yankee property and 86′d to PalookaVille. And do NOT gimme that “work on his defense” Cashman talking point. PURE MALARKEY

  198. Chip October 17th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    G. Love October 17th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Chip,

    That possible quote will kill them in pre-season ticket sales if it happens and that’s the plan they stick to.

    They’re losing fans and interest as the team that goes into the playoffs and chokes and can’t hit.
    —————-

    As long as luxury boxes still sell they could care less about pre-season ticket sales. They’ll blame those on stub hub like they have during the playoffs.

  199. Chip October 17th, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    MTU October 17th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Chip-

    You forgot the injuries part.
    ————-

    Of course.

  200. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    Wanna hurt somebody who loves money ?

    Take away their gold and hit ‘em in the pocketbook.

    ;)

  201. blake October 17th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    “Nobody that actually follows the game and can look at things objectively would think that the Yankee offense could be this bad.”

    Not this bad maybe…..but many of us have been talking about it for 2 years now and how they needed to add offense to prevent an age related collapse ….

  202. Patrick October 17th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    I think we could see some big moves this offseason. I think Cashman, despite probably saying the opposite in the media, will do everything within his power to dump A-rod. I think he will be looking for an upgrade in the outfield and at catcher. Also don’t forget that Pettitte and Kuroda are not under contract, it will be interesting to see what happens with them and what the team’s plan is for Pineda.

  203. joeman October 17th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    Chip October 17th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
    Assuming the team doesn’t rally, I could see Cashman defending a quiet winter by saying “The goal is always a championship and we didn’t get there. But at the same time this team did have the best record in the American League and we can’t discount that either. Players just went into a collective slump at the wrong time. You can’t make rash decisions based on a week or two of games and totally discount what they did over the course of the long season.”

    ————————————————-
    this team this year & last year was built for the reg season…hitting HR’s at a sick rate..thats not going to happen in the playoffs the starting staffs are to good…

  204. Bronx Jeers October 17th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Nobody that actually follows the game and can look at things objectively would think that the Yankee offense could be this bad.

    ——–

    Of course you’re right but many did predict the offense would fail in the postseason. Maybe not to this degree but failure all the same once they were facing the elite teams.

    What really hurts, beyond the stellar pitching they’re getting, is the fact that no one they faced has really pitched all that great. Good but nothing special. Even Verlander was off last night.

  205. Cashmoney October 17th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    changes are coming… the network will need a sexy name … the team actually could use a few different type of hitters. just my opinion. the current team is very dull to watch, but I am a offense type of fan.

  206. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    I’m a pitching first kinda guy but I do think an O has to show up.

    This OS I’m switching my focus to the O.

    Hope Cashman does too.

    ;)

  207. joeman October 17th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    said it for a while now Kuroda isn’t coming back here…it’s either LA or Home

  208. Patrick October 17th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    Not this bad maybe…..but many of us have been talking about it for 2 years now and how they needed to add offense to prevent an age related collapse ….

    Well I’ve been among those arguing that the offense is getting older / worse. Especially when Montero was traded.

    But the offense is performing more like the Mariners or Astros. Even if you are predicting the offense to get worse over the years, this was the #2 offense in the league this season!

  209. pat October 17th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    Francesa buying into the puppetmaster theory.

  210. Cashmoney October 17th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    jeers, agree.

  211. Yankee Trader October 17th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    Good afternoon.

    Stuck with Alex for at least the next two years. Next year he’s owed 28M plus 6M when he passes Mays 660 homers. The Yankees, besides getting him to waive his NTC would have to eat too much of his contract the next 1-2 years.

    12:$29M, 13:$28M, 14:$25M, 15:$21M, 16:$20M, 17:$20M

    A friend of mine was a ballboy for the Atlanta Hawks, years ago. Part of his duties for the players was to get the phone numbers of women[ there to meet the athletes] in the stands that the players targeted to meet afterwards. Wilt Chamberlain did it.. Magic Johnson did it.

    It will be interesting to see what Alex has to say about the incident and his benching in the offseason.

  212. blake October 17th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    I think we could see more of the same this offseason……

  213. SoS October 17th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    2 points I would like to make.

    If Boston can comeback from a 0-3 deficit why cant we?
    If Boston can dump all their albatross contracts why cant we?

    Can someone of you math magicians give me the percentages of both of these happening in the same year? I.e. 1 in a 1000, 1 in a million. So you say theres a chance!

  214. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    “but I am a offense type of fan.”

    Careful what you say.

    Nobody likes offensive and obnoxious fans.

    :)

  215. joeman October 17th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    blake October 17th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
    I think we could see more of the same this offseason……

    —————————————
    there will be changes made they have to many FA’s to be & option players to deal with

  216. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    YT-

    Then his mistake was not using the ballboy.

    Careless.

    :(

  217. blake October 17th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    “If Boston can comeback from a 0-3 deficit why cant we?”

    Cause the Tigers don’t have Javy vazquez

  218. SoS October 17th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    Wilt Chamberlain did it..

    ===
    Wilt must have invested alot of money on ball boys. And if we judged him in baseball terms, he would be a triple crown winner in that game.

  219. Yankee Trader October 17th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    joeman-

    I second your thoughts on Kuroda. Why would he want to come back. He was the true Ace of this season, but got the least run support of any Yankee starter, almost 1.5 runs/game less than CC. He could easily have won 20 games with support.

  220. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    SoS-

    It’s not calcuable.

    Not even w a Supercomputer.

    ;)

  221. Chip October 17th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    SoS October 17th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    2 points I would like to make.

    If Boston can comeback from a 0-3 deficit why cant we? that Boston team was a lot better than this Yankee team
    If Boston can dump all their albatross contracts why cant we?Because there are only so many teams that can accept albatross contracts and even fewer that will. The Red Sox found an ownership group that was desperate to make a splash, had a ton of money to spend and no compunction about spending it. There aren’t many of those

  222. UnKnown October 17th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    “But blaming the strike zone/umpiring at this stage in the game is just a weak sauce excuse. That’s true in every sport. You’re going to have bad calls go against you.. and good teams overcome it. Championship caliber teams over come it.”

    ——————————

    Championship Teams Over Come It. Thank You.

    Do people really think all of the calls in 2009 post-season were absolutely correct or was it that every call that was wrong went FOR the Yankees that makes it acceptable. Can’t have it both ways you spoiled brats.

    I’m not going to give this nonsense a voice anymore. Whoever wants to run with the umpire conspiracy against the Yankees can go right ahead. sniffle sniffle/ pout pout/ cry babies

    For the most part 99% of people with common sense know this is laughable and the other 1% can go pound sand.

    I hate to play spoiler but there is going to be umpires in tonight’s game so do yourself a favor and don’t watch. And guess what there is even going to be a few pitches called strikes outside of that stupid TBS K-Zone box. Which is completely inaccurate anyways, but don’t let that get in the way of your idiotic tirades.

    Again the Yankees are facing elimination for the next 4 games and I’m not wasting my time talking about something that has been around since the game of baseball was invented. Go ahead and keep crying about it hoping it will change. It’s never going to change

    So in closing it’s a YOU problem not a BLUE problem. Do everyone a favor and “Take it to the Car”

  223. joeman October 17th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    Yankee Trader October 17th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
    joeman-

    I second your thoughts on Kuroda. Why would he want to come back. He was the true Ace of this season, but got the least run support of any Yankee starter, almost 1.5 runs/game less than CC. He could easily have won 20 games with support.

    ————————————–
    last two starts sealed the deal for him to leave he will be to rich for the Yankees in term of years and $$$$

  224. blake October 17th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    I think they’ll let Swisher go…..bring back Ichiro….try to bring back Andy and Kuroda back….and then sign a DH platoon…..

    Until they prove me wrong I have no real reason to believe they’ll do anything else…..

  225. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    I hope the Samauri warrior returns.

  226. DONNYBROOK October 17th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    You gotta pressure the Detroit D at Every opportunity. Ichiro, Nix, Nunez, and Gardner have the tools to do this. Girardi has to stop waiting onna Homer and use these players to force the action. As I said previously, I would even PH Nix to hit-and-run or bunt to achieve this.

  227. Yankee Trader October 17th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    MTU-

    ARod did use to ballboy to procure those two women’s phone numbers. I think he succeeded in getting one.

    Listen. I hope he has the courage to know when he’s finished as a Yankee, and as a ballplayer, which might not go hand in hand.

  228. Chip October 17th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    joeman October 17th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    blake October 17th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
    I think we could see more of the same this offseason……

    —————————————
    there will be changes made they have to many FA’s to be & option players to deal with
    —————-

    Swisher, Ichiro and Kuroda are the only two “real” free agents on the team.

    If Andy and Mo want to come back they will.

    Soriano might opt out of his contract to go after a closer job coming off a good season – if so – fantastic.

    Yankees will pick up the options on Cano and Granderson.

    The “Yankee way” would be to just ink Kuroda and either Swisher or Ichiro. Then fill the Jones, Ibanez, Chavez roles the way they did this past year – grab up what ever chum is left at the end of the winter.

  229. Patrick October 17th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    Until they prove me wrong I have no real reason to believe they’ll do anything else…..

    What about catcher?

  230. joeman October 17th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    there’s a lot more than those players to deal with…and please don’t tell me Gardner is the LFer in 13…I won’t be able to take it

  231. Chip October 17th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    Patrick October 17th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    Until they prove me wrong I have no real reason to believe they’ll do anything else…..

    What about catcher?
    ———–

    Girardi loves Martin – if they get him to accept a moderate dollar contract he’ll be back.

  232. Against All Odds October 17th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    blake October 17th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    “Nobody that actually follows the game and can look at things objectively would think that the Yankee offense could be this bad.”

    Not this bad maybe…..but many of us have been talking about it for 2 years now and how they needed to add offense to prevent an age related collapse ….

    ———————

    They got so hung up on the pitching thinking they could weather the storm with the offense smh.

  233. SoS October 17th, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    Trade all these jokers and give me players that resemble Brosouis, Oneil, Tino and Posada. All of them are gamers, still ball in October and have an Im going to Kick your A$$ look when they are losing.

    I just have 3 rules.
    No hitting on chicks when losing.
    No hitting on chicks when your a bench warmer. Your a bench warmer!
    No smiling when your losing.

    Is that too much to ask!

    My 13 year old noticed something recently. Alex is chewing on sun flower seeds. That could be the root of all the problems. He used to chew gum when he was Arod the MVP. Superstitions is part of the game.

  234. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    YT-

    Most people do not walk away from that kind of money.

    Period.

    If they want to buy him out that’s another story.

    They’re not doing that.

    Even a trade will really cost the Yankees, and that’s if you could find a taker.

  235. Against All Odds October 17th, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    joeman October 17th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    there’s a lot more than those players to deal with…and please don’t tell me Gardner is the LFer in 13…I won’t be able to take it

    ———————-

    You might as well get used to it. The 13 outfield will probably be Brett, Grandy, and Ich

  236. DONNYBROOK October 17th, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    And remember, these boneheads did NOT even have Nunez on the ALCS roster.

  237. Against All Odds October 17th, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    there will be changes made they have to many FA’s to be & option players to deal with

    —————-

    Wishful thinking

  238. Yankee Trader October 17th, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    SoS-

    Wilt the Stilt was indeed a triple crown winner in BB. Held the one season record in points, rebounds, and “scoring.” :)

  239. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    YT-

    Send him to Dr. Purita and pray.

    ;)

  240. Warning Track Power October 17th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    I can’t help but imagine the Yankees will win this series
    vs. Detroit, 4 games to 3

    Anything is possible

  241. Against All Odds October 17th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    blake October 17th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    I think they’ll let Swisher go…..bring back Ichiro….try to bring back Andy and Kuroda back….and then sign a DH platoon…..

    Until they prove me wrong I have no real reason to believe they’ll do anything else…..

    ———————-

    They won’t. They’ll complain the prices are too high.

  242. djsunyc October 17th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    SoS October 17th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
    Trade all these jokers and give me players that resemble Brosouis, Oneil, Tino and Posada. All of them are gamers, still ball in October and have an Im going to Kick your A$$ look when they are losing.

    ———–

    tell me who the gamers are that we can attain.

  243. Irreverent Discourse October 17th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    Are you guys for real? There was no way to predict the entire team would slump at the same time. These are not bad hitters by any stretch of the imagination.

    The Yankees are hitting .200/.265/.317 with 21 runs scored.

    The Reds are batting .261/.327/.389 and have only scored 1 more run than the Yankees.

    The Giants are batting .217 .287 .353 and have 8 more runs scored.

    The only team hitting with any consistency in these playoffs is St. Louis.

    For the want of a few calls going right, or a literal handful of base hits drop in… and we are talking about how the Yankees have won gritty 1 run games in the postseason and are untouchable.

    Relax, chicken little’s…

  244. joeman October 17th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    FA’s
    Martin
    Chavez
    Suzuki
    Swisher
    Ibanez
    Garcia
    Kuroda
    Andy
    Mo

    options
    Cano
    Grandy
    Soriano

    thats 12 players & 11 of those were on the 25 man roster most of the year

  245. SoS October 17th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    If Boston can comeback from a 0-3 deficit why cant we? that Boston team was a lot better than this Yankee team
    If Boston can dump all their albatross contracts why cant we?Because there are only so many teams that can accept albatross contracts and even fewer that will. The Red Sox found an ownership group that was desperate to make a splash, had a ton of money to spend and no compunction about spending it. There aren’t many of those

    ========
    Chip,
    The one similarity that we have to that Boston team is strong pitching. Thats what catapulted their comeback. Granted their offense was much more lethal.

    Call Miami. They dont seem to mind signing a player for big bucks even if the already have an all star at that position. I would add a lifetime supply of whatever sunflower seeds alex chews on.

  246. Irreverent Discourse October 17th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    I don’t know why I left these two out…

    Detroit – 28 runs with .254/.303/.351

    St. Louis – 45 runs with .238/.329/.415

    How can anyone look at these numbers and think there is any identifiable pattern that requires more of a particular type of a hitter to guarantee success?

  247. Against All Odds October 17th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    There was no way to predict the entire team would slump at the same time. These are not bad hitters by any stretch of the imagination.

    —————————-

    It’s not just a slump it’s been an issue all season long. Fans were barking about the offense early in the season.

  248. Warning Track Power October 17th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    joe-based on that list, i think
    Martin returns, Ichiro returns, Ibanez returns and Kuroda returns.
    something tells me Andy is going to retire or will begin the season around late May/early June in 2013
    the other FA’s will be playing for another team next season

    as for the players with options,
    Cano will return.
    Grandy will return
    Soriano will be offered a contract and will probably decline, choosing to be a closer elsewhere

  249. luis October 17th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    MTU,

    I thought we had it too…Ignorance is the worst enemy to society.

    Patrick,

    I thought we were getting this kind of collapse in 2013, not in 2012. I thought that we were going to struggle in the PS, but not like this. It was pretty obvious to some of us. Age, declining bat speed and poor batting aproach is a bad recipe for offensive success

  250. Yankee Trader October 17th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    MTU-

    The only way out of Arods contract, is if he has a moral terpitude clause in it, that allows for termination based on things like being arrested for a felony. Actually that might not even work.

    Really if the Yankees give him shares in the Yankees making him a part owner, if he agrees to retire, that I believe would allow the Yankees to to terminate the contract and owe no further possible luxury tax on his share of the 40 man roster’s contracts.

  251. Irreverent Discourse October 17th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    AAO -Fans complain about everything. The offense that scored the second most runs in the league.

    Doesn’t make them right.

  252. SoS October 17th, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Wilt the Stilt was indeed a triple crown winner in BB. Held the one season record in points, rebounds, and “scoring.”

    =====

    YT,
    lol. The man came up big in pressure situations. What I would call a gamer.

  253. Shame Spencer October 17th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    “Do people really think all of the calls in 2009 post-season were absolutely correct ”

    Remember that ‘foul’ ball that Mauer hit in Minny that year lol….

  254. Against All Odds October 17th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    Irreverent Discourse October 17th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    AAO -Fans complain about everything. The offense that scored the second most runs in the league.

    Doesn’t make them right.

    ——————-

    The Yankees are a bully offense we all know that.

  255. Gary October 17th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    Hi Blake, I guess my opinion is what is the shock? These same guys show up in October and stink up the place. I was very vocal about Swisher during the offseason, and smiling Nick has again shown that when the chips are down and the pitching is good, that he is clearly overpowered. Granderson’s K numbers have been growing every season. It’s great when he hits a dinger every 4 or 5 games but he can’t find 1B in the other 4.

    Pretty sad, let the excuses begin. I can hardly look forward to the offseason.

  256. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    YT-

    If you were Hal would you give A-Rod a piece of the Yankees under that kind of duress ?

    Didn’t think so.

    They’re more likely to try psychological warfare.

    Doubt that works either. Too many semolians involved.

    ;)

  257. Patrick October 17th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    luis,

    It’s obvious that the Yankee offense will decline if the core of it doesn’t change. But it’s not going to decline overnight. .265/.337/.453 in the regular season to .200/.265/.317 in the postseason.

    The offense is good enough to win, they are just on a really cold streak this postseason. It’s unfortunate but you can’t really blame the level of talent or the construction of the team as reasons for the poor offensive showing.

    Yes there are potential problems down the road but THIS YEAR the offense was good enough to win.

  258. SoS October 17th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    I just want everyone to know that its been tough in the SoS family these last few days. My boy is being heckled at school by a Tigers fan. All I can tell him is to say 27. I have no other comebacks. Any suggestions besides having him transfer out of that school? Already thought of that but gas prices are too high these days.

  259. Shame Spencer October 17th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    I don’t think anyone would have predicted ALL the players would be in a slump as soon as the PS started… but I think the general thinking was we’d be lucky to have more than 3 guys that weren’t in some sort of funk in our line up at any given moment.

  260. Gary October 17th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    ID the Yanks have left a village out there the past 2-3 years with RISP. It worked against the lower division teams but when you get to postseason and the chips are down and the pitching is good it has and will catchup to you.

    It’s time to turn the page on alot of the members of this team. Lets start with Swisher, lets hear the Yanks are serious about letting him go.

  261. blake October 17th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    “What about catcher?”

    I think Martin will be back for probably too much money or too many years….I’d make him the qualifying offer because Id rather over pay him for one year than have to be committed to him for 2 or 3 years

  262. bruceb October 17th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    For the want of a few calls going right, or a literal handful of base hits drop in… and we are talking about how the Yankees have won gritty 1 run games in the postseason and are untouchable.

    I think it is you who needs a reality check. The Yanks have scored 0 runs in innings one through eight in three games. They have scored in only two of 30 innings. All five of their runs have come in the 9th inning on three home runs.

    This is one of the worst offensive post-season performances in the HISTORY of baseball.

    But, yes, of course, it’s all been down to a few bogus calls and a bit of bad luck.

  263. Doc Iac October 17th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    Deadspin ?@Deadspin

    Let’s all take a moment to laugh at this old Nike commercial featuring Lance Armstrong: http://deadsp.in/fqCexR

  264. Yankee Trader October 17th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    Wilt the Stilt was indeed a triple crown winner in BB. Held the one season record in points, rebounds, and “scoring.”

    =====

    YT,
    lol. The man came up big in pressure situations. What I would call a gamer.
    ——————————

    SoS-LOL
    A definite gamer!
    BTW he was an outstanding beach vollleyball player and gamer also.

  265. djsunyc October 17th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    ask your kid to ask him for his autograph b/c he may be the only tigers fan he will ever meet in real life.

  266. SoS October 17th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    They’re more likely to try psychological warfare.

    Doubt that works either. Too many semolians involved.

    =========

    MTU,
    If there is anyone who I think would crack under psychological warfare is Alex. Silent treatment from the entire organization till he packed his bags and treat him like he has cooties in the dugout would do the trick. I would get on it right away.

  267. Chip October 17th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    Shame Spencer October 17th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    I don’t think anyone would have predicted ALL the players would be in a slump as soon as the PS started… but I think the general thinking was we’d be lucky to have more than 3 guys that weren’t in some sort of funk in our line up at any given moment.
    ———————–

    It’s an approach thing.

    The Yankees have a lot of hitters who take pitches and swing for the fences when they have the count in their favor. The problem is that in the post season if you take pitches you tend to fall behind, and then the pitchers can expand the zone on the hitters.

    It doesn’t help that Curtis Granderson would need a cheat sheet to help tell the difference between a ball and a strike.

  268. Gary October 17th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    Hi MTU, how goes it? Doing some fishing, caught a few Mackeral at the pier and then caught a few more on the TV in pinstripes. lol

  269. blake October 17th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    Hi Blake, I guess my opinion is what is the shock? These same guys show up in October and stink up the place. I was very vocal about Swisher during the offseason, and smiling Nick has again shown that when the chips are down and the pitching is good, that he is clearly overpowered.”

    Sad but true….I’ve tried to explain it away as a sample size thing in the past but I just can’t do it anymore

  270. Against All Odds October 17th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    How old is your son?

  271. luis October 17th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    ID,

    With all due respect….You should know better that this type of hitters we are currently playing can’t deliver in high leverage situations…Some because of age and decline have caught up with them, some because they lack the 15th iron ( brain ) to change their batting approach when needed, even though they have the tools to do it and one is just in a very bad slump as a result of having no protection on that lineup, so his aggressiveness takes over and he expands the strikezone as a result. And this have been happening for three PS, hardly SSS.

  272. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    SoS-

    Tell him to tell the Tigers fan that there’s a B2 bomber flying by and when he turns to see it to kick him in the Family jewels.

    That should work.

    :)

  273. Irreverent Discourse October 17th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    You tell that kid “The best player on your team beats his wife” and send him home crying.

    No wait… don’t actually do that.

  274. blake October 17th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    I do think the Yanks avoid the sweep tonight ….think CC pitches well and Scherzer dominates them but they get him out in time to score a couple off their bullpen. Yanks win 4-2.

  275. Against All Odds October 17th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    blake October 17th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    Hi Blake, I guess my opinion is what is the shock? These same guys show up in October and stink up the place. I was very vocal about Swisher during the offseason, and smiling Nick has again shown that when the chips are down and the pitching is good, that he is clearly overpowered.”

    Sad but true….I’ve tried to explain it away as a sample size thing in the past but I just can’t do it anymore

    ————————–

    The sample size thing was just a way for Cashman to explain away why the players didn’t perform. It’s right there with his playoffs are just a crap shoot theory.

  276. SoS October 17th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    djsunyc October 17th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
    ask your kid to ask him for his autograph b/c he may be the only tigers fan he will ever meet in real life.

    ======

    lol. You do have a point. Im in Socal and have never met one myself. I thought they were like the boogeyman. Not real. Thanks for making me see things clearer.

  277. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    SoS-

    Alex may seem sensitive but when it comes to sheckels I bet he’s plenty tough.

    Gary-

    Hangin’ in.

    Nobody likes the smell of dead fish.

    :)

  278. Warning Track Power October 17th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    Come this Sunday, this board will be rejoicing after
    the Yankees have won the ALCS, 4 games to 3

  279. RayVT October 17th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    It seems to me that the post season is not the time to dump the players that got you there.

    Swisher & ARod are a core part of this team & benching them creates more distractions than anything else. It affects the whole team in a negative way. Not to mention the 2nd guessing where folks are on edge that they might be next.

    I guess Binder Joe is Like Binder Romney, by having folks tied up in HIS Binder!

  280. Hassey October 17th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    if Long really is givent he pink slip, it’ll be too bad that Chili Davis is tied up in Oaktown. Obviously, he must be doing something right. Then Long can move onto Fordham to lead a course on “The Physics of Hitting”

  281. SoS October 17th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    AAO,
    Hes 13 in high school.

    ID,
    But we have Alex. Isnt that the glass house theory?

  282. Gary October 17th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    Like to be a fly on the wall or evasdropping on some of the conversations and calls back and forth between Randy, Brian and Hal and Hank. I don’t think it’s anywhere as pretty as what the media and the fans see.

    For a payroll of $200m plus and to put out this level of effort and performance who could be happy with that?

  283. Chip October 17th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    What I want vs. what I expect.

    I want the Yankees to get creative this winter. Instead of just taking the easy road and bringing back this team mostly intact because of its regular season success – take a long hard look at where changes can be made.

    Deal Granderson to a team like the Nats or Braves that could use some more power in their lineup.

    Deal Cano for a treasure trove of young talent that can help the team compete in 2013 and beyond.

    Don’t bring back Nick Swisher. Instead look at guys on shorter term contracts until players like Austin, Williams, Heathcott and Almonte are ready to contribute.

    Bring back Russ Martin on a contract that would allow Austin Romine to compete for the starting backstop job.

    Have the conversation about Alex, that he’s not going to be the everyday 3b any more and so does he still want to be here. Assuming they get a top notch 3b prospect for Cano or Granderson – great – plug him in. If not, seriously give David Adams a chance there.

    What I think they will do…

    Bring back pretty much this team a year older.

  284. Patrick October 17th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    Chip,

    I would argue that the Yankees are taking too few pitches this postseason, not too many.

  285. Chip October 17th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    Gary October 17th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    Like to be a fly on the wall or evasdropping on some of the conversations and calls back and forth between Randy, Brian and Hal and Hank. I don’t think it’s anywhere as pretty as what the media and the fans see.

    ———-

    I’m not 100% convinced Hal is watching the playoffs.

  286. Hassey October 17th, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    I’m not convinced Randy actually knows how many touchdowns A-Rod has hit this year

  287. Against All Odds October 17th, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    Trying to think what can your son tell him w/o causing a fight. If he was younger he could have just said you have cooties but for 13 that’s not going to work.

  288. Chip October 17th, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    Kobe Bryant on his buddy A-Rod:

    “We’re very similar. He’s great, but the difference is sometimes he forgets how great he is. I don’t.”

  289. Against All Odds October 17th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    For a payroll of $200m plus and to put out this level of effort and performance who could be happy with that?

    ————————–

    Hal, he believes once you get in anything can happen

  290. SoS October 17th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    Hassey,
    I mentioned this the other day. Call Oneil up and see if he wants the duties of hitting coach. You get a lifetime or close to .300 hitter, an intense guy that will drop a cooler on guys noggin if they swing at stuff that is thrown closer to the dugout then home plate. Tell him we would allow him to wear 21 again and will retire it if he can be a HOF hitting coach. I bet he would take that job for free. Then use that money for more ball boys or Hotdog, hamburger, burrito, pizza race. Whatever is needed.

    Seriously though. Oneil.

  291. Chambliss October 17th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    Think about it. CC, Andy and Kuroda the next three games, with CC on three days rest in game 7. If they don’t hit, forget it, but they could do this.

  292. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    Kobe.

    Do us a favor and call him to remind him.

    We could use the help right now.

    Thanks.

    :)

  293. Yankee Trader October 17th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    MTU-

    Psychological warfare won’t work on Alex unless he has a severe breakdown requiring a frontal lobotomy. Even then he’s still owed the remainder of the contract.

    Robinson Cano batting .083. It’s not because pitchers are pitching around him. He’s missing pitcher’s mistakes. WHY?

  294. Hassey October 17th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    What would the mascot race be in NYC?

    Mugger
    Tourist
    Wall Streeter
    pretzel vendor stand

  295. Doc Iac October 17th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    Chambliss October 17th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    Think about it. CC, Andy and Kuroda the next three games, with CC on three days rest in game 7. If they don’t hit, forget it, but they could do this.

    your right man, im not givin up just yet!

  296. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    YT-

    He wanted to set a record.

    It’s just the wrong type.

    :(

  297. Irreverent Discourse October 17th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    luis – I disagree, I don’t think you could handle rooting for the offense other teams have to live with out there all season. Simply blaming this all on age decline is taking the easy way out.

    Granderson has been this way all season… he is simply a high K guy with pop. Streaky and wasn’t hitting well to end the year anyway.

    Swisher doesn’t hit in the postseason, I don’t know why… but he doesn’t. Every good offense can suffer a few guys like this (that will end up coming through randomly anyway).

    I’m convinced A-Rod is either hurt or otherwise out of shape from the time he missed. The failure with him is on the coaching for not identifying this sooner.

    These other guys like Martin, Chavez, Ibanez, Jeter…. are/were all hitting as expected…

    Cano is, realistically… the only player on the team that is actually in a slump and not playing as expected of him right now.

    If he was, we could EASILY be up 2-1 or better right now.

    It’s just ignorance to pretend like there is an entire lineup of better hitters out there right now. Other than St. Louis and whatever magic is going on there… the entire postseason has been tightly played low scoring games.

    J. Jay
    C. Beltran
    M. Holliday
    A. Craig
    Y. Molina
    D. Freese
    D. Descalso
    … does it even matter… ?

    Can anyone here tell me that they would prefer this Cardinals lineup that has scored 45 runs int he postseason this year… to the Yankee lineup (+jeter) opening day next year?

  298. blake October 17th, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    “I’m not 100% convinced Hal is watching the playoffs.”

    He probably does have TVs in his money bin….but I doubt he tries to watch while he’s swimming

  299. Hassey October 17th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    ID – if some of these guys are directly responsible for the team getting its second straight ring, and in Molina’s case, his third ring, then yes, I’d consider it.

  300. luis October 17th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    Blake,

    That won’t solve the problem…We need to think long term if we want sustained success…You need to reunite as much talent as you can and see which one pans out.

  301. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    Blake-

    I’m sure Hal has a TV and a bar in the pool.

    ;)

  302. Irreverent Discourse October 17th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    Hassey – As long as you are prepared to have them in your lineup all year, where they don’t perform as well and you will have a good possibility of missing the postseason entirely.

  303. Chip October 17th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    Never going to happen but:

    Alex Rodriguez and cash to Miami
    Heath Bell, Gardner, Nova and Robertson to Chicago
    Alex Rios and Adam Dunn to the Yankees

  304. Hassey October 17th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    ID – we already have that possibility next year if we rightly let some of our regular season stars go (rightly because of financial constraints, and not only performance issues)

  305. Chip October 17th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Actually – forget the trade above – it doesn’t make sense. Only reason the White Sox would salary dump Rios and Dunn was if they were taking on A-Rod

  306. Against All Odds October 17th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    WHY?

    —————–

    The four day break cooled him off a bit. Like anything else you want to get into a groove and after a while how far can you go with BP. So he had to start back up and got off to a rough start. Instead of just letting it come to him he attacked it and got himself out of wack. He put pressure on himself to perform and wants to pick up the slack for everyone else. It’s like the 3 point shooter that misses 4-5 shots but still chucks them up despite being cold.

  307. blake October 17th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    @KeithOlbermann: BB Nerd Exclusive: Yanks, Marlins Discuss Alex Rodriguez Trade http://t.co/PcoXvXYS

  308. Irreverent Discourse October 17th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    There is at least $30million in relievers coming off the books before 2014 hits, and that’s just looking at 2 players. I don’t know why the payroll is such a big concern for next season.

  309. blake October 17th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    So the Arod to the marlins rumors have already started

  310. Patrick October 17th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    Chip isn’t Adam Dunn the exact opposite of what you want?

  311. pat October 17th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    “Not to mention the 2nd guessing where folks are on edge that they might be next.”

    I heard someone ask that of a player last night (Leiter and Casey?) and the response was it can make for an uncomfortable clubhouse because it breaks the normal rhythms they have been used to all year.

  312. SoS October 17th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    What would the mascot race be in NYC?

    Mugger
    Tourist
    Wall Streeter
    pretzel vendor stand

    ======

    That would get buts back in Yankee stadium seats. I like it!!

  313. Hassey October 17th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    ID – I am certainly no expert on the business of baseball, and my eyes glaze over when our group dissects the payroll and Tetris-type moves on the horizon. But I would rather pocket the Swisher and Grandy money instead of spending it just because we can

  314. Patrick October 17th, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    ID,

    I don’t think the payroll next season is a big deal as long as the Yanks don’t add new long term contracts.

  315. blake October 17th, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    “Sources close to both organizations confirm the Yankees would pay all – or virtually all – of the $114,000,000 Rodriguez is owed in a contract that runs through the rest of this season and the next five. One alternative scenario has also been discussed in which the Yankees would pay less of Rodriguez’s salary, but would obtain the troubled Marlins’ reliever Heath Bell and pay what remains of the three-year, $27,000,000 deal Bell signed last winter.

    None of the sources could give an indication as to how serious the discussions have already gotten, but one of them close to the Marlins’ ownership said he believed the trade made sense for both sides, and would eventually be made in some form.”

    From link above

  316. DONNYBROOK October 17th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    Just what is “sustained success” ??? If your talkin’ making the Playoffs, the Yanks already got that. If your talkin’ Championships, you gotta win your 1st, and THEN talk about that. This is small-ball vs HR Or No Run. Get that 1st Chmapionship, and then blather all ya want about “sustained success”.

  317. Tackelberry October 17th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    blake October 17th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
    So the Arod to the marlins rumors have already started

    __________________________________________

    ESPN’s Jayson Stark mentioned yesterday that Miami is one place Arod could conceivably end up

  318. SoS October 17th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    Chip,
    What do you think about getting Hunter Pence? Off year but is still only 29.

  319. Chip October 17th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    Patrick October 17th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    Chip isn’t Adam Dunn the exact opposite of what you want?
    ——————-

    Very much so. But on the other hand I think Dunn can be productive for the Yankees. I think Alex’s role going forward will be that of platoon guy and major headache.

  320. austinmac October 17th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    1964 was the year the Yankee dynasty ended after going to the World Series 14 of the previous 16 years. The new ownership group decided not to spend money, but let the team continue to age. It was obvious even to my then childlike eyes the team was aging.

    I feel the same way about this team. If they essentially sit tight,bringing back most of the same team, I see the end result being ugly if this is their chosen path.

  321. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    Oh they’ll take him if it cost them practically nothing.

    They shed payroll this season. They’re not interested in adding it back.

    That franchise already has the makings of a disaster.

    I will help them out though by taking Stanton off their hands if they like.

    ;)

  322. Chip October 17th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    SoS October 17th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    Chip,
    What do you think about getting Hunter Pence? Off year but is still only 29.
    ——————-

    He’s a nice player – I don’t see why the Giants would deal him.

  323. Against All Odds October 17th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    Would the Marlins take an aging player just to fill up the ball park?

  324. Yankee Trader October 17th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    J. Jay
    C. Beltran
    M. Holliday
    A. Craig
    Y. Molina
    D. Freese
    D. Descalso
    … does it even matter… ?

    Can anyone here tell me that they would prefer this Cardinals lineup that has scored 45 runs int he postseason this year… to the Yankee lineup (+jeter) opening day next year?
    ————————————–

    ID-

    You’re kidding right?
    Molina, Jay, Freese, Craig, Holliday all have on OB% >.350 and all but Jay had 15 homers or more.

    Am I missing an inside joke here? :)

    Blake, Chip, Joeman, MTU, Doc, et al. Thoughts?

  325. Hassey October 17th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    after being in the Miami stadium for two games 2 weeks ago, I can tell you that A-Rod will not be breaking into too many home run trots there either. Very big park…you have to be one of Stanton’s 500 foot shots to get out

  326. Irreverent Discourse October 17th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    What is the point of trading A-Rod if you have to pay anywhere near half of his salary? He will simply be the DH. A role he was excelling at this season. Remember my “crazy” rotate-o-DH arguements from earlier thi season? Worked out pretty damn well… exactly like I said it would didn’t it. With a little bit of luck he won’t break his wrist every year.

  327. blake October 17th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    The Cardinals offense is WAY better than the Yanks

  328. SoS October 17th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    What would the mascot race be in NYC?

    Mugger
    Tourist
    Wall Streeter
    pretzel vendor stand

    ===

    Hassey,
    Just a thought. Can any of those guys hit right handed pitching?

  329. DONNYBROOK October 17th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    You see what you can get for a Cano package, Before looking at free agents.

  330. Irreverent Discourse October 17th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Yankee Trader – Cano, Jeter Swisher and A-Rod all had OBP’s over .350 and everyone on the damn roster had more than 15 home runs except Ichiro. Where is the joke?

  331. luis October 17th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    ID,

    I don’t think there are better players available out there….Hence the need to start rebuilding…By the way, you basically said the same I was thinking without the names…The only guy we disagree is Arod,he is declining and no longer can anchor the lineup… I don’t think is on the coaches, it’s just age

  332. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    YT-

    You know what I think of the Cards roster construction.

    Took incredible cajones to let Albert walk.

    Still saddens me that he will not be there to finish as a Cardinal.

  333. Irreverent Discourse October 17th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    blake – “The Cardinals offense is WAY better than the Yanks”

    Except that it wasn’t, in basically any important stat?

  334. Yankee Trader October 17th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Odds-
    Maybe if the Yankees took on some bad Marlin contracts and got all players with NT’s to waive them, maybe they could deal Alex to Miami, but you’d be looking on getting back players like Buck, Bell and maybe Buehrle.

  335. luis October 17th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    ID…The Cards offense is younger than ours with a better batting approach

  336. Shame Spencer October 17th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    blake October 17th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    I do think the Yanks avoid the sweep tonight ….think CC pitches well and Scherzer dominates them but they get him out in time to score a couple off their bullpen. Yanks win 4-2.

    —————————-

    There is literally no better line up of pitching you could have for these next 4 games (see what I did there guys..?)….. the O just has to show up.

    I figure if trisha keeps praying for a well called game and I keep praying for a well played one, we might set ourselves up for a win tonight!

  337. Against All Odds October 17th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    Yankee Trader October 17th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Odds-
    Maybe if the Yankees took on some bad Marlin contracts and got all players with NT’s to waive them, maybe they could deal Alex to Miami, but you’d be looking on getting back players like Buck, Bell and maybe Buehrle.

    —————————–

    Exactly it would lock them into more bad contracts.

  338. Tyler October 17th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    I’d gladly take Heath Bell’s salary on for the Marlins taking on a sizeable chunk of A-Rod’s contract. I think Heath Bell can still be somewhat serviceable as a late inning reliever….

  339. blake October 17th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    “Except that it wasn’t, in basically any important stat?”

    Have you watched the playoffs?

  340. mate October 17th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    Bat speed:

    Cespedes, Montero (Yes will 1st year struggles etc), would have been nice to have right about now.

    But noooo, Cashman/Hal #$%^&

  341. SoS October 17th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    Chip,
    For some reason thought Pence was a free agent.

    austinmac,
    Can you see us having to relive the decade of the 80′s again?

  342. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    Shame-

    I hope only the Dodgers are that dumb.

    ;)

  343. Ys Guy October 17th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    there is only one game.

    it’s tonight.

    win it!

  344. Tyler October 17th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    MTU October 17th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
    YT-

    You know what I think of the Cards roster construction.

    Took incredible cajones to let Albert walk.

    Still saddens me that he will not be there to finish as a Cardinal.
    ———————————————————–

    The Cardinals knew that they had Allen Craig waiting in the wings.

  345. Patrick October 17th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    There is pretty much no viable deal out there for A-rod right now. Unless he somehow goes back to hitting .300/.380/.550 nobody is going to want him for the kind of money he’s owed. And if the Yankees eat too much of his salary they are paying for nothing but an extra spot on the roster.

    A-rod can still be a reasonable 3B. He still hits LHP really well. I think he can put up an .850 OPS with 25-30 HR if he stays healthy.

  346. Against All Odds October 17th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    mate October 17th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    Bat speed:

    Cespedes, Montero (Yes will 1st year struggles etc), would have been nice to have right about now.

    But noooo, Cashman/Hal #$%^&

    ———————

    They need to find some youth somewhere. Unfortunately you might have to trade of the ML roster to do it.

  347. Chip October 17th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    Trader -

    What I don’t think ID is taking into account is age. The Cards lineup right now has one player 35 or older (Beltran): Jay, Holliday, Freese, Craig, Molina – those guys are all between 27 and 32 – their prime years.

    On the other hand – if the Yankees bring back this team next year, the only regular who will be under 30 would be Brett Gardner.

  348. blake October 17th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    “I’d gladly take Heath Bell’s salary on for the Marlins taking on a sizeable chunk of A-Rod’s contract. I think Heath Bell can still be somewhat serviceable as a late inning reliever….”

    That article was suggesting that the Yanks would still take most of Arods deal or at least enough so that the money evened out…..which makes the Yankees worse IMO so if they essentially eat Arods entire contract then this is more than about his performance on the field….this is about them wanting him out of the clubhouse……

  349. Irreverent Discourse October 17th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    luis – Obviously he is going to decline, but the last month and a half is simply not who he is as a hitter. .269/.357/.436 with 13hr’s before the break… I can live with that. No one is pretending he will be worth his contract any time soon… but dumping the entirety of it makes no sense either.

    He also hit .307/.371/.467 as a DH this year, which is what his role needs to be going forward.

  350. Doc Iac October 17th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    the yankee line-up is good…but…

    no way u coulda predicted cano to go this cold, swisher u would have hoped would be better than his normal PS, i mean its almost impossible to be that bad that many playoff years, but hes found a way, granderson we all know is hit or miss, with alot more miss than hit, a-rod wasnt expected to carry the O but hes been worse than expected, but puttin chavez instead has only made the matter worse. ichiro and jeter and ibanez have been good. martin is doin as expected…

    i love cano but he gets the blame im sorry, he is the best player on the team but has not shown up…

    but….the series ends after a team wins 4 games not 3…

  351. Irreverent Discourse October 17th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    Chip – batting prime is age 26, you know that. :)

  352. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Tyler-

    I understand but Albert was/is the face of that Franchise.

    Still find that kind of sad.

    That’s where the buisness angle conflicts with the heart.

    :(

  353. Chip October 17th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Patrick October 17th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    There is pretty much no viable deal out there for A-rod right now. Unless he somehow goes back to hitting .300/.380/.550 nobody is going to want him for the kind of money he’s owed. And if the Yankees eat too much of his salary they are paying for nothing but an extra spot on the roster.

    A-rod can still be a reasonable 3B. He still hits LHP really well. I think he can put up an .850 OPS with 25-30 HR if he stays healthy.
    —————–

    If George was still here, no doubt in my mind they would pay someone to take Alex and leave it at that – will Hal? I doubt it.

  354. Tyler October 17th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    That article was suggesting that the Yanks would still take most of Arods deal or at least enough so that the money evened out…..which makes the Yankees worse IMO so if they essentially eat Arods entire contract then this is more than about his performance on the field….this is about them wanting him out of the clubhouse……
    ————————————————————

    Yeah I didn’t really read the article, haha. I would maybe eat up half of A-Rod’s salary but that would be my maximum and I wouldn’t be happy about it. I really think there are other issues going on right now… it won’t come out while they are still playing but this offseason will be interesting. I’m not one for conspiracy theories but I really think that the Yanks are pushing Alex’s buttons right now, trying to get him to crack.

  355. Chip October 17th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    Irreverent Discourse October 17th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    Chip – batting prime is age 26, you know that.
    ——————

    I actually didn’t know that. In any case, I would rather have a majority of my lineup closer to that prime age than farther away from it.

  356. Irreverent Discourse October 17th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    “with a better batting approach”

    Does that involve having two 50 win teams in your division, facing terrible pitching all year and barely making the playoffs?

  357. Tyler October 17th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    MTU-

    People here have already basically struck him from the history books about. When I got lunch today, the market had more Anti-Albert shirts than Pro-Cardinal shirts.

  358. Yankee Trader October 17th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    ID-

    So you weren’t kidding. You make a good point. This is just my opinion but going forward next year and on I’d rather have:

    David Freese at 3rd over A-Rod
    Yadier Molina catching over Martin
    Holliday over Swisher.

    Depending on the severity of Jeters fractured tibia and his recuperation, there is no 100% guarantee that he’ll have the same lateral movement to play SS.

    Cano-could be the next Yankee albatross contract if he gets 10 years 220M plus deal.

  359. blake October 17th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    Trading Arod for Heath Bell makes the Yankees worse on the field…….so if they do something like that and don’t save any money in the process then it’s pretty clear they just wanted Alex off the team for reasons we probably don’t know about at this time..

  360. Irreverent Discourse October 17th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    Chip – Of course, just teasing :0 I’ve said this before, they get the contracts because they are expected to come back and perform until the end of them. Yes St. Louis is younger. That doesn’t mean they are more (or less… I will concede) likely to repeat their less established performances.

  361. Tyler October 17th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    David Freese makes a lot less money but I wouldn’t want him on the Yanks. The guy is a walking injury risk and is as streaky as the guys on the Yanks. It’s just lucky for him that he seems to get hot in October while a guy like Swish goes cold.

  362. Shame Spencer October 17th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    It still counts against the luxury tax threshold if you trade a player and pay their salary..? Or no?

  363. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    Tyler-

    THAT is the height of idiocy and lack of gratitude IMO.

    He is one greatest palyers to ever don a uniform.

    One of the best pure hitters I have ever seen.

    What morons.

  364. Chip October 17th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    Patrick

    I don’t believe the Yankees will be able to trade Alex. I agree with you that no team is going to take on the years, let alone the money. Not even the Marlins for the sake of selling seats.

    However, I still wonder, if the Yankees turn to Alex this winter and say “You are not going to be an everyday player for us any more. You will be a platoon guy who will DH and see a little time at 3b against LH, basically you will be Andruw Jones. You will not get enough at bats to set the home run record, it just won’t happen. What do you want to do?”

    Will he walk away? It is a lot of money to leave on the table but is it worth the money to go through that for the next five years?

  365. pat October 17th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    Trump sitting in the team suite while tweeting negative things about Alex adds credibility to the Puppetmaster Theory. :wink:

  366. Ys Guy October 17th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    it doesnt take anything but common sense not to sign albert (or arod) to a contract that can’t possibly make any fiscal sense and stands a good chance of crippling a franchise for a decade.

  367. luis October 17th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    ID,

    I am not saying trading Arod…Just shortening the contract in exchange for stock on the team…He is not breaking the HR record, he knows that…Just what we could get on payroll flexibility would be priceless…But I would say after 2013.

    Holliday and Beltran have been taking great at bats…They don’t have the pitching other team have, still I think they make it to the WS.

  368. Irreverent Discourse October 17th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    YT – If Jeter can’t play the field (and you are right, he will lose steps because of this injury) he is a significantly larger problem than A-Rod right now.

    David Freese at 3rd over A-Rod – I don’t expect A-Rod to play third at all next season unless there is a lefty pitching. He should almost always be DH’ing for the remainder of his contract.

    Yadier Molina catching over Martin – Obviously. Having a Flying Molina Brother is essential for success. That begin said, Martin is good enough behind the plate that I don’t really care what he hits until a better option that doesn’t sacrifice that catching ability.

    Holliday over Swisher. – Not really a fair comparison… because the Yankees are getting that Holliday production from their 2B spot. Would you rather have their 2B over Swisher? I doubt it.

  369. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    Chip-

    You’ve got to be kidding.

    He’ll likely say fine, or just say trade me.

    Of course they won’t be able to trade him w/o lossing a frickin fortune.

  370. DONNYBROOK October 17th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    So what does that say about the Angel owner Moreno ?

  371. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    new thread —->

  372. blake October 17th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    I think if the Yankees will eat most of Alexa contract the Marlins will take him…..I don’t know if that helps the Yankees or not

  373. Ys Guy October 17th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    “If George was still here, no doubt in my mind they would pay someone to take Alex and leave it at that – will Hal? I doubt it.”

    =======================================
    then he’d blow the whole wad on hamilton…

  374. Tar October 17th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    Just a quick drive by. For some reason I Still think we have a chance( small as it is)to pull this out.

    Not sure if that makes me a good fan, a homer, or just plain stupid.

  375. RMS October 17th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    FA’s
    Martin-No
    Chavez-No
    Suzuki-Yes
    Swisher-No
    Ibanez-No
    Garcia-No
    Kuroda-Yes
    Andy-Yes
    Mo-Yes

    options
    Cano-Yes
    Grandy-Trade him
    Soriano-He will opt out

  376. Yankee Trader October 17th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    Luis-

    Unless ARod retires the Yankees will be paying the AAV remainder of his contract as it pertains to the luxury tax, configured at the end of each season for the 40 man squad.

    Blake, Tyler- Where is the article on trading ARod. Personally I think he remains a Yankee for at least the next two years until the contract lowers to around 20M

    09:$32M, 10:$32M, 11:$31M, 12:$29M, 13:$28M, 14:$25M, 15:$21M, 16:$20M, 17:$20M

  377. tomingeorgia October 17th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    Hassey,
    Add the umbrella salesman to that list, and bet on him every day.

  378. austinmac October 17th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    SoS,

    The late 1960s made the 1980s look good.

    What I would like is some indication the team recognizes the aging and offensive decline and intends to try to remedy it. Remedies aren’t easy. I understand that, but nothing will improve if the management writes this off as bad luck or a bad time to slump.


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