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Postgame notes: “You have no choice but to fight”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Oct 17, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

That last at-bat said a lot about the state of this Yankees lineup. Raul Ibanez hit .197 with two extra-base hits against left-handers this season, yet there was little question his matchup against Phil Coke was about as good as the Yankees were going to get in that situation.

“It’s definitely tough as a ballclub right now,” Ibanez said. “But everything can turn around with one swing of the bat and one inning. Things can turn around. I’ve seen it happen. We’ve all seen it happen. Tomorrow, we’re going to fight. … You have no choice but to fight. Fight all the way back.”

Give the Yankees offense credit for this much: They’ve fought. Eduardo Nunez’s home run off Justin Verlander set the stage for what might have been yet another ninth-inning rally for the Yankees. They had two hits all game before getting three hits in the ninth, putting the tying run in scoring position and getting their most dangerous hitter to the plate.

But the ninth inning hasn’t been their problem. Neither has pitching. And despite two bad plays in tonight’s fifth inning, neither has defense. Joe Girardi has now started every position player on the roster except Chris Stewart. He’s benched Alex Rodriguez, put Brett Gardner in the leadoff spot and dropped Curtis Granderson to eighth in the order. Yet the second-highest-scoring offense in baseball just can’t hit.

As a team, the Yankees are hitting .200/.265/.317 in the postseason.

“If we played five, 10, 15, 20 more games, there’s no way we could continue to struggle this way for an extended period of time,” Gardner said. “For whatever reason, we’re not getting the job done right now. You look at it from the other side and our pitching has been phenomenal. … It’s not like we’re losing 12-4 or anything like that. They’re giving us a real good chance to win and we’re just not getting the job done.”

Tomorrow, the Yankees have their ace on the mound, but tonight the Yankees pitching staff allowed just two runs through nine innings. How much better could Sabathia have done on short rest, and how much better can he do tomorrow? It’s the lineup that put the Yankees in this situation, and the lineup is going to have to get them out of it.

“You look at this and it could be a number of different things besides 0-3 for us,” Joe Girardi said. “We have gotten good pitching all the way throughout the playoffs, and we will need it again tomorrow if we want to live another day. … I am (surprised), but you have to put it all behind you. What has happened has happened, and you have to find a way to score runs tomorrow. And you have your ace on the mound, and you see what happens. Win a game tomorrow, and then let’s see what happens.”

• Perhaps most puzzling of all the Yankees offense struggles is Robinson Cano, who snapped an 0-for-29 streak with his two-out single in the ninth. “I wasn’t thinking about that,” Cano said. “You just have to do what you have to do to get on base, especially when you want to keep the inning alive. You need to get a hit or get a walk. Get on base however.”

• Obviously a big home run by Nunez. Given the way some of these games have gone, it really felt like that might be the kind of thing to wake up this offense. “I know he wants to get me out with some breaking ball pitch,” Nunez said. “I was looking for it down, and he missed up. … I thought we would come back. After the homer, just down one run, nobody out. I think it’s going to be exciting and win the game, but we lost.”

• Coke showed Ibanez a lot of fastballs in that final at-bat, then he got him with a curveball. It was the first offspeed pitch of the bat. “Is it surprising?” Ibanez said. “He’s a good pitcher. He had thrown a lot of fastballs and he made a good pitch. I didn’t hit it. I didn’t get it done.”

• Verlander only struck out three, a surprisingly low number considering his overall dominance. The Yankees actually seemed to have better at-bats than they’ve had in a long time, but until Nunez homered, they’d put just two men on base. “You’re fighting for your life out there,” Russell Martin said. “Whatever you can to try and get on base, make something happen.”

• Mark Teixera on the unusual version of Verlander the Yankees faced tonight: “I don’t want to say he let us hit it, but he wanted to live on the corners. Sometimes he tries to strike you out every at bat. Tonight we didn’t really strike out a lot but he was living on the corners. He pitched really well.”

• Phil Hughes said it was near the end of the third inning that his lower back began to feel stiff. He didn’t think it affected his pitches, but the fourth inning was going badly and the Yankees didn’t take any chances. “It was just the circumstances of the game, and what was going on,” Hughes said. “I think they just wanted to make the best move for the team, not necessarily for my health at the time.”

• Martin said he thought Hughes’ stuff was good, and obviously Hughes made some key pitches before the Delmon Young home run. “In that fourth inning I was having a tough time finishing, especially breaking balls,” Hughes said. “That one that hung to Delmon Young was just a spinner that broke back over the plate. That, along with the walk, things just weren’t going well.”

• Girardi seemed to indicate that it’s at least possible Hughes will end up on the disabled list. It would obviously raise some rotation questions down the road, but down the road might not happen. “We’ll see what we have tomorrow which will determine what we do with him,” Girardi said.

• Martin jammed his thumb on his last at-bat. Chris Stewart almost caught the eighth because Martin’s thumb was numb, but the feeling came back and he fully expects to play tomorrow. “If I couldn’t throw the ball, obviously they would have taken me out of the game,” Martin said. “I should be fine.”

• Martin could have hit in the ninth, but the Yankees were going to replace him with Nick Swisher. “They were going to Swish and I got no problem with that,” Martin said.

• Speaking of pinch hitting, as you might expect, Girardi didn’t pinch hit for Ibanez in the ninth because he knew the Tigers would go to right-hander Benoit if Alex Rodriguez came into the game. “Raul has come up in a lot of big situations,” Girardi said. “You know, you go back to September 1 and he has come through for us, and I felt great about him up there.”

• The Yankees left side of the infield was Nunez and Eric Chavez, but it was Nunez who made a terrific play to save a run in the fifth and Chavez who made the error that led to a run. “I got caught in between,” Chavez said. “When he hit the ball, I thought it was a lot softer, and I thought I had time to step back, and it had too much topspin. If I would have known it was hit harder, I probably would have come up and played it on a short hop. … It wasn’t a tough ball where I couldn’t make a decision. I had to make a decision, and it was just the wrong one.”

• Speaking of bad plays in the fifth inning, Curtis Granderson took a bad route on Cabrera’s RBI double that stood as the difference in the game. “I felt like I had a read, but it just ended up going away from me and going towards the gap,” Granderson said. “Prior to it, I was talking to Gardner about the wind, how balls are getting knocked down, but a ball that ended up staying low, like that particular one, just ended up cutting through the wind.”

• As far as I know, Rodriguez didn’t speak postgame about being benched again. Swisher did and said he was taking at-bats in the indoor cage every half inning to stay ready. “You want to be in there,” Swisher said. “But Skip is the manager and I back his decision. Bring a little speed in the lineup with Gardy coming in there. I’m going to come back to the ballpark and be ready to go tomorrow.”

• Swisher said he hasn’t been told whether he’ll play tomorrow. Girardi said he won’t decide until tomorrow. “We’re just trying to find a lineup that works,” Swisher said. “I thought it was a great lineup. I wasn’t in it, but you’ve got to back your guys and support your teammates. The guys played well. We just came up a little short.”

• Gardner didn’t have any hits to show for it, but he didn’t look overmatched in his first big league start since April. He said all four balls that he put in play were changeups. “I felt great getting thrown right back in there and seeing live pitching,” he said. “I felt great in the box today. I thought I had a couple of good at-bats and I saw the ball really well. When he gets ahead in the count and has the stuff that he has, he can kind of have his way with you.”

• Speaking of Gardner, has Teixeira thought about bunting against the shift to try to spark something? “That’s not going to happen,” he said. “I tried to have some fun with you guys in spring training and said I was going lay some down. I’ve never bunted. I don’t think I’ve bunted since I was 11 years old. It’s the same thing if we needed a lefty to get someone out, I’m not gonna go in the bullpen and start throwing left-handed. That’s not what I do. I hit a couple of balls hard off Verlander, but me laying a bunt down is not gonna happen. That’d be desperate.”

• Final word goes to Girardi: “The thing that you do is you keep encouraging the guys and you keep telling them, ‘Hey, find a way, find a way to get it done.’ And, you know, the one thing about this group that I’m very proud of is they have overcome a lot this year, and there is nothing that has come easy for us. You can start with the first three games of the year, we got swept. And it has been a battle the whole year, and they have found a way to get it done. And that’s what we’re going to have to do.”

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82 Responses to “Postgame notes: “You have no choice but to fight””

  1. tucker October 17th, 2012 at 2:49 am

    There was a season’s worth of anger in that Nunie at bat. Gotta like the way he battled. It shows what bat speed can do for a team. I hope the FO sees that and acts accordingly w/the offseason plans.

    Cashman was wrong. You can’t always get a bat, or at least a good bat, unless you invest some money.

  2. Wang IS Taiwan October 17th, 2012 at 2:50 am

    “If we played five, 10, 15, 20 more games, there’s no way we could continue to struggle this way for an extended period of time,” Gardner said. “For whatever reason, we’re not getting the job done right now.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    It’s a nice sentiment from Gardner, but I don’t know…at this rate, I can see them staying flat for a lot longer.

    GREAT PITCHING from our guys, though. I’d keep the same lineup for tomorrow.

  3. Wang IS Taiwan October 17th, 2012 at 2:51 am

    Tucker — agree on the anger behind the swing. You go, Nunez!!

  4. yankeebc October 17th, 2012 at 3:17 am

    Kills me to hear Texeira say it would be a sign of desperation if he were to lay a bunt down against the shift. Seems to me things are getting pretty damned desperate around here. Loved watching Gardie work Verlander for 10 pitches in a couple of at bats, including in the 9th when he wore him out. Leave him in leadoff and let him use his speed to generate runs.

  5. jimmy1138 October 17th, 2012 at 3:22 am

    Why does Granderson even play in CF? Gardner is a decent CF, Granderson is the worst one in the Major League.

  6. jacksquat October 17th, 2012 at 3:55 am

    I like the same lineup tomorrow except Martin lower.

    Note to Tex, you are desperate. Bury the ego and play to win.

  7. PacoDooley October 17th, 2012 at 4:14 am

    The decisions in this series, especially this idiotic lineup, should be an embarrassment for Girardi. The team had the best record in the AL and has a pitching staff that is doing an impressive job. But rather than send out his best lineup and hope that players can rebound from a dip in performance, he decides to blow the whole thing up and send out a lineup that would have likely missed the playoffs.

    I have been a Girardi defender, and a Cashman defender. But this series suggests that the team should look for some new leadership in the dugout and in the front office.

  8. Patrick October 17th, 2012 at 4:34 am

    Yanks have had a 4 game winning streak this season, why not do it again? Good way to start is with your ace on the mound. This series isn’t over yet…

  9. arjay October 17th, 2012 at 5:16 am

    One game at a time, win tonight, win tomorrow, get it back to NY… so we can boo the crap out of these losers.

    So bunting would be desperate, huh Tex? Guess what? Those other teams out there in the playoffs? They want to win – desperately!! – and will do anything to get there. But you stay cool, Tex.

    You know why all the late-inning rallies? Perhaps we change our approach a bit when it comes down to crunch time. First through sixth we swing from the MFing heels, though.

  10. LGY October 17th, 2012 at 7:12 am

    “That’s not going to happen,” he said. “I tried to have some fun with you guys in spring training and said I was going lay some down. I’ve never bunted. I don’t think I’ve bunted since I was 11 years old. It’s the same thing if we needed a lefty to get someone out, I’m not gonna go in the bullpen and start throwing left-handed. That’s not what I do. I hit a couple of balls hard off Verlander, but me laying a bunt down is not gonna happen. That’d be desperate.”

    ——-

    This team has suddenly become very unlikeable.

  11. Mike Ri October 17th, 2012 at 7:16 am

    Its sad…and you know what .. I’d stick with the same lineup ! … Swisher and Arod don’t deserve to wear pinstripes much less see the field…… If i could bring up the whole Scranton team and replace these BUMS ( except Martin and Ichiro ) i’d do it in a heartbeat .

    IF we go down… at least we go down with Players that give a F

  12. LGY October 17th, 2012 at 7:16 am

    Give the Yankees offense credit for this much: They’ve fought

    ———

    They have fought? This is one of the most pathetic offensive performances in the history of MLB postseason baseball. Scoring one run in the 9th inning is not fighting. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

  13. LGY October 17th, 2012 at 7:21 am

    @DuranSports: Yankees fan Kobe Bryant on friend A-Rod mental problems “He forgets that he’s one of the best ever to play. I don’t”

  14. Benny Blanco October 17th, 2012 at 7:28 am

    Who are we kidding? CC will pitch his heart out and the yanks will NOT hit. I dont feel good about tonight.

  15. Cashmoney October 17th, 2012 at 7:36 am

    did not watch game 3 last night… but no big surprise they got almost shut out. Game 2 was one of the most pathetic display of hitting i have ever witnessed. this offense needs wholesale changes I think it will start in 14 realistically.

  16. blake October 17th, 2012 at 7:38 am

    ” I don’t think I’ve bunted since I was 11 years old. It’s the same thing if we needed a lefty to get someone out, I’m not gonna go in the bullpen and start throwing left-handed. That’s not what I do. I hit a couple of balls hard off Verlander, but me laying a bunt down is not gonna happen. That’d be desperate.””

    You don’t think this is a desperate situation Tex? Tex has had a nice postseason….he not the problem….but I’ll never understand why he won’t add that to his game for big situations where they need base runners…..it’s a free hit

  17. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 7:38 am

    You can’t win ballgames without an offense.

    My concern is that the Yankee Brass will rationalize this whole thing away and not take the actions needed to fix this.

    They might attempt to blame it on all the injuries too.

    Change is definitely needed. Nothing shows it more clearly than this post season.

    I’m looking forward to the Hot stove season.

    The Pitching has been fantastic.

    Hughes just can’t seem to stay healthy. Now it’s his back.

    What a bummer.

  18. Chambliss October 17th, 2012 at 7:39 am

    Tex’s comments tell you everything that you need to know about him and they are indicative of others on the team. Derek Jeter would hold the bat backwards while standing on his head if it meant he could get a hit in a key situation. He has 3,000 hits and he thinks nothing of bunting when called for.

    Nunez deserves a lot of credit for a great at bat in the 9th, and the same for Gardner. And Cano actually took the ball the other way for a hit…amazing!

    Watching this team struggle has been difficult, but I don’t want the season to end today.

  19. Cashmoney October 17th, 2012 at 7:40 am

    reading tex’s statement make me think this is reflection of the entire offensive mindset of the
    team. refusal to adapt and change. the passion side of me want to be rid of everyone on this offensive team. but rationally, me gonna wait to see what the Yanks do. time enough to hammer CAshman and cohorts.

  20. blake October 17th, 2012 at 7:40 am

    If Scherzer throws strikes the Yanks have almost zero chance to hit him….their only chance is for CC to dominate and the hope Scherzer is out by the 7th so they’ll have a chance against Detroits pen……

  21. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 7:44 am

    Blake-

    The Yankees might win a few (I doubt it) but you and I both know they are not coming all the way back.

    Look forward to the Hot stove and hope that Mgmnt gets it.

    What changes would you make ?

  22. blake October 17th, 2012 at 7:48 am

    “What changes would you make ?”

    Take the offense holds the keys to the kingdom approach…..the lineup needs rebuilt …..

    I’d let Swisher go unless he will take the qualifying offer…..Id trade Granderson ….id is try like crazy to acquire a prime aged bat or two… Upton would be great……Headley makes tons of sense…..they need offense

  23. blake October 17th, 2012 at 7:52 am

    This situation with Arod is gonna be difficult moving forward….pinch hitting for him a time or two was one thing bu now this is becoming embarrassing for Alex….I mean letting Ibanez hit against Coke with the game on the line is so telling as to how Joe feels about Alex and Swisher right now…..

    Not sure what the carry over will be….but wouldn’t surprise me if the Yanks to hard after a new 3B and move Alex to full DH and reduce his PT…..it’ll be interesting

  24. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 7:54 am

    OK Blake.

    I’m sure there’s gonna be plenty of talk about those 2.

    Me. I think the team needs an injection of youth.

    I do that wherever possible. Even though Nunez can be a liability in the field I’d like to see him playing more.

    He’s dynamic on the O side of the ball. They need that.

    I’d also like to see an upgrade at C.

    They should consider trading some of their pitching, etc. for more O.

    Bring back AP, Kuroda, and Ibanez.

    I’d like to see more youth mixed in with the Vets.

  25. RadioKev October 17th, 2012 at 7:57 am

    blake October 17th, 2012 at 7:48 am
    “What changes would you make ?”

    Take the offense holds the keys to the kingdom approach…..the lineup needs rebuilt …..

    I’d let Swisher go unless he will take the qualifying offer…..Id trade Granderson ….id is try like crazy to acquire a prime aged bat or two… Upton would be great……Headley makes tons of sense…..they need offense
    ——–

    I think in all fairness we do have the chance to give the lineup a makeover this off season, mostly because pitching won’t be as big of a priority. If we can sign Pettitte and Kuroda out of the gate, that really solidifies our rotation again.

  26. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 7:57 am

    Blake-

    No idea if A-Rod can find the proper adjustment as Jeter did.

    If he can’t he should not be playing the field everyday and will be relegated to a rt-handed platoon DH to go with a guy like Ibanez.

    Can’t see how the Yankees can accept that though.

    Too many semolians involved.

    Definitely a potential issue going forward.

  27. Cashmoney October 17th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    I think Cashman will be appalled by the asking price of hitting prowess. the tip of balance has swung in favor of hitting for now. in short, you have easier time in acquire pitching in general than hitting imo. too bad Cashman does not see that coming…

  28. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    kev-

    Let’s hope so.

    Retooling seems to be called for at a minimum.

    The Yankees have had a slew of very unfortunate injuries this season.

    It’s almost been like a jinx.

  29. RadioKev October 17th, 2012 at 8:00 am

    I think we can try to make last night’s final at bat a story about A-Rod, but to me, it seems obvious you just let it ride with Ibanez. The season history wasn’t in favor of a lefty-lefty match up, but the guy has delivered in the post season, including a walk off against Matusz.

  30. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 8:01 am

    We all hoped for an O that looked like Atilla the Hun and what we got instead was Betty Crocker.

    :(

  31. blake October 17th, 2012 at 8:03 am

    I do think they have to prioritize bringing back Kuroda an Andy and try to get that done early on…..if they know for sure they have a Sabathia, Kuroda , Pettite , Hughes top 4 rotation to start the year then that gives them more latitude to focus on fixing the offense

    I think it’d be harmful to try and worry about the rotation and the offense at the same time,…Cashman need to get the rotation set early in then spend all his energy up to and beyond the winter meetings engaging in trade talks to fix the offense….

  32. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 8:03 am

    The big elephant in the room is that 4 key guys in the Yankees lineup simply disappeared this PS.

    Talk about anything else you want but that’s the real story this year.

  33. Yankee Trader October 17th, 2012 at 8:03 am

    Good morning-

    Couple questions.

    It’s About the Money earlier claims that “The Best Pitcher in Baseball got some Help.”
    Sam Holbrook was behind the plate.
    Did this seem apparent to you? I saw very little of the game on TV.

    Alex Rodriguez. Do the Yankees put him on the auction block and pay a good chunk of his salary to unload him? He’s got to realize that he’s persona non grata now in NY.

  34. RadioKev October 17th, 2012 at 8:04 am

    MTU October 17th, 2012 at 7:59 am
    kev-

    Let’s hope so.

    Retooling seems to be called for at a minimum.

    The Yankees have had a slew of very unfortunate injuries this season.

    It’s almost been like a jinx.
    ————

    I’m not sure what else they can do besides a retooling. It’s also not easy to just say let Swisher walk and trade Granderson, since their production will need to be replaced. I can go either way on the two, honestly, depends on what this off season looks like.

    I am also a crazy person who thinks Cano should be extended or shopped this off season, so maybe it’s the pot calling the kettle black ;)

  35. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 8:04 am

    Blake-

    Agreed.

    Now let’s hope they do it.

    Show us the money.

    ;)

  36. RadioKev October 17th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    Headley would be interesting, but I’m not sure what it takes to attain him. His value is very high right now.

  37. BIG AL October 17th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    Good morning all.

    Another sad night to watch the Yankees becoming a total joke.

    Many here thought SP was going to be our problem in the PS, how wrong was that!. Any average hitting, and this team would be sweeping the teams they’re facing.

    What I can not understand is Girardi placing the majority of blame on A-Rod, by benching him, and PH for him with Chavez, who’s like 0-15.

    A-Rod had decent numbers against Verlander, and even with his struggles, is a better bet than Chevez.

    I may be alone here, but I want A-Rod in this line-up. If A-Rod sits today, or is pulled for a PH, I’d tell Girardi the next time he put my name in the line-up, to stick that line-up card up his a**.

  38. Cashmoney October 17th, 2012 at 8:06 am

    I see the bro man gets an offer like 2 or 3 at 10 mil per. question is, would he take the qualifying offer. Yanks need to limit their risk by giving short term contract to aging player on this roster period.

  39. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 8:06 am

    YT-

    If A-rod is persona non grata then so should Swisher, Grandy, and Cano be.

    They all didn’t hit a lick in the PS.

    It’s not just A-Rod.

    And yes the umpire had a rather large strike zone.

  40. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    Where do you folks come down on Ichiro ?

    Do we try to bring him back or let him walk ?

  41. Yankee Trader October 17th, 2012 at 8:09 am

    Blake-

    Correct me if I’m wrong. If the Yankees make a qualifying offer to any of the free agents on their team, it’s done immediately following the end of the WS, and the player has 5 days to accept it, or declare themselves free agents.

    Also, doesn’t Soriano/Boras have to decide whether they are going to opt out during that same window? If so, Boras probably already has a good idea of what teams are/ would be interested in him, without getting a tampering charge thrown at them.

  42. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    For me the second saddest thing was Cano’s record breaking post season slump.

    A true disaster. What a shame.

  43. RadioKev October 17th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    Cashmoney October 17th, 2012 at 8:06 am
    I see the bro man gets an offer like 2 or 3 at 10 mil per. question is, would he take the qualifying offer. Yanks need to limit their risk by giving short term contract to aging player on this roster period.
    ———

    No way he gets a small contract like that. Man, us Yankee fans don’t appreciation his production.

    Swisher had a better WAR than Cespedes this season. C’mon.

  44. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 8:11 am

    YT-

    Soriano would be a fool not to opt out.

    Boras is too smart for that.

  45. Cashmoney October 17th, 2012 at 8:11 am

    kev, I don’t know we just have to wait and see. really, just my opinion though.

  46. RadioKev October 17th, 2012 at 8:11 am

    MTU October 17th, 2012 at 8:08 am
    Where do you folks come down on Ichiro ?

    Do we try to bring him back or let him walk ?
    ——–

    Bring him back on our terms ($10m/1 $20m/2) or let him walk.

  47. blake October 17th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Correct me if I’m wrong. If the Yankees make a qualifying offer to any of the free agents on their team, it’s done immediately following the end of the WS, and the player has 5 days to accept it, or declare themselves free agents.”

    Correct

  48. blake October 17th, 2012 at 8:15 am

    MTU says:
    October 17, 2012 at 8:08 am
    Where do you folks come down on Ichiro ?

    If its a one year deal then I want him back….I think he’s found something again and I think he could carry it over…..

  49. Yankee Trader October 17th, 2012 at 8:18 am

    AL-

    Good morning. If Ibanez had been pinch hit for, righty Benoit was coming in and Swisher had better numbers, 3 homers, I believe, against him.

    MTU-

    I agree there are those other players who should also be labled “Persona non grata,” but Swisher is gone thru FA, Granderson and Cano at the moment have club options[they'll be picked up and one or both shopped]. The Yankees are stuck with ARod for FIVE years. Picking up women in YS during games. How do you think this will come down for him for the next 5 years playing 81 games at home, while not producing?

  50. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    OK.

    Sounds like a plan. Make Suzuki a qualifying offer.

    If he walks get get a draft pick.

    If we want Soriano back we are gonna have to pay thru the nose to get him IMO.

    Boras will set up a competition for his services.

  51. Against All Odds October 17th, 2012 at 8:20 am

    short, you have easier time in acquire pitching in general than hitting imo

    —————–

    That’s a good. I think the crack down on LEDs and amphetamines play a large role in that. Pitches no longer have their head beaten to a pulp night after night. Obviously guys are still using but….

  52. Yankee Trader October 17th, 2012 at 8:22 am

    I’m up for bringing Ichiro back for one year and a club option for a 2nd but he’d have to take a large paycut from his 18M that he’s used to getting.

    Don’t see an OF with Gardner and Ichiro both starting with only one power bat.

  53. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 8:23 am

    YT-

    I’m not trying defend A-Rod. Just saying there is plenty of blame to go round this PS.

    Swisher has been a repeated failure in the PS even though he produces during the regular one.

    I definitely shop Granderson in the OS and see what he might bring back.

    Try for and AP and Kuroda and make a package centered around one of our young Pitchers.

  54. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 8:26 am

    By the way YT I’m not convinced Swisher is going.

    Given a choice between him and say Granderson who do you keep ?

    Probably don’t want to lose both.

    If that was my choice I’d probaly opt to keep Swisher at one of the corners.

    GGBG to center and an acquired younger bat for the other corner.

  55. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    For me there are few players who can’t be on the table this OS.

  56. Yankee Trader October 17th, 2012 at 8:28 am

    If you want to wath your budget, do not make ichiro a 13M qualifying offer. He’ll sign it before the ink is dry. No team out there, would pay him that for one year. You’d be betting against yourself.

    As far as Soriano opting out, which I hope he does forgoing 14M, Boras will get him a 3 year contract for less than 14M/year but it would give him security.
    I hope the Yankees don’t pursue him as a FA. He’s hittable.

    Just my two cents, open to “heavy” criticism! :)

  57. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 8:32 am

    YT-

    Time to start the Hot Stove season early.

    Soriano is gonna cost a mint but someone has to close.

    Is Mo coming back ? if he is will he be healthy and effective again ?

    Can D-rob handle it ?

    Is there someone out there who is cheaper who can get it done ?

    All questions that need to be answered before the result can be known ?

  58. sandman October 17th, 2012 at 8:32 am

    what’s frustrating about this postseason is that for a while the FO kept insisting Pitching is the key to the World Series and here we are….great pitching but no pulse in the lineup

  59. mick October 17th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    I may be alone here, but I want A-Rod in this line-up. If A-Rod sits today, or is pulled for a PH, I’d tell Girardi the next time he put my name in the line-up, to stick that line-up card up his a**.
    ======================
    That’s just what they want him to do.

  60. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    Pitching is key but you have to have at least a little hitting.

    4 of our key guys do not even have a pulse.

    If just one of the 4 shows up maybe things are different.

  61. mick October 17th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    Why is anyone surprised by this? Been saying, “Live by the HR , die by lack of it,” all season long.
    Cavez HR signified this, too little too late.
    Ibanez miracle HR’s don’t grow on trees, at least they are limited.

  62. austinmac October 17th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    You can’t offer Ichiro $13 million. He’ll take it, and it is far above his market value.

  63. mick October 17th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    Make that the Nunez HR..

  64. mick October 17th, 2012 at 8:39 am

    Yanks should offer Ichiro 2 years.

  65. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    PS Notes:

    The saddest thing : Jeter going down

    The biggest surprise: Raul

    Biggest diasppoinment : Robbie Cano

    Best hope : Our Pitching and our Farm.

  66. Yankee Trader October 17th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    MTU-

    I know your stance on those players, and I agree.

    Swisher will only take the qualifing offer, if there is a “handshake” agreement in place that he will get an extension done this offseason. Otherwise he’s testing FA. Someone would pay/offer him at least one year for 13M, but he’ll get a minimum of 3 years.

    Granderson-Would he and a pitcher[Nova, Phelps}, bring back a Justin Upton, a Chase Headly, etc. Does that make the team better?

    Will Cashman listen to offers fr Cano or hand up the phone. You know Boras already is printing up his 300 page dossier on Robinson Cano-”The Greatest Second Baseman Ever to Play the Game of Baseball,” preparing to find him a 7-10 year mega million dollar, next 200M plus deal. 2014 just around the corner.

    And then there’s ARod. Will he have the decency to walk away from millions and just retire early if he no longer is up to contributing as one of the greatest players ever? How long do you just hang on when you are only a “shell” of your former self? Would you? I would, if I still could have a job in the front office, on the field, in the booth, etc.

  67. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    Next spring Dave Adams is gonna get a shot at 3rd.

  68. hman23 October 17th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    And what exactly has Chavez done to deserve to start over ARod? It is one thing to have pinch hit for him in a game, but I think Girardi is going overboard. If Chavez was swinging a good bat, I could see it, but the guy does not have a hit this post season. In ARod’s last AB in game 2, he had a hit the other way, I believe. Usually people say that is a sign that one may be coming out of his funk. Why not let him try to build off that rather than bench him?

  69. Yankee Trader October 17th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    *qualifying* Please excuse my spelling mistakes this morning. I hope I don’t accidently type in a banned word this morning. :(

  70. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 8:51 am

    YT-

    Absolutely make an offer to Swisher one way or another.

    If he goes we can certainly use the extra draft pick.

    I do not think the D’backs would have any interest in Grandy.
    Doubt the pads would either. Too old and too expensive.

    So no trades possible with that combo.

    Despite his disappointing PS Cano is not going anywhere IMO.

    No idea if A-rod makes a jeterian-type adjustment or not.

    The guy we see now if not much more than a rt-handed, 30 Million dollar DH platoon player. That sucks.

    Time for some changes to the O. Past due now.

  71. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 8:53 am

    Cashman.

    FOCUS on the O this OS.

    Like a laser beam dude.

    ;)

  72. Yankee Trader October 17th, 2012 at 8:53 am

    Did the order to start Chavez come from above? Above Girardi’s pay grade?

    Will the front office and owners fire Girardi, rather than fire the entire offense, and make him the scapegoat?

    What will ARod say to the media/press once this offseason starts?

  73. Tackelberry October 17th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    Message to the Tigers: DO NOT LET THE YANKS WIN TONIGHT! Put them to sleep when you got the chance. Cause, the win tonight, got Pettite in game 5. Fister won’t be so lucky this time. Then Kuroda in game 6 on extra rest, then in game 7, anything can happen. Verlander throew 130 pitches last night. Can he do it again 5 days later in a so or die game?

  74. Hassey October 17th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    I hope it’s only for a short window of time, but it will be strange and frustrating for the Yankees to only be part of the field again, instead of finishing in the money

  75. Yankee Trader October 17th, 2012 at 8:58 am

    MTU-

    I’m ready to see some of the Baby Bombers in pinstripes next season, but the best ones are in AA or lower.

    Need YF, JAP and others who watch the minor leagues closely, to give their input on who can and should be given a chance to make the parent club.

  76. blake October 17th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    I just like Ichiro….I like how he plays the game….I

  77. Hassey October 17th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Tackel doing his best to channel his inner Kevin Millar…but not gonna happen when your lineup is in disrepair and you have almost no chance to score

  78. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    YT-

    I see very few guys whose names should not be put on the table this OS.

    As far as MiLB guys go. Adams definitely deserves a shot.

    He is healthy now and can hit and field.

    Plays 2B/3B.

    Some of our guys might be able to move along a bit faster.

    Austin might be one of them.

    They need a way to work Nunez’s bat and speed into the equation.

    Hope GGBG can stay healthy.

    Less emphasis on raw power and more on speed and youth.

    Bring in a new OF’er. One of Grandy/Swisher probably shouldn’t be here next season.

    Use our excess pitching to get some of what we want.

  79. Yankee Trader October 17th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    New Post————->

  80. MTU October 17th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    New thread —–>

  81. Frankg October 17th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    They need players with more fire. They play like a bunch of corporate grey suiters just putting in another day as “professionals”. It’s been a problem all season and nothing has been done. They lost a potential catalyst in Nunez for a while and they seem to need his presence. Ibanez has been a breath of fresh air. He can actually come thru when the chips are down and has some passion. It could be Girardi’s fault. He has a degree in Industrial Engineering. Does that sound like passion?

    They should try Gardner in center. Granderson is a HR hitting left fielder if I ever saw one. Swisher can easily be replaced by a younger guy who can field, throw, and has speed. He won’t get any better and can’t be relied on in the clutch.

    I’ve never seen a bunch of professional hitters who can’t hit in the clutch. The hitting coach’s job should be in jepardy

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