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Postgame notes: “We just didn’t play well”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Oct 18, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

There was a sense of stunned reality in the Yankees clubhouse. Everyone understood exactly what happened, but no one seemed to know why or how.

“We have a lot of things to be proud of this year, but the last four games weren’t among them,” Mark Teixeira said. “We just didn’t play well. We didn’t’ play Yankee baseball, and it showed.”

What is Yankee baseball exactly?

“Basically our team is built around power and plate discipline, and obviously what comes in between are the walks and the singles and the doubles,” Brian Cashman said. “We’ve had (postseason success that way). We’ve had the success. I’ve lived it. You know what, we got here for a reason too. Despite how our offense performed here, this team is here for a reason. We’re honored to be in the American League Championship Series. We’re disappointed that we’re not moving forward. We feel that we did not utilize to the best of our abilities our strengths and be able to put that step forward in this particular series. … Is that something that will all of a sudden define what they really are or what this offense really is? No, it’s not going to.”

Some of the nuts and bolts of this thing are indisputable.

The Yankees hit just .157 in the American League Championship Series. That’s the second-worst team batting average of all 172 teams to compete in an ALCS since 1969. The Yankees snapped their record streak of 36 consecutive postseason series without being swept (one other franchise, the Cardinals, has even played in the in that many postseason series). The Yankees played 39 innings this series and scored in three of them. Their two runs in the final three games were scored by Eduardo Nunez, a guy who wasn’t even on the active roster for Game 1.

“I’ve got to tell you, the last two weeks were very difficult for everyone,” Alex Rodriguez said. “It wasn’t just one guy struggling. It was a collective group and it was a very unique situation. Since I’ve been here in my nine years I don’t think there was a period where everyone struggled at the same time.”

It happened this series, and really, it happened the entire postseason. Five Yankees regulars — Rodriguez, Robinson Cano, Nick Swisher, Curtis Granderson and Russell Martin — hit below .200 this postseason. The two guys who replaced them — Brett Gardner and Eric Chavez — went hitless in 24 at-bats.

“There are a lot of good hitters in that room,” Joe Girardi said. “And to be able to shut a lot of them down is very surprising to me. And some of the guys that replaced other guys are good big league players that have had a lot of success in their career. Collectively we weren’t able to get it done.”

That much was clear. It’s going to take me a few hours to sort through everything that was said in that clubhouse, and it’s going to take all of us a few days to sort through what exactly happened this postseason, but the reality was unmistakable. The Yankees didn’t hit, and they paid the price for it.

“They’re better hitters than that,” Cashman said. “You know that. I know that. We’ve seen that. That’s a fact. There’s no dispute I don’t care who wants to argue what to me. What we saw in this series – and during the Baltimore series despite getting past them – on the offensive side isn’t a fair, accurate depiction of the capabilities of those players. It’s just not. … We didn’t want our winter to start just yet. Unfortunately, it’s coming sooner than we wanted.”

I’m sure we’ll dig deeper into these issues in the coming days, but just to quickly hit on some of the more pressing issues at the moment…

Will Alex Rodriguez be back?
Cashman said he expects Rodriguez back, and Rodriguez finished his postgame interview by saying he absolutely will be back.

“That’s correct,” he said. “I will be back, and I have a lot to prove, and I will come back on a mission.”

Rodriguez said he hold no hard feelings toward Girardi or Cashman for their collective decision to bench him this postseason.

“I know it was difficult for Joe, and I know that Joe didn’t want to sit me,” Rodriguez said. “It’s something that’s not easy for him. But again, if I do what I do, Joe doesn’t have a choice. Neither does Cashman. Neither does anybody. If I am who I know I can be, then they’ll worry about other guys. So my job is to work extremely hard, prepare and help be a force.”

Is Andy Pettitte going to retire?
Pettitte was supposed to pitch tomorrow. Instead, tomorrow will be the first day of another uncertain offseason. Pettitte said he wants to make his decision — retire or come back — more quickly than he did two years ago.

“I would love to think about it maybe for a month or so,” he said. “Think about what I want to do, definitely not jump to a conclusion. But as I was saying, it’s a huge commitment at this stage of my life, where I’m at. … I definitely miss parts of (being home), there’s no doubt about it. But I was sold out and committed to this, and absolutely committed to being here. And I want to make sure if I do this, I’m absolutely sold out and committed to it.”

Does this postseason mean Kevin Long’s job is on the line?
Cashman made it perfectly clear that he didn’t blame the Yankees coaching staff for the team’s postseason performance, and he expects to have the full coaching staff back next season.

“Do I anticipate that? Yes,” Cashman said. “Have we had a chance to sit back, and have I had a chance to talk to my manager about it and everything? No, I haven’t done that. Do I anticipate changes right now? I don’t anticipate that. But that doesn’t mean there won’t be.”

After his fan comments, does Nick Swisher want to be back next year?
Back in the lineup for Game 4, Swisher had the RBI double that drove in the only Yankees run. He also said he wants to be back next season.

“Absolutely,” Swisher said. “… (The last four years were) awesome, absolutely awesome, bro. Best place in the world to play, absolutely.”

Do the Yankees have a clear free agent priority this winter?
“I have preferences and things of that nature,” Cashman said. “But I have not talked to Hal Steinbrenner, and so until I have conversations with Hal about everything, it makes no sense to start pushing who’s important or more important than others. There’s too much pain right now that exists here, and I don’t need to start on that process just yet.”

• CC Sabathia pitched a complete game to get the Yankees into the ALCS. Tonight, he couldn’t pitch out of the fourth inning. “It’s embarrassing to me to be able to come out and not give our team a chance to win,” Sabathia said. “I pride myself on trying to give us a chance and I didn’t do that tonight.”

• What was wrong with Sabathia? “I felt great,” he said. “I just couldn’t command the ball on the inside part of the plate to the righties. … I was terrible today. I didn’t make pitches. Changeup was a non factor. Fastball command wasn’t good. They put some good at-bats together. It kind of is what it is.”

• Cashman said the Yankees will have Sabathia’s left elbow examined this offseason just to make sure there’s no lingering damage in there. They have no indication that there’s something wrong — Sabathia said he’s fine — but the Yankees want to make sure. Cashman said the team has a full list of potential injuries to double check this winter. That’s pretty standard for the team each postseason.

• Two Yankees hitters came out of this series looking especially good: Raul Ibanez and Eduardo Nunez. Ibanez’s clutch hits made a case for another year as a platoon DH/outfielder and Nunez’s past two games — home run, triple, stolen base — made the case for another chance on the big league roster. “I feel confident all the time,” Nunez said. “I hope to make the team (next year), but we’ll see.”

• Ichiro Suzuki also had a pretty good postseason, leading the team with 11 hits and tied for the team lead with five RBI. Would he consider coming back to the Yankees? ?It just ended today, and like I’ve said before, I just want to be that player that is needed and wanted,” Ichiro said. “And that’s all I can tell you today.”

• Perhaps no more puzzling player this postseason than Robinson Cano, who’s had postseason success in the past and ended the regular season as the hottest hitter in baseball. “That one is kind of baffling for me,” Girardi said. “Because we have seen the type of hitter that Robbie Cano is.”

• Sabathia clearly didn’t have it tonight. Why didn’t Girardi pull him after the Cabrera home run in the fourth? “He had Fielder, and he got Fielder out and looked pretty sharp on that,” Girardi said. “I had Eppley up. I wasn’t hesitant, but I have a lot of confidence in CC.”

• Girardi found a time to pinch hit Rodriguez against the lefty who had just entered the game in the sixth inning. Rodriguez wound up 0-for-2. “That’s why I sent him up there, (because) you are guaranteed a spot against him. against the left-handed pitcher,” Girardi said. “He swung the bat good off (lefties) all year long, and it didn’t happen.”

• Bad defensive inning for Mark Teixeira in the third. It wound up costing them a run, but it’s hard to say it cost them the game. “The first one’s a do-or-die,” Teixeira said. “If I back up on it, there’s no chance I get it. I went in to get it, and it got past me. The second one, it’s a ball that 9 out of 10, it hops up right to you and it’s not a big deal. But it just hopped up a little too much, and I missed it.”

• Final word goes to Cashman: “We’re going to keep fighting. The one thing I know that the Yankees stand for and we’ve tried to stand for is, we’re always going to get back. We’re going to promise we’re going to do our best. We’re going to try as hard as we can. Some years obviously we have more success than others, but you can count on us trying to stay in it to win it. That’s all I can say. That’s the Steinbrenner philosophy which is do anything you can to make sure that team is competitive and the fans of New York have a belief that this team has a chance to do something special. That belief existed again this year and we fell short of our goal and we’re sorry about that. We’re going to go fight again next year for it and try to be the last team standing. Unfortunately we weren’t able to finish that off this year.”

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123 Responses to “Postgame notes: “We just didn’t play well””

  1. Against All Odds October 18th, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    OldYanksFan October 18th, 2012 at 11:42 pm

    Mr. Glove,

    Again, over 162 games, the Yankees Won 95, 3rd best record in MLB. and were:

    1st in HRs
    1st in SLG
    1st in OPS
    2nd in OBP
    2nd in RS
    3rd in BB

    That is the best and most balanced offense in baseball.
    If you don’t think so, tell me why.
    And that was with more guys having down years, rather then up years.

    It’s a bully offense. Their all or nothing approach is the issue when it comes to the line-up.

  2. G. Love October 18th, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    Memo to Cashman; You put the same offense out there minus Nick Swisher and I have absolutely no belief that this team has a chance to do something special.

    They’ve been building towards this post season for 3 years offensively. This ALCS was the turd floating on top of the raw sewage.

    But let’s quote stats against below average starters, middle relievers and bad pitching to prop us up.

    This offense was mediocre since the ASB and were fortunate they had a scorching hot June.

  3. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 18th, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    Here’s the deal: Cashman traded away key members of the future core that would have provided the situational hitting and youth sorely needed:


    He didn’t fight hard enough to veto the Aroid contract extension after AL opted out of his original contract.

    Didn’t provide proper development of Nunez as he has mucho talent.

  4. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 18th, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    The real question is why Nick Johnson wasn’t re-signed? :)

  5. JobaTipsHisCap October 18th, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    At least cards win!

  6. Against All Odds October 18th, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    It’s not where even he expected it to be?
    (First off I’d ash how you know were Cashman ‘expected’ it to be)

    So if you have crappy picks, or lose picks in 2005, it hurts your 2010 team.

    We are are dead last, 30th of 30 in picks, and ADDITONALLY lost many additonal picks via FA.
    where would you EXPECT our farm to be?
    Last… right?

    Remember: You can NOT BUY Draft picks at Walmart (well… maybe a few Chinese ones).


    When Cashman changed the philosophy of the org. his goal was to use the minors as a pipeline. Similar to the Braves of the 90′s. This is a man that believed the big 3 would anchor the rotation for yrs to come with Melancon being a force in the pen, and guys like Brackman giving them top of the rotation production. Has he had a few bright spots sure but it’s no where near the pipeline he envisioned.

    People bring up the draft position all the time but players can be found in many different rounds in the draft. Where was Stanton drafted or how about Shields or Kemp?

  7. Captain Clutch October 18th, 2012 at 11:57 pm

    Cashman has to make the offense a priority this off season. He has ignored it and plain out been in denial the last 3 years. The approach this season was absolutely terrible. Unless he makes a big trade for a right handed bat it’s going to be hard to fix the offense in the short term. There isn’t that perfect fit free agent and Cashman doesn’t use the farm system wisely. It’s probably going to take a couple of years to fix.

    Hopefully they bring Ichiro back. Swisher is gone. I am sure that Martin will be back because they are obsessed with him. Now they just have to find a new LFer.

  8. G. Love October 18th, 2012 at 11:58 pm


    I go to many games. Over the past 3 years, the hitting skills of this team have eroded. I don’t care what the stats tell you. This team cannot hit breaking/off speed pitches and the second a guy with an average breaking ball faces them they fall to pieces.

    The reason why they score is not too many pitchers have average breaking balls. A lot of back end starters and middle relievers have fastballs which this lineup can hit most of the time.

    But if they have a curve, change, slider, splitter, etc., these guys can’t lay off those pitches and can’t put them in play.

    If the offensive rankings for this team carried any weight, they wouldn’t have had a historically bad post season offensively.

    They live and die by HR’s and treat batting average like it’s a meaningless stat.

    But they compile enough stats to look all world to people who watch the game on paper. When you watched this current group in real life it wasn’t hard to predict this outcome.

  9. jacksquat October 19th, 2012 at 12:02 am

    Cashman is right about one thing, if this is even just mediocre instead of horrible, their postseason situation is much better right now. These guys should have been able to be mediocre, even with a postseason drop in performance.

    But you can’t have a lineup full of just “big hairy beasts”. Especially if they aren’t all that beastly.

  10. jacksquat October 19th, 2012 at 12:02 am

    this *offense*

  11. fantasygame101 October 19th, 2012 at 12:02 am

    cashman forgot the 1998 -2000 formula. those team was not built on hr but fundamentals and clutch hitting. the 2009 version took the heroics of matsui to pull it through plus the arod anomality. The power and patience approach does and will not work bec. they were not even close to the world series aside from 2009.

  12. G. Love October 19th, 2012 at 12:05 am

    And to be frank, regardless of regular season records, the Tigers are a better built team offensively. Their 3-4-5 hitters make our guys look like AAA hitters in comparison. You actually fear their hitters coming up.

    No pitcher feared any Yankees this season save Ibanez towards the end because he kept pulling rabbits out of his hat.

  13. Captain Clutch October 19th, 2012 at 12:07 am

    I think it’s time to make Arod the full time DH and let him play 3rd base when someone else needs a DH day. Hopefully that will keep him healthy and more productive. I think Cashman assuming that he can play 3rd base and stay healthy another year is really foolish. He gets hurt every year now and his defense started to slip this year also. It’s time to move on.

  14. Captain Clutch October 19th, 2012 at 12:15 am

    Obviously if Arod doesn’t hit righties next year then he is the most expensive bench player ever. They have to inject some speed and contact into this lineup. The homerun guys are nice but you can’t have 8 of them. Nunez went up there swinging the bat and making contact while the older guys swung through every pitch. This is going to be a project but it must start this off season. Cashman can’t keep delaying it.

  15. Frozen Rope II October 19th, 2012 at 12:20 am

    Please stop with the ‘they won 95 games bit’ this team played great for one third of a season and peaked in mid july before and after that they were utterly mediocre

  16. G. Love October 19th, 2012 at 12:21 am

    The Yankees have to deal Arod if it’s all humanly possible this offseason.

    They can’t afford to take the risk that if he comes back and proves his decline vs. RHP is valid that he’ll become completely untradeable in baseball.

    If a team is willing to take him in exchange for salary or for the Yankees to eat a portion of what’s left, they almost have to do it.

    Betting on him and losing next season means they will end up eating 80 something million in those last 4 years when they may have a chance to end up eating far less by dealing him proactively.

  17. Frozen Rope II October 19th, 2012 at 12:24 am

    Sounds like cashman of on denial over this offense. dont expect any changes folks. Expect granderson back and another bit part or two

  18. Frozen Rope II October 19th, 2012 at 12:25 am

    *is in denial

    God I hate the swype on android

  19. G. Love October 19th, 2012 at 12:32 am

    Frozen Rope ll,

    If that is truly his plan it’s going to be met with a collective yawn by the fanbase and in ticket sales.

  20. Triple Short of a Cycle October 19th, 2012 at 12:33 am

    Does anyone actually think the Yanks will make any significant moves of note this off season?

  21. Frozen Rope II October 19th, 2012 at 12:37 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle says: October 19, 2012 at 12:33 am Does anyone actually think the Yanks will make any significant moves of note this off season?
    id be happy with a bit signing like torii hunter and getting rid of swisher and granderson

  22. Bronx Jeers October 19th, 2012 at 12:40 am

    No autopsy necessary when you shoot yourself in the head.

    Swish would be stupid to rule the Yanks out of picture at this point but at this point are other teams even afraid to bid against them?

    Granderson has to be the 1st 40+HR/100+RBI guy that I don’t want to see return. 195Ks vs 138 hits. Horrendous.

  23. Captain Clutch October 19th, 2012 at 12:47 am

    I think Granderson will be back for 1 more year and then they will let him leave as a free agent. His option is $13m and the buy out is $2m. So in Cashman’s eyes you get 40 homeruns for only $11m. But the strike outs and non contact is really a concern. The Yanks have a lot of homerun guy but only one middle of the order hitter in Cano. That’s a problem and it needs to be fixed.

  24. Jerkface October 19th, 2012 at 12:50 am

    His option is 15 million due to MVP voting. Still a deal. Highly tradeable contract and good value for money.

  25. Bronx Jeers October 19th, 2012 at 12:52 am

    Actually his option will cost $15MM. The extra 2mil kicked in when he made the all-star team.

    His AB’s down the stretch made my blood boil.

  26. Captain Clutch October 19th, 2012 at 12:57 am

    Sorry I thought it was $13m. That is still cheap for the homeruns and defense that you get. Except for when he comes in on the ball instead of going back. That drove me crazy. They will pick up the option and if a trade or something better comes along they can trade him easy.

  27. Against All Odds October 19th, 2012 at 12:57 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle says: October 19, 2012 at 12:33 am Does anyone actually think the Yanks will make any significant moves of note this off season?


    Take the quote below along with his quotes from yesterday and no don’t expect significant moves.

    BryanHoch Yankees GM Brian Cashman said that he anticipates his coaches coming back. Called Kevin Long “one of the best hitting coaches in the game.”

  28. Bronx Jeers October 19th, 2012 at 1:05 am

    K Long’s star pupils just bombed on the final exam.

  29. tucker October 19th, 2012 at 1:42 am

    That’s about as defensive as I’ve heard Cashman. Clearly, he knows the problems of this offense: lack of bat speed and a lack of good hitting.

    If the Yanks can somehow unload ARod’s contract to provide more spending flexibility, then that will remove a huge obstacle toward rebuilding this offense. If not, expect more of the same.

    ARod is not the only problem, but he is the most expensive problem.

  30. Bo knows October 19th, 2012 at 2:11 am

    G Love
    Good posts.

    I still think that A Rod can adjust to his declining bat speed. Prior to his injury he had seemed to stabilize.

    Totally true that the Yankees numbers are made up by feasting on first innings and second rate mid innings relievers. I lost track of how many times they’d score in the first inning and then zeros till the seventh. And then there is the record of futility when behind in the eighth.

    They cannot compete with above average pitching due to slow bat speed and or bad approach.

    This post season, they just couldn’t compete. Historically bad offense. Take away the Ibanez heroics and they win one game, and that’s with quality pitching.

  31. jimmy1138 October 19th, 2012 at 2:28 am

    If they keep Kevin Long they’ll experience one postseason after another like that. Plain and simple.
    Not a surprise that the only guys who could hit the ball (i.e. Jeter, Ichiro and Ibanez) were those whose swing he hadn’t ruined. And he almost messed up Jeter’s swing last year.

  32. Nick in SF October 19th, 2012 at 2:29 am

    Swisher, he’s a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer, dead! Granderson… I’m still not sure about. Arod? Talk to the Puppetmasters.

  33. yankeebc October 19th, 2012 at 2:54 am

    I wish I could feel angry about the Yanks’ miserable play, but as my late, great mother-in-law would have said: “They’re more to be pitied than scolded.”

  34. OldYanksFan October 19th, 2012 at 3:14 am

    Mr. GLove
    Honestly…. do you understand Math?
    Do you understand that ‘stats’ are simply an historical accounting of what actally happened?
    The Yankees were 2nd in Runs Scored and the Tigers were 11th.
    The Yankees were 1st in OPS and the Tigers were 7th.
    And the Tigers played more games against lesses competition.
    This is not theory. This ACTUALLY HAPPENED!

    So those stats, those recordings of actual events, tell us hte Yankees were a far better offensive team then the Tigers.

    Here are some other stats.
    The World is round, not flat.
    The Sun rises in the East, not the North.
    Do you prefer opinion over fact?
    Do you prefer perception over History?

  35. Locke October 19th, 2012 at 3:48 am

    Congrats to the Yankees on making it to tha ALCS. It was a tough week but I will really miss baseball and this blog for the next five months. Have a great holiday season everybody. :)

  36. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 19th, 2012 at 4:12 am

    Wish I could sleep. I definitely ate something that is still sitting on my stomach and so I’m up. And naturally I’m pretty distracted. I couldn’t bring myself to watch SportsCenter or the postgame earlier. I DVRd SportsCenter and taped YES. I just watched what parts of SC that I wanted to. It’s still like an out-of-body experience.

    I’d bet my bottom dollar Arod will be back. I believe he can be a strong player again. I can’t define it beyond that.

    I’ll say one thing. No matter how powerful our players are, if they don’t learn how to do more than hit homers, and if they don’t learn how and when to pull it in and sacrifice guys over, bunt, etc. – and put it into play – we can have the best and most powerful and fall short, especially when the power surge isn’t happening.

    Anyone can learn the basics. But they’ve got to be taught to do it.

    I hope that Andy feels he has unfinished business. Not sure he will.

    I go back to what nick said. The disappointment is knowing that this team should have gone so much further based on the talent they had.

  37. NYYanksFan October 19th, 2012 at 4:38 am

    And while A-Rod blamed two weeks of postseason futility at the plate, saying it “sucked the energy out of us,” another player privately made a far more indicting observation: that the ballclub was affected by the hostility from the fans at Yankee Stadium last weekend.

    “I really think the booing spooked a lot of guys,” the player said. “A lot of guys hadn’t been booed before, and they couldn’t believe how nasty it got in the stands.”

    Obviously Nick Swisher admitted to being sensitive to such treatment after Game 2, but the player said Swisher was far from alone in his reaction.

    “A lot of guys were talking about it in the clubhouse,” he said. “I was surprised by how much it bothered them. I really don’t think they ever recovered.”

  38. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 19th, 2012 at 4:40 am

    Maybe the team loses its creative juices when it doesn’t have to contend with the Sux. Maybe the Sux always helped them to hone and keep that competitive edge.

    Well, I’m nothing if not creative. And you never know when that creativity is going to hit a homer!

    Think I’ll try to get some shut eye.

    You know what’s painful? Watching those we used to consider “the kids” age before our very eyes. For some many years we built our team around them. It’s hard to imagine a new wave without them as part of it.

  39. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 19th, 2012 at 4:47 am

    “I really think the booing spooked a lot of guys,” the player said. “A lot of guys hadn’t been booed before, and they couldn’t believe how nasty it got in the stands.”

    Obviously Nick Swisher admitted to being sensitive to such treatment after Game 2, but the player said Swisher was far from alone in his reaction.

    “A lot of guys were talking about it in the clubhouse,” he said. “I was surprised by how much it bothered them. I really don’t think they ever recovered.”


    Well now, that’s going to cause some controversy because there are posters here who believe it is their God-given right to boo the team they purport to support. After all, they pay for their salaries – or whatever the reasons are.

    I’m part of the team that detests booing. You know, it’s tough to motivate people by kicking the crap out of them?

    Good job Bronx. Hopefully every player will be attracted to coming to the home where they know that support comes only when they are performing like wind-up toys.

    Bring on the “booing’s been there forever,” “if they can’t take booing they don’t belong here,” yada yada yada crowd.

    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. No, I’m not saying that the Yankees lost the ALCS because they were booed. But apparently it didn’t help.

    Good job Bronx!

  40. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 19th, 2012 at 4:54 am

    Oh yeah? Do you know which team’s fans have the reputation of never booing their players but always supporting them?

    If you said the Cards, you would be correct.

    Hmmm. The Cards.

    Keep booing Bronx. Let them know you love them and you’re behind them through thick and thin. That’ll help them to hit better every time.

    The answer? Of course not. Part of the formula? Ask the Cards. (Oh you’re saying the reason the Cards keep making it back to the postseason is because their fans don’t boo. Right? It has nothing to do with talent, right?)

    I can hear it now. “It’s the umpiring, it’s the booing, it’s everything but the team.”

    No, but it’s all in there.


    I just made my decision. If the Cards make it they’ll be the teams I root for for two reasons. I’m still looking for Kenny Rogers karma, and I respect the Cards’ fans – far more than I respect the booing hoarde that calls itself “fans.”

  41. Tidrow October 19th, 2012 at 5:58 am

    Didn’t know the Yankees were so sensitive. Maybe the front office should institute a no booing policy with offenders being led out of Yankee stadium in handcuffs. That’s the problem with this team in a nutshell. They are not mentally tough. You think this is the first team to ever get booed in Yankee stadium? Please. I would love to find out who the crybabies were who couldn’t handle the booing and give them a one way ticket out of the greatest place to play baseball on earth where fans unlike management and some fans hold them accountable for their failures.

  42. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 19th, 2012 at 6:10 am

    “That’s the problem with this team in a nutshell. They are not mentally tough. ”

    Maybe the problem is that the booing hoarde is made up of spoiled rotten self-entitled brats who ONLY show their “fandom” when the team is winning.

    In one of the games at the Stadium the camera was panning the fans as they were booing and all I could think of was how absolutely ugly they looked, physically ugly, as they stood there booing. A stadium of “tough” guys who probably wouldn’t be able to hit a ball if it came and jumped up and hit the bat.

    I don’t know how any Yankee player can ever utter the words “These are the greatest fans in the world” and mean it. No these are the greatest fans – as long as you’re winning. When you’re not, they’re your worst enemies.

    A fair-weather hoarde.

    That said, it’s a total aside to everything else.

    Are the Cards mentally tough? They’re probably on their way to another world series. I bet they can say “These are the greatest fans in the world” and mean it.

  43. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 19th, 2012 at 6:19 am

    And let me repeat before the naked face eater twists everything I’m saying around. I am NOT saying the booing is the reason the Yankees lost the ALCS. So don’t go off on that tangeant. I was responding to what someone linked to and giving my own personal opinion on booing. You don’t have to agree obviously. I do see it as disloyal and deleterious to production, but I also know it has been around from time immemorial – which still doesn’t make it right.

  44. rr212 October 19th, 2012 at 6:26 am

    I guess all the booing from the yankee fans in detroit also was the reason they didn’t play well. Haha. Unreal. Phillies fans do it. Boston fans do it. Its called passionate fan bases. The best fans in the world are in the NE. They don’t sit on their hands. I’m not exonerating it, but these guys are pros who get paid a lot to deal with all types of pressure. They know this going in. If they can’t deal with it then they are mental midgets.this same team struggled to hit in the playoffs last year. It appears some of them are looking for excuses. This is really a non-issue. So absurd. They clearly played horrendously and its on them, no one else. Enough already.

  45. Villa Nova-Ya October 19th, 2012 at 6:31 am

    Good morning Trisha -

    I am with you on this. This has been going on for several years now – before the new stadium was built. The crowd at YS has become a “show me” crowd.

    It was an embarrassment to watch, and to hear the announcers call the stadium crowd “theatrical” – meaning sitting at a baseball game as if they were in a theater.

    In the playoffs, one can assume that each of the teams is there for a reason – they bested the rest over a 162 game period no matter how they did it (peaks, valleys, or whatever) and therefore they each have a chance to win. So, a team needs every advantage it can have.

    The Yankees fans with their booing took away the 10th man on the team. They took away what should be what home field advantage is all about. Maybe the stuck up spoiled Yankees fans need to have rally towels and the like that other teams hand out. Because they seem to have forgotten that part of being a fan is trying to rally the troops so to speak. There was no 10th man in Yankee stadium.

    That being said, that’s not why they lost. And while it may have surprised guys on the team, I highly doubt that the booing caused them to stop hitting – I mean they were in Detroit for the last two games. Saying it surprised them does not indicate mental weakness. That’s laughable. But it sure would have been nice for them to feel that their hometown crowd was on their side. Perhaps they DON’T read Lohud, because they would not have been surprised had they been reading this blog. Even after they won in 2009 this place was laced with criticism.

    No team is perfect.

    I am incredibly disappointed in the way this season ended. I agree with G Love that in spite of all the great stats, this team has a lot of trouble hitting breaking pitches and the problem has gotten worse over the last couple of seasons. But this was a team that won 95 games, and accomplished all that Old Yankees Fan listed, in spite of most of the players having down years, and in spite of MAJOR components of the team being on the disabled list at every point during the season. This team had heart and it had grit and I applaud their regular season effort, and their effort during the Orioles ALDS. I applaud the pitching in the ALCS that gave the team every chance to win until yesterday (CC had no chance after he had the rainout which gave him the extra day which is never good for him).

    I know changes are coming. It’s a with a broken heart I look to the off-season and the possibilities of next season. But I never question the heart of this team. The ability to hit breaking pitches, yes. Their heart? NO!

    And Yankee fans need to look at every other team’s fans during these playoff games. It is non-stop cheering because they realize that EVEN JUST GETTING TO THE PLAYOFFS is something to be proud of and celebrated. Not derided because it’s not the WS yet.

  46. Yankees_Fan October 19th, 2012 at 6:32 am

    We need less A-Rods and more Nuñezs. That’s not exactly against the idea of keeping A-Rod, who handled himself gracefully in the middle of a nasty situation. I believe his words that he will be on a mission to prove everybody wrong that he is finished, and as a proud player I think he will succeed even if that isnt as a #4.

    What I mean is, we need more people that simply want to have a good at bat and aren’t taking crazy hero swings for homeruns. That’s a reason why I think Granderson is a goner. Its not bad to have guys swinging for a homer, but then balance it with many guys swinging for contact and simply putting the ball in play.

    Maybe A-Rod is now forced to become a guy like that, cutting on his swing and becoming a nice #2. Don’t know, but guys like Jeter, Ichiro and Nuñez are necessary to balance guys like A-Rod, Teixeira and Cano.

    Really believe guys like Granderson, Swisher (who i like) and Martin should be goners. Id also consider moving Gardner if he can’t show he has a consistent bat to go with his good speed.

  47. Yankees_Fan October 19th, 2012 at 6:37 am

    Really? Now booing is the topic?

    The Yankees lost for a simple reason: they were historically ineffective at the plate. Their pitching and defense was mostly good, but they shut down on offense. They weren’t shut down, which makes matters worse for us fans.

    I think we really need at least 3-4 new batters in the lineup and focus on guys who hit for percentage and contact than for power.

    We need to build a team for the playoffs, not for the regular season.

  48. Villa Nova-Ya October 19th, 2012 at 6:46 am

    Yankees_Fan -

    Yes. That is the reason they lost. No one is disputing that.

    But booing was brought up and it’s something that has bothered me so I commented. That’s what a blog is for, right? Or is it just to show how smart we are with our trade proposals and critiques of Yankees (in)abilities?

    And if you don’t build a team for the regular season, you don’t even sniff the playoffs. Especially in the AL East where if you don’t win 95 games, you probably don’t get to the playoffs, either. The AL Central – a totally different story. Maybe we should rally to have the Yankees considered a Central team???

    There is nothing wrong with hitting HRs. And the theory of power and patience is a good one, but there was not nearly enough patience this year. Too many swings and misses by too many hitters. So that needs to be addressed.

    A team wins 95 games, the best in their league, and it is poo-poohed because they didn’t get them in a particular way. A team wins 95 games in spite of all manner of things going wrong, and it is poo-poohed. Oh, well.

  49. Triple Short of a Cycle October 19th, 2012 at 6:52 am

    I’d rather make the playoffs 2 out of every 5 years and have a real shot at winning it all then make it every year and have no shot

  50. Villa Nova-Ya October 19th, 2012 at 6:55 am

    Triple Short -


    Cause 2008 wasn’t a beloved year.

  51. Villa Nova-Ya October 19th, 2012 at 6:56 am

    Triple Short -

    That was unnecessarily snarky. I’m sorry.

  52. Triple Short of a Cycle October 19th, 2012 at 6:57 am


    Cause 2008 wasn’t a beloved year.


    Well that just shows how spoiled Yankee fans have become then.

    I’m a NY Giant fan and they don’t make it every year but when they do they have a great shot to win it all

  53. sunny615 October 19th, 2012 at 7:04 am


  54. sunny615 October 19th, 2012 at 7:05 am

    All of them.

  55. Villa Nova-Ya October 19th, 2012 at 7:06 am

    Triple Short -

    It’s just hard to believe is all, because the mantra here is WS or the season is a failure.

    All I ever want from the Yankees is to field a competitive team. It’s tough to win every year, There are plenty of teams that want to win.

    I never want the Yankees to be a team that feels it doesn’t want to try and win every year. But if they don’t win it all, they don’t. It’s hurts right now that they didn’t go farther, but as I posted earlier, I am proud of the regular season they put together, proud that they outlasted the Orioles, and proud of the job the starting pitching did in the ALCS.

  56. Bring in the Goose October 19th, 2012 at 7:07 am

    Taking a quick look at the photo at the top of this post, it’s not too hard to identify the player, based on body language, who has been accused of:

    Failing to run out ground balls
    Being a self-defeatist
    Lack of hustle

  57. NYYanksFan October 19th, 2012 at 7:13 am

    When a Tiger player says it was easy to play in Yankee Stadium and the crowd was more hostile to their own players than to Tiger players, something seems off.

  58. Yankee Trader October 19th, 2012 at 7:15 am

    Good morning-


    I think one of the main factors to the Yankees collapse, which actually started when they lost the 10 game lead, was that their offensive weaknesses were exposed. Yes they had a good finishing end of the regular season, but their last 10 games were against teams whose seasons were finished.

    The Shift
    Inability to hit the other way
    The inability to hit offspeed stuff, mainly the changeup
    Their inability to come from behind in tthe 8th and 9th innings, because they couldn’t/didn’t manufacture runs, instead looking for a homerun to bail them out, often against the other teams best set up men and closers.
    Their inability, or lack of willingness to work the count.

    I’m sure there are others you can add to the list.

  59. Mike Ri October 19th, 2012 at 7:24 am

    I can’t believe how a team filled with stars can go into one collective slump … Total disbelief.

    I just hope the Yankee front office and fans take a few days to cool off and don’t rush into irrational decisions.

  60. Villa Nova-Ya October 19th, 2012 at 7:30 am

    Yankee Trader -

    No doubt this was not a pretty season.

    And there are things that need to be addressed, and the players have to self-assess and make adjustments. As does the organization as a whole.

    But I won’t dismiss the 95 wins, no matter how they got them. With all those weaknesses, all those inefficiencies, all those things that they couldn’t do, they STILL won 95 games, and some of them were against good pitching/good teams.

    And you can’t dismiss the fact that this team pretty much never played enough games with the all the players they figured to have in the everyday lineup. You had some guys having dismal seasons. And they still managed to win 95 games, and they DID manage to beat the teams they had to beat. Yankees teams, even the best ones, have always said, you beat up the bottom-feeders.

    Imagine if this team has been whole all year? Imagine if just one or two guys did not have career-worst seasons? This team could have won over 100 games easily. I think the more players went down, the more the rest tried to hit for the absentees, in a sense, tried to do to much and it caught up with them.

    Anyway, this season is over. It wasn’t the most satisfying of Yankees season, but there WAS a lot of good in it, and I can’t dismiss that.

  61. Bret The Hitman October 19th, 2012 at 7:32 am

    No amount of cheering was going to change the way these guys hit playoff pitching.

    They spent the entire season feasting on middle relievers, journeyman starters, back end starters, tired or tiring starters, call-ups and mop up men.

    You can’t afford to wait for “your” pitch in the playoffs because mistake pitches are far more infrequent with good pitchers on the mound followed by reliable relievers. Infrequent meatballs and homer happy hitters was a recipe for disaster regardless of fan interference.

    These losers seem to need every excuse in the book.

  62. Bret The Hitman October 19th, 2012 at 7:33 am

    And if Cashman doesn’t fire Kevin Long – I sit out 2013.

  63. Yankee Trader October 19th, 2012 at 7:36 am


    I don’t doubt this team would have won 100 games with a full year of Gardner, Rivera and Pettitte.

    However, scoring 48% of your runs on homers doesn’t usually translate into post season success.

  64. Bret The Hitman October 19th, 2012 at 7:39 am

    And here’s a message to friends, family, teammates of and Alex Rodriguez himself.

    If you think you’re going to park your sorry rear end here in NY for the next 5 years and refuse to accept a trade then I hope you enjoy it.

    You’re going to be benched and you’re going to age out before you reach Bond’s record. And if you think fans even care if you break it, you’re wrong. You’re illegitimate. B-stars deserve B-stars. Your Hollywood life is over.

  65. Yankee Trader October 19th, 2012 at 7:40 am


    You might be sitting out then.

    Cashman has said that the coaching staff will be back, however prefacing that with he still needs time to evaluate everything. I’d like to see the Yankees bring back Larry Bowa in some meaningful capacity.

  66. Nick in SF October 19th, 2012 at 7:42 am

    Did the rest of the AL teams somehow not get to see as many middle relievers, journeymen starters, back end starters, tired or tiring starters, call-ups, and mop-up men?

    Did the whole league play rope-a-dope with the Yankees?

  67. Bret The Hitman October 19th, 2012 at 7:43 am

    The organization needs to change the entire hitting approach and make the offense more well rounded and not so home run reliant. If you’re going to gut the old failed philosophy and start fresh you can’t have the same old guy implement the new way of doing things. He has no credibility.

  68. Bret The Hitman October 19th, 2012 at 7:46 am

    The rest of the league doesn’t have a lineup full of sluggers who overswing and punish those mistakes.

    It’s as simple as that.

    Back to Kevin Long…

    If Cashman plans to keep all his coaches, Long included, that means Cashman has no plans whatsoever to change the homer-reliant offense that has failed miserably in the playoffs throughout the decade.

    So unless he makes that first change that shows an iota of a clue about what has been going on, i sit out.

  69. Yankee Trader October 19th, 2012 at 7:51 am

    Realistically can ARod be traded this offseason?

    Why Not:

    his Full NTC. Would probably only waive it for a few, very few select franchises, like LA, maybe Miami.
    In 2013, gets 28M plus 6M more when he hits 14 more homers for 661 to pass Mays.
    Owed 114M plus marketing incentives of up to 30M for the next 5 years
    Is 38 yo next July 27th
    Hasn’t played in more than 140 games since 2007
    Loves NYC and makes extra money in endorsements by playing there.
    Needs to rest some games by being the DH, making it hard for a big city NL team to want to trade for him.

    Can you think of any others?

  70. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 7:52 am

    Morning YT.

    Hot Stove has officially started.


  71. Bret The Hitman October 19th, 2012 at 7:58 am

    Gotta go volunteer at the health department. Later.

  72. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    I think almost everyone (except Cashman) agrees that changes to the O are required.

    I was a supporter of Long but I think it would be best if they made a change in that area.

    Perhaps a guy like Jaramillo is available.

    That said, as long as Cashman and co. are in denial about the real issues involved nothing but tinkering around the edges will happen.

    Team Greedy would like to see some changes made.

    I look forward to the future w a combo of hope and optimism.


  73. blake October 19th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    “The organization needs to change the entire hitting approach and make the offense more well rounded and not so home run reliant. ”

    I agree for the most part….the issue isn’t the OPS model…..the issue is that the Yankees have assembled a very flawed version of it.

    Power and patience is one thing……Power with absolutely no contact skills for a big chunk of the lineup is a problem…..and it’s a problem that showed itself big time in the playoffs again.

    Cashman can spin this however he wants… it a fluke….say they believe in their system whatever……but the time has come to fix it…..they won’t make the playoffs next year unless they make some changes to their lineup IMO…..

  74. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 8:02 am


    As in most instances I’m with you.

    Let’s drink to it !


  75. Yankee Trader October 19th, 2012 at 8:02 am

    Will Swisher get the qualifying offer? Will he test FA and ultimately take less to stay a Yankee? Do you want him back?

    32yo this offseason
    4 season Yankee regular season averages .267 BA, 26 homers, 87 RBIs, .850 OPS
    Post season averages those 4 years .162 BA, 4 homeruns, 7 RBIs, 38 strikeouts in 34 games.

  76. RadioKev October 19th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    Won’t make the playoffs next season? I mean, that’s always a possibility, but it seems rather unlikely. This team had the best record in the league, and that’s with A-Rod/Tex going down with various injuries, CC out twice on the 15-DL, Granderson absolutely falling apart, Cano suffering with RISP, and Rivera and Gardner out for the season. This was almost a worst case scenario season and they pulled through.

    We also saw a worst case ALCS.

  77. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 8:09 am

    A-Rod- gone

    One of Swisher/Grandy- gone

    One of Soriano/Mo- gone

    Martin- upgraded

    One of Hughes/Nova/Phelps traded for a bat

    Long- replaced

    Adams given a chance at 3rd

    Ibanez/Kuroda/AP- re-upped

    that’s a start.


  78. blake October 19th, 2012 at 8:10 am


    I don’t think deep down Cashman can believe what he’s saying…..if so then he’s just clueless

  79. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 8:11 am


    let’s just hope it’s PR.


  80. Yankee Trader October 19th, 2012 at 8:12 am

    Blake and MTU-

    Good morninf. Let’s try and make those changes to the lineup making the following assumptions

    Swisher is gone-hole RF
    Granderson’s 15M option is picked up, and gets traded in the offseason-Gardner moves to CF.
    Hole LF
    Alex is still a Yankee and plays mostly 3B
    Cano’s option is picked up, but no extension is worked out
    Jeter comes back 100% and wants to remanin at SS
    Chavez is resigned as lefty DH, sometimes 3B amd 1B

    The holes to fill in are RF, LF, 4th OF’er, utility INf’er and bench

    Do these assumptions seem reasonable?

    Fill in the blanks with players to bring in for no more than 2 year contracts, awaiting the likes of players like Austin, Williams, etc.

  81. Yankee Trader October 19th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    I forgot Martin. Assume he’s back on a 2 year deal, with club option for a 3rd

  82. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 8:15 am


    Not sure we need Chavez if Adams can get it done.

    I’d like to see Ibanez back.

    I think Nunez or Nix might be our SS for part of next season.

    I believe it will be really tough for Jter to make it back in the time frame suggested. Your opinion ?

  83. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 8:17 am


    It appears the biggest potential changes would be to the OF.

    As I have said before, Gordon might be an interesting target.

    He plays 3B and OF well.

  84. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    Martin should be upgraded to AJ P. if possible but they won’t even try.

  85. RadioKev October 19th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    Chavez might just hang up the cleats. I wouldn’t be surprised. That said, he had a good season. Terrible post season…

    Maybe he’s the banner player for this Yankees ’12 team? Revelation older platoon player that couldn’t carry it into the playoffs.

  86. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    Heck. I’d give Romine a shot to displace Martin.

    We need fewer .220 hitters in the LU.

  87. RadioKev October 19th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    MTU October 19th, 2012 at 8:19 am
    Heck. I’d give Romine a shot to displace Martin.

    We need fewer .220 hitters in the LU.

    Martin’s a very good catcher with pop. Our rotation has done well under him, and I’ve read a few things (via RAB) about his run-prevention/pitch framing. I certainly wouldn’t give him the boot for a rookie.

  88. Yankee Trader October 19th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    The FA OF’ers under the age of 30 during the 2013 season are BJ Upton
    Delmon Young and Melky Cabrera.

    Upton-.298 OBA, 169 strikeouts
    Cabrera- PEDS user
    Young-Beat up a New York man an earlier visit to NY

    Are you still interested?

  89. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 8:22 am

    As long as they have a viable replacement I do not care if Chavez departs.

    He’s a good guy and decent hitter but he just adds to the collective age-related risk on the Yankees.

    The Yankees need to get younger.

  90. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 8:24 am


    Martin is an avg. defender who cannot hit for avg.

    We have plenty of guys who hit dingers.

    AJ P. is a much better overall hitter than Martin.

    I’m not at all sure that Romine could not do as well or better than Martin.

    He’s athletic and I think he can hit above .250

    I’d like to find out for sure.

    Martin is no great shakes IMO. He’s just OK.

  91. rl1856 October 19th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    From April until May 30, the team was mediocre. From June 1 until the AS break, they were the best team in baseball. From after the AS break until Labor Day, they were among the worst teams in baseball. From Labor Day until the end of the season, they did just enough to win, after having squandered a 10 game lead.

    Winning 95 games and leading the league in offensive stats is a misleading way to view the team. They were streaky and much too reliant on the HR. As we saw during the season and in the PS, they can be beaten by good pitching because they are essentially an all or none team offensively.

    Power is great in and of itself, but power combined with players that can get on base and actually move runners over would be a beautiful thing. The Dynasty team never led the league in power stats, but was among the best in OBP, pitches per AB and runs scored. We were lucky in 09 thanks to Arod and Matsui.

    On another note, isn’t it ironic that 2 of the Detroit players that had an impact in the ALCS were Austin Jackson and Phil Coke….both of whom were traded from the Yankees to the Tigers.

    Expect changes in the offseason….

  92. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 8:25 am



    And I’m looking to fill some vacancies thru trades.


  93. Yankee Trader October 19th, 2012 at 8:26 am


    Pierzynski hasn’t been a model for his own teammates affection on the teams he’s played for.

    “(Pierzynski) likes to talk a lot of (stuff), and I’ve heard he’s a bad teammate,” one National League pitcher tells Men’s Journal. “He’s been (mean) to guys on his own pitching staff. Basically, if you haven’t got five years in the big leagues, he treats you like you’re a peasant. He’s that kind of guy.”

  94. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 8:28 am


    Don’t believe all the press releases. Sometimes people have agendas.

    I’ve seen AJ P. on TV. He may not be an Angel but he’s smart and can hit.

    He might make a very good 1 or 2 yr. fill in until Sanchez is ready.

    I like Romine’s potential too. And he’s cheap.

  95. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 8:29 am


    grumpy catchers who can hit are a good thing.


  96. Yankee Trader October 19th, 2012 at 8:29 am


    If the Yankees need to get younger how do we do that if we want to bring back Pettitte, Rivera, Kuroda, Ibanez, Ichiro for starters?

  97. Yankee Trader October 19th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    OK, does Pierzynski, who will be 37 take only a 2 yr contract?

  98. pat October 19th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    The final play of the Yankees 2012 season involved Phil Coke pointing. :sad:

    Heard Darren Rovell discussing Alex’s milestone bonuses this morning. He said since they are marketing agreements, the Yankees (or any team) might be able to avoid paying them if they decide not to market/merchandise the accomplishment.

  99. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 8:35 am


    AP and Kuroda are part of a transition period, and they very good.

    Same with Mo. 1 more year until MM is ready.

    Ichiro the same. Until Williams, Austin, Flores, etc. emerge.

    Ibanez should be brought back because he was amzing in the role they gave him.

    I just wouldn’t let him be in the OF quite as much.

    Hughes/Nova/Phelps/Pineda/ Warren are all young.

    The BP has youth around Mo.

    The OF will get younger.

    That’s my plan.

    The year after even moreso in that direction as some of the Farm guys begin to come online.

    See. I told ya’ I’m an optimist.


  100. blake October 19th, 2012 at 8:36 am

    “Will Swisher get the qualifying offer? Will he test FA and ultimately take less to stay a Yankee? Do you want him back?”

    yes…they have to make him that offer…..and if he takes it I would want him back. A one year deal with Swisher is a good deal just for what he gives you in the regular season alone.

    That said…..I’m expecting them to make him the offer…..for him to decline and either sign with Boston, Atlanta, or maybe SF.

  101. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 8:36 am


    Who would you rather play for the Yankees or the White Sox ?

    Next question.


  102. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 8:38 am


    I do not see Swisher acepting a one year deal when there will be much interest in him out there.

    He should have no problem finding a job.

    It might even be a multi-year deal from your Yankees.


  103. Yankee Trader October 19th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    OK, let’s fill in RF, LF and Catcher. You have just received 7.5M[letting Martin go]
    plus 15M[ a team traded for Grandy and took on all 15M] and 10.25M[letting Swisher go]

    That’s 32.75M Hal has given you to play with to find a RF, LF[Gardner is now CF] and catcher

  104. Yankee Trader October 19th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    Heard Darren Rovell discussing Alex’s milestone bonuses this morning. He said since they are marketing agreements, the Yankees (or any team) might be able to avoid paying them if they decide not to market/merchandise the accomplishment.


    That’s interesting. I wonder if the Yankees would have to come to some monetary settlement in that case?

  105. blake October 19th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    Most everyone seems to disagree with me on this…..but I’d make Martin the qualifying offer as well.

    Basically I don’t want to get involved in a multi-year deal with any catcher that’s out there right now including Martin… the best way to both ensure that they don’t have to do that and to also have a decent option coming back next year is to over pay Martin for a year.

    The qualifying offer to Martin would be an over pay…..actually it would be probably double what he’s worth……but it also would just be for one year and he’d be off the books for 2014……and if he declined it then you get a draft pick.

  106. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 8:43 am



    AJ P.- 6-8 mil



    Don’t forget I’m getting Mo back on a 1 yr discount and letting Soriano walk.

    Aardsma is my BU along w. D-Rob.

    See. this is really easy.


  107. Against All Odds October 19th, 2012 at 8:44 am

    I don’t think it”s just booing because everyone on the team has been booed before. You boo in the late innings or after a few at bats the players understand but guys were getting booed after one bat or the first inning. You’re telling the team immediately we don’t believe in you

  108. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 8:45 am


    I’m looking at the C position in transition.

    I still can see one or both of Romine and Sanchez taking the reins in another 2 yrs.


  109. Northy October 19th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    And remember the feasted on NL pitching in June where they had their longest winningstreak of the year.

    Agree with most of you… Need more speed and more contact… The yankees could have won the first three games if they had hit som SF, moved the runners etc.

    I’m all for an average season in 2013 with the last year of Granderson, Suzuki, Pettitte, Kuroda and Mo. And then hope that by 2014 that either T. Autin and Slade H. are ready for the big leagues, and that Montgomery or some other minor leaguers prove themselves at the bid league level in 2013.

    And maybe a trade for a young impact bat with Nova as the tradebait.

  110. Bobby Murcer October 19th, 2012 at 8:48 am

    With the ever-longer playoff system, baseball has managed to change its nature
    radically. This year, the chances are that the two teams with the worst records
    of the playoff teams will play in the WS. If you get hot at the end, or if you’re built
    for the playoffs (and the Cards and Tigers are), then you’ve got a better shot than
    a team built for the regular season (Yanks, Braves, Rangers). So, unlike 30 years
    ago, you sort of have to built a schizophrenic team. You need to get into the
    playoffs, so you need pitching, but to win the playoffs you need great pitching,
    so if you have 2 great starters and 3 mediocre starters, that’s better than 4 good
    starters and 1 mediocre starter (guess which of those two will have a better season
    record though).
    As for bats, you want high OBP guys and speed more than sheer power (because
    the two great starters will shut down sheer power and you need to manufacture
    runs). Defense is important, too (though the Tigers supposedly don’t have it…).

    Cashman has figured out how to build teams for the regular season…but he’s
    not quite as good when it comes to finding talent for the postseason. And then,
    of course, there is the luck element which is magnified by a three and now a
    sometimes four-tiered playoff system. How we lost in 2006 with “Murderer’s
    Row and Cano” is still beyond me.

    Bottom line is the last thing you want for the playoffs is an old, station-to-station,
    power hitting team. It just doesn’t work. Now guess what we are headed into
    next season with. If we could manufacture runs, this series could have easily
    been tied 2-2 at this point. If the team in April looks like this team, then welcome
    to more of the same.

    By the way, we have played 3 playoff series with Detroit, and lost all three of them.

  111. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 8:48 am


    You’re stealing my thunder, or maybe just agreeing w. it.


  112. Yankee Trader October 19th, 2012 at 8:48 am


    I wouldn’t make Martin the qualifying offer, a raise from the 7.5M he got this year. But I see your point.

    However, the replacement prospects thru FA are poor to find a catcher, unless you want to give Pierzynski big bucks

    List of FA catchers:

    Updated 10-17-12 [2013 ages in parenthesis]

    Rod Barajas (37) – $3.5MM club option, no buyout
    Henry Blanco (41) – $1.24MM mutual option
    Gerald Laird (33)
    Russell Martin (30)
    Brian McCann (29) – $12MM club option with a $500K buyout
    Jose Molina (37) – $1.5MM club option with a $300K buyout
    Mike Napoli (31)
    Miguel Olivo (34) – $3MM club option with a $750K buyout
    Ronny Paulino (32)
    A.J. Pierzynski (36)
    Humberto Quintero (33)
    David Ross (36)
    Carlos Ruiz (34) – $5MM club option with a $500K buyout
    Brian Schneider (36)
    Kelly Shoppach (33)
    Chris Snyder (32) – $4MM mutual option for 2013 with a $500K buyout
    Yorvit Torrealba (34)
    Matt Treanor (37)

  113. Northy October 19th, 2012 at 8:51 am


    I’ll be very happy if I steal all your Thunders and make them part of the Bronx Bombers gangsters inc.! ;)

    Forgot to metion G. Sanchez – hope he is ready to join the show in 2014 as well – maybe late 2014

  114. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 8:53 am

    Time to walk the Mops soon.

    From my posts I think you know where I’m headed.

    I do not wish to see the same or very similar team on the field next season.

    We are in a 2-3 yr. transition period to a more youthful and well-rounded team.

    Any steps that can be taken this OS to facilitate that next year will be much appreciated.

    Work it out Cashman. Get with the program.

    Forget the rappelling for now.


  115. Yankee Trader October 19th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    I have to go. Darn!

    It will be an interesting offseason, and it will start within 5 days of the end of the WS which, with a 4 game sweep can be October 29th or November 1st at the latest if it goes 7.

    Let the trading begin! :)

    Have a great day all, and MTU why don’t you take a hike! :)

  116. andrewmelillo October 19th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    Its over reacting friday im takeing deep breath first an easy descioñ kevin long an swisher goodbyr

  117. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 8:58 am


    I love you too Man !

    behave yourself at the gym.

    Try to get more fresh air.


  118. pat October 19th, 2012 at 8:58 am


    What I understood Rovell to say is the agreement is for marketing of historic milestones. If a team says we don’t find these milestones histroic any longer because of his PED admission, they might be able to avoid paying for them by simply not marketing them.

    I would think that would leave Alex free to partner with someone else to market them if he so chose to.

  119. Shame Spencer October 19th, 2012 at 9:05 am


  120. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    We lost in ’06 because we had no pitching – unless you considered Wright and RJ decent starters. Never thought we’d win that series.

  121. disco stu October 19th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    The Yankees have moved away from the offensive model of the Dynasty years a long time ago. It was a high on base, low strike out mentality thru the entire lineup and it made them efficient for both the regular sesaon and playoffs, because the home run was always a by-product of that approach, not the main focus as it is now. Which is why those teams never stayed in collective slumps for too long and were deadly when the stakes were highest.

    What did Torre always preach? “Small bites”, “grind it”, “work counts”, “pass the baton”

    Maybe its being overly simplistic to harken back to the glory days, but when you consider this currently organizational philosophy of “swing for the fences”, is it any wonder that when they are forced into facing good pitching in the post season, they have had one “flame out” after another for nearly a decade now … and the one year when they did put it all together was with a lineup that was more very remiscent of those teams … they did hit a lot of home runs that year, but they didnt live and die by it … 9th inning of Game 4 of the ’09 WS was a perfect example.

    The way these recent teams have been constrcuted, if you remove the home run, then there is very little left to rely on in terms productivity … and since runs (and certainly home runs) are at a premium in the post season, they always seem to be left vulnerable once the play offs start.

  122. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 21st, 2012 at 12:42 am


  123. FreeAgentSignee October 23rd, 2012 at 1:18 am

    Next year.
    Go Yankees!

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