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Cashman: “If you believe in something strong enough…”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 19, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

More than half of yesterday’s Yankees starting lineup is heading for free agency this winter. So is exactly half of the postseason rotation, the guy who was supposed to be their closer, and (potentially) the guy who wound up being their closer.

It’s virtually impossible for this to be a totally quiet offseason.

“You’ve got to get away from the emotions, the anger, the disappointment and whatever (word) you want to use,” Brian Cashman said. “Step back, assess what you have, gravitate and wrap your arms around the ones you want to keep, try to pursue the ones you want to retain that are free agents, and then see what else is out there.”

There are decisions to make in the coming weeks and months, but beyond any individual roster move or free agent target, the Yankees most significant decisions seem set in stone.

Pitching is the “key to the kingdom,” and the lineup will be built around “big, hairy monsters.”

“We found a lot of ways to be the best team in the American League in the regular season, get through Baltimore in the first round, and get four games away from the World Series,” Cashman said. “There’s things I don’t want to forget about what got us here, what took place, the positives, that this team showed a lot of heart and guts to get through a lot of injuries. But it’s certainly disappointing and hard to stomach how we played here recently at the most important time of your year.”

Pitching is not the reason the Yankees are flying home today with nothing left to play for, and it’s not the team’s pitching decisions that are facing the most scrutiny right now. The Yankees offense was historically bad in the postseason, and there’s a widely held belief that it’s a philosophical shortcoming, not a sample-size anomaly.

Cashman disagrees.

“Raul Ibanez didn’t hit in last year’s postseason for Philadelphia; he hit in this postseason for us in a massive way,” Cashman said. “Why did we gravitate to him? He’s left-handed, he’s got power, he’s selective — big, hairy monster. He was great. I think people were happy with that decision. If you have a philosophy you believe in, that’s been tested, I have no problem with people asking about it — clearly trying to challenge it, trying to dissect it and tear it apart — but I am not going to turn myself into, as Joe (Girardi) used earlier in the year, the Bronx Bunters because all of a sudden we didn’t hit for this week in October. That’s not our DNA. That’s not what makes us successful and that’s certainly not what’s getting us in the postseason every year but one year since I got here.”

Granted, there’s something funny about Cashman choosing a bald man as his example of a big, hairy monster, but there was no hint of a smile on his face last night. The Yankees led the Major Leagues in on-base percentage, home runs and OPS this season. They were second in slugging percentage and runs scored. It’s compelling evidence that — long term — the Yankees philosophy is effective. What’s up for debate is whether that philosophy is ineffective in the postseason, or recent postseason failures are simply the product of random, hard-to-predict ebbs and flows.

“I would disagree that we’ve left ourselves vulnerable the last three postseasons,” Cashman said. “You open the postseason with one of the better run-producing clubs in the game. Just because you might not have produced in the last two or three postseasons or whatever, it doesn’t mean that that offense is really anemic and that’s what they really are. It’s almost like you put together a 162-game season with an offense that does what it does, and then you want to turn yourself into something that never would have gotten you into the postseason when you get there. That makes no sense for me.

“… If you believe in something strong enough, it should stand up to every challenge. Does that mean you’re going to win every year with it? It doesn’t mean that, but you should be very competitive.”

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228 Responses to “Cashman: “If you believe in something strong enough…””

  1. 86w183 October 19th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    I don’t find it inspirational to hear Cashman channeling “Baghdad Bob”.

  2. Shame Spencer October 19th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    “…Bronx Bunters because all of a sudden we didn’t hit for this week in October. That’s not our DNA. That’s not what makes us successful and that’s certainly not what’s getting us in the postseason every year but one year since I got here.”

    I just think you need to make room for adjustments when you hit a wall like we did in the last two series. A line up like ours has no flexibility to do that, and it doesn’t look like they’re being encouraged to. Our guys are too proud to bunt..? I still don’t get that. Not when you can’t score more than a run per game.

  3. blake October 19th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    I hope Cashman really doesn’t believe this stuff…..I’ve defended him so much but if thats what he truly believes and it’s not just PR spin then it’s time for a change…..

    nobody wants you to be the “Bronx Bunters” so stop saying that……nobody wants the Yankees to stop hitting homers either so stop saying that.

    What we want …..and what is clearly needed is a more varied offensive attack and guys that can actually hit and get on base enough to make the high OPS model work.

    Is it really a surprise that this offense got fat on Red Sox, and blue jays pitching in September and then went into a nose dive in October against good pitchers? not really……

    The model Cashman believes in does work……I think the problem is that right now the Yankees don’t fit that model….

  4. Against All Odds October 19th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Smfh

  5. ac1 October 19th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    Cashman’s comments lead me to believe that he is NOT planning on making real necessary changes. And that is NOT a good thing to see.

  6. Against All Odds October 19th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Of course he believes it Blake. Cashman can be very stubborn when ppl challenge his philosophy.

  7. ac1 October 19th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    yesterday i believed there was no way arod would be on this team in 2013.
    now im less than confident.
    the way cashman talks, granderson will get a 4 year extension, martin will be back, chavez will be back, arod will be back, and we will dumpster dive for a bench.

  8. Cashmoney October 19th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    there is compelling evidence that 200 mil ballclub would garner you a playoff spot and cashman has little baseball acumen. There is a prime example of a guy who has his head in his arse whom won’t look deeper than just simple stats.

  9. Hassey October 19th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    Really, Cash, REALLY? Come on now. That’s crazy people talk. We’ll be right back here one year from today (or so). 2009 was the small smaple size – this sample is as wide as the Hudson River Valley.

    It’s time and you’ll have our support.

  10. Shame Spencer October 19th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    Cash can use whatever statistics he wants to show why this is a successful offense.. the one stat that stood out to me was our club being a .550 team since the ASB.

  11. Against All Odds October 19th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    @ ac1 we shouldn’t be surprised because he laid the ground work days ago with his “we went into a slump at the wrong time remark”

  12. ac1 October 19th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    The only two that did any damage in this series were nunez and ichiro (not 40 HR/year hitters). Guys who swing to get on base and steal bases, not guys up there to hit 10 run homeruns…. We need more of that to supplement Cano and Tex.

  13. 86w183 October 19th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    They certainly need to demand that the big hitters work on their opposite field approach because if they don’t their averages will continue to plummet.

    Additionally they must get younger and more athletic. I would be delighted to replace Granderson and Swisher with BJ Upton and Melky. Ibanez is the only elder statesman I would bring back, but he can only be an emergency OF.. he played almost half the innings in the OF this year and that’s WAAAAAY too much

  14. ac1 October 19th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    HONESTLY: I would accept a down year if it showed that there was a real vision to the future. It takes guts to admin something isnt working and blow it up. Interesting enough Boston did that. We will be right back here in 2013 with 95 wins and out in the first round of the playoffs AGAIN!

  15. JM October 19th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    Hey, where’d everybody go? ;)

  16. ac1 October 19th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    And this idea that K-Long is a great hitting coach?
    By what standards?
    Besides helping Granderson hit lefties better, what else can he show?
    Averages are WAYYYYYY down on this team.
    Jeter would be a success story except he shunned what Long told him to do and then he started hitting again.
    I want a hitting coach who can get some guys hitting .300 (not .240 with 100 Homeruns).

    I wish Paul O’Neill would want to be the coach.

  17. Shame Spencer October 19th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Against All Odds October 19th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Of course he believes it Blake. Cashman can be very stubborn when ppl challenge his philosophy.

    ————

    The crazy thing is it’s not even his philosophy!! It’s suppose to be Gene’s but this is kinda like when crazy fanatics take a good idea and twist it into some sort of mutated version…

    LGY was right when he pointed out Tex’s comments as helping to make this team unlikable. You can’t seriously say you refuse to lay down a bunt because that’s a ‘desperate move’ when you cannot generate any runs. When you are at the point where you almost got eliminated by the Orioles, haven’t been able to take one game from the Tigers in your house, and can see every guy on your team pressing and are one game away from elimination – that is the definition of a desperate situation. You need to not only have players flexible enough to recognize that but a FO that encourages it. No one is asking them to be a small ball team indefinitely, just to not be so adverse to trying it when you clearly can’t mash on good pitching.

  18. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    blake,

    This is why I keep identifying him as the problem, rather than the man hamstrung by a budget.

    His argument is as facile as some in here, who tried to turn this whole thing into an argument against having good pitching, which was so absurd, I avoided those arguments at a certain point and never re-entered them.

    The problem was the pitching was good, the offense needed help – not that pitching, fundamentally, should take a back seat to hitting.

    Cashman, similarly, is trying to dumb down the argument and turn it into slugging and walking vs. bunting, small ball thing – that’s never been the point, as you point out as well. Cashman should sign up here, he is the ultimate straw man.

    Right, Brian: people criticizing your offense don’t understand the value of LHB with power in Yankee Stadium, nor the value of getting on base…..

    SMH

  19. ac1 October 19th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    According to Tex’s comments, making any adjustments is a desperate move. Which is why they continued to get embarrassed by even mediocre pitching…

  20. Shame Spencer October 19th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    Against All Odds October 19th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    @ ac1 we shouldn’t be surprised because he laid the ground work days ago with his “we went into a slump at the wrong time remark”

    ——————

    It wasn’t a remark… it was a press conference.

    Still can’t think of another occasion in sports where I’ve seen the GM giving a eulogy before the season ended.

  21. Laura - I Bleed Blue October 19th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    Cash’s comments are downright scary. There needs to be more of a balance. I love having guys that can mash, but we also need guys that can create runs other ways than hitting the ball 450 ft. Losing Gardner hurt more than people realize. The team was HR crazy to begin with, but once he went down, that’s all they had left.

  22. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    Hassey October 19th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    Really, Cash, REALLY? Come on now. That’s crazy people talk. We’ll be right back here one year from today (or so). 2009 was the small smaple size – this sample is as wide as the Hudson River Valley.

    ///

    What’s this? 2009, they actually were a high OPS team that also hit for average, and Jorge Posada was a switching catcher who hit for power, average, and who walked. He made a difference! Tex and Alex could hit RHP. 2009 was a great team whose ultimate success was predictable. Matsui was on that team, too, as was Damon. They weren’t this 2012 team with a little bit of luck.

  23. Cashmoney October 19th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    spot on Jap, no one ever dismiss the ideas of having LH power bat at YS who is selective is not part winning formula. OPS and Slugging obviously matters just as well contactability and average hitters matters in similar fashions against good pitching. There is dichotomy btw those two ideas, except, under the faulty analysis a man who lacks little imaginations and baseball acumen.

    Cashman needs to freaking go!

  24. Tackelberry October 19th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    Bye bye Swisher, Jones, Chavez, hopefully Granderson. Would love to see Arod gone but he seems really intent on coming back and proving everyone wrong. PLus, he holds all the cards due to his 10 and 5 year status. Would’nt mid seeing them try to sign Michael Bourn or BJ Upton. Bring back Ichiro on a 1 year deal, to give a guy like ZOlio ALmonte time to continue development in AAA. Melky Mesa can easily replace Andrew Jones. Much younger and more athletic, not to mention cheaper. I think Andy will come back and I hope they bring back Kuroda as well. Soriano will opt out I’m sure but Yanks will make qualifying offer to recoup a draft pick. Promises to be a very busy winter for Cashman and the FO.

  25. blake October 19th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    JAP,

    if you watch the Cardinals lineup…..it’s just night and day the difference in approach to watching a Yankee game.

    Cashman has to realize that the lineup they currently have doesn’t even fit the model he’s trying for…….

  26. Shame Spencer October 19th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    ac1 October 19th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    And this idea that K-Long is a great hitting coach?
    By what standards?

    —————

    By the org’s standards. Say what you want about Joe and Long.. they’re just company men. Long is doing what he’s being told to do, which is get these guys to live up to their potential by smashing and mashing.

  27. Cashmoney October 19th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    no dichotomy btw…. but hey let’s dumb this down little further… how about a philosophy of assemble good hitters!

  28. Against All Odds October 19th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    @ Shame true when it comes to certain situations you adjust to what you have to do. The three point shooting team having an off night shouldn’t keep chucking up 3′s just because they will go in eventually. Do what you have to do at that point to win if not you lose.

  29. austinmac October 19th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    How about the Bronx Basehitters?

    This off season, is, as I have said many times, likely to be very ugly. Good players leaving and cheap players in replacement. Let’s get another 40 year old who swings for the seats.

    The attendance for the playoff games should give the Yankees a view to the future if the team slips. They have no guarantee of packed houses or good tv viewership.

    This off season will set the tone for many years to come. They are the oldest team in baseball. They looked like it. The hitters have to start early to catch up with fastball so they are dead on off speed pitches.

  30. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    Cashman needs to freaking go!
    ///

    Cashmoney – he either has to go or has to privately acknowlege his rhetoric is just that, and take action. I have no faith in him, however.

  31. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    How about the Bronx Basehitters?
    ///

    lol

  32. Laura - I Bleed Blue October 19th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    “Would’nt mid seeing them try to sign Michael Bourn or BJ Upton. ”

    BJ Upton? No way. He likes to pick and choose when he’s going to give 100%. I’ll pass.

  33. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    blake October 19th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    JAP,

    if you watch the Cardinals lineup…..it’s just night and day the difference in approach to watching a Yankee game.
    ///

    That lineup with our pitching would be sa-weeeet!

  34. blake October 19th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    “How about the Bronx Basehitters?”

    seriously…..I love homers as much as anybody and it’s still the best way to score…..but this 15K’s between solo homers type offense is about the most boring and frustrated thing I’ve ever tried to watch.

    This Yankee team overachieved this year to make it to the ALCS…..they did it by pitching great and by getting some huge moments from guys like Ibanez……you can’t count on that happening again…..you can’t count on Raul hitting multiple walk offs to save your season…..they have real issues offensively that I truly hope they address this winter or they won’t make the playoffs next year.

    Several of us have been talking about this moment for a couple of years……it’s here now…..time to finally take your head out of the sand and address it Yankees.

  35. blake October 19th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    “That lineup with our pitching would be sa-weeeet!”

    it’d be having a parade in a couple of weeks.

  36. Shame Spencer October 19th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    ” I love having guys that can mash, but we also need guys that can create runs other ways than hitting the ball 450 ft. ”

    —————-

    Laura – Any chance we can get a couple guys willing to…. do both?!

    I just find it incredible that in the situation they were in they were talking about not playing desperate. That’s basically what Tex was saying… that they’re not going to play desperate baseball.

    That’s so…………GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

  37. blake October 19th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    they don’t need Bourn….they need a real right handed multi dimensional hitter ….or two.

  38. Chip October 19th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    This right here is what I was terrified of.

    Cashman is right and he’s wrong in his philosophy. Yes, he’s right that the Yankees have been one of the best regular season offensive clubs the last three years; but collecting feast or famine players with a penchant for striking out or hitting home runs isn’t going to be effective in the post season. It isn’t, as Cashman put it, “It’s almost like you put together a 162-game season with an offense that does what it does, and then you want to turn yourself into something that never would have gotten you into the postseason when you get there. That makes no sense for me.” The disconnect here is that you’re facing a different level of competition in the playoffs than in the regular season. The best pitchers on the best teams with highly detailed scouting reports.

    This isn’t to say that the Yankees should abandon the home run ball – but you need to have a solid mix on the team, just as you don’t want a lineup that’s all left handed or all right handed, you don’t want a lineup that’s all Long Ball or one that’s all Small Ball.

    I do not believe a major shakeup is coming to this team – I think Alex and Granderson and Cano will all be back when the season opens next year.

    My best guesses:

    Re-Sign:
    Kuroda
    Andy
    Mo
    Ichiro
    Martin

    Gone:
    Soriano
    Jones
    Chavez
    Swisher
    Garcia

    FA’s they might pursue:
    Jeff Keppinger
    Scott Hairston
    Carlos Lee
    Torii Hunter
    Delmon Young (Yankees love to sign Yankee Killers – AJ Burnett)
    Cody Ross
    Carlos Pena
    James Loney

    I would get Nunez to the complex this winter and start working him out in the OF. He’s a mess at SS, but maybe he can add a little spice to the OF mix this spring; come back with a lineup that looks something like this:

    Jeter – SS
    Ichiro – RF
    Tex – 1b
    Cano – 2b
    Alex – DH
    Granderson – CF
    Jeff Keppinger – 3b
    Martin/Romine – C
    Eduardo Nunez/Brett Gardner – LF

    Bench: Romine/Martin, Nunez/Gardner, Jayson Nix, Eric Hinske

    Rotation:

    CC
    Kuroda
    Hughes
    Andy
    Nova/Pineda

    Pen:

    RHP: Mo, Robertson, Eppley, Joba, Aardsma
    LHP: Cabral, Logan

  39. Hassey October 19th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    Pru – No – I meant the fabulous 2009 postseason production of some of the guys that are still on the team now – THAT was the small sample size I was referring to

  40. Tackelberry October 19th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Nunez already has plans to play Winter ball. He knows he needs to improve his fielding big time. Has all the other tools you’d want. Speed, power, great arm, very good hitting instincts

  41. austinmac October 19th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    Please notice how Cashman says being competitive is the goal. Notice further it is just another short sample size.

    They will re-sign Ichiro, let Swisher go, point to speed in the outfield and they will be ready offensively for the season. They will be substantially worse next year. Do we really think Ichiro, Ibanez, AROD, Texiera, Jeter and Granderson will improve or be worse next year as they age?

    Good philosophy of aging big, hairy monsters who can’t hit an off speed pitch. That’s why Cashman makes several million a year.

  42. Chip October 19th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    I would love to see David Adams compete for the 3b job or Zoilo or Abe Almonte for one of the OF spots – but I’m not sure they’re there yet – more likely midseason.

  43. Chip October 19th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    austinmac –

    I don’t think Ibanez is back next year – they’ll view him the same way they viewed Matsui – they got what they needed out of him, time to move on to the next in line.

  44. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Hassey – Oh, I see. Those guys still with us were different players then, though. The years have worn them down and stolen some bat speed from them.

    Time doesn’t stand still and that’s why they so erred on Jan. 13, because they regarded Alex and Tex as if time has stood still.

  45. NYYROC October 19th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    As a Yankee fan, it is very frustrating and mind boggling that Cashman feels that way. The team should have some HR hitters, but it needs some youth, speed and contact hitters too. Anyone who watched 2011 and then saw the same guys come back for 2012, knew the ending to the story wasn’t going to change. Wake up Cashman.

  46. EliasInNH October 19th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    These comments are frustrating. Its not difficult to understand why we folded like a house of cards in october. We scored the 2nd most runs in baseball because over 162 games, we get to see so many bad pitchers and bad teams.

    How many games did we lose 5-3, or 4-2, or 8-6 because we left 13 guys on Base and couldn’t get a big hit?

    We need guys that can deliver the “big” hits — and I’m not talking about a 500 foot HR. I’m talking the Bernie Williamses, Derek Jeters, Hideki Matsuis, etc. of the championship teams.

    That Cashman can’t see that is beyond infuriating. He should have to look hard to see a team that has mediocre talent but got the job done consistently when it counted the most. Look at the Orioles. They didn’t advance as far as us, but they looked like a better team than we did.

  47. austinmac October 19th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Three active players I recommended last winter were Beltran, Keppinger and Scutaro. All had good years and all would have helped. Unfortunately, these professional ballplayers wanted to be paid.

    I shake my head when the announcers talk about the Yankee spending on their bench. Really? Ibanez, Jones, Chavez all come quite cheaply. That’s why we have them.

  48. Chip October 19th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    Another guy they might look at is Kendrys Morales. The expectation is that he’s going to get non-tendered by the Angels. I’m sure he’ll have other teams after him, so I don’t know if he would fit into Cashman’s bargain bin strategy, also he only is a 1b/DH so I don’t know if Brian would want to fill that position in that way if the plan is going to be for Alex and Derek to continue getting more DH time.

  49. ac1 October 19th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    I would love to see David Adams compete for the 3b job or Zoilo or Abe Almonte for one of the OF spots – but I’m not sure they’re there yet – more likely midseason.

    ___

    This is the problem. Cashman will hold these guys down in for of guys that were good 10 years ago and nothing will change.

  50. EliasInNH October 19th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    Typo above: Cashman shouldn’t — not should

  51. austinmac October 19th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    Chip,

    I think I disagree and Ibanez will come back. He can be the DH platoon with the highest paid part time player.

    All I have asked of the front office is an acknowledgment they need changes. We don’t even get that. I suppose to do so Cashman would have to assume some responsibilty for the loss. Can’t have that.

  52. EliasInNH October 19th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    These comments are frustrating. Its not difficult to understand why we folded like a house of cards in october. We scored the 2nd most runs in baseball because over 162 games, we get to see so many bad pitchers and bad teams.

    How many games did we lose 5-3, or 4-2, or 8-6 because we left 13 guys on Base and couldn’t get a big hit?

    We need guys that can deliver the “big” hits — and I’m not talking about a 500 foot HR. I’m talking the Bernie Williamses, Derek Jeters, Hideki Matsuis, etc. of the championship teams.

    That Cashman can’t see that is beyond infuriating. He shouldnt have to look hard to see a team that has mediocre talent but got the job done consistently when it counted the most. Look at the Orioles. They didn’t advance as far as us, but they looked like a better team than we did.

  53. Hassey October 19th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Everyone happy to keep Ibanez as our wise, old Ruben Sierra type?

    Is Johnny Gomes available to replace Jonesey?

    Chavez wants to return, or keep Nix & Nunez instead?

    Tough stuff. Even if we do nothign else, I think replacing Grandy instantly makes us at least a little better…I know, I know, but that’s my opinion

  54. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Zoilo needs more time. He’s a switch hitter, for one thing, who hasn’t developed enough from the right side. They brought Melky up too soon before he could advance his hit tool more, especially as a RHB. Zoilo also, despite his athleticism and speed, can run awful routes.

    He’s definitely a legit option in the future (esp for his left-handed bat) but he needs more time.

    Adams is ready as rain, I would say.

  55. Chip October 19th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    austinmac October 19th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Three active players I recommended last winter were Beltran, Keppinger and Scutaro. All had good years and all would have helped. Unfortunately, these professional ballplayers wanted to be paid.

    I shake my head when the announcers talk about the Yankee spending on their bench. Really? Ibanez, Jones, Chavez all come quite cheaply. That’s why we have them.
    ——————

    I think there’s two issues here – one is salary, the other is playing time and position.

    If Beltran had come here he would have done so having to accept a role as a DH initially. Obviously, we know Gardner got hurt and so Beltran would have played in the OF, but neither he, or the Yankees, could’ve known that going in. Maybe Beltran, even if the Yankees had gone after him, wouldn’t want to be a DH? Keppinger ended up playing regularly for the Rays – could the Yankees have offered him the same thing? No. Players, in addition to getting paid, want to go to teams where they’re going to play. That’s why the Yankees filled their bench with older guys like Ibanez and Chavez – because they still have skills, but either due to age or injury know that they are no longer capable of being regulars so they are content with part time duty.

    Scutaro was traded by Boston so that’s not really a fair ask there – Boston wasn’t going to deal him to the Yankees.

  56. chicken little October 19th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    the philosophy doesn’t work. Hal needs to tell Cash — either change your philosophy or give me back your key to the executive washroom.

  57. Cashmoney October 19th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    i am intrigued by Adams… the man is 25 last time i checked. I hope he will class AAA and see sometimes in NY. of the almontes, i will defer the opinions of others.

  58. Jerkface October 19th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    I got some interesting stats that may make a case for trading Cano. On a yankee forum one of the posters gave these stats :

    Cano Career:
    Batting Value: 165 BR (24th overall for hitters since he’s come into the majors)
    RE24 Value: 82 BR (83rd overall)

    Season RE24-Batting
    2005 -13.7
    2006 -9.9
    2007 -13.7
    2008 -12.2
    2009 -30.8
    2010 -0.9
    2011 9.2
    2012 -11.7
    Total -83.6

    He’s also only at 5.7 WPA, which is 99th overall.

    Of the 476 qualified batters since Cano came into the majors, he has the largest negative discrepancy between his batting runs and RE24 runs. RE24 is a measure of the actual value of each plate appearance, measuring the true change in run expectancy/run production for each PA. This means a single with the bases loaded is worth more than a single with the bases empty. Batting runs assigns static values based on the run environment to each outcome.

    What this means is that Cano is actually worth about half of what his stat line suggests he should be worth, because he is doing the most damage at the worst time (bases empty). To have such a huge discrepancy implies an actual difference in his career in what he does at the plate in ‘clutch situations’.

    On the spreadsheet I have which shows this value, Cano is dead last in difference between his batting runs & RE24 out of the 476 batters. What is interesting is who is near the top. Third? Raul Ibanez. He does almost all of his hitting when it matters the most. First? Bobby Abreu. Carlos Beltran & Joe Mauer both in the top 10. Mark Teixeira is 10th. Ichiro is 16th.

    Note that this doesn’t mean that those in the top 10 are the 10 best players in the game or anything, just that they have a positive difference between RE24 & Batting Runs. It just means more bang for the proverbial buck.

    Knowing that Cano is really only half as valuable at the plate as he should be, does that make you more open to trading him?

  59. ac1 October 19th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Adams should have been in AAA in the second half this year and he is working on his 3B skills and he can hit. He should be a cheap LEGIT option at 3B for ALL of 2013, not just the second half. It’s really aggrevating how stubborn Cashman is.

  60. 86w183 October 19th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    I’d be fine with Nix/Nunez being on the roster as long as one of them can play a serviceable LF.

    Ibanez back strictly as a platoon DH and emergency OF. Ichiro isn’t coming back for $ 2 M.

    I guess it all starts with a firm decision from Mariano — he hedged last time he was asked — and the Soriano opt-out decision. I think Soriano stays if Mo retires but opts out if Mo returns.

    How much do you pay Mariano Rivera?

    I know some don’t like BJ Upton, but I do. He’s a superb CF and had 28 HR, 31 SB this year. Yeah he strikes out too much and walks to little… but Granderson does too. Also Swisher this year (141 K, 77 W). That’s one way to get 4 years younger at a position.

  61. Jerkface October 19th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    If Beltran had come here he would have done so having to accept a role as a DH initially. Obviously, we know Gardner got hurt and so Beltran would have played in the OF, but neither he, or the Yankees, could’ve known that going in. Maybe Beltran, even if the Yankees had gone after him, wouldn’t want to be a DH?

    Dude they went into the season with a plan to rotate the DH, they went in willing to play Ibanez in the OF and Joe put him in the field within the first 3 games. Beltran is a BETTER defender. Of course they would have let Beltran play the field. Beltran wanted to come to the Yankees, he knew what the roster composition was.

  62. Hassey October 19th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Cash will be content to spend all winter in Tampa, working on the Pensky file and his little black book

  63. Chip October 19th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    ac1 October 19th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    I would love to see David Adams compete for the 3b job or Zoilo or Abe Almonte for one of the OF spots – but I’m not sure they’re there yet – more likely midseason.

    ___

    This is the problem. Cashman will hold these guys down in for of guys that were good 10 years ago and nothing will change.
    ————-

    I think David Adams might have a chance. The only thing that was really holding him down was the injuries. Adams doesn’t have power, but he’s an on base machine and they moved him to 3b at the end of last season to see if he could play there.

    Also keep in mind, Adams was drafted in 2008 and is 25 but because of injuries he’s only really played 2 full seasons of professional ball, so it isn’t like they were burying him.

    Zoilo Almonte needs to improve pitch recognition and, like Adams, Abe Almonte needs to stay healthy.

  64. Hassey October 19th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Jerk – can you show us the link to that Cano RE24 stuff?

  65. austinmac October 19th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Hassey,

    I don’t think Gardner replacing Granderson makes the team better. It is the other way, IMO. Put Gardner in center and get a good hitting corner outfielder would work, but I dream.

  66. Chip October 19th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    Jerkface October 19th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    If Beltran had come here he would have done so having to accept a role as a DH initially. Obviously, we know Gardner got hurt and so Beltran would have played in the OF, but neither he, or the Yankees, could’ve known that going in. Maybe Beltran, even if the Yankees had gone after him, wouldn’t want to be a DH?

    Dude they went into the season with a plan to rotate the DH, they went in willing to play Ibanez in the OF and Joe put him in the field within the first 3 games. Beltran is a BETTER defender. Of course they would have let Beltran play the field. Beltran wanted to come to the Yankees, he knew what the roster composition was.
    ————-

    The “plan” as I remember it was that Ibanez was going to platoon at DH with Jones, play a little OF to give guys a day off and spend plenty of time on the bench with Alex or Derek at DH and Chavez at 3b and Nunez at SS. Would they have had a different plan had they signed Beltran? Of course. But that’s not the direction he chose to go.

  67. Jerkface October 19th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/dxgt3bzalekud8q/RE24%20and%20Batting%20Runs.xlsx

    Here is the excel spreadsheet, data is pulled from Fangraphs

  68. ac1 October 19th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    I know some don’t like BJ Upton, but I do. He’s a superb CF and had 28 HR, 31 SB this year. Yeah he strikes out too much and walks to little… but Granderson does too. Also Swisher this year (141 K, 77 W). That’s one way to get 4 years younger at a position.
    ____

    So why would you replace one low average hitter with too many Ks with one another? Especially when the player we already have hits more homeruns?

    I say get rid of granderson and do NOT replace him with a less powerful version of him.

  69. austinmac October 19th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    They should have signed Beltran and traded Swisher for some young player(s). It was clear Beltran was far superior, but that would have required thinking outside of the box. Sign a free agent and then trade excess? Too confusing.

  70. Jerkface October 19th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Would they have had a different plan had they signed Beltran? Of course. But that’s not the direction he chose to go.

    Yea they went that direction because they are cheap, not due to play time or whatever.

  71. blake October 19th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    2013 lineup.

    Jeter
    Ichiro
    Cano
    Tex
    Arod
    Granderson
    Martin
    Ibanez/RH DH
    Gardner

    Get ready for it guys…..

  72. Chip October 19th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    Jerkface October 19th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Would they have had a different plan had they signed Beltran? Of course. But that’s not the direction he chose to go.

    Yea they went that direction because they are cheap, not due to play time or whatever.
    ————

    If you say so. In any case, it is moot now.

  73. Against All Odds October 19th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    Colin Cowherd ripping the Yankees. “I’d trade Cano he’s an arrogant dog. They are going to bid on Hamilton because that’s what they do. They will be locked into another aging player”

    Lol this is the same guy kissing Robbie’s ass all yr and as recent as a few weeks ago. And Hamilton smfh does he realize the Yankees are on a budget.

  74. Chip October 19th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    2013 lineup.

    Jeter
    Ichiro
    Cano
    Tex
    Arod
    Granderson
    Martin
    Ibanez/RH DH
    Gardner

    Get ready for it guys…..
    ——————-

    No way Ibanez is back – the Yankees will move on from him (despite the big post season) the way they did Matsui and Damon.

  75. joeman October 19th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    lobbying for A Pagan in the OF 2013

  76. Tackelberry October 19th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    Now comes the tough part for us fans. The waiting. First step will be for Cashman and the FO to have their annual organizational meetings, which will probably commence the middle of next week in Tampa. Nothing will happen til after the World Series, thats for sure. So we will spend our time speculating, and waiting for a while.

  77. Shame Spencer October 19th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    That is interesting about Cano… I don’t really know what to make of it, tbh.

    If I was in charge of more things, instead of having Nunez try to be good in the OF, I’d try to have him be serviceable at SS and 3B.

  78. joeman October 19th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    Gardner is a waste

  79. Chip October 19th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    austinmac October 19th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    They should have signed Beltran and traded Swisher for some young player(s). It was clear Beltran was far superior, but that would have required thinking outside of the box. Sign a free agent and then trade excess? Too confusing.
    ————-

    I get your frustration – but that’s pretty much exactly what they did in the rotation right? Signed Kuroda, Andy, Garcia and traded for Pineda and then dumped Burnett to create space.

  80. Chip October 19th, 2012 at 10:10 am

    ac1 October 19th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    I know some don’t like BJ Upton, but I do. He’s a superb CF and had 28 HR, 31 SB this year. Yeah he strikes out too much and walks to little… but Granderson does too. Also Swisher this year (141 K, 77 W). That’s one way to get 4 years younger at a position.
    ____

    So why would you replace one low average hitter with too many Ks with one another? Especially when the player we already have hits more homeruns?

    I say get rid of granderson and do NOT replace him with a less powerful version of him.
    ——————-

    I’m in favor of getting rid of Granderson – I don’t think it will happen. Maybe they’ll let him walk as a FA after next year, but they likely aren’t going to trade him this winter and certainly won’t decline his option.

  81. joeman October 19th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    when Cano isn’t hitting his focus ( whatever he has ) is gone..everything slows done with him

  82. austinmac October 19th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    Blake,

    Sadly, I do think that is next year’s lineup. Tell me how that team of ever aging players is not worse. Who is the DH against left handers? Well, we can’t know yet until other teams have cleared out their roster excess.l

  83. Chip October 19th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    For what it’s worth – the one thing I’m happy about with this board right now is that we’re all being smart enough to put this all at Alex’s feet. Yes, he stunk; and he’s taking the heat in the media – but this wasn’t wholly about him. Cano, Granderson, Swisher, Tex, Martin – they were all awful. The team got 5 hits in the last two games.

    By the way – I just heard that “unnamed Yankees” were complaining that being booed at home spooked them and contributed to the losses at home…if that’s true then Brian needs to find out who those Yankees who got spooked were and get them out of here.

  84. jacksquat October 19th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    86w183 October 19th, 2012 at 9:05 am
    I don’t find it inspirational to hear Cashman channeling “Baghdad Bob”.

    That’s the first thing I thought of. :)

    Cashman is somewhat right. If the offense had simply performed at a lower level in the playoffs rather than been epically horrible, they would still be playing. However, that is with overachieving starting pitching (in the playoffs). You can’t count on that either.

    There is a place for a few big, hairy monsters but you need balance.

    Anyway, based on these comments I expect Granderson will be here next year. And they are stuck with Tex and Arod. There are your hairy monsters. Please let Swisher go. I’d like to see Martin gone but I don’t know that there are good alternatives right now.

  85. Hassey October 19th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    60 hits and 83 K’s spooked me, and I won;t go unnamed

  86. Shame Spencer October 19th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    “I get your frustration – but that’s pretty much exactly what they did in the rotation right? Signed Kuroda, Andy, Garcia and traded for Pineda and then dumped Burnett to create space.”

    We seem so unwilling to take the same approach with position player though.. If I read one more time that there was ‘no where to play X player’ on here I’ll scream and MTU will hear it all the way up in the mountains or wherever the hell he is.

    If you have good players, these things shake out.

  87. fantasygame101 October 19th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    they hold off the orioles and they make it a big deal. keyword is hold and they are happy? with a 10 game lead, they just manage to hold off and they are proud of it. I say they were lucky that tampa loss their best hitter for a long time and boston was so bad, if not they would not be in the playoff bec. orioles at their best this yr is not good with a healthy year long tampa and a good red sox. For the nth time, look at the 1998 to 2000 team who actually won back to back to back world series and make it as a model rather than this few yrs.

  88. austinmac October 19th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    Dear Brian,

    Believing in something strong enough doesn’t make it right. Setting records for futility in hitting does not suggest you are correct. Neither does the loss of a ten game lead.

  89. Chip October 19th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Shame Spencer October 19th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    “I get your frustration – but that’s pretty much exactly what they did in the rotation right? Signed Kuroda, Andy, Garcia and traded for Pineda and then dumped Burnett to create space.”

    We seem so unwilling to take the same approach with position player though.. If I read one more time that there was ‘no where to play X player’ on here I’ll scream and MTU will hear it all the way up in the mountains or wherever the hell he is.

    If you have good players, these things shake out.
    —————-

    That’s fair.

  90. Hassey October 19th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    I hate Ks but won’t go so far as to be a disciple of only BABIP…I just think things happen when you put the ball in play….Garcia hit the ball hard only once for them, and yet he was on base all series and more valuable than even one Yankee.

    I’d liek to get rid off all our high K guys and see what happens. We may score less and in quiter ways, but I bet we still win alot AND us posters won’t need as many EKGs

  91. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    Blake-

    Let’s hope it’s just PR and spin.

  92. jacksquat October 19th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    JF, you posted many times here that there is no such thing as “clutch”, and then you post that stuff about Cano? Care to explain?

  93. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Mac-

    How bout I call him and read him the riot act ?

    Tell him we want some medium-sized young hairy monsters who hit for avg.

    :)

  94. BD (Boston Dave) October 19th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    The worst time to react to the 2013 Yankees is the day after a sweep in the ALCS.

    The Yanks did a lot of good things this season.

    There surely needs to be a change, mostly to accommodate the new (anti-Yankee) draft/IFA/salary cap rules.

    Signing a guy like Hamilton to a long term deal is the kind of risk that a team with as many huge deals as the Yanks currently have can’t really afford to take.

    It’s easy to overreact today, especially when the media loves pouring it on the Yanks.

  95. Phranchise October 19th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    You need a sustainable offense, not these peaks and valleys. As such you need quality hitters and then your power bats… balance. It was an issue all year. It’s what irriatated me with the moves the offseason. Ibanez, Jones, guys like Cust, Branyan, etc. They essentially offer the same type of attributes with Ibanez being much more complete than the rest. We need some tough outs, some singles-doubles guys, who k less and get on base more. I think Nunez is a must (defense or not) next year. Ichiro is one of those guys. Get a complementary right handed bat out there for him. Ichi is part time RF and part time DH. Balance this lineup out a bit. Rallys were hard to come by this year. Postseason you generally face better pitchers, weather conditions are different, you can’t expect homers to be flying left and right.

  96. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Shame-

    I’m saving that for next week.

    But I’ll try my best to hear you just the same.

    :)

  97. austinmac October 19th, 2012 at 10:22 am

    The Orioles should be better next year as they mature. The Rays will be better with Longoria healthy and Moore with experience. The Jays will be better with Bautista and it’s starting rotation back. Good idea not to try to improve.

  98. Bo knows October 19th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    JF, you posted many times here that there is no such thing as “clutch”, and then you post that stuff about Cano? Care to explain?

    ———–
    You can’t statisfy, (satisfy stats geek), of clutch but you can unclutch. Thereby lies the difference.

  99. Madrugador October 19th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    JS- “There is a place for a few big, hairy monsters but you need balance.

    Anyway, based on these comments I expect Granderson will be here next year. And they are stuck with Tex and Arod. There are your hairy monsters. Please let Swisher go. I’d like to see Martin gone but I don’t know that there are good alternatives right now.”

    Lack of balance is one of the big problems and it is disappointing that Cashman chooses not to recognize that. If all you have is big hairy monsters, you get the kind of all or nothing performance we saw. Just thinking about it is painful.

    Granderson will get picked up because it is one year and Cashman will like that. I’d be shocked if Swisher were still a Yankee next year. He will want multiple years and more money that Cashman wants to pay.

    Sadly, I also do not see a lot of change in this line up either. Time to focus more attention on Trenton, Tampa and Charleston.

  100. DONNYBROOK October 19th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Cashman needs to stop trotting out stats that attempt to justify the 25 players he put on the field in the Playoffs, and actually LOOK at this team. At 3B he’s got a steroid user that is physically falling apart in front of his very Eyes, an aging SS that physically can No longer handle the workload full-time, a 2B that is shortly gonna command in excess of $100 Mill, yet continues to lapse into acoma defensively, and when asked to lead, additionally does so at the plate, a CF’er that is morphing into Adam Dunn, and a SHOWBOAT out in RF that will soon be departing. THAT is reality. Cashman is attempting to pull a David Blaine with the numbers, but there are some of us that actually Watch the games. It aint gonna fly.

  101. Chip October 19th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    austinmac October 19th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    Dear Brian,

    Believing in something strong enough doesn’t make it right. Setting records for futility in hitting does not suggest you are correct. Neither does the loss of a ten game lead.
    —————–

    Again, Brian’s issue is that he’s both right and wrong.

    I think it started with Giambi and has built up steadily since then – the notion that before you can talk about winning the World Series you need to build a team that will get you to the playoffs. Since then Brian has focused on building a team that is built to win over the 162 game season by stacking power throughout.

    Jason Giambi gets hurt – no problem, opposing pitchers still have to deal with Alex Rodriguez and Gary Sheffield. Tex has to sit – fine, we will still pound you with Curtis Granderson and Robbie Cano.

    That kind of offense can demolish bad pitching or bad teams and even good pitchers having bad days during the middle of the season. The problem is that when you face the best pitchers on the best teams in colder weather those home runs turn into pop outs and you can’t work the count as much as you did during the regular season.

    It’s not bad to have home run hitters in the lineup, it’s not even bad to have an Adam Dunn type in the lineup – the problem is that Brian loaded the lineup with too many of the same player. That’s what needs to be addressed.

  102. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    No one is over reacting by acknowledging the obvious flaws in the plan.

    This is actually overdue.

    It’s the accumulated knowledge of several seasons of failure.

    The Yankee charter is not just to get to the PS and die.

    It is to win it all each and every year.

    A sclerotic, one-dimensional O is not gonna get that done.

    We need more youth, higher BA, and a more balanced approach to go w the power.

  103. austinmac October 19th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Phranchise,

    I had forgotten about Cust and Branyon. Put them with Pearce and McGehee. That is Cashman’s idea of improving the team. Big, hairy guys who can’t hit.

    That’s his philosophy by golly and he isn’t changing it.

    They also fit with the if they ain’t cheap we don’t want them philosophy.

    Why am I feeling less than confident?

  104. Shame Spencer October 19th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    MTU – With the way things go on here, I’m sure you will lol

  105. Chip October 19th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    MTU October 19th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    No one is over reacting by acknowledging the obvious flaws in the plan.

    This is actually overdue.

    It’s the accumulated knowledge of several seasons of failure.

    The Yankee charter is not just to get to the PS and die.

    It is to win it all each and every year.

    A sclerotic, one-dimensional O is not gonna get that done.

    We need more youth, higher BA, and a more balanced approach to go w the power.
    —————

    The issue is that Cashman is going to constantly point to the fact that the team is successful over the 162 game seasons and that he’s not going to make decisions based on 10 post season games each year.

    He used that as his logic for letting popular players who had good post seasons go (Matsui) and he’ll use that same logic for keeping players who have struggled in the post season (Granderson)

  106. ac1 October 19th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    How about Cody Ross in RF, Ichiro in LF?

  107. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Brian.

    You have restocked the Farm. Check.

    You have fixed our Pitching. Check.

    Now. You need to fix the O.

    Give it some Ponce DeLeon treatment and some balance.

    Make it into what you claim you have but don’t really.

    TIA.

    MTU

    :)

  108. austinmac October 19th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Chip,

    I am not opposed to guys with power. I love power, but a team filled with big swingers with no ability in critical spots to do other things, will not win. Look at the Yankee team that actually won in the playoffs. They had power, but they also had a lot of guys who could hit .280+ and do it when important.

  109. Chip October 19th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    ac1 October 19th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    How about Cody Ross in RF, Ichiro in LF?
    —————

    Ross just had a breakout season and is going to want to cash in – if the Yankees were prepared to spend that kind of money they would likely just bring back Nick Swisher who has been a more consistent performer

  110. Shame Spencer October 19th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Shame Spencer Your comment is awaiting moderation. October 19th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    —————————–

    Since when are we being moderated?

  111. Shame Spencer October 19th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    Hairy monster: http://www.contrahour.com/cont…..samer2.png

  112. Shame Spencer October 19th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    Hair monster: http://blog.rifftrax.com/wp-co…../herry.jpg

  113. Shame Spencer October 19th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    Hiary monster: http://waiversharks.com/files/2009/08/sweetums.jpg

  114. Shame Spencer October 19th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    Hmmm… okay, I can’t figure out what part of my other post needed moderation…

  115. Chip October 19th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    austinmac October 19th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Chip,

    I am not opposed to guys with power. I love power, but a team filled with big swingers with no ability in critical spots to do other things, will not win. Look at the Yankee team that actually won in the playoffs. They had power, but they also had a lot of guys who could hit .280+ and do it when important.
    ———————

    I completely agree with you. My point was just that I get where Brian’s coming from when he wants to build a team that is going to get to the post season as opposed to trying to build a team that can be assured of winning in the post season. But where he’s wrong is that in doing this he has made the team too one dimensional.

    And it wouldn’t shock me at all if the Yankees compounded the situation by replacing Ibanez with Carlos Pena.

  116. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    Chip-

    The measure of Yankee success are rings.

    Not being year in and year out bridesmaids.

    Nobody cares who finishes 2nd. They are quickly forgotten.

    Close but no cigar doesn’t fly in Yankeeland. At least I hope so.

    Their should be a continuous striving for excellence.

    If that charter has changed Brian should say so publicly.

    Along with a reduction in ticket and beer prices.

    :)

  117. Mike in Harrisburg October 19th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    I don’t blame Cashman for wanting to take a minute here to assess things a little more dispassionately. The team did get to the ALCS, after all. So obviously some things went right. If just two of the Cano/Swisher/A-Rod/Granderson quartet of failure had hit .300 in the ALCS I think the series is still going on, if not already won by New York.

    I find it discouraging he wants to double down on the home run-or-bust nature of the team, though. Baseball is a game of odds but you have to be able to react and adapt in a knockout situation rather than trying to force even harder what isn’t working. To that point I think the refusal to play small ball is more aggravating than the personnel decisions.

  118. Shame Spencer October 19th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    “One dimensional” was the trope of the off season, spring training and the entire season.

    One dimensional is exactly what this team was.

  119. Hassey October 19th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Big Hairy Monster?

    http://theblogofteresa.com/wp-.....mer018.jpg

  120. Chip October 19th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    Great line on the radio just now – with the configuration of Yankee Stadium you do not need to bring in pure sluggers to have home run hitters.

    That’s 100% correct.

    Johnny Damon wasn’t a home run hitter but with the Yankees he was good for 15 – 20 HR. If they bring him back Ichiro will probably hit around 15 HR next year.

    The Yankees should bring in gap hitters (Jeff Keppinger?) they’ll still get the HRs out of them but will also get more productive non-HR at bats.

  121. Madrugador October 19th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    Changing the team starts with changing the direction. As long as they can get under the payroll tax and fill the stands I don’t think they care whether they win or lose.
    Arod wasn’t signed to a long term deal because they thought he was going to be productive all those years. He was signed to a long term deal so people would come to watch him break the home run record. Now that that is not going to happen, that signing has turned into a huge loser for the organization.

  122. Chip October 19th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    MTU October 19th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    Chip-

    The measure of Yankee success are rings.
    —————

    That was the mantra under George – Brian is more of a Billy Beane type in that he considers the post season too unpredictable to build a team for.

  123. Mike in Harrisburg October 19th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    Also I would say I am glad the series ended in Detroit. I think it would have gotten really ugly if they had lost again in New York. I understand the explanations relating to acoustics and whatnot but to me it seemed like the fans at the stadium were the least boisterous, most eager to get on their team for not doing well. It’s a backwards mindset and I hope it changes but I don’t think it will. And I will always hate how the legends seating looks from the tight centerfield angle.

  124. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    Shame-

    The bigger they swing the harder they fall.

    or something like that.

    A younger Abreu was exactly the type of hitter the Yankees need more of now.

    :)

  125. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    Chip-

    If that’s true we’re sunk.

    :(

  126. Hassey October 19th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    anyone seen a Jeter interview yet?

  127. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    I knew Billy Beane and Brian Cashman is no Billy Beane.

    :)

  128. yankeefeminista October 19th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    Speaking of Adams (AFL yesterday):

    “David Adams capped a three-run rally with a two-RBI double and Travis Witherspoon homered as Scottsdale beat Mesa, 8-3, in the Arizona Fall League on Thursday afternoon.

    Adams, a third baseman in the Yankees system, finished 2-for-5 batting third for the Scorpions. Witherspoon, the Angels’ top outfield prospect, led off the fourth inning with his first AFL home run before Adams doubled home Alex Monsalve (Indians) and Gift Ngoepe (Pirates) to give Scottsdale a 6-0 edge.

    Batting .364, Adams has a hit in all six games this fall. He doubled and scored in the second after bouncing into a double play in his first at-bat.

    ‘It’s one of those things. You gotta go up there, trust your plan and work before the game and stick to a good approach. Good things will happen if you stay confident,” he said. “I’m just looking for something good to hit and I got something to hit.’ “

    Bring on the approach that our minor league hitters use, please. One of the reasons when they come up, they sometimes have better AB’s than the vets.

  129. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 10:42 am

    MTU October 19th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    I knew Billy Beane and Brian Cashman is no Billy Beane.

    :)
    ///

    ;). All-time classic. I had that on my telephone greeting for a while.

    He ain’t Stick Michael, either.

  130. yankeefeminista October 19th, 2012 at 10:42 am

    link: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=nyy

  131. RadioKev October 19th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    I simply agree with Cashman.

    Obviously there needs to be changes. It’s in the very first part of this post. A bunch of guys are up for free agency. Tweak the parts, but this game plan works. Find other guys. Maybe trade Grandy, or say goodbye to Swisher, or trade Alex, or trade Cano, but follow the game plan.

    There is no post season formula.

    The Cardinals barely making the playoffs, is that the formula we should be aiming for? The Tigers who shouldn’t have been in the playoffs, is that the formula we should be aiming for?

  132. Cashmoney October 19th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    cashman is one dimensional.

  133. austinmac October 19th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Mike,

    I agree rash actions aren’t needed but recognition of needs would nice. And most of the personnel can’t do small ball.

  134. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    Batting .364, Adams has a hit in all six games this fall. He doubled and scored in the second after bouncing into a double play in his first at-bat.

    ‘It’s one of those things. You gotta go up there, trust your plan and work before the game and stick to a good approach. Good things will happen if you stay confident,” he said. “I’m just looking for something good to hit and I got something to hit.’ “

    ///

    Hello YF!

    Adams for hittin’ coach! We saw Adams go the other way and up the middle many times with RISP. More of that, please.

  135. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    JAP-

    All Cashman really has to do is IMPLEMENT the philosophy he claims to have.

    What he put out there these last few seasons in NOT that.

    It’s a reflection not the real thing.

    ;)

  136. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    I should have said a “Mirage”.

    Hey. I live in the desert after all.

    ;)

  137. DONNYBROOK October 19th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    Leaving Nunez OFF the ALCS roster was an absolutely horrible mistake. Exiling him earlier was even Worse. We Now know where the Scarecrow gotta job once Dorothy went back to Kansas.

  138. Cashmoney October 19th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

  139. RadioKev October 19th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    And I really question the “too many of the same player” thinking. We had Jeter, Cano, Gardner, Gardner’s replacement. A third of the line up is different than the low AVG high OBP/SLG player.

    If it was “too many” what – one too many? How many is “too many?”

  140. blake October 19th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Gardner CF
    Jeter SS
    Cano 2B
    Tex 1B
    Headley 3B
    Melky LF
    Arod DH
    Martin C
    Ichiro RF

    cheaper, younger, better.

  141. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    It’s pouring here, and my mother-in-law woke up and saw that, and said, sadly: “It’s all the tears of all the Yankee fans this morning.”

    :(

  142. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Cashman.

    If you want to get to the Oasis again stop chasing Mirages.

    P.S. They’ll have a harem waiting for you if you get there.

    Sound good ?

    :)

  143. Patrick October 19th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    The Yankees did lead the AL in OBP but OBP across the league was down. Yankee team OBP has been on a consistent down trend for several years now

    2006 .363
    2007 .366
    2008 .342 (remember this was a down year, we missed the playoffs)
    2009 .362
    2010 .350
    2011 .343
    2012 .337

    If your goal is to maximize OBP these are the players you have to look at:

    Martin .211 avg, .311 OBP, 21 HR
    Granderson .232 avg, .319 OBP, 43 HR
    Teixeira .251 avg, .332 OBP, 24 HR
    Ibanez .240 avg, .308 OBP, 19 HR

    In other words, guys that hit a lot of HR but also hit for a low average and low OBP. I think we saw this season and postseason that you can’t have a consistent offense if you are waiting for the long ball. Good pitchers will exploit that.

    I think Granderson will be back because 40+ HR is too good to pass up on when it’s only on a 1 year contract @ $13 million. And don’t forget in 2011 he was one of the most valuable players in the league and hit .262 with a .364 OBP.

    Teixeira is obviously back, his contract is unmovable.

    So I hope Cashman targets a new DH/OF and a new catcher. Gardner will help improve the team OBP if he starts every day. I think signing Ichiro is a must; he hits for a great average which is something we don’t have much of on this roster (aside from Jeter and Cano). Napoli would be a good option at catcher/DH.

  144. Jerkface October 19th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    JF, you posted many times here that there is no such thing as “clutch”, and then you post that stuff about Cano? Care to explain?

    I don’t think this is a clutch thing, I think its an approach thing. Plus its not quite ‘clutch’ as it is simply calculating value more accurately. For example Jeter & A-rod both have a -5 discrepancy between BR & RE24. I guess you could look at it as clutch if you consider every hit with men on base in any situation (leading by 10 runs even!) as clutch, but I think most people would disagree.

    Clutch is non-existent because the criteria for being clutch is so varied & anyone who is so good as to succeed more often in the variety of situations required to be clutch is probably not clutch, just a very very good player.

  145. Bo knows October 19th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    I should have said a “Mirage”.

    Hey. I live in the desert after all.

    —————-
    I just realized that once upon a time I rec’d Wells Gray Park.

    Warning

    Your dessicated husk could blow up with all that water saturated air.

    A word to the wise… et al

  146. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    JAP-

    Tears from Heaven too !

    :(

  147. DONNYBROOK October 19th, 2012 at 10:52 am

    Any 2013 Lineup without Nunez in it, is repeating a Huge Mistake.

  148. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 10:52 am

    MTU,

    That makes sense.

    Mo always said that “God is a Jahnkee” :).

  149. Patrick October 19th, 2012 at 10:52 am

    Any 2013 Lineup without Nunez in it, is repeating a Huge Mistake.

    The guy can’t field, where should he play?

  150. Chip October 19th, 2012 at 10:52 am

    MTU:

    Jeter
    Ichiro – RF
    Cano
    Tex
    Alex – DH
    Granderson
    Martin
    Nunez – LF
    Adams – 3b

  151. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Bo-

    I’ll take my chances.

    I believe in the balanced vacationing model.

    ;)

  152. Chip October 19th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Patrick October 19th, 2012 at 10:52 am

    Any 2013 Lineup without Nunez in it, is repeating a Huge Mistake.

    The guy can’t field, where should he play?
    ——————-

    See if he can catch the ball in LF?

  153. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    JAP-

    Lou Gehrig sure thought so.

    :)

  154. Patrick October 19th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    See if he can catch the ball in LF?

    That would be nice but he also doesn’t hit for power. Let me guess, you want to trade Granderson, sign Ichiro and go with an outfield of Nunez-Gardner-Ichiro left to right. 10 HR a year from your outfield?

  155. Hassey October 19th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    Out of curiosity, I tracked down my first ever LoHud post. Was I ever really this angry of a poster? Embarrassing. Some of this was wrong, and some of it somewhat less-than-wrong, btu I won’t paraphrase in an attempt to look smart:

    Hassey May 12th, 2011 at 9:17 am
    I have to admit up fron that I am not posting here to encourage a healthy debate. I am posting this just to vent so I dont cave in my TV with my blackjack. Frankly, after watching the Yanks for 40 years, THIS IS A 90-72 TEAM. That is, with this specific group of guys. By 7/31, things may be slightly different. The culture of the current lineup is exactly the same as last year, except older. There are no signs of improvement from anyone with RISP. Swish and Tex are KILLING us again (let’s not bother talking about Jeter yet again) – they may have their moments this year, they may even get hot for 4-8 games at a time, but in the long run, our offense really is what it looked like in Sept. last year and in the ALCS.
    is Gardner really the answer in left? What an awful basestealer-his speed is too often useless.
    Swisher is back to being a LEGITIMATE .225 hitter for the past 100 games
    Posada = done
    Texeira is not the hitter he used to be AND NOT WHAT WE PAID FOR. He’s been completely unreliable since August ’09 and shows no signs of ever getting back to that.
    A-Rod still a little productive but aging vets let their slumps last a little longer each time…his hto and cold streaks have killed us lately
    Martin – nice surprise but we need Montero to get up here already

    If Larry Rothschild is getting credit this year, then obviously Eiland was nto a good pitchign coach last year. So coaches do mean at least something even at the MLB level. If that’s all true, then WHY DOES KEVIN LONG NEVER TAKE ANTY HEAT? Long may very well know more about the physics of hitting than anyoen that has ever lived. Great. Let him go teach a course at Fordham. The fact is that stats don’t lie and since Kevin Long came aboard, our situational and RISP hitting is INEXCUSABLE. Long needs to go and needs to be replaced with a Frank Howard type who calls these guys out, throws them a bat and says “see the ball, hit the ball”. These guys are all thinking way too much and being too technical about how they go about each swing. AND WHEN DID WE BECOME A LINEUP FULL OF HACKERS? We take no pitches, especially from no names. Our pitchers walk 8 people a game and we take 2 for ourselves. HACKERS! SEND LONG TO FORDHAM. OUR LINEUP SUX – STATS DON;T LIE AT THIS POINT INT HE SEASON AND WE REALLY ARE A .250 TEAM. RISP NIGHTMARE IS INEXCUSABLE AND WE’RE HAMSTRUNG TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNTIL SPOTS FREE UP TO INFUSE SOME YOUNG BLOOD. IT’S MAY, SO WAKE UP & START HITTING THE BALL ALREADY J***OFFS!

  156. yankeefeminista October 19th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AscPOozwYA8

  157. blake October 19th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    and for the record I used the sandwich pick I got for Swisher to draft the next Mike Trout and I traded Granderson for Rendon!

  158. RadioKev October 19th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    blake October 19th, 2012 at 10:48 am
    Gardner CF
    Jeter SS
    Cano 2B
    Tex 1B
    Headley 3B
    Melky LF
    Arod DH
    Martin C
    Ichiro RF

    cheaper, younger, better.
    ————

    Headley would be great, but how do we do it? Prospects we get from Granderson and another part?

    Melky probably isn’t going to happen, whether it should or shouldn’t is up for debate. I think Nunez could be serviceable out there. Maybe another Triple A guy too.

  159. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    Sign Melky. LH power for the Stadium, plus gap power can hit breaking pitches and hit for average.

    :D :D :D

  160. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    Chip-

    There’s a few thing there that I doubt will happen.

    But at least you’re trying to be a little more creative.

  161. yankeefeminista October 19th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    I’ll go out on a limb, and bet that Heathcott, if he stays healthy, is a regular in our lineup before Zoilo is.

  162. blake October 19th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    “Headley would be great, but how do we do it? Prospects we get from Granderson and another part?”

    I don’t know…..I’m just drawing the blue print….Cashman has to do the work!

  163. yankeefeminista October 19th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    Hi Pruf, yes, I am on board re: the Melkman, but it will never never happen.

  164. blake October 19th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    “Sign Melky. LH power for the Stadium, plus gap power can hit breaking pitches and hit for average.”

    they should but there is zero chance they sign Melky IMO….there is a better chance they sign Hamilton than Melky

  165. DONNYBROOK October 19th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    1st of all, Nunez hits for Power. 2nd, we got Gardner out there Now, so what’s with the power issue in LF? 3rdly, STOP repeating what Cashman has conditioned you Parrots into saying. Nunez Can field.

  166. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    The Melkito fits their financial model better than Josh :D

  167. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Hassey, lol. You’re allowed :D.

  168. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    Blake-

    Yeah Man.

    Just give Cashman his marching orders.

    Let him do the grunt work.

    ;)

  169. Patrick October 19th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    1st of all, Nunez hits for Power. 2nd, we got Gardner out there Now, so what’s with the power issue in LF? 3rdly, STOP repeating what Cashman has conditioned you Parrots into saying. Nunez Can field.

    Nunez is a terrible fielder, do you watch the games?

    He does not have power. He has never hit for power (even in the minors) and will never hit for power.

    I would be perfectly happy with him at SS if he could field the position. But currently, he cannot. Maybe in the future he will but right now he’s a butcher in the field.

  170. yankeefeminista October 19th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    DB, well um yeah, Nunez was one of our best bats from the get go, but we didn’t see it that way. You’d have thought that with Jeter entrenched, we would have had Nunez working on that SU role, going back a couple of years, but somehow that seemingly logical move eluded us. Still now sure why we thought he could just miraculously play 3B or OF without any prep. Look at all the prep Alex had to do (coached by Bowa et al) when he made the switch from SS to 3B, and Alex is a super athlete.

  171. Cashmoney October 19th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    i acknowledge Nunez is prone to making errors because his footwork and questionable arm accuracy. but the, the problem is really Yankee can’t afford the luxury to find out if he can as usual. I think he be aight in the OF but honestly his bat really plays up at ss.

    would guys like Nunez ever get a full season chance to prove it, prolly not.

  172. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    Nunez needs to go the Arthur Murray school of dance.

    Or maybe study Yoga or Pilates.

    :)

  173. RadioKev October 19th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    For the record, I’d sign Melky too if it was around league minimum.

    But I also understand the organization’s concerns about his work ethic. They had concerns before, and then he turned around a cut some huge corners and put his new teams in jeopardy.

  174. yankeefeminista October 19th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    True, Nunez doesn’t hit for power, but at least he actually has bat speed and isn’t an all or nothing “hero” swinger.

  175. Tackelberry October 19th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Nunez is heading to Venezula to play winter ball so he can work on his fielding specifically. Lets hope it pays off cause the guy can hit and run, and has a great arm. With Jeter no lock for Opening Day next year, Nunez becomes a very important piece of the puzzle heading into next season.

  176. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    YF-

    How’s the ankle ?

  177. Chip October 19th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Patrick October 19th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    See if he can catch the ball in LF?

    That would be nice but he also doesn’t hit for power. Let me guess, you want to trade Granderson, sign Ichiro and go with an outfield of Nunez-Gardner-Ichiro left to right. 10 HR a year from your outfield?
    —————-

    Actually, for next year I would probably go with Nunez/Gardner-Granderson-Ichiro LF to RF. Would I still like to move Granderson? Absolutely. But I don’t think the Yankees will.

    Second of all – I think that playing a full season in New York Ichiro would hit 15 HR by accident. He hit 5 in 230 regular season at bats after coming to New York.

  178. Shame Spencer October 19th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    My comment is still awaiting moderation… I think the words ‘Kevin Youkilis’ are considered a curse on here or something.

  179. Hassey October 19th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    YES – Nunez needs to compete on Dancing With The Stars

  180. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Nunez does have some hidden power. Good line drive hitter. When you have bat speed and can square it up, the ball will travel for you. I like Nuney a lot, and I would be up for him getting reps in OF, at SS, and even 3B… bring in Bowa and let him work with the kid in the IF. The bat, the legs, the youth: too good to waste for a team so lacking in these qualities.

  181. Cashmoney October 19th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    kev, aside from taking a roster spot. there is almost zero risk to taking 1 year contract with low base on anyone. what’s the worse, you let him go. that said, Melky will get a offer of 3 mil range imo.

  182. Patrick October 19th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    They gave Nunez a chance this year and he was SO BAD in the field they had to send him down to AAA. It’s not about giving Nunez more chances, he’s proven that he cannot field a position… any position. It’s on him and the coaching staff to figure it out and improve. There is no way Nunez is starting on the Yankees on opening day. Maybe by midseason if he can go prove that he is a better fielder.

  183. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    “With Jeter no lock for Opening Day next year, Nunez becomes a very important piece of the puzzle heading into next season.”

    True.

    And Nix.

  184. ac1 October 19th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    Great line on the radio just now – with the configuration of Yankee Stadium you do not need to bring in pure sluggers to have home run hitters.

    ___

    In the yankees best years, there were no super sluggers.
    In 1998, Tino lead the team with 28 HRs.
    I believe we had 5 players hit .300 + and good pitching (which i believe we have if we bring kuroda and pettitte back).

  185. ac1 October 19th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    Regarding Bowa, I think Girardi should get him back on his coaching staff.
    You would think Pena would be tired of being #2 by now.
    If he goes for whatever reason (maybe toronto after farrell goes to boston), make Bowa the bench coach and let him work with Nunez. Also, he has that harda$s attitude i think we need.

  186. yankeefeminista October 19th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    Hi MTU, thanks for asking. I put weight on it for the first time yesterday. Soon to be more mobile, but no baseball games at NYS left to attend. :(

    And thanks to everyone who offered to help me out at the Stadium, had I gotten there: G Love, Pruf, Tarheel… :)

  187. DONNYBROOK October 19th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    - Patrick The Parrot -

    (1) First you, (or is it Cashman), says Nunez “is a terrible fielder”. Then, you say he “Currently” can not field. Which is it?

    (2) Then you claim, “he does Not have power”. WRONG

    (3) Nunez’s performance vs Detroit speaks for itself. The Kid filled the breach admirably when Jeet went down.

  188. Chip October 19th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    ac1 October 19th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    Great line on the radio just now – with the configuration of Yankee Stadium you do not need to bring in pure sluggers to have home run hitters.

    ___

    In the yankees best years, there were no super sluggers.
    In 1998, Tino lead the team with 28 HRs.
    I believe we had 5 players hit .300 + and good pitching (which i believe we have if we bring kuroda and pettitte back).
    ———–

    Agreed – I would be happy to sacrifice the HR hitters if I get better overall hitters. Gap hitters like O’Neill and Tino (or like Tex used to be) who also hit HRs vs a guy like Granderson who only hits HRs.

  189. jacksquat October 19th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    blake October 19th, 2012 at 10:48 am
    Gardner CF
    Jeter SS
    Cano 2B
    Tex 1B
    Headley 3B
    Melky LF
    Arod DH
    Martin C
    Ichiro RF

    cheaper, younger, better.

    Sign me up.

    We have no idea how much Ichiro wants though. What if he wants 10 mil?

  190. Cashmoney October 19th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    exhibit A, ichiro, AC.

    Patrick, he was atrocious with limited game. but i would like to see they stick him in one position and see how he does. I think the likely scenario is that Nunez will eventual find a every day position with other team and be okay at it. But maybe his energetic offensive injection will give em second thoughts, stay tuned as usual.

  191. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    YF-

    Show Jeter how it’s done.

    Maybe you 2 can work out together ?

    :)

  192. Chip October 19th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    DONNYBROOK October 19th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    (3) Nunez’s performance vs Detroit speaks for itself. The Kid filled the breach admirably when Jeet went down.
    —————–

    Don’t make decisions on 4 at bats.

  193. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    YF, when I see you down here at Waterfront, you’ll be 100 percent! If not, give a holler ;).

  194. Chip October 19th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    jacksquat October 19th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    We have no idea how much Ichiro wants though. What if he wants 10 mil?
    ————

    For Ichiro it’s not the money, it’s the years. If he wants 1 year at $10 M that’s fine. If he wants 3 years at $8M/year then no.

  195. MTU October 19th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    There’s a new thread in town —->

  196. Shame Spencer October 19th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    Chad wants to chat!! And I didn’t even put on make up this morning, oh no! :arrow:

  197. Jerkface October 19th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    They gave Nunez a chance this year and he was SO BAD in the field they had to send him down to AAA. It’s not about giving Nunez more chances, he’s proven that he cannot field a position… any position. It’s on him and the coaching staff to figure it out and improve. There is no way Nunez is starting on the Yankees on opening day. Maybe by midseason if he can go prove that he is a better fielder.

    No, he was fine in the field when he played SS primarily. He played sparingly and at varied positions and thus was not good. He needs consistency, he doesn’t have the skill set to move between multiple positions with limited play time.

  198. Jerkface October 19th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    Shame,

    Your comment is awaiting moderation because it included more than 1 link.

  199. jacksquat October 19th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    JF (and others), I think Cano being by far (recently) the best hitter in the lineup, simply gets pitched around when men are in scoring position, and instead of being disciplined, he often chases. He has gotten a little better, but not nearly enough. In this postseason he got worse, much worse. Tex can easily be pitched to and Arod is not scaring anyone anymore. Need someone behind him. (and no, this year it wasn’t Montero) Is Headley enough? Would Joe actually recognize that Tex and Arod are not stopping opposing pitchers from pitching around Cano?

  200. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    Nunez got zero PT in the OF during ST, and yet they threw him into the lion’s den in left field. He made a great athletic play out there, and then got humbled as someone who was green.

    They really ought to plan these things better. We don’t know that he “can’t” play the OF.

  201. Patrick October 19th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    - Donny the Dope -

    (1) Saying a player is a terrible fielder and saying he “currently” cannot field is the same thing. Right now he’s a terrible fielder. I have hope he can be better in the future but he has to prove it.

    (2) Nunez has a career .384 SLG. That means he has no power. For comparison: Brett Gardner has a career .368 SLG, Ichiro has a career .390 SLG. In Nunez’s best season he had a .433 SLG with 9 HR. That was 3 years ago and in AA, since then he’s never come close to the same number. Not to mention that .433 SLG is not a “power hitter”, it’s basically Derek Jeter levels of power.

    (3) Nunez played 2 good games vs Detroit. TWO. With 1 error of course.

    Nunez is a decent hitter with good speed but he has no position.

  202. Madrugador October 19th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    Is no one else bothered that the two teams with the fewest wins look like they are going to face each other in the WS? Even more, the Cards look like they are going to make it because of an awful in field fly rule call. I am still scratching my head.

  203. Tarheel In NYC October 19th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    YF,

    We’ve got your back—-figuratively and literally ;)

  204. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    It very well could have been Montero that provided Cano with protection at some point in the season.

    Christ, Montero last year was even BB’d at times.

  205. RadioKev October 19th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Madrugador,

    The Tigers shouldn’t have even made the post season. The Angels AND The Rays had better records. But we have the wonderful division system.

  206. Jerkface October 19th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Jacksquat, I don’t believe in protection & Cano was negative every year except last year. I think its simply what he is going to be. I don’t think putting anyone behind him is going to do anything, he has always been in the amazing yankee lineups.

  207. longtimefan October 19th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    Cashman needs to stop patting himself on the back for the Ibanez deal, yes it proved to be a good move, but many other moves did not. Watching Coke Jackson and Sherzer made that evident throw in the Pineda deal and the constant praise of the below average Martin and he looks out of touch. This team needs an over haul not a cliche quoting GM with his head up his ass

  208. Madrugador October 19th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    RadioKev

    Would you just blow up the division system? I guess with interleague slated to happen throughout the year, there probably the opportunity to get rid of divisional baseball and just have two leagues. Top five teams in every league make the playoffs?

    A lot of teams are going to lose interest down the stretch in that case.

  209. Lost October 19th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    “The attendance for the playoff at home games should give the Yankees a view to the future if the team slips. They have no guarantee of packed houses or good tv viewership.”

    Couple of things:

    It seems to me that Cashman is either trying to quell any notion that they are going to spend this winter. What is truly outrageous is that he thinks this is just a “slump”. You have to wonder how many games he watched this year and if he is even paying attention to the rapidly declining players he’s putting on the field. I’m having a difficult time believing that he thinks there is little wrong with this team.

    IMHO, this is a terribly frustrating and sleepy team to watch play. You can list many reasons for this but the bottom line is it is boring to watch. For a Yankee team to not sell out in a post season is saying something loud and clear. If Cash and crew choose to ignore what is plainly and painfully obvious to the majority of the fan base, the fact that there will be less tickets sold and lower ratings to be had won’t be the only problems they’ll have. It will get very ugly, fast.

    There are many problems in the Yankee’s universe at the moment, some trivial and some non trivial. The Yanks org has a lot figuring out to do and I sure hope they step up.

  210. disco stu October 19th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    It is so frustrating to see how the model that worked so beautifully from ’96 to ’01 has been completed abandoned now … have an offense of high OBP hitters who you would not categorize as home run hitters (i.e. Bernie, O’Neill, Tino, Jorge, Jeter, Brosius, etc.) but are more than capable of hitting home runs in big spots.

    They didnt just win league best records or first round playoff series with that philosophy, they won mutliple championships (including 3 in a row).

    And as i stated before, even though the ’09 team packed a lot of thunder and hit a ton of home runs, they also didnt live and die by it … see 9th inning, Game 4, 2009 WS against Lidge.

    The genie seems to be out of the bottle now … by their own admission the Yankees are now moving forward being built on an offense that sits back and waits for the 3 run homer … and with each passing post season flame out, Cashman will continue to repeat the same narrative over and over again …

    What happend to the whole notion of “It aint broke, don’t fix it” … I still continue to wonder, if Mo had saved Game 7 in 2001, how much different would these past 10 years have been like?

  211. luis October 19th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Good morning everyone,

    1) Balance wins… A balanced pitching staff and a balanced lineup… I am not opposed to power hitters, but you need average and good situational hitters as well… This lineup was

  212. jpao89 October 19th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    Once upon a time (although briefly) this franchise actually concentrated on drafting high end talent, DEVELOPING it and then showing the patience with it. The results of this Yankee organization with its resources concentrating on finding and developing talent were astounding to behold and need not be recounted here.

    Now, they Yankees same incapable of developing or, even worse, holding onto talent. The old excuse of “George is too crazy to tolerate development” is not available. Cashman is running this show and has been for a while. Moreoever, Hal Steinbrenner wants to get the payroll down. Thus, younger and cheaper players should be at a premium. Yet, Cashman is the one throwing away the Montero’s and Austin Jacksons for the higher priced alternative/cumulative players.

    Cashman’s abilities seem limited. I will give it to him that he can put a good regular season team together. But the continued failures in postseason should have set off an alarm bell in him by now. Instead, he retreats into “rationalization land” buoyed by the firm belief that any team that he puts together should have won and only didn’t because, “dem da breaks.”

    Sorry, but in my opinion this organization could use some fresh blood running things. While I do not miss George’s “give that A-Rod guy a huge contract” characteristics, I do miss the fact that he would have canned Cashman by now.

  213. jpao89 October 19th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    The Yankees led the Major Leagues in on-base percentage, home runs and OPS this season. That is a fact. But what about batting average? I realize it is no longer the stat it once was but can batting average be tossed to the wayside? I think not. After all, one way to get on base is a hit. I would argue that it is the most productive way to get on base. I would also like to see the coorelation between home runs, strike outs and contact. Granderson was a great home run hitter who could not get a guy home from third with less than two outs to save his life.

    Cashman seems bewildered as to why the stats he relies on are failing to produce the results he wants. Perhaps it is because relying on the homerun works fine over a large sample size of a 162 game season but does not work so well over a short sample size of a post season series where the pitching is superior and the ball is not flying out.

  214. unclemike1776 October 20th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    Insanity- doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results. The last twelve years the Yankees have one the World Series once, which is great, but they also have spent around $2 Billion! The Yankees are putting a team out there that is good enough to win a lot of games, but comes up short in the playoffs. They really have to come up with a team formula that isn’t so reliant on the long ball. ( It is also going to be very difficult watching Austin Jackson play for the next 15 years!)

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