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Friday night notes and links

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Oct 19, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Just a few links from this first day of the offseason.

• Jon Heyman reports that the Yankees are almost certainly going to make Nick Swisher a qualifying offer this offseason — they have to do that to get compensation for him if he signs elsewhere — but Heyman says the Yankees have no plans of seriously pursuing a multi-year deal with their current right fielder. It’s certainly going to take a multi-year deal to sign Swisher.

• Also from Heyman, and also not a surprise, the Yankees are going to pick up Curtis Granderson’s option for next season. That’s a no-brainer. Heyman says a long-term extension isn’t likely. Also not surprising.

• Over at the Daily News, John Harper quotes an unnamed Yankee saying that the booing at home during the ALCS had a significant impact in the clubhouse. “I really think the booing spooked a lot of guys,” the player said. “A lot of guys hadn’t been booed before, and they couldn’t believe how nasty it got in the stands.”

• I was talking to Brian Cashman when Kevin Long did his postgame interview yesterday, so I missed him saying that Curtis Granderson’s postseason struggles might have been a confidence issue. “There might have been a little bit of self doubt that I saw,” Long said.

• Apparently the Red Sox are working toward making John Farrell their new manager. Joe McDonald and Gordon Edes report that Boston is trying to figure out the proper compensation for Toronto, which currently has Farrell as its manager. That’s significant for the Yankees because their bench coach, Tony Pena, has interviewed for the Red Sox job.

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206 Responses to “Friday night notes and links”

  1. Ys Guy October 19th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    Ys Guy October 19th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    anybody want to throw out a prediction for arod’s stats next season?

    i’ll go with 118 games 22 hr, 78 rbi, .280 ba .750 ops and he starts 85 games at 3b.

    a slight bounceback but not much and imo the last notable season of his career

  2. andrewmelillo October 19th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    Granderson option 15 mil pick u p

  3. Cashmoney October 19th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    oldie but goodie…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2aha4uEpEQ

  4. yankeefeminista October 19th, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    Yankee fans who boo their own players are morons.

  5. Ys Guy October 19th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    listen, its great the alex led the yankees to the 2009 WS title. he did a great job then, but at an average of over 27M per year and his reputation as the ‘best player in baseball’ 1 championship in 14 seasons as a yankee (at least that was the plan…) its really not much.

    and the negative of his anti-leadership this year when they needed him takes alot of the shine off 2009, imo.

  6. NYY_Girl_Penny October 19th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    • Over at the Daily News, John Harper quotes an unnamed Yankee saying that the booing at home during the ALCS had a significant impact in the clubhouse. “I really think the booing spooked a lot of guys,” the player said. “A lot of guys hadn’t been booed before, and they couldn’t believe how nasty it got in the stands.”

    —-

    muli-million dollar cry babies. that’s the problem with this team, they’re soft. The above just is case in point. Grow a pair NYY’s !!

    if this organization makes only minor changes there will be a very empty stadium next year.. my tail won’t be in a seat once next season that’s for sure!

  7. Ys Guy October 19th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    ““A lot of guys hadn’t been booed before, and they couldn’t believe how nasty it got in the stands.”

    -shut up and get outta here swisher….

  8. NYY_Girl_Penny October 19th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    BTW, they were playing like dung before the boo’ing started and after it.. nice try, I am not buying the BS story and even if it is true I am not buying that either.

    True Pro’s to cry about boo’s. then again these guys are hardly pro’s.

  9. NYY_Girl_Penny October 19th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Ys Guy October 19th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
    ““A lot of guys hadn’t been booed before, and they couldn’t believe how nasty it got in the stands.”

    -shut up and get outta here swisher….
    ——

    Seriously !

  10. Bret The Hitman October 19th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Swisher – HE GONE

  11. Ys Guy October 19th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    this yankees team deserve more boos than they got in the alcs.

  12. ZMANINSJ October 19th, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    Penny, I fully agree with you. Of course, if they didn’t suck so badly, there would be no booing in the first place. A-Rod should waive his no-trade clause, because he will be regaled with boos on a nightly basis going forward.

  13. NYY_Girl_Penny October 19th, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    I was talking to Brian Cashman when Kevin Long did his postgame interview yesterday, so I missed him saying that Curtis Granderson’s postseason struggles might have been a confidence issue. “There might have been a little bit of self doubt that I saw,” Long said.

    ———-

    This is more comical.. we should start making a list of all the excuses… again, was Lil Curtis scared all year ? When did it start ? PLEASE Trade this clown!

  14. luis October 19th, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    Y’s Guy,

    I think Odds has a point…He anchored our team for close to a decade…His 2009 PS was for the ages….So he is not perfect, nobody is my friend..I give him a pass, who knows what was happening in that clubhouse

  15. yankeefeminista October 19th, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    Alex was booed at Yankee Stadium even when he was great. And I agree that if players using being booed as an excuse for playing poorly, then they are lost. However, booing your own players is moronic.

  16. Cashmoney October 19th, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    I can pic Thurman smacking the living daylight out of these ‘boys’… but if you get get your ego bruised by twitter in this instant gratification time… nothing comes as surprise. I hope nick gf give him a boo boo kiss before bedtime. somehow this make me think of Francis Macomber.

  17. Ys Guy October 19th, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    i predicted in august that the arod situation was going to become ugly and unsustainable by midseason next year. i couldnt have seen that it was going to become so ugly so quickly but it doesnt surprise me.

    if there is any chance of getting out of nyc before next year, he should jump on that chance b/c people will be buying tickets just to boo him if he doesnt turn it around next season and i dont think he can.

  18. mick October 19th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    so we can only express our pleasure but not displeasure?

  19. yankeefeminista October 19th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    And citing only 2009 re: Alex’s value is ridiculous. Guess you missed his whole Yankee career. The guy was a beast. He carried us almost every year. I too wish he was his former self, but that contract is on the Yankees, and not Alex.

  20. ZMANINSJ October 19th, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    You’re right Ys Guy. And A-Rod is toast — of course, it’s only the beginning of his decline. We’ll see a further erosion of his talent going forward. He should run for the border.

  21. andrewmelillo October 19th, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    Bunch of babies

  22. luis October 19th, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    YF,

    Booing is moronic is an understatement…But using it as an excuse for their poor play is lame

  23. Bronx Jeers October 19th, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    Tough situation all around although it certainly wasn’t ARod that got spooked. That guy gets booed everywhere. Frankly I don’t know how he copes with it.

    But pitiful performances rarely earn pity in The Bronx.

  24. luis October 19th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    YF,

    Re: Arod….QFT

  25. Bret The Hitman October 19th, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    From the owner to the general manager to the players – we fans have heard NOTHING but excuses for this implosion. We’ve heard players complain about booing and others refuse to waive their no-trade clauses. We’ve heard Hal glaze over empty seats and a horrible playoff offense that has not changed for half a decade.

  26. yankeefeminista October 19th, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    I and others mentioned that the Alex situation would get ugly before this season even started. Yanks somehow missed that he was no longer able to be Da Man although a bunch of us saw it coming, and knew the fans would have a field day with him. Yanks solution was to bench him in the playoffs. Great foresight. SMH.

  27. NYY_Girl_Penny October 19th, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    I’ve never once Boo’d the Yankees.. I’m not sure if I ever will either, but these guys deserved to be boo’d and ridiculed.

    There are times when boo’ing is for sure appropriate and inappropriate.

  28. luis October 19th, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    I forgot two MVP seasons 05-07 If I am not mistaken

  29. Ys Guy October 19th, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    listen, i was totally against signing arod’s latest contract b/c it seemed obvious that the back end was going to be horrible. and as it turns out, this was the last season of the front end, so it seems even worse now.

    but i give him credit for the seasons leading up to 2009 and that championship.

    but as predicted (and as was obvious) the back end of this contract is going to be horrific. the yankees already want out and the 6th season hasnt started yet.

    i thought he was great in 2009. but seriously, is one championship he led them to enough for , what 14 years and $400 million dollars?

    no way. slice it any way you want but it turns out to be the worst contract in baseball history.

  30. yankeefeminista October 19th, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    If the Yanks don’t make excuses then they have to take responsibility. The best thing that can come out of this disaster is reevaluation and a new way of doing things. Here’s hoping.

  31. Bret The Hitman October 19th, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    We’ve heard the general manager state that he has no plans to change any of the coaching.

  32. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    Cashmoney October 19th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    oldie but goodie…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2aha4uEpEQ
    ///

    Ha, forgot all about FYC. Raw and the Cooked was awesome. “She Drives Me Crazy” is also appropriate for the nonce:

  33. ZMANINSJ October 19th, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    If John Lennon were still alive he’d say that many of you think A-Rod is bigger than Jesus. It’s laughable. I can’t wait until they somehow find a way to rid themselves of this false and fallen icon.

  34. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

  35. Cashmoney October 19th, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    boo or cheers… much ado with nothing. if fans want to express their displeasure then so be it. it’s neither moronic nor brilliant.

  36. Bronx Jeers October 19th, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    And this anonymous player needs to STFU. This is not the kind of info that should be leaking from the clubhouse. That right there tells me something’s rotten in Denmark.

  37. yankeefeminista October 19th, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    The contract’s on the Yankees, and the first contract was decent. Alex’s supporting cast blew, and Alex couldn’t pitch for them. Kevin Brown says hello.

  38. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    ZMan,

    I thought John said he and the Beatles were bigger than Jesus? :D

  39. Bret The Hitman October 19th, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    It is one copout and coverup after another.

    Swisher – you DESERVED the booing because you SUCK

    Cashman – you have NOT built a team that knows how to hit playoff pitching and your hitting instructor SUCKS and so does the whole team hitting philosophy

    Hal – you are CHEAP and we see right through you. As long as we make the playoffs you’re profitable enough and happy.

    Take us for granted, I dare you.

  40. mick October 19th, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    So now it’s the fault of the booing fans that caused this implosion.
    This team quit. They showed no fight. That deserves booing.
    They don’t handle pressure well, Alex and Swish, that’s why they are and were booed.

  41. Cashmoney October 19th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    superb stuff Jap, but i am partial to this Elvis cover.. over all, FYC were a good band in my book.

  42. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    That right there tells me something’s rotten in Denmark.
    ///

    Heaven will direct it…?

  43. ZMANINSJ October 19th, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    J. Alfred — he did. I was just tweaking the statement to be applicable to the present.

  44. yankeefeminista October 19th, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    The crying sounds like Nicky.

    lol, Cashmoney re: Thurman, Macomber, and great and apt song!

    Luis, totally agree about the booing: “But using it as an excuse for their poor play is lame”

  45. Ys Guy October 19th, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    two parties have to agree and live up to any contract. the yankees were stupid but arod signed, knowing what the expectations were. now he’s paying for not being worth what he’s paid. he knew coming in that that was the deal. he signed now he’s going ot have to deal with the consequences.

    and i dont let the yankees off the hook either. it was the most ridiculous contract ever when they proposed it and they were crazy to offer it. but when you take it, you assume the responsibility for living up to it. now he’s paying for that decision to opt out.

  46. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    Cash, they were boss, whatever happened to them? Cool that they copped Levi-Strauss, too :D

  47. yankeefeminista October 19th, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    The team can’t hit offspeed stuff. Go get hitters who can. Melky for one.

  48. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    yankeefeminista October 19th, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    The team can’t hit offspeed stuff. Go get hitters who can. Melky for one.
    ////

    Approved. :D

  49. luis October 19th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    Y’s,

    You are right it was a bad contract,but that is hardly his fault…Who is guilty,the monkey with a gun or the person that gave the gun to the monkey?

  50. Ys Guy October 19th, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    you ask crazy money for tickets, you get a fanbase that is demanding and won’t accept lameness. this was a lame team and people booed. if you dont want booing for a crappy team, go play in san diego or kc or seattle although i’ve heard booing in all those parks.

    this is new york, come big or go home.

  51. mick October 19th, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    When you live and die by the HR this is what happens.

  52. ZMANINSJ October 19th, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    Being born in 1966, I’m probably older than quite a few of you. I remember the lean years before 1976. Bobby Murcer was my idol. We didn’t have much to cheer, but then again, the players weren’t filthy rich or over-entitled. With the economic gap between the fans and the players at an all-time high, it’s no wonder and understandable that fans will voice their displeasure over a crappy product.

  53. Ys Guy October 19th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    luis, both. he was making tons of money but he wanted more. he gets what he deserves.

  54. Bret The Hitman October 19th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    Cashman’s guys – Granderson, Swisher, Teixeira, Martin, Gardner

    Hank’s guy – Alex Rodriguez

    Cashman’s outcasts – Melky, Austin Jackson, Ian Kennedy, Eduardo Nunez (didn’t even make PS roster before Jeter’s injury).

    They’ve done Jeter and the core four a gross disservice.

  55. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    ZMANINSJ October 19th, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    J. Alfred — he did. I was just tweaking the statement to be applicable to the present.
    ///

    I see :D

  56. Ys Guy October 19th, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    night all!

  57. Bronx Jeers October 19th, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    The fault lies not in the stars but in the team’s stars.

  58. Cashmoney October 19th, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    Thanks YF… now comes the winter of discontent and yearnings of spring.

  59. ZMANINSJ October 19th, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    Here here on bringing Melky back. He would come cheap now. I’d take his .300 average and 20 HRs in a NY minute.

  60. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    ZMANINSJ October 19th, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    Being born in 1966, I’m probably older than quite a few of you. I remember the lean years before 1976. Bobby Murcer was my idol. We didn’t have much to cheer, but then again, the players weren’t filthy rich or over-entitled. With the economic gap between the fans and the players at an all-time high, it’s no wonder and understandable that fans will voice their displeasure over a crappy product
    ///

    Born in 1960, right here :) That’s why I know what Lennon actually said.

  61. Against All Odds October 19th, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    listen, its great the alex led the yankees to the 2009 WS title. he did a great job then, but at an average of over 27M per year and his reputation as the ‘best player in baseball’ 1 championship in 14 seasons as a yankee (at least that was the plan…) its really not much.

    and the negative of his anti-leadership this year when they needed him takes alot of the shine off 2009, imo.

    ———————-

    The way sports are set-up now 1 WS title should go a long way. Every new rule that comes whether it’s baseball, basketball or football is designed to level the playing field. Ppl love the new wild card and I understand why but now a team that wouldn’t have made it does.

  62. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    ZMANINSJ October 19th, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    Here here on bringing Melky back. He would come cheap now. I’d take his .300 average and 20 HRs in a NY minute.
    ////

    Cashman has no use for .300 hitters ;).

  63. yankeefeminista October 19th, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    A lame team or a lame GM who constructed the flawed team? Let them boo the GM who put the team together and who still doesn’t get it.

  64. ZMANINSJ October 19th, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    Melky is fun to watch too. The Yankees need more than an aging Jeter to excite the fan base. Lord knows, watching the heart of the order whiff every other AB is not very pleasing. Go young or go home.

  65. Against All Odds October 19th, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    luis October 19th, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    YF,

    Booing is moronic is an understatement…But using it as an excuse for their poor play is lame

    ———————-

    It is but I don’t think it’s just booing but when they booed. Think about it the team has a big win in the ALDS and a couple of days later guys after getting booed after a few at bats. Not a few games but at bats.

  66. Bret The Hitman October 19th, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    The plan is patience.

    We’re happy with the team we’ve got.

    Prices are too high (except when it comes to other GM’s).

    We’re always monitoring the market but I don’t foresee anything happening.

    We like our chances.

    I’m not going to make a trade just for the sake of making a trade.

    My hands are tied.

    We don’t foresee any changes to the coaching.

    We believe in player (x, y, z) and the rest of the players who got us here.

    We have some small moves that we can do but nothing that really makes much sense.

    ***********

    See the pattern?

  67. ZMANINSJ October 19th, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    Cashman must be living on borrowed time. I can’t believe he’s still here. And, yes, I would relish the opportunity to boo him.

  68. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    ZMANINSJ October 19th, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    Melky is fun to watch too. The Yankees need more than an aging Jeter to excite the fan base. Lord knows, watching the heart of the order whiff every other AB is not very pleasing. Go young or go home.
    ///

    & take a look at his numbers with RISP, late & close, high leverage… he would have knocked some guys in for us.

  69. RMS October 19th, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    You don’t like the booing here, go play for the Phillies. What a bunch of babies.

  70. yankeefeminista October 19th, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    Odds, I understand.

    Bret, you forgot “It’s a process.”

  71. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    Cashman should never utter the word “patience.”

    You f’n kidding me?

    Like he had patience with Chamberlain the starter?

    Like he had patience with Montero the catcher?

    Patience for what, exactly??

    For you to pull another 40-year old platoon, pull-hitting lefty out of your ass?

    How about patience for developing young starters and position players??

    For that you have no patience.

  72. RMS October 19th, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    Cashman has no use for .300 hitters

    ——————————————————————————————–
    That’s right. And Melky isn’t a big hairy monster that hits a lot of homers.

  73. ZMANINSJ October 19th, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    I bet that Melky homers more often than A-Rod next year.

  74. ZMANINSJ October 19th, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    A-Rod will be Granderson without the power next year. It’s going to be ugly, wherever he ends up.

  75. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    RMS October 19th, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    Cashman has no use for .300 hitters

    ——————————————————————————————–
    That’s right. And Melky isn’t a big hairy monster that hits a lot of homers.
    ZMANINSJ October 19th, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    I bet that Melky homers more often than A-Rod next year.
    ///

    I think, because of our park, he could net 25. He has developed some power from the right side, too. He really started to get some loft on the ball, even in 2009.

  76. Bret The Hitman October 19th, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    “I’m not going to make any panic moves”

  77. Cashmoney October 19th, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    “Honey, I shrunk the bats”… good night all.

  78. ZMANINSJ October 19th, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    Melky will be contrite next year. I bet he is a model citizen, with a point to prove.

  79. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    ZMANINSJ October 19th, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    Melky will be contrite next year. I bet he is a model citizen, with a point to prove.
    ///

    As long as he pretends to be :D.

  80. ZMANINSJ October 19th, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    Yeah, JAP, pretending is fine by me too.

  81. yankeefeminista October 19th, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    ‘Night, Cashmoney.

    Pruf, I actually was on board with that patience, thinking Cash actually meant it. Maybe 189 will force him to practice what he preaches. 2014-15 could be plenty sweet if we are indeed patient and smart.

    Odds, sitting through 6 years at the Stadium of Alex being booed game in and game out no matter how he played was excruciating.

  82. Cashmoney October 19th, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    one for levity…” I bet she gives great helmet. “

  83. Against All Odds October 19th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    Odds, sitting through 6 years at the Stadium of Alex being booed game in and game out no matter how he played was excruciating.

    ————————

    It had to be. I remember in 06 in certain games it was based on what he did that at bat no matter if the game was close or not.

  84. J. Alfred Prufrock October 19th, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    ZMANINSJ October 19th, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    Yeah, JAP, pretending is fine by me too.
    ////

    OMG, me too. The hypocrisy in this sport is thick.

  85. yankeefeminista October 19th, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    I’ll happily take the July Alex who actually hit RHP. I don’t expect him to be the old Alex. So, don’t build your lineup thinking he is . It’s just the way it is.

    Odds, it was hard to even go to games. It was that bad. And I attended every game in those days.

  86. luis October 19th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    Gonna callita night guys…

    JAP,

    Patience? LOL, he is the epitome for knee jerk moves…He taks the talk, but he hardly walks the walk.

    Good night everyone, let’s hope they do exercise some patience…We certainly had a very interesting showing in the Tigers series of how the lack of patience from our part turned against us…Imagine Jackson roaming CF

  87. luis October 19th, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    Good night Cash, Y’s et al

  88. yankeefeminista October 19th, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    The Giants stay alive!

    Dulces sueños, luis!

  89. luis October 19th, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    Igualmente YF ;)

  90. Against All Odds October 19th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    Odds, it was hard to even go to games. It was that bad. And I attended every game in those days.

    ————————-

    You have the patience of a saint. That sounds so unbearable smh.

  91. fantasygame101 October 19th, 2012 at 11:22 pm

    memos to the players who were affected. The fans did not want to boo you, if you think otherwise then there must be a reason why you can not adjust to get out of your slumps. The reactions to simple things is another example to differentiate Jeter from this other guys.

  92. ctyankeefan. October 19th, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    Lol some of the posts here are just insane… hard to tell if some or trolling or serious. Anyways, booing really is pretty stupid. The players know they’re not performing and at a time when theyre trying to gain confidence having their own stadium full of their own fans booing doesnt help. It doesnt matter how much youre paid and how thick skinned you are, booing will not help. I hope at your job theres a ton of people booing whenever you dont do something correctly, especially something where if youre good at your job you succeed only a third of the time (ex. batting .300)

  93. yankeefeminista October 19th, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    Thanks, luis. :)

    Odds, I don’t know about having the patience of a saint, but I was inclined to defend him.

    Unfortunately, as per this year’s booing affecting certain players, getting away from the booing on the road didn’t exactly help. ;)

  94. Against All Odds October 19th, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    Odds, I don’t know about having the patience of a saint, but I was inclined to defend him.
    ————————-

    I’m sure he would appreciate it YFM. I wonder if he feels every Yankee fan hates him.

  95. yankeefeminista October 19th, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    Adams playing 3B again, 0-3.

  96. yankeefeminista October 19th, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    Odds, I think Alex said that a lot of fans were actually very supportive of him when he would run into them around the City. Plus he’s much tougher than people give him credit for. Still I am sure the booing stung because there was so much pressure and it was so protracted. Winning it in 2009, I was as happy for Alex as for the Core 4. I absorbed it all and stayed at the Stadium until late into the night. One of the best nights of my life.

  97. jacksquat October 19th, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    Complaining about booing in YS is like being a construction worker and complaining that the sun makes you sweat…

  98. Against All Odds October 19th, 2012 at 11:49 pm

    The championship will live on forever. Experiencing it in the stadium must have been great. I’ll never forget everyone running toward A-rod and him running toward everyone else…it was crazy.

  99. jacksquat October 19th, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    Alex was so concerned with the booing that he was scanning the seats for bikini models. I don’t think it was him that complained about the booing, he has to be used to it by now.

  100. yankeefeminista October 19th, 2012 at 11:59 pm

    Odds, it was crazy, and it will live on forever. Players running around the field, spraying the fans with champagne. No one wanted to leave. Just chaos, happiness, release. And Matsui was so deserving. :)

  101. jacksquat October 20th, 2012 at 12:09 am

    “I think there will certainly be interest,” said Diamondbacks manager Kirk Gibson to Arizona Sport 620′s Burns & Gambo when asked if the team has trade interest in Alex Rodriguez. The D’Backs are said to be seeking a third baseman, and GMs Kevin Towers and Brian Cashman worked together in the Yankees’ front office in 2010.

  102. yankeefeminista October 20th, 2012 at 12:14 am

    I’ll believe it when I see it.

    Happy Birthday to The Mick.

  103. Against All Odds October 20th, 2012 at 12:14 am

    yankeefeminista October 19th, 2012 at 11:59 pm

    Odds, it was crazy, and it will live on forever. Players running around the field, spraying the fans with champagne. No one wanted to leave. Just chaos, happiness, release. And Matsui was so deserving. :)

    —————–

    I think that WS will be more appreciated as time moves on. Right now it feels like an after for some fans “Besides 2009 blah blah blah, etc,”

  104. jacksquat October 20th, 2012 at 12:20 am

    Alex probably wouldn’t waive his no trade for AZ. Not enough bright lights. Probably only Miami or LA would be possible.

  105. Against All Odds October 20th, 2012 at 12:20 am

    Good night YF and everyone else. :D

  106. Marcus October 20th, 2012 at 12:23 am

    I would be surprised if anyone signed Melky.

  107. Captain Clutch October 20th, 2012 at 12:23 am

    The D’Backs are said to be seeking a third baseman, and GMs Kevin Towers and Brian Cashman worked together in the Yankees’ front office in 2010.
    —————-

    Arod+Hughes++ for Upton

    Get it done Cash!!!

  108. yankeefeminista October 20th, 2012 at 12:25 am

    Have a good night, Odds!

  109. Pat M. October 20th, 2012 at 12:35 am

    Yeah, let’s trade Hughes the clubs 2nd best starter who is certain to be back and is improving……….Then there’s the money that Arizona would want from NY, maybe 20 million per season……..Upton will be on the move but the price isn’t going to be Phil Hughes, Alex and around 100 million dollars……..Wow, let the insanity begin

  110. Kayster October 20th, 2012 at 12:41 am

    unnamed sources r so full of crap, it could be the daily news just making it up for a big story

  111. NYY_Girl_Penny October 20th, 2012 at 12:42 am

    People here are just odd. Bring Melky back after getting caught PEDs ? Yeah, bring him and his supplier back, maybe Cano well get some good roids and be the next Arod contract after next year.

    What’s the matter with you people ?

  112. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 20th, 2012 at 12:44 am

    Don’t know if he’s still around but the one thing that struck me when reading through the posts was luis’s continuing to say he knew this was going to happen, that this was predictable (paraphrase.)

    Here’s my question to luis: since the Yankees had good numbers against Detroit this season, exactly what led you to know “this would happen”? Same pitching so it can’t be the weak line that one poster used about playing teams with mediocre pitching that won us the season. I’m curious to know what the factors were that caused you to intuit that the team that hit Detroit well, wouldn’t. That’s quite a leap.

  113. pat October 20th, 2012 at 12:47 am

    Good read from Mike Schmidt.

    http://www.foxnews.com/sports/.....as-cursed/

  114. jacksquat October 20th, 2012 at 12:51 am

    Someone will sign Melky, that is for sure.

  115. Pat M. October 20th, 2012 at 1:00 am

    Tricia…….Tough ending to a season that will be defined with great highs and of course the crash that was the ALCS…….Never the less the 2012 season is behind us and we move on…..Doreen e-mailed me today and besides the Yankee season ending thud, she has not heard a word about GB…….Very unsettling…..And in closing I wondered who would be the first to bring up Montero and how he would have impacted the past series…….Purfrock of couse……And by the way Tricia, you do make this a better place regardless of those who say otherwise

  116. theREALkevin October 20th, 2012 at 1:14 am

    Lol at melky hitting .300 with 20 HRs without PEDs, are u kidding me?

  117. J. Alfred Prufrock October 20th, 2012 at 1:21 am

    Marcus October 20th, 2012 at 12:23 am

    I would be surprised if anyone signed Melky.
    ///

    The Giants are already talking about bringing him back, and they won’t be the only ones to kick the tires. The league isn’t going to blacklist a .300 switch-hitting 28 year old OF with a canon arm and gap power.

  118. Bo knows October 20th, 2012 at 1:24 am

    Pat

    I’m feeling more dinosaur by the moment. Before the post season I was leary but Cano and Swisher went on a tear and I started to hope. Two lefties for the Detroit series. Came the Baltimore fourth game and the writing was on the wall. Definitely did not see Cano crashing and Swisher reverting. As Schmidt says “Alex’s rope six inches over”, different series.

    Now, not much to talk about. Sure do miss GB, marvels of the internet. Miss a lot of the people that made this place. The off beat humor, the quirky posts. The Ericas and Doreens and others too numerous to mention. I’m not up on the Muppets or the starting lineups as in days of yore.

    There’s still Yankee Fem and Shame but the numbers have dwindled and I’m bereft.

    Damn

  119. J. Alfred Prufrock October 20th, 2012 at 1:24 am

    Pat M,

    You are one weird dude.

    What made you think I was under some oath not to mention Montero?

    Yeah, why in the world would any Yankee fan speculate about how the team’s best hitting prospect might have impacted a lineup full of old guys who swing from their heels and which was humiliated out of the postseason?

    What in the world was I thinking?

  120. getting younger October 20th, 2012 at 1:37 am

    Me and My freinds put a one year rebuild effort for the Yankees togther.
    Tell me what you think on some of the moves we have come up with:

    1st Let Swisher and Granderson Go.
    2nd Resign Ichrio who showed he can still play stick him in right and Gardner in Left while signing a speedy Micheal Bourn for Center. It gives you a Much younger outfield in two of the three spots and ichoro clealry showed he was clucth and could handle the speed.
    3rd Rid yourself of Arod wherever that may be to the marlins or arizona eat a ton of money just get rid of him, Trade with San deigo for Chase Headly a Younger Powerful Gap Clutch Hitter and Make him your Third Baseman
    4th Let Sorinao Go Resign Both Mo Rivera and Raul Ibanzez to Mash Righties, and Run a Platoon at DH with Inbanez and Nunez with Nunez also able to play in field. He showed us he could play in Post season.
    5th He had a bad post season but hes a great player Sign Cano to an extension
    6th Demand that CC lose weight and keep if off so he doesnt have so much fat weighing on his elbow. Get Pineda and Pettite to Return Slide Hughes and Nova into the 4 and 5 Spots and Give Phelps a Full season in Long Relief
    7th You dont need a Hitter at the catcher Position – Let martin walk you dont need to pay a catcher 7 million to hit .200 Bring in a devensive minded catcher with pop for 1 million someone like Ramon Hernandez or Olvio
    8th Finally Bring Roberston back through arb, call up Mark Mongomery get a few bargins on the 1 year deal for middle relief

    That is my plan to fix this team
    Keep some power hitters but infuse it with youth and speed.
    You thoughts

  121. J. Alfred Prufrock October 20th, 2012 at 1:47 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 20th, 2012 at 12:44 am

    Don’t know if he’s still around but the one thing that struck me when reading through the posts was luis’s continuing to say he knew this was going to happen, that this was predictable
    ////

    Trisha, I can’t answer for luis, but I thought you might be interested in this article, which I think originally was posted here by Yankee Trader.

    This recent article was published while we were still alive in the ALCS, and underscores what Luis, and many, many other commenters here have been talking about regarding the vulnerabilities of the 2012 lineup (and generally a trend in the last couple of years).

    Since you keep asking, loosely, the same question (usually of luis), this may shed some light on what isn’t really a product of ‘intuition,’ but a consensus view, from watching ABs, of why this lineup this lineup’s lack of success in the postseason was wholly predictable. This is nothing new or obscure in conclusion. Even Francona, just speaking in stride during an in-season broadcast, very diplomatically asserted that the Yankee lineup was not a convincing one for a long postseason run.

    Maybe this article can help crystallize for you why this consensus exists:

    “Adjustments. Adjustments. Adjustments.” As in this Joe Girardi quote, verbatim from the Game 2 press conference, “We have to make adjustments. You have to make adjustments. We know what they are doing to us. You have to make adjustments.”

    But a couple of American League scouts, who requested anonymity so they could speak candidly about what they’ve witnessed from the Yankee hitters during the regular season and the postseason, seemed skeptical that Girardi’s team is capable of such a thing.

    “Making adjustments isn’t really something this Yankee lineup does,” said Scout A, who followed the Yankees throughout the final three weeks of the season. “Even the last nine or 10 games of the season when they were hitting the ball well, what I saw was a team that was beating up bad pitching from Minnesota, Toronto and Boston. There wasn’t much to adjust to against their Triple-A pitching. They basically destroyed fastballs.”

    Said Scout B, who followed the Yankees down the stretch in anticipation that his team might meet them in the playoffs, “Joe’s right about one thing. I don’t see anything that remotely looks like an adjustment from this team. Don’t see anyone trying to go the other way or trying to stay back or keep the ball out of the air. They’re just up there hacking.”

    What exactly does it mean for a hitter to make an “adjustment”? Girardi explained after Game 2 that the Tigers seem to have picked up on what Baltimore did in the ALDS.

    “When one team attacks you and they have success,” Girardi said after Game 2, “(the next team) is going to watch what they do. And are probably going to attack a lot in the same ways. And we have to understand what teams are trying to do to you. Then, you take what they are doing to you, and you make adjustments.”

    Said catcher Russell Martin, “We need to understand how they’re pitching us. If you have an understanding of what they’re trying to do to you, maybe we’ll chase a little bit less. They’re using our aggressiveness against us right now, as a group.”

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....tment.html

    Have a good night.

  122. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 20th, 2012 at 1:57 am

    Pat M – thank you! Definitely a tough ending and there are lots of puzzled people right now, including the Yankee organization and many of the pundits. Nobody expected the Yankee bats to go cold in the postseason. I think the ongoing mantra was “no hits with RISP” because the big complaint was that the Yanks could only hit homers. I don’t remember anyone saying the team wouldn’t hit at all. That was totally unpredictable.

    And to me it’s pretty much an exaggeration for anyone to say they knew the Yankees wouldn’t hit the Tigers at all. The Yankees won the season series, in addition to hitting the Tigers well. In fact, they beat Verlander twice, once at the Stadium and once at Comerica, and also beat Fister, Sanchez, and Scherzer.

    So I need to know how this was predicted luis. Because it’s beats the heck out of me.

    ************

    I’m still trying to figure out Robby.

    The bats all went cold at once. It happened during the season that way too. Detroit got hot the last two weeks of the season and never looked back.

    Dreadful performance on the part of the Yankees, no question. Predictable? Maybe if you’re the real nostradamus.

  123. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 20th, 2012 at 2:03 am

    J Al – I never heard anyone talk about making adjustments. It was always the “all or nothing” approach. Also, I’m waiting for your or anyone else to attempt to answer what I’ve basically asked in the above question.

    The above article is hardly enough. I’m being specific. Who here said that the Yankees wouldn’t hit Detroit in the postseason, and on what authority. The Yankees won the season series and beat every one of the pitchers who beat us in the ALCS, beating Verlander twice.

    I’m not buying that any part of the forum had great insight that nobody else was paying attention to. I can see why it was tough with Baltimore. We were tied, I believe, in the season series, with a very small run differential.

    It wasn’t the case with the Yankees and the Tigers.

    The Tigers got hot at the right time and the Yankee bats went cold.

  124. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 20th, 2012 at 2:09 am

    At some point Leo Mazzone basically became extinct. I’m wondering if the same is the case with Rudy Jaramillo.

  125. J. Alfred Prufrock October 20th, 2012 at 2:15 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 20th, 2012 at 2:03 am

    J Al – I never heard anyone talk about making adjustments. It was always the “all or nothing” approach.
    ///

    Trisha, do you read the blog?

    If you do, you’ve seen luis, me, Blake, YF, Bo Knows, austinmac, GLove – to name a few – harp on going opposite, shortening up with a 2-strike count, laying off offspeed pitches off the plate.. this is exhorting the hitters to make adjustments.

    “All or nothing” is the antithesis of making adjustments. Do you see the connection? Did you read the article??

    Here’s Girardi to explain to you how Detroit may have gone about deciding to pitch to the Yankee lineup:

    “What exactly does it mean for a hitter to make an “adjustment”? Girardi explained after Game 2 that the Tigers seem to have picked up on what Baltimore did in the ALDS.

    “When one team attacks you and they have success,” Girardi said after Game 2, “(the next team) is going to watch what they do. And are probably going to attack a lot in the same ways. And we have to understand what teams are trying to do to you. Then, you take what they are doing to you, and you make adjustments.”

    You should click on the link and actually read the article through.

  126. J. Alfred Prufrock October 20th, 2012 at 2:30 am

    Dreadful performance on the part of the Yankees, no question. Predictable? Maybe if you’re the real nostradamus.
    //

    It’s really not about intuition, or being Nostradamus, or anything so melodramatic or grandiose. It’s merely about observing trends over a large sample and basing skepticism or optimism on what information those trends tell you.

    Just like advanced scouting tells one team about another’s tendencies, weaknesses and strengths. If there was nothing to be gleaned by repetitive observation, no one would bother with advanced scouting. Fans aren’t advanced scouts, but they watch their team over 162 games and if you’ve watched baseball long enough, tendencies and habits begin to assert a trend or pattern. No one needs a crystal ball for that. The Yankees’ hitting issues were troubling and they were not unpredictable, although I doubt anyone thought they would be so utterly abject; unfortunate, because they really pitched.

  127. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 20th, 2012 at 2:31 am

    It’s late and I’m tired because I didn’t have the greatest night sleeping last night, so I will read through that article tomorrow.

    I still don’t get how anyone could predict failure against a team we beat in the regular season, and against whose pitchers we were successful. I didn’t see anyone say “Even though we beat Detroit in the regular season and beat Verlander twice, they’ll get us in the postseason.” Now if that’s too simple an analysis and the answer lies in that article, it will become apparent tomorrow.

    What I remember throughout the season was a number of you (can’t say who in particular; I addressed this to luis originally only because it all of the posts I read from yesterday and today, he’s the one who’s talked about “I said this was going to happen” (paraphrase) saying that the Yankees weren’t going to be able to get the job done by hitting only homers.

    Anyway, I will read that article tomorrow.

    :)

  128. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 20th, 2012 at 2:33 am

    “The Yankees’ hitting issues were troubling and they were not unpredictable, although I doubt anyone thought they would be so utterly abject; unfortunate, because they really pitched.”

    Again — and lastly for now — I say again. They beat Detroit in the season series and beat all of the pitchers who beat us, Verlander twice. How could anybody say they wouldn’t be able to beat Detroit based on that?

    Anyway, I’ll check that article in the morning.

  129. J. Alfred Prufrock October 20th, 2012 at 2:44 am

    Primarily because they’re pitching to us differently than they did in the regular season. They put together a plan based on our “trends” and “patterns” as hitters, and pitchers bear down in the postseason, you have to know that.

    Read on (tomorrow or whenever):

    And what have the Tigers and Orioles pitchers done to make the Yankees look so bad?

    “A lot of reverse-count pitching,” explained Scout B. “Throwing off-speed in fastball counts. They’ve faced guys who can go soft even when behind in the count. It takes a real commitment mentally to make that adjustment, especially for power guys, who get ticked off when they guess wrong and let a good fastball slip by them.”

    OK, have a good night….read through it, there’s more in there.

  130. m October 20th, 2012 at 3:07 am

    Ugh. What a series to forget.

    Alex was bad, but not alone. Did not deserve the bulk of the blame.

    I like Girardi, but felt there was too much playing with the roster. Bench Alex once, but this wasn’t the time to abandon Granderson and Swisher. No, it wasn’t the time for them to suck @$$ either, but everyone was.

    I hope Ichiro and Ibanez are back. Let Swisher go, and eventually Granderson, too.

    Do you eat up to 2/3 of Arod’s contract to make it go away? Something to at least consider. I would take 3-5 non-PED Melky types in exchange for Alex. Just wish his peak had lasted a little longer.

    Finally, Jeter. I didn’t read up on it. But whet the hell did you do to your ankle? Nunez is safe in pinstripes for now.

    Cash needs to get Nolan Ryan drunk and do a sign and trade for Hamilton in exchange for Alex. :)

    Pitching was fine until Game 4.

  131. Jerkface October 20th, 2012 at 3:25 am

    Here is my initial plan for the beginning of the offseason:

    - pickup Cano’s option
    - pickup Granderson’s option
    - If Soriano opts out , offer him qualifying offer to get a draft pick
    - Offer qualifying offer to Swisher
    - Offer qualifying offer to Kuroda (I assume they will make him a free agent out of veteran respect, they have team control of him due to service time)
    - Weigh choices carefully on offering qualifying offer to Martin
    - See what is out there for: Cano, Granderson, Hughes, Nova in trades
    - Bring back Andy
    - Send dump trucks of money to Mo’s house
    - Figure out if they can send David Phelps somewhere in the carrib to start and build his innings for next year
    - Talk to Ibanez about coming back as a role player next year (last spot on the bench, pinch hitter/DH work only)

  132. m October 20th, 2012 at 3:39 am

    Good call on Kuroda, JF. Don’t know how I could forget about him. Co-ace of the team this year.

    You can never have too much pitching. Andy and Kuroda back. Hughes continue to develop into a solid starter who can give innings now. Hope to see a healthy Pineda. Nova, Pineda, and Phelps rounding out the depth chart? Nice. Joba back to form. Robertson training to be the closer. Mo comes back on a decent deal because he feels bad. Okay, just use your imagination on the last part.

  133. RadioKev October 20th, 2012 at 6:50 am

    I’m not surprised that booing in GAME 1 of the ALCS spooked some guys. That’s pretty atypical of any sports franchise.

    As far as Granderson goes, I think he really is in his own head with these strike outs. I think his focus on cutting them down has really negatively affected his approach at the plate. Too much thinking and anticipating, not enough pitch recognition.

    Sign me up for that plan, Jerkface. Although I don’t really care if Ibanez is back or not. This might be a one-trick pony type of season.

  134. Jerkface October 20th, 2012 at 6:51 am

    Although I don’t really care if Ibanez is back or not. This might be a one-trick pony type of season.

    Agreed, he also wasn’t that good? ~.300 OBP & some HRs and a .200 AVG. Thats why I’d only bring him back with the understanding that he would be a veteran bench guy. Provide clubhouse intangibles, pinch hit, and DH @ home. I would NOT bring him back to resume the platoon DH role.

  135. RadioKev October 20th, 2012 at 6:53 am

    And Good morning, Saturday morning people.

    What the heck do we talk about now?

    I’ll start. Going to work this morning, I locked myself out of my apartment (without my car keys). Called my roommates, rang my doorbell, nothing. Had to wake up the neighbors in the apartment next door at 5:30AM. They weren’t thrilled. Went downstairs into the basement to see if the back door was unlocked. Nope, locked. Grab a ladder, went around to the front porch, and climbed up to our second story living and climbed in through the window.

    Lots of action for me this morning :)

  136. RadioKev October 20th, 2012 at 6:55 am

    Jerkface,

    Yeah. I agree. He also saw way too much of that “platoon” with Gardner going down and all. Maybe with a more limited role he can be more consistent.

    You’re in Japan?

  137. Jerkface October 20th, 2012 at 7:09 am

    No, back in the states. Just a vacation.

    Wanna hear something sick? The Chunichi Dragons best player this year is their centefielder named Oshima who is actually from the area. Think of him like their derek jeter or something, this year is his first year starting (incidentally my friend grew up with him!). They made the playoffs this year and won their ALDS 2 to 1 (its 3 game series). In the series Oshima, who was 4th in AVG in the league this year, hit .692. He is hitting .500 for the playoffs as a whole, and the Dragons are about to sweep the Giants (Yankees of Japan) out of their ALCS equivalent (7 game series).

  138. RadioKev October 20th, 2012 at 7:12 am

    Wow. .692 ain’t half bad. It’s over half good, in fact. Hometown heroes are tricky to come by in the New York area, sadly.

  139. Yankee Trader October 20th, 2012 at 7:35 am

    JF-

    Any more news on high school pitcher Shohei Otani? The draft in Japan is 10/25. Any updates since this article:

    http://www.npbtracker.com/2012.....hei-otani/

  140. Duh Innings II October 20th, 2012 at 7:37 am

    The Chicago White Sox will buy out Jake Peavy for $4M to avoid paying him $22M.

    I say offer him $19M (the money they clear letting go of Kuroda, Garcia, and Feliciano) so he makes $23M total, $1M more than he’d make if the Chi-Sox picked up his club option, for 2013.

    If the Yanks re-signed Pettitte, the 2013 Yanks rotation would be Sabathia / Peavy / Pettitte / Hughes / Nova, Phelps, Warren, or Pineda.

    ‘Know what would be nice? If Mo took a one year $5M contract, a $10M paycut, and put that $10M towards offering Kuroda a one year $15M contract ($4M raise) for a World Series-contending rotation of Sabathia / Peavy / Kuroda / Pettitte / Hughes (Nova, Phelps, Warren, and Pineda make up 4/5ths of the 2013 AAA Yankees rotation and are more than enough rotation insurance.)

  141. Jerkface October 20th, 2012 at 7:39 am

    Nothing, whatever NPB Tracker has will probably be as accurate & up to date as is available. Haven’t seen anything from any of the NPB twitters recently either. I think everyone is just waiting for his decision.

  142. Jerkface October 20th, 2012 at 7:42 am

    Interesting factoid I learned while in Japan, Greg Maddux adjusted Darvish’s set position around the all-star break and coincidentally by his last 9 starts he had stopped walking guys. They had interviews with Maddux/Darvish & video comparison between his first half & second half. Was neat.

  143. Jerkface October 20th, 2012 at 7:43 am

    More Otani stuff will come out if he decides to go to the majors, but until then we’re at the limit for information regarding him. He is one of the best pitching prospects in baseball, the Rays compared him to Felix Hernandez. Now he just has to choose country or money.

  144. MTU October 20th, 2012 at 7:47 am

    Good morning-

    Honestly, I’m surprised if the Yankees are not even gonna make a play
    to retain Swisher other than a qualifying offer.

    Guess they think he’s gonna be too expensive.

    Who’s his replacement ?

    Ichiro ?

    That should provide some BA but it’s also a big loss of power and OBP.

    That kind of production does not grow on trees. Nor does the versatility.

    And yes, I know Swisher sucks in the PS.

    Actually I’d be more inclined to keep Swisher and Move Grandy.

    Shows ya’ what I know.

    Looks like the Yanks may be willing to spend this OS but only on 1 yr. deals.

  145. Jerkface October 20th, 2012 at 7:50 am

    MTU,

    Swisher gets a bum rap, I’d keep him too, but the reality is he will likely cost too much. Thats why I’d just make the qualifying offer. If Swisher didn’t like what he was seeing on the market and was willing to come back for 2+1 years or 3 years at ~12 or less AAV I’d probably do it.

    The unfortunate reality between Swisher & Granderson is that Swisher is a free agent & Granderson is team controlled. They could always deal granderson, sign swisher&Ichiro, and run out a Ichiro-Gardner-Swisher outfield. I think Ichiro could hit 10-15 HRs if he played the entire year in NYS.

    I’m betting on them retaining Ichiro. It seems too good of a match.

  146. RadioKev October 20th, 2012 at 7:51 am

    Jerkface,

    Kind of a silly question, I don’t know how much you know about Japan…but how do you think they perceive their pitcher’s struggling in the US?

  147. blake October 20th, 2012 at 7:52 am

    - pickup Cano’s option
    - pickup Granderson’s option
    - If Soriano opts out , offer him qualifying offer to get a draft pick
    “- Offer qualifying offer to Swisher
    - Offer qualifying offer to Kuroda (I assume they will make him a free agent out of veteran respect, they have team control of him due to service time)
    - Weigh choices carefully on offering qualifying offer to Martin
    - See what is out there for: Cano, Granderson, Hughes, Nova in trades
    - Bring back Andy
    - Send dump trucks of money to Mo’s house
    - Figure out if they can send David Phelps somewhere in the carrib to start and build his innings for next year
    - Talk to Ibanez about coming back as a role player next year (last spot on the bench, pinch hitter/DH work only)”

    I essentially agree with all of this

  148. MTU October 20th, 2012 at 7:53 am

    JF-

    That’s about how I see it.

    Why do you spend so much time in Japan ?

    Just curious. Is it buisness ? pleasure ?

    Are you Japanese ?

    You seem to have a strong identification with the place.

  149. blake October 20th, 2012 at 7:54 am

    If want Swisher back for qualifying money just for what he does in the regular season….. Probl is it’ll take a lonmorethan that in years…..the 13ish million per year is about right….he will just want 4 or 5 of them

  150. MTU October 20th, 2012 at 7:54 am

    Good Morning Blake.

    Hot Stove is officially under way.

    At least here on LoHud.

  151. RadioKev October 20th, 2012 at 7:55 am

    In a vacuum I’d hold on to Swisher over Granderson too. Swisher’s a really consistent player. I’ve said this a bunch, but he had a better WAR than Cespedes this season. Just a bit of context. (I know it’s not a perfect comparison)

    If Swisher really is chasing Werth money, he’s pricing himself out of a lot of good ball teams.

    It would be nice if we could make a deal for Headley happen. He could cover some OF and 3B. Of course, that’s a real stretch.

  152. Yankee Trader October 20th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    JF

    Concerning Russell Martin and making him a qualifying 13.5M offer. I realize the free agent market list of frontline catchers is sketchy, but would the team really want to pay him that and figure he’s costing you an extra 42.5%[LT over 178M]

    Is there a frontline catcher worth trading for? Royals need starting pitching and have Catcher Salvador Perez, a 22 yo who had a BA .301, good splits, power and threw out almost 50% base runners. I know nothing else about him.

    Russel Martin at 13.5M after a .211 BA, .311 OB% would not be a good investment for me.

  153. MTU October 20th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    My hunch about the the Yankees right now is they are willing to open the wallet but only on 1yr deals.

    That is going to severely limit the possibilities.

    IMO thy should actively seek and be very, very open to trades as I see that as the current way forward in this money-restricted environment.

    They need to trade from their areas of strength to improve their areas of weakness.

    It would be good if they can get out from under A-Rod’s contract.

    That would open up a range of possibilities.

    Doubt it happens though.

  154. RhapsodyInBlue October 20th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    For one thing I’d like to see little more speed getting to balls in RF and a better arm into the cutoff man.

    I doubt there would be much change in Swisher’s production in the post season next year, time to find an alternative.

  155. RadioKev October 20th, 2012 at 8:02 am

    RhapsodyInBlue,

    Swisher has fine speed and a fine arm. A guy with better speed, a better arm, and Swisher’s plate production is pretty much an elite player. Not an easy upgrade.

  156. MTU October 20th, 2012 at 8:02 am

    YT-

    AJ P. or Ruiz but I doubt they’d take 1 yr deals.

    Yankees need to look for 1 yr salary dumps, expring and pillow contracts.

    They have both eyes focused on 2014.

    That will drive everything they do.

    Only other options are our own Farm or trades for cost-controlled young players.

  157. blake October 20th, 2012 at 8:04 am

    If this Japanese dude decides to com tonamerca and te Yanks don’t sign him then that would suck

  158. blake October 20th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    Morning MTU….hope you’re well this fine October morning…..are you Oktoberfesring anywhere today?

  159. MTU October 20th, 2012 at 8:07 am

    I gotta say I hate this 189 BS.

    It has taken away the Yankees financial edge in a market which prints money.

    Learning to live within a budget and developing a Farm on the fly are not easy to do.

    It has been outside the boundary of the Yankees DNA.

    Of course I’m sure Hal enjoys the extra profits.

    But what about the fans ?

    ;)

  160. blake October 20th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    I would make Martin the qualifying offer…..I know it’s a big over pay for next year but I highly doubt they can get anybody better without committing to multiple years…..

  161. MTU October 20th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    Blake-

    I’m heading to Sedona, AZ. Sunday to hike in the Canyons amongst the Fall colors and take photographs.

    No Oktoberfest per se but my cohorts and I certainly will imbibe
    our share.

    I’ll think of it as my PS decompress.

    Be gone 4-5 days. Unlikely to have much Internet time.

    You hold the Fort till I return.

    :)

  162. Yankee Trader October 20th, 2012 at 8:11 am

    Good morning all.

    Kev-watch whose window you go crawling thru at 5:30 in the morning! :)

    The team opening day payroll was almost 210M per Cots. How do you make the team better and still try and cut the payroll? If that figure is close to the above now, since the LT of 42.5% is calculated on the 40 man roster at the end of this season then the Yankees are paying 210M minus 178M[threshold] times 42.5% or an extra 13.6M dollars.

    Blake and MTU-

    Try and improve the team, but try and shave off 21M and get close to the 2014 threshold of 189M.

    Can we do that?

  163. blake October 20th, 2012 at 8:12 am

    MTU,
    Must be nice to have life made….have fun man

  164. blake October 20th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Try and improve the team, but try and shave off 21M and get close to the 2014 threshold of 189M.

    Yes….will they…no clue

  165. MTU October 20th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    YT-

    They’re gonna do it.

    They are determined to limbo under 189.

    It’s the all-consuming passion amongst the Brass FWIS.

    In many ways I can’t say I blame them even though I do not like the restriction it imposes.

    It’s like putting a racecar on lousy gas.

    ;)

  166. MTU October 20th, 2012 at 8:16 am

    Thanks Blake.

    I’ll do my best.

    Wish you were there too !

    It would blow your mind.

    I might even let YT come along.

    :)

  167. RadioKev October 20th, 2012 at 8:17 am

    Try and improve the team, but try and shave off 21M and get close to the 2014 threshold of 189M.

    Can we do that?
    ————

    If there’s a will, there’s a way. The Moneyball team essentially did that and more.

    I mean, the Tigers and Cards were far from the best teams in their leagues. Yet here they are.

  168. Tar October 20th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    “There’s still Yankee Fem and Shame but the numbers have dwindled and I’m bereft.
    Damn”

    From last night… Nice post Bo.

    Blake big came in Durham tonight. The Dookies think they have a chance. :D

    Have a nice day everyone.

  169. blake October 20th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    “Blake big came in Durham tonight. The Dookies think they have a chance. ”

    Booo

  170. Yankee Trader October 20th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    OK I’ll give it a try for the 2013 season.

    ARod makes 1M lass but will get pass Mays for 6M-net gain 1M
    Jeter makes 1M more
    Cano makes 1M more
    Granderson makes 5M more
    Then theres a host of arb eligible players like Hughes, Joba, Logan, Robertson, Gardner.

    Now for the possible monies coming off the books to play with:
    Rivera 15M
    Soriano 14M
    Swisher 10.25M
    Garcia 4M
    Feliciano 4M
    Ichiro-don’t recall the Yankees share-5M?
    and a host of lesser 1M contracts like Ibanez, Chavez, McGehee, and some of the bullpen arms

    Then there are FA who made this and if you want them back expect a raise:
    Pettitte 2.5M
    Kuroda 10M
    Martin 7.5M

  171. MTU October 20th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    You too Tar.

    I count you as one the very fine Ladies of LoHud.

    And I’m glad your here.

    :)

  172. blake October 20th, 2012 at 8:28 am

    I feel a little better now that Barry Ziti has shut down the Cardinals in Joe Saumders fashion

  173. Yankee Trader October 20th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    MTU-

    Can I ride in a golf cart. My back has been a little “balky” lately. :)

  174. blake October 20th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    @JeffPassan: The hardest pitch Barry Zito threw Friday night was an 85.9-mph two-seam fastball. His average fastball velocity: 84.53 mph.

  175. MTU October 20th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    YT-

    I’m not giving Martin a raise. In fact I’d pay him less based on his performance.

    He’s an avg. C who doesn’t have a prayer of hitting for avg.

    He’s not what we want but we may have to settle for him for a while.

    One of Mo or So will be back.

  176. Yankee Trader October 20th, 2012 at 8:32 am

    ARod net gain 5M not 1M if he hits 14 homers this next season

  177. austinmac October 20th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    I read yesterday(somewhere)the Japanese pitcher will decide on USA or Japan on Monday. The article referenced three teams who have scouted him. No, of course, the Yankees were not among them. Please explain any reason to believe the Yankees will be in on this guy when they have repeatedly passed on other foreign signings.

    MTU, have a great trip. Sedona is an amazing colorful place.

  178. MTU October 20th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    YT-

    If you can get it in there fine.

    You’d deserve it.

    Hope the back feels better.

    :)

    Blake-

    He did his best Jamie Moyer imitation.

    To be honest I was kinda disappointed in the Cards last night.

    I expected them to pound Zito into the ground.

    There is a lot more to Pitching than just velocity.

    We both know that.

    ;)

  179. J. Alfred Prufrock October 20th, 2012 at 8:35 am

    LOL at Hank on ARod, defending his investment:

    “He was just one of quite a few that just had a bad time at the plate,” Steinbrenner said Friday during a telephone interview with The Associated Press. “So is it fair to accuse him of everything but the Kennedy assassination? No, it’s not fair, but we’ll see what happens from this point on.”

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....z29qGkeMlF

    :D

  180. MTU October 20th, 2012 at 8:36 am

    Thanks Mac.

    It will provide a host of opportunities.

    :)

  181. Yankee Trader October 20th, 2012 at 8:39 am

    Austinmac-

    Good morning the Japanese draft is 10/25. I attached a link on Shohei Otani at 7:35.

  182. J. Alfred Prufrock October 20th, 2012 at 8:39 am

    Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said he doesn’t yet know when ace CC Sabathia will have his left elbow examined. While there were no indications Sabathia was experiencing problems with his elbow down the stretch, Cashman wants to be sure there are no lingering issues going into the offseason.

    “I don’t know, obviously he wasn’t going to say anything to me after [Game 4],’’ Cashman said. “He’s one of a long list of guys we are going to have checked.’’
    …………….

    * Derek Jeter is slated to undergo surgery on his fractured left ankle today in Charlotte, N.C. He is expected to need four to five months to fully recover.

  183. MTU October 20th, 2012 at 8:39 am

    JAP-

    I’ll say this: Hank is a real card.

    Guess he escaped the shackles in the basement.

    :)

  184. J. Alfred Prufrock October 20th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....1zKlmgUZiN

  185. Against All Odds October 20th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    Unleash the Hank

  186. MTU October 20th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    I think the Jeter timetable is a tad optimistic.

    I guess if anyone can meet it. It would be Derek.

  187. MTU October 20th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    Mo, Andy, and Derek.

    Ready to give it one more shot together.

    Last dance for the 3 Amigos.

  188. J. Alfred Prufrock October 20th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    MTU,

    He’s a riot.

    Agree on Martin, btw.

    Say a prayer for Jete today. & C.

    Time to catch some zzzzsss.

    Goodmorning, all.

  189. blake October 20th, 2012 at 8:44 am

    “Please explain any reason to believe the Yankees will be in on this guy when they have repeatedly passed on other foreign signings.”

    Sorry I cant

  190. MTU October 20th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    Time to walk the Mopheads.

    Later.

  191. blake October 20th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    “* Derek Jeter is slated to undergo surgery on his fractured left ankle today in Charlotte, N.C. He is expected to need four to five months to fully recover.”

    If they get Derek a Cajun filet biscuit in the recovery room it’ll only take 3 months

  192. RadioKev October 20th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    Just thought of this, the Mets got a top pitching prospect from the Giants for a half season of an older Carlos Beltran, and he’s had some injuries in his career.

    What could the Yankees get for a full season of Cano?

  193. austinmac October 20th, 2012 at 8:50 am

    Boras says he expects Soriano to opt out. Losing him and Swisher will, despite protestations to the contrary, leaves the team far weaker. Will they spend that $24 million elsewhere or bank most of it. I expect Ichiro will come back at $5-8 million. Personally, while he played well, he is yet another told player, and I would look elsewhere.

  194. MTU October 20th, 2012 at 8:50 am

    Blake-

    If beyonce or Halle berry were there at his bedside it would be even better.

    ;)

  195. blake October 20th, 2012 at 8:51 am

    Let me just say that if this Japanese kid decides to come to the states and he really can throw 100 mph……and they miss the opportunity to develop him as an American pitcher at 18 then it could really come back to haunt them…..just think what impact losing Felix years ago has had…….not saying he will be Felix ….but what if he just turned into something like Darvish and they could have him for the league minimum? I don’t know a thing about him …..but if he can throw 100 as a teenager there isn’t much more to know really

  196. Yankee Trader October 20th, 2012 at 8:52 am

    JAP-

    I see you posted this article that I had linked after game 2 against the Tigers:

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....tment.html

    None of us were “Nostradamus”

    Most of us expressed concerns throughout the season concerning the offense.

    We talked about Tex, who spent the offseason in the batting cage working on going the other way, only to give it up and refuse to do it.

    We talked about the shift, with the Rays and Orioles the main users of it and how that affected many of the Yankee hitters.

    We talked about the Earl Weaver 3 run homer, and how the Yankees lacked the ability to score in the 8th or 9th inning when down by a run or two, trying for the homerun against the other teams best bullpen arms.

    It was no surprise to many of us that despite the 95 wins and best AL record, despite the injuries, that the playoffs were going to be the arena where the Yankees could possibly be exposed.

    Thoughts?

  197. blake October 20th, 2012 at 8:53 am

    “What could the Yankees get for a full season of Cano?”

    Probably a lot in prospects…..but not that much in big league ready talent which is the rub……teams that would want him for a year would b contenders …. And contenders aren’t gonna trade their good big league players for a year of cano…..

  198. Jerkface October 20th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    Please explain any reason to believe the Yankees will be in on this guy when they have repeatedly passed on other foreign signings.

    The Yankees have had interest in him. They scouted him I believe, but did not send a representative to meet with him. So luke warm at best? The reason why he is acquirable is that signing him falls under the IFA restrictions which means most teams are going to be trying to sit under their budget. And in fact I think if he signs this season it will count against this years cap.

    The Yankees have room under the IFA umbrella I think, and they could always go over which is an advantage of their money spending & system (because one of the restrictions is a limited ability to offer large contracts the following year, but they rarely do anyways)

    If Otani comes to the US he will likely not sign with the Yankees, but a man can dream?

  199. Jerkface October 20th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    Boras says he expects Soriano to opt out. Losing him and Swisher will, despite protestations to the contrary, leaves the team far weaker. Will they spend that $24 million elsewhere or bank most of it. I expect Ichiro will come back at $5-8 million. Personally, while he played well, he is yet another told player, and I would look elsewhere.

    Hey if he opts out we’ll get a pick! :) Look on the bright side. If they retain Mo, Soriano will not be a loss. They have a lot of guys right now who could slide into the pen and replicate Soriano’s setup season. We already have Montgomery to look forward to next season, and Warren or Phelps could find their way into the pen.

  200. Jerkface October 20th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    MTU,

    I am not Japanese, but I am friends with a lot of Japanese people. I stay with friends when I vacation there & try to catch some ball games / enjoy the food. I think the NPB is a very interesting league, and I am excited for them to move forward & try to make it more competitive with the majors. It is a different game almost if you watch it, but then its still the same. Lastings Milledge & Wladimir Balantien were both playing in the playoff game I attended.

    RadioKev,

    I haven’t talked to anyone japanese who has an opinion on it really. My friends who like baseball in Japan mostly just focus on the NPB. I’d like to talk to some hardcore fans but my japanese isn’t good enough to really get an indepth convo going.

  201. blake October 20th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    “If Otani comes to the US he will likely not sign with the Yankees, but a man can dream?”

    Is this a guy they should say screw the budget for? To get players that’ll be cheap on the taxable big league payroll they’ll have to go over on the draft an international budgets an just live with that……

    The Yankees don’t seem very willing to take risks anymore…..

  202. Yankee Trader October 20th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    I’d be happy if Soriano opts out. I know he put up great numbers, and was one of the key reasons the Yankees made the playoffs but, for me, he’s the kind of reliever that gives you heartburn before he records the final out. :)

  203. Yankee Trader October 20th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    New Post—————->

  204. Jerkface October 20th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    The bullpen next year will be the least of the Yankees worries. It will remain a strength.

  205. jacksquat October 20th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    Jerkface October 20th, 2012 at 6:51 am
    Although I don’t really care if Ibanez is back or not. This might be a one-trick pony type of season.

    Agreed, he also wasn’t that good? ~.300 OBP & some HRs and a .200 AVG. Thats why I’d only bring him back with the understanding that he would be a veteran bench guy. Provide clubhouse intangibles, pinch hit, and DH @ home. I would NOT bring him back to resume the platoon DH role.

    They don’t have room on the bench for someone with such a limited role. If they do a platoon DH then that is essentially 1 of 4 spots taken (lineup + 4). You need minimum 3 spots for C, OF, IF, and you probably need 2 guys to cover the IF. So if Ibanez is here it would have to be to cover LH DH. Despite his postseason heroics, I kind of don’t want him. His regular season wasn’t that good and I don’t want any chance of him playing extended time in the OF again.

  206. RhapsodyInBlue October 20th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    radiokev

    Swisher has adequate speed?

    And compared to who?

    We saw his speed and his defense in this post season.

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