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All about Alex

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 24, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I’m about to head home from a predictably uneventful Joe Girardi press conference. I’ll have more notes and nuggets when I get back to my apartment and sort through everything, but there was nothing particularly revealing that came from this morning’s half-hour session.

As you might expect, a significant amount of time was devoted to questions about Alex Rodriguez.

Will Girardi have to repair his relationship with Rodriguez?
“Well, one of the things that I was taught as a boy and a young man is that there’s a consequence for every action that takes place. Some of them are going to be good. Some of them you’re going to have to deal with. I’m always worried about whatever move I make, how it affects the club, how it affects a player, anything. I think it’s something that, sure, I possibly might have to deal with more than I expected, but I possibly might may not have to deal with it at all. As we move forward, I’ll get a temperature on it, keep track of it and see how it’s going.”

Was Rodriguez fully healthy after he came back from the broken hand?
“I believe he was healthy, but if you look I believe, he had some struggles in the course of the season as well, if you look at his numbers over the whole season against right-handers. As players, sometimes you do have to make minor adjustments and you have to say, ‘OK, let’s evaluate why maybe I wasn’t as successful against right handers.’ And next year it could be completely opposite. And then you look at that as well. As far as health, I think he was healthy.”

Can Rodriguez be a prodictive hitter next year?
“Players have an opportunity, and when you’ve been a great player usually a pretty smart player, sometimes you do have to make a tweak here or a tweak there, or maybe you got away from what you were doing accidentally, and you say, ok this is the reason this was happening or that was happening. So, can Alex be a very good player again? Absolutely. I don’t have any question in my mind, because I think the desire is there. As far as being a heads up player, I think that’s there. As far as being a 45, 50 home run guy, we don’t see much of that in baseball at all. How many guys hit 40-plus home runs this year? Four, maybe five? So I don’t anticipate that’s going to happen, but I think he can be a very good player.”

What does Rodriguez have to prove to the Yankees everyday third baseman next year?
“I expect Alex to be our everyday third baseman. What’s he going to have to show me? That he’s healthy and ready to go, that’s the bottom line, that he has no concerns and we have no concerns about putting him out there every day.”

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117 Responses to “All about Alex”

  1. Warning Track Power October 24th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    Donny
    Let’s say for a minute the Yankees won the 2012 WS.
    Does ARod’s declining performance hurt a little less knowing the team won another WS title, or does that not factor at all in the equation?

    IMO, the fact the Yankees were swept and eliminated from the playoffs is a HUGE factor in determining that ARod “has to go”, “is not worth the $$”, etc…

  2. blake October 24th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Blah blah blah blah

  3. Irreverent Discourse October 24th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    As you might expect, a significant amount of time was devoted to questions about Alex Rodriguez.

    What did you ask about, Chad?

  4. Ys Guy October 24th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    arod had a grace period this whole season. he wasnt booed much at all despite his terrible #’s because the team lead from early in in the season and because he was injured while they fumbled away their 10 game lead and also because of his awesome 2009 PS.

    had the yankees done well in the PS and had arod had just a decent PS, people would have been okay with it and he would have gotten away with a crappy season with pretty much no repercussions.

    instead, the deal held up until the PS where the team collapsed while arod himself had a historically bad performance.

    throw in the glare brought on by the australian bikini girls incident and the whole thing exploded.

    he had every chance to come out of this terrible season smelling like a rose with just one or two well-placed hits this PS but couldnt muster any.

    now all the king’s horses and all the king’s men can’t put arod and the yankees fans back together.

    time to move on.

  5. blake October 24th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    I thought Trumps big news was going to be an announcement of JFs steroids list…..guess not

  6. Irreverent Discourse October 24th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    Ys Guy – He “wasn’t booed” because he was hitting before he got hurt.

    It’s time to move on from blaming him for all of the problems this team had this year.

  7. Shame Spencer October 24th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    Irreverent Discourse October 24th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Trade them all eh? :) Wouldn’t it be simpler to just watch some other team play?

    ———————-

    Lol, nah I’m only trading like half the AA guys, and I don’t watch them play anyway…. although Fem is going to be pretty mad at me.

    And I know what you’re saying about the line up but my whole issue with them all season is a lack of variety. I love HRs. I hoped they’d hit so many they’d steamroll every pitcher in the game. But I was hoping we’d have more guys making adjustments in cases when we couldn’t mash… we don’t have a lot of speed in the line up to manufacture runs, we don’t have a lot of guys that hit for contact, we have a good number of guys that strike out a ton…. I just feel like we could have been structured better to give ourselves a stronger chance to win.

  8. Patrick October 24th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    Why should Girardi have to “repair” his relationship with A-rod? He benched a player that wasn’t performing, isn’t that his job?

  9. DONNYBROOK October 24th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    I like the Girardi’s cryptic, “I possibly might Not have to deal with” in reference to A-Rod. The skids have been greased regarding the 86ing of A-Rod. It’s gonna come down to just how much\$$$ Hal will eat.
    Short of A-Rod performing like he did in the “09″ Playoffs, a Championship woulda made NO difference to me. The guy is Now poisoning the entire well, and that includes the fan base.

  10. Tyler October 24th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    This is going to be the same team next year except for Swish. Maybe Ichiro will be gone too…. It’s too obvious that they are going to attribute those struggles to a small sample size.

  11. jacksquat October 24th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    There is no point in trading Arod unless the money the Yankees save (paid by the other team) can pay for more performance than Arod will probably give you over the next 5 years (obviously that would have to be a guesstimate).

  12. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 24th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    “And ID and Patrick are correct, IMO – as is Axisa.”

    I third that. In fact I had started to write a post saying I believe ID had hit it out of the park and I got a phone call. So I read on, and decided to add it as part of this.

  13. Shame Spencer October 24th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    jacksquat October 24th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    There is no point in trading Arod

    ——————–

    Which is why we need to trade for another 3B instead :twisted:

  14. blake October 24th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    There could be plenty of point in trading Arod if the marlins wish to prove once and for all that they are the dumbest franchise

  15. Warning Track Power October 24th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    DONNYBROOK October 24th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
    I like the Girardi’s cryptic, “I possibly might Not have to deal with” in reference to A-Rod. The skids have been greased regarding the 86ing of A-Rod. It’s gonna come down to just how much\$$$ Hal will eat.
    Short of A-Rod performing like he did in the “09? Playoffs, a Championship woulda made NO difference to me. The guy is Now poisoning the entire well, and that includes the fan base.
    ————————————————————————————————————-
    I don’t understand the criticism.
    Appears to me that nobody cared about ARod’s contract when he helped bring a WS title back to The Bronx in 2009.
    Suddenly fans are very critical of the same player and it’s very unfair.
    Blame the Yankees front office or the person in charge that agreed to the terms of the contract.
    If anybody here believed that contract was “fair” at the time of the signing is a complete fool.
    Of course a player like ARod is not going to be able to give fair value back during the life
    of that contract. Impossible.
    Not even Jeter could accomplish that.
    Playing for the Yankees costs money. This organization has to overpay for players and that’s just how the ball bounces.

  16. Irreverent Discourse October 24th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    shame – Something to remember is that not all of these guys were picked up to hit HR’s.

    They are supposed to be good, what’s why they were signed. They simply hit the ball harder than regular players. A lot of line drives that would be doubles end up over the fence. A lot of line drives that would be singles end up outs.

    To suggest that they somehow need “worse” or weaker hitters to combat this doesn’t make sense to me.

  17. Irreverent Discourse October 24th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    blake – Does that make it into a bidding war between Miami and LA for A-Rod? The mets will surely swoop in and fix all of it. :p

  18. blake October 24th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    Irreverent Discourse says:
    October 24, 2012 at 12:46 pm
    blake – Does that make it into a bidding war between Miami and LA for A-Rod? The mets will surely swoop in and fix all of it. :p

    The 3 dumb owner theory!

  19. Ys Guy October 24th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    arod had 18 hr/ 58 rbi in 119 games. that works out to 24 hr/79 rbi had he played 162 games. is this what you meant by ‘he was hitting before he got hurt” or were you referring to his awesome 4 hr/ 11 rbi in the 30 days prior to his injury?

  20. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 24th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    “The ones we have just needed to actually perform to their talent levels.”

    Aha!

    ***********

    Patrick – I agree with you. And I think that Alex said it all when he said that if he does his job, Joe and Cashman will not be able to sit him on the bench. If this lingers, it will be more media and fan driven than reality driven. I don’t believe there’s anything to repair.

  21. jacksquat October 24th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    Shame Spencer October 24th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
    jacksquat October 24th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    There is no point in trading Arod

    ——————–

    Which is why we need to trade for another 3B instead

    Please don’t leave out important context when you quote me! (I did not simply say there is no point trading Arod)

    If they want to get another 3B by trading age for youth, say Granderson for Olt, I’d be fine with that.

    I would not be ok with trading several of our best prospects/young players for 2 years of Headley.

    That said, I don’t see an urgent need for a 3B. Arod can probably be ok there for another 2-3 years if necessary. Defense is not his problem.

  22. Shame Spencer October 24th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    “To suggest that they somehow need “worse” or weaker hitters to combat this doesn’t make sense to me.”

    I… didn’t say that? I mean we need hitters with a variety of tools. A guy hitting .300 but only giving you 10-15 HRs is fine with me. Sprinkle a couple of those in our lineup and I think it looks better/produces better *shrugs*

    Why would I want guys that are worse??

  23. DONNYBROOK October 24th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    Yea, and Nero was Not aware that Rome was on fire.

  24. Irreverent Discourse October 24th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    Ys Guy – No I’m referring to the fact that he was two completely different hitters before and after the injury.

    Before the injury, when he was the 9th most productive 3B in the league.

    94 games of .276/.358/.449 with 15HR and 11 SB.

    I’m not saying this is worth what he’s getting paid, but its not easy to replace either.

  25. Against All Odds October 24th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    It’s too obvious that they are going to attribute those struggles to a small sample size.

    ——————————-

    They laid the ground work before the series even ended smh.

  26. DONNYBROOK October 24th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    Some of you must have Missed the Scutaro performance in the NLCS.

  27. Shame Spencer October 24th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Arod really isn’t a problem. I was just joshin’ ya squat, I don’t think he’s going anywhere. (but that doesn’t mean Headley isn’t!! :twisted: )

  28. austinmac October 24th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    I think all signs point to a nearly identical positional player group for next year with Swisher and Jones being gone. Ichiro will return if he will do a one year fairly low end contract.

    If true, how is the team not worse? Cashman doesn’t see a need for youth. He also said their aspiration is to “be in the mix”. It will be a long uninteresting winter.

  29. Irreverent Discourse October 24th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    shame – Every guy they signed was supposed to be hitting for a higher average and hasn’t. it is quite odd.

    If they didn’t hit the ball as hard, they would get more “base hits” and therefore be better hitters (with a higher average)?

    BA is not everything.

    The Yankees are in the top 5 in the league every year in contact %.

  30. Against All Odds October 24th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    . He also said their aspiration is to “be in the mix”.

    —————-

    What did he mean by that?

  31. Irreverent Discourse October 24th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    shame – again, lets not get stuck on this. i understand my analogies are terribly abstract. :p

  32. Irreverent Discourse October 24th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    “What did he mean by that?”

    Make the playoffs? It’s the best you can hope for until you get there.

  33. Shame Spencer October 24th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    Irreverent Discourse October 24th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    shame – Every guy they signed was supposed to be hitting for a higher average and hasn’t. it is quite odd.

    ————————

    But was it unpredictable? :D

    Tex’s swing has looked pretty ugly lately, Martin didn’t light it up last season to lead anyone to believe he’d go back to being a .280 hitter, Arod has been regressing downward for the last few seasons, Jeter should not have been as good this year by all statistical evidence….

    Cano certainly should have had better splits… that’s still a head-scratcher…

    I don’t think BA is everything, like I said before I like HRs. I freakin love ‘em. But if they’re only coming in bunches, feast or famine style, then it would help to have guys that can manufacture runs in other ways.

  34. Shame Spencer October 24th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    What they should have been and what they were was pretty apparent by the ASB, wasn’t it?

  35. blake October 24th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    Against All Odds says:
    October 24, 2012 at 1:02 pm
    . He also said their aspiration is to “be in the mix”.

    Translation…..winning is cool but were not going to strain ourselves as long is Hal is making enough profit

  36. J. Alfred Prufrock October 24th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    justsaying October 24th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    “Anyway, a lot of people attribute New York’s postseason failure to their inability to score runs without the long ball and want to see them embrace a more contact-oriented approach. I don’t necessarily buy the former but I am on board with the latter to a certain extent. However, the Cardinals had a contract-oriented approach and their offense still disappeared for a stretch in the playoffs. The point I’m trying to make is that there is no magic formula for a winning offense, there’s no right or wrong. You can do everything right and hit all the homers and drive in every runner in scoring position … and it still might not matter because anything can happen in a short series. It’s not luck, it’s just the day-to-day randomness of baseball and life in general.” Mike Axisa.

    A lot of people agreed with that analysis, if you read that thread on RAB.

    Sorry, folks, but I think you’re just guessing that a major truth about baseball will in fact play out according to the “randomness of baseball and life in general.”

    And ID and Patrick are correct, IMO – as is Axisa.
    ///

    Hey, justsaying,

    Long time, no see ;).

    Do you post on River Ave?

  37. Jerkface October 24th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    The only guy who is truly underperforming AVG wise is Tex. Grandy, Martin, Swisher, Ibanez, were just hitting about as expected.

  38. Irreverent Discourse October 24th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    shame – Unpredictable? No. Unexpected? No.

    Players get older. Nothing you can do to change that.

    Any player signed to more than a 1 year deal is taking on considerable risk.

    What is the alternative? Developing great players? Easier said than done, given the number of great players in the league at any given time can barely fill 2 teams.

  39. DONNYBROOK October 24th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    Even Hal had to take note of the empty seats during the Playoffs. The 2012 Yankees were Not a fan favorite, and assembling the same cast of characters will result inna Heaven’s Gate fiasco at the Box Office. Remember, Every single dollar saved inna A-Rod Dump, moves Hal closer to that $189 Mill.

  40. blake October 24th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    Jerkface says:
    October 24, 2012 at 1:19 pm
    The only guy who is truly underperforming AVG wise is Tex. Grandy, Martin, Swisher, Ibanez, were just hitting about as expected.

    That’s the issue….what if these guys perform as expected and Jeter doesn’t hit .320 again as a 39 year old coming off Ankle surgery?

  41. mick October 24th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    Wouldn’t a lump sum settlement with another team be the best way to go on Alex?
    Say 85m instead of paying his contract annual?

  42. DONNYBROOK October 24th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    Who cares who “agreed to what”. We know what we saw.

  43. mick October 24th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    That’s the issue….what if these guys perform as expected and Jeter doesn’t hit .320 again as a 39 year old coming off Ankle surgery?
    ===========
    That’s where Scutaro would come in handy.
    Not sexy, not a put fannies in the seats pick but a solid addition. In many ways.

  44. blake October 24th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    I think Yankee fans crave to watch at least a couple of players who have a chance to get better….. Instead of a full team full of guys who they are afraid might get worse due to age

  45. jacksquat October 24th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    I expected ~.260 from Granderson, what he hit in 2011 and his career avg. .230 was not expected with his bat speed.

    Tex has been a major disappointment. His contract looked good when it was signed, only through his age 36 year. Dropping from a .290-300 type hitter to a .250 hitter starting at age 30 sucks. And with his crappy neanderthal attitude/approach to hitting I don’t expect that to change.

  46. Irreverent Discourse October 24th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    blake – and what are Gardner, Cano, Hughes, Nova, Robertson? *puke* Nunez?

  47. RespectTheGame October 24th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    One added advantage if Marco came here is that if Mo comes back, he wouldn’t have to face Scutaro:D

  48. Irreverent Discourse October 24th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    Young talent is not cheap. It’s always going to be a balance between the few people that manage to pop their heads up out of the Yankee farm system, and an aging core of near elite hitters.

    It’s that or you don’t compete for the playoffs every season with any certainty.

    You can’t have it both ways.

  49. blake October 24th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    Irreverent Discourse says:
    October 24, 2012 at 1:30 pm
    blake – and what are Gardner, Cano, Hughes, Nova, Robertson? *puke* Nunez?

    I was more talking position players….but Cano is at his peak now…..Gardner as well

  50. Jerkface October 24th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Yea and its hard to hype up a fanbase on brett gardner

  51. jacksquat October 24th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    What do you all feel about SF not putting Melky on the WS roster? Honorable? Foolish?

  52. Irreverent Discourse October 24th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    jacksquat – I’ll go with both honorable and foolish, they could use all the offensive help they can get against Detroit. If winning at all costs was a real thing, he would be playing.

  53. blake October 24th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    jacksquat says:
    October 24, 2012 at 1:35 pm
    What do you all feel about SF not putting Melky on the WS roster? Honorable? Foolish?

    I don’t know….he hasn’t played in a long time and I don’t think Id want to disrupt the mojo they have going on right now…..

  54. Against All Odds October 24th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Irreverent Discourse October 24th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    “What did he mean by that?”

    Make the playoffs? It’s the best you can hope for until you get there.

    ———————–

    Basically what has been brought up on here more than once.

  55. Against All Odds October 24th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    blake October 24th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    Against All Odds says:
    October 24, 2012 at 1:02 pm
    . He also said their aspiration is to “be in the mix”.

    Translation…..winning is cool but were not going to strain ourselves as long is Hal is making enough profit

    ——————–

    LOL

  56. Shame Spencer October 24th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    Irreverent Discourse October 24th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    shame – Unpredictable? No. Unexpected? No.

    Players get older. Nothing you can do to change that.

    ————

    Yeah, we agree. Which is why I’d like to see them assuage that a bit… but I guess we’ll see what they do. I hope they do try to infuse youth in the areas where they can, so maybe we see some guys on the upswing instead of a downturn. And I am only talking about offense here, Hughes, Nova, Phelps… all good stuff. All upside for each of them, despite their individual issues… they can all be more successful next year than they were this year, and that most certainly is exciting.

  57. DONNYBROOK October 24th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    That genius in Miami is Now paying Ozzie something like $6.5 Mill to play Chutes-And-Ladders during the 2013 season. He’d bite on A-Rod.

  58. comet October 24th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    Off Season Calender:

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....endar.html

  59. Shame Spencer October 24th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    comet October 24th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    Off Season Calender:

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/…..endar.html

    ————————

    Hmmmm… I don’t see ‘rant and rave’ anywhere on there…. are we sure this is accurate?

  60. jacksquat October 24th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    I don’t think Miami bites on Arod unless he is really cheap for them (not worth it to Yankees). They seem to be shredding as much payroll as possible.

    Maybe they would trade contracts for contracts, but their remaining contracts aren’t anywhere near as bad as Arod’s.

  61. comet October 24th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    Hey Blake, Trisha, Shame and JAP.

    I would like to see the Yankees get younger. That could start in RF by replacing Swisher with someone who has better defense and can hit for average. Any ideas on who replaces Nick? I hope it is not Ichro!

  62. Against All Odds October 24th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    Any ideas on who replaces Nick? I hope it is not Ichro!

    —————

    It probably will be. They liked what he did last season.

  63. DONNYBROOK October 24th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    Firing Ozzie is Not “shredding payroll”. I do agree with you on the “contract-for-contract” comment. The Yanks missed a Quick Strike opportunity with Bell – A-Rod.

  64. Jerkface October 24th, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    Big difference between 6.5 million and 120 million

  65. Jerkface October 24th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    After moving Bell & firing Ozzie, the Marlins are up 3.5 million in savings.

  66. jacksquat October 24th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Didn’t say Ozzie was part of shedding payroll.

  67. DONNYBROOK October 24th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    Ichiro is Not a 3 Run Homer guy, so Girardi would not know how to best utilize Ichiro’s talents. Me, I would prefer Ichiro. Tough to acquire\sign guys like Ichiro or Scutaro, when you got a Mgr that simply has NO idea of how to Best use players of this ilk.

  68. comet October 24th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    AAO any thoughts who could replace Swisher other than Ichro?

  69. DONNYBROOK October 24th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    Keep Ozzie and the Marlins are up $9.5 Mill. My initial comment was More directed at the Marlin owner being a Nut and therefore going for A-Rod. His inconsistency in the monetary area is plain to see.

  70. Jerkface October 24th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    Justin Upton, Melky, Choo, BJ Upton, David Murphy, Alex Gordon, Torii Hunter, Coco Crisp could be options.

  71. Cashmoney October 24th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    D.Murphy is probably cheapest option in terms of potential talents render… FA aside. That is, if the Mets ever do a deal with Yanks.

  72. Irreverent Discourse October 24th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Shame – I try not to look at contracts as something a player has to exactly live up to. It’s an impossible endeavor and allows little room for success. I try to view them more as an assurance of a minimum expected performance.

    They get xxx amount of dollars based on their past (youthful) performances, and since most guys don’t get to FA until 27 you are basically buying into a losing deal to begin with.

    I agree that all new FA signings should be making the team younger, but it’s almost never possible to do at a reasonable cost. Trading the farm away is what got them in this mess to begin with.

  73. DONNYBROOK October 24th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    My guess is the Yanks do Not have the players needed to net Both Headley and J Upton. I would dump A-Rod and get Headley to play 3B. If possible, re-sign Ichiro to play RF. I have NO interest in BJ Upton. He’s a headcase.

  74. Jerkface October 24th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    David Murphy is on Texas, would have to trade for him.

  75. G. Love October 24th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    Just a slump. Small sample. Bad luck. The Umpires did us in! Rah!

    Keep making the same lame excuses but all of you doing that know the group of us who called this offensive collapse from last off season were spot on in our assessment.

    Many of us predicted this team would struggle last off season. Why? Because we’re Yankees fans who watch every game and can see what’s happening on the field. Because the previous 2 seasons they started to collectively decline and their ability to hit off speed pitches was disappearing save a few players.

    Arod was worse. Tex was worse. Grandy was worse. Martin was worse. Jones was worse. Swisher sort of stayed the same which meant he was a basket case once pressure fell to him in the lineup. Big shocker there.

    The only hitter who got better was Jeter. This was a poorly constructed team with too many hitters who do the same thing wrong.

    How the hitting coach survives this is unimaginable. The only guys with good approaches at the plate were Jeter, who doesn’t listen to Long, & Ichiro who probably thought Long was the pitching coach.

    And the Yankees are taking a hit in the season tickets pre-sold for next season. I’d expect to hear about another price drop in the coming weeks unless they raise prices in anticipation of selling less volume.

    The team was boring and predictable last season. The reason there was unrest and booing was because they played so poorly from the ASB on it was like watching the Mets.

    There will be wholesale changes. Mark my words. You will see a different team next year.

    Everything you’re hearing right now is just spin meant to make the Yankees appear not that desperate to make moves so opposing GM’s don’t come at them with a mask & a gun.

    The team needs help. Doing more of the same with players like Arod & Tex in the middle of the lineup is the definition of quitting before the season starts. Both of them should be platoon players based on how they hit.

    The Yankees know this and they’re working on a plan to fix it.

    Because if they don’t make any big changes to this “offense”? Eli’s coming.

  76. Against All Odds October 24th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    comet October 24th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    AAO any thoughts who could replace Swisher other than Ichro?

    ——————–

    JF posted a nice list of potential options.

  77. J. Alfred Prufrock October 24th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    Hi comet,

    My original dark horse for the OF was Zoilo Almonte, but upon further watching, I have since had to revise that projection. I like Almonte’s talent and power, but he appears to need more seasoning in the OF, and also as a hitter, especially if we want him to be a SH in more than name, only. They rushed Melky, and that retarded his hitting some.

    I like Abe Almonte a lot, but he’s just always getting himself injured due to how he plays. If he were healthy, I could see him being a candidate a little sooner than Zoilo. He’s got a more level swing, too, at least, LH.

    If Mesa could ever make a leap against offspeed, he’d be in the mix. Great arm and great glove, and some power.

    Those mil guys not being true options just yet brings me to what I would do: re-sign Melky.

    Contact hitter with some power, hits over .300 from both sides, has arm and glove, doesn’t shun the spotlight. 28 years old, and because of the PEDs, we can get him at a good price.

    It’s a no-brainer, to me.

  78. blake October 24th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    Jerkface says:
    October 24, 2012 at 2:04 pm
    Justin Upton, Melky, Choo, BJ Upton, David Murphy, Alex Gordon, Torii Hunter, Coco Crisp could be options.

    How much do you give for Choo….I like him but he can’t hit lefties at all…..I mean like at all….

  79. blake October 24th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    “How the hitting coach survives this is unimaginable. The only guys with good approaches at the plate were Jeter, who doesn’t listen to Long, & Ichiro who probably thought Long was the pitching coach.”

    I don’t know how much Long has to do with this….but it is curious that its true.

  80. Jerkface October 24th, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    How much do you give for Choo….I like him but he can’t hit lefties at all…..I mean like at all….

    He has had success against them in the past but for the most part you’re right. Given its only for 1 year, I’d give a mid range prospect for him? Like Warren & maybe a lower tier guy? I dunno if they’d even want to trade him.

  81. Cashmoney October 24th, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    I was thinking D. Murphy on the Mets JF.

  82. Patrick October 24th, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    Choo was good vs LHP in 2008 and 2009..

  83. DONNYBROOK October 24th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    - G LOVE -

    BEST post you have EVER made. NO numbers. NOT 1. Just what you Saw, Evaluated, and the Conclusions you reached. BEAUTIFUL

  84. blake October 24th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    Considering the Indians aren’t very good and are highly unlikely to sign Choo I would think they’ll look to trade him…..he’d be a great platoon guy…..too bad Ichiro doesn’t hit right handed

  85. Patrick October 24th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    Numbers are the devil!

  86. Shame Spencer October 24th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    ID – We definitely agree on the contract/performance issue…. personally, once a deal is signed I forget the cost. I won’t ever measure Arod against his contract because I don’t have any incentive to give a rat’s ass what the Yankees spend on their payroll.

    I dunno if they can add youth through the FA market.. it looks like if we want to get younger, we need to make trades or take a couple more risks in the IFA.

    But what a player costs doesn’t bother me or ever skew my view of their production. It only comes up in any discussion because the Yankees care about how much they spend… those silly, silly men.

  87. Jerkface October 24th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    I’d like to see what K Long can do with Choo. As Patrick pointed out he was successful in those years. He is a beast vs righties. Just need a righty for the bench in case he cannot be fixed.

  88. J. Alfred Prufrock October 24th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    GLove,

    I hope you’re right that they are just spinning. I would also assume they have to be.

    Thought it interesting that Girardi chalked up the booing to not scoring runs. That’s something
    Hal will be sensitive about: not booing, but dissatisfied customers. If he relates a torpid offensive showing to less fan interest, that hits him where he lives and there will be changes. Just hope they are the right ones. Any way, good post.

  89. yankeefeminista October 24th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    G Love, I was just about to post something similar. Seeing this team game in and game out, up close and personal, attending multiple games, year in and year out, you arrive pretty easily at what the team is lacking. We have hitters with holes in their swings who expose themselves in the playoffs. It is obvious. That is why we were calling for change, for hitting adjustments, for batters that go with the pitch/go oppo. I think predicting that the offense would fail was a no-brainer. Maybe people just don’t watch the AB’s closely enough and haven’t over the long haul. What other explanation is there for the lack of reality here about the O? Are people letting their love of the team get in the way of seeing the AB’s? :shrugs:

  90. Cashmoney October 24th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    in some way, choo remind me a bit of oneil… he is pretty good in most facets of the game. Do we have a reberto kelly we can trade for him?

  91. Irreverent Discourse October 24th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    G. Love – I’m curious… if they had not gotten swept out of detroit and made it to the world series… are you still here today complaining about the offense and how it can’t possibly win? What if they win the world series? Do you then complain that they can’t possibly repeat because of all of the “signs” you have been pointing to? How many runs do they need to score in a season before the complaining stops?

  92. Cashmoney October 24th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    when you have the luxury to watch most of the games, you don’t really need stats to validate much.

  93. DONNYBROOK October 24th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    Girardi’s desrciption of A-Rod being “healthy” and generally a “very good player” sounds like a guy attemtping to sell a car “as is”. As The Hawk would say, “He Gone”.

  94. J. Alfred Prufrock October 24th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    blake October 24th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    “How the hitting coach survives this is unimaginable. The only guys with good approaches at the plate were Jeter, who doesn’t listen to Long, & Ichiro who probably thought Long was the pitching coach.”

    I don’t know how much Long has to do with this….but it is curious that its true.
    ///

    But how is it that Long is not a casualty?

    A hitting coach, regardless of philosophy, has to be able to get a kinesthetic response from his players in order to be worth keeping. If that’s what we saw, that means it’s time to move on. If what we saw was a refusal to make adjustments suggested, well, that’s unfortunate for him, but it would still mean he wasn’t able to provoke positive changes in his hitters.

  95. DONNYBROOK October 24th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    People around here look at numbers and large sample sizes. A players’ current swing or play in general is secondary.

  96. Chad Jennings October 24th, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Irreverent Discourse October 24th, 2012 at 12:37 pm e
    As you might expect, a significant amount of time was devoted to questions about Alex Rodriguez.

    What did you ask about, Chad?

    —–

    I asked about injuries. Thought it was the only shot we had at actual news — maybe, just maybe, the Yankees had some banged up players they weren’t talking about at the end of the season that Girardi would now feel comfortable talking about heading into the offseason. Seemed worth a shot. He said there was no one hurt who we didn’t already know about. Didn’t really get me anywhere.

  97. G. Love October 24th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    J.AP,

    They’re not going to run the same bunch out there.

    But they are going to attempt to be “stealthy” about it since that’s Cashman’s M.O.

    The lack of passion at the stadium was directly proportionate to the product on the field.

    Yankee fans, whether they are casual or die-hard, will cheer for a team that inspires them. It’s why Jeter, Andy & Mo routinely get the largest cheers. It’s why Ichiro became an instant fan favorite. It’s why Ibanez heard louder roars than Arod and Tex.

    Yankee fans don’t ask for the players to hit .750 for a season.

    But watching the usual suspects with the same futility again and again in the same situations grew painful for non-Pollyannic portion of the fanbase who actually draw conclusions from what they see on the field and in at bat after at bat.

    Swisher is first off the island. I expect more to be done that just that.

    If they roll this same group out there sans him it will be met with a collective yawn and when they struggle early on like they always do before the weather heats us it will be uglier than the playoffs.

    They have to make moves just for fan interest sake.

  98. blake October 24th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    “I’d like to see what K Long can do with Choo”

    Probably make him hit more homers and K more…..Choo is pretty simple at the plate already though so Long hopefully wouldn’t mess with him

  99. Irreverent Discourse October 24th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    Chad – LOL, getting anywhere with Girardi seems to be a lost cause.

    You should post what you asked in your articles so we know :)

  100. blake October 24th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    Were you guys aware that there is a spin off of Mr. Rodgers now on PBS? Daniel Tiger’s neighborhood ….it’s good I guess but the Land of Make believe just isn’t the same with CG cartoons and without the sweater and shoe flip…..

  101. J. Alfred Prufrock October 24th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    GLove,

    The one good thing about being ousted is I’m not getting five emails a day from the Yanks trying to sell me playoff tix.

    But I’m expecting the full-court press as we near 2013.

    Yankeefem,

    It’s all the difference seeing the games live, I agree. Went to the least amount of games this year probably in over 3 decades.

  102. G. Love October 24th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    I.D.,

    They didn’t make the World Series. They barely showed up in the ALCS.

    And what I was saying and many others on here was that the core of the offense, Arod, Tex, Grandy, Swisher, Martin (to an extent) were poor situational hitters who were prone to chasing breaking balls and were trying to pull everything over the RF wall regardless of the situation at hand.

    I was very vocal about the Yankees being able to win if Jeter, Cano, Ichiro, Ibanez and Chavez would carry the water.

    I said many times we had a championship level pitching staff this year that was wasted and we just needed enough runs to win.

    That still doesn’t make it okay that the bats I mentioned above were horrid when facing pitchers with decent off speed stuff that didn’t throw them fastball cookies over the plate.

    They could’ve won a title this year if some of those guys were replaced by guys who could make contact. Who had better pitch recognitiion. Who weren’t in steep declines already in their supposed prime years.

    I didn’t wish it on the Yankees. I saw it happening for the past 3 seasons right before my eyes.

    We’d win a game 15-3 and then the next 7 games we’d struggle to score runs until the next blowout broken them out of their slumps. The 15-3 blowout games and the majority of our run differential was built in blowouts against the weak underbelly of poor middle relief corps.

    It didn’t take a lot of watching this team play every day to see the holes in the swings and their approaches.

  103. Cashmoney October 24th, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    who is going to driver you home tonight if the bro man is gone… can’t go on thinking nothing is wrong…

  104. Irreverent Discourse October 24th, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    G. Love – What team is actually doing what you want better than the Yankees are?

    Anyone that watches more than just Yankee games should know that 90% of the teams offenses in the league are super-thin and riddled with terrible players.

  105. Shame Spencer October 24th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    “I think predicting that the offense would fail was a no-brainer. ”

    You’ll be happy to know we decided earlier that this isn’t a prediction at all!! :D

  106. MoRings42 October 24th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    - Lack of crowd noise during the postseason, Girardi said, could be due to lack of offense.

    Are you freaking kidding me???? Please tell me he was smiling when he said that.

    That Ichiro comment above it ticks me off too. If we’re going into next season with the same philosophy of waiting for the big hit, it’s going to be another early year. That was great for the regular season but they need to build for the postseason too and last years offense was not very good at that.

  107. luis October 24th, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    Good afternoon guys,

    Anyone that expects this offense to be fine if Tex and Arod are healthy, better think again:

    Tex stats: 2009 292 BA/ 383 OBP/ 565 SLG/ 948 OPS
    2010 256 / 365 / 481 / 846
    2011 248 / 341 / 494 / 835
    2012 251 / 332 / 475 / 807

    Arod stats: 2009 286 BA/ 402 OBP/ 532 SLG/ 933 OPS
    2010 270 / 341 / 506 / 847
    2011 276 / 362 / 461 / 823
    2012 272 / 353 / 430 / 783

    They are going to be one year older and they are clearly trending down. If the offense is not addressed this OS, we either miss the PS all together or we are bound for another early exit. There is no other way to see this. They can´t be counted on anchoring this lineup anymore. On top of it, the Jays do have a very good team and Tampa is not going anywhere. No need to be Nostradamus to see this, just a little common sense. Add to that, that we don´t know what Jeter will be able to do at age 39 after an ankle fracture. The real problem is…Do we start a rebuilding process and have a couple of down seasons as a result of going younger or Do we trade the future in exchange of one dicey WS chance. Of course, G Love proposed a very sound strategy both to keep us competitive without compromising the future. But I don´t see mr “Balance sheet” Hal go this route or Cashman to go this bold either.

  108. yankeefeminista October 24th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    Shame, don’t know what you are referring to, but mere semantics. I actually call what some here call “complaining,” just plain ole baseball analysis. A linguist would have a field day on this site. :)

  109. G. Love October 24th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    ID,

    I only watch Yankee games so I can’t tell you. I know offense is down league wide, but that’s just an excuse to let players with poor approaches on this team off the hook. They had too many guys who do the same things wrong. I think a better lineup has 3 guys who are power hitters who have that flaw and 6 guys who can do other things with the bat since the key is having runners on base. If we have guys on base more, the power hitters will get their cookies and the offense will be more consistent. We had too many guys looking to hit it to the 3rd Avenue bridge. It’s roster composition. And perhaps a hitting coach preaching that kind of hitting.

    That being said, I do think Fielder and Cabrera lived up to their contracts in the ALCS. They came up with enough hits in key situations to help the team and Delmon Young was locked in. They won that series with good pitching and 3 or 4 hitters.

    The same can’t be said about Arod, Tex, Cano, Grandy or Swisher. None of them lived up to their contracts or their roles in the offense.

  110. yankeefeminista October 24th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    …or baseball “discussion,” if you like. Any progress on the NHL lockout?

  111. MoRings42 October 24th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    Sometimes I wish they’d just sell the team to another person that cares like Steinbrenner did. You just don’t feel it with this group.

  112. Irreverent Discourse October 24th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    G. Love – If they had lived up to their roles, then you would be OK with the offense because the results were better?

    I’m just trying to understand who these magical hitters are you think are out there that can “hit in situations”.

  113. luis October 24th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    yankeefeminista October 24th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
    G Love, I was just about to post something similar. Seeing this team game in and game out, up close and personal, attending multiple games, year in and year out, you arrive pretty easily at what the team is lacking. We have hitters with holes in their swings who expose themselves in the playoffs. It is obvious. That is why we were calling for change, for hitting adjustments, for batters that go with the pitch/go oppo. I think predicting that the offense would fail was a no-brainer. Maybe people just don’t watch the AB’s closely enough and haven’t over the long haul. What other explanation is there for the lack of reality here about the O? Are people letting their love of the team get in the way of seeing the AB’s? :shrugs

    =====================

    Probably

  114. comet October 24th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    Hey Luis!

    I agree with those who would sign Melky!

    Any chance of trading Tex? I know he has a no trade, however it would help to get out of that contract.

  115. luis October 24th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    Hey Comet! Good to see you! Hope everything is getting better on your part of the woods ;)

    I would love them to trade Tex…But someone said that he loves living in CT::: so I see that trade very unrealistic, unless he is told that he is not wanted anymore and the team starts a rebuilding phase (Meaning no PS for him)

  116. comet October 24th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    I would do that to get rid of Tex Luis. Pay him to accept a trade. Don’t know who I could get to replace him. I sure wouldn’t want Fielder from Detroit.

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