Girardi’s final word
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 24, 2012 
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Managers are rarely heard during the offseason. Joe Girardi will speak at a handful of charity appearances this winter, and he’ll probably do a few radio interviews, but for the most part we won’t hear from him until the day pitchers and catchers report for spring training.
For now, this morning’s press conference will be his final word.
As we’ve mentioned before, there’s probably not much Girardi can say to explain the past three weeks. His team was playing well at the end of the regular season, then the offense went missing, and now the Yankees are sitting at home on the day the World Series gets started in San Francisco.
“There is only one team that’s going to be happy when the year ends,” Girardi said after Game 4 of the ALCS.
There’s little happiness with the Yankees these days. Some of the anger toward the team will probably subside in the coming weeks, but for now there’s just too much disappointment, and Girardi’s typical patience and optimism are probably going to rub some fans the wrong way when he holds his press conference later this morning.
Maybe he’ll have some injury updates, and maybe he’ll feel free to drop some news that he kept quiet during the season, but for the most part I’m expecting more of the same: A manager who’s still not sure why exactly it ended this way, and who fully believes that his team could win the World Series if given one more chance.
Associated Press photo
@BenBadler: The Baseball America guide to Shohei Otani, and the Japanese high school pitching prospect who might be even better http://t.co/ehygTyda
Good morning Blake.
Just a quick drive by from Sedona to say hi.
@johnmanuelba: Thorough breakdown by @benbadler of Japanese RHP Shohei Otani, who’s not even his nation’s top amateur pitcher http://t.co/fD6fn1gG
Hey MTU,
How’s the adventure going ?
MTU – You’re evenness is missed
I dunno that I understand what it means that Shohei Otani is going to be picked first by the Hams….. I need JF to explain this whole thing to me.
Cashman’s comments weren’t all that a-typical. He’s certainly right that we don’t have any young guys knocking…. I wish someone would ask a follow up on that lol.
I hate when people tweet links that you have to pay to read!! I wouldn’t have posted them if I realized that…..
“I dunno that I understand what it means that Shohei Otani is going to be picked first by the Hams….. I need JF to explain this whole thing to me.”
Basically sounds like they are threatening to take him first to try and shame him into not coming to MLB or to compete for his services with MLB teams…..
I don’t know how much Japanese teams typically give to sign but if all the MLB teams play by the rules Id assume the Ham Fighters could top 2.9 million dollars
Good morning Blake and en-route MTU, Kev, Yanks61 and anyone else:
Chad-
If you are present at Girardi’s ppress conference, could you get Girardi to tell you exactly what kind of surgery Jeter had and if there was any ligament damage or a more extensive fracture than just the distal tibia. Trying to accurately understand if his lateral movement will be compromised to play SS.
blake October 24th, 2012 at 8:28 am
If Cashman can’t see the lack of bat speed in te Yanks lineup then I just don’t know what to tell him…..
The Cards went cold in the NLCS…..but they didn’t just get steamrolled by two pitching staffs over 9 games…..their offense won them some games too …..to me that’s a case of a lineup just goin cold against good pitching…..the Yanks was more a case of an old lineup doing what was somewhat predictable against too pitching
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Yeah.. exactly. The Cards and Yankee offense isn’t a great comparison.
blake – Just so I understand correctly, just because they pick him doesn’t mean he has to sign there or that it locks MLB into a posting situation, right?
That was my only concern, that once they drafted him they’d collect a posting fee. But I guess it makes sense that would only be the case if he actually signed after they drafted him.
Good morning Shame.
I thought I read yesterday that the most the Yankees could offer Shohei Otani is the 250K left on their IFA budget, but they could trade with another team under budget, to raise more money.
Blake, Shame or JF if awake, do you have any further clarification?
I found it on Bronx Baseball Daily:
Because Otani is only 18, teams will be subject to the spending restrictions on international free agents and the Yankees have nearly spent all of the $2.9 million they have been allotted.
How there are two ways the Yankees could still land him, but both are unlikely. If they go more than $250K past the $2.9 million allotment then they can’t sign IFA’s next year so that rules that out. Or they could wait until July to sign him when the spending limit is reset for the year. The latter is very unlikely because it’s not like the Yankees could outspend anybody even then so Otani has no motivation to wait that long.
Now this doesn’t kill the Yankees chances even if it does make them extremely unlikely to get into the mix. There is a provision in the CBA that allows them to trade for another team’s IFA allotment, up to 50 percent. That’s never actually happened though so I’m not sure how it works, but the Yankees could potentially find themselves with another $1.45 million to spend that way
Article plus photo of Otani-no wonder he generates so much power!
http://bronxbaseballdaily.com/.....hei-otani/
“blake – Just so I understand correctly, just because they pick him doesn’t mean he has to sign there or that it locks MLB into a posting situation, right?”
Correct….he’s an amateur free agent at the moment
Trader – My understanding was they could go beyond 250k but would have to pay a penalty tax on whatever they went over and I think it would limit them next off season… I think…
JF is the expert.
Oh my god.. that picture is Robertson-esque.
I dunno how much I’d worry about not being able to sign any IFA’s next year…
“I thought I read yesterday that the most the Yankees could offer Shohei Otani is the 250K left on their IFA budget, but they could trade with another team under budget, to raise more money.”
My understanding is that they can bid whatever they want for him….it’s just that if they go over 15% more than the cap then they pay 100% tax over te amount……so if they signed him for 4 million then its really cost them 8 million……and also they’d be forbidden to go over 250k next year……
If he’s really a top 5 type talent though then that penalty isn’t so stiff….,consider if it was Dylan Bundy….would if be worth those penalties to draft him?
Anybody watch that 30 for 30 last night on Ben Wilson?
Bronx Baseball is wrong,
First of all they can still sign IFAs, only the max contract will be limited. Secondly they cannot trade IFA cap space until the next signing period when the pools become distributed by ranking.
The Ham Fighters drafting Otani is like an MLB team drafting a kid who really wants to go to college & has multiple scholarship offers. Interesting factoid: Multiple teams can draft the same player, and then a lottery is held for the rights. The Chunichi Dragons (NLCS champs) drafted a kickass short stop in the last draft who was also picked by 2 two teams with a worse record & won the lottery (which I assume is NBA style).
His contract is only 100k with a $10k bonus, so the draft contracts for the NPB are NOT anywhere close to the kind of major league contracts or IFA bonuses kids can get.
Tyler I saw most of it. It was done really well
Thanks for the info on Otani. It would be nice for the Yankees to generate some fan interest early in the offseason by signing Otani.
Hopefully the WS is a sweep, so the Yankees offseason activity will start that much earlier, within the 1st 5 days with opt outs, qualifying offers, etc.
Part of the Yankee offensive malaise lays at the feet of Girardi. He aint got a clue as to how to employ a small-ball offense, and he has the players to do this. He had Jeet, Ichiro, and Gardner, ALL small-ball capable. Nunez too. And that’s another BONER that rests at the feet of the Yankee Hierarchy. NOT initially having Nunez on the ALCS roster is flat-out BONEHEAD and Nunez made ‘em look like absolute Idiots for the slight. Girardi can do his “Ah shucks” routine all day at that podium this AM. He is a Horrible in-game Mgr, has No idea how to jump start an offense by using the small-ball approach, and he continues to Not fight for his team when blown call after blown call is made against his team. Is it any wonder this team went out with a Whimper???
Good break down of what being drafted means for Otani: http://www.chadmoriyama.com/20.....questions/
MLB teams might allow the Ham Fighters their negotiation period which lasts until March 31.
At Trader if the Yankees can get Otani and make a move for Upton or sign Hamilton to 5 yrs that would get fans excited about the up coming season.
JF-
Still confused. If the Yankees offer more that the 250K left on this years IFA signing budget-lets just say 4M, and he accepts, how does that affect the Yankees penalty-wise and ability to sign IFA’s next signing period in 2013?
Check out Otani’s stride length in that photo….that’s crazy….knee almost touching the ground
it’s a long shot, something i don’t see Cashman and FO would do… 1. you spend double money 2. you lose essentially ability to sign any name prospects in IFA next year. 3 if you do both, they might still sign with Ms or Dodgers. realistically, any of you expecting this to happen under this management’s often rigid thought process?
Jerk, you think Cashman has even thought of the idea of potential blow up one year’s pick in order to obtain premium talent for this year. I am saying such train of thoughts are fool proof, nothing is when dealing with projection, but you for a min think Cashman can think out of the box along that train of thoughts? I think you know the answer. just let go already…
“His contract is only 100k with a $10k bonus, so the draft contracts for the NPB are NOT anywhere close to the kind of major league contracts or IFA bonuses kids can get.”
Is that like a hard slot?
Blake and Shame-
Thought you’d like that photo.
Thanks for the clarifications JF.
Personally, I’d like them to go ahead and sign Otani, but realistically when do you think the kid would have an impact if they did?
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It really was. I think Michael Wilbon summed it up best when he said that the one of the things that bothers us the most is potential that isn’t fulfilled. Strictly sticking to the world of sports, it’s intriguing to think how he could have changed the landscape of basketball…. does MJ win 6 rings if Benji is in the NBA?
not fool proof
how does that affect the Yankees penalty-wise and ability to sign IFA’s next signing period in 2013?
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They pay 100% tax on any overage & next season they will be limited to $250,000 as the max signing bonus per player. Considering pools start next year based on record or even an international draft, the Yankees will already be at a disadvantage in that season. Thats why I think they should go over.
A lot of the Yankees best IFAs are the quantity guys they got for bonuses around 250k. They can make it work.
Personally, I’d like them to go ahead and sign Otani, but realistically when do you think the kid would have an impact if they did?
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He is 18, so if he were like Phil Hughes & dominated the minors he would probably be able to make an impact by 2015.
One premium (top 5) prospect in the Han is worth a whole bunch of later round quality dudes in the bush.
Lotta verbiage around here concerning a player, (Otani), that the Yanks aint gonna chase.
Is that like a hard slot?
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No I don’t think its hard slot. I think its just that contracts in NPB are on a different scale than MLB. They play less games, there are less players overall, less teams, the teams are cheaper. The Yomiuri Giants set a record for paying a player the most money 2 years ago when they offered their star 3B a 2 year deal worth 5.1 million per year.
MLB teams spend that on the draft.
JF,
2 questions
1) who is this other guy that BA is talking about a maybe being better than Otani
2) what was that list you tweeted last night about the 2003 drug testing?
JF-
Thanks for the link. The author already thinks Otani has his mind made up and narrowed it down to 3 teams.
Who is going to sign him?
I sort of addressed this already, but it’s basically down to the Dodgers, Rangers, and Red Sox, according to him. Others are interested but he’s focusing on those three
let’s sum this up. The New CBA is Yanks public enemy number one. Because, they win all the time!
Yanks eff up with chances for premium talents when there was no cap at this time last year. now you can either abide this sliding scale and almost socialistic bs CBA system and be severely limited in talent flow or you can do something shady and screw this eff up system. I vote for the latter.
10-1 money on anyone who realistic thinks yanks getting otani.
1) who is this other guy that BA is talking about a maybe being better than Otani
2) what was that list you tweeted last night about the 2003 drug testing?
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I’m assuming Sugano, who wants to play for the Giants under his uncle.
As for the list I assume it is the leaked 2003 list of players who tested positive.
Who was on the list….I couldn’t get it to open?
Who is going to sign him?
I sort of addressed this already, but it’s basically down to the Dodgers, Rangers, and Red Sox, according to him. Others are interested but he’s focusing on those three
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Well my money would be on the Dodgers. I think another team could outbid. The Dodgers & rangers have the most contact with him pre-decision, but once negotiations set it in another team could advance. Keep in mind these teams have been meeting with his high school manager, not Otani himself.
The Yankees just met with him, so my hope is that they understand what kind of opportunity this is, even if I don’t think they will eventually sign him.
https://t.co/LLkjqqA6 I can’t copy & paste because its an image PDF but here is the link again.
I sort of addressed this already, but it’s basically down to the Dodgers, Rangers, and Red Sox, according to him. Others are interested but he’s focusing on those three
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I wonder why he wouldn’t consider the Yankees if they were willing to spend…. I would think the Yanks popularity in Japan would help.
Thanks for the estimate JF…. at this point, we don’t have a lot of pitching to bank on down there. It’d be nice to have someone in the minors that doesn’t need surgery.
And not that they’d do this, but are there any clauses that would stop a team from signing and trading him? Just curious about that… don’t see it as a real possibility.
Oh man.. I need to go back and check JF tweets…. and find blake on twitter…
wow jason bay, eric chavez, john smoltz??
I wonder why he wouldn’t consider the Yankees if they were willing to spend…. I would think the Yanks popularity in Japan would help.
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Those are just the 3 teams that met with his manager before his decision when they were scouting him. The Yankees scouted him but did not have a meeting. The Orioles tried to get a meeting but it had to be cancelled.
The Yankees met with his manager recently after his decision.
And not that they’d do this, but are there any clauses that would stop a team from signing and trading him? Just curious about that… don’t see it as a real possibility.
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I think you can’t trade a signed prospect for like a year. They would become a PTBNL
MIGUEL CAIRO?!
“Oh man.. I need to go back and check JF tweets…. and find blake on twitter…”
Mostly I just use twitter to mock dumb baseball writers….it’s therapeutic
Classic Billy Martin strategy being employed by Boche with the Zito Game 1 start. Basically throw the 1st game away inna 7 game series, in order to straighten out your rotation. If the guy happens to pitch well, you look like a genius. Did it with Beattie back in the day.
Who’s number 13?
Wait…. FLAHERTY?!…….Holy sh*t….
Farnsworth is no surprise.. guy fights like a UFC champ..
Who’s number 13?
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Bonds if its alphabetical
JF-
That sounds about right then. Hopefully the Yanks can make a late charge but I doubt they get the job done. It would be nice to have that arm in the system…. the Yanks went from seemingly stocked with young pitching to some serious question marks.
Tyler October 24th, 2012 at 9:52 am
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It really was. I think Michael Wilbon summed it up best when he said that the one of the things that bothers us the most is potential that isn’t fulfilled. Strictly sticking to the world of sports, it’s intriguing to think how he could have changed the landscape of basketball…. does MJ win 6 rings if Benji is in the NBA?
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Yes that’s the biggest question. What could he have done if he lived? Would he have been top ten all time. Would the entire dynamic of the league be different? It’s sad when you think about it because he had so much in front of him
blake – Mostly I use twitter to stalk the Backstreet Boys… same reasons lol.
Although occasionally I post something amusing… normally its a retweet of Pimp Bill Clinton.
Pujols….
Smoltz…..smh…..
David Eckstein? That can’t be right…. dude was like 5’7” and slender.
bahahaha poster boy veritek
- SLOW DAY QUESTION -
JF – That’s what I was thinking.. why 13 and 31?
Where did this come from? How has no new outlet picked this up?
is this list legit??
news*
Who you guys got in the Presidential Election ???
I’m goin’ with The Chalk. OBAMA
No to politics. Have no place on a sports forum.
Top 10 baseball fights
http://www.sportsviews.com/vid.....all_fights
Offseason calendar from MLBTRs:
Immediately after World Series – Eligible players hit free agency
Ihree days after World Series – Option decisions due
Five days after World Series – Qualifying offers due
Six days after World Series – Free agents can sign contracts with teams other than their former clubs
12 days after World Series – Players must accept or reject qualifying offers
November 7th – 9th – GM Meetings
November 20th – Deadline for setting 40-man roster in advance of Rule 5 Draft
November 30th – Deadline for teams to tender contracts to arbitration eligible players
December 3rd – 6th – Winter Meetings
December 6th – Rule 5 Draft takes place at Winter Meetings
January – Teams, players exchange arbitration figures
February – Arbitration hearings take place
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#LRfeUkvRAlpXOISR.99
I asked who you “got”. NOT who you are gonna vote for. And please DO NOT attempt to employ censorship around here.
The Islanders are going to play in Brooklyn…… ? Is that what’s going on? Can they change their name? Will JayZ write a song about them?
Against All Odds October 24th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Tyler October 24th, 2012 at 9:52 am
Against-
It really was. I think Michael Wilbon summed it up best when he said that the one of the things that bothers us the most is potential that isn’t fulfilled. Strictly sticking to the world of sports, it’s intriguing to think how he could have changed the landscape of basketball…. does MJ win 6 rings if Benji is in the NBA?
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Yes that’s the biggest question. What could he have done if he lived? Would he have been top ten all time. Would the entire dynamic of the league be different? It’s sad when you think about it because he had so much in front of him
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Yep. I remember first hearing about Ben’s story through an article on Derrick Rose. There was no way that neighborhood was going to let Rose have that same fate…. if you did so much as breathe on Rose wrong, you were going to be in for a world of pain.
Shame Spencer October 24th, 2012 at 10:21 am
The Islanders are going to play in Brooklyn…… ? Is that what’s going on? Can they change their name? Will JayZ write a song about them?
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Maybe John Taveras will get lost on his way to Brooklyn and magically end up in St. Louis.
Its not censorship, its common decorum. And if you didn’t notice, this isn’t a public square, which is why comments get deleted and its not infringing on free speech.
Jerkface October 24th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Its not censorship, its common decorum. And if you didn’t notice, this isn’t a public square, which is why comments get deleted and its not infringing on free speech.
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Beat me to the punch.
Fred McGriff on that list? You’re telling me that he wasn’t so good simply by following the Tom Emanski instructional video? That’s devastating to me…
Oh, deleting a comment is Not censorship ???? I watched the debate after Game 7 Monday night, and thought Obama cleaned Mitt’s clock.
Hassey – That list doesn’t have Farnsworth. It voids the entire thing.
“blake – Mostly I use twitter to stalk the Backstreet Boys… same reasons lol.”
Backstreet boys huh? No Nysnc or 98 degrees?
So what’s the story behind this list? I don’t see Miguel Cabrera on there. Must be a fake.
Oh, deleting a comment is Not censorship ????
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I said it was not infringing on free speech, which it isn’t. This is a private company’s space for user comments, they can control what is said here. If you didn’t notice, curse words are for the most part banned, cry about it.
just as the socks turn their attention to bringing back david ortiz, bobby v throws him under the bus.
referring to big papi returning from the dl on aug 24th, bobby said ,
“He got two hits the first two times up, drove in a couple runs; we were off to the races. Then he realized that [the team's trade with the Dodgers on Aug. 25] meant that we’re not going to run this race and we’re not even going to finish the race properly and he decided not to play anymore. I think at that time it was all downhill from there.”
bobby v. the gift that keeps on giving….
I don’t see Miguel Cabrera on there.
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He came to the majors after the testing was complete that year.
My guess would be that Hal has a Mitt button on the inside of his lapel.
Juan Pierre on the list!
LMAO. Must have taken a placebo.
Yankee Trader October 24th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Juan Pierre on the list!
LMAO. Must have taken a placebo.
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him and paul quantrill
Lotta noise on ESPN Radio drubbing Bobby V. over his Big Pappi\Big Quitter comments. The only R\Sox news they got is Bad News these days.
Trader-
So must have Pokey Reese and David Eckstein, lol.
blake October 24th, 2012 at 10:25 am
“blake – Mostly I use twitter to stalk the Backstreet Boys… same reasons lol.”
Backstreet boys huh? No Nysnc or 98 degrees?
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The others are far inferior to their harmonic stylings: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2PHqFfyKg4 (I love the Beach Boys too, so this was like worlds colliding in the best way ever.)
How bout that Justin Timberlake, not even inviting his old Nsync bandmates to his wedding.. burn!
I’m only referencing a conversation yesterday about Cabrera. I don’t actually believe he uses.
How do you make a list of baseball fights and NOT include any Kyle Farnsworth???
Shotty research.
Bobby V has been More outspoken since getting the R\Sox job, than when he was a baseball analyst for ESPN. He was pretty tame in the booth.
I mean I don’t like Bobby at all…. and definitely don’t like airing dirty laundry…. but all that being said, I basically believe him regarding Ortiz lol!
JF – Where did the list come from?? I’m surprised no one in the media has jumped on it? It’d make a nice off season story line… maybe they’re waiting for after the WS to give it their full attention lol.
I buy the Ortiz stuff he is peddling. But realistically, why would Ortiz wanta risk getting further injured in his walk year. That team was DOA at the All Star Break. As was the Mgr.
Cannot name my source, but the PDF was just on a random dropbox.
But this was just the past couple of days?
Just found it last night.
I guess I know how I’ll be spending my afternoon… (tweeting random journalists and listening to the sweet sweet harmonies of the Backstreet Boys).
I do like that JF has unnamed sources…. it’s very JF. Man’s a mystery.
After I spend all morning doing nothing but what is listed above, I’ll spend my afternoon trying to figure out #31….
Tyler October 24th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Against All Odds October 24th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Tyler October 24th, 2012 at 9:52 am
Against-
It really was. I think Michael Wilbon summed it up best when he said that the one of the things that bothers us the most is potential that isn’t fulfilled. Strictly sticking to the world of sports, it’s intriguing to think how he could have changed the landscape of basketball…. does MJ win 6 rings if Benji is in the NBA?
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Yes that’s the biggest question. What could he have done if he lived? Would he have been top ten all time. Would the entire dynamic of the league be different? It’s sad when you think about it because he had so much in front of him
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Yep. I remember first hearing about Ben’s story through an article on Derrick Rose. There was no way that neighborhood was going to let Rose have that same fate…. if you did so much as breathe on Rose wrong, you were going to be in for a world of pain.
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They had every right to feel that way especially with what they went through before. We can all understand why they were so protective when it came to Rose.
To change the subject to ARod.
First of all. I believe ARod will be the Yankees primary 3rd baseman next year and will not give up his NTC, unless he becomes completely miserable playing in NY, in which case he might agree to a trade to a few select teams.
Again, I still don’t believe he’s tradeable this offseason. I’m including a Yahoo Sports entry, just posted on a Cub’s fans take on trading for ARod. He doesn’t mention if the Yankees would consider taking back a bad contract, but if ARod did agree, would you take back Alfonso Soriano?
Here’s the article:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/f.....1;mlb.html
Against-
They absolutely did. The top recruit in the nation for next year’s class is also from Simeon, Jabari Parker. He’s an interesting story too.
Rumors out there that A-Rod has Already confided to his confidants that he WILL ok a deal to big market teams. I would guess the benching has Stung, and he has No desire to endure future benchings. These guys have High self esteem whether merited or Not.
its a question of character. a quitter not only quits his team when the season goes bad but will quit games when things arent going well (or when they are but something else is bothering him) or quit an at-bat when they don’t like a call, etc, etc, etc.
sad to say but not only is papi quitting his team when they needed him not unusual in the majors, it might be what the majority of players do when faced with adversity, apathy or distraction.
seems like a whole lotta yankees didnt have any fight in them in detroit.
Girardi is Public Enemy #1 when it comes to fighting for your team. He layed down, they layed down. Jeet was absent.
Tyler October 24th, 2012 at 10:48 am
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They absolutely did. The top recruit in the nation for next year’s class is also from Simeon, Jabari Parker. He’s an interesting story too.
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Refresh my memory is he the one that decided to have Benji’s name and number on the sneaker.
Jack Curry should get a New picture. That one he is currently using looks like something outta a photo booth at your local Miniature Golf.
Trading A-Rod for Alfonso Soriano would create a black hole.
Gotta go.
Have a great day everyone.
Apparently the pitcher who might be better than Otani is Shintaro Fujinami, who threw a 2 hit CG shut out in the Koshien championship game.
“I do like that JF has unnamed sources…. it’s very JF. Man’s a mystery.”
JF is a man/robot of mystery for sure…..I still can’t get the list to download…..
the amount of blame girardi gets for millionaire hitters flailing and failing and quitting on their team is really amazing.
Jerkface says:
October 24, 2012 at 11:02 am
Apparently the pitcher who might be better than Otani is Shintaro Fujinami, who threw a 2 hit CG shut out in the Koshien championship game.
Get them both…..pitching holds the keys!
Kev-
I just saw your reply. I’m not promoting that deal, but you get a right handed bat for corner OF/DH who’s is signed for only 2 more years at 18M per, and possibly free up some monies to pursue other options.
Ys Guy says:
October 24, 2012 at 11:04 am
the amount of blame girardi gets for millionaire hitters flailing and failing and quitting on their team is really amazing.
I agree…..Girardi wasn’t the problem…..the problem was that all the players hit like Girardi or worse
Anyway-outta here.
Fujinami throws 93-94 mph and will be drafted by the Chunichi Dragons at the very least
blake – You can’t open it at all or you can open it, you just can’t save it?
Are you disappointed that after all that hard work spent yesterday getting the blog off a steroid discussion we’re back at square one?
“Are you disappointed that after all that hard work spent yesterday getting the blog off a steroid discussion we’re back at square one?”
Yea a little…..but at least a least isn’t ( I assume) just blind speculation about people using
A list
The Only inning in the playoffs, (9th vs O’s) the Yanks did anything was when Girardi used a hit-and-run. It opened the entire inning up. Girardi then reverted back to his waiting onna 3 Run Homer, and the malaise set in. Girardi DOES bear a lotta responsibility for the Yankee offense going into the toilet in the Playoffs.
I’m surprised you’re having trouble dling it..
Yea, a list that came from who-knows-where, compiled by MR X, is Not blind speculation. HAHAHAHAHA
Shame,
I finally got it….who are the blacked out names….an is this list legit? Questions
Could Cashman be the problem?
Trisha said: Detroit managed to keep the Yanks off balance. The Yankees didn’t recognize and adjust to the pitching backwards, so it seems, and their fate was sealed.
Does it mean they don’t know how to hit? Don’t think so.
What I think it means is that they are vulnerable to offspeed pitches, and also, that they are an older team whose batspeed is declining, so if they don’t guess right, gearing up for fastballs in what are traditionally fastball counts, they are going to take awkward swings and have virtually no shot at making, if any contact, good contact. The reverse became true: because of the backward pitching, they watched a lot of hittable pitches go by without offering, and were late on fastballs (this is to do with pitch aniticipation as well as recognition, and of course, slower batspeed). All of which was indeed not only feared, but anticipated, not only on Lohud, but in other corners. I think I mentioned to you how Francona, on one of the ESPN broadcasts, said “that may play well in the regular season, but would be tough to to live by in the playoffs” (my paraphrase).
Does it mean that the offense that managed to beat every one of Detroit’s pitchers could no longer hit them because everyone here predicted that the offense wouldn’t be there? Don’t think so. Did the inability to adjust to and recognize the pitching backwards mentioned in that article do them in? That seems to make the most sense.
Trisha, when concern about the offense was being discussed, in terms of long swings and being “fooled” on offspeed pitches, as well as the team’s lack of batspeed and its commitment to swinging from the heels (“homer happy” philosophy) and not shorten up their swings, this IS expressing concern that they had/have a propensity for an INABILITY TO ADJUST AND RECOGNIZE pitches (sorry for the upper case: I do it for emphasis, not to be oppressive/overweening). Of course it “makes the most sense” and it is that sense that pervaded this board among the many concerned about the offense. Really, there is not a single person anywhere who watches baseball more than super casually who would not understand that what was feared/anticipated was fulfilled in what actually happened. So, I still confess I have no idea how you came by a lack of connection by what happened, and by what many fans feared would happen.
So all I’m saying is that the “I knew this was going to happen” is a crock. None of you knew THAT was going to happen. Dress it up and twist it around any way you want to so that it appears that someone was onto something, I’m still not buying. Would rookie offense have picked up on the backwards pitching and made the difference? I’m not thinking the answer is a yes, so, so much for “if only we had gotten more offense.”
For some reason, you are exceedingly resistant to the idea that people’s fears here were founded. At this point, this seems more like an imaginary contest of who was right and who was wrong, than a genuine sense that there’s a big-time confirmation bias at play among some of your peers in here, soley based on some kind of ego gratification. I don’t know how anyone, other than you, is twisting anything here. Most reasonable people see what happened to us, from an offensive side, uncovered weaknesses that have been discussed here for over a year. It’s not about “more offense”, it’s about a different kind of offense. It’s about contact-oriented hitters and batspeed. “More” offense implies something gratuitous, and while that’s certainly welcome, it’s not the point being made here.
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If the Yankees were at a loss to explain what happened, I sure as hell don’t think any expert here has more of a pulse on it.
Girardi himself from the podium said “you have to make adjustments.” Like I said, there’s no great mystery about what happened. There is probably some incredulity about how thoroughly it came apart, but the end result did not sneak up on anyone. Losing four in a row, for the first time, I believe, since we got swept by the Reds in ’76, and especially considering how good the pitching was – was indeed a hyperbolic exclamation point to our demise in the postseason.
The Yankees didn’t hit. The reasons why have been suggested and good scouting on the part of the Tigers and changing around their pitching obviously threw the Yanks for a loop, and that includes the same Robby Cano that both you and I would be loathe to see go anywhere else.
No, I don’t want to see Cano go anywhere else. Cano’s similar fate against Detroit pitching was indeed a surprise, but mainly because of how spectacularly he failed in the postseason. Since January 13, speaking for myself, I have been concerned about Cano’s isolation in the Yankee lineup. When you’re virtually the only viable hitter in the middle of the order, there’s reason to be concerned. I did not see, FWIW, Cano “carrying” the offense this year once the playoffs began.
And now, I’m happy to retire the subject as well. I only asked you about it, because of your own return to the subject again and again.
#13 is Bonds….. #31… I still can’t figure out, but I know its too low on the list to be ‘Jeter’ so I’m fine with not knowing for the moment.
I finally got it….who are the blacked out names….an is this list legit? Questions
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blake, when have to ask that question, it’s probably not but assuming 30 pct of MLB players used steroids in that period. I recommend you throw a dart and just randomly pick 200 names out of the random 750 names out of the opening day roster in any given years and call it a day. my point, you will never know.
I didn’t really understand trisha’s post from last night either… It seems like now we need to be very specific about our predictions/concerns. I’ve stated before that while there was plenty of concern about the offense I don’t think anyone ever thought they’d be THAT bad. Like, embarrassingly bad.
That being said.. what was predicted was pretty simple: that they would struggle in the playoffs. They did. It doesn’t seem all that complicated to me. The definition of a one-dimensional offense, which was also debated and defined here several times, rests on the inability to adjust and manufacture runs.
..I vote we never talk about this again lol.
Ugh.. Chad..
trisha is really the lone beacon of light that protects lohud from savageries of the night.
The definition of a one-dimensional offense, which was also debated and defined here several times, rests on the inability to adjust and manufacture runs.
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I would have thought so.