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On the bright side…

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 25, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

When Joe Girardi sat down for yesterday’s press conference, his first question was big picture. Looking back, how would Girardi assess the season?

“It’s obviously short of what we set out to accomplish in spring training,” Girardi said. “But I also think this club did a lot of good things. …”

Girardi was predictably positive, which might not be spin so much as the manager’s personality. Girardi’s a glass-half-full kind of guy, and he went on to lay out some of the positives that he sees when looking back on the season. These are Girardi’s words in italics:

“A lot of injuries that we dealt with, the way people stepped up in positions and played more than we expected them to when we signed them.”

Can’t look back on the Yankees season without recognizing that they were crushed by injuries. Turns out, Dave Robertson stumbling down a single step in spring training was a warning of things to come.

Robertson, Joba Chamberlain, Michael Pineda, Brett Gardner, Mariano Rivera, CC Sabathia, Andy Pettitte, Alex Rodriguez and Mark Teixeira each missed significant time with injuries this season. That’s two setup men, a closer, three starting pitchers and three lineup regulars. Eric Chavez, Ivan Nova and Derek Jeter spent shorter stints on the DL.

How well the Yankees filled those gaps is worth some debate. Eric Chavez, David Phelps, Rafael Soriano and Ichiro Suzuki were outstanding replacements. Cory Wade, Dewayne Wise and Derek Lowe had their moments. Andruw Jones, Freddy Garcia, Casey McGehee and Steve Pearce were ultimately disappointing.

Big picture, though, Girardi’s right. The Yankees were wrecked by injuries, and in the course of a 162-game season, did a good job making up for those losses to finish with the best record in the American League.

“We had pitchers join us that weren’t in spring training with us who played significant roles. We lost starters, other people had to step up. We saw a young man like Phelpsy do a lot of different things for us over the course of the season, whether it was an inning of relief, long relief, a start. We saw a guy like Cody Eppley, who wasn’t with us in spring training. Ibanez had to play the outfield a lot more than we expected.”

It’s tied to the injuries, obviously, but several players did get far more significant playing time than expected, and that could impact the way the Yankees handle the fringes of their roster going forward.

Eduardo Nunez’s defensive short-comings opened a door for Jayson Nix, who proved far more valuable than his limited spring training exposure suggested. He’s a reliable glove at three infield positions, and he was pretty good in the outfield when the Yankees used him there. For a guy in that role, he can hit a little bit. Given Nunez’s defensive limitations and Jeter’s ankle injury, Nix might be worth keeping going forward.

The injury-shortened bullpen left opportunities for Eppley and Phelps. Eppley was an end-of-spring-training waiver claim and Phelps was the last man to make the roster out of camp, but both were trusted with big spots late in the year. Eppley is limited, sure, but he was pretty good as a sixth-inning guy who can generate a groundball. Phelps suddenly looks like a legitimate rotation candidate, somewhat – but only somewhat – easing the loss of Manny Banuelos to elbow surgery. Clay Rapada might also have earned a second season as a strictly left-on-left specialist.

Late in the year, injuries opened a little bit of playing time for Nunez’s return and Chris Dickerson’s first big league at-bats of the season. Nunez’s postseason served as a reminder that his bat is still valuable, and Dickerson built off his strong Triple-A numbers to make himself at least worth a spot in the conversation about the Yankees outfield depth next season. Based on the players currently under team control, you’d have to consider Dickerson the Yankees starting right fielder at the moment.

“I mean, there were a lot of good things that really happened this year. You end up winning more games than anyone in the American League (than) any club, so I thought we did a lot of good things. But I think we’re all disappointed we didn’t accomplish what we wanted.”

Here’s the thing about looking back with positivity: That positivity has to end at the postseason. Pitching was terrific in the playoffs, and maybe that’s worth a positive spin, but the pitching staff is also preparing to lose Andy Pettitte, Hiroki Kuroda and Rafael Soriano to free agency.

Ultimately, the postseason created very real questions about this offense, and the despite the large sample size of the regular season, the complete lack of offense in playoffs has stirred a passionate debate about whether a team built for the regular season is necessarily best suited for the postseason. Guys like Curtis Granderson, Alex Rodriguez and Robinson Cano left themselves open to severe criticism, and Nick Swisher seemed to lose his spot on some fans’ wish lists for next year.

There’s nothing wrong with looking back at the Yankees regular season and finding a list of positives — perhaps it’s part of Girardi’s job to do so, and the Yankees have to consider some of those bright spots as they move forward – but any attempt to see the positive has to end with the negative reality of October. Girardi’s right to say this club did a lot of good things, but he’s also right to say the team fell short of expectations.

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101 Responses to “On the bright side…”

  1. Doc Iac October 25th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    chad is that list Jerkface showed legit?

  2. blake October 25th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    On the bright side…..Hal made a lot of money this year

  3. Yankee Trader October 25th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    One of the key injuries was Bret Gardner going down in the middle of April. One injury not mentioned that hurt the Yankees was Nunez getting injured soon after he was sent down to the minors. The team did not utilize it’s speed, what speed it had, to help manufacture runs. Granderson rarely got on 1st and when he did rarely even attempted to steal.

    Nunez never really had the chance in the minors to play any significant tme at SS to brush up his skills there, before being called back up.

    Had he not been injured, and been given time both at SS and corner OF he might very well have come in handy to fill in at LF as a right handed bat.

  4. blake October 25th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    @BaseballAmerica: Prospects Blog: Otani, Fujinami Picked In NPB Draft: Undeterred by Shohei Otani’s public statements that he plan… http://t.co/o4YUdDWG

  5. Yankee Trader October 25th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    First round Japanese draft:

    http://yakyubaka.com/

  6. Benny Blanco October 25th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    How good could phelps be if he threw 96? What would his ceiling be?

  7. blake October 25th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Benny Blanco says:
    October 25, 2012 at 9:17 am
    How good could phelps be if he threw 96? What would his ceiling be?

    High most likely

  8. RadioKev October 25th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    I didn’t catch the game last night, but the Tigers have a huge hole to climb out of now. Bumgarner hasn’t looked too good as of late, but still, losing a Verlander start is huge swing in favor of The Giants.

    Giants are the hot team with an all around better pitching staff.

  9. Yankee Trader October 25th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    How does the pitching staff get younger if Kuroda, Pettitte, and Rivera are back, with Soriano gonne and possibly a young starter used in trade to acquire a bat?

    I actually hope that:

    Kuroda comes back rather than go back to LA. Dodgers and Angels, who he owned this year, should be interested.

    Pettitte makes up his mind early, so if the Yankees want to trade a young starter for a bat, it can be done by the winter meetings.

    Rivera comes back on a team friendly contract in his final year and Soriano opts out of a qualifying offer and signs/untucks elsewhere. I would think Boras already has his LA Angels already interested.

  10. Tackelberry October 25th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    Arod for Cliff Lee?

  11. blake October 25th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    “How does the pitching staff get younger if Kuroda, Pettitte, and Rivera are back, with Soriano gonne and possibly a young starter used in trade to acquire a bat?”

    Well Pineda is key ……

    I’m hoping they can start the year with Sabathia, Kuroda, Pettite, Hughes….. And then have a competition for the. 5th spot between nova and Phelps…..that’s assuming of course nobody is traded.

    Then Im hoping Pineda comes back an takes somebody’s job in June.

  12. blake October 25th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Tackelberry says:
    October 25, 2012 at 9:33 am
    Arod for Cliff Lee?

    Why would Philly do that? I would think that the Yanks would have to take most all of Lees money and then eat a ton if Arods before they’d consider it

  13. Yankee Trader October 25th, 2012 at 9:38 am

    ARod for Cliff Lee. Don’t think there’s a chance there. Find a bad contract to take on, when ARod finally goes to Cashman and tells him that he’s miserable in NY, and will give him a list of teams he would be willing to go to.

    Bad Contracts would be mainly:

    Carl Crawford
    Jayson Werth
    Vernon Wells-believe he’s owed 42M over next 2 years
    Alsonso Soriano-owed 18M X 2 yrs

  14. andrewmelillo October 25th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    The yankees need to get young everyone needs to be patient im sick of watching old overprice players

  15. blake October 25th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    If the Dodgers traded Crawford for Arod then they could sign Josh Hamilton and spend even more money……

    I’m not even sure that Crawford can be traded to the Yankees because of that clause in his contract …..and I’m also not sure that Crawford is a better player than Arod even now…..

  16. Yankee Trader October 25th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Blake-

    Based on the surgery that Pineda had and the likelihood that after labral shoulder surgery, a pitcher is less likely to return to form than a position player,if they can even return at all, I wouldn’t bet the farm that Pineda will help the Yankees down the road.

    Comes to ST out of shape
    Wrong way highway DUI. Luckily no-one was killed
    Needs to develop 3rd pitch.
    Unlikely to have the same dominance he had in 1st half of 2011.

    Sorry, but counting at all on Pineda for summer of 2013 doesn’t make me feel warm and fuzzy! :)

  17. Yankee Trader October 25th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    Blake-

    Bleacher report today is predicting that Hamilton will be a Tiger and Otani will be signed by the Rangers.

    Time for the Yankees to resign Kuroda and Ichiro to put the full court press on Shohei Otani and get him to NY!

  18. blake October 25th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    “Based on the surgery that Pineda had and the likelihood that after labral shoulder surgery, a pitcher is less likely to return to form than a position player,if they can even return at all, I wouldn’t bet the farm that Pineda will help the Yankees down the road.”

    I’m only hoping

  19. Yankee Trader October 25th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    Ichiro very interested in returning to Yankees
    By JOEL SHERMAN
    Last Updated: 9:37 AM, October 25, 2012
    Posted: 9:23 AM, October 25, 2012

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....nt=Yankees

  20. blake October 25th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    I don’t think Hamilton will be a Tiger but Indo think the Rangers have the inside track on Otani because of Darvish and also because they are maybe the most likely to break the rules to go after an elite talent like that…..them or the Dodgers

  21. Jerkface October 25th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    Hello bros,

    Now that Otani has been drafted by the Fighters things will get messy. Otani can still ignore the draft, tell them he wants to play in the MLB, and sign with whoever he wants. However, MLB teams generally honor a gentleman’s agreement to not interfere with the Japanese draft. What could happen though, is that Otani will end up bargaining with the Fighters & MLB teams at the same time, and I am unsure how the Fighters feel about this. It may be they drafted him simply to pursue this strategy. I do not know if they drafted him because they thought drafting him would shut out MLB for 6 months. They said they planned to draft him so they could compete for his services.

    I wonder what MLB teams will think about the ‘gentleman’s agreement’ when this is a different case as Otani has publicly stated his desire to go to the MLB. Normally it is there to stop MLB teams from wooing NPB prospects with more money, but there is never really a case of a kid truly wanting to make the jump.

  22. Jerkface October 25th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    I know the American prospect media has also been touching on Fujinami, and wondering what will happen to him, but he has expressed no desire to go to the MLB & so will not be touched. He would be a good pickup too, throws 93-94 with good control and some good offspeed stuff.

  23. Yankee Trader October 25th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Have to go now.

    Blake-By all means if you can get a pass to attend the winter meetings try and go.

    Hopefully the Giants will now sweep, so the offseason Yankee wheelings and dealings can start to formulate that much earlier. :)

    Until later.
    Have a great day.

  24. Cashmoney October 25th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    I did not watch the game last night. but I saw the chubby one deposit one in LF for his second jack. While I was watch that, a thought occurred to me, I can’t think a Yankee LH who is capable of that swing. no a single one would let the ball travel that deep… as you were back to Otani.

  25. Cashmoney October 25th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    goddammit, i want someone sexy! gimme Hamilton!

  26. Cashmoney October 25th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    btw. JF, you are free to who you engage whomever you want. but I counted it.. it took me 6 secs to scroll pass the totality of the posts of the Duh dude. that’s a lot of words.

  27. Cashmoney October 25th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    *free to engage whomever…

  28. Jerkface October 25th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    Well generally they are so crazy I just pass on by, but nothing was going last night so I had to shut down that awful trade.

  29. Cashmoney October 25th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    i hope no one gets otani since yanks are unlikely to get him.

  30. blake October 25th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    Sign Otani.

  31. Cashmoney October 25th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    I think the only way Joe stop attaching Y to every single human beings name is when his daughter finally grow up and tell him how stupid it sounds… i wonder if he address cashman as cashy…nothing to do but wait blake.

    or better yeah… ‘ Chadsey, that’s a good question, next.’

  32. blake October 25th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Otani would be very easy for Joe…..sign him

  33. Cashmoney October 25th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    better yet…can’t type this morning… 2 gold stars Blake!

  34. blake October 25th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    That’s 7 gold stars for me!

  35. tucker October 25th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    The Giants are in a mode right now where they can do no wrong. Every ball falls in, every bounce goes their way. They have their two hottest starters lined up for games 3 and 4. If the Tigers don’t win tonight, I don’t think the series comes back to SF.

    I think the Yanks series lulled the Tigers staff into a false sense of confidence. Verlander was not particularly sharp, and both Fister and Sanchez threw a lot of hittable pitches against the Yanks. If they pitch the same way against the Giants, could be an early exit for them.

  36. jacksquat October 25th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    86w183 October 25th, 2012 at 8:43 am
    Once they are drafted I believe it’s five months before they can sign with a US organization.

    I believe this agreement should not be honored since the Fighters saw fit to draft Otani anyway after he said he wants to go to MLB. It was probably done to shut out MLB teams and make Otani sweat out monetary offers from the Fighters for half a year. If I were a MLB team I would completely ignore it.

  37. Cashmoney October 25th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    Is J.Gomes a FA again. the guy gets one year deal all the time and produces more than solid numbers at dh position every year for his price tag. he is atrocious on the field and probably has a negative war every year. but good bat.

  38. blake October 25th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    The Tigers aren’t that good…… They were the 7th best team in the AL over the season….. The Yankees were just that bad in the ALCS…..

  39. DONNYBROOK October 25th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    I said when Butt Head Leland allowed Verlander to throw 132 pitches vs the Yanks in Game 3, it was a story “To be continued”. The story resumed last night and Verlander was absolutely Horrible. Pyrrhic Victories vs the Yanks are nothing new. But risking the physical health of your Ace is absolutely Reckless. There is a Cost for putting Winning above ALL else. Leland will soon be paying that piper. Unfortunately, he is taking Verlander along for the ride.

  40. tucker October 25th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    I’m just flabbergasted by all the national love that the Tigers staff is getting. It’s really not warranted for anybody who watched them pitch.

    The Giants also have a good offensive approach for the postseason. They put the ball in play and expose the Tigers poor defense. Plus Scutaro and Sandoval are swinging the bat exceptionally well right now. Once Posey starts to ( and he showed signs last night), watch out.

  41. bruceb October 25th, 2012 at 10:42 am

    Kind of weird that nearly a week after the Yankees’ exit from the playoffs, we’re still dissecting the 2012 season. I think the thing that has depressed me the most about the statements I’ve heard and read from Cashman and Girardi is an acceptance that the roster – with one or two exceptions – is going to be very much the same next year.

    I don’t know whether that’s the company line or whether they really mean it.

    We all know they are saddled with a bunch of veteran players on ridiculous contracts but what about a bit of creative thinking as to how they can add one or two guys who are more concerned about getting on base than hitting the ball out of the park?

    Re-signing Ichiro would be a good start but I’d hate to see a bench full of 40-year-olds again next year. I think most of us would rather have seen Nunez and Dickerson get playing time ahead of Jones, Pearce and McGehee.

  42. blake October 25th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    As I posted last night….I’m starting to wonder a little bit if in the age of decreased offense and homer centric offenses if the NL style of play isn’t better suited to have success now…..

    Perhaps the NL teams are just playing better baseball and the AL teams aren’t good enough offensively to cover the gap anymore?

    Obviously last night rust may have been a factor for the Tigers…..but if you’ve watched these playoffs in general the NL teams just look better an more well rounded …..the AL teams look slow an clunky and one dimensional

  43. bruceb October 25th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    The AL teams look slow an clunky and one dimensional.

    It may be stating the obvious but with the pitcher batting, NL teams have to be more creative in scoring runs via bunts and moving the runners over. I also feel they have an increased sense or urgency about taking the chances that present themselves.

    How many games did the Yanks win this year in the regular season without one big inning?

  44. blake October 25th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    “It may be stating the obvious but with the pitcher batting, NL teams have to be more creative in scoring runs via bunts and moving the runners over. I also feel they have an increased sense or urgency about taking the chances that present themselves.”

    I agree …..NL teams are better built to manufacture runs….hit behind runners ….situationally hit etc…..

  45. DONNYBROOK October 25th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    The MVP on that field last night was Posey. When he’s Cold, he is like a General ochestrating a battle from a hill top, controling the action by his mere presence. When Hot, he is in the center of the fray, his confederates looking to him for direction. He did Not hit 3 Homers last night, but one thing is certain. Whether Hot or Cold, your eye is Always drawn to this player.

  46. blake October 25th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    Hurricane Sandy is currently on track to hit NYC dead on…..hope not

  47. Against All Odds October 25th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Cashmoney October 25th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    i hope no one gets otani since yanks are unlikely to get him.

    —————————

    Which is said when you think about it. smh

  48. blake October 25th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Posey is a beast ….Id trade all the prospects for him

  49. RadioKev October 25th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    If the Yankees played anything like they did in the season i.e. not totally miserable, they could give these Giants a run for their money.

    Lay off or no lay off I don’t like this Tigers team. Bad pen, OK/semi-decent rotation (and a loss with Verlander now…) and only two guys to worry about in the line up, fluky performances aside.

  50. DONNYBROOK October 25th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    As I said before, when Jeet hangs ‘em up, Posey becomes the face of MLB.

  51. tucker October 25th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    Posey is Jeter-esque. I know pitching drives the Giants, but Posey is about the only position player starting that is left over from the 2010 team.

    The NL teams certainly look more crisp. I think in general the NL teams that made the playoffs were better than the AL playoff teams this year.

  52. Against All Odds October 25th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    sad*

  53. DONNYBROOK October 25th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    The ragged Tiger defense is NO secret. Girardi simply has No idea how to exploit this weakness. That would involve In-Game managing, which Girardi Never has mastered.

  54. tucker October 25th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    Think of the collective range on the left side of the diamond for the Tigers. Cabrera at third, Peralta at short, Delmon Young in left. That’s slow-pitch softball defense.

  55. blake October 25th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    October 25, 2012 at 11:13 am
    The ragged Tiger defense is NO secret. Girardi simply has No idea how to exploit this weakness. That would involve In-Game managing, which Girardi Never has mastered.

    Girardi didn’t have the weapons to exploit it…

  56. DONNYBROOK October 25th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    Delmon Young is morphing into his Bro\ Da Meat Hook every day. Hopefully, he dodges the diabettes. Just looking at him physically, makes that possibility improbable.

  57. JobaTipsHisCap October 25th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Yankee offense is embarrassed again by WS game 1.
    Job well done.

  58. tucker October 25th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    No, that is the advantage of contact hitters. Yanks have big hairy swing-and-missers. Can’t blame Girardi for that.

  59. blake October 25th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    Big hairy monsters make more unproductive outs against good pitching……they also make me sad

  60. blake October 25th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    @MjordanW9: Cleared by the doctor today to start running and working out.. #greattohear

    Mason williams

  61. Against All Odds October 25th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Finally some good news :)

  62. ac1 October 25th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    Apparently we can likely resign Ichiro for $5-8 M and one year? How can we not? This idea that we can’t have two non-power hitters in the OF is ridiculous. Gardner and Ichiro can both hit for fair average and get on base and steal. We NEED that in our lineup instead of waiting for everyone not names Jeter to hit a homerun…..

    I’m also still on the trade Granderson movement and move Gardner to CF (find a power left fielder)

  63. Doc Iac October 25th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    i think the real concern is how the staff at TBS is holdin up,

    in the ALCS they showed verlander every other pitch even when he wasnt in the game, they worship the man like he was a god…

    …after the beatdown the giants put on him i am worried about the well being of the staff at TBS, hopefully they are holdin up ok

  64. blake October 25th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    “I’m also still on the trade Granderson movement and move Gardner to CF (find a power left fielder)”

    Justin Upton/Hamilton, Garner , Ichiro

    Trade Granderson for Olt or Rendon….

    Sign Kuroda and Andy

    Extend Hughes

    Sign Otani

    Figure out catcher

    Figure out what to do with Cano

  65. Shame Spencer October 25th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Doc Iac October 25th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    i think the real concern is how the staff at TBS is holdin up,

    ————————

    :lol:

  66. Tackelberry October 25th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    JobaTipsHisCap October 25th, 2012 at 11:21 am
    Yankee offense is embarrassed again by WS game 1.
    Job well done
    ____________________________________________

    Geez, let it go now! Its over!! Move on!!

  67. DONNYBROOK October 25th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    You watch a game done by Costas and Katt with the MLB Network, and then watch a game done by TBS, and the contrast is embarassing. Ernie What’s his Name, had better stay attached to Barkley’s coat tails, and I can still see Jeet laying facedown, motionless in the dirt, and Darling exclaiming, “He’s OK”. And TBS and ESPN continuing to jam 3 guys in the booth is Dumb. The Monday Night Football Trio that was captioned by Cosell was unique. These 3 Blind Mice on both Networks that we are continually subjected to are the equivalent of root canel. Smoltz knows his stuff, but is akin to listening to a history Prof. He’s gotta be related to Bob Newhart. YAWN

  68. Tackelberry October 25th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    and you guys though CHip Caray was bad. Ernie Johnson is plain awful. Brian Anderson is good.

  69. blake October 25th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Ernie is the worst…. Doesn’t even sound like a professional broadcast…..

  70. Patrick October 25th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Posey is a beast ….Id trade all the prospects for him

    He’s insanely good. Second full year and already the best catcher in baseball

  71. jacksquat October 25th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    I wonder if Yu Darvish would get requests from both the Rangers and the Nippon Ham Fighters (his old team, that just chose Otani in the draft) to talk to Otani. :)

    And I wonder if Ichiro would trump Yu (they’d have to sign Ichiro first).

    Maybe they could get Ichiro and Kuroda and Matsui to all visit Otani at the same time, tell him how great it is to play for the Yankees. The kid would probably be overwhelmed. :)

  72. Shame Spencer October 25th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    blake October 25th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Posey is a beast ….Id trade all the prospects for him

    ———————-

    blake… you’d trade all the prospects..? Or you’d trade ALL the prospects?

    :D

  73. ac1 October 25th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Justin Upton/Hamilton, Garner , Ichiro

    Trade Granderson for Olt or Rendon….

    Sign Kuroda and Andy

    Extend Hughes

    Sign Otani

    Figure out catcher

    Figure out what to do with Cano

    ___

    In a perfect world this would work, though i dont really want Hamilton.

    To get Upton, we’d most likely have to trade Hughes.

    If Cano won’t except an extension, i would call the Dodgers and offer him up for Matt Kemp straight up. Dodgers need a 2B, are willing to spend like crazy and have three OFs (they can resign Victorino. Then we have Kemp/Ichiro/Gardner….

    – If Cano is traded, we have Corban Joseph or we can sign a 2b.

    Extend Hughes (3 years)

    Resign Pettitte and Kuroda, and Ichiro.

    Explore A-Rod possible trades (get creative).

  74. Jerkface October 25th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    When I was in Japan I found out one of my friends in the town i visited was on Ichiro’s baseball team in HS! They are going to have a re-union this winter. I told him that he should tell Ichiro Yankee fans appreciated him and wished he would have come over sooner :)

  75. blake October 25th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    blake… you’d trade all the prospects..? Or you’d trade ALL the prospects?

    ALL!

  76. G. Love October 25th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    blake,

    What has you so convinced Rendon is worth the trade? His draft position? It looks like AA chewed him up in his stint there and he’s an injury risk on top of that.

    He’s probably 2 years from the majors if all goes perfectly and it never goes perfectly unless your name is Trout.

  77. austinmac October 25th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    I had said a week ago I thought Ichiro could likely be re-signed for about $5M for one year. Chip suggested the Giants could be an alternative and I agree, but I do think he is very signable.

    However, if it is he, Gardner and Granderson, too lefty and no power in the corners(or at two OF spots). They need a solid RH bat in the outfield. I have an idea. How about Justin Upton? How do I come up with these thoughts?

    The Yankees were stupid to get rid of Kaat becasue he would report what he saw. I loved listening and learning when he spoke.

  78. ac1 October 25th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    However, if it is he, Gardner and Granderson, too lefty and no power in the corners(or at two OF spots). They need a solid RH bat in the outfield. I have an idea. How about Justin Upton? How do I come up with these thoughts?
    ______________

    KEMP

  79. Jerkface October 25th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    It looks like AA chewed him up in his stint there and he’s an injury risk on top of that.

    Well he did jump 4 levels in 1 very short injury marred season.

  80. blake October 25th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    “What has you so convinced Rendon is worth the trade? His draft position? It looks like AA chewed him up in his stint there and he’s an injury risk on top of that.”

    Just his upside….that deal would be a risk no doubt ….but he’s got plus defender upside at 3B and good offensive upside and the type approach we need…..he was hurt with the ankle last year but I think the shoulder stuff is behind him…..but yea he’s probably a couple years away…..making a trade for him risky

  81. blake October 25th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Rendon by most accounts could move fast if he can stay healthy because he’s pretty much ready defensively and his approach is pretty advanced at the plate

  82. austinmac October 25th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Rendon was very highly regarded before the draft. He did have an injury history in college, but when he played he was very good. I would love to have him. It is a risk, but not getting younger is not a risk but a sure way to decline.

  83. ac1 October 25th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    Just his upside….that deal would be a risk no doubt ….but he’s got plus defender upside at 3B and good offensive upside and the type approach we need…..he was hurt with the ankle last year but I think the shoulder stuff is behind him…..but yea he’s probably a couple years away…..making a trade for him risky

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    I’d rather see what David Adams can do at 3B – THIS YEAR.
    If A-Rod is still here in April, he should be the full time DH in an attempt to try to keep him fresh and healthy.

  84. Tyler October 25th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    I wonder what MLB teams will think about the ‘gentleman’s agreement’ when this is a different case as Otani has publicly stated his desire to go to the MLB. Normally it is there to stop MLB teams from wooing NPB prospects with more money, but there is never really a case of a kid truly wanting to make the jump.
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    Well we saw the Red Sox show little regard about a “gentleman’s agreement” when they got Tazawa right? I bet teams will still go after the guy since he does want to make the jump. As you said, it’s really the first time something like this has happened.

  85. austinmac October 25th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    ac1,

    Okay, I will take Kemp. Twist my arm.

  86. blake October 25th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    I would trade Cano for Kemp…..kemp is two years younger and has the type contract that you’d hope you could get with cano….I don’t think the Dodgers would do that though as Kemp is locked up and Cano is not

  87. blake October 25th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    A Gramderson/Rendon deal would depend on what you can replace Granderson with for next year……

    If you can acquire Upton or sign Hamilton an have a Upton/Hamilton, Gardner, Ichiro 2013 outfield then Id be fine taking the risk on Rendon as a recoup on prospects……

  88. Tyler October 25th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    blake October 25th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
    I would trade Cano for Kemp…..kemp is two years younger and has the type contract that you’d hope you could get with cano….I don’t think the Dodgers would do that though as Kemp is locked up and Cano is not
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    I don’t think they would either just because it would be kind of unnecessary to make that trade but it’s going to be interesting to see if Kemp eventually has to switch positions… I wonder if he can continue to stay healthy playing center or will eventually have to move to a corner where they already have Crawford and Ethier.

  89. Jerkface October 25th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    Well we saw the Red Sox show little regard about a “gentleman’s agreement” when they got Tazawa right?

    Tazawa went undrafted, as he said he wanted to play in the MLB, and then went to play in the industrial league (pro-am league). The Yankees agreed not to pursue because of their partnership with Yomiuri. The Red Sox eventually signed him out of the industrial league. So it is a bit similar and a bit different with Otani.

    In response to Tazawa the NPB passed a ruling that anyone who signs with a MLB club before playing in the NPB has to sit out 2-3 years before joining an NPB club if they wanted to. 2 years for HS players, 3 years for college/corporate team players.

  90. Against All Odds October 25th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    Shame Spencer October 25th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    blake October 25th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Posey is a beast ….Id trade all the prospects for him

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    blake… you’d trade all the prospects..? Or you’d trade ALL the prospects?

    :D

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    Exactly we must be clear and direct :)

  91. blake October 25th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Rendon is blocked at the big league level unless they move either him or Zimmerman to another position…..I guess they could move Zimm to 1B……but they have long been after a CFer and try could afford to sign Granderson…..makes some sense for both sides to me…..

  92. G. Love October 25th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    You know my feelings on Cano.

    You offer him an 8 year extension where you tear up the contract for next year so it takes him to age 38. If he passes on that, you play out the year and offer him no more than 7 years as a free agent. If he gets better than that on the open market? You have to let him walk.

    Age 38 is the most I would guarantee his contract for.

    I don’t see how you can get anything decent in a trade for him with only 1 year on his deal. Same for Grandy. Maybe you’ll get one close to top prospect in an organization.

    With Grandy, that makes sense if the plan is to sign Hamilton, Ichiro or trade for Upton.

    You take Cano out of the middle of this lineup and a middle of the order of Tex, Arod, Grandy or whoever they sign for DH/OF will be putrid and we will miss the playoffs.

    If Cano rejects an 8 year extension this off season, I’d rather let him go free agent and see what the true market is for him at age 31. The Yankees can still offer top dollar, but they should not pay him into his 40′s. He has to give a little too if he really wants to stay here.

    We let Bernie go free agent back in the day and we almost lost him to Boston, but he didn’t want to go there and the Yankees and Bernie settled their differences and he came back.

    If he’s intent on getting 10 years 220 million let him go find a sucker to give him that. If he can, we lose him. But I think most teams won’t go there with the history of big bat 2b not aging well.

    It’s a shame Cano gets lumped in with other 2b who declined early into their 30′s, but I hope the Yankees can use that legend to get him at a fair price for fair years. No NL team will pay him into his 40′s. His market is AL only for that 10 year megadeal Boras is shooting for.

  93. RadioKev October 25th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Trading Granderson really just depends on the deal. Where’s his value at? You don’t want to force him off the team. He can still be productive, and he can still work to cut down the strike outs.

  94. blake October 25th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    It’d be cool to have Rendon, Austin, Williams , Sanchez, Hearhcott , etc all in the upper levels and knocking on the door…..that’d be exciting…..and think what kind of pitchers they might could trade them all for!

  95. blake October 25th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    You offer him an 8 year extension where you tear up the contract for next year so it takes him to age 38. If he passes on that, you play out the year and offer him no more than 7 years as a free agent. If he gets better than that on the open market? You have to let him walk.”

    That’s close to how I feel

  96. RadioKev October 25th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    Man, an eight year extension would be tough. Who knows if there will even be blogs to complain about Cano’s contract in eight years.

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