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Winter begins now

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 29, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Pitching was, in fact, the key to the kingdom.

On a strength of a good, young pitching staff — and some hits when they really needed them – the Giants finished off an improbable postseason run by sweeping the Tigers in the World Series. Last night’s Game 4 finished the job, with Marco Scutaro driving in the winning run with a 10th-inning single off former Yankees lefty Phil Coke. Giants closer Sergio Romo struck out the side in the bottom of the 10th, beginning with former Yankees prospect Austin Jackson and ending with triple-crown winner Miguel Cabrera.

So, that’s it.

Baseball’s offseason officially begins today.

Players eligible to become free agents will file immediately. It shouldn’t take long for us to know whether the Yankees are picking up the options on Robinson Cano and Curtis Granderson, and whether Rafael Soriano will opt out of his current contract. By the end of the week, the Yankees will have decided whether to extend qualifying offers to Nick Swisher, Hiroki Kuroda and (probably) Soriano.

Winter came early for the Yankees, but the offseason didn’t truly begin until today.

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52 Responses to “Winter begins now”

  1. Yankee Trader October 29th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    By Ben Lindbergh | Baseball Prospectus/ESPN

    As soon as the World Series ends, eligible players will become free agents. Under the new CBA, teams can still seek draft-pick compensation for departing free agents, but the old system of classifying free agents as Type A and Type B based on past performance has been abolished. Now, a team that wants to receive a compensatory pick at the end of the first round in the following year’s amateur draft has to make a “qualifying offer”: a one-year contract equal to the average of the top 125 salaries from the previous season (in this case, $13.3 million).

    A player’s former team can continue to negotiate with him if he rejects the offer, but if he signs somewhere else, his new team will have to forfeit either a first- or second-round pick (the first 10 picks are protected). A team can’t be compensated for a free agent unless he spent the whole season on the roster, which rules out midseason trade targets like Ryan Dempster, Zack Greinke, Anibal Sanchez and Shane Victorino (not to mention the amazing Marco Scutaro).

    Qualifying offers must be extended by 5 p.m. ET on the fifth day after the World Series. Players who receive them will have until the seventh day after the Series to accept or reject. So which players are good candidates for qualifying offers, and what will their teams decide to do?

  2. Yankee Trader October 29th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    Soriano has 3 days from the end of the WS to opt out.

  3. MTU October 29th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Wrong Chad.

    It began for us here at LoHud quite some time ago.

    Get with the program.


  4. andrewmelillo October 29th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Yankees needs get rid of the old añ bring in young yankee fans need to have patience.

  5. Yankee Trader October 29th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    There are some unrestricted FA’s[no club/player options] that I’d like to see Yankee interest in

    If Cashman wants a bullpen lefty-Jeremy Affeldt. Utility infielder- righty Jeff Keppinger. 4th or 5th OF’er-righty Reed Johnson

  6. Yankee Trader October 29th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    I’ve read that the Yankees are more interested in trading to fill holes than acquiring players thru this years poor FA class.

    If that’s the case and the Yankees are pursuing a young bat to patrol a corner OF position, Cashman will need to know early if he has enough starting pitching and strength therefore to include a young pitcher if need be in a trade for a good bat.

    So Andy make a quicker decision this coming month. It would also help to know if Soriano is coming back.

  7. Yankee Trader October 29th, 2012 at 9:27 am


    Going to leave soon, so my friend, have a terrific day, stay well, and for all the LoHud Yankee fans, the Hot Stove season is here-Go team Greedy!

    Stay safe and secure if you are in Sandy’s path.


    Thanks again for wonderful reporting and posing the right questions to stimulate responses from us, yor readers.

    Until later.

  8. MTU October 29th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    Take care YT.

    You do the same.


  9. austinmac October 29th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    Good morning to everyone. We hope those in the storm path all do well with no damage. I don’t think it is an excuse not to explain to Cashman what changes need to be made. He is at home either looking at his team roster or eligible crazy women roster.

    I have ahard time getting enthused about the off season since I believe it will be one utterly filled with disappointment as the team refuses to spend. I think Blake’s team realistic is likely the result. If true, I don’t think they would make the playoffs. One year contracts will be the watchword.

    As a member of Team Greedy(also known as Team Income), I would sign Hamilton to a five year deal, essentially have his bat replace Granderson and trade Grandy for a young player(s). Then, someone like Reed Johnson(acknowledgment to YT) and Ichiro as a platoon in left.

  10. MTU October 29th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    I think AP is coming back.

    Soriano opts out.

  11. blake October 29th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    “You’re a great poster and we agree most of the time, but you need to just stop it on making a qualifying offer to Martin. No one on the planet would offer him $ 13.3 M for a single season. I wouldn’t go above $ 15 M for TWO years.”

    Think outside the box…’s possible that the Yankees could be more willing to pay him 13.3 million in 2013 than anything at all in 2014 when the rules wi have changed and the budget may be 20+ million less……again I haven’t said I WOULD offer Martin the Q offer…..I said Id consider it under certain circumstances

  12. Yankee Trader October 29th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    Still here.

    Meant to say, it would help to know if Rivera is coming back, not Soriano, as well as Pettitte, both sooner than later so that if a trade is made for a bat, you know if you can include a pitcher in a trade for one. Hope that Kuroda gives the Yankees a second chance to not only give him more run support , but to get him a ring next year.

    Until later.

  13. 86w183 October 29th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    That’s a false choice… $ 13.3 M in 2013 versus a multi-year deal.

    To me it’s a decision between a reasonable deal and saying goodbye. I cannot imagine any set of circumstances you might be considering that would make a one year, $ 13.3 M offer to Russell Martin sensible.

    Can you explain?

    Yanks can not start making trades until the decisions are made on Rivera, Soriano, Pettite, Kuroda, Swisher, Martin, Granderson and Cano.

  14. 86w183 October 29th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    heading out — be safe if you’re in the Northeast….


  15. BIG AL October 29th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    If Soriano opts out, the Yankees still need to re-sign him. Mo may or may not come back, and after missing a season, who knows how he’ll perform.

    I, like so many here, have dreams and wishes for the Yanks, but, I’m also realistic that the FO would rather pick through the dumpster for talent, than spend what it would take to re-build a tired old ship.


  16. blake October 29th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    To me it’s a decision between a reasonable deal and saying goodbye. I cannot imagine any set of circumstances you might be considering that would make a one year, $ 13.3 M offer to Russell Martin sensible.

    Can you explain?

    Yea….who’s gonna catch next year? Stewart? Somebody else? Martin did hit 21 homers and the pitchers seem to like him…..they have to have a catcher and he may be the best available…..

    Again a lot depends on his demands…..what other options they have….and just how big a deal they are making this new luxury tax cap.

    The budget is already gonna be very tight to get under in 2014…..I could see the Yanks maybe being willing to pay more in 2013 to remain flexible in 2014…..

  17. DONNYBROOK October 29th, 2012 at 10:22 am

    Love the waffling, the qualifiers, the maybes around here. With some, it Never stops. You either have an opinion on an issue\situation or you do Not.
    I thought in last night’s deciding Game 4, on that Scutaro dunker that drove in the winning run, Jackson shoulda been coming in hell bent for leather and dove head long for that ball. So what if you come up short in that situation? As an OF’er, you gotta be thinking BEFORE pitch 1 is thrown to Scurato, that Anything hit in the air, that is remotely close to you, you Gotta catch. Even if that means diving and the ball Possibly getting by you. So what if you fail to catch the ball in the air, and it gets by you? The Entire season is precariously hingeing on whether you catch that ball for an out, or you don’t. Jackson wienied out. He pulled up, let the ball fall in without a dive, and the Tigers exited the World Series with white wash all over their faces. Mental mistakes like this are absolute killers.

  18. Bo knows October 29th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    Says to me that the OPS stats (Hairy Monster) model doesn’t work well in the post season. NB Once known as the Earl Weaver model. Baseball is all about the highest losing percentage. Don’t talk to me about Stick Michaels, Earl was there sooner and bester. The latest and greatest is just recycled.

    As someone said “The HR hitters aren’t the problem, it’s the wannabe HR hitters”.

    A team composed of mostly Rob Deers is not going to be successful. Why is this big news?

  19. scuzzles October 29th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Watching the Giants sweep the Tigers, who sweeped us goes to show how pathetic this Yankees team is. Embarrassing actually. Yankees should be ashamed of themselves. Their approach at the plate is the major issue. Watching the Giants shorten up their swing at 2 strikes and get little base hits, as Scutaro did to win game 4, while we had to watch Swish, Grandy, Tex, Arod, and others swing for the fences at EVERY PITCH…makes me sick. And if Kevin Long can’t make them adjust at 2 strikes, he needs go first. Then work on getting Grandy and Arod traded for some young talent.

  20. blake October 29th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    It’s amazing how much more alive the giants looked than really any of he AL teams save the As and Orioles…..

  21. blake October 29th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    NL baseball is more fun to watch these days…….when the AL can’t hit they just look slow and plodding…..I think the last 3 years has shown a shift in which style is better suited to win games in this offensive climate….

  22. The Return of Stoneburner October 29th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    I am interested in J.P. Howell – AL East tested – lefty – had a healthy 2012 after being injured – - – -add Keppinger and Reed Johnson to a bench – Keppinger can be a DH/3B/SS – very valuable.

  23. mick October 29th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    I said Id consider it under certain circumstances
    Why not go after Pierzynski for a 2 year deal?
    Under what circumstances would Martin deserve 13.3m, which he would jump at?

  24. mick October 29th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    Scutaro is a proven winner and can play 2B-SS-3B, it’s a no brainer esp. if he wants to play here.

  25. blake October 29th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    1) cause AJ may not be available
    2) he might cost more than 2 years
    3) he’s old and 2012 was pretty much a career year

    The situation where Martin would be worth the qualifying offer is if 1) there are no other viable options 2) they believe he has multi year offers and it would take one to keep him 3) Martin wouldn’t accept a really cheap 2 year deal.

    Basically as I’ve said….I don’t want to really have Martin on the books at all beyond 2013 when the budget will be much tighter…..

  26. BIG AL October 29th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Next season, if the Yankees basically stand by the same roster, and the Blue Jays remain healthy, the O’s continue to improve, the Yankees might find themselves fighting for a WC spot, just saying, it could happen.

    Being unwilling to improve the roster last season, and take a few chances on talent that was available, young, and fairly inexpensive, the FO showed a total lack of effort to perform in a manner in which the team would be in a better position both last season, and going forward.

    There are problems with the roster, that’s for sure, but, those problems lie at the feet of the FO for signing A-Rod and others to negative contracts, not being in a position to properly evaluate the talent that was available for money only, with no loss of players, and not having the personnel in the Milb, to evaluate, teach and promote players through the system.

    I sincerely believe the NYY would be best served if the Stein Bros. would sell the team to someone like a Mark Cuban.

    George must be turning over in his grave at the manner in which his sons are conducting team business.

  27. BIG AL October 29th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Scutaro should send the Red Sox an enlarged picture of the Giants team on the field after last nights game, and say, “My sincere thanks for giving me a chance to play for a talented team, and a WS ring.”

  28. BIG AL October 29th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    blake -

    And what we got from Martin may very well be what you’ll get going forward, or worse.

    I’d rather take a 2-3 year deal on A.J. than bring back Martin at $13M +.

  29. andrewmelillo October 29th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    Can anyone tell why cashman an girardi in love with kevin long saying he is the best hitting coach in the league because the yankees hit the most hr

  30. MTU October 29th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    AJ P may have attitude but he can hit.

    And he’s left handed. Good for YS.

    Maybe the team needs a little more attitude, and a little less IBM.


  31. BIG AL October 29th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    Martin blew the 3 year deal offered him by the Yankees, now, if he thinks the team will still make that offer after the season he had, he’s nuts!

    What a world we live in when any sane baseball person would even think of offering a .200 hitting C that kind of money. Right now, I’d offer him a 1 year deal at $3M max, and I’d still consider that over-paying!

  32. Jerkface October 29th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    I’d rather take a 2-3 year deal on A.J. than bring back Martin at $13M +.

    A 2 – 3 year deal for AJ imperils their ability to get under the luxury tax threshold. Thats why a 1 year deal for Martin may be the best move. You certainly don’t want Martin on the books for more than 5 million going forward. If its 7.5+ million or more, why bother? And AJ off a career year could be getting more!

    Basically if you want to worry about catcher for 2014 in 2014 due to the crappy options available this year, you don’t want to lock up precious salary cap space on a guy you’re not thrilled with, and if you think Martin will command a multiyear deal at a salary close enough to 13.3 that he will accept (say 9-10 AAV) then you might as well offer him the qual offer.

  33. Jerkface October 29th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    Right now, I’d offer him a 1 year deal at $3M max, and I’d still consider that over-paying!

    Yea that is probably a good price for him, but he will get considerably more in free agency.

  34. BIG AL October 29th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    MTU -

    Great minds think alike, lol. :)

  35. MTU October 29th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    Big AL-

    But the pitchers like throwing to him.


  36. DONNYBROOK October 29th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    The offensive approach is dictated by the Mgr. It has absolutely Nothing to do with AL vs NL. Sure the 2012 Yanks had some 1 dimensional Magilla Gorillas on the team, but they also had Jeet, Ichiro, Gardner, (in the Playoffs), Grandy, and even Nix off the pine to utilize hit-and-runs, run-and-hits, (there is a difference), bunts\sacs, steals, etc. Girardi simply elected to go with waiting on 3 run homers, and rubber stamped that Magilla Gorilla appproach with his Popeye Speech where he said, “We are what we are”. I continue to point out that the Best inning the Yanks had in the entire Playoffs was that 9th inning vs Balt, which was blown open when the hit-and-run was used. Obviously, Girardi is like a dog chasing a car. Once he catches it, he doesn’t know what to do with it.

  37. BIG AL October 29th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    JF -

    Then let him go to FA, I for one would not give a damm.

  38. BIG AL October 29th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    MTU -

    I’m sure the pitchers like W’s even more!

  39. Jerkface October 29th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Then let him go to FA, I for one would not give a damm.

    Cool but the Yankees still need a catcher and you’d be replacing him with a just as trash option for more years & money

  40. MTU October 29th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    New thread —->

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