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Yankees early free agent expectations seem limited and familiar

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 01, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This weekend, the free agent market opens to everyone. The exclusive negotiating window closes, and players will be free to sign anywhere.

So far, though, the free agents most commonly linked to the Yankees are familiar names.

When MLB Trade Rumors ranked its Top 50 free agents and predicted a landing spot for each one, seven were predicted to sign with the Yankees. Six of those were Hiroki Kuroda, Rafael Soriano, Russell Martin, Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettitte and Eric Chavez. It’s too early to have a great feel for the market, but the early sense seems to be that the Yankees are more likely to make a major splash through trades than free agents.

Part of that based on the Yankees needs (the market offers no obvious upgrade at catcher and a lot of uncertainty on the mound), part of that is because of the market itself (the few elite players available come with some significant concerns) and part of that is because of the Yankees desire to cut payroll going forward (many of the Yankees own free agents seem like candidates for one-year deals).

But there is one execption.

The early outsider most easily linked to the Yankees is Torii Hunter. He fits the Yankees profile as a guy who takes walks and hits for power. He fills an obvious need in right field. He’s not likely to want more than a one-year or two-year deal. The Angels are reportedly unlikely to make him a qualifying offer, which means he probably won’t cost the Yankees a draft pick.

We’re only four days into the offseason, so there’s plenty of time for things to change, but for now the Yankees free agent buzz is limited and familiar.

 
 

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110 Responses to “Yankees early free agent expectations seem limited and familiar”

  1. tucker November 1st, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    Torri Hunter would be a good fit, but he would also be another indication that the Yanks are looking to significantly shake things up.

    An added bonus: Girardi would not have to add a Y to his last name.

  2. tucker November 1st, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    He would just be Torii.

  3. Irreverent Discourse November 1st, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    Another 38 year old FA? No thanks :(

  4. Jerkface November 1st, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    Hunter seems highly likely, as the Yankees continue to procrastinate on fixing the 2014 budget

  5. jacksquat November 1st, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    Hunter takes walks and hits for power? Not all that much. He hit 16 hr last year and his avg was with a very high babip.

    Melky is a better deal.

  6. Nick in SF November 1st, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Maybe Grandy is one Lasik procedure away from contending for the 2013 MVP. Go Grandy!

    An outfield of Gardy/Grandy/Ichi would have multiple dimensions, but…. I don’t know it’s kind of unsettling.

  7. Chip November 1st, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    Jerkface November 1st, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    Beltran got the Giants top pitching prospect in 2011.
    —————————–

    So because Brian Sabean made a bad trade other GMs will as well? Talk about game theory.

  8. Chip November 1st, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    ID – the Astros gave up Dotel and Buck for Beltran – a 7th inning pitcher and bad catcher. Teahan and Wood were given up by the A’s for Dotel. Beltran had nothing to do with them.

  9. Irreverent Discourse November 1st, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Chip – Except that it was a 3 team deal that wouldn’t have been done if they weren’t involved…

  10. Irreverent Discourse November 1st, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    Chip – Pretty sure he’s talking about Zach Wheeler anyway. Not the Dotel trade.

  11. Jerkface November 1st, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Buck was a top 100 prospect in baseball at the time of the trade

  12. Chip November 1st, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Irreverent Discourse November 1st, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Chip – Except that it was a 3 team deal that wouldn’t have been done if they weren’t involved
    ————————–

    Well ok then – the Royals got Teahan, Wood and Buck for Beltran – where’s the great prospect?

  13. Doc Iac November 1st, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    jacksquat November 1st, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    Hunter takes walks and hits for power? Not all that much. He hit 16 hr last year and his avg was with a very high babip.

    Melky is a better deal.

    melky is a juicer his numebrs will prolly regress back to his 09 yr, not bad, but come on nothin even close to special

  14. Jerkface November 1st, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    If you look at it, they got a top 100 prospect and an elite reliever for half a season of Beltran. They flipped the reliever for another soon to be top 100 prospect (Teahen) and a starter prospect.

    But later, an even older soon to be free agent Carlos Beltran with ‘injury problems’ or whatever you want to describe him as got traded for another top 100 prospect and the giants best pitching prospect at the time.

    So for 2 half seasons of Beltran the teams with him ended up with 3 top 100 prospects

  15. luis November 1st, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    Granderson is basically a one dimensional hitter. He no longer uses his speed and rarely goes opposite field, even though he has the tools to do so.

    I would like an outfield of Hamilton, Gardner and Melky. It has speed, power, contact and some good situational hitters.

  16. Chip November 1st, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    Irreverent Discourse November 1st, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    Chip – Pretty sure he’s talking about Zach Wheeler anyway. Not the Dotel trade
    ————————

    Right, and like I said, just because Brian Sabean made a bad trade for Beltran doesn’t necessarily mean another GM will make a bad trade for Granderson.

    The Giants thought they were one player away so they made a short sighted trade in hopes of going for the win now. Only way that would apply for a Granderson deal is if the Yankees are willing to trade him midseason to a team that feels they need an offensive boost to win a championship and the only way the Yankees consider a deal like that is if they’re out of playoff contention in late July…you see that being a likely scenario?

    Your choices are, deal him now for a little less, let him walk as a free agent or overpay to keep him.

  17. Chip November 1st, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    and the other thing you’re disregarding is the fact that Carlos Beltran, even last year, is a far superior player to Curtis Granderson.

  18. Chip November 1st, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    Curtis hits for power, he’s average in the field, has a weak throwing arm, doesn’t run anymore – mostly because he doesn’t get on base enough to do so with any efficiency and is about as good at hitting the curveball as the Cerrano character from the Major League movies.

  19. Irreverent Discourse November 1st, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    Chip – $15mil for one more year of Granderson is hardly overpaying… especially in the Yankee sense of the word. Who are you playing in the OF in 2013, I must have missed that?

    jerkface – I’m certainly not arguing that Granderson had a good year in 2012. I simply don’t believe he’s going to hit .230 again and the rest of his numbers fall into place when that happens. His increasing K rate is troubling (who’s isn’t), and I’m certainly crossing my fingers for the Lasik resolve there.

    He came here as this same flawed hitter though. It had been repeatedly argued here that he could hit 40HR as a Yankeee when he arrived. It was not argued that he would bat .300 or anywhere near it. The only thing we actually expected out of him when he was signed was an extra 20 HR’s at home, and some pretty good defense in CF… which he has done.

    I don’t see the problem. He’s living up to his end of the deal it seems.

    By moving Granderson (and/or not resigning Swisher), the Yankees are going to experience an overall decline in their outfield production at least for next season (barring some miracle bad trade by another GM).

    Adding Gardner back to the fold is nice, and I guess Ichiro can produce when he seemingly “wants to play” (always a prima donna in Seattle from what I hear). There just are not better players out there this year to fill the holes (as you and others had reminded me of previously when wanting other FA’s in previous offseasons).

    None of this means we should trade him (r anyone else for that matter) for Dan Haren.

  20. Jerkface November 1st, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    Yea Beltran is a better hitter, but Granderson is better in the field, more likely to play every day, and more importantly you’re getting him for a full season.

  21. Jerkface November 1st, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    Well I wouldn’t deal him for Haren, we can probably get Haren for Adam Warren

  22. Chip November 1st, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    Irreverent Discourse November 1st, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    Chip – $15mil for one more year of Granderson is hardly overpaying… especially in the Yankee sense of the word. Who are you playing in the OF in 2013, I must have missed that?
    —————-

    I meant keeping him beyond this year.

    As I said the options are: trade him now, let him walk as a FA, overpay to keep him.

    He’s not worth what he’s going to get as a Free Agent which is why (again) I say that the Yankees would be well off moving him for a likewise flawed player. Haren fits that bill, has a financial wash as a salary and gives the Yankees a chance to look at him and possibly sign him.

  23. Yankee Trader November 1st, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    Curtis hits for power, he’s average in the field, has a weak throwing arm, doesn’t run anymore – mostly because he doesn’t get on base enough to do so with any efficiency and is about as good at hitting the curveball as the Cerrano character from the Major League movies.
    ——————————————-
    Good synopsis Chip. This is why Cashman won’t get back much this offseason for him until he can show more improvement at bat. BTW, what ever happened with his eye exam?

  24. Jerkface November 1st, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    If they move Granderson they should be looking to get players that can contribute in 2014, not a similar 1 season problem like Haren

  25. Chip November 1st, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    Jerkface November 1st, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    Yea Beltran is a better hitter, but Granderson is better in the field, more likely to play every day, and more importantly you’re getting him for a full season.
    ——————

    Right, but teams aren’t as desperate in the winter as they are at the trade deadline. More time means they have more options. So while the Giants might have made a desperation trade for Beltran a team isn’t likely to offer up as much for Granderson in December and the Yankees aren’t a team that deals off their players for prospects during the season.

  26. Irreverent Discourse November 1st, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    Stealing bases != baserunning. You have your sets backwards.

    Without stealing, Granderson is still one of the top… 30 baserunners in the league?

    Lest we forget stealing is not actually necessary in the first place. :)

  27. Chip November 1st, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    Jerkface November 1st, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    If they move Granderson they should be looking to get players that can contribute in 2014, not a similar 1 season problem like Haren
    —————

    Why can’t Haren help in 2014? If the Yankees like what they see from him in this one year “audition” they can sign him to a new deal after the season.

  28. Yankee Trader November 1st, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Granderson would improve his BA fairly significantly if he would work on going the other way vs the shift. It’s been shown that just about every ground ball hit between 2nd and 1st is gobbled up for an out.

  29. Irreverent Discourse November 1st, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Haren can’t help period. His velocity is down and the batters are catching up to him. Add in his walk rate without elite K’s… it’s just not worth the trouble.

    You could just run Phelps out there again and get the same thing.

  30. Chip November 1st, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    ID –

    Granderson gets on base at about a 30% clip. And about 25% of that time he’s not running the bases, he’s trotting around them. At those rates his ability to go from first to third is relatively meaningless.

  31. blake November 1st, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    @YankeeSource: Torii Hunter career postseason BA: .305/.370/.489/.858 in 34 games.

    Clutchy Clutcherson!

    I like Hunter…,Im fine with signing him….but it depend on who else they put in the outfield and Im not sure Tori will take a one year deal….whereas it seems pretty clear that Ichiro would…..I guess you could sign Ichiro too but unless those two are a platoon I don’t think the outfield would be very good

  32. blake November 1st, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    November 1, 2012 at 2:37 pm
    Well I wouldn’t deal him for Haren, we can probably get Haren for Adam Warren

    I doubt it….but if they could then they should

  33. Chip November 1st, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    Irreverent Discourse November 1st, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Haren can’t help period. His velocity is down and the batters are catching up to him. Add in his walk rate without elite K’s… it’s just not worth the trouble.

    You could just run Phelps out there again and get the same thing.
    ———————-

    Just so we’re clear:

    Dan Haren has one bad year in his last four and he’s garbage but Curtis Granderson has one really good year in his last four and he’s much more valuable?

  34. DONNYBROOK November 1st, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    Beltran the 2nd half was a mess. He was consistently outta the lineup. I like Beltran, but age, and wear and tear are catching up to him. Risking $$$ via free agency to add him to the team is one thing, trading prospects for him Far different. PASS on the prospect ave of acquisition.

  35. Yankee Trader November 1st, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    JF-

    What’s the latest on Fujikawa?

  36. Irreverent Discourse November 1st, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    Chip – $15mil for a pitcher != $15mil for a CF

    Not even close.

    Haren has a physical problem. Lack of velocity and back pain.

    Granderson has a correctable problem, plate discipline.

  37. blake November 1st, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Haren is only 31….unless he’s hurt still I think it’s a pretty safe bet he’d outperform Phelps in 2013……he had a 3.58 ERA and a 1.1 WHIP in the 2 bad half last year…….

    Now if Kuroda and Andy come back then I don’t necessarily think they need him…..but he’d be a good option potentially if they traded one of their other starters

  38. blake November 1st, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    I wouldn’t trade Granderson for Haren….

  39. Yankee Trader November 1st, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    ID-

    Agree with you. There are very few pitchers I’d trade a 40 homer bat for and Haren isn’t on my list. If the Yankees get him and take his salary a prospect or two is enough.

  40. DONNYBROOK November 1st, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Would you guys prefer trading Granderson for Haren, or use Granderson inna package to get J Upton and or Headley???

  41. Irreverent Discourse November 1st, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    The Angels trying to trade Haren away makes sense. His contact %’s are rising every year, his swinging strikes are disappearing every year, his velocity is down… all of the signs necessary to “cut and run” are there.

    If the Yankees are going to trade away Granderson, it is going to get them younger and better in the long haul. Trading him for another intermediate “problem” player doesn’t get them anywhere going forward. They may as well just keep Granderson at that point and hope he doesn’t repeat 2012.

  42. blake November 1st, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    You also really can’t think about trading Granderson until you know what you are replacing him with in the lineup…..

  43. Irreverent Discourse November 1st, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    If someone will tell me that Granderson can net the Yankees Chase Headley and some pitching prospects… then I’m all for it.

    I’ve soured on JUpton, and his odd lack of constant production (or ability to stay healthy) seems to be genetic.

  44. theREALkevin November 1st, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    Congrats ID, you are the only person on this board who is a big enough jackass to be able to get into a fight with blake. Dude is like the nicest person on this blog. By the way, LOL at calling Granderson a “great”
    player. Truly hilarious.

    Nick in SF, that was classy of you to mention RIP to Pascual in the previous thread when everyone else completely ignored it. Kudos.

  45. Irreverent Discourse November 1st, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    kevin – Congrats on continuing to not be worth speaking to.

  46. Irreverent Discourse November 1st, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    Also, who is fighting? Can’t we just be having a difference of opinion? Agreeing with people is not a requirement to having a discussion. We agree on plenty of other things constantly.

    blake, do you want to hug it out buddy? :)

  47. Yankee Trader November 1st, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    Can Headley play a corner OF spot?

  48. blake November 1st, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    I save my hugs for prospects! :) (unless I want to trade them)

  49. Jerkface November 1st, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    Can Headley play a corner OF spot?

    He has played a passable but not good or above average LF. He could backup 3B/RF/1B/LF for the Yankees.

  50. DONNYBROOK November 1st, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    J Uton’s age and ceiling, continue to make him worth taking a chance on. If there were Not questions regarding him, he would not be getting dangled by Arizona. The D Backs are still stinging from Not repeating their 2011 campaign. NOW is the time to fleece this team.

  51. Dill Pickler November 1st, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    Chad: “The early outsider most easily linked to the Yankees is Torii Hunter. He fits the Yankees profile as a guy who takes walks and hits for power.”

    Do Facts matter at all anymore? Even just a little bit????

    Last season, Hunter walked 38 times. 38!!! The most he’s EVER walked in 14 seasons is 62. He’s broken the 60 barrier exactly TWICE in his career.

    Come on! What, you hear some other ill-informed, research-averse guy say that he takes walks so you just copied it verbatim without bothering to check yourself???

    Yeah, Hunter would fit perfectly with this all-or-nothing lineup. He struck out 133 times last year in 534 at-bats. Perfect!

    But hey, “he takes walks”! Right????

  52. blake November 1st, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    Yankee Trader says:
    November 1, 2012 at 3:05 pm
    Can Headley play a corner OF spot?

    He can….but he’s better at 3B

  53. Yankee Trader November 1st, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    Kyuji Fujikawa apparently contacted the Hanshin Tigers before leaving for Japan to let them know that he was taking his family on a private vacation to the US.

    “[Fujikawa] contacted a staff member. He did not mention any dates. He is on a private trip with his family. … I am sure something official will take place once he returns [to Japan],” said team president Nobuo Minami.

    Source: Sponichi 11/1/2012
    ——————————————

    Maybe he’ll visit Hal in Tampa. :)

  54. blake November 1st, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    “He has played a passable but not good or above average LF. He could backup 3B/RF/1B/LF for the Yankees.”

    So basically he’s perfect…..Gordon used to play 3B but I don’t think he was all that good there an he hasn’t played there in years

  55. Jerkface November 1st, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    Upton, Headley, Gordon, any of them, get someone.

  56. Tyler November 1st, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    I think Alex Gordon would be perfect for the Yanks… KC is going to have a log jam in the OF with Myers and could still use pitching/bullpen help even with Santana.

  57. Yankee Trader November 1st, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    Upton, Headley, Gordon, any of them, get someone.
    ———————————-
    We might have to set our sights slightly lower to trade for.

    Nats want a CF’er- some package of Gardner for Michael Morse a right handed bat who also can play 1st? Maybe?

    Alex Rios and $$$ for prospects?

    Michael Cuddyer?

  58. Irreverent Discourse November 1st, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    Seeing prospects in person is my passion.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....s-of-2012/

    Tyler Austin tops his list.

    This whole prospects series Newman is writing has been a pretty good read.

  59. Against All Odds November 1st, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Jerkface November 1st, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    Upton, Headley, Gordon, any of them, get someone.

    ———————

    Lol if Shame was here she would say get ALL of them

    #teamgreedy

  60. DONNYBROOK November 1st, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    If it’s me, I construct a package around CANO and do a Blockbuster.

  61. Irreverent Discourse November 1st, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    YT – In all of those instances I keep Granderson.

    Morse doesn’t walk at all.
    Rios has possibly the worst batting stance in all of baseball…
    and Cuddyer is just old and meh… no upside.

  62. blake November 1st, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Tyler says:
    November 1, 2012 at 3:20 pm
    I think Alex Gordon would be perfect for the Yanks… KC is going to have a log jam in the OF with Myers and could still use pitching/bullpen help even with Santana.

    I kinda wonder if the Royals have already made their pitching move though…..kinda would be Royals of them

  63. blake November 1st, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    Tyler Austin as the top corner outfield prospect in baseball…,.thats high praise and he does seem to have a high floor which is cool

    He has Sanchez as the #3 catching prospect as well

  64. DONNYBROOK November 1st, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    Love players with “high floors”.

  65. PacoDooley November 1st, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    Just say ‘no’ to Soriano unless it is on a one year deal (presumably the qualifying offer). Take the draft pick and keep the salary space open for 2014. I will be shocked if he gets a deal beyond a qualifying offer from the Yankees. This is one of the few avenues open to saving salary space for their other needs given that they have a fair number of bullpen arms already.

  66. Tyler November 1st, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    blake-

    That’s very possible, but I don’t think the Royals should refuse any potential pitching help either in the rotation or bullpen. Their rotation (even with Santana) is Santana, Chen, Hochever, Guthrie (who is a FA), Will Smith, with Danny Duffy/Jake Odorizzi as the depth. I actually don’t think their bullpen look as bad as I thought… It is the Royals though so who knows. I just really like Gordon’s contact oriented, .370 OBP approach of the past 2 years. He’s still only 28, good for another 4-5 solid years as a Yank.

  67. blake November 1st, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    Oh that’s only a list of players Newman has seen personally

  68. Yankee Trader November 1st, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    ID-

    Wouldn’t trade Granderson for Morse. It was Gardner, and I’m not sure that would be an upgrade for the Yanks.

    Josh Willingham-probably a Twin keeper.

    Was trying to bring up some oter obtainable bats that won’t cost the Yankees a boatload.

    Thoughts?

  69. Irreverent Discourse November 1st, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    blake – Yes, exactly what scouts and people making prospect lists should be writing about :)

    some around here should be woo’ing over that fact. :p

  70. blake November 1st, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    Tyler,

    Ageed….the Royals just added another #4 to go with a rotation full of #4′s……I would love Gordon but I’m not sure what they’d want or if the Yanks have what they’d want

  71. Tyler November 1st, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    Considering how some hyped Yankees prospects have developed, the description “high floor” sounds fantastic to me. If the Yanks can just be smart in these next 2-3 years, they’ll be alright with the new $189 million number. There’s talent on the farm both in guys who seem safer like Austin and toolsy guys like Gumbs. Just have to plug some holes until those guys can be ready to make an impact.

  72. 86w183 November 1st, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    KC has to do more for its pitching staff if the goal is to compete with Detroit and Chicago.

    They’ve taken on a lot of salary in the Santana trade which might make them more interested in Nova than Hughes because off the $$$$ involved.

  73. blake November 1st, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    @mlbtraderumors: Rangers Considering Zack Greinke http://t.co/MBRfzoGV #mlb

  74. Irreverent Discourse November 1st, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    YT – I’ve few ideas really… bringing back Granderson is simply the best option out there if missing the playoffs is an unacceptable outcome to 2013.

    Short of a bad GM hooking us up, I don’t see solutions out there that don’t cost almost everything that’s left in the farm.

    I think they need to get their pitching staff in order first, before they start trading for luxuries like offense.

  75. Tyler November 1st, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    blake-

    I wish that Nova had a better year or that Phelps was more proven on the big league level. I think an in-form Nova (and maybe a C+/B- level prospect) could get it done. But I don’t really know what it would take with Nova struggling (plus I’m terrible with trade scenarios). I just always look at Gordon because they are going to have a jam in the OF with Myers.

  76. Irreverent Discourse November 1st, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    Tyler – A “high floor” also goes back to what I was talking about a week or two ago.

    a high floor is what earns you mega million dollar contracts, not a high ceiling. :)

  77. DONNYBROOK November 1st, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    Playing “the chalk” is safe, but your Not gonna win a Championship that way. You gotta Not be afraid to fail. You get thrown out going 1st to 3rd, you just dust yourself off, and have a go at it again at the Very next opportunity.

  78. blake November 1st, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    I would definitely shop Nova to KC for Gordon…..heck Id probably give nova and Phelps if they’d do that

  79. Madrugador November 1st, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    Given Nova’s forearm strain issue in the playoffs in 2011, and his stint on the DL due to shoulder issue in 2012 and his ineffectiveness for much of 2012, other teams have to wonder what they are getting if they receive him in a trade. Nova was a rule 5 return meaning someone liked him enough to pick him but them got a bad taste in their mouth and spit him back?

  80. Tyler November 1st, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    Madrugador November 1st, 2012 at 3:46 pm
    Given Nova’s forearm strain issue in the playoffs in 2011, and his stint on the DL due to shoulder issue in 2012 and his ineffectiveness for much of 2012, other teams have to wonder what they are getting if they receive him in a trade. Nova was a rule 5 return meaning someone liked him enough to pick him but them got a bad taste in their mouth and spit him back?
    ————————————————————–

    Nova, when healthy and correct in mechanics, can be a very good pitcher. It took him a while to figure it out in the minors (every report raved about his stuff but his results were rather poor) which led him to go unprotected….the Padres took him but they didn’t believe that he was worth keeping on a big league roster all season at that point. That’s when he turned it around on the Yanks. He has some question marks after last year which hurts his trade value (in my opinion) but he’s a 25 year old starter who proved in 2011 that he could be very effective in the AL East. The guy has value.

  81. yankee21 November 1st, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    blake

    KC desperately needs an experienced #1 or #2 pitcher to lead their young staff and help this team get over the hump. The only team that I can think of that has these potentially available is PHI (Halladay) and TB (Shields). I do not know if Doc has a NTC but I’m almost certain Shields does not. The problem with both of these guys is they are probably nearing FA. So how much would KC fork over in a trade to land them knowing full well the deck is stacked against them on their ability to re-sign.

    OTOH, they might just go for it and make a blow away offer to lure back Grienke.

    KC will need to get creative. Maybe they can pry a Jordan Zimmerman type away from WAS in exchange for Hosmer or Myer.

  82. Tyler November 1st, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    ID-

    Yep, a “high floor” seems great to me. It’s always fun to follow the “high ceiling”, toolsy guys like Angelo Gumbs but I would just love to see the farm produce some at the big league level in the next couple years. It’s pretty amazing that the only rookie to get an at bat this year was Melky Mesa (with 1).

  83. DONNYBROOK November 1st, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    I’d save Nova\Phelps\Hughes, any 2 needed, to go inna blockbuster with Cano and Grandy + Bushers for J Upton and Headley.

  84. DONNYBROOK November 1st, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    Maybe Nunez.

  85. blake November 1st, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    “KC desperately needs an experienced #1 or #2 pitcher to lead their young staff and help this team get over the hump”

    I agree….ironically they kinda had one in Grienke

  86. jacksquat November 1st, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Why can’t we read “Yankees considering Zack Greinke”?

  87. Tyler November 1st, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Yanks aren’t going to go anywhere near Greinke. Don’t want him in big market and for the money he will get.

  88. Jerkface November 1st, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    The Yankees are considering an outfield switch that would see Brett Gardner in center, with Granderson moving to a corner spot, sources say. While they believe they have two capable center fielders, Gardner is clearly the better defensive player.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/b.....dner-in-cf

  89. blake November 1st, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    “Why can’t we read “Yankees considering Zack Greinke”?”

    Because Sweaty Freddy isn’t locked up yet

  90. roidger November 1st, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Nick, can i ask you a favor? I intend to reciprocate w something I think would be of interest to you. -cr

  91. jacksquat November 1st, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Jerkface November 1st, 2012 at 4:25 pm
    The Yankees are considering an outfield switch that would see Brett Gardner in center, with Granderson moving to a corner spot, sources say. While they believe they have two capable center fielders, Gardner is clearly the better defensive player.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/b…..dner-in-cf

    Good news.

  92. Run it Out November 1st, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Cano and Hughes have 2 major warts in the trade market. FA at the end of next year. The Yankees may want to extend Hughes to a somewhat favorable deal then trade him but as it sits right now who would give you a quality player (Gordon) for one year of service?

  93. Against All Odds November 1st, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    jacksquat November 1st, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Why can’t we read “Yankees considering Zack Greinke”?

    ——————–

    When he was on the trading block as a Royal, they sat down and talked to him and didn’t like what they heard according to some reports.

  94. jacksquat November 1st, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    Now put Melky in RF and Big Hairy at DH.

  95. jacksquat November 1st, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Against All Odds November 1st, 2012 at 4:31 pm
    jacksquat November 1st, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Why can’t we read “Yankees considering Zack Greinke”?

    ——————–

    When he was on the trading block as a Royal, they sat down and talked to him and didn’t like what they heard according to some reports.

    I didn’t hear about any sit down conversation, but I heard they didn’t think he could play in NY. Not sure if that was based on anything, his condition is for personal interaction, not pitching on a mound in a stadium.

    The 2014 rotation right now is CC – Pineda – Nova – Phelps – ? I’d like to have the 1-2 nailed down. They can make the money work.

    Very unlikely though.

  96. Madrugador November 1st, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    Pineda still iffy for ever pitching in MLB. Labrum tears are not rotator cuffs. Yes, Schilling had a labrum tear but he worked really hard to get back and that is what it takes to get back, hard work. With the DUI, does Pineda have the same work ethic to return to major league pitching?
    We’ll see.

  97. Nick in SF November 1st, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    “The Yankees are considering an outfield switch that would see Brett Gardner in center, with Granderson moving to a corner spot, sources say. While they believe they have two capable center fielders, Gardner is clearly the better defensive player.”

    That will be a big boost to our offense too. We’ll finally be getting good power numbers from LF, while Gardner’s overall line will be fine for CF. Nice!

    roidger, you can ask and then I will decide if I will comply.

  98. Nick in SF November 1st, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    If your request is that I post pictures from the World Series parade yesterday, it will take some time but I’ll consider it.

  99. blake November 1st, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    jacksquat says:
    November 1, 2012 at 4:32 pm
    Now put Melky in RF and Big Hairy at DH.

    Jeter SS
    Melky RF
    Cano 2B
    Tex 1B
    Ortiz DH
    Arod 3B
    Granderson LF
    Martin C
    Gardner CF

    Not a bad lineup

  100. jacksquat November 1st, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Here are 2014 free agent starting pitchers:

    Bronson Arroyo (37)
    Nick Blackburn (32) – $8MM club option
    Dallas Braden (30)
    A.J. Burnett (37)
    Chris Capuano (35) – $8MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
    Chris Carpenter (39)
    Bruce Chen (37)
    Jorge De La Rosa (33)
    R.A. Dickey (39)
    Gavin Floyd (31)
    Matt Garza (30)
    Roy Halladay (37) – $20MM vesting option
    Jason Hammel (31)
    Aaron Harang (36) – $7MM+ mutual option with a $2MM buyout
    Tim Hudson (38)
    Phil Hughes (28)
    Ubaldo Jimenez (30) – may void $8MM option for 2014
    Josh Johnson (30)
    Jair Jurrjens (28)
    Jeff Karstens (31)
    John Lannan (29)
    Jon Lester (30) – $13MM club option with a $250K buyout
    Colby Lewis (34)
    Ted Lilly (38)
    Tim Lincecum (30)
    Paul Maholm (32)
    Ricky Nolasco (31)
    Mike Pelfrey (30)
    Wandy Rodriguez (35) – $13MM club option with a $2.5MM buyout
    Ervin Santana (31)
    Johan Santana (34) – $25MM club option with a $5.5MM buyout
    James Shields (32) – $12MM club option with a $1MM buyout
    Kevin Slowey (30)
    Jason Vargas (31)
    Edinson Volquez (30)
    Tsuyoshi Wada (33) – $5MM club option
    Barry Zito (36) – $18MM vesting option with a $7MM buyout

    Anyone see anything they like there as a #2 (besides Lester and Shields who will have their options picked up if they are pitching well) ?

  101. blake November 1st, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    Johnson has great upside but he’s made of glass

  102. Against All Odds November 1st, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    jacksquat November 1st, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    I didn’t hear about any sit down conversation

    —————————

    Though he knew he wanted out of Kansas City, which has a promising future but looks like it will have a brutal present, Greinke wasn’t sure where he wanted to be. He told friends he didn’t think he could play in Boston or New York. But when he and Yankees general manager Brian Cashman met clandestinely in Orlando (Greinke’s hometown) at an off-site location during the winter meetings, Greinke’s desperation not to endure yet another losing season in Kansas City was such that he is said to have tried to convince Cashman that he wanted to come to New York. And that he could actually thrive in New York.

    However, people who were briefed on that meeting said Cashman ultimately decided that Greinke’s first thought about New York was probably correct — that it wasn’t the best spot for him. Greinke told people the day he accepted his Cy Young Award in New York City that he didn’t think he could ever live in New York, and kept telling friends the same. But as the days dwindled this winter, he made his surprise plea to Cashman to make him a Yankee.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

  103. jacksquat November 1st, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    The guy wanted to be a Yankee. He doesn’t have to live right in the city.

  104. jacksquat November 1st, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    Yeah, I was thinking Johnson too, but he wasn’t as good this year as previous years. Don’t know what to think of Lincecum at this point. Not very much exciting there.

  105. BIG AL November 1st, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    More dumpster diving by the FO.

    I for one am sick of this team not willing to fix the known problems, get younger, and think of the future, not just today.

    I’ll say this, I love the Yankees, but, if the FO takes the same path as last season, I’m not going to spend one dime supporting them, the owner’s are rich enough, but tight when it comes to getting real solutions, rather than cheap bandaids.

  106. ron November 1st, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    With granderson moving to a corner,and gardner in cf,all you are doing is shifting players around,and still have the same offense.
    It will depend on who is at the other corner.
    I think this could be the perfect time to trade cano,and granderson,and replace the offense with melky,and hamilton,or ortiz,but no more than 4 years for hamilton,2 for ortiz.
    Then look,and see if nova,nunez,and maybe someone else gets you headley.

  107. Against All Odds November 1st, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    will depend on who is at the other corner.

    —————–

    It will probably be Ichiro

  108. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    WORLD SERIES

  109. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 2nd, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    WORLD SERIES

  110. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 2nd, 2012 at 9:50 pm

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