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Notes and links at the end of the week

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 02, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Just a few random things bouncing around out there…

• Jon Heyman reported that the Yankees were never involved in talks for Dan Haren. It was well known that the Angels wanted to trade Haren before having to decide on his 2013 option.

• Interesting note from Danny Knobler, who says the Yankees are considering moving Brett Gardner to center field next year and shifting Curtis Granderson to left. The Yankees toyed with Granderson in left field during his first spring with the team, but they ultimately kept Granderson where he was most familiar and put Gardner in the spot where he was most easily platooned. However, in the past year or two, Granderson’s defense seems to have slipped while Gardner is widely considered one of the best defensive outfielders in the game.

• More shakeup in the Yankees minor league pitching instructors. Nardi Contreras has been reassigned within the organization and Gil Patterson has replaced him as the minor league pitching coordinator. Late in the season, the Yankees got rid of Billy Connors, a longtime minor league pitching guru in the organization.

• Heyman points out that, given the thin market for everyday catchers, Russell Martin could be one of the top targets despite his disappointing batting average. Supply and demand means his value might not have dipped.

• One notable non-Yankees decision today: The Angels elected not to make a qualifying offer to Torii Hunter, who now hits the free agent market with no draft-pick compensation attached. Could make him an even better fit for the Yankees.

• Ken Rosenthal expects free agent spending to be fairly intense this winter, and he thinks that spending could begin earlier than usual because the landscape is much clearer under the new rules. “… based on prior history, the mediocre quality of the free-agent class is unlikely to deter clubs from spending lavishly,” Rosenthal wrote.

• Major League Baseball and the Players Association announced that they are together donating $1 million to the American Red Cross, the Salvation Army and Feeding America to assist emergency relief efforts after Sandy.

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  1. jacksquat November 2nd, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    8:29pm: The two sides haven’t agreed to a trade, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter). The Cubs did ask Marmol if he would waive his no-trade clause to go to the Halos, but the Angels are still speaking with other clubs (Twitter link).
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....6yibfqf.99

    Somebody jumped the gun.

  2. austinmac November 2nd, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    The Rangers are still looking for left handed power now that Ortiz re-signed with the Sox. Now is the time to urge Blake’s Grandy for Olt trade.

  3. Jerkface November 2nd, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    If that Marmol trade is true its high way robbery. Haren+Cash for Marmol??? Haren straight up for Marmol is already a bad trade. The angels suck so bad at general roster business & trades thank god.

  4. jacksquat November 2nd, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    Haren straight for Marmol would mean 6.3 mil for Marmol.

    He does have closing experience, but that walk rate is scary.

  5. blake November 2nd, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Maybe Dipoto backed off after he remembered how bad Carlos marmol is

  6. blake November 2nd, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    “Now is the time to urge Blake’s Grandy for Olt trade.”

    I think it was technically JFs trade….I just consigned my approval

  7. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 2nd, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    Really can’t think about baseball in light of Sandy (I tend to roll that way when there are catastrophic events, especially those that are close to home/involve the east coast.)

    But in fairness I will post the final two charts, one being the WS chart, the other being the final points chart. Congrats to bruceb. I will send an email to Chad and ask him to pass it along to bruceb so that he can collect the prediction prize of 5 Ritter Sports Bars, flavors of his choice.

    WORLD SERIES

  8. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 2nd, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    POSTSEASON POINTS

  9. Jerkface November 2nd, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Haren straight for Marmol would mean 6.3 mil for Marmol.

    Marmol makes 9.8 million. Haren costs 15.5. So its Marmol&5.7 million savings for Haren, but at that price you’re probably better off just paying the extra 5.7 million for Haren. You’re losing 150+ innings of a potentially quality starter for your pitchers park for 5.7 million in savings? Doesn’t make sense.

    It would make more sense to save like… all of the money… or to only pay the buy out amount

  10. austinmac November 2nd, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    Hang in their Trisha. These are dark days for many. Remember, we will always have baseball to argue about. :)

  11. jacksquat November 2nd, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    JF, I meant instead of losing 3.5 buying out Haren (which they would have done), it’s 9.9 (Marmol’s 2013 salary) – 3.5 (what they didn’t have to spend) = 6.3.

    I don’t think the Angels were ever going to pay 15.5 for Haren. Although I don’t understand why the Cubs would either, so some part of this deal does not make sense, as it looks now.

  12. tucker November 2nd, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    ” Major League Baseball and the Players Association announced that they are together donating $1 million to the American Red Cross, the Salvation Army and Feeding America to assist emergency relief efforts after Sandy.”

    Forgot the part about Bud Selig docking 40 percent of that donation because it will benefit fans of big-market teams.

  13. jacksquat November 2nd, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    I guess from the Cubs’ perspective, 15.5 for Haren is less of an overpay than 9.8 for Marmol.

  14. austinmac November 2nd, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    The most optimistic thing I have seen lately are the replacement of the minor league pitcher development guys. Hopefully this reflects a larger view of acknowledgement of weaknesses and an effort to fix them.

  15. Triple Short of a Cycle November 2nd, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    I know its only one game but the Knicks look real good out there. They look like a totally different team

  16. jacksquat November 2nd, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    9:27pm: Marmol would have approved a trade to the Angels, but the Cubs pulled the deal off of the table, a source tells Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter). The Angels are still talking with other clubs about Haren as they close in on the 11pm CST deadline to exercise his $15.5MM option.

    9:20pm: The trade will not take place, a Cubs source tells Carrie Muskat of MLB.com (via Twitter).

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....dtm3wCg.99

    This is like a little soap opera.

  17. blake November 2nd, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS: source now says haren-marmol deal is off now. #cubs #angels

  18. Against All Odds November 2nd, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    @ Austin that’s probably the best news since the season ended. It was long overdue but it finally happened. Is there are certain philosophy that Patterson has when it comes to young pitchers?

  19. blake November 2nd, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS: #angels gm jerry dipoto has until 12 edt to trade haren. if no trade forthocming, must decide on $15.5M option at 12.

  20. tucker November 2nd, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    Yanks should offer Ramiro Pena for Haren.

  21. blake November 2nd, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    tucker says:
    November 2, 2012 at 10:42 pm
    Yanks should offer Ramiro Pena for Haren.

    Id offer Joba for him if the meds checked out probably…..

  22. blake November 2nd, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    @jnorris427: BA’s Top 10 #Yankees prospects are: Williams, Heathcott, Sanchez, Austin, Campos, Marshall, Gumbs, Banuelos, Hensley, DePaula.

    I posted this a few days ago but here’s what it is

  23. blake November 2nd, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    @jnorris427: BA grades Williams’ tools: Batting 60, Power 60, Speed 70, Defense 70, Arm 50. #Yankees

  24. jacksquat November 2nd, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    9:39pm: The Red Sox were said to also have interest in Haren but it doesn’t appear that they will trade for him either, tweets Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com. Meanwhile, a source tells Bruce Levine of ESPNChicago.com (via Twitter) that the deal is not necessarily dead but is unlikely at this point.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#r6pttbII2IjXjEOv.99

    Scary medicals?

    Maybe the Angels should just eat the 3.5.

  25. tucker November 2nd, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    Blake, are those top 10 prospects in order? If so, Heathcott took a nice jump.

  26. blake November 2nd, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    tucker says:
    November 2, 2012 at 11:03 pm
    Blake, are those top 10 prospects in order? If so, Heathcott took a nice jump.

    Yea they are

  27. CompassRosy November 2nd, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    Shannon Drayer @shannondrayer
    #Mariners have just announced they have extended the contract of Iwakuma thru ’14 with an option for ’15.

  28. UnKnown November 2nd, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    Who was the source that initially said the Marmol/Haren trade was happening? Was it Heyman…

  29. Triple Short of a Cycle November 2nd, 2012 at 11:18 pm

    I thought Heathcott was off the radar? Isn’t he perpetually injured? How does he move ahead of Sanchez?

  30. Jerkface November 2nd, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    I thought Heathcott was off the radar? Isn’t he perpetually injured? How does he move ahead of Sanchez?

    Because he kicked ass this year, while Sanchez ‘struggled’ (Had a good year overall, but didn’t break out like Montero did in A ball)

  31. tucker November 2nd, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    Heathcott has looked great in the Arizona fall league. He started the year injured, but he regained his health and had a nice year in the minors.

    The guy is a linebacker playing centerfield. Lot Of fun to watch. O-Neil-esque intensity, just hope he stays clean.

  32. Cashmoney November 2nd, 2012 at 11:44 pm

    here a thought… there is bunch of nobody out there in the catching market… and martin might a notch above the bad and the ugly, so the logic is to target him as priority? fallacy in logic. because something marginally slight below what martin is might cost you a fraction of martin might cost you. and it’s not sound logic to evaluate what to give a to player.

  33. Eroc November 3rd, 2012 at 12:19 am

    Ken_Rosenthal
    #Angels decline Haren’s option. He is now a free agent

  34. CompassRosy November 3rd, 2012 at 12:38 am

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS
    iwakuma gets $14M for 2 yrs. $6.5M in ’13, $6.5M in ’14, $1M buyout on $7M ’15 option, $1.1M in pbs. arn deal. #mariners

  35. Irreverent Discourse November 3rd, 2012 at 1:01 am

    Haren’s medical records must be garbage if they declined his option.

  36. tucker November 3rd, 2012 at 1:13 am

    There must be something the general public does not know about Haren. Despite a hiccup last year, he has been a heckuva pitcher.

  37. UnKnown November 3rd, 2012 at 1:16 am

    So it was probably Theo and Cubs who backed out of the trade. Sounds like getting Marmol would’ve actually been pretty good for the Angels. Now they get nothing.

    Free up some money and that’s it.

  38. blake November 3rd, 2012 at 6:48 am

    Irreverent Discourse says:
    November 3, 2012 at 1:01 am
    Haren’s medical records must be garbage if they declined his option.

    It is curious for a club that just dropped 275 million or whatever on Pujols to decline a one year option for a pitcher that’s been pretty good in his career…….and that they couldn’t find a trade partner….

    Id still have interest in him for the right price

  39. RadioKev November 3rd, 2012 at 7:05 am

    Maybe the Cubs realized for the Angels it was them or nothing. The Angels have declined Haren’s option, and now he’ll come cheaper to teams without costing anything in a trade.

    That or he has some troubling medicals.

    Those are my guesses. Very strange that his market value is this low.

  40. RadioKev November 3rd, 2012 at 7:07 am

    blake November 2nd, 2012 at 10:49 pm
    @jnorris427: BA’s Top 10 #Yankees prospects are: Williams, Heathcott, Sanchez, Austin, Campos, Marshall, Gumbs, Banuelos, Hensley, DePaula.

    I posted this a few days ago but here’s what it is
    ——————–

    Hey Blake,

    Interesting that BA ranked Sanchez ahead of Austin. Or Heathcott for that matter. Maybe they just have that better prospect “pedigree.”

    I know the surgery has knocked Banuelos’ prospect status, but I’d still bet on him before Campos or Marshall…

  41. jacksquat November 3rd, 2012 at 7:07 am

    I’m assuming the Yanks just want to go with CC – Kuroda – Pettitte – Hughes – Nova (Phelps long man).

  42. jacksquat November 3rd, 2012 at 7:13 am

    RadioKev November 3rd, 2012 at 7:07 am
    blake November 2nd, 2012 at 10:49 pm
    @jnorris427: BA’s Top 10 #Yankees prospects are: Williams, Heathcott, Sanchez, Austin, Campos, Marshall, Gumbs, Banuelos, Hensley, DePaula.

    I posted this a few days ago but here’s what it is
    ——————–

    Hey Blake,

    Interesting that BA ranked Sanchez ahead of Austin. Or Heathcott for that matter. Maybe they just have that better prospect “pedigree.”

    Heathcott and Sanchez play more premium positions (CF & C), while Austin plays RF, that’s probably why.

  43. RadioKev November 3rd, 2012 at 7:15 am

    Eh, maybe. I know they say Austin isn’t great in the field, I think that would count against him, but he tore up three levels last season. He could be knocking on the door this season.

  44. blake November 3rd, 2012 at 7:22 am

    I think Hearhcott has really opened some eyes since he’s been healthy….. Scouts seem to love tr way he playa

  45. RadioKev November 3rd, 2012 at 8:18 am

    What do we think, does the farm look stronger or weaker compared to this time last year?

    No Montero, Banuelos down with TJ, and Betances’ implosion.

    vs

    Larger crop of talent in the lower levels, and some role-player type prospects in the upper levels?

  46. MTU November 3rd, 2012 at 8:33 am

    Much like the farm was loaded with good young Pitching prospects a few years ago it is now loaded w OF guys.

    Williams, Heatchcott, Austin, Santana, Flores, Almonte.

    Flores doesn’t get the play some of the others do but YF has seen him
    many times and says he’s really good.

    He flies under the radar.

    ;)

  47. Triple Short of a Cycle November 3rd, 2012 at 8:40 am

    Much like the farm was loaded with good young Pitching prospects a few years ago it is now loaded w OF guys

    ———————————-

    Hopefully the results will be different

  48. Yankee Trader November 3rd, 2012 at 8:42 am

    Good morning-

    Hey, what about Cuban outfielder Adonis Garcia, signed after the A’s took Cespedes, to show that the Yankees too, were players in the Cuban market! :)

    http://www.baseball-reference......rcia004ado

  49. MTU November 3rd, 2012 at 8:43 am

    They usually are for position guys as opposed to arms.

    I try to keep prospects in perspective.

    Most are destined to either be traded or not make it to the majors.

    Key is to know which ones are worth keeping and devloping.

  50. Yankee Trader November 3rd, 2012 at 8:51 am

    Changing the subject for a moment. If Soriano signs elsewhere by next Friday and Rivera retires, plus Fujikawa becomes a Dodger, what will be the makeup of the Yankees bullpen?

    Closer
    Set-up
    Long man
    2 left relievers
    one, or two other bullpen arm/arms

    If you aren’t using DRob as closer, which FA do you sign?

    If you don’t want a pure LOOGY, which FA lefty reliever do you sign?

  51. MTU November 3rd, 2012 at 8:52 am

    YT-

    Aardsma has experience as a closer.

  52. rl1856 November 3rd, 2012 at 8:52 am

    Changing the subject slightly… Torii Hunter worries me. He will be 38 in the middle of next season, his numbers have trended downward and he will command a big contract. Will he be better than Swisher? Maybe. Will he cost more? Probably. Essentially he will replace Swisher in the OF so how will he compare? Better defense, better BA, worse power and OBP, older and more costly. For a team that wants to get younger, why pay FA money for an 38yr old player ? OF would be Granderson, Gardner, Hunter, with Ichiro as 4th OF.

  53. Tar November 3rd, 2012 at 8:53 am

    I am hoping for a Japanese off-season. Kuroda-san, Suzuki-san and Otani-kun (?).

    Speaking of which it looks like the Ham fighters are still putting on the hard sell.

    “The two presented Otani a baseball with a message from Hideki Kuriyama: To Otani-kun, Your dreams will come true. Together, let us create an Otani path no one else has ever walked. To his parents, they provided pamphlet with information on their player development program. They also spent some time outlining the finer points.
    The Fighters are already thinking ahead. They may have Hideki Kuriyama join one of their next meetings with Otani. They may also prepare the number eleven.
    Source: Sanspo 11/3/2012″

    Cash send in Godzilla, Kuroda and Suzuki asap. Have them present a ball from Jeter :D

  54. MTU November 3rd, 2012 at 8:53 am

    YT-

    Cabral is getting another shot.

    Affeldt might be an interesting target.

  55. Duh Innings II November 3rd, 2012 at 8:54 am

    BIG SPENDERS THE YANKEES ARE!

    Half a mil to Hurricane Sandy??? That’s it????????

    FUC KING CHEAPSKATES!

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=nyy

    They, a business worth at least high nine figures if not a billion dollars or more, donated MID-SIX FIGURES to the worst natural disaster in NY/NJ/CT Tri-State Area history.

    Ridiculous they will pay more for a year of David Aardsma if he makes incentive money as his base salary for 2013 is half a mil.

    They’re not getting a dime from me next season until they up their donation and I don’t wanna hear “The Steinbrenners privately donate money”. When you make a donation as the New York Yankees, you cut a check for a BARE MINIMUM of $1M especially when it cost you ZERO NADA NOTHING $0 for your new ballpark.

    PATHETIC that Dwayne Wade A MEMBER OF THE MIAMI HEAT donated more than the Yanks (his earnings for the Heat at Knicks season opener.) PROPS TO WADE!

  56. MTU November 3rd, 2012 at 8:57 am

    If the Yankees backfill Swisher w Hunter it will show they are in stopgap mode.

    I think they should aim higher and hope they will.

    It’s likely they’ll have the pieces to make a significant trade for a dynamic young OF’er.

    Will they do that ?

    Hard to say. I think the odds are against it.

    :(

  57. MTU November 3rd, 2012 at 9:02 am

    New thread —->

  58. Triple Short of a Cycle November 3rd, 2012 at 9:04 am

    BIG SPENDERS THE YANKEES ARE!

    Half a mil to Hurricane Sandy??? That’s it????????

    FUC KING CHEAPSKATES!

    ——————————-

    How much did you donate?

  59. Yankee Trader November 3rd, 2012 at 9:09 am

    OF would be Granderson, Gardner, Hunter, with Ichiro as 4th OF.
    ————————————-
    I don’t think Ichiro will sign unless he is a regular, unless those 4 alternate most days at OF and DH.

    There are some positives to signing Hunter, basing only on last seasons performance:
    Hit righties[.303] and lefties [.340]
    had 14 outfield assists
    OB% .365-would have been 2nd on Yankees after Cano[.379]
    Drove in 92 runs.
    When I looked at his hit[spray] chart he hits to all fields

    However was this past season an outlier from his last 2 seasons before 2012? He struck out 133 times in 534 AB’s

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