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Rothschild on Pineda, Rivera, Sabathia, Kuroda and Pettitte

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 02, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Earlier today, Yankees pitching coach Larry Rothschild appeared on MLB Network Radio with hosts Jim Duquette and Jeff Joyce. These are Rothschild’s comments, as passed along by the folks at Sirius/XM:

On Michael Pineda
“With elbows it is a lot more predictable and you can expect. With shoulders, really, I think you take him off the radar screen, bring him back as the injury allows. But I don’t think we can count on him for next year at all. And hopefully he comes back and it’s a great addition, but if you count on him and think he’s going to be back by a certain point, you have a pretty high percentage of being disappointed with that. So I think you’re better off just approaching it that he’s not going to be back next year. And if things go right — and he certainly could come back and be able to pitch, I wouldn’t doubt that at all — but for us to count on him, I think, would be a mistake.”

On Mariano Rivera
“At the very end of the season I didn’t even think about it. I thought for sure he’s coming back because of the rehab he’s done and everything he’s done leading up right until the very end of the season. Really, when I got home, I heard that now there’s talk that he may not come back and may retire. But I don’t know. I would bet anything that he’s coming back, but I have not talked to him. I’ve kind of left him on his own because I think it’s a decision he has to make. I will probably talk to him in the next week or 10 days or so. But there are no parameters. Cash will handle that part of it as far as when he’s going to come back, when the decision is made if he’s not, and we’ll go from there.”

On CC Sabathia
“Joe and I talked about (lightening Sabathia’s workload) even going back to last year. This year we talked about it even more. Not only lightening the load but the pitch total during the game, because he’s a guy that almost thrives on working the pitch totals, and when he doesn’t have them, it has an effect leading into the next start. Unlike a lot of guys where if they get a little more rest they’re more effective, he works more and throws more pitches he seems to get on rolls a lot quicker. And what happened, I think, part of this year is he didn’t do it. We didn’t let him get to that point, and then with the groin at one point and the elbow at the other, we just never got to that point until towards the end and then he got on another roll when he did throw the pitches. So it’s kind of a Catch-22 with him. We do have to watch it, and we’re going to probably have to watch a few guys on this staff. We’re aware of it and back off. When he had a chance to pitch with extra rest we did that. In the past he would pitch on the fifth day almost all the time.”

On Hiroki Kuroda
“I think there’s a high percentage chance that if he plays in the States, he plays with the Yankees. I think he enjoyed the experience. I think his decision, to some degree, is going to be: Is this the year for him to go back to Japan? He feels like he has a debt to the team in Japan that he played for, that he would like to pitch, I think, another year for them before he retires. Whenever that comes about, I think when he thinks he’s ready to do that that’s what he’s going to do. And if he’s not, then I think we have a good chance to re-sign him and he’ll play for us or, you know, possibly the Dodgers. I don’t know. But I know he enjoyed New York, and I think if he’s going to play in the States we’re going to have a pretty good shot at bringing him back.”

On Andy Pettitte
“I do (expect Pettitte to return). But I think it’s a decision that (you make) when you get home. At the end of the year I would have told you, ‘Yes, absolutely.’ And now I think he still will but, you know, you just don’t know at this time of year. I think it is his decision again, and he’ll sit down with the family, and I think the family is pretty much on board with it so, yeah, I think the fires are still there. It was a freak thing, getting hit with the ball and the fracture of the bone this year. Can he hold up for 36 starts? I’m more comfortable thinking a little bit less than that. … If we’re smart about it, he’s going to be more effective with a few less starts than trying to push it through to 32 or 35, whatever it might be, and keep him fresher as long as we can.”

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45 Responses to “Rothschild on Pineda, Rivera, Sabathia, Kuroda and Pettitte”

  1. MTU November 2nd, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    Rothschild sounds pessimsitic to me on Pineda returning next year.

    Or least very cautious.

    That shows you how serious shoulder injuries are, or can be.

    If the tear was as “small” and “confined” as they claimed it makes ya’ wonder why the lack of confidence in an early return.

    :(

  2. luis November 2nd, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    Wise words… On all topics… I do think Kuroda returns, pettitte not so sure, it will almost depend on Rivera’s and Jeter’s playing or not… On Pineda, well, he was honest, he has no clue what they have on their hands, so they are making the right assessment.

  3. luis November 2nd, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    MTU,

    Hello… They can’t count on him regardless of the severity of the tear… It’s the shoulder, they simply don’t know what they have on him… They don’t even know if he is going to be able to pitch again.

  4. Against All Odds November 2nd, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    It’s best to take a wait and see approach.

  5. RadioKev November 2nd, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    MTU November 2nd, 2012 at 7:02 pm
    Rothschild sounds pessimsitic to me on Pineda returning next year.

    Or least very cautious.

    That shows you how serious shoulder injuries are, or can be.

    If the tear was as “small” and “confined” as they claimed it makes ya’ wonder why the lack of confidence in an early return.
    ———

    I think it’s just managing expectations…

  6. jacksquat November 2nd, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    It’s June earliest for Pineda. That’s if everything goes well, arm strength, command, etc.

  7. MTU November 2nd, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    Thanks guys.

    Good POV’s by all.

    :)

  8. jr1212 November 2nd, 2012 at 7:21 pm

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  9. MTU November 2nd, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    I hope Kuroda doesn’t decide to return to Japan.

    If he does we get nothing for offering the QO.

    And obviously no Kuroda either.

    :(

  10. Against All Odds November 2nd, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    jacksquat November 2nd, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    It’s June earliest for Pineda. That’s if everything goes well, arm strength, command, etc.

    ———————-

    Even if everything goes right I wouldn’t be surprised if he came up in August.

  11. gpearsoll November 2nd, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    Even if Pineda comes back, there’s a decent chance he’s starting in AA or AAA next year. He has options.

  12. MTU November 2nd, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    Luis-

    If the tear was confined as they stated there is no reason Pineda should not be able to pitch again at some point.

    Now staying healthy. That’s another matter.

  13. jacksquat November 2nd, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    The Yankees like Russell Martin very much and are hoping to re-sign him as a free agent this offseason, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports. The Pirates, Rangers and Mariners could all spend on catching this offseason. While the Mets need catching, they seem likely to pursue trades in Heyman’s view.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#HFhYFqI7TYbRJ39m.99

    “Very much”? I hope it’s not “very much”… Of course Girardi would like him very much because he is Girardi reborn with a little more power.

  14. Irreverent Discourse November 2nd, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    jacksquat – One can only assume that they like him “very much” more than any other available catcher.

  15. jmills November 2nd, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    Hi guys, I didn’t have the change to buy a poppy tonight, but tomorrow for sure in memory of the young lives lost in insipid war so that we might converse baseball. Hope you and yours are well.

  16. Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    I guess by now you know Dan Haren is a Cub and Carlos Marmol an Angel.

    One less destination for Soriano now?

  17. jmills November 2nd, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    I think ( in my small brain ),….Ellis Valentine does hath the #1 outfield arm.

    Contest?

  18. jmills November 2nd, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    YT! How ya’ surviving!!!?

  19. jmills November 2nd, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    Dan Haren was supposed to come up here.

    :(

  20. Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    Whereas the long celebrated Tommy John surgery has an 85% success rate of getting a pitcher back to a high level, the SLAP tear operation once only had a 3% chance of putting a pitcher back on the mound with the quality of performance he had prior to the injury (Carroll, 2004). For the other 97% of pitchers who tore their labrum, it was essentially a death sentence (or at least a major hindrance) to their career. Even today, the SLAP repair procedure only has a 33-66% success rate in putting athletes back on the field.

    http://.usf.edu/documents/thesis/u49041248.pdf

    Why one shouldn’t count on Pineda’s return to his first half 2011 dominance.

  21. Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    jmills-

    I’m watching the TV Red Cross concert to raise money for the tragic and still horrific aftermath of the storm that devastated the northeast.

  22. Triple Short of a Cycle November 2nd, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    What is up with the super small score in the lower right corner of the Knick Game? Awful

  23. jmills November 2nd, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    YT – that surgery doesn’t look great,…we’ve been waiting for Dustin McGowan to come around forever.

    For what its worth,..good luck.

    ( Maintain hope )

  24. jmills November 2nd, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    YT – I don’t have cable ( can’t tolerate TV ), but will look up where I can donate to the storm stricken ones tomorrow. I promise.

  25. Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    This is a good summary article on newer techniques for labral surgery and why there is somewhat muted success with pitchers.

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com.....lder_N.htm

  26. blake November 2nd, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    Carlos marmol sucks….weird trade for LA

  27. jmills November 2nd, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    Casey Jansen and, of course, Chris Carpenter, came back quite well post torn labrums.

    Rock on

  28. jacksquat November 2nd, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    I can only think that the Cubs are paying the entirety of Haren’s contract, so in effect the Angels are paying Marmol 6.3 mil. Otherwise this doesn’t make sense.

  29. jmills November 2nd, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    I am still stewing I lost Carpenter to the Cards!

  30. Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    Blake-

    Might mean one less destination for Soriano.

    jmills-

    Did Carpenter have repair of a labral tear or a rotator cuff when he was a Blue Jay?

  31. Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    Have to go.

    Hopefully we’ll see Kuroda sign back on in the next few days, followed soon by Pettitte.

    For your late night reading enjoyment:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....nt-values/

  32. Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    The 25 Best – and Five Worst – Free Agent Values

    by Dave Cameron – November 2, 2012

    Goodnight

  33. jmills November 2nd, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    YT – Carpenter was , labrum.

  34. blake November 2nd, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    @jonbernhardt: Haren for Marmol is like trading a luxury car with engine problems for a bike with a rocket booster strapped to the handlebars the wrong way

  35. jacksquat November 2nd, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    Pineda did not have a SLAP tear. It wasn’t that extensive.

    He also had arhroscopic surgery instead of being cut open, so that helps also.

    No guarantees, but I don’t think it’s a longshot he comes back ok.

  36. RadioKev November 2nd, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    Is this some weird Theo Epstein jedi mind-trick? What the crap?

  37. RadioKev November 2nd, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    Seriously, we couldn’t offer something better than Marmol? Could no one top this?

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    @MinorLeagueBlog: #Yankees Gary Sanchez has blasted his 1st Home Run of the Dominican Winter League season

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    @Ken_Rosenthal: Haren-for-Marmol NOT done. #Angels continue to talk to other clubs. #Cubs asked Marmol about teams on his no-trade and whether he would MORE

    Maybe Dipoto saw how much everyone was laughin at his for trading for Carlos Marmol

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