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Today’s main event: Qualifying offers

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 02, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Today really is something new and different for baseball, and with this game, that’s rarely the case.

Teams have until 5 p.m. to make qualifying offers to free agents. Under the new rules, a rejected qualifying offer is the only way for a team to receive compensation if a player signs elsewhere. Basically, for a team to be get a draft pick for losing a player, that team has to have been willing to pay the player $13.3 million to stay. And for a player carry the stigma of draft pick compensation, he has to first turn down a substantial one-year offer.

The Yankees have to consider three qualifying offers.

Nick Swisher – Will almost certainly get one. Even if he accepted, it wouldn’t be a bad thing for the Yankees.

Rafael Soriano – Some risk in offering one because it would guarantee him a small raise from this season, but it’s far more likely that he’s after a multi-year deal.

Hiroki Kuroda – It would probably be an overpay to give Kuroda $13.3 million, but not much of an overpay, and it would secure a one-year deal to fill a glaring hole in the rotation.

Players have seven days to accept or decline a qualifying offer.

Today’s deadline is simply the next step in the early stages of baseball’s offseason. The Yankees pro scouting meetings are over, and they’re ready for the free agent market to open. Of course, once the market opens, things can change in a big way.

“We’ve had our meetings,” Brian Cashman said. “I wouldn’t say there’s a plan in place yet. The plan constantly evolves because you have to get input from the agents and the clubs.”

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88 Responses to “Today’s main event: Qualifying offers”

  1. MTU November 2nd, 2012 at 9:03 am

    Agree with all 3.

    Hope Hiroki accepts his though.

    ;)

  2. blake November 2nd, 2012 at 9:06 am

    “Where do you think Swisher will end up?”

    Braves, Rangers, Red Sox, Giants…..I think a lot of teams are in play for him depending on the contract…..if he’ll take 3 or 4 years then there might be a big market for him.

  3. jacksquat November 2nd, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Probably several teams would jump at the chance to pay Kuroda 13.3 for one year.

  4. Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2012 at 9:07 am

    Hopefully Kuroda signs soon along with knowing Pettitte will be back so us LoHudders can focus on more trades for a bat if a pitcher is to be included.

    What time today do teams have to decide if they are picking up or declining club options on their players-Haren for example?

  5. MTU November 2nd, 2012 at 9:08 am

    Blake-

    I’m Ok w the Braves or Giants.

    Don’t want to see him w the Sux or Rangers.

    Could happen though.

    :(

  6. MTU November 2nd, 2012 at 9:09 am

    YT-

    My sentiments exactly.

    ;)

  7. MTU November 2nd, 2012 at 9:10 am

    I think Mo and AP will be back for one more go.

    :)

  8. Benny Blanco November 2nd, 2012 at 9:10 am

    MTU,

    Do the negatives outweigh the postitives in going after hamilton?

  9. jacksquat November 2nd, 2012 at 9:11 am

    “We’ve had our meetings,” Brian Cashman said. “I wouldn’t say there’s a plan in place yet. The plan constantly evolves because you have to get input from the agents and the clubs.”

    You don’t need to talk to other clubs, Cash. Given the framework of what it appears you are doing… Kuroda, Pettitte, Ortiz, Melky, Mo. Sign 5 guys to one year contracts and you are mostly done.

  10. MTU November 2nd, 2012 at 9:12 am

    Benny-

    I’m opposed. Though I understand the attraction.

    Don’t think the Yanks would spend the money it would take anyway.

    JMO

  11. Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2012 at 9:12 am

    Blake-

    What major league ready outfielders in the clubs farm systems would you have interest in for the Yankees and could they match up?

    For example-Wil Myers?
    Others?

    Maybe that is the route the Yankees will take?

  12. jacksquat November 2nd, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2012 at 9:07 am

    What time today do teams have to decide if they are picking up or declining club options on their players-Haren for example?

    For most players the deadline was yesterday, that’s why you saw all the activity. For some reason Haren’s is today or tomorrow morning, don’t know the exact time.

  13. MTU November 2nd, 2012 at 9:15 am

    I think, given the current circumstances, our best route to upgrade would be via trade.

    Provided we can get AP and Hiroki inked quickly.

    ;)

  14. blake November 2nd, 2012 at 9:19 am

    “What major league ready outfielders in the clubs farm systems would you have interest in for the Yankees and could they match up?”

    Oscar Taveras? Wil Myers? the problem is that teams don’t trade big league ready position player prospects very lightly…….

  15. MTU November 2nd, 2012 at 9:19 am

    Perhaps next year’s team should be called “the hold-the-fort Yankees” ?

    or

    The “Wait-till-the-Fram-guys-are-ready” Yankees ?

    :)

  16. MTU November 2nd, 2012 at 9:19 am

    Perhaps next year’s team should be called “the hold-the-fort Yankees” ?

    or

    The “Wait-till-the-Farm-guys-are-ready” Yankees ?

    :)

  17. MTU November 2nd, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Sorry for the duplicate comment.

    Their was an echo in my brain.

    :)

  18. MTU November 2nd, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Or the “one-year-contract” Yankees.

    Or the “189 Yankees”.

    Or the “rest-on-your-laurels” Yankees.

    Or the “I-follow-the-budget, gren-eyeshade, CPA” Yankees.

    Or the “New reality Yankees”.

    Whatever.

    :)

  19. Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Thanks Jack. It might be up to midnight ET to decide on club options.

    MTU -

    Once the Yankees have their starting pitching more secured, I think that trading for an OF bat will be the way they might go, even if you see them resign Ichiro.

  20. PacoDooley November 2nd, 2012 at 9:27 am

    MTU November 2nd, 2012 at 9:19 am
    Perhaps next year’s team should be called “the hold-the-fort Yankees”
    ————————–

    I agree, and a nice addition to that would be an extra one or two extra supplemental round draft choices. I keep banging this same drum, but this is one of the few places that the team can flex their monetary muscle to remain competitive – offer lots of qualifying offers to net picks. Indeed, even without the cash to back it up, this is how Tampa has been able to accumulate talent after losing a lot of star players.

  21. Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2012 at 9:28 am

    MTU-

    For simplicity’s sake and for us LoHudders it’s down to these two:

    Team Cheapo
    Team Thrifty

    I’m still a proud sponsor of Team Greedy :)

  22. MTU November 2nd, 2012 at 9:28 am

    YT-

    If they secure the Pitching in the way we have mentioned I’m all for using some of the potential excess to snag a young, dynamic, OF’er.

    That will begin the retooling process.

  23. MTU November 2nd, 2012 at 9:30 am

    YT-

    Yankee fans are spoiled. No doubt about it.

    That said, I’m a proud, card-carrying member as well.

    I make no apology for wanting to crush the opposition.

    :)

  24. MTU November 2nd, 2012 at 9:32 am

    YT-

    Unlike you I feel no need to do it via a scalpel.

    Blunt force trauma works fine for me.

    :)

  25. 86w183 November 2nd, 2012 at 9:32 am

    Morning folks —-

    I’m sure the Yanks want to get some firm commitments from Pettitte and Rivera before making any significant moves.

    Haren’s made it clear he wants to stay out West, so I suspect that’s what will happen. With him and Peavey out, not sure there’s a starter worth trading for.

  26. Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2012 at 9:33 am

    These compensation picks are essentially sandwich picks or second round?

    Can someone explain for example if Soriano signs with the Angels where the Yankees would get the pick, vs if he signs with one of the worst 10 teams, lets say the Marlins. Where would the pick be then?

  27. MTU November 2nd, 2012 at 9:34 am

    Dear Brian,

    The GM Winter meetings are fast approaching.

    Please sharpen up your pencil and buy a new pair of Keds.

    Yours truly,

    MTU

    :)

  28. MTU November 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 am

    And check the limit on your credit card.

    ;)

  29. MTU November 2nd, 2012 at 9:40 am

    YT-

    Somewhere between the 1st and 2nd round.

    Sorry. Best I can do.

    ;)

  30. Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2012 at 9:42 am

    I think I answered my own question?

    The compensation picks are sandwich picks. All teams that sign players with QO’s give up their 1st round pick, UNLESS, they are the worst 10 teams by record. So what would be the # pick for the Yankees if the team with the 11th worst record selected Soriano. Would it be the 11th pick after the first round?

    Signed,
    Maybe a bit still confused!

  31. MTU November 2nd, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Mop walk time.

    Be back.

  32. Tyler November 2nd, 2012 at 9:47 am

    It used to be that “Type A” free agents got you essentially the first round pick of the team that signed them as long as they weren’t bottom 10 in the league. I’m really not sure now however since those designations have been taken away. If I had to guess I would guess that they are supplemental picks that will be after the 1st round but before the 2nd.

  33. Tyler November 2nd, 2012 at 9:48 am

    And if my guess is correct, that happened about 3 years too late. The Yanks still would have had the 27th pick and taken Trout :(

  34. jacksquat November 2nd, 2012 at 9:50 am

    The sandwich pick round (between first and second rounds) are in reverse order of team record (win%).

  35. DONNYBROOK November 2nd, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Media asks Cashman a question, and basically gets No answer. Why? Because he aint the guy calling the shots, or even being aked for meaningful input by the Yankee hierarchy. When you got Levine talking directly with Boras, and asking Boras for a figure to retain Soriano, you know Cashman is a non-factor in important Yankee front office decisions. Cashman’s primary function is to draw media attention and respond to their questions with nebulous answers. Much like Girardi does with his pre and post game comments.

  36. Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Thanks Tyler.

    I’ve got to sign off also.

    I’m deeply saddened by what I’m seeing from the devastation in the Northeast. The lack of electricity, the lack of fuel and the miles long gas lines, the impending cold weather, the complete destruction of peoples homes and loss of memontos. Our family was involved in a flood, but it was nowhere nearly as destructive and scarring as this nightmare.

    I pray every day that all of the millions involved will somehow see the light closer to the end of the tunnel.

    Please people, contribute in any way possible.

    LoHudders-When you can let us know that you and your families are safe. I know many people still without electricity that are living with friends and neighbors that have it.

  37. jacksquat November 2nd, 2012 at 9:59 am

    No, that’s just Levine meddling.

  38. Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Thanks Jack.

    Until later.

  39. Bo knows November 2nd, 2012 at 10:02 am

    I’ll throw this out there. Last year I was clamoring that the Yankees sign Beltran and trade Swisher. This year the same applies to Granderson. The nuts and bolts are simple. It’s about (in Cashman terminology) assets. In both cases they should have or should garner a top fifty AA player.

    It takes three to five years for a draft pick to reach the Majors. The major hurdle is AA. If they’re successful at AA, then most of the uncertainty is behind them. The options are, sign the player, trade him, or let him walk for a sandwich pick. Trading for a AA player versus getting a sandwich pick should not be a difficult choice.

  40. DONNYBROOK November 2nd, 2012 at 10:09 am

    It’s far More than meddling when $$$ figures are being requested. I would be interested in knowing who called who? If Boras called Levine, the word is out as to who carries weight in the Yankee front office.

  41. Bo knows November 2nd, 2012 at 10:10 am

    MY field is expediting. Any success I’ve had has been based on the 7 P’s principle. I’ve found it to be much superior to the “All hands to the dyke” principle.

  42. Bo knows November 2nd, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Oh yes, the 7 P’s principle.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_Ps_(military_adage)

  43. Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Back again. Is this the GB, GB7, posting on RAB’s? If it is get your sweet %#@ back over here.

    GB asks:” I see that the options for Joakim Soria and Matt Lindstrom were declined. They seem like good targets to me. Your thoughts?”

    http://riveraveblues.com/2012/.....tin-78520/

    Anybody, any news on GB7??

  44. 86w183 November 2nd, 2012 at 10:15 am

    Levine is involved in the $$$$ decisions and always has been.

    Cashman is like every other GM… ownership has to approve major moves be they personnel or financial. That’s the way it should be…. it’s their money.

    I doubt there is a G.M. anywhere who has total carte blanche to do as he sees fit.

  45. austinmac November 2nd, 2012 at 10:25 am

    I am also a spoiled Yankee fan. But, I believe team ownership is more spoiled by big crowds and big ratings. They really are not sure things, but I doubt the ownership fully realizes that. Hal’s entire adult life has had big crowds and big income. I go back to small crowds and one of the least profitable teams in baseball.

    Would it be impossible for the team to actually acquire a good player who is not over 35? It seems to be.

    Could we even get a headline that the Yankees might, possibly, remotely, conceivably add a good young player?

  46. DONNYBROOK November 2nd, 2012 at 10:27 am

    There’s a Huge difference in being, “involved in the $$$ decisions”\ In-House, and actively pursuing offers from agents.

  47. blake November 2nd, 2012 at 10:27 am

    I think you look to trade Granderson IF they can replace him with either an equal or better player in the lineup……for example if you sign Hamilton and trade Granderson……or trade for Upton or Gordon and then trade Granderson to recoup prospects and offset payroll……etc….

    I don’t think they can afford offensively to just trade Granderson and replace his 40 dingers with a stop gap type player though……that would be counterproductive IMO

  48. 86w183 November 2nd, 2012 at 10:46 am

    There’s a Huge difference in being, “involved in the $$$ decisions”\ In-House, and actively pursuing offers from agents.

    **************************************************************************

    Not really. If the organization has already decided they are willing to pay Soriano a certain amount there’s nothing wrong with having Levine ask the agent for a proposal. If it fits the parameters, mission accomplished.

    I’m no Levine fan, but I guarantee that virtually every organization has more than one person who takes part in these sort of discussions.

  49. stanzy November 2nd, 2012 at 10:49 am

    I wonder how much the QO’s this year will affect the amount of the QO next year. Since it basically forces teams to offer a bit more than they might otherwise for certain players, if enough of those players accept, would that push up the average salary next year? It seems like its the ones who wouldn’t get that much elsewhere who would be most likely to take the offers, thus pushing up the baseline. It’s an odd position to be in, having to offer players a pretty big salary, hoping they don’t take it.

  50. austinmac November 2nd, 2012 at 10:51 am

    Bo,

    I also, along with others, wanted Beltran signed last year and Swisher traded before free agency. That clearly required too much foresight. Now, no Beltran and no Swisher.

    I agree the same principle holds true for Granderson. We know he won’t be re-signed, but they will likely hold onto him and get only a draft choice. I don’t get it.

  51. blake November 2nd, 2012 at 10:54 am

    “I wonder how much the QO’s this year will affect the amount of the QO next year.”

    with regards to the Yankees and their budget it may be more difficult for them to take the risk to offer guys 13.3 million dollars or whatever the number is for one year as that number may take them over 189. This year they can do it because they have more flexibility……next year if they are already close to the limit then they may have be able to offer a Nick Swisher that much money because he might take it and then they’d go over and Hal would pitch a hissy……

  52. jacksquat November 2nd, 2012 at 10:54 am

    NOVEMBER 2nd: The Red Sox and Ortiz are starting to close the gap in their negotiations, Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe reports (on Twitter). Texas’ interest is real, Cafardo writes.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#QdmjbmY2YYFJWYfK.99

    Awww.

  53. austinmac November 2nd, 2012 at 10:56 am

    At least Levine seems interested in improving the team. Cashman, as Hal’s sock puppet, is only interested it seems in fielding an economical team of one year contracts.

    Trade Granderson and sign Hamilton? Folks, you are thinking outside the box. It makes too much sense to be considered. If Hamilton will take a one year contract for under $5 million, they might do it. Otherwise, look for Ichiro as Swisher’s replacement.

  54. jacksquat November 2nd, 2012 at 10:58 am

    blake November 2nd, 2012 at 10:54 am
    “I wonder how much the QO’s this year will affect the amount of the QO next year.”

    with regards to the Yankees and their budget it may be more difficult for them to take the risk to offer guys 13.3 million dollars or whatever the number is for one year as that number may take them over 189. This year they can do it because they have more flexibility……next year if they are already close to the limit then they may have be able to offer a Nick Swisher that much money because he might take it and then they’d go over and Hal would pitch a hissy……

    They can always offer if the player is worth the one year contract if he accepts. That’s the only time they would offer anyway. In coming years they could always offer the QO to guys like Kuroda, Swisher and Soriano because they could always be traded if they didn’t really want them.

  55. Benny Blanco November 2nd, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Can some intelligently expalin the BAPIP for me? I think thats the correct acronym for it.

  56. jacksquat November 2nd, 2012 at 11:05 am

    http://www.fangraphs.com/libra.....nse/babip/

  57. blake November 2nd, 2012 at 11:05 am

    “Can some intelligently expalin the BAPIP for me? I think thats the correct acronym for it.”

    Batting average on Balls in play…..basically it tells you what your batting average is only on balls you put in play…..it removes K’s etc and gives you an idea of how often you get a hit when you actually hit the ball.

    It’s often used by saber dudes to try to explain variations in performance…….say a guy is usually a .280 hitter but one year hits .250…..you can look at their BABIP and if it’s much lower than their career norms then you can say well maybe they just had bad luck this year and hit a bunch of balls at people……..can go vice versa if a player had a better year than they normally do as well.

  58. Jerkface November 2nd, 2012 at 11:06 am

    Can some intelligently expalin the BAPIP for me? I think thats the correct acronym for it.

    Every time you put a ball in play, it is either an out or a hit (fouls out of play/HRs/strike outs/walks do not count). BABIP is just the batting average (# of hits / total chances) of all the balls put ‘in play’ (fieldable by defensive players).

    It is a good measure of both the luck & skill of a hitter. GOod hitters like Ichiro & Jeter will probably always have a BABIP above .300 as long as their physical ability remains high. The average is around .280-.300. If you strike out a lot, you will be more susceptible to shifts in your BABIP affecting your line, because you’re benefiting less from the luck (or unluck) of balls in play.

    In general, players have a small bit of control over their BABIP, but not enough to ward off large shifts year to year. Pitchers can control BABIP to an extent with pitch location & pitch selection, but once the ball is hit it is out of their hands.

    Whenever you see a hitter line out, or a defender make a ridiculous play, that is BABIP at work. The random cruelty of baseball.

  59. Benny Blanco November 2nd, 2012 at 11:14 am

    AHH HA!

    Thanks for the info guys. Truly appreciate it. Someone was referring to Torii’s BAPIP last night suggesting that he got lucky last year.

    If I had a choice between Swisher and Hunter I would go with Hunter.

    Sisher only had 6 more homeruns than him.. Yankees need more contact hitters.

  60. Jerkface November 2nd, 2012 at 11:15 am

    Hunter isn’t really a contact hitter, he still struck out 130 times.

  61. Benny Blanco November 2nd, 2012 at 11:17 am

    True…..

  62. Chip November 2nd, 2012 at 11:24 am

    First thing’s first. I love the Yankees, have all my life. Of all the teams I root for they are my favorite. But bad job by them.

    $500,000 is less than they will pay for a backup infielder this year and that’s all they would donate to the relief efforts to help the city that has supported them for nearly 100 years?

    This is an organization that prints money. Would double that amount, or even $2mil have been that much of a problem for the Steinbrenners? On top of that, how about raiding your shelves for Yankee sweatshirts and jackets and caps to donate to the people who now find themselves out in the cold without a home to go back to.

    On that last note – Modells wants people to bring their “gently used” outerwear to their stores where it can be donated. Do not be fooled into thinking that Modells is doing something good here. They want you to make these donations so that you will then be inclined to purchase new outerwear yourself while you are there. If Modells was really trying to be charitable they would donate from their own stock and absorb the loss. Donating is good and if you can I suggest you do it, but what Modells is doing is trying to use people’s good will to turn a profit.

  63. blake November 2nd, 2012 at 11:25 am

    I would not expect Tori to repeat 2012 in 2013…..he’s old…..for one year I’d rather have Swisher who is much younger and much more likely to repeat his average season in 2013.

  64. MTU November 2nd, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Pretty sad if all we can do is debate Hunter vs. Suzuki.

    We should be able to do better.

    :)

  65. MTU November 2nd, 2012 at 11:31 am

    YT-

    I too am really saddened by what has happened all along the eastern seaboard.

    I have relatives in NJ. Thankfully they are safe and sound.

    That said, I just heard that they are going to be forced to move in with relatives to avoid the cold.

    Power is not expected be back on for at least another week.

    What is going on in Staten Island is very sad.

    As well as what happened in breezy point.

    Don’t mean to minimize other people’s plight. Just gave those as particularly egregious examples.

    Gotta run again soon.

    Catch you later.

  66. Benny Blanco November 2nd, 2012 at 11:32 am

    Blake,

    then come playoff time its going to be the same ole, same ole for swish.

  67. Chip November 2nd, 2012 at 11:38 am

    Onto baseball:

    here are some FA predictions sure to go wrong:

    Greinke – Angels
    Hamilton – Boston
    Ichiro – Yankees
    Hunter – Yankees
    Kuroda – Yankees
    Andy – Yankees
    Soriano – Tigers
    Youk – Cleveland
    Keppinger – Philadelphia
    Rivera – Retired
    Ibanez – Tampa
    Chavez – Retired
    Carlos Pena – Yankees
    Mark Reynolds – Boston
    James Loney – Baltimore
    Nick Swisher – Seattle
    Angel Pagan – Texas
    Melky Cabrera – Houston
    Cody Ross – Boston
    Shane Victorino – San Francisco
    Russ Martin – Pittsburgh
    Mike Napoli – Houston
    Lance Berkman – St. Louis
    Kelly Shoppach – Yankees
    Stephen Drew – Boston
    Michael Bourn – Texas
    BJ Upton – Washington
    Edwin Jackson – Toronto
    Grady Sizemore – Yankees

  68. ron November 2nd, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Hamilton,and melky would cost aroung 31 million a year,cano,and granderson about 28 million in 2013,then 40 million in 2014 for cano,and granderson,and granderson might be gone.
    So in 2014 hamilton,and melky will cost about 9 million or so less than cano,and granderson.
    Why not trade cano,and granderson,then sign melky,and j hamilton wich will save us at least 5-10 million a year in 2014,and after,but net us a very nice package of players/prospects in return?

    Cashman has to get with the program,and stop rolling out the same team,except for adding a few older bench players every year.

  69. austinmac November 2nd, 2012 at 11:41 am

    Hunter is five years older than Swisher and is much more likely to decline. The only benefit of Hunter is money. The fans should let the team know that getting worse is noted and their wallets will remain closed, just like the Yankee wallets.

  70. austinmac November 2nd, 2012 at 11:43 am

    Ron,

    You have been warned. Don’t expect the front office to be creative.

  71. ron November 2nd, 2012 at 11:48 am

    We have a perfect opportunity to replace the lost offense,get cheaper,but most important,get at least 3 top prospects by trading cano,and granderson.
    H e l l,with soriano opting oiut,we can trade cano,granderson,then sign j hamilton,melky,and ortiz,and get some nice prospects.
    Hamilton,ortiz,melky will cost around 49 million a year.In 2013,cano,and granderson will cost about 28 million,but 40 million in 2014,so for 9 million more we get ortiz,and some nice players from the trade.

  72. Chip November 2nd, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    austinmac November 2nd, 2012 at 11:41 am

    Hunter is five years older than Swisher and is much more likely to decline. The only benefit of Hunter is money. The fans should let the team know that getting worse is noted and their wallets will remain closed, just like the Yankee wallets.
    ————

    Swisher’s not worth the money or years he will get.

    Hunter’s going to cost less in terms of both.

    I would rather have him for 1 or 2 years than Swisher for 4.

  73. RadioKev November 2nd, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    austinmac November 2nd, 2012 at 11:43 am
    Ron,

    You have been warned. Don’t expect the front office to be creative.
    ———–

    Yeah, those uncreative pickups of Ibanez and Ichiro for one…pffft….

  74. I Am Winning November 2nd, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Cano needs to stay. Stop proposing stupid trades involving Cano. He can defend, hit for average, power, he isn’t a base stealer or walk much but he does everything else in great fashion. Trading him would be incredibly stupid.

    I think fans are buying into this reduced payroll more than Hall is. He wants to lower it, but if going slightly above it means keeping Cano he will do that. All of a sudden fans are getting excited about putting a marlins team on the field. I just don’t get it.

  75. austinmac November 2nd, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    Yep, the Yankees can look through the 38 year old crowd effectively. Great long term plan.

    What other released or otherwise unwanted players do you expect this year, Kev?

  76. RadioKev November 2nd, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    austinmac November 2nd, 2012 at 12:08 pm
    Yep, the Yankees can look through the 38 year old crowd effectively. Great long term plan.

    What other released or otherwise unwanted players do you expect this year, Kev?
    —————

    You’re right. Raul Ibanez and Ichiro were uncreative awful pick ups. Point well made.

  77. austinmac November 2nd, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Winning,

    Cashman has said every deal will be considered based upon how it impacts 2014. His acquisitions demonstrate that policy. Unless he is lying, times have changed dramatically.

  78. austinmac November 2nd, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    The Mariners called the Yanked about Ichiro. Was their creativity answering the phone?

    Ibanez was an obvious option. He did as expected. Some power, little defense and low average.

  79. Jerkface November 2nd, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    Yea Ibanez is the exact opposite of creative. “We need a DH and there are exactly 3 players on the market that will come cheap”

    Creative would be swinging a trade.

  80. RadioKev November 2nd, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    austimac,

    Perhaps my point is, why are you making up this uncreative narrative when Cashman has made a bunch of great pick ups over the past two years, and when the team finished first in the AL this year?

    Seems like a lot of effort to be negative.

  81. ron November 2nd, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    I Am Winning November 2nd, 2012 at 12:02 pm
    Cano needs to stay. Stop proposing stupid trades involving Cano. He can defend, hit for average, power, he isn’t a base stealer or walk much but he does everything else in great fashion. Trading him would be incredibly stupid.

    I think fans are buying into this reduced payroll more than Hall is. He wants to lower it, but if going slightly above it means keeping Cano he will do that. All of a sudden fans are getting excited about putting a marlins team on the field. I just don’t get it.

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    You are absolutely clueless on how to build a team.

    Cano is going to lose all of his value once we pay him 7/161 million.
    He simply is not worth it.

    It is simple.
    You capitalize by trading cano,then you simply replace his offense for less money,and or a more favorable contract like hamilton,and or ortiz,but get 3 nice prospects by trading cano.

    You’re idea of signing every player to top dollar,past the age of 35,and straining payroll,then taking chances with older players on one year deals is not going to work.
    Tex,arod,jeter,mo,granderson can only decline,they can’t get better.

    Also,signing j hamilton,ortiz,and melky to replace cano,and granderson is putting a marlins team on the field???
    Going over the 189 is not the issue,it is the combined penalties that make it very unwise to entertain.
    Taxes,loss of draft picks,etc…

  82. RadioKev November 2nd, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Jerkface,

    Seemed to be pretty creative around these parts. I don’t recall many people throwing their hat in for Ibanez over Damon. I recall a whole lot of complaining in fact.

  83. Jerkface November 2nd, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    Seemed to be pretty creative around these parts. I don’t recall many people throwing their hat in for Ibanez over Damon. I recall a whole lot of complaining in fact.

    I don’t know why you think that classifies it as creative. The Yankees said they were looking at 3 options and everyone pegged Ibanez as the most obvious.

  84. RadioKev November 2nd, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    If only we had Gallup polling this place. I’d dispute that “everyone” claim.

  85. austinmac November 2nd, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Kev,

    The Yankees have been able to add older, cheaper players because the players perceive a chance to win. I don’t consider the low cost signings to be creative. McGehee, Pearce and their like we’re also not creative.

    Creative would be a trade or an international signing. Creative would be acquiring a young player to help for a number of years.

    I do feel negative as I hear nothing and have seen nothing to make me think it won’t be old uncreative replacements.

  86. Jerkface November 2nd, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    If only we had Gallup polling this place. I’d dispute that “everyone” claim.

    I’m not saying everyone agreed with the move, but it was pretty clear Ibanez was the guy they were most likely to sign. Difference between saying what will happen and what you want to happen.

  87. RadioKev November 2nd, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    See, I just disagree with that.

    I think picking up veterans on the cheap and platooning them to the teams advantage is very creative when you’re working within a budget but still looking to use a spending advantage. It’s hardly the way you’d want to go about winning, but the results are there. The Yankees were the best team in the AL, far better than Detroit. Detroit never even deserved to be in the post season, and the Giants swept them off the map as they should have been.

    The post season is, everyone’s favorite term, a crap shoot.

  88. Bo knows November 2nd, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    I still want to find the Granderson of pre Allstar game last year. That was a force. Quality at bats, smart baseball. I would happily live with him giving up ten HRs for that player.

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