“The same motto we used in New York…”
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 03, 2012 
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Wish I’d noticed this sooner. It’s from Monday’s USA Today, and it lays out the connections between the Yankees and the world champion Giants. From the bottom of Bob Nightengale’s story…
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“I couldn’t be more proud,” Bob Quinn, former general manager of the Giants, Yankees and Reds, told USA TODAY Sports from his home in Scottsdale, Ariz. “Just look at that Yankee influence.”
Giants GM Brian Sabean, the former Yankees’ scouting director, was Quinn’s first hire. Dick Tidrow, vice president of player personnel, was a former scout and pitcher for the Yankees. Dave Righetti, the pitching coach, is a former Yankees star. Hitting coaches Hensley Muelens and Joe Lefebvre and first-base coach Roberto Kelly are former Yankees. So is advance scout Steve Balboni.
“If you pin Brian down,” Quinn said, “he’ll tell you the Yankee way ain’t all that bad. Brian is old school. That’s the way we did things in New York. He’s taking the same motto we used in New York. SDSD. Scout, draft, sign and develop.”
It might have been the New York dictum, but the Giants have perfected it. The Giants’ legacy will be forever remembered, with a flair of New York style.
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Occasionally, the actual Yankees have changed that last D. In the Bronx, it’s been more scout, draft, sign and deal (for a proven player), or delay (in favor of a veteran), or disable (through a series of prospect injuries). The idea that the Yankees never develop is false, and their pro scouting department is often overlooked, but the Giants development and scouting stand out because the Giants star players are almost all homegrown.
The Giants have bought talent (Barry Zito, Melky Cabrera) and traded for proven players (Hunter Pence this year, Carlos Beltran last year) but they’ve used those methods to build around a homegrown core of Buster Posey, Matt Cain, Pablo Sandoval and Madison Bumgarner.
The Yankees have been unwilling or unable to develop a new core to follow in the footsteps of Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera. Aside from Robinson Cano, the homegrown Yankees have been somewhat secondary. They’ve been middle-of-the-rotation starters (Phil Hughes and Ivan Nova), late-inning setup men (Dave Robertson and Joba Chamberlain) or bottom-of-the-order hitters who never seem to have a full vote of confidence (Brett Gardner, Melky Cabrera, Eduardo Nunez).
Draft position has certainly helped the Giants — the Yankees never had a shot at guys like Lincecum, Bumgarner or Posey — but the Giants also have been more willing to deal with the development growing pains, while the Yankees win-at-all-costs approach has made that path difficult to follow, even if it was the Yankees who came up with the model.
Associated Press photos of Sabean and Brian Cashman
BIG SPENDERS THE YANKEES ARE!
Half a mil to Hurricane Sandy??? That’s it????????
FUC KING CHEAPSKATES!
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How much did you donate?
Looking to stir up some controversy this morning Chad ?
A few points of comparison and contrast :
The Yankees will never be the Giants because of the win now mentality in NYC.
The Giants are a relatively small market team compared w the Yankees. The mode of operation is necessarily different because of it.
It’s possible to be very successful on a smallish budget
The Yankees are learning to be a development team on the fly. Other
teams are usued to as their standard M.O.
The Yankees have been developing talent. Jackson. Montero. Kennedy.
Hughes. Nova. Phelps.
And finally. You’re right. Draft position helps.
OF would be Granderson, Gardner, Hunter, with Ichiro as 4th OF.
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I don’t think Ichiro will sign unless he is a regular, unless those 4 alternate most days at OF and DH.
There are some positives to signing Hunter, basing only on last seasons performance:
Hit righties[.303] and lefties [.340]
had 14 outfield assists
OB% .365-would have been 2nd on Yankees after Cano[.379]
Drove in 92 runs.
When I looked at his hit[spray] chart he hits to all fields
However was this past season an outlier from his last 2 seasons before 2012? He struck out 133 times in 534 AB’s
I personally don’t care for the big-hairy Monster approach.
The Yankees have a great, fairly recent example of how to construct a
killer team.
1998.
That team was a multi-dimensional O w good pitching.
Let’s get back to that formula.
Trouble is it takes time and patience.
Usually in short supply around Yankeeland.
YT-
Looks like you’re now a member of “Team Stopgap” or “Team Realist”.
Don’t forget to set your clocks back.
I wish they had homegrown talent to insert this year.
Mac-
They do.
Romine and Montgomery.
I don’t know what the predictions are for next season’s draft class but I hope it’s a good one.
Especially since we will a few extra 1st round picks.
MTU-
Just responding to a previous poster about Hunter. Since the Yankees won’t be getting younger in the pitching department if Kuroda, Pettitte and Rivera come back, I’d like some youth inserted into the offense.
So I’m on board with getting Alex Gordon to play left.
YT-
I’m not holding my breath on Gordon.
I’d like it. I think it makes sense. But I doubt the Yankees will go there.
All indications are that they are in Stopgap mode not in Retool mode.
We’ll see soon enough.
I wouldn’t count on anything more than Hunter’s career average performance, .277/.335/.466, 15-20 hr, 100-130 k’s. He probably expects quite a bit of money too, maybe even a 2 year deal (which I would be vehemently against). I’m not really interested, would rather have Melky for likely much less money and much younger and the ability to perform at about the same level without roids.
I’d like to see them inquire on Keppinger, AJ P.
Both of those guys would strengthen the team as well w/o costing a fortune.
And it doesn’t have to be Gordon. I don’t know if Headley would be too expensive now ?
Also haven’t quit on the idea of Upton, or someone like him.
Gordon is a very good fit though.
The Yanks may have calculated that it makes more sense to backfill for another year or two than to risk trading away their MiLB talent.
Perhaps they want to see what the Harvest truly brings ?
Can’t say I blame them for that. Personally, I think we have enough excess to move some pieces now.
And I think the Team badly needs an infusion of youth.
MTU-
The Yankees get their own pick in the 1st round #29, unless they sign someone like Josh Hamilton, who received a QO. Then they lose their 1st round pick. Only the 1st ten teams in the 1st round are protected.
I wish I could find the link listing all rounds, but by the time the Yankees would get their 1st compensation pick it was something like #65. I thought they go in reverse order, as someone said yesterday, but on the list I saw they don’t.
In fact there are compensatory picks in between each round that further distance the Yankees on their 1st compensation pick.
Romine has to show me he can hit. I have my doubts. He is likely a back up. Montgomery needs to be given a close look.
I wish Zoilo could hit from the right side like he does from the left. Melky Mesa is a remote possibility.
YT-
My point was that, if the draft class is promising, the Yanks are in a
favorable position to make a big haul.
Anyway you slice it 3 to 4 picks in the 1st round is GOOD.
The compensatory picks are in reverse order of winning percentage. In other words, Seliged again.
I also read the draft class is not strong, but I think it is toomearlynto say that. That also might just reflect no runaway top picks which, of course, we have no chance for anyway.
Mac-
I think you’ll get a chance to see what Romine can do.
He may start as the BUC but if he lives up to his potential he’s likely better than Martin.
You asked for some talent. I gave ya’ 1 or 2.
You’ll have to trade for some of the rest of it, or wait.
Yankee Trader November 3rd, 2012 at 9:36 am
MTU-
The Yankees get their own pick in the 1st round #29, unless they sign someone like Josh Hamilton, who received a QO. Then they lose their 1st round pick. Only the 1st ten teams in the 1st round are protected.
I wish I could find the link listing all rounds, but by the time the Yankees would get their 1st compensation pick it was something like #65. I thought they go in reverse order, as someone said yesterday, but on the list I saw they don’t.
In fact there are compensatory picks in between each round that further distance the Yankees on their 1st compensation pick.
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I posted it. Compensation round is after the first round and is in reverse order of win%, meaning the Yankees would pick near the end of the comp round. I don’t know where you are getting the 65 number, we don’t know how many comp picks there will be yet, and we don’t know how many teams will lose their first round picks.
I think they should allow draft pick swaps.
Of course, that’s anti-Selig.
I think the Yankees are attempting to chew bubble gum and walk at the same time.
Cashman has given up rappelling and is now into tightrope walking.
Hope his balance is good.
Not sure there’s a net. Could be a long way down.
Those picks inbetween rounds are called competitive balance picks whereby a lottery system based on the 10 lowest revenue and market teams picked these teams to have picks between round one and two and two and three.
Below are the results of the Competitive Balance Lottery, which establishes the order for Comp Rounds A and B in the 2013 First-Year Player Draft. Pick Comp A Comp —–B Comp
1 Royals—– Padres
2 Pirates—- Indians
3 D-backs —-Rockies
4 Orioles— -A’s
5 Reds —–Brewers
6 Marlins —-Tigers
“Competitive Balance Lottery”
You mean the “Neuter the Yankees Lottery” don’t you ?
Jack-
The pick in the 60′s would probably be their own 2nd round pick then. Am I correct about these competitive balance picks?
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb
After the 1st round and the competitive balance picks, then the teams get their compensatory picks, so it could be somewhere around a high 30′s pick or into the 40′s pick.
Does that sound right?
Gotta walk the Mops.
YT: Competitive Balance Lottery? Is that new this year? Can you point me to the site where you located this information?
If the goal is parity, then the time of the dynasties is going the way of the dinosaurs.
Madrugador -
I just posted it. Again:
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb
I thought there was some kinda limit\pool, which restricted the total amt of $$$ a team can spend on draft picks??? Anyway, Hal aint gonna shell out all kinds of money on unproven Kids. NOT gonna happen. So wipe the drool off your faces, and take a deep breath of reality. Besides, the Yanks have already developed an Impact player from withing their farm system. The guys’ name is Nunez. All he needs is a little time, and some patience outta the Yankee Hierarchy. Right now, I would instill him as the full-time Yankee 3B, let his Bat carry him for the present, and 86 A-Rod to the 1st taker. Nunez should be playing full-time, and blossoming accordingly.
Thanks.
I had actually forgot about that Competitive Balance Lottery. That sucks. Bud should just go full communism and get it over with…
From MLBTR’s on competitive balance lottery results.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....sults.html
Noticed this about those competitive balance picks:
The teams with selections now have some options. They can keep the pick and accrue talent during next year’s Draft. Or they can include them in trades, either leading up to the July 31 Trade Deadline or at any point during the regular season before next year’s Draft.
Justin Maxwell hit .272/.387/.505/.892 vs lhp this year.
MTU was mostly correct. It is clear that baseball is pushing towards neutering not only the Yankees but all the big market, big money teams. There is a clear disturbance in the force because whether you love or hate these teams, they are good for baseball in general. There won’t be a large TV market share for a Royals-Pirates WS but there will be one for Yankees-Pirates or Royals-Cardinals. Love the Yanks or hate them (and there are a lot of Yankee haters out there) you will watch the Yanks in the WS if for nothing else than to see them lose.
BTW- How the heck did the Tigers end up in the weaklings-only draft?
Jack-
Maxwell also had 18 homers in 315 at bats. We get stuck with 2nd half flop Smiley Jones, who didn’t do “jacksquat” after his Fenway green monster onslaught the 1st week in July.
Should Chris Dickerson then be a candidate for a 4th OF’er slot, based on his improvement vs. lefties?
Dickerson can play, but even though he has improved vs lhp it might be better if we had a righthanded hitting 4th outfielder given that at least 2 and maybe all 3 of our starting outfielders will be lefthanded. If he were a righthanded hitter he’d be perfect.
Another reason for the Steinbrenner’s to stay under the LT threshold for the full 3 years 2014 thru 2016 of the CBA-they get back roughly $40 million dollars.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....;FEEDNAME=
Gutten mornen!!
Trader,
You asked an interesting question in the previous thread. Although I think is almost impossible to end up in the scenario you mentioned ( losing Month, Sori and Fujikawa ). I would say the closer would be a competition between Joba, Ardsma and Drob. The losers become the set ups and eventual closers. Then probably go with two loogy, even though I think one should suffice. Then add Montgomery and we should be ok. Still, if Month decides to retire, they would either sign Soriano or Fujikawa.
Have to go.
Predict the Yankees first FA signing will be Hiroki Kuroda.
Hopefully this coming week we’ll know if Pettitte and Rivera are planning to come back.
Then we can focus on that young outfield right handed bat to trade for.
Have a good day.
Chad,
They forgot about the last D a long time ago. They always go the “safe” route. But the last few changes in the minor league staff might mean a new trend. Let’s hope that’s the case.
Yankees had an opportunity to improve their roster by going after Yoenis Cespedes but instead let him fall into the hands of Oakland.
Luis-
Just read your post. Soriano might be gone, before Rivera decides if he is planning a return. Fujikawa is rumored to be interested in the Dodgers. If Mo retires I’d be happy with a bullpen of:
Robertson
Chamberlain
Aardsma
Logan
Montgomery
Howell/Affeldt as 2nd non-LOOGY lefty-Affeldt probably over Howell-less homer prone.
Phelps
Bold and brave piece by Davidoff over at The Post with a ranking of the free agents. He gives you his prediction as to who goes where, and for how long and how much. Davidoff is a valuable addition over there, as Sherman has become Nothing more than a Yankee conduit for whatever the Yankee Brass wants the public to swallow. George woulda loved Sherman.
YT-
The Yanks are gonna give Cabral another look.
FWIS he’s a legitimate LOOGY option.
He almost made the team last year. He would have if not for an injury.
Not too worried about the pen.
Concerned much more about the 1-dimensional O, and the age-risk in the lineup.
Fewer hairy monsters needed but more wolves.
Keep that laser beam on the O Cashman.
It seems that the NYY have transitioned into 1980′s mode instead of the “Yankee way” that Sabean embraces. Not developing a core has consequences and the early 1990′s are on their way. Does anyone remember Mel Hall?
Get that team BA up and add more youth.
Jesus traded for junk.
Ajax traded for junk.
Kennedy traded for junk
No core! No hope! No mas!!!!!!!
DONNYBROOK November 3rd, 2012 at 11:00 am
Bold and brave piece by Davidoff over at The Post with a ranking of the free agents. He gives you his prediction as to who goes where, and for how long and how much. Davidoff is a valuable addition over there, as Sherman has become Nothing more than a Yankee conduit for whatever the Yankee Brass wants the public to swallow. George woulda loved Sherman.
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Don’t like it.
2. Melky Cabrera, OF
Yup, he ranks this high based on the way he played the prior two seasons. The question every team wants to know is, how much of that is attributable to PEDs? Prediction: Mets, one year, $4 million.
If the Yankees let Melky go to the Mets or any other team for 1/4, they are idiots.
3. Torii Hunter, OF
He turns 38 next July, but he can still play — very well. He’d love a shot at the Big Apple. Prediction: Yankees, two years, $28 million.
If the Yankees do that deal I’ll puke.
6. Hiroki Kuroda, RHP
One scout from an NL team called him “the most underrated right-handed starter in baseball.” It’ll be a battle of the Coasts.
Prediction: Dodgers, two years, $32 million.
There’s a 99% chance he’ll be a Yankee. Nice prediction.
11. B.J. Upton, OF
He lives year-round in Tampa. The Phillies train in nearby Clearwater. The Phillies need a center fielder.
Prediction: Philadelphia, six years, $100 million.
Anyone signing him to that would be insane.
21. Russell Martin, C
He drew criticism for turning down a three-year deal for about $20 million last winter. He just might get the last laugh.
Prediction: Yankees, three years, $22 million.
Yuck, no 3 year deal.
Trade Cashman for Sabean. Price is no object.
Can’t the Yankees chew bubble gum and walk at the same time ?
Continue developing a new core and supplement with quality FA’s or trades as needed.
Doesn’t have to be either or.
Younger, faster, and more athletic.
Remember that one Cash ?
You should. You said it.
Trade Cashman for Andrew Friedman instead.
“If the Yankees do that deal I’ll puke.”
Definitely too much for a guy his age.
“Yuck, no 3 year deal.”
I wouldn’t even give him 2 yrs.
G. Love,
Just got my power back. Hope everyone in Lohud land is doing well and safe.
I have no idea what’s going on in Yankee land since Monday. Anyone want to give me the Cliff’s notes?
Wow, I’m so out of practice I wrote that message to myself.
Good to hear you have power back G Love.
The Yankees made qualifying offers to Kuroda, Swisher, and Soriano.
Rothschild feels it’s best not to expect much from Pineda this season even if he comes back in the 2nd half.
Heathcott is doing well in the AFL.
BTW where do you live G Love?
G Love,
Glad you are back among us.
Their has been little activity except all possible Yankee free agents have declared, they have made qualifying offers to Soriano, Swisher and Kuroda.
Kuroda has been said to have very much liked his time with the Yankees giving us some optimism there. Rumors are the Yankees are interested in Torii Hunter, especially since he wouldn’t cost a draft pick.
That’s about all I can recall. BA did publish it’s Yankee top ten. I’m sure you can find it. Very interesting.
Odds,
Greenwich, CT on NY border. We lost power Monday at 6pm and just got it back this morning. We were able to take showers at the gym we go to in town & had a little generator to keep the fridge running and either the lights or a TV/DVD player on. Most of my neighbors were just sitting around in the dark all week.
Gas lines have been ridiculous. Our house got hit by lots of tree limbs & debris our neighbors didn’t have the wisdom to bring inside, but no damage was done.
Today was the first chance I had to see pictures/video of what happened in Jersey, Staten Island, etc. Unbelievable.
Glad to here you are ok buddy. It is unbelievable. I have friends in Queens that have been hit really hard. They said the storm was going to be bad but they were wrong it was worse than any of us could imagine.
Yep Gas lines are incredibly long, someone robbed a b41 bus in Brooklyn yesterday, fights have broken out, etc
I just read Chad’s Rothschild/Pineda post. I don’t think anyone on the Yankees is penciling him in for anything. He’s gone from a future front of the rotation guy to a lottery ticket at this point.
Just saw Haren’s a free agent. That’s interesting.
Tori Hunter is exactly what I don’t want to see the team do. I wouldn’t give him 2 years.
I would love to see the Yankees resign Ichiro and then sign Cody Ross to be our RH OF who platoons with Ichiro/Gardner/Grandy and gets a ton of at bats. Ross kills LHP.
Just saw Haren’s a free agent. That’s interesting.
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Yea very interesting being that he was a Cub and then Theo and co. backed out.
Odds,
Nothing that bad to report here thank goodness. The worst thing I saw was a gas station owner in CT on the NY border tell people with NY plates they couldn’t get gas there. The Police came in and straightened him out. That was starting to turn real ugly. Where I live I literally cross the street and I’m back in NY so to expect people with NY plates not to use his station was ridiculous.
After a couple of days with no power though your mind starts to play tricks on you and you think people are going to walk up on your property and steal your generator. I didn’t sleep well at all this week worrying about stupid stuff like that.
The really good news is that in the writeup on Heathcott he was rated as a strong arm. Good to hear after the two shoulder injuries. NB – he was drafted right after Trout if that means anything. All indicators are that he should be in AA and all else being equal, at midseason, he’d be a phone call away.
I’m not in love with the idea of signing Hunter, but if we could bring him on in a 4 OF set up, Granderson/Gardner/Ichiro/Hunter, that might not be half bad. Especially with guys like Mustelier/Dickerson in AAA and younger guys that could potentially make an impact soon.
Not really sexy, but it could be an effective stop gap. I’m kind of neither here nor there or Hamilton. Just depends on the price. Same with a trade, at what cost?
If we could grab Haren now for $5-8m that would be pretty good too. Especially if we could resign Kuroda and Pettitte. Last year was absolute proof you can never have enough pitching on hand.
Against All Odds November 3rd, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Just saw Haren’s a free agent. That’s interesting.
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Yea very interesting being that he was a Cub and then Theo and co. backed out.
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Yeah, it is interesting. Personally I wonder if the Cubs were betting they could sign him cheaper as a free agent. That or it’s the medicals.
G. Love November 3rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Odds,
Nothing that bad to report here thank goodness. The worst thing I saw was a gas station owner in CT on the NY border tell people with NY plates they couldn’t get gas there. The Police came in and straightened him out. That was starting to turn real ugly. Where I live I literally cross the street and I’m back in NY so to expect people with NY plates not to use his station was ridiculous.
After a couple of days with no power though your mind starts to play tricks on you and you think people are going to walk up on your property and steal your generator. I didn’t sleep well at all this week worrying about stupid stuff like that.
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Yea in situations like this you start to worry about staying safe because in desperate times ppl do desperate things such as tell the public you can’t get gas here smh.
RadioKev November 3rd, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Against All Odds November 3rd, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Just saw Haren’s a free agent. That’s interesting.
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Yea very interesting being that he was a Cub and then Theo and co. backed out.
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Yeah, it is interesting. Personally I wonder if the Cubs were betting they could sign him cheaper as a free agent. That or it’s the medicals.
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It could be the medicals his velocity decreased last yr if I’m not mistaken. I guess we’ll see what happens if the Cubs pursue him in the winter.