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Considering the qualifying offers

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 05, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

In all of baseball, only nine players were given qualifying offers on Friday. One-third of those offers came from the Yankees. Players have until 5 p.m. on Friday to accept or decline, and most of them — including Rafael Soriano and Nick Swisher — seem likely to decline. Hiroki Kuroda might be the player most likely to accept.

How many of these would be worth the loss of a draft pick?

OF Josh Hamilton
In terms of raw ability, Hamilton has to be the most talented player available. He also comes with a history of health problems and off-the-field concerns. At his best, Hamilton is far more valuable than the risk-reward of a first-round pick, and whether he’s a worthwhile target depends on the number of years just as much as the number of dollars.

OF Michael Bourn
A speedy center fielder with a good on-base percentage. In theory, Brett Gardner already gives the Yankees a cheaper version of Bourn. Granted, there’s more risk involved with Gardner — smaller track record, handful of health problems — but Bourn does seem a bit redundant, especially on a team that admits to a tendancy toward power hitters.

OF B.J. Upton
Also somewhat redundant, but in a different way. Upton hits like a younger version of Curtis Granderson, but Upton also manages to use his speed a little more and he could clear the way for the Yankees to either trade Granderson or let him leave via free agency a year from now. Two things to consider with an Upton signing: He’s exactly the kind of hitter that seemed to drive the Yankees crazy during those postseason struggles, and much of his value comes in his ability to play center field, which might not matter as much to a Yankees team that has Granderson, Gardner and a handful of legitimate center field prospects climbing through the system.

RHP Kyle Lohse
If the Yankees are able to re-sign both Kuroda and Andy Pettitte, then some of the rotation desperation will fade away. Lohse seems fairly similar to a handful of other starters on the market — dependable in the middle of the rotation, questionable at the top — but he and Kuroda would be the only ones with a draft pick attached.

1B Adam LaRoche
Coming off a nice year with the Nationals, LaRoche’s left-handed power could play well in Yankee Stadium, but he’s also limited to first base, and of the players on this list, he seems like the worst fit for the current Yankees roster. The Yankees do have room for a designated hitter, but that’s probably going to have to be a platoon with room for Alex Rodriguez and Derek Jeter to get some DH starts. Can’t see spending the money — and the draft pick — to put LaRoche in that role.

DH David Ortiz
This one is already off the market. The Red Sox made a just-in-case qualifying offer to Ortiz, but they ultimately locked him up with a two-year deal.

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104 Responses to “Considering the qualifying offers”

  1. Chip November 5th, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    blake November 5th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    Lemmi ask you guys this.

    Lets say you can sign Hamilton for 5/115 and you know it’ll take 8/180 to sign Cano next year……which do you pick if you can only sign one?
    ————–

    In that scenario I would pass on Hamilton and trade Cano.

  2. Tyler November 5th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    Only one worth considering is Hamilton. Upton might put it all together but he’s going to come at a fairly hefty price and I’m not in love with his approach most of the time.

  3. Tyler November 5th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    Chip November 5th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
    blake November 5th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    Lemmi ask you guys this.

    Lets say you can sign Hamilton for 5/115 and you know it’ll take 8/180 to sign Cano next year……which do you pick if you can only sign one?
    ————–

    In that scenario I would pass on Hamilton and trade Cano.
    ————————————————————————–

    Why does it not surprise me that you’d trade Cano, lol.

  4. Tyler November 5th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Hamilton at YS is soooo appealing. He could bunt it over the RF wall.

  5. Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    blake November 5th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    @jcrasnick: I asked execs & scouts what Josh Hamilton will get as free agent. Estimates ranged from 3 x 20M to 5 x 26M. http://t.co/uwbfV2QJ

    ———————

    Um… holy sh*t.

    If they could swing a high dollar, short term deal for Hamilton that would be incredible. 60 million over 3 years for Hamilton sounds like a better deal than 60 million over 4 years for Soriano anyway……

  6. blake November 5th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    “In that scenario I would pass on Hamilton and trade Cano.”

    That’s fine….but your team would probably suck ;)

  7. blake November 5th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    “If they could swing a high dollar, short term deal for Hamilton that would be incredible. 60 million over 3 years for Hamilton sounds like a better deal than 60 million over 4 years for Soriano anyway……”

    Way better…..if they can get Hamilton for 3/60 then that’s a no brainer to me

  8. Chip November 5th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    Tyler November 5th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    Chip November 5th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
    blake November 5th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    Lemmi ask you guys this.

    Lets say you can sign Hamilton for 5/115 and you know it’ll take 8/180 to sign Cano next year……which do you pick if you can only sign one?
    ————–

    In that scenario I would pass on Hamilton and trade Cano.
    ————————————————————————–

    Why does it not surprise me that you’d trade Cano, lol.
    —————–

    I like Cano. I do not necessarily like the idea of watching Cano deteriorate as he ages.

  9. Chip November 5th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    blake November 5th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    “In that scenario I would pass on Hamilton and trade Cano.”

    That’s fine….but your team would probably suck
    —————

    I disagree.

    Depending on what I get for Cano I have depth at 2b through the system with CoJo and Adams so while I will take a hit there it won’t be a horrific one and I’ll improve the team in 1 or 2 other spots at the same time.

  10. Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    blake – I think with those numbers being thrown around you basically just need to meet with Hamilton and gauge what he’s really interested in.

    Does he want to win above all else? Does he want the security? Does he want the dollars? Does he even have a desire to play in NY and all that comes with it?

    If the guy just wants to win and the rest is gravy, go for it. If he’s hesitant on NY, then let him make that choice (no one knows better than he does), don’t just presume he can’t handle it. If he’s looking for the longest deal and not the richest……. you move on to a different plan.

  11. blake November 5th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    “Depending on what I get for Cano I have depth at 2b through the system with CoJo and Adams so while I will take a hit there it won’t be a horrific one and I’ll improve the team in 1 or 2 other spots at the same time.”

    Here is what you can get for Cano…..not enough

  12. Tyler November 5th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    Chip-

    I was just poking fun at your penchant for trade proposals, lol.

  13. blake November 5th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    Sign Hamilton, sign either Ichiro, Melky , or Hunter (if its one year) …..then offer Granderson for Rendon or Olt. Offense fixed…..offense has young and cheap options coming like crazy

  14. Chip November 5th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    Incidentally – there’s not a single guy who was made a qualifying offer that I would sign.

  15. Chip November 5th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Tyler November 5th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    Chip-

    I was just poking fun at your penchant for trade proposals, lol.
    ————–

    Well played.

  16. Chip November 5th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    blake November 5th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    “Depending on what I get for Cano I have depth at 2b through the system with CoJo and Adams so while I will take a hit there it won’t be a horrific one and I’ll improve the team in 1 or 2 other spots at the same time.”

    Here is what you can get for Cano…..not enough
    ——————

    Rendon, Espinosa and Ramos from the Nats?

  17. blake November 5th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    “Rendon, Espinosa and Ramos from the Nats?”

    Id trade Granderson for Rendon maybe…..not Cano

  18. Tyler November 5th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    Rendon has too many question marks still as a prospect. Espinosa has some potential but he sucked in the playoffs and that’s my last impression of him. I’d rather give Romine a try at catcher than block him in with another young backstop, all while trading your best player.

  19. mick November 5th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    Did Scutaro sign yet?

  20. blake November 5th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    The injuries Rendon has had don’t appear to be chronic things though…..he’s still a really good prospect at a premium position who could realistically be ready by 2014.

    If the Yankees could sign Hamilton for 5 years or less and then trade Granderson for Rendon then Id give him 5 gold stars…..the 2013 team would be better and they would have 5 legit position player prospects on the horizon……3 outfielders…. A catcher and a 3 B

  21. blake November 5th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    5 legit position player prospects is exactly how they can get under 189 and stay competitive….. You develop multiple position players and then you have offset the big salaries and will have room to add more later…….

  22. MoRings42 November 5th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    I like Hamilton but with his history, the city and the pressures of the media.. I’m not sure it’d be a good fit.

  23. MoRings42 November 5th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    Ichiro should be priority. Let him finish his career as a Yankee. He can still play, he doesn’t look old. He has no problem moving down in the order so they can bat him 9th and not worry about his feelings. He still has speed and maybe he can rub off on Gardner a little with how to use it. I’ll be ticked if they don’t re-sign him.

  24. Tyler November 5th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    blake-

    I like Rendon a lot but I wouldn’t trade a guy like Cano with him being the top piece coming up. Granderson I completely agree with.

  25. luis November 5th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Blake,

    You are on fire today… Excellent posts… Man, we very seldom disagree ( I think on the Upton front that I can recall )…

    If Hamilton can be had for 5 or less years, I go all out for him.

  26. luis November 5th, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    One word of caution though… Getting Hamilton means they have to move one of their big contracts in order to meet the cap or trade Cano.

  27. luis November 5th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    By the way… No to BJ Upton, no to bourn, no to Hunter… Ichiro, for one year maybe.

  28. 86w183 November 5th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    Hamilton is the ultimate HUGE risk HUGE reward type of guy.

    With an eye towards $ 189 M I’d bet on the Yanks doing few if any risky signings. Melky makes more sense to me… very low risk, moderate to high reward.

  29. austinmac November 5th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    Soria’s agent sure makes it sound like he would love to come set up with Mo. KC declined $8M so I guess around $5-6M. His agent says he hasn’t heard from the Yankees. It may be because of Soriano uncertainty, but I doubt they will spend that kind of money on the pen. He could be great insurance, if healthy.

  30. 86w183 November 5th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    Luis —-

    Struggling to understand your thought process. You’d go all out fo Hamilton, might sign Ichiro and no interest in Upton, Bourn or Hunter.

    Can’t me $$$ cuz Hamilton will cost more than anyone else. Can’t be age cuz Ichiro is oldest player of the five.

  31. luis November 5th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    86,

    They probably go that route. I like the Melky signing as well. For me the key is to improve the team and preserve the future.

  32. austinmac November 5th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    Luis,

    I would hope the plan would be to trade Granderson if they signed Hamilton for youth. It would completely shock me if they show any interest in Hamilton. If they think Greinke is too risky, they will stay far away from Hamilton and his cost.

    I get the risk of Hamilton, but when and how do the Yankees EVER get a player of that ability.

  33. jacksquat November 5th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    No to Hamilton, too much risk with big money combined with a decreasing payroll.

  34. 86w183 November 5th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Soria would be a great asset if healthy. They’d have to work him out and study the medicals.
    What they might spen out there will depend on what Soriano does AND what Mariano Rivera settletles for.

  35. mick November 5th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    Liking Hamilton and Melky is a no win situation for the fans.
    They are not coming here for various reasons and one of those is money.

  36. mick November 5th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    Give Soria a mini-version of what they gave Soria-no.
    Call him mini-me…or mini-Mo.

    No opt out.

  37. blake November 5th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    “You are on fire today… Excellent posts… Man, we very seldom disagree ( I think on the Upton front that I can recall )…”

    I want Upton really bad…..I’ve talked about him forever…..I just am not sure they can get him and I’m also afraid acquiring him might be too costly when you combine the players to get him and the restructuring of his contract it would take to get to wave his no trade

  38. ac1 November 5th, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    If they aren’t going to be willing to spend the 10/225 or whatever it is they want for Cano, you HAVE to consider a trade. ONLY if you get something very good back, like a Matt Kemp or Felix. You cannot let Cano walk after 2013 and have nothing to show for it other than a draft pick.

  39. ac1 November 5th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    I want Gardner in CF, Ichiro in LF and Hunter in RF in 2013. I think there are teams that would be willing to grab Granderson with the intent to win in 2013 like the Nationals.

  40. luis November 5th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    86w183 November 5th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
    Luis —-

    Struggling to understand your thought process. You’d go all out fo Hamilton, might sign Ichiro and no interest in Upton, Bourn or Hunter.

    Can’t me $$$ cuz Hamilton will cost more than anyone else. Can’t be age cuz Ichiro is oldest player of the five.

    ============================

    Yes 86, BJ is a younger version of Granderson ( power, speed, little contact and lots of k’s ), plus he is having trouble keeping up with the FB, so no to him. Bourn is Gardner with a little more of a track record, but more expensive, so no as well. Hunter is old, and k’s a lot too, so no.

    I like the Hamilton signing if it is for 5 years or less, but also said, that in order to do so, we need to move one big contract or we won’t be able to keep Cano. The good thing about this move is that you get to keep the prospects. Of course, this means trading Granderson as well. So your OF could be like Gardner CF, Hamilton RF and Melky LF. From the Granderson trade you either get position prospects or a good 3B.

    In the case of Ichiro, i see him more like a fourth OF. So if it is for one year, maybe.

    I hope this helps you understand my thought process.

  41. blake November 5th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    I think Hamilton’s issues down the stretch last year have made folks forget how awesome he can be….. He seriously could hit 50 homers in YS…

    Cano, Tex, Hamilton would be one of the best 3,4,5 combs in baseball……Tex would see a ton of fastballs

  42. luis November 5th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    austinmac November 5th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
    Luis,

    I would hope the plan would be to trade Granderson if they signed Hamilton for youth. It would completely shock me if they show any interest in Hamilton. If they think Greinke is too risky, they will stay far away from Hamilton and his cost.

    I get the risk of Hamilton, but when and how do the Yankees EVER get a player of that ability.

    ====================================

    Mac,

    Yes, I would trade Granderson. Even if we don’t go after Hamilton.

  43. mick November 5th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Why do you people keep talking Hamilton, he’s not coming here and neither is Melky…

  44. austinmac November 5th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    Despite having no knowledge, I would almost guarantee Boras and Cano would not agree to any deal of under $200M or for less than eight years beginning in 2014. He can likley get that on the market considering Pujols and Fielder and the like.

    If that is the case, I do hope the Yankees trade him now. They cannot let another good player walk for only a supplemental pick. Last year they shold have done the same with Beltran and Swisher. Will they not think ahead?

  45. luis November 5th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    blake November 5th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
    “You are on fire today… Excellent posts… Man, we very seldom disagree ( I think on the Upton front that I can recall )…”

    I want Upton really bad…..I’ve talked about him forever…..I just am not sure they can get him and I’m also afraid acquiring him might be too costly when you combine the players to get him and the restructuring of his contract it would take to get to wave his no trade

    ===========================

    I know you do :) I just don’t feel comfortable giving up prospects/ current roster players and on top of it, pay the contract he has. As I said many times, I believe the core has to be homegrown. Hence our little disagreement ;)

  46. mick November 5th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    Yanks could easily rationalize an OF of Grandy LF, Gardy CF and Ichiro RF with someone like Dickerson or Scott Hairston as the 4th OF.

  47. 86w183 November 5th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    Luis —

    thanx for responding, but to me Hamilton is riskier than all the others. Upton is a HUGE upgrade defensively and on the bases and is still getting better.

    Blake —

    Justin Upton’s limited no trade is no concern. It’s only four teams. What the diamondbacks might want for him certainly is.

    gotta go… seeya tomorrow

  48. G. Love November 5th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    Yankees have to do something. Picking up Ichiro and a guy like Scott Hairston will be met with a huge collective yawn by the fanbase. Just losing Swisher & Soriano isn’t going to change the complexion of the team.

    As long as Arod, Granderson and Tex are relied on to be “big” hitters, we’re not going to win.

    The fans shouldn’t be punished for Hank being dumb enough to sign Arod to age 50 & we shouldn’t be punished for Tex declining faster than a speeding bullet.

    What they will do if they try to present the current team as next year’s team is give a collective middle finger to the fanbase and everyone who pays top dollar to see a team that’s supposed to go all out to give their fans the best. The empty seats are just starting. Same team next year and you’ll be able to walk up to the stadium and sit over the dugout for $20 from a scalper outside like the early 90′s.

    They’ll most likely try something big. I think they’ll see where the market goes on Hamilton. He’s the legit middle of the order hitter this lineup lacks. Hamilton for 5 years is a good play. He’s better than Swisher and Granderson and you should take their money and give it to him and Ichiro and a RH hitting OF like a Hairston or a Cody Ross.

    They’re not getting that big player via trade. Almost every pitching prospect we have is injured.

    Tex, Arod, Granderson are not that player. Cano can’t be that player without having the real deal to tandem him with.

    I’m not saying they will go get Hamilton, but if it were me I’d explore trading Grandy for a young 3b, signing Hamilton & Ichiro and try to bring back the same pitching staff minus Soriano.

    I’d take a flier on Soria and hope Aardsma, Joba, Robbie can be the bridge to Mo.

    Bring back Andy & Kuroda and realize someone will go down and Phelps can fill in.

    Unless a player we don’t know about hits the trade market, the chance of them upgrading the heart of this order will only happen with the signing of Hamilton.

    It makes no sense to bring back Mo, Andy or even Kuroda if the team is going to punt the off season again offensively.

  49. mick November 5th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    When Hal was a little boy he was teased by his schoolmates for being the spoiled brat whose Daddy bought pennants.

    It is his wet dream to show those bullies he can win without having the highest payroll in the game.

  50. jacksquat November 5th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    The problem with the offense is it is too reliant on the home run and too inconsistent. So let’s sign a big home run guy who is wildly inconsistent? Go look at his month to month numbers.

  51. luis November 5th, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    Mac,

    if that’s the case, he is as good as gone. Unless they move one big contract that is ( Arod or tex ). Cashmoney mentioned that we are pretty deep on second base ( Adams and CoJo ), we would take a big hit if we trade him, but the amount of talent we would get in return might make it worthwhile. This was one of the reasons I thought that they should have tried to extend him last season and see if they would get a hometown discount. But with Boras as his agent, this may have never been possible.

    Mick,

    Probably, but I never lose hope that they prove me wrong.

  52. The Return of Stoneburner November 5th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    down the stretch last year

    *****

    But isn’t that the problem with this team is down the stretch – with the playoffs included – do they want another guy who wins the MVP in August and then “down the stretch” has question marks – add to it a saturated media market – add to it addiction issues with his last relapse that we are aware of being in January 2012 – add to it that he admitted he did not really play in June and July this past season – and add to it the mantra he would possibly like to play 62 games instead of 162 games (via ESPN radio in Dallas) – - – -

    “I still had a pretty good year. Just think if I hadn’t taken off June and July. We’ll work on that next year.”
    Read more at http://www.rantsports.com/mlb/.....rCOHZZk.99

  53. Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    austinmac November 5th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    Despite having no knowledge, I would almost guarantee Boras and Cano would not agree to any deal of under $200M or for less than eight years beginning in 2014. He can likley get that on the market considering Pujols and Fielder and the like.
    —————–

    True.

    86 – How is Upton’s limited no trade not a concern when the Yanks are already on it (with the very purpose of being able to renegotiate or spurn the deal)? That, to me, sounds like it should be a major concern for a team that’s getting all budget-y.

  54. Patrick November 5th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    If the Yankees are going to spend a lot of money on a free agent this offseason I’d prefer it to be Greinke or B.J. Upton. I doubt Cashman plans on signing a long term deal this winter but if he does I’d definitely prefer those two players. They are both under 30 and have good upside

  55. austinmac November 5th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    I wished I had been teased as a child becsue my father was too rich.

    I think we will likely see Ichiro, Gardner and Granderson as the OF next year. I will do so be in hopes the fans will not realize they are punting so they can make more money. The only hope we have is ownership seeing the empty seat and an 8+% decline in TV ratings. I have little faith they are that aware. They will have excuses and justifications.

  56. G. Love November 5th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    jacksquat,

    I see where you’re going, but Hamilton also hits close to 40 doubles and he’s not a 200 K guy normally.

    He’s a legit middle of the order hitter.

    Tex is a pretend middle of the order hitter since he stinks against RHP and should be platooned for 2/3rd’s of his at bats.

  57. mick November 5th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    The dominoes will begin to fall if Kuroda doesn’t sign.
    Then Andy…
    I think they both will.

  58. mick November 5th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    Hamilton would have been a definite George signing.
    Though I cheered when he was banished, oh how I miss those days…

  59. blake November 5th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    “Justin Upton’s limited no trade is no concern. It’s only four teams. What the diamondbacks might want for him certainly is.”

    It is because the Yanks are one of the 4 teams!

  60. luis November 5th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    jacksquat November 5th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
    The problem with the offense is it is too reliant on the home run and too inconsistent. So let’s sign a big home run guy who is wildly inconsistent? Go look at his month to month numbers.

    ==============================

    Very true….But if you insert Adams as your regular 3B and Nunez at short. Make Arod your full time DH and sign Melky…You have a very balanced lineup for 2013 ( speed, contact and power )… I am assuming that Jeter won’t be able to play for most of next season…Also, Hamilton would be perfect to compliment Cano in the middle of the order, something we don’t currently have… It will also to a point reduce the impact of trading Cano, if that happens.

  61. mick November 5th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    Since the Yanks no longer play like the team that won championships in 96 and 98-2000, the signing of Hamilton would signify a throwback to the Reggie/Arod days when they carried us to 2 titles.

    Nobody here can carry us and we are not good enough to do it as a team.

    More likely they try to rebuild this team with role players.

    They already feel they have enough pitching and position player-wise.

  62. luis November 5th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    By the way….For those on the BJ Upton bandwagon…He may be younger than Granderson and he may be an upgrade defensively…But he is already having lots of trouble keeping up with a FB, that’s a sign of decline guys… I would stay as far as I can from him.

  63. blake November 5th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    A couple of months ago I had dreams of the Yankees trading their way out of where they are….trading for Justin Upton or Chase Headley or Gordon etc…..

    However I’m coming more to believe that that’s a bit unrealistic and im not even sure it’s a great idea given the budget concerns going forward…..

    The Yankees have a dilemma here in that they want to get the payroll down longterm and they also want to keep winning while doing that…..the problem is that IMO they are dangerously close to losing that 2nd goal in the short term…..

    They need a bridge to the future without actually compromising the future to get there…..

    I think Hamilton could be such a bridge if they can get him on a reasonable term (number of years)…..he can be had for only money and he would allow them to be better in the short term and also keep that core group of position players together that really holds the keys to them accomplishing their 2 goals……they should be trying to add to that group….not subtracting from it now.

  64. luis November 5th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    Mick,

    I wouldn’t mind if they take that route….But I would like them to be honest about it, and lower tix prices as a result.

  65. luis November 5th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    blake November 5th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
    A couple of months ago I had dreams of the Yankees trading their way out of where they are….trading for Justin Upton or Chase Headley or Gordon etc…..

    However I’m coming more to believe that that’s a bit unrealistic and im not even sure it’s a great idea given the budget concerns going forward…..

    The Yankees have a dilemma here in that they want to get the payroll down longterm and they also want to keep winning while doing that…..the problem is that IMO they are dangerously close to losing that 2nd goal in the short term…..

    They need a bridge to the future without actually compromising the future to get there…..

    I think Hamilton could be such a bridge if they can get him on a reasonable term (number of years)…..he can be had for only money and he would allow them to be better in the short term and also keep that core group of position players together that really holds the keys to them accomplishing their 2 goals……they should be trying to add to that group….not subtracting from it now.

    ============================

    AMEN!

  66. Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    You know… the Grienke case is interesting… I suppose someone could make the argument that signing him could be the better long term move since we don’t have any clear cut options in our rotation other than CC.

    I err towards focusing on the offense since our pitching was pretty good last season without the big $$$, but I could certainly see someone making a case for Grienke that would actually fit with the long term plans of the franchise.

    All that being said…. I’d rather have Hamilton lol.

  67. Patrick November 5th, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    I don’t think Hamilton fits the Yankees’ goals at all. I think mick is more on the target with regards to rebuilding with role players. The primary goal is to get under the luxury tax threshold while continuing to make the playoffs. You don’t do that by handing out 20+ mil AAV to aging veterans. You do that by signing 1 year deals and trading for young talent.

  68. blake November 5th, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    “You do that by signing 1 year deals and trading for young talent.”

    Big problem with that plan…..you can’t trade for young talent….it’s not available

  69. mick November 5th, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    patrick has it right.
    they feel they already have the “stars” they signed for.
    why would they change their collective minds this off season?
    they think they had enough this year to win just as they did the year before.
    as far as lowering ticket prices, you know that’s not happening.
    they will repackage the same product , get leaner, and we will fall for it…

  70. blake November 5th, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    If the status quo holds offensively then at least we won’t have any trouble falling asleep next summer

  71. Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    To trade for young talent we need to part with our young talent…no?

    Unless we can flip Arod for Headley… Which everyone on the board would be completely on board with, of course.

  72. Tyler November 5th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    The key for the Yanks going forward is developing their OWN young talent (Williams, Heathcott, Banuelos, Campos, etc.) and drafting/scouting well. They probably aren’t in the position to get a Tex to Atlanta type haul of prospects (mostly because other teams aren’t going to do that anymore). It’s the guys in the system that need to come through.

  73. Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    ?@JeffPassan

    Sources: MLBPA investigation clears embattled agents Seth and Sam Levinson of wrongdoing in Melky Cabrera case. News: http://yhoo.it/VOFNbn

    Does this mean…. anything?

    No, right?

  74. luis November 5th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    Mick,

    I don’t like it one bit, but I think they will go that way…Pretty much what Mac is saying as well….Yikes

  75. blake November 5th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    “The key for the Yanks going forward is developing their OWN young talent (Williams, Heathcott, Banuelos, Campos, etc.) and drafting/scouting well”

    If they are serious about this budget then it’s essential

  76. Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    “Fortune favors the prepared mind.” – Louis Pasteur

  77. blake November 5th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    “To trade for young talent we need to part with our young talent…no?”

    Correct….so does it really accomplish anything?

  78. luis November 5th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    Got to go…later guys…Good posts….

  79. Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    @Yankees: #Yankees are collecting donated items at Yankee Stadium! Here’s how to help: http://atmlb.com/XeAiI5

  80. Tyler November 5th, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    If they are serious about this budget then it’s essential
    ——————————————————-

    It definitely is…. and I just hope that the Yanks can do it. They aren’t going to hit with every 1st round pick or every prospect but they are going to need to be able to get results from the guys in the system.

  81. mick November 5th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Mick,

    I don’t like it one bit, but I think they will go that way…
    ==================================
    Luis,
    They don’t think there’s anything wrong with this team, why should they change ?

  82. blake November 5th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    Signing Hamilton and trading Granderson does two things….. It helps short term and it potentially allows them to their prospects.

  83. Chip November 5th, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    ac1 November 5th, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    If they aren’t going to be willing to spend the 10/225 or whatever it is they want for Cano, you HAVE to consider a trade. ONLY if you get something very good back, like a Matt Kemp or Felix. You cannot let Cano walk after 2013 and have nothing to show for it other than a draft pick.
    ——————

    The problem becomes that if it is going to take that kind of money to keep Cano – and other teams know it – then you’re not going to get a Kemp or a King Felix for him. You’re going to get lesser packages. See, for example, the difference between what the Rangers got for Tex and what the Braves got for him a year later. Or what the Indians got for CC or the Twins for Johan.

    No one wants to give up top level players for a guy that they then either have to give a huge contract to or know they can’t sign.

  84. Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    blake – What they should do is one of each… they have enough prospects to get a couple guys… but don’t blow it up, just try for one. Gordon seems to be the cheapest option, so that gives him an edge, IMO. But any of Gordon/Headley/Upton is good. Just get one and don’t give up more than 4-5 players to get one.

    Then… sign Hamilton. :D

    Now, you’re ready for today and tomorrow!

  85. blake November 5th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Shame,

    Get ALL the good players!

  86. Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Chips point about Cano is spot on, btw… at this point, they should have either been trying to extend him sooner or shopping him sooner. But with only one year left on that deal, your options are severely limited.

  87. Tyler November 5th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Donald Trump and Mark Cuban had a huge twitter argument earlier today. Hilarious.

  88. mick November 5th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    Yankee philosophy is : If you are in the Majors, you are a good ballplayer.
    They already have their big ticket items…

  89. Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    blake – That’s more like it!!

    See…. we have the ability to compromise (something Team Greedy rarely gets credit for). :D

  90. Chip November 5th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    blake November 5th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    Signing Hamilton and trading Granderson does two things….. It helps short term and it potentially allows them to their prospects.
    ———————

    I’m half with you. I certainly trade Granderson.

  91. blake November 5th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    “I’m half with you. I certainly trade Granderson.”

    You have to replace him in the lineup before you can trade him…..he did hit 40 and drive in 100 last year

  92. Patrick November 5th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    Big problem with that plan…..you can’t trade for young talent….it’s not available

    I disagree. Yankees traded for Granderson and Swisher who were both below 30 and had team friendly contracts. They traded for Pineda who at the time was a young #2 with ace ceiling. Matt Latos, Trevor Cahill and Gio Gonzalez were traded last year. Justin Upton was on the trading block a few times, the D-backs never got an offer they liked.

  93. blake November 5th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    “I disagree. Yankees traded for Granderson and Swisher who were both below 30 and had team friendly contracts. They traded for Pineda who at the time was a young #2 with ace ceiling. Matt Latos, Trevor Cahill and Gio Gonzalez were traded last year. Justin Upton was on the trading block a few times, the D-backs never got an offer they liked.”

    Pitchers get traded…..position players that are young and good not nearly as much and when they are you pay through the nose for them……

  94. Tyler November 5th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    Patrick November 5th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
    Big problem with that plan…..you can’t trade for young talent….it’s not available

    I disagree. Yankees traded for Granderson and Swisher who were both below 30 and had team friendly contracts. They traded for Pineda who at the time was a young #2 with ace ceiling. Matt Latos, Trevor Cahill and Gio Gonzalez were traded last year. Justin Upton was on the trading block a few times, the D-backs never got an offer they liked.
    —————————————————————————–

    I don’t think 2010 Granderson and 2009 Swisher fit into the same definition of “young talent” as it is mostly used here. Swisher was a great trade via a salary dump. The rest of these guys all take trading young talent for different young talent. The best way is to develop your own.

  95. Yankee Trader November 5th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    Blake and Luis-

    Hamilton will not fit under the Yankees budget for this coming year. Did we see the Yankees go for an expensive right handed bat at the trading deadline-like Hanley Ramirez. No they got the Mariners to pay the bulk of Ichiro’s contract and got McGehee.

    The cost cutting has already started. They aren’t going all out and approaching another opening day payroll of nearly 210M, especially when the luxury tax for 2013 is still a hefty 42.5% of every dolllar over 178M-taxed at 2013 year end on the 40 man payroll, which will include 6M more for ARod on his 14th homer, and budgeted additions at the trading deadline. And were talking only about payroll not even AAV!

    They already have about 120M in the books for 8 players. We;; count on 6M more for ARod.

    Cano, Granderson and arb players get raises
    Kuroda 13.3M
    Rivera-10M +
    Pettitte 8-10M
    Ichiro or Hunter 8M +
    If you want Hamilton at 115M-that’s 23M
    Sign Hughes for 8M per you

    That could easily be 120 + 50[not counting Hamilton or trading Granderson] or 170M for 13 players!

    I’m still a proud member of Team Greedy, but I think I’ve seen the light. :)

  96. Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    Patrick – Who should we trade for besides those mentioned (Upton, Headley, Gordon, Olt)?

    Basically, you need someone that can replace 24/93, at minimum I’d think, which were Swisher’s HR/RBI numbers last year.

  97. mick November 5th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    It is almost impossible for the Yanks to get fair value in a trade.
    If we are dealing, other GM’s, unless they are stupid, think we are desperate and will try to take advantage.
    Even in the Montero deal, many think this was so, esp Jack Z.
    We need to find new trading partners, if they are out there.
    Only the stupid and desperate need apply.

  98. Chip November 5th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    blake November 5th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    “I’m half with you. I certainly trade Granderson.”

    You have to replace him in the lineup before you can trade him…..he did hit 40 and drive in 100 last year
    ————-

    Yeah but you don’t need Hamilton to do that. In Yankee stadium you don’t need to add a slugger to add a slugger – you add someone who hits 20-25HRs elsewhere and given the depth of the lineup and the dimensions of the park you’re going to get a bump of anywhere from 10 to 15 HRs.

    Take what we saw from Ichiro for example. In 230 ABs for the Yankees he hit 5 homeruns, compared to the 4 he hit in nearly twice that number for Seattle. Put Ichiro in RF all season for the Yankees and he’ll give you probably 15 to 20 HRs.

  99. Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    “I’m still a proud member of Team Greedy, but I think I’ve seen the light. :)

    No no, man, you have it all wrong. The Yankees can and have been seeing the light for a couple of years…. it’s our job to help the Evil Empire strike back!

    Come over to the dark side, Hal…..

  100. jacksquat November 5th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Kemp for Cano is possibly doable. If the Dodgers want a second baseman, they could value that more than a centerfielder. They are deeper in the minors in the OF. They could work out a contract with Cano simultaneously with the trade. I proposed Cano for Kemp + Castellanos earlier today. Throw in Gardner if they want more. Castellanos has played both 2B and 3B in the minors.

  101. Patrick November 5th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    The best way is to develop your own.

    This is true … Also the most difficult.

    I hate the situation the Yankees are in, this is clearly an aging team but still in must-win mode. And throw in the new luxury tax threshold which has jumped to the top of the list of goals.

    So now the goals are 1. get under the luxury tax 2. make it into the playoffs 3. get younger

    The main problem is that they are already paying star money to players who are no longer stars (A-rod, Tex). They can’t afford to add new veteran star players like Hamilton. Thus, I think it will be difficult for the Yankees to accomplish all of their goals for the next 5-6 seasons simply due to them being hamstrung by Teixeira and A-rod’s contracts.

  102. Yankee Trader November 5th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    New Post——————–>

    Shame I’ll see you on the other side-the dark side!

    Are you OK in NJ?

  103. Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    jacksquat November 5th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Kemp for Cano is possibly doable.

    —————

    Before Kemp signed his extension it was doable. Now, it would take utter ineptitude or sheer ignorance for the Dodgers to make that deal with Cano only under contract for one season. They’d have exclusive rights to negotiate with him first, but that’s it. Nothing would stop him from hitting the market if he wanted to.

  104. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 7th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

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