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Sitting, waiting, wishing

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 05, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Is anyone bored yet?

The offseason is technically a week old, but the Yankees have been in offseason mode for a little more than two weeks, and it’s always hard to be patient at a time like this. A few teams have pulled off trades (Heath Bell, Chris Young, Ervin Santana, Mike Aviles and manager John Farrell are on the move) and a few teams have locked up their own free agents ( the Dodgers and Brandon League, the Mariners and Hisashi Iwakuma, the Red Sox and David Ortiz) but the Yankees have yet to make much noise. All they’ve really done is plant the seeds.

Mariano Rivera has decided to come back. Hiroki Kuroda might accept his qualifying offer. Robinson Cano, Curtis Granderson and David Aardsam had their options picked up. The team has decided to give Cesar Cabral another look.

For now, though, we’re waiting for that first big splash. It could very well be Kuroda, who has until 5 p.m. on Friday to accept or decline his one-year, $13.3-million offer. It’s generally assumed that Nick Swisher and Rafael Soriano will decline, but this week is starting with a reasonable hope that a significant piece of the rotation will be added before the weekend.

There’s also this to look forward to: Baseball’s General Managers’ Meetings begin Wednesday in Indian Wells, Calif. Honestly, the GM Meetings are usually pretty quiet compared to the Winter Meetings — the offseason is too young for the free agent and trade markets to be perfectly clear — but the new free agent rules, and sweep-induced quick beginning to the offseason might open things up a little bit.

There’s at least a chance we’ll see some real activity this week.

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68 Responses to “Sitting, waiting, wishing”

  1. Yankee Trader November 5th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    Here’s a pretty good FA tracker site FA 1-175 listed by position:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/m.....kdown.html

  2. blake November 5th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    blake says:
    November 5, 2012 at 9:01 am
    MTU,

    Would love to have Gordon….not sure they can get him though

  3. 86w183 November 5th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    Good Morning gang!

    The Hot Stove League always gets off to a slower start. I doubt the Yanks do anything significant until they find out how the Qualifying offers turn out, what Pettitte wants to do and what it will take to get Mariano signed.

    To me the first priority after that would be to address the OF. I’d love to see Upton and Melky signed and then hit the trade market.

    Hopefully they can keep Ichiro, Ibanez and Chaves on hold for as long as possible until other things sort themselves out.

  4. Yankee Trader November 5th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    86w183-

    Not sold on BJ Upton, who by one article might get 13M X 4 years, since he’s one of the few FA OF’er under 29.

    Tell me why he’s any better, than Granderson, besides speed?

  5. Yankee Trader November 5th, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Blake-

    Would Hughes and Joba be able to get Gordon

  6. Yankee Trader November 5th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    From the above FA tracker. #1 was Greinke, #2 Hamilton

    3. B.J. Upton, OF: The class takes a Felix Baumgartner-sized drop from No. 2 to 3, and Upton grabs the position more by default than deed. What he can be – a power-hitting, base-stealing, walk-taking, ball-hawking superstar – is not what he is or has been. But at 28 years old, there remains time, and this is a bet that one of these days it’s all going to click in beautiful synchronicity

  7. 86w183 November 5th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    YT —

    Defensively Upton is a “9″ and Granderson is a “3″ as far as I’m concerned. BJ hit 28 HR this season so you don’t lose much power. His OBP is admittedly mediocre, but I want to get younger, more athletic and better defensively. Signing BJ Upton does that…. and it makes you the favorite for Justin Upton as a FA if you can’t trade for him.

    Granderson would be acceptable in RF, especially since his greatest weakness is going back on balls, and balls over the RF head in Yankee Stadium are HR most of the time.

    An OF of Melky, BJ and Granderson is better at all three positions than what the Yanks had last year. If Gardner is healthy he’s a great trade chip for a team looking for speed @ CF.

    If no BJ, Melky, Gardner and Granderson is also improving on the 2013 speed and defense.

  8. Yankee Trader November 5th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    86w183-

    Does Granderson have the aarm to play RF. Upton also strikes out a lot and his brother is not a FA for quite some time.

    Melky would be a much lower cost, albeit high risk option.

  9. Yankee Trader November 5th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    Justin Upton rf
    6 years/$51.25M (2010-15)

  10. 86w183 November 5th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Granderson is not a good RF arm, no.

    I’d rather see if Arizona likes him enough to make him part of a Justin Upton trade… or Colorado and Cargo…. or San Diego with Headley.

  11. Yankee Trader November 5th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Look at BJ Upton’s hit chart at Tropicana, where on turf his BA was 35 points higher than on grass, after looking at his splits for 2012.

    He’s a dead pull hitter.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/p.....b.j.-upton

    I need more selling on this Upton.

  12. Chip November 5th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    I said it last week and I’ll say it again – it’s a disgrace that the Yankees are only donating $500,000 to relief efforts. The organization has tons of money and has received tons of support not just from the city but from the people of the city – they could double or triple that amount without missing a beat.

    They could also open up the Yankee Stadium store and take all the sweatshirts, jackets, hats, gloves and donate all of those to the relief effort as well.

  13. blake November 5th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    -Sign Kuroda
    -Sign Pettite
    -Sigh Hughes (4/32)
    -Sign Hamilton (5/115)
    -Sign either Ichiro or Hunter
    -Shop Granderson for a 3B/SS prospect
    sign Mo
    -explore extension with Cano (don’t go past 6 years)
    -Explore Soria, Madson, and other options
    -look for a legit utility guy like Keppjnger or Scutero
    -Keep position player prospects

  14. Cashmoney November 5th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    the way Upton stands and the way he swings, he is helpless against pitch low and away. He is another mistake hitter who won’t make adjustments to his swing.

  15. blake November 5th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    “They could also open up the Yankee Stadium store and take all the sweatshirts, jackets, hats, gloves and donate all of those to the relief effort as well.”

    Could they make YS like a camp for the people who’s homes are gone and who have no power? I know they couldn’t probably fit them all but somebody needs to do something for these people who are freezing and starving.

  16. blake November 5th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    “Would Hughes and Joba be able to get Gordon”

    I kinda doubt it

  17. Chip November 5th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    Trader –

    I don’t think Hughes and Joba get the Yankees Gordon. Both pitchers are free agents after this year, I think in exchange for Gordon the Royals are going to want someone they can control for a few more years. Maybe Nova and Joba or Hughes and Robertson.

  18. Chip November 5th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    blake November 5th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    “They could also open up the Yankee Stadium store and take all the sweatshirts, jackets, hats, gloves and donate all of those to the relief effort as well.”

    Could they make YS like a camp for the people who’s homes are gone and who have no power? I know they couldn’t probably fit them all but somebody needs to do something for these people who are freezing and starving.
    —————–

    It’s an open air stadium so I don’t think that would help and it would require a lot of police to oversee the people who were there to make sure you don’t have stuff like what happened at the Super Dome during Katrina.

    Whatever the city and state are going to do they have to do it soon – this storm coming Wednesday is no joke, you can’t have people living in crippled houses when that hits.

  19. Yankee Trader November 5th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    Blake-
    Start at around 120M for the 8 players under contract:

    For you proposal add:

    Kuroda @ 13.3M
    Pettitte 8-10M
    Rivera 10M plus incentives
    Hamilton@ your 23M
    Hughes @ your 8M
    Hunter or Ichiro @ 8M
    Keppinger@ 5M

    Subtract granderson’s 15M-Yankkees find a sucker to take on all the money.

    Where are we at?

    120 + 60-62 or 180M already for a total 15 players.

  20. blake November 5th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    “It’s an open air stadium so I don’t think that would help and it would require a lot of police to oversee the people who were there to make sure you don’t have stuff like what happened at the Super Dome during Katrina.”

    Yea but they could put up tents and stuff ….probably not logistically possible but something needs to be done

  21. Chip November 5th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Anyone see Boras’s comments about the Yankees and Soriano?

    Essentially he said, “well the Yankees signed Raf 3 years ago when Mariano was younger to be his back-up, why wouldn’t they do it again now that he’s older and coming off injury?”

    Um…because hopefully the Yankees can learn from their mistakes.

  22. Yankee Trader November 5th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    14 players

  23. Chip November 5th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    blake November 5th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    “It’s an open air stadium so I don’t think that would help and it would require a lot of police to oversee the people who were there to make sure you don’t have stuff like what happened at the Super Dome during Katrina.”

    Yea but they could put up tents and stuff ….probably not logistically possible but something needs to be done
    ————–

    A better move would be to take some Yankee dollars and buy up hotel rooms in CT and Westchester and bus people there.

  24. blake November 5th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Trader,

    Yea something like that….but again the rules don’t change until next year ….and a lot of the money would be off the books by 2014

  25. Yankee Trader November 5th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Chip-

    I posted Boras’ comments this morning on the previous post. Typical “spiel” to drum up interest for his client.

    Hopefully not only the Steinbrenners, but the players will do more not only for the city, but the surrounding areas where many of the players live.

  26. Chip November 5th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Trader – I would be a big fan of Keppinger, but unless the Yankees are intent on making Alex the full time DH I don’t see him coming here. He’s going to want a starting job – I could see him winding up with the Phillies at 3b or Orioles at 2b.

  27. Chip November 5th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Yankee Trader November 5th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Chip-

    I posted Boras’ comments this morning on the previous post. Typical “spiel” to drum up interest for his client.

    Hopefully not only the Steinbrenners, but the players will do more not only for the city, but the surrounding areas where many of the players live.
    ————

    End of last week I posted my FA predictions sure to go wrong – I think Soriano winds up with Detroit.

  28. Yankee Trader November 5th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    Blake-

    I like your enthusiasm. However I think the Steinbrenners are already in cost cutting mode, unwilling to have another 210M payroll for 2013.

    So as I said before. There is a better chance of seeing this

    http://www.usatoday.com/intera.....e-tracker/

    than getting Hamilton.

    Sorry to disagree with you.

  29. Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    I think blake’s right on his point that if some of our cheapy players don’t pan out we aren’t hitting $189 anyway…

    Think about it this way… with our payroll this season, we were only one game better than the ORIOLES.

  30. Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    I’m annoyed by the Devils right now. There isn’t even hockey being played at The Rock and they’re in the middle of one of the hardest hit areas.. you’d think they’d open up the building so people could get some shelter and a decent meal. Instead, Cory Booker is inviting people to his house.

    Cory Booker is f*cking amazing.

  31. Tidrow November 5th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    I saw Ichiro was at the Knicks game yesterday afternoon. They showed him on the telecast and he was smiling. Could that be taken to mean he wants to come back? Do the Yankees want him back? I wouldn’t mind having him back. I think he still has alot to offer and don’t think it would take much to bring him back.

  32. Yankee Trader November 5th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    I dont’t think the Electoral college tracker came thru as was meant- a 269 tie. Oh well.

    Still don’t think the Yankees will bring aboard Hamilton, even if they trade Granderson.

    Have to go.

    Have a great day.

    For everyone affected by the storm, my thoughts go out to you and your families.

    For everyone-please contribute in any way you can to help relieve their suffering.

    Until later.

  33. Chip November 5th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    I don’t see the Yankees getting Hamilton.

    Consider that they were wary about dealing for Zack Greinke because they questioned whether he would mentally hold up under the NYY microscope, do you really think they want to invest heavily in Josh Hamilton with all his demons? Yes, this is the same organization that brought in Straw and Gooden – but those were not big money contracts like Hamilton would command.

    Also factor in Josh’s injury history and I just don’t see it as a fit.

    I think the team is far more likely to go with an OF of Granderson, Gardner and either Ichiro or Hunter (though I would go with both Ichiro and Hunter and dump Grandy or Gardy)

  34. Cashmoney November 5th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    if the cheapy player don’t plan out, yanks are most likely to get under 189 and roll with what they have. the chance of that being a championship team is not going to be great so in reality, 14 will be more of an retooling year or they can roll with what they have and see if they can make the playoff. I think the Yanks will benefit more if they take a step back. but I am pretty convince that Hal will want to stay below that numbers. I don’t think it’s posturing on any part of the Yankees, more reality.

  35. Chip November 5th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    I’m annoyed by the Devils right now. There isn’t even hockey being played at The Rock and they’re in the middle of one of the hardest hit areas.. you’d think they’d open up the building so people could get some shelter and a decent meal. Instead, Cory Booker is inviting people to his house.

    Cory Booker is f*cking amazing.
    —————

    I think the question is, would you rather have the police doing what they’re doing or playing chaperone to the people who would wind up at the Rock?

  36. Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Consider that they were wary about dealing for Zack Greinke because they questioned whether he would mentally hold up under the NYY microscope, do you really think they want to invest heavily in Josh Hamilton with all his demons?

    ——————-

    Do we know this was the real reason the Yankees didn’t pursue him?

    I think they just didn’t like the risk regarding his ability, not his mental make up.

  37. Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    I think the question is, would you rather have the police doing what they’re doing or playing chaperone to the people who would wind up at the Rock?
    ———————

    Right now they’re playing chaperone to a bunch of gas stations… not sure it would be less productive to have them in charge of keeping people warm and fed, but that’s just me. A lot of what happened during Katrina shouldn’t be the model for how we react. How we dealt with Katrina made me embarrassed to be a member of the human race.

  38. Chip November 5th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Consider that they were wary about dealing for Zack Greinke because they questioned whether he would mentally hold up under the NYY microscope, do you really think they want to invest heavily in Josh Hamilton with all his demons?

    ——————-

    Do we know this was the real reason the Yankees didn’t pursue him?

    I think they just didn’t like the risk regarding his ability, not his mental make up.
    ————-

    We’ve heard both – I don’t think we’ll ever know the real reasons. Even so, given Hamilton’s age, salary demands and injury history – I wouldn’t invest in him long term.

  39. austinmac November 5th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    It seems very likely to me that the team will go half way to $189M in payroll reduction this year. That avoids what would be a draconian cut, visible for all fans to see. That means old, cheap one year contract guys.

    No way they will spend on Hamilton. The off season is going to continue to be very boring with the main questions being who will return in the rotation.

    I now read to get the full benefits of below cap payroll, they must be under from 2014-2016. All those planning on spending in the near future can forget it.

  40. Against All Odds November 5th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Once it became apparent that the Royals would grant his trade request, Greinke apparently had a change of heart. SI’s Jon Heyman tells the story. It all started at the Winter Meetings.

    But when he and Yankees general manager Brian Cashman met clandestinely in Orlando (Greinke’s hometown) at an off-site location during the winter meetings, Greinke’s desperation not to endure yet another losing season in Kansas City was such that he is said to have tried to convince Cashman that he wanted to come to New York. And that he could actually thrive in New York.

    However, people who were briefed on that meeting said Cashman ultimately decided that Greinke’s first thought about New York was probably correct — that it wasn’t the best spot for him. Greinke told people the day he accepted his Cy Young Award in New York City that he didn’t think he could ever live in New York, and kept telling friends the same. But as the days dwindled this winter, he made his surprise plea to Cashman to make him a Yankee.

    http://riveraveblues.com/2011/.....ade-44023/

  41. Against All Odds November 5th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    I now read to get the full benefits of below cap payroll, they must be under from 2014-2016

    ——————-

    Yes everyone focus on just 2014 when in reality it would always be beyond that yr.

  42. Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    austinmac November 5th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    It seems very likely to me that the team will go half way to $189M in payroll reduction this year. That avoids what would be a draconian cut, visible for all fans to see. That means old, cheap one year contract guys.

    ———————

    True… and that point about 2014-2016 is accurate. I think the thing we need to frame it with is we only have a few players (albeit expensive ones) signed through those years. CC, Tex, and Arod are the only ones, correct?

  43. Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    “Even so, given Hamilton’s age, salary demands and injury history – I wouldn’t invest in him long term.”

    I don’t think we will either, Chip, but I prefer the strategy of spending with money as opposed to prospects. That being said, it’s unlikely they do either lol.

    We’ll see Ichi/Granderson/Gardner/Hunter, Chavez or someone similar as the back-up 3B, and Ibanez on our bench. Status quo will be the model of this team for a while.

  44. Cashmoney November 5th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    I was thinking of a few years Mac, if that’s the case, I won’t have a big problem if we can develop talents and use those years as transitional period to get em acclimated to the show. ultimately, that might benefit the team down the road. it’s zero and sum for me, if we can’t put together a championship caliber team, I don’t care if they are in last place. at least you get a chance a premium positional talents.

  45. blake November 5th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    Screw the payroll

  46. 86w183 November 5th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    Getting to $ 189 M is not that difficult, but contending at $ 189 M depends upon inexpensive players coming through.

    The Yanks were at $ 209 M last year…. If Soriano opts out and Swisher departs that’s $ 20 M in savings right there. If they go cheap behind the plate they save another $ 7.5 M.

    Garcia and Feliciano go.. another $ 7.5 M. And we still have calculated any savings on paying Rivera less let alone trading Granderson.

    they just have to make smarter decisions on where/when to spend and where/when to go low-cost. If they make mostly good decisions they’ll be fine.

    the drive to $ 189 M dramatically reduces the Yankees margin of error, financially, that’s all.

  47. Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    blake November 5th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    Screw the payroll
    ——————

    I agree.

  48. Cashmoney November 5th, 2012 at 10:42 am

    the way i see it, the window is open for 13 to go for it all… after that, too many uncertainty about this team, rationally, they will benefit by retooling or rebuilding imo. it allows a time frame for the low A guys to develop, it allow trade opportunity to rise when you are normally aren’t in the best position to trade away your better pieces when you are contending. and in reality, it allow hal and the Yankee to take less luxury tax hit and for it to reset. all those above reasons make it seem reasonable to retool rather than the scenario where Yanks import mass talent replacements via FA and trades which they are doing it for 2 yrs.

  49. Cashmoney November 5th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    blake, they are not going to… you keep on thinking that they will. we will just have to see.

  50. Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    I hope that Kuroda story is being thrown out there so they offer him more money lol… I don’t see us saving much on our pitchers this year.

  51. Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Andy will also want a raise.

  52. Jerkface November 5th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    Getting to $ 189 M is not that difficult, but contending at $ 189 M depends upon inexpensive players coming through.

    The Yanks were at $ 209 M last year…. If Soriano opts out and Swisher departs that’s $ 20 M in savings right there. If they go cheap behind the plate they save another $ 7.5 M.

    Once again I point out that 189 is not ‘opening day payroll’ but End of Year payroll+benefits+bonuses as calculated by AAV, not the actual amount you’re paying each year. Getting to 189 actually is difficult precisely because they need inexpensive players to come through.

  53. Cashmoney November 5th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    one way yanks can get out this financial conundrum they are in is by supply within or acquiring cheap talent via trades. which means it will take time. the other unrealistic scenario is to trade tex or be able to dump arod’s salary in full on someone which is not happening.

  54. 86w183 November 5th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Andy got paid $ 200 K a start. That seems more than reasonable to me.

    “Screw the payroll” is a great attitude, but it ain’t happening, so we might as well focus on improving while saving money…. it’s not impossible.

    Nova and Phelps are really important parts to putting together an affordable pitching staff.

    I would have let Granderson’s option go and saved $ 13 M. We’ll see if picking it up pays off.

  55. Cashmoney November 5th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    You could see it coming… the need for retooling and rebuilding… this by assessing their current mandate, by the way system severely punishes consistent winners.. by state of the Yankee minor league system. 1-3 years of rebuilding is almost a must and a need for the system to restock and to put forth a championship caliber team with financial flexibility to acquire needed pieces.

  56. DONNYBROOK November 5th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    The $189 Mill for 3yrs means you deal Cano NOW. You think Cano is gonna take settle for Less $$$, and length of contract, than Hamilton is gonna get? Put a package together of Cano, Nova, Hughes, Phelps, (any 2 of the 3 SP’s needed) Grandy, and Bushers, maybe have to throw in some $$$ to help cover Grandy’s salary. The Yanks get J Upton, Hill, and Headley. Sign Ichiro, Sign Pettitte, sign Kuroda, and then see how much\$$$ and how long a contract for Napoli.

  57. Cashmoney November 5th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    I don’t see the making of a championship caliber team if the Yanks decide to stay status quo.
    Then the question really come down to, do cashman keep one eye open for the future and be brave enough to trade veterans for other ppl’s top 15 prospects? will the Yankees be better off to trade Mo, Jeter, Pettite, Kuroda or any other pieces that have good value to other teams? or do they make a playoff and be exposed to the same the problem we have had for 3 years.

  58. Bronx Jeers November 5th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    Getting to 189 actually is difficult precisely because they need inexpensive players to come through.

    ————————-

    Or in the case of ARod, for expensive players to suck.

    The latter seems more likely. :sad:

  59. blake November 5th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    “Screw the payroll” is a great attitude, but it ain’t happening, so we might as well focus on improving while saving money…. it’s not impossible.”

    Where there is a will there is an A

  60. Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    86w183 November 5th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Andy got paid $ 200 K a start. That seems more than reasonable to me.
    ———————

    C’mon 86, you know things don’t work like this. It’s the same with people saying Mo shouldn’t get $10 million or something because he was hurt this year. Yeah, he was hurt, yeah he’s old, yeah he’s expensive… but yeah, he’s the best closer to ever play the game and I’d love to watch the Yankees try to tell him what he’s ‘worth’.

    I’m sure the way Andy sees it, he gave the Yanks a break. The guy signed for half of what Freddy Garcia made last season and I doubt he takes less this year.

  61. blake November 5th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    I support the “offense is fine ” approach to 2013……there were a lot of nights this summer that it helped me get to sleep ….kept me well rested

  62. 86w183 November 5th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    Shame —-

    Did you not see the Jeter situation play out? The Bernie Williams or Jorge Posada situations?

    The Yanks are not giving every player everything they want no matter what.

    No, I don’t see Pettitte getting dramatically more guaranteed money. And I don’t see Rivera getting $ 15 M guaranteed either.

    Pettitte didn’t give the Yaknees a break. He waited too long and settled for what was left. Doesn’t mean he gets the same original offer he got last fall. He’s made 12 starts in the last two years and turns 41 in June. How much would YOU give him?

  63. jacksquat November 5th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    I’d offer Pettitte 5-7 + incentives (innings pitched or starts made) that can take it up to around 10-12.

    Mo a similar type deal.

    These guys are going to be 41/43 and didn’t pitch a lot last year, they can’t reasonably expect big base salaries.

  64. Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    86 – Less than CC, more than Freddy. Somewhere in there.

    I don’t expect more than 80 regular season innings from Andy either, but he’d probably be worth at least $5 million to someone as a vet lefty starter. Double what his salary was last year (I think it was just $2 million). Might be more, quite frankly.

    And I’d give Mo $15. I really don’t care, I’d give him $15. What motivation do I have to care about what they make? I’d give Jeter whatever he wanted too, if he kept up at this rate – I think the Yanks are/were just praying he’d fall off on his own. And I hope they tell Mo to shop his services…. I’d loveeeee to see that. It was gross when they did it to Jeter, more disgusting was what they did to Jorgie, and I’d love to see them try that sh*t with Mo and act like they’d depend on Robertson (coming off a down year) to close.

    I can’t say there’s no limit, but these guys know more than anyone what their value is. They also know what the Yankees value is and their personal value relative to that. If Mo told 30 teams today he’s ready to sign a one year deal at $15, you’d have takers besides the Yankees, IMO. A one year pact for the best closer ever? I don’t care what injury he’s coming off of, if I’m Boston I sign him. What about Detroit? Think they could use the best closer ever? The Angels? they had some pen issues, no? One year guys like Kuroda and Mo should rake. They are low risk, high reward moves for the short term.

  65. Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    squat – Fair, of course, but the Yanks have to budget those incentives in anyway.. you can’t just assume they won’t hit them for luxury tax purposes, so in that regard I don’t see much of a difference between giving them a higher or lower base. Either way, you need to prepare that they will hit their bonuses and drive up your total spending.

  66. Shame Spencer November 5th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Ugh.. now I gotta repost this mess :arrow:

  67. Chip November 5th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    By the way – just to get back to the Yankee donation of $500,000…Dwayne Wade donated his game check from playing the Knicks Friday night – that was $207,000.

  68. 86w183 November 5th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Shame —-

    You seem like a brilliant business person. Give every employee everything they want. THAT’S a recipe for success for certain.

    I’m pragmatic, not emotional about such things. I agree with the alleged Cashman comment to Jeter during negotiations, “How much higher than the best offer do we have to go?”

    You really think Pettitte and Rivera might pitch elsewhere in 2013? I sure don’t.

    It’s romantic to think every career is going to end with a “Kumbaya” moment.When aging players insist on more $$ and more years and ownership has a limit to the lifetime achievement rewards feelings get hurt and egos get bruised.

    I hope it doesn’t happen with Rivera, Pettitte and Jeter (again), but I bet it does.


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