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The state of the 40-man roster

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 06, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

With the free agents gone and the injured players activated, the current Yankees 40-man roster has 31 players and plenty of room to grow. I really haven’t done a lot of digging into the Rule 5 eligible players, but a very quick glance suggests there aren’t a ton of guys who absolutely must be protected. However, there are a lot of big league spots that absolutely must be filled between now and Opening Day.

Here’s the current 40-man roster, with obvious room to add some names in the next three to four months.

STARTING PITCHERS (7)
Dellin Betances
Phil Hughes
Ivan Nova
David Phelps
Michael Pineda
CC Sabathia
Adam Warren

Of these seven, Sabathia and Hughes are the best bets for the Opening Day rotation. Betances and Pineda are pretty easy to eliminate as Opening Day options (Betances because of his performance, Pineda because of his health). That leaves a three-man murky middle of Nova, Phelps and Warren. All three could be seen as legitimate trade bait, and all three could be seen as potential fifth-starter competition. Phelps, in particular, could also be seen as a potential reliever. I would bet that at least three to five names will be added to this group (prospect Brett Marshall headlining the Rule 5 eligible guys, plus at least a couple of free agents to plug the holes in the rotation).

RELIEF PITCHERS (7)
David Aardsma
Cesar Cabral
Joba Chamberlain
Cody Eppley
Boone Logan
Clay Rapada
Dave Robertson

At some point, Mariano Rivera will be added to this list, and an Opening Day bullpen made entirely from this group — with either Cabral or Rapada as the second lefty, and Rivera inserted as closer – wouldn’t be the worst bullpen in the world. In fact, it would be fairly similar to the one that pitched so well through much of this season. Adding another option certainly wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world, but the bullpen probably isn’t the biggest concern at the moment.

CATCHERS (4)
Francisco Cervelli
Austin Romine
Chris Stewart
Eli Whiteside

It’s a safe bet that one catcher will be added to this mix, either Russell Martin himself or a Russell Martin replacement. Romine seems to be healthy again, and Cervelli, Stewart and Whiteside are each legitimate backups, but it’s hard to imagine the Yankees going into a season with only these options behind the plate.

INFIELDERS (8)
David Adams
Robinson Cano
Derek Jeter
Corban Joseph
Jayson Nix
Eduardo Nunez
Alex Rodriguez
Mark Teixiera

Unless the Yankees make an unexpected trade, the starting infield is right here. Teixeira, Cano, Rodriguez and Jeter are coming back for another season, and all that’s left to do is figure out the bench and fill in the edges. A guy like Eric Chavez could certainly come back to play a bench role again, but it’s still unknown whether Chavez wants to play again. Nix could be a non-tender candidate, but given Jeter’s injury, my guess is that the Yankees will keep him. And if Jeter’s recovery doesn’t go as expected, the Yankees might have to find room here for another regular shortstop who could slide into a utility role down the road.

OUTFIELDERS (5)
Zoilo Almonte
Chris Dickerson
Brett Gardner
Curtis Granderson
Melky Mesa

Two everyday big leaguers, two minor league prospects, and one bench player who would have to hit his way into more playing time if given the opportunity. Without Nick Swisher, Ichiro Suzuki or Raul Ibanez, the Yankees have a clear hole in their outfield which will certainly be addressed this offseason. It’s a good bet that at least one and probably two outfielders will be added at some point, someone to play right field and someone to help out at DH and in the corners.

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155 Responses to “The state of the 40-man roster”

  1. Jerkface November 6th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    One of stewart/whiteside has to be DFA’d.

  2. The Return of Stoneburner November 6th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    jacksquat November 6th, 2012 at 11:47 am
    Do we really need 100 posts every day about Hamilton?

    ******

    Is Hamilton the new Montero for the lohud???

  3. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Repost:

    Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    ac1 November 6th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    We’re actually losing 60+ HRs and like 200 RBIs if we move Granderson because Swish will also be taking his party elsewhere.
    ____

    It’s not like you are leaving their positions blank. You’d be replacing them and yes losing some power but verly likely increasing the hits and the OBP.

    —————–

    Hunter and Ichiro aren’t those guys, though. They simply can’t and won’t make up for the production you lose with Swisher and Granderson.

    Like I said before, I don’t mind replacing some of our guys with less productive players, but at least make them player with upside instead of those trending downward.

  4. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Jerkface November 6th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    One of stewart/whiteside has to be DFA’d.

    ———————-

    Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Then we won’t have three of the top 150 catchers in Major League Baseball.

  5. The Return of Stoneburner November 6th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    (prospect Brett Marshall headlining the Rule 5 eligible guys, plus at least a couple of free agents to plug the holes in the rotation).

    ******

    As much as it can be – Marshall represents a source of redemption for the 2008 draft class – where Geritt Cole went unsigned. Of course Marshall and Phelps – both refugees from that ill-fated draft class – making an impact with the Yankees would be a nice epilogue to that draft.

  6. ac1 November 6th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    I would get behind a bridge year…..

  7. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    blake November 6th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Trading for Upton and Headley sounds wonderful until you try to figure out how they can actually do that in real life

    —————-

    Oh ye of little faith… shall I post the list of The Expendables again?

  8. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner November 6th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    jacksquat November 6th, 2012 at 11:47 am
    Do we really need 100 posts every day about Hamilton?

    ******

    Is Hamilton the new Montero for the lohud???

    —————

    I think people would prefer discussing Hamilton at this point… though the blog trends in funny ways at times.

    During the Montero debate, I recall longing for the days of the Joba to the rotation ruminations..

    I still maintain the worst never-ending blog discussion was centered on Cliff Lee.

    Perhaps we need another round of superlatives..

  9. blake November 6th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    ******

    “Is Hamilton the new Montero for the lohud???”

    Nah cause I’m one of like 5 people who want them to consider him…..the majority here didn’t want to trade Montero

  10. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    blake – No worries broski, we wouldn’t need to discuss Hamilton right now if they would have listened to us last year and signed Beltran to that sweet deal.

  11. The Return of Stoneburner November 6th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    blake November 6th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
    ******

    “Is Hamilton the new Montero for the lohud???”

    Nah cause I’m one of like 5 people who want them to consider him…..the majority here didn’t want to trade Montero

    ****

    Ahh yes – but the frequency of Hamilton being raised is the question – not the number of posters – you can have 5 posters in favor – but if they are posters on the blog for a majority of the time in the offseason – the ratio can be similar – - – -

  12. The Return of Stoneburner November 6th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Future hot topics will include when is the right time to bring up Mark Montgomery – - – -

  13. blake November 6th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    Shame Spencer says:
    November 6, 2012 at 12:06 pm
    blake – No worries broski, we wouldn’t need to discuss Hamilton right now if they would have listened to us last year and signed Beltran to that sweet deal.

    Or Matt Holliday 3 years ago

  14. blake November 6th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner says:
    November 6, 2012 at 12:07 pm
    Future hot topics will include when is the right time to bring up Mark Montgomery – – – -

    Maybe September

  15. DONNYBROOK November 6th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    Cano\Nunez for J Upton\Hill. Phelps\Nova or Hughes\Bushers for Headley.

  16. The Return of Stoneburner November 6th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    blake November 6th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
    The Return of Stoneburner says:
    November 6, 2012 at 12:07 pm
    Future hot topics will include when is the right time to bring up Mark Montgomery – – – -

    Maybe September

    ****

    I think it begins in earnest in June – and there will be a debate whether he is ready or not from those who attend AA Trenton and AAA Scranton games – - – -it could become heated – - – -

  17. blake November 6th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    They shouldn’t rush montgery or start his arb clock early unless they have to…..hopefully the or will be strong enough so that they can bring him up in Septeber to turn a good pen into an awesome one

  18. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    If he comes up in Sept, it wouldn’t start his arb clock early? I dunno how anything works.

  19. blake November 6th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Shame Spencer says:
    November 6, 2012 at 12:18 pm
    If he comes up in Sept, it wouldn’t start his arb clock early? I dunno how anything works.

    Nah September call ups basically don’t count towards anything

  20. DONNYBROOK November 6th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    Should be playing to Win. A clock has Nothing to do with that.

  21. austinmac November 6th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    Future post topics will be whether McGehee or Pearce were better than the new roster additions. Isn’t that more interesting than talking about a 40 homer guy?

    For the record, I wish they would consider Hamilton. The reality is it will never be considered as he is far, far too expensive. However, McGehee is on the market again. He had a good year in 2008.

  22. Against All Odds November 6th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    True they won’t even think or look at Hamilton. He the Ms paid a good portion of Ichiro’s contract and that was only for what half the season.

  23. austinmac November 6th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    What I don’t get about the one year contract concept is what about 2014? They cannot perceive many, if any, of the young players will be available by then. So, more one year contracts then as well?

    I say they try to do something about it this year. Trade those who will depart for young players, sign a free agent or two in replacement. The team is still competitive, they got younger with the trades and they really haven’t spent more money, or at least not much more.

  24. The Return of Stoneburner November 6th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    Agents say the Yankees are approaching free agency slowly, Jayson Stark of ESPN.com reports (on Twitter). New York appears to be waiting for the upcoming GM Meetings and to see if a free agent such as Rafael Soriano or Nick Swisher accepts a qualifying offer. Soriano, Swisher and Hiroki Kuroda have until Friday to accept or decline the Yankees’ offers.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#z7AwODWJ6G9bMyOm.99

  25. blake November 6th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    “Agents say the Yankees are approaching free agency slowly, Jayson Stark of ESPN.com reports (on Twitter”

    The prices make Cashman want to cry Im sure…..

  26. Against All Odds November 6th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    So, more one year contracts then as well?

    ———————–

    More than likely. Outside of 09 they have been patching it together except for the Granderson trade.

  27. Against All Odds November 6th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    They should at least make a run at Soria

  28. blake November 6th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Love the idea of Soria if its one year and its fairly cheap

  29. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    austinmac November 6th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    What I don’t get about the one year contract concept is what about 2014? They cannot perceive many, if any, of the young players will be available by then. So, more one year contracts then as well?

    —————-

    Yeah… I think the other issue, besides the obvious fact that you’d need to replace player X, is that you don’t know what the costs will be next off season.

    Does the FA market for OFers next year look any better?

  30. tucker November 6th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    The way I see it, the Yanks can take one of three approaches:

    1. Spend their way out and 189 be damned.
    2. Continue to sign one-year deals with veterans and hope the young guys can eventually supplement the aging core. This is a defensive approach. It could be a recipe for an implosion as the vets performance continues to decline and potential prospects fizzle.

    3. Take charge of their future by trading tradeable assets (cano, Grandy, Hughes) for young position players (think AAA or promising 1- 2-year players now in MLB). This approach gives u a bit of flexibility, maybe allows u to sign a free agent bat. It also helps develop a new core of young players in case the Williams and Austins don’t pan out.

  31. DONNYBROOK November 6th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    Yanks need to shed every dollar possible on A-Rod, and get younger by dealing Cano. Grandy has value, but that $15 Mill he gets makes him difficult to peddle for 1 season.

  32. DONNYBROOK November 6th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    Yanks would need a year 2 option on Soria. The surgery makes his performance iffy in year 1.

  33. Jerkface November 6th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    @dylanohernandez: Brandon League’s deal with the #Dodgers could be worth as much as $33.5 million.

    With numbers like this, Soriano should get paid

  34. blake November 6th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    The Dodgers are crazy

  35. DONNYBROOK November 6th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    Cashman is holding his breath that just 1 team offers Soriano a 2yr deal. Dodgers have been making stupid moves for several months now, so they can Not be looked at as any kind of model.

  36. Jerkface November 6th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    Cashman shouldn’t hold his breath, contract negotiations take more than a week & teams will wait for the winter meetings to see what shakes out. Soriano will have to wait at least that long to see what is out there. He is going to decline.

  37. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    The Dodgers are going to offer Cano a deal in the $250 million area….. what the hell is going on over there?! IN THIS ECONOMY!!

  38. jacksquat November 6th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    blake November 6th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
    The Dodgers are crazy

    That’s why we should see what they’ll trade us for Cano, if he won’t agree to a reasonable contract extension. The could be in love with him and trade us Kemp (better contract than Cano, only through his age 34 season) plus a prospect or two. Worth exploring. I’d much rather have Kemp than Hamilton.

  39. jacksquat November 6th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    Jerkface November 6th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
    @dylanohernandez: Brandon League’s deal with the #Dodgers could be worth as much as $33.5 million.

    With numbers like this, Soriano should get paid

    They should have just waited for Soriano.

  40. DONNYBROOK November 6th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Cano\Nunez FOR Hill\ J Upton

  41. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    For anyone that still isn’t sure who they’re voting for, here is a 2 minute recap of the entire campaign lol: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/vid.....inutes.cnn

  42. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    squat – I had posted a reply to you a few threads back from yesterday… Cano for Kemp doesn’t happen. The Dodgers made a crazy trade this year but they were still for players under long term deal.. they aren’t dealing someone already on a solid long term deal for one season of Cano, it’s too much risk if they can’t get a deal done.

    That being said, if they were crazy enough to give us Kemp for one year of Cano, I’d totally be with you.

  43. jacksquat November 6th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
    The Dodgers are going to offer Cano a deal in the $250 million area….. what the hell is going on over there?! IN THIS ECONOMY!!

    ???

  44. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    jacksquat November 6th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
    The Dodgers are going to offer Cano a deal in the $250 million area….. what the hell is going on over there?! IN THIS ECONOMY!!

    ???

    —————–

    Sarcasm.

    The Dodgers will go hard for Cano though, if he ends up an FA. A few teams will but my money is on them to spend big.

  45. jacksquat November 6th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
    squat – I had posted a reply to you a few threads back from yesterday… Cano for Kemp doesn’t happen. The Dodgers made a crazy trade this year but they were still for players under long term deal.. they aren’t dealing someone already on a solid long term deal for one season of Cano, it’s too much risk if they can’t get a deal done.

    I still don’t understand how you don’t understand… what risk?

    In a Cano for Kemp deal, the Dodgers would not trade for one year of Cano, they would have a negotiating window to try to agree to a contract with Cano. If they can, the trade happens, if they can’t, no trade. No problem. That is a pretty normal trade practice. Are you thinking it might insult the players or something?

  46. ac1 November 6th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    Cashman is holding his breath that just 1 team offers Soriano a 2yr deal. Dodgers have been making stupid moves for several months now, so they can Not be looked at as any kind of model.
    ___

    Why? Worst case he accepts the arbitration and is back for 1/13 which is just about 800K more than he would have made this year anyway. Plus, Rivera will be back.

  47. ac1 November 6th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    That being said, if they were crazy enough to give us Kemp for one year of Cano, I’d totally be with you.
    ____

    Maybe if they worked out a deal with Cano it wouldnt have to be a 1 year deal.

  48. blake November 6th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    @LoHudYankees: Slade Heathcott named Player of the Week in the Arizona Fall League.

  49. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    In a Cano for Kemp deal, the Dodgers would not trade for one year of Cano, they would have a negotiating window to try to agree to a contract with Cano. If they can, the trade happens, if they can’t, no trade. No problem. That is a pretty normal trade practice. Are you thinking it might insult the players or something?

    ——————

    Well.. yeah, no trade no problem, but no help either. Right?

    You can try to get the deal done, but all it does is make Kemp scratch his head at the Dodgers, and assure you Cano isn’t biting on an extension. The risk comes for the Dodgers who are putting a franchise player on the block on the huge risk that Cano doesn’t want to negotiate less than 12 months before he’s an FA. The Dodgers could just wait and have them both. It sure looks like they don’t mind spreading the wealth and they have nothing to worry about in 2014. It’s less of a risk for them to just keep Kemp and sign Cano… isn’t it? That’d certainly be a better strategic move.

  50. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    ac1 November 6th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    That being said, if they were crazy enough to give us Kemp for one year of Cano, I’d totally be with you.
    ____

    Maybe if they worked out a deal with Cano it wouldnt have to be a 1 year deal.

    —————-

    The Yankees you mean? If they work out a deal with Cano they’d probably have every incentive to keep him since it would be a deal they’d be happy with… presumably.

  51. jacksquat November 6th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    The Yankees like Russell Martin a lot, but won’t overpay to keep him, Olney writes.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#SHqufRo073JbSCt5.99

    The word “overpay” here is key.

  52. Duh Innings II November 6th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....PDGsJpJLKK

    NO to two years of Torii Hunter. ‘Nice he hit over .300 and posted .360+ OBP last year, but he’s old. One year.

    DFA Whiteside. Stewart was a solid backup for Martin in 2012. I’m guessing the Yanks picked up Whiteside in case they can’t land David Ross or re-sign Martin.

  53. ac1 November 6th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    Meant the Dodgers in a Kemp-Cano trade. Dont see why they would trade Kemp if they have the money to have both. Three years ago i was on the Cano side of the Kemp-Cano talk, but now im leaning Kemp if Cano is asking for 10/250 like Pujols.

  54. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    ac1 November 6th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    Meant the Dodgers in a Kemp-Cano trade. Dont see why they would trade Kemp if they have the money to have both. Three years ago i was on the Cano side of the Kemp-Cano talk, but now im leaning Kemp if Cano is asking for 10/250 like Pujols.

    ————-

    With Kemp committed to what actually looks like a reasonable deal all things considered, I think that ship has sailed. ….and I think the Dodgers are going crazy and will sign ALL the players.

    I could see Texas being in on Cano as well..

  55. ac1 November 6th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    DFA Whiteside. Stewart was a solid backup for Martin in 2012. I’m guessing the Yanks picked up Whiteside in case they can’t land David Ross or re-sign Martin._
    _____________

    Still, this one made no sense. They weren’t going to use Stewart and Whiteside. Hoping Romine puts on a show in spring training. Dont get the David Ross love either. I’d be just as happy with Romine/Cervelli. (If Romine is ready). Spend the money elsewhere.

  56. jacksquat November 6th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    The Dodgers have to be getting close to a limit, I don’t think they could just tack on Cano to what they already have (Gonzalez, Kemp, Crawford, Beckett, Ramirez, Ethier, Kershaw, etc.).

  57. ac1 November 6th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    The Dodgers have to be getting close to a limit, I don’t think they could just tack on Cano to what they already have (Gonzalez, Kemp, Crawford, Beckett, Ramirez, Ethier, Kershaw, etc.).

    ___

    Would be happy to take Kershaw and Hanley off their hands.

  58. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    I thought the Dodgers were still sitting well below $160 million…..

  59. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    Is this accurate?:

    RK PLAYER Salary (US$)
    1 Adrian Gonzalez 21,857,143
    2 Josh Beckett 17,000,000
    3 Hanley Ramirez 15,000,000
    4 Andre Ethier 10,950,000
    5 Joe Blanton 10,500,000
    6 Matt Kemp 10,250,000
    7 Shane Victorino 9,500,000
    8 Bobby Abreu 9,000,000
    9 Juan Uribe 8,295,911
    10 Clayton Kershaw 7,750,000
    11 Brandon League 5,000,000
    12 Matt Guerrier 4,711,499
    13 Juan Rivera 4,000,000
    Aaron Harang 4,000,000
    15 Chris Capuano 3,000,000
    16 Mark Ellis 2,500,000
    17 Randy Choate 1,500,000
    Nick Punto 1,500,000
    19 Jamey Wright 900,000
    20 Matt Treanor 850,000
    21 Kenley Jansen 491,000
    22 A.J. Ellis 490,000
    23 Dee Gordon 485,000

  60. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    Ugh… formatting nightmare…

  61. blake November 6th, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    Cots has the Dodgers 2013 payroll at 193 million ALREADY!

    The Yanks currently have 131 million on the books for 2013

  62. blake November 6th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    The dodgers will have a higher payroll in 2013 than the Yankees..

  63. DONNYBROOK November 6th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    With the Yanks getting MO back, there is Absolutely NO need for Soriano and his $13.3 Mill salary. Robertson has the set-up role covered. NO WAY Cashman wants Soriano back.

  64. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    blake November 6th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    The dodgers will have a higher payroll in 2013 than the Yankees..

    —————–

    They can really bust it open… how many years do they need to be above $189 to feel the heat of the 50% luxury tax?

  65. blake November 6th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    “They can really bust it open… how many years do they need to be above $189 to feel the heat of the 50% luxury tax?”

    My understanding is immediately

  66. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    I still see them moving Beckett..

  67. Jerkface November 6th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    They can really bust it open… how many years do they need to be above $189 to feel the heat of the 50% luxury tax?

    3 or 4

  68. DONNYBROOK November 6th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    Dodgers are desperately attempting to dump Ethier. That looks to be Priority 1.

  69. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    blake – No I don’t think so.. I think you need to be over for a few consecutive years to get to where the Yankees will be for 2014 if they go over $189. Other teams have wayyyy more flexibility since none approached the threshold before. I think.

  70. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    Jerkface November 6th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    They can really bust it open… how many years do they need to be above $189 to feel the heat of the 50% luxury tax?

    3 or 4

    ———————

    And now I know.

    Thank you JF, as always.

  71. tucker November 6th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    I dunno who would take Beckett. Maybe Theo … Though he is probably smarter than that.

  72. blake November 6th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    Shame,

    I misunderstood your question….JF is right

  73. blake November 6th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    So I think the Dodgers will blow past the limit for awhile…..we’ll see how long the owners wanna play that game

  74. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    blake November 6th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    So I think the Dodgers will blow past the limit for awhile…..we’ll see how long the owners wanna play that game

    ——————

    I think they have plenty of time to move some of those deals around… I dunno what the terms are on all of them the Ethier, Beckett, Victorino… could all probably be moved. I think Bobby’s $9 mil drops off after next year…

    They’re going to be my worst nightmare.

  75. tucker November 6th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    The Dodgers likely are seeking immediate ratings for their new cable deal. But they are going about it in a completely illogical manner. Too much instant gratification.

  76. Jerkface November 6th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    The Dodgers are acting totally awesome. Just dropping cash on everyone.

  77. 86w183 November 6th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Afternoon all —

    Don’t recall the last time the Yankees 40 man roster had nine vacancies.

    That’s a good thing as the hot stove league gets going.

    In three days we’ll know which if any players accept the qualifying offer. My guess is the only one in MLB that does is Kuroda. Nice raise for a solid season.

    I love the fact that Soria is interested in the Yanks. Of course it all depends on his financial demands/desires, but if’s healthy that’s a big time asset.

  78. blake November 6th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    Jerkface says:
    November 6, 2012 at 2:17 pm
    The Dodgers are acting totally awesome. Just dropping cash on everyone.

    Awesome but dumb at the same time though….

  79. Jerkface November 6th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    Yea, which is why I’d like to see the spend heavy mindset employed in a smart way. Like not spending 30 million dollars on relievers.

  80. DONNYBROOK November 6th, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    With the Dodgers you got Magic “Show Time”, and Peter Gruber “Golden Globes”. With those guys it’s all about Razz-Ma-Tazz\Marque Names. The success of the on-field product is secondary.

  81. Tyler November 6th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Brandon League, who has a career of 3.60 ERA and 60 career saves, gets up to 33.5 million? Soriano is getting another fat contract from some team.

  82. DONNYBROOK November 6th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    I believe the League deal is for 3 yrs. Avg a little over $11 Mill per to Close. The Yanks have offered Soriano $13.3 for 1 season to be a set-up man. Paying a set-up guy that kinda coin is ridiculous.

  83. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    Jerkface November 6th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    The Dodgers are acting totally awesome. Just dropping cash on everyone.

    ——————-

    Yeah, basically.

    Let’s play a game called, ‘What Would the Crazy Dodgers Give Cano?’ lol.

  84. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    Tyler November 6th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Brandon League, who has a career of 3.60 ERA and 60 career saves, gets up to 33.5 million?

    ——————

    These things just don’t trend backwards, as blake has said in the past.. everyone always gets paid more.

    Which is why anyone thinking that Cano will make less because of Pujols-like deals has it backwards.

  85. The Return of Stoneburner November 6th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    Under the new collective bargaining agreement, the luxury tax threshold will remain at $178 million for 2012 and 2013. In 2014, it will climb to $189 million.

    One notable change to the system in the CBA was the addition of punitive penalties. Repeat offenders will pay a higher tax each time. Teams are taxed for the dollars over the threshold. So if a team is $5 million over, the tax rate is applied to that figure, not the entire payroll.

    The tax rates for 2012 are such:

    First-time offenders: 20 percent
    Second-time offenders: 30 percent
    Third-time or more offenders: 42.5 percent

    Those rates change beginning in 2013:

    First-time offenders: 17.5 percent
    Second-time offenders: 30 percent
    Third-time offenders: 40 percent
    Four-time or more offenders: 50 percent

  86. The Return of Stoneburner November 6th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    The definition for “payroll” under the newest collective bargaining agreement is as follows: “Payrolls are for 40-man rosters and include averages of multiyear contracts; health and pension benefits; clubs medical costs; insurance; workman’s compensation, payroll, unemployment and Social Security taxes; spring training allowances; meal and tip money; All-Star game expenses; travel and moving expenses; postseason pay; and college scholarships.”

  87. Tyler November 6th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    These things just don’t trend backwards, as blake has said in the past.. everyone always gets paid more.
    ——————————————————

    This sounds like one of the reasons that hockey is currently locked out (along with the knucklehead leaders of both sides).

  88. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Tyler November 6th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    These things just don’t trend backwards, as blake has said in the past.. everyone always gets paid more.
    ——————————————————

    This sounds like one of the reasons that hockey is currently locked out (along with the knucklehead leaders of both sides).

    ———————

    Well…. the profits for the leagues rises every year. So it isn’t as if it’s not relative to revenue.

    Hockey, the 4th most popular sport in the US, still grosses upwards of 3 billion dollars a year.

    Sucks to be a soccer fan… if they could just find a way to fit commercials in during the game..

  89. DONNYBROOK November 6th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    Lucas just sold the Stars Wars, and Indy Jones franchises, along with his special effects studios for $4 Billion to Disney. Both the Hockey owners and players continue to diminish their importance in the sports world.

  90. 86w183 November 6th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    If the Dodgers are all hot and bothered about Robinson Cano there’s a potential deal to be made.

    They are overstuff with OF, but no true CF.

    Cano, Gardner, Rapada and Phelps for Billingsley, Ethier and Puig ???

  91. Tyler November 6th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    Shame-

    One of the big issues left in the lockout is that the players want the contracts that were signed to be honored. It basically comes down to some rather awful contracts signed that set the market unreasonably high.

  92. DONNYBROOK November 6th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    Billingsley is a ? after surgery. NO WAY

  93. Jerkface November 6th, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    He didn’t have surgery, but he does have a partially torn ligament so he is a huge risk.

  94. 86w183 November 6th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    I didn’t think he had surgery…. he rested four weeks and then pitched again.

    Maybe I missed something

  95. 86w183 November 6th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Well if it healed in a month enough for him to pitch it was a very slight tear indeed.

  96. jacksquat November 6th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
    Tyler November 6th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Brandon League, who has a career of 3.60 ERA and 60 career saves, gets up to 33.5 million?

    ——————

    These things just don’t trend backwards, as blake has said in the past.. everyone always gets paid more.

    Which is why anyone thinking that Cano will make less because of Pujols-like deals has it backwards.

    If that is the case, then the Yankees can let someone else pay that. Paying a player big money at age 38+ is going to work out badly most of the time.

  97. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    Tyler November 6th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    Shame-

    One of the big issues left in the lockout is that the players want the contracts that were signed to be honored. It basically comes down to some rather awful contracts signed that set the market unreasonably high.

    —————

    Which is of course, determined by the owners. I can’t blame guys for being pissed that they signed a deal for X dollars only to have the owners turn around and say ‘oh no, we’re really just going to give you 80% of that money.’

    Wanting a contract to be honored shouldn’t be a crazy demand it’s made out to be. But I’ve moved on already. I’m assuming there is no season and will just allow the holidays and LoHud to carry me to Spring Training.

    Halloween, Thanksgiving, Hanukkah/Christmas/Nondenominational Superficial Celebration, New Years, BASEBALL.

  98. DONNYBROOK November 6th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    My mistake. He went the A-Rod route and had the blood injections. Still NIX

  99. 86w183 November 6th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    Well, I’m cool with exploring trades… no matter…

    have a day folks… gotsta go

  100. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    If that is the case, then the Yankees can let someone else pay that. Paying a player big money at age 38+ is going to work out badly most of the time.

    —————–

    Cano is gonna get $200 million. I’m almost certain. He’s a $20-23 million per year player based on his position, production, age, and every other terrible contract handed out to players that are similar.

    Maybe I’ll be shocked and he’ll surprise me by signing some $160 million extension, but I’m not holding my breath. I could see LA, Texas, Detroit, and maybe even Anaheim all going after him. I’m sure there might be a couple other NL teams in there besides LA..I just try to pretend the whole league doesn’t exist so I can’t speak to any of the teams’ interest.. Do the Nationals like spending money? They seem to like it.

  101. Against All Odds November 6th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    I can see him getting 180 for 8

  102. blake November 6th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    If the Yankees can’t extend Cano early this winter for a discount on years (like 6)…..then I’m fairly certain his market will go higher than the Yankees should play in free agency

    Which is why the Yankees should gauge that situation now…..and if Cano is going to free agency then they should consider signing Hamilton to a cheaper deal and allow him to give then leverage and a back up middle of the order bat short term in case Cano leaves after 2013.

  103. Nick in SF November 6th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    I’m a little freaked out right now.

    My electronic voting machine defaulted my ballot to “Andruw Jones” and I then noticed it was manufactured by something called HalStein Industries.

  104. blake November 6th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    “My electronic voting machine defaulted my ballot to “Andruw Jones” and I then noticed it was manufactured by something called HalStein Industries.”

    Mine went to Freddy Garcia!

  105. Tyler November 6th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    Shame-

    I agree 100%. I just think that these contracts (I’m the biggest fan of baseball and hockey so talking mostly about those) are just getting ridiculous in length. You could see it coming from a mile away when the Hawks sign a 30 year old Marian Hossa for 12 years with the money frontloaded. A-Rod opting out and getting an even bigger deal. I know that revenue for most leagues is growing which supports these contracts but the money is just mind blowing.

  106. Shame Spencer November 6th, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    Tyler – The revenue is more mind blowing lol. I still can’t get over the NFL splitting hairs over 100k when they’re a 10 billion dollar industry. Per year. PER YEAR!

    The owners made their own bed, though. And most of them, if not all of them, have several revenue streams to draw from while players only have a short window to earn their living by playing the sport. I won’t ever begrudge players of any sport for taking every last dime they can get their hands on (esp NFL players.. those non-guaranteed contracts are INSANITY).

    Call them mercenaries, call them greedy, call them whatever you want, but please don’t call them dumb because they know their value much more than anyone else. The owners make money hand over fist.

  107. Tyler November 6th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Shame-

    I’m with you… I’m slightly pro-player in the NHL lockout (hard for me to be overly supportive of Donald Fehr). The thing that aggravated me is how long the Players Association took in responding to the initial league proposal back in July. It literally took a month for a response…. that was valuable negotiating time. Nothing might have gotten done in that time but at least put on a show and pretend. I’m a hockey nut… played hockey, watch as much I can, go to games…. they’re destroying their fan base (which is the best in the world outside of international soccer).

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