A few mid-day notes from Day 1 of the GM Meetings
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 07, 2012 
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The General Managers just broke for lunch. Brian Cashman and his crew, including Billy Eppler and Jean Afterman, just walked through the lobby without really stopping to say much. So far it’s a predictably quiet day out here. A few notes from here and there …
• Back in New York, CC Sabathia said this afternoon that he’s been lobbying to get Andy Pettitte to pitch one more year. Sabathia also said he’s hopeful that Hiroki Kuroda will be back next season. The Yankees feel the same way.
• Joe Girardi did not rule out the idea of shifting Brett Gardner to center field next season, but he also said no firm plans are in place because no firm roster is in place.
• The Yankees announced that Joba Chamberlain will be at Yankee Stadium to help with storm donations tomorrow. Chamberlain will be at Gate 2 beginning at 2 p.m.
• The Yankees also announced that the New York Urban League Football Classic has been cancelled in the wake of Hurricane Sandy. The game was supposed to be played at Yankee Stadium on November 17, next Saturday.
• Here’s a popular name around here: Justin Upton is reportedly back on the trade market. Ken Rosenthal reports that Upton had the Yankees on his no-trade list this year, but that list has changed his offseason. By the way, the Diamondbacks do need a shortstop, but Rosenthal dropped Elvis Andrus as a possible trade target. That’s a nice way of saying Eduardo Nunez isn’t enough to get the job done.
• Padres catcher Yasmani Grandal as been suspended 50 games. He tested positive for a high testosterone level.
yankeefeminista November 7th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Nunez isn’t a 3B, so good luck there. We have no one to trade at 3B that they’d want.
Shame, glad to hear that you have your parents nearby. I feel lucky as well.
Odds, the elderly just don’t want to leave their homes. It’s hard to convince many of them that they are at risk.
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It must be very hard especially if they have been living at the same place for yrs. I understand why they don’t want to leave but boy it’s like being between a rock and hard place.
I’m banking on Pineda being back and being good
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Very risky
AAO – Blake’s point is right though, they took the risk when they made the trade so you need to kind of live and die by it the same way you are with these contracts you’re complaining about (‘you’ and ‘you’re’ being the Yankees).
I think if Red Sox part with Middlebrooks, they’ll get Upton. They can build a deal around him and prospects and beat anything we offer. They supposedly have a young 3b/SS right behind him who is supposedly better.
I would love Justin Upton on the Yankees. He’s young, a good fielder, RHP power, good OBP and has a huge ceiling to get even better. Definitely the type of player the Yankees need right now.
I’m not sold on J Upton just yet
I like that he hits from the right side, but can he play in NY at a very high level?
Would he be willing to play RF if the Yankees have Gardner in CF and Grandy in LF?
What about Ichiro? Would Upton get discouraged if he had to look at Ichiro breathing down
his neck at a RF?
We’d all love Upton. Cashman’s only shot at him is to empty the farm. It would probably cost Nunez, Gary Sanchez, maybe a young-ish pitcher like Hughes/Nova/Phelps.
If a team like Texas puts Andrus up or Boston puts up Middlebrooks, we’re on the outside looking in.
@JonHeymanCBS
Jeremy Hellickson interests #cubs (and many, many others), but north siders probably don’t have the chips needed.
WTP – “What about Ichiro?” is not a question you ask related to Justin Upton lol.
@DKnobler
Padres have traded OF Blake Tekotte to White Sox for PTBN.
I think if Red Sox part with Middlebrooks, they’ll get Upton. They can build a deal around him and prospects and beat anything we offer. They supposedly have a young 3b/SS right behind him who is supposedly better.
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They want starting pitching too. Buchholz starts that deal (and even that shouldnt be true since he stinks)
Middlebrooks for Upton doesn’t make the Sox much better….adding Upton to middlebrooks does.
Also the Dbacks traded for Pennington didn’t they to play SS?
Towers said Betances could be Felix Herndandez….give them him
Id do like Phelps/Nova, one of the outfield prospects, and Logan for Upton ……we have remember that if the Yanks are still on his no trade then that’s most likely for leverage and they most likely would have to rework his contract to get him to wave it…..Upton is great…..but he’s no sure thing…..it would be a hope trade…..so how much are you willing to trade in players and dollars for hope?
Regarding Hamilton:
He is one great player. Not good. Great. A difference Maker. That he need a little more managment doesn’t change that. Whether in Baltimore, New York or anywhere else, he will bring excitement to whatever team he is playing with.
For Upton I would give up one of Hughes/Phelps/Nova, one of the catching prospects and one of the outfield prospects. I would also probably throw Nunez in.
Knowing Boston they’ll be the ones to find a way to trade for Headley AND Upton. They must have files of awful information about each owner laying around somewhere…
Also: I follow this FoodPorn twitter account and it makes me really hungry.
Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
AAO – Blake’s point is right though, they took the risk when they made the trade so you need to kind of live and die by it the same way you are with these contracts you’re complaining about (‘you’ and ‘you’re’ being the Yankees).
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Good point Shame.
If we learn anything from the past off seasons regarding the yankees; we cant trust what’s being reported in the media.
The yankees like flying under the radar. No one on here predicted the Pineda deal so I expect the yankees do follow the same protocol this time around. I refuse to get all geeked up about what’s being reported.
All I know is whichever pitcher they trade, they need to make the right choice. They have to guess/pick right, because they have very little margin for error. If they move Hughes, fine, but they better be praying to some higher power Nova/Phelps step up or visa versa.
just got power back after nine days!
Patrick says:
November 7, 2012 at 4:45 pm
For Upton I would give up one of Hughes/Phelps/Nova, one of the catching prospects and one of the outfield prospects. I would also probably throw Nunez in.
Ok….what if you have to change that 8 AAV to 14 to get him to wave his no trade? What if he never hits his ceilings and you’re left with a good but not great player while 4 quality players produce for Arizona…
I want Upton…..but IMO trading for him has the potential to be counterproductive
Ok….what if you have to change that 8 AAV to 14 to get him to wave his no trade? What if he never hits his ceilings and you’re left with a good but not great player while 4 quality players produce for Arizona…
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I would probably be ok with 14 AAV for a player like Upton. What if he never hits his ceiling? Yeah that would stink but if he plays like he did in 2011 he’s still one of the best players in the league…
I really think Upton’s no-trade is an issue in this case, since it’s there for the purpose of renegotiating and he’s clearly no fool putting the top spenders on the list.
Gordon/Headley!!
Patrick – I’m fine with a $14 AAV too, just don’t know if the Yankees are.
“I would probably be ok with 14 AAV for a player like Upton. What if he never hits his ceiling? Yeah that would stink but if he plays like he did in 2011 he’s still one of the best players in the league…”
14 million plus 4 players is a lot for a hope
upton has to want out of AZ. of course he’ll want something to waive the ntc but it won’t be that much or else he risks staying where he’s not wanted and doesnt want to be.
@jcrasnick: While Justin Upton’s name makes the rounds as trade candidate, sources say #dbacks will also listen on pitcher Trevor Bauer
Cano for Upton and bauer
Ys Guy November 7th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
upton has to want out of AZ. of course he’ll want something to waive the ntc but it won’t be that much or else he risks staying where he’s not wanted and doesnt want to be.
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Or AZ can just find a different team to trade him to. There should be enough packages from teams not on his list that they’ll have options.
Good to hear Ys
14 million plus 4 players is a lot for a hope
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It’s not really a hope… Upton was worth far more than $14 million in 2011. Even if he is somewhere between his 2012 and 2011 production he’s worth more than $14 million. Yes he has potential to be better but a lot of people seem to underestimate how good he already is
Bauer is good …
It is a hope….he’s had one elite season and it wasn’t last year and he has the shoulder……the upside is huge…..I want him….just think they should be careful
2 elite seasons, he OPS’d .899 4 years ago. I don’t see how they work out an extension for Upton that pushes his AAV to 14. Even if he takes a premium extension of 3 years / 45 million his AAV only rises to 10. He won’t get 20 million per year because he is coming off a down year. It is most likely he will not even ask for an extension, and actually it would be in the Yankees FAVOR to force him to the bargaining table now when they can buy low on him.
To get to 14 AAV they’d have to offer him 25 million per year. He is going to be a damn bargain no matter what.
I have been on the JU bandwagon from the beginning.
Towers owes us.
Jerkface November 7th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
To get to 14 AAV they’d have to offer him 25 million per year. He is going to be a damn bargain no matter what.
I just threw that number out there…..but he’s probably gonna wantbmore money and more years…..plus the player price to aquire……
Ive talked about J ups forever…. I think he has top 5 players in the game upside…..but it just depends on what theyd have to give up and how much more theyd have to pay him……if you have to give Sanchez….plus Williams or Austin….plus one of your pitchers…..plus more money then I’m not sure that’d be a wise thing to do……
How about Romine, Austin, Nova, Nunez for Justin Upton? I think that’s probably fair for the D-backs…
Heard an interview with Upton’s agent a few months back and he basically admitted thatbthe Yankees were on his no trade for leverage…..no reason to think he wouldn’t use that since they bothered to put it in hus contract
Patrick November 7th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
How about Romine, Austin, Nova, Nunez for Justin Upton? I think that’s probably fair for the D-backs…
That I’d do
Heard an interview with Upton’s agent a few months back and he basically admitted thatbthe Yankees were on his no trade for leverage…..no reason to think he wouldn’t use that since they bothered to put it in hus contract
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That leverage would have been great had he been traded coming off his 2011 year. But now he has less leverage. He can still probably pull the equivalent to whatever Swisher gets in an extension, but he isn’t getting Matt Kemps contract. He is 24 & signed through age 27. If they have to extend him 5 years who cares? That would be ideal!
An extension is not a barrier to trading for Upton, because the price simply will not impact his AAV that much. A 5/75 extension would give him an 11 AAV depending on if some are options or not and any buyouts or bonuses. I doubt he’d want to avoid free agency, but the Yankees could get a very favorable contract out of it if he really wants more guarantee than 3 years
Ys, glad to have you back. Now, engineer some good deals, please.
Before the Yankees can make that trade they need to secure Kuroda and Pettitte.
Otherwsie they’ll need Nova.
Also a little concerned about Jeter’s return and whether or not we’ll need Nunez. Guess Nix could handle it.
Lose Romine and you probably have to have Martin back as well.
We can afford to part w. Austin although he might turn out to be the best of our crop.
Very good value there for the D’backs.
JF,
FAir point…….
That I’d do
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A Lohud Blog consensus has been met! Cashman you now have approval to make a deal, now get it done!
If Cashma could trade for Upton without giving the farm then turn around and deal Granderson for a good 3B or SS prospect then Id give him infinite gold stars
Have thought for a while that the way forward is thru trading.
Blake-
Who’s your LF’er then if you traded Grandy ?
?, GGBG, Upton
Ichiro ?
That’s a lot of lost production.
Texas is sure to be interested in Upton as a Hamilton replacement. They have a lot a sought after young players. We may need to go the Towers owes us route. Come on, your buddy Brian has had a tough year. He helped you when you needed it.
Barry November 7th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Regarding Hamilton:
He is one great player. Not good. Great. A difference Maker. That he need a little more managment doesn’t change that. Whether in Baltimore, New York or anywhere else, he will bring excitement to whatever team he is playing with.
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All of this might be true, but he is not worth the asking price.
Those dollars could be better spent on several players and probably players
that don’t have a history of drug abuse.
Warning Track,
Are you saying no to Hamilton or no, at that price? I don’t expect him to get more than four or five years.
Blake,
I believe infinite gold stars are something even Hal and Brian would love to have. My optimism is increasing.
Blake-
Who’s your LF’er then if you traded Grandy ?
?, GGBG, Upton
Ichiro ?
That’s a lot of lost production.
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Trade for Upton, put Gardner in CF, re-sign Ichiro.
“Who’s your LF’er then if you traded Grandy ?”
Upton, Gardner, Ichiro/Hunter
austinmac says:
November 7, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Blake,
I believe infinite gold stars are something even Hal and Brian would love to have. My optimism is increasing.
Hal might could sell infinite gold stars for more money!
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Lets expound on our pipe dreams.
Trade Romine,Nova, Austin, Nunez for Justin Upton
Trade Granderson for Anthony Rendon
Sign Rivera
Sign Hughes (3/25)
Sign Kuroda
Sign Pettite
Cano accepts a 6/120 extension
Sign Soria (1/5)
Sign Scutero
Sign Ichiro 1/8
Jeter SS
Ichiro RF
Cano 2B
Tex 1B
Upton LF
Arod 3B
Ibanez (or whoever ) DH
Catcher
Gardner CF
You’d have still Sanchez, Heathcott, Williams, and Rendon as all top 50 guys and all hopefully knocking on the door between 2014 and 2015
blake,
Add in an option year for Soria, I also wouldn’t go $5 million on him for 1 year after that injury.