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A few mid-day notes from Day 1 of the GM Meetings

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 07, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The General Managers just broke for lunch. Brian Cashman and his crew, including Billy Eppler and Jean Afterman, just walked through the lobby without really stopping to say much. So far it’s a predictably quiet day out here. A few notes from here and there …

• Back in New York, CC Sabathia said this afternoon that he’s been lobbying to get Andy Pettitte to pitch one more year. Sabathia also said he’s hopeful that Hiroki Kuroda will be back next season. The Yankees feel the same way.

• Joe Girardi did not rule out the idea of shifting Brett Gardner to center field next season, but he also said no firm plans are in place because no firm roster is in place.

• The Yankees announced that Joba Chamberlain will be at Yankee Stadium to help with storm donations tomorrow. Chamberlain will be at Gate 2 beginning at 2 p.m.

• The Yankees also announced that the New York Urban League Football Classic has been cancelled in the wake of Hurricane Sandy. The game was supposed to be played at Yankee Stadium on November 17, next Saturday.

• Here’s a popular name around here: Justin Upton is reportedly back on the trade market. Ken Rosenthal reports that Upton had the Yankees on his no-trade list this year, but that list has changed his offseason. By the way, the Diamondbacks do need a shortstop, but Rosenthal dropped Elvis Andrus as a possible trade target. That’s a nice way of saying Eduardo Nunez isn’t enough to get the job done.

• Padres catcher Yasmani Grandal as been suspended 50 games. He tested positive for a high testosterone level.

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59 Responses to “A few mid-day notes from Day 1 of the GM Meetings”

  1. Against All Odds November 7th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    yankeefeminista November 7th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Nunez isn’t a 3B, so good luck there. We have no one to trade at 3B that they’d want.

    Shame, glad to hear that you have your parents nearby. I feel lucky as well.

    Odds, the elderly just don’t want to leave their homes. It’s hard to convince many of them that they are at risk.

    ——————————–

    It must be very hard especially if they have been living at the same place for yrs. I understand why they don’t want to leave but boy it’s like being between a rock and hard place.

  2. Against All Odds November 7th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    I’m banking on Pineda being back and being good

    —————–

    Very risky

  3. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    AAO – Blake’s point is right though, they took the risk when they made the trade so you need to kind of live and die by it the same way you are with these contracts you’re complaining about (‘you’ and ‘you’re’ being the Yankees).

  4. G. Love November 7th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    I think if Red Sox part with Middlebrooks, they’ll get Upton. They can build a deal around him and prospects and beat anything we offer. They supposedly have a young 3b/SS right behind him who is supposedly better.

  5. Patrick November 7th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    I would love Justin Upton on the Yankees. He’s young, a good fielder, RHP power, good OBP and has a huge ceiling to get even better. Definitely the type of player the Yankees need right now.

  6. Warning Track Power November 7th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    I’m not sold on J Upton just yet
    I like that he hits from the right side, but can he play in NY at a very high level?
    Would he be willing to play RF if the Yankees have Gardner in CF and Grandy in LF?
    What about Ichiro? Would Upton get discouraged if he had to look at Ichiro breathing down
    his neck at a RF?

  7. G. Love November 7th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    We’d all love Upton. Cashman’s only shot at him is to empty the farm. It would probably cost Nunez, Gary Sanchez, maybe a young-ish pitcher like Hughes/Nova/Phelps.

    If a team like Texas puts Andrus up or Boston puts up Middlebrooks, we’re on the outside looking in.

  8. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS

    Jeremy Hellickson interests #cubs (and many, many others), but north siders probably don’t have the chips needed.

  9. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    WTP – “What about Ichiro?” is not a question you ask related to Justin Upton lol.

  10. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    @DKnobler

    Padres have traded OF Blake Tekotte to White Sox for PTBN.

  11. ac1 November 7th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    I think if Red Sox part with Middlebrooks, they’ll get Upton. They can build a deal around him and prospects and beat anything we offer. They supposedly have a young 3b/SS right behind him who is supposedly better.
    ____

    They want starting pitching too. Buchholz starts that deal (and even that shouldnt be true since he stinks)

  12. blake November 7th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Middlebrooks for Upton doesn’t make the Sox much better….adding Upton to middlebrooks does.

    Also the Dbacks traded for Pennington didn’t they to play SS?

  13. blake November 7th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Towers said Betances could be Felix Herndandez….give them him

  14. blake November 7th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    Id do like Phelps/Nova, one of the outfield prospects, and Logan for Upton ……we have remember that if the Yanks are still on his no trade then that’s most likely for leverage and they most likely would have to rework his contract to get him to wave it…..Upton is great…..but he’s no sure thing…..it would be a hope trade…..so how much are you willing to trade in players and dollars for hope?

  15. Barry November 7th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    Regarding Hamilton:

    He is one great player. Not good. Great. A difference Maker. That he need a little more managment doesn’t change that. Whether in Baltimore, New York or anywhere else, he will bring excitement to whatever team he is playing with.

  16. Patrick November 7th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    For Upton I would give up one of Hughes/Phelps/Nova, one of the catching prospects and one of the outfield prospects. I would also probably throw Nunez in.

  17. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Knowing Boston they’ll be the ones to find a way to trade for Headley AND Upton. They must have files of awful information about each owner laying around somewhere…

    Also: I follow this FoodPorn twitter account and it makes me really hungry.

  18. Against All Odds November 7th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    AAO – Blake’s point is right though, they took the risk when they made the trade so you need to kind of live and die by it the same way you are with these contracts you’re complaining about (‘you’ and ‘you’re’ being the Yankees).

    ———————–

    Good point Shame.

  19. Benny Blanco November 7th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    If we learn anything from the past off seasons regarding the yankees; we cant trust what’s being reported in the media.

    The yankees like flying under the radar. No one on here predicted the Pineda deal so I expect the yankees do follow the same protocol this time around. I refuse to get all geeked up about what’s being reported.

  20. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    All I know is whichever pitcher they trade, they need to make the right choice. They have to guess/pick right, because they have very little margin for error. If they move Hughes, fine, but they better be praying to some higher power Nova/Phelps step up or visa versa.

  21. Ys Guy November 7th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    just got power back after nine days!

  22. blake November 7th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    Patrick says:
    November 7, 2012 at 4:45 pm
    For Upton I would give up one of Hughes/Phelps/Nova, one of the catching prospects and one of the outfield prospects. I would also probably throw Nunez in.

    Ok….what if you have to change that 8 AAV to 14 to get him to wave his no trade? What if he never hits his ceilings and you’re left with a good but not great player while 4 quality players produce for Arizona…

    I want Upton…..but IMO trading for him has the potential to be counterproductive

  23. Patrick November 7th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    Ok….what if you have to change that 8 AAV to 14 to get him to wave his no trade? What if he never hits his ceilings and you’re left with a good but not great player while 4 quality players produce for Arizona…

    I would probably be ok with 14 AAV for a player like Upton. What if he never hits his ceiling? Yeah that would stink but if he plays like he did in 2011 he’s still one of the best players in the league…

  24. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    I really think Upton’s no-trade is an issue in this case, since it’s there for the purpose of renegotiating and he’s clearly no fool putting the top spenders on the list.

    Gordon/Headley!!

  25. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    Patrick – I’m fine with a $14 AAV too, just don’t know if the Yankees are.

  26. blake November 7th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    “I would probably be ok with 14 AAV for a player like Upton. What if he never hits his ceiling? Yeah that would stink but if he plays like he did in 2011 he’s still one of the best players in the league…”

    14 million plus 4 players is a lot for a hope

  27. Ys Guy November 7th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    upton has to want out of AZ. of course he’ll want something to waive the ntc but it won’t be that much or else he risks staying where he’s not wanted and doesnt want to be.

  28. blake November 7th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    @jcrasnick: While Justin Upton’s name makes the rounds as trade candidate, sources say #dbacks will also listen on pitcher Trevor Bauer

    Cano for Upton and bauer

  29. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    Ys Guy November 7th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    upton has to want out of AZ. of course he’ll want something to waive the ntc but it won’t be that much or else he risks staying where he’s not wanted and doesnt want to be.

    ————-

    Or AZ can just find a different team to trade him to. There should be enough packages from teams not on his list that they’ll have options.

  30. Against All Odds November 7th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    Good to hear Ys

  31. Patrick November 7th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    14 million plus 4 players is a lot for a hope

    It’s not really a hope… Upton was worth far more than $14 million in 2011. Even if he is somewhere between his 2012 and 2011 production he’s worth more than $14 million. Yes he has potential to be better but a lot of people seem to underestimate how good he already is

  32. blake November 7th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    Bauer is good …

  33. blake November 7th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    It is a hope….he’s had one elite season and it wasn’t last year and he has the shoulder……the upside is huge…..I want him….just think they should be careful

  34. Jerkface November 7th, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    2 elite seasons, he OPS’d .899 4 years ago. I don’t see how they work out an extension for Upton that pushes his AAV to 14. Even if he takes a premium extension of 3 years / 45 million his AAV only rises to 10. He won’t get 20 million per year because he is coming off a down year. It is most likely he will not even ask for an extension, and actually it would be in the Yankees FAVOR to force him to the bargaining table now when they can buy low on him.

  35. Jerkface November 7th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    To get to 14 AAV they’d have to offer him 25 million per year. He is going to be a damn bargain no matter what.

  36. MTU November 7th, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    I have been on the JU bandwagon from the beginning.

    Towers owes us.

    ;)

  37. blake November 7th, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    Jerkface November 7th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
    To get to 14 AAV they’d have to offer him 25 million per year. He is going to be a damn bargain no matter what.

    I just threw that number out there…..but he’s probably gonna wantbmore money and more years…..plus the player price to aquire……

    Ive talked about J ups forever…. I think he has top 5 players in the game upside…..but it just depends on what theyd have to give up and how much more theyd have to pay him……if you have to give Sanchez….plus Williams or Austin….plus one of your pitchers…..plus more money then I’m not sure that’d be a wise thing to do……

  38. Patrick November 7th, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    How about Romine, Austin, Nova, Nunez for Justin Upton? I think that’s probably fair for the D-backs…

  39. blake November 7th, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    Heard an interview with Upton’s agent a few months back and he basically admitted thatbthe Yankees were on his no trade for leverage…..no reason to think he wouldn’t use that since they bothered to put it in hus contract

  40. blake November 7th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    Patrick November 7th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
    How about Romine, Austin, Nova, Nunez for Justin Upton? I think that’s probably fair for the D-backs…

    That I’d do

  41. Jerkface November 7th, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    Heard an interview with Upton’s agent a few months back and he basically admitted thatbthe Yankees were on his no trade for leverage…..no reason to think he wouldn’t use that since they bothered to put it in hus contract

    That leverage would have been great had he been traded coming off his 2011 year. But now he has less leverage. He can still probably pull the equivalent to whatever Swisher gets in an extension, but he isn’t getting Matt Kemps contract. He is 24 & signed through age 27. If they have to extend him 5 years who cares? That would be ideal!

    An extension is not a barrier to trading for Upton, because the price simply will not impact his AAV that much. A 5/75 extension would give him an 11 AAV depending on if some are options or not and any buyouts or bonuses. I doubt he’d want to avoid free agency, but the Yankees could get a very favorable contract out of it if he really wants more guarantee than 3 years

  42. austinmac November 7th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    Ys, glad to have you back. Now, engineer some good deals, please.

  43. MTU November 7th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    Before the Yankees can make that trade they need to secure Kuroda and Pettitte.

    Otherwsie they’ll need Nova.

    Also a little concerned about Jeter’s return and whether or not we’ll need Nunez. Guess Nix could handle it.

    Lose Romine and you probably have to have Martin back as well.

    We can afford to part w. Austin although he might turn out to be the best of our crop.

    Very good value there for the D’backs.

  44. blake November 7th, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    JF,

    FAir point…….

  45. Patrick November 7th, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    That I’d do

    A Lohud Blog consensus has been met! Cashman you now have approval to make a deal, now get it done!

  46. blake November 7th, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    If Cashma could trade for Upton without giving the farm then turn around and deal Granderson for a good 3B or SS prospect then Id give him infinite gold stars

  47. MTU November 7th, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    Have thought for a while that the way forward is thru trading.

    ;)

  48. MTU November 7th, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    Blake-

    Who’s your LF’er then if you traded Grandy ?

    ?, GGBG, Upton

    Ichiro ?

    That’s a lot of lost production.

  49. austinmac November 7th, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    Texas is sure to be interested in Upton as a Hamilton replacement. They have a lot a sought after young players. We may need to go the Towers owes us route. Come on, your buddy Brian has had a tough year. He helped you when you needed it.

  50. Warning Track Power November 7th, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    Barry November 7th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
    Regarding Hamilton:

    He is one great player. Not good. Great. A difference Maker. That he need a little more managment doesn’t change that. Whether in Baltimore, New York or anywhere else, he will bring excitement to whatever team he is playing with.
    —————————————————————————————————————–
    All of this might be true, but he is not worth the asking price.
    Those dollars could be better spent on several players and probably players
    that don’t have a history of drug abuse.

  51. austinmac November 7th, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    Warning Track,

    Are you saying no to Hamilton or no, at that price? I don’t expect him to get more than four or five years.

  52. austinmac November 7th, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    Blake,

    I believe infinite gold stars are something even Hal and Brian would love to have. My optimism is increasing.

  53. Patrick November 7th, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    Blake-

    Who’s your LF’er then if you traded Grandy ?

    ?, GGBG, Upton

    Ichiro ?

    That’s a lot of lost production.

    Trade for Upton, put Gardner in CF, re-sign Ichiro.

  54. blake November 7th, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    “Who’s your LF’er then if you traded Grandy ?”

    Upton, Gardner, Ichiro/Hunter

  55. blake November 7th, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    austinmac says:
    November 7, 2012 at 5:55 pm
    Blake,

    I believe infinite gold stars are something even Hal and Brian would love to have. My optimism is increasing.

    Hal might could sell infinite gold stars for more money!

  56. Yankee Trader November 7th, 2012 at 6:17 pm

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  57. blake November 7th, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    Lets expound on our pipe dreams.

    Trade Romine,Nova, Austin, Nunez for Justin Upton
    Trade Granderson for Anthony Rendon
    Sign Rivera
    Sign Hughes (3/25)
    Sign Kuroda
    Sign Pettite
    Cano accepts a 6/120 extension
    Sign Soria (1/5)
    Sign Scutero
    Sign Ichiro 1/8

    Jeter SS
    Ichiro RF
    Cano 2B
    Tex 1B
    Upton LF
    Arod 3B
    Ibanez (or whoever ) DH
    Catcher
    Gardner CF

    You’d have still Sanchez, Heathcott, Williams, and Rendon as all top 50 guys and all hopefully knocking on the door between 2014 and 2015

  58. Patrick November 7th, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    blake,

    Add in an option year for Soria, I also wouldn’t go $5 million on him for 1 year after that injury.

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