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All quiet as things get started in California

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 07, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

For those of you back on the East coast, mornings might be a little slow the rest of this week.

Out here in California, the General Managers Meetings are getting started. Of course, the time change means things aren’t likely to heat up until closer to noon ET or even later, but truth be told, the GM Meetings are usually fairly quiet anyway.

Last year’s highlights included Brian Cashman speculating that the Yankees wouldn’t be able to find a second lefty (they ultimately did in Clay Rapada), Cashman saying he would be willing to sacrifice hitting for pitching (two months later, the Jesus Montero trade happened), and Hal Steinbrenner giving vague comments about the Yankees commitment to remaining contender (he could basically give the exact same quotes this year).

If nothing else, these next three days might further set a foundation for the Yankees approach, but the team won’t know until Friday whether Rafael Soriano, Nick Swisher or Hiroki Kuroda will accept their qualifying offer. For the time being, the key seems to be Kuroda. Getting him back could clarify some of the short-term rotation issues and help the Yankees determine whether they can focus their attention and resources elsewhere.

Right now, everyone is in wait-and-see mode.

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144 Responses to “All quiet as things get started in California”

  1. Yankee Trader November 7th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    NY Post article today on the Newly Frugal Yankees:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....5TvSFFs51N

    Hopefully Kevin Towers and Cashman will at least sit down and talk about the parameters of a deal for Justin Upton, that may be acceptable to both sides, once the Yankees know if Kuroda is taking the QO, and if Pettitte tells them he’s ready to show up for ST!

  2. jacksquat November 7th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    I would not expect much to happen until the QO’s are decided and they know if they have Kuroda/Pettitte back.

  3. LGY November 7th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Just say no to Torii Hunter

  4. Yankee Trader November 7th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    Chad-

    Frank Wren has pulled off a big trade during the GM meetings, so maybe you will see some action before the meeting is over Friday? He’s looking for a CF’er and either a LF’er or 3rd baseman, which would determine where Martin Prado plays next year, with apparently $25M to spend.

  5. blake November 7th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    I like hunter…..but giving him a 2/20 like contract is a very bad idea…..2014 is going to be extremely tight payroll wise now…..they can’t afford to have 10 million in AAV locked up to a player who will be 39 that season and who carries serious risk of really declining by then .

    One year only

  6. Yankee Trader November 7th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Updated: November 17, 2010, 9:06 AM ET
    ESPN.com news services

    The Atlanta Braves acquired All-Star second baseman Dan Uggla from the Florida Marlins for utilityman Omar Infante and pitcher Mike Dunn on Tuesday in the first trade of the general managers meetings.

  7. jacksquat November 7th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Torii for one year I could live with (even though it seems likely his performance will decline), for two years would be a bad baseball decision.

  8. blake November 7th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    I think the Braves are a good fit for Granderson as I’ve said many times….they can afford his salary….they could afford to extend him if they wanted….and they have excess pitching to give…..but IMo the Yanks really can’t trade Granderson without having a plan to replace him in the lineup…..

  9. Yankee Trader November 7th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    I’m not for a 2 year deal fo Hunter either-at most a team option for a 2nd year.

    However ‘I’m not sure Ichiro would sign for one year and if he did, that means Gardner, Granderson and Ichiro, a definite loss of OF productivity from last year.

  10. Yankee Trader November 7th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Blake-

    FAs BJ Upton or Nick Swisher would be better options for them rather than a trade for Granderson

  11. Yankee Trader November 7th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    The Indians are already drawing trade calls on Shin-Soo Choo, Justin Masterson, Chris Perez, and Asdrubal Cabrera according to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. GM Chris Antonetti acknowledged that they will listen to offers for those four and others.

    “I’m not looking to move those guys,” said the GM. “But we have to be open-minded.”

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#gStFkBp6zmGXfExA.99

    Any interest? Could the Yankees match up?

  12. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal

    Things change, but #RedSox currently disinclined to trade Ellsbury with value down. Club figures he will be highly motivated in FA year.

  13. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    The more I think about it.. the more I’d like Gordon and Headley instead of Upton. I think Upton would be the most expensive of the 3 in both prospects and dollars.

  14. Yankee Trader November 7th, 2012 at 9:38 am

    Good morning Shame-

    Wishing you the best and stay warm tonight when the winter weather moves in.

    Rosenthal is probably right about Ellsbury. The Yankees are in the same boat with values down on many of their players-Granderson, Nova, Gardner

  15. blake November 7th, 2012 at 9:38 am

    “FAs BJ Upton or Nick Swisher would be better options for them rather than a trade for Granderson”

    Swisher taking the Q offer would be the best stop gap

  16. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Trader – I never expected them to move him anyway, especially after his last season, but I thought it was interesting. If Ellsbury does have a bounce back season, I wonder what he’d command. I don’t particularly like his name but I do like how he plays… he prob won’t fit the budget though, and has had a spotty injury history.

  17. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    @JonHeymanCBS

    #reds eying return for broxton or madson or soria signing so they can move aroldis to rotation. http://cbsprt.co/StlaAD

  18. Yankee Trader November 7th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Gordon Headley or Justin Upton?

    lefty, switch hitter or righty?

    LF’er, 3B/possible corner OF’er, RF’er?

    I don’t know. All willl cost a starting pitcher I would think. The question is, do the Yankees match up with any of them, IF, they want major league proven or ready players in return?

  19. blake November 7th, 2012 at 9:46 am

    Yanks should consider Choo as well….that depends on price….you can’t give any if the top guys for him as he would be a rental and he’s basically a platoon player.

    He would really improve and diversify their offense against RHP but he can’t hit lefties at all and that’s a big problem given the current lineup and the number of qualify lefties in the AL east

  20. Yankee Trader November 7th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    Blake–

    That was meant to say that BJ Upton or Swisher would be better options for the BRAVES, rather than trading for Granderson, in your previous response that the Braves would have interest in trading for Grandy.

  21. Against All Odds November 7th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    @JonHeymanCBS

    #reds eying return for broxton or madson or soria signing so they can move aroldis to rotation. http://cbsprt.co/StlaAD

    ————————

    Lol yea ok.

    They are going to move Chapman who is better than all three of those closers. They aren’t moving Chapman. I think the starter ship has sailed.

  22. blake November 7th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    “That was meant to say that BJ Upton or Swisher would be better options for the BRAVES, rather than trading for Granderson, in your previous response that the Braves would have interest in trading for Grandy.”

    Not if they thought Granderson was a better player and they didn’t want to give Upton or Swisher a big contract

  23. blake November 7th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    The Braves could decide they’d rather trade some excess they have for a year of Granderson than to get locked in to 4 or 5 years with Upton or Swisher

  24. Yankee Trader November 7th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    Blake-

    Wow, Choo vs lefties .199 BA 2012, .239 BA yrs 2010 thru 2012, and no power vs lefties.

    No thanks.

    This is blasphemy and I’ll deny that I wrote this! LOL

    Trade for Asdrubal Cabrera and move Jeter to RF. Nah, I didn’t just say that.

    Can I take that back? :)

  25. Yankee Trader November 7th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Chapman-

    Another Cuban player that the Yankees incorrectly passed on.

    Do the Yankees even have a pitcher in the pen who consistently can top 96 on the radar gun?

  26. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    I don’t like BJ Upton.

    Actually.. I’d like him if he’d only cost you like $6-7 million per.

  27. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    Did you guys see they’re naming winter storms now? Todays storm is apparently Athena.

    One day, my dreams will come true and I will get a Hurricane Jaclyn and it will be a beast. I will get to hang paper clippings on my fridge that say things like, ‘Jaclyn Murders Millions’

  28. Yankee Trader November 7th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    If I’m Wren, and have 25M alloted for spending this year I’d sign BJ Upton for 4/52, 13M/yr, rather than give up pitching for 15M/one year of an older Granderson. The Braves don’t have any major league ready OF’ers to trade to the Yankees and their star in RF is untouchable.

  29. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    Is anyone an insider?

    @Buster_ESPN

    Good morning, folks — today’s column is posted. http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb.....ntract-mlb … About the hard line the Yankees will take with a star, Haren, links.

  30. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    It’s about Cano and the Yanks taking a hard line, btw.

  31. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    This is as much as I have access to for those that don’t like clicking links:

    “If New York Yankees general manager Brian Cashman ran for president, he would have a draconian economic plan. Cut spending; reduce waste; balance the budget.

    He has long credited the late George Steinbrenner for giving him his opportunity in Major League Baseball, but Cashman and The Boss had a very different philosophy when it came to operating a baseball team. Steinbrenner had a window-shopper’s mentality and wanted the best on display: the brightest, the gaudiest. And, as the owner of baseball’s richest team, he didn’t really care much about the cost.

    Cashman, on the other hand, has voted repeatedly against massive expenditures in his tenure as general manager. He wanted to hold the line on Bernie Williams in the fall of 1998, until Steinbrenner stepped in to make the deal and increased the Yankees’ offer from $60 million to $87.5 million in the span of about 20 minutes.

    Cashman spearheaded the acquisition of Alex Rodriguez in the winter of 2004, when the Rangers agreed to eat about 35 percent of his salary, but when Rodriguez opted out of his deal after the 2007 season, Cashman advised his bosses to not re-sign Rodriguez, because he believed they could spend the $275 million money more wisely.

    Cashman was the bad cop in the Derek Jeter negotiations, arguing that the team shouldn’t pay the future Hall of Famer way beyond his market value — publicly inviting Jeter to test the market if he wasn’t satisfied with the Yankees’ offer.

    Cashman has always believed that the Yankees should be able to do more with more, and that it’s the responsibility of the baseball operations department to build a winning team with the sport’s largest payroll. Hal Steinbrenner has stated he wants to get the Yankees’ payroll in line with the luxury tax threshold of $189 million, a vision Cashman has long embraced.

    This is why the Robinson Cano contract talks could have an outcome far different than anyone expects. Because the Yankees are the richest team, it stands to reason that they would work out a deal with their best player, regardless of cost.”

  32. Yankee Trader November 7th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Here’s the attached article from Atlanta Journal on what the Braves might do:

    “This year the Braves have not one but two holes to fill in their lineup – center fielder/leadoff man and either a left fielder or third baseman — and are believed to have about $25 million to spend on those two players’ salaries for next season.”

    http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-b.....raves_blog

  33. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    I think we should also take some time today to discuss the real news that came out of last nights election results: People think weed should be legal!!!!

  34. AAA November 7th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    If I’m Wren, and have 25M alloted for spending this year I’d sign BJ Upton for 4/52, 13M/yr, rather than give up pitching for 15M/one year of an older Granderson.

    ========================================

    Ditto. Nobody’s going to deal high end prospects or young pitching for one year of Granderson. Makes no sense, especially off of the uneven season he’s just finished.

  35. AAA November 7th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    People think weed should be legal!!!!

    =========================

    By the 2020 election, Colorado might be worth 12-13 electoral votes, rather than it’s present 9.

  36. randy l. November 7th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    if you haven’t already bought” The Signal and the Noise: Why So Many Predictions Fail-but Some Don’t “,

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Sign.....159420411X

    what are you waiting for?

    get smarter.

    build a better smarter blog

    the IQ of the blog dropped considerably as the baseball equivalent of the tea party invaded it.

    whether you agree or disagree with nate silver how can you not read him and know where he stands?

    the question you need to ask yourself is do you want to move into the future or live in the past?

    get smarter

    be a better yankee fan

  37. Yankee Trader November 7th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Shame-

    The Boss also wanted to sign David Ortiz in 2003. Cashman reminded him that 1B and DH were already covered with Jason Giambi and Nick Johnson. Who wins the ALCS in 2004 and sweeps the Cards in 4 in the WS with Ortiz a Yankee and not a Red Sox?

  38. Against All Odds November 7th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Hey Randy whats up

  39. Yankee Trader November 7th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    Randy–

    Welcome back. Were you OK during the storm?

    I commented on stats geek and guru Nate Silver and hiis almost always correct predictions on the last thread this morning.

    I’m sure you already saw his predictions before the election:

    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/

    Anyway, back to baseball.

  40. DONNYBROOK November 7th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    After last night, the Repub’s should take A-Rod’s advice to Nunez. “Maybe, you need another Mitt”? DRUBBING

  41. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    RANDY!

  42. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Trader – I don’t think it comes down to George vs. Cashman on every move. I certainly wouldn’t side with George on all of his desires, and I didn’t particularly care for him as a person, but the driving force behind a lot of what he did was for entertainment and perfecting a product. He understood the brand, I think, better than the current FO.

  43. Duh Innings II November 7th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    The Yanks should offer Cano four years which would take him to age 35 because history shows Hall Of Fame secondbasemen decline after age 33.

    Joe Morgan, Ryne Sandberg, Roberto Alomar, Bill Mazerowski, and Rod Carew all declined after age 33 (Carew was the best of the bunch offensively from age 33 on but played only 834 games in his final seven seasons.)

    It is nonsensical to give a 31 year old (which Cano will be 11/22/13) more than four years considering this history.

    Four years at $20M a year for $80M total would give him the third-largest contract for a homegrown player after the contracts for Jeter and Williams, and he would earn the third-highest amount of money as a homegrown player with the team he started with after Jeter and Rivera.

    I don’t give a @#$% what Boras thinks Cano is worth, Cano never posted 30 HR and 100 RBI in the same season in his twenties. Cano probably has four more above average seasons left in him. No more overpaying in years for what guys did in the past – see A-Rod and Teixiera.

  44. MTU November 7th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    Interesting to watch the Yankees being run by a bunch of corporate eyeshades who like to engage in groupthink.

    Ready to line the pockets more in an attempt to show how clever they are.

    Miss the forest for the trees much guys ?

    :)

  45. DONNYBROOK November 7th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    There is no “brand” recognition with the current Hierarchy. The Yankee franchise is simply looked at as a cash cow, and they occasionally are Forced to feed it some hay. Other than that, Hal is frequently heard exclaiming, “Where’s all the milk”?

  46. Yankee Trader November 7th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Shame-

    The biggest and now worst decision by the FO[Randy Levine] was not letting ARod go. I wonder if Nate Silver foresaw a new CBA that would reward the Yankees by staying under the new LT fo all 3 years 2014 thru 2016!

  47. Duh Innings II November 7th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    BTW Cano is a very nice player, but he’s not as good as prime Jeter or A-Rod, especially A-Rod thus cannot be paid like either.

    So what that “he’s homegrown”? He’s also 30 now and locking him up through age 37 or 38 is only asking for trouble – see A-Rod since 2011 and 2012 Teixiera who isn’t even 35 yet.

  48. CompassRosy November 7th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Shame Spencer says:
    November 7, 2012 at 10:14 am

    “I think we should also take some time today to discuss the real news that came out of last nights election results: People think weed should be legal!!!!”

    Shame ~
    As I posted last night, trying to blend baseball and politics….

    CompassRosy says:
    November 7, 2012 at 1:01 am

    “Initiative 502 passing in Washington State…
    An enticement for Timmy to come home?”
    ;)

  49. blake November 7th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    The Yankees should take a hard stance with Cano…..if they are in fact serious about this budget ( and it appears they are) then they cannot just give him whatever he wants…..especially a year early….it’s just too risky.

    Cano is a really good player…..he’s their best player…..but he’s not a 1 OPS bat and his approach likely wont age well…..I think to be honest that Robbie will be an elite player for only about 2 more years and then he will start to show signs of decline around 33…..his swing is built to age well….his approach isn’t.

    Pujols is an all time great hitter with a much better and more diciplined approach at the plate….he’s been declining for two years now in his early 30s…..that’s a scary thing when you are looking at Cano trying to project him long term.

  50. blake November 7th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    “Ditto. Nobody’s going to deal high end prospects or young pitching for one year of Granderson. Makes no sense, especially off of the uneven season he’s just finished.”

    The braves love to stay payroll flexible and they are also a club that puts a lot of stock in clubhouse guys…..Granderson is their kind of player……

  51. blake November 7th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    The Braves were going to trade Delgado for 3 months of Ryan Dempster…..

  52. Against All Odds November 7th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    Pujols is an all time great hitter with a much better and more diciplined approach at the plate….he’s been declining for two years now in his early 30s

    —————————–

    He might not be in his early 30s

  53. blake November 7th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    Again as I’ve been saying….if the Yankees feel that Cano is going to demand 8 years and close to 200 million dollars then they should plan on letting him go after 2013……they could shop him quietly and see what they could get but I just don’t think they’d get enough big league ready talent to make it worth while….

    Instead they should try to sign Hamilton to a shorter deal than Cano would demand and let him be the bridge after a Cano leaves……go for it in 2013 with Cano and Hamilton in the lineup…..keep the prospects and hope they can start filtering in soon.

  54. blake November 7th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    “He might not be in his early 30s”

    That’s a good point….but either way you can conclude that Cano may only be an elite player for a couple more years and the Yankees really need to avoid paying him like one for 8……

  55. AAA November 7th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    Someone will give Cano the years and the money. Doesn’t necessarily have to be the Yankees, but Boras will get it somewhere. 4 years ain’t happenin’. Can’t unring a bell, but the thing the Yankees should have considered last off season is dropping the 2 option years (’12 and ’13) and offering him a 6-7 year deal in the $22M range. Then they’d be done paying him big $$ at age 34-35.

  56. DONNYBROOK November 7th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    You guys that are pushing to offer 5yrs or less to Cano, really should be endorsing trading Cano. Anything Less than a 6yr offer, will be regarded as an insult by Cano\Boras. The Yanks should trade Cano NOW, and spare us the drama\anxiety down-the-road. We gotta glimpse of what’s ahead during the Jeet negotiations. The ending of Cano’s tenure as a Yankee is gonna get Real Ugly.

  57. MTU November 7th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    The Yankees have many prospects.

    Most of them will never make it to the ML’s.

    Even the few who do are unlikely to reach their projected cielings.

    Why not trade a few for what we need before they get injured, disappoint, or lose there trade value ?

    We don’t have money so we need to trade.

    Believeing in all of your prospects is fool’s gold IMO.

    Save the best. Discard the rest.

    ;)

  58. austinmac November 7th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    The news is, as I expected, grim on the Yankees will try to improve front. The real question is how much worse will they be next year.

    The ownership, with Cashman’s apparent support, are about profit. We all need to realize that no proposals will be considered unless they reduce payroll.

    Yet, under this moronic philosophy, they still refuse to do business any differently. Granderson and Cano will likely be allowed to walk after next year.

  59. austinmac November 7th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    Donny,

    I don’t think it will get ugly with Cano. He will want 8+ years, the Yankees won’t give it to him and he will be gone. They will not get remotely close enough to become contentious.

    I would offer six new years. It would be rejected. With that knowledge, I would then trade him. The fiftieth pick in the 2014 draft is not worth much when compared to his trade value.

  60. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    Yankee Trader November 7th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Shame-

    The biggest and now worst decision by the FO[Randy Levine] was not letting ARod go.

    —————–

    I don’t buy the company line, Trader. No one individual in the FO signed Arod. That was a group decision. Who was on what side isn’t all that important to me.. what’s important is that they made that choice as an organization and need to do things to mitigate the outcomes we are seeing now.

  61. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    Compass – I’m glad someone else was on top of the REAL news from last night ;)

  62. Against All Odds November 7th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    blake November 7th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    “He might not be in his early 30s”

    That’s a good point….but either way you can conclude that Cano may only be an elite player for a couple more years and the Yankees really need to avoid paying him like one for 8……

    —————————

    True but if they want to compete at least short term then he is a factor on this team.

  63. Against All Odds November 7th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    Yankee Trader November 7th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Shame-

    The biggest and now worst decision by the FO[Randy Levine] was not letting ARod go.

    —————–

    I don’t buy the company line, Trader. No one individual in the FO signed Arod. That was a group decision. Who was on what side isn’t all that important to me.. what’s important is that they made that choice as an organization and need to do things to mitigate the outcomes we are seeing now.

    —————–

    Exactly they all took bows when he was re-signed but now point fingers with him on the decline smh.

  64. DONNYBROOK November 7th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    The Major stumbling block to dealing Grandy is the $15 Mill salary. 1yr of Grandy for $15 Mill? Yanks aint gonna get Anything of value with those drawbacks. Now, you go the American Pickers route and bundle him with Cano, or something like that, and Maybe you can get somebody to bite. But all by himself, Grandy is a NO GO.

  65. DONNYBROOK November 7th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    - Austin -
    The Yanks do Not negotiate during a contract. The Yanks are gonna wait till the 2013 offseason, and make Cano some ridiculously low-ball offer, the barbs will fly like they did with Jeet, and the Yankees will end up getting a lottery ticket\Pick for Cano. Trading Cano NOW will net the Yanks far more.

  66. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    AAO – I know we’ve talked about it before, but the narrative that Hank signed Arod and Levine signed Soriano is just plan silly and doesn’t account for….. how business actually works.

  67. Against All Odds November 7th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    The ownership, with Cashman’s apparent support, are about profit

    —————————-

    You know what’s funny when I was on another board before I found out about Lohud there was a poster on there saying how nervous she was about Hal owning the team. She would tell the other posters be careful Hal isn’t like his father and I’m worried he will cut back on spending. She felt there were moves they could have made after the 09 championship that weren’t made due to it being too expensive. She’d called him heap and a penny pincher. I as well as the other members on the board thought she was overreacting. But she strongly believed Hal would cut back on spending money and she was right.

  68. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    DONNYBROOK November 7th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    The Major stumbling block to dealing Grandy is the $15 Mill salary. 1yr of Grandy for $15 Mill?
    ——————

    $15 million for 40+ HRs, 100+ RBIs, on a short term one year deal? Yeah that sounds about right.

    Teams would like that.

  69. Yankee Trader November 7th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Now that Rosy is on board, all of you enjoy this new NY Post Davidoff article:

    What Shocking Moves can occur at this year’s GM meetings:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....cg06p7pnDJ

  70. Against All Odds November 7th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    AAO – I know we’ve talked about it before, but the narrative that Hank signed Arod and Levine signed Soriano is just plan silly and doesn’t account for….. how business actually works.

    —————–

    Exactly. Like I said before to mick you mean to tell me the man in charge of the finances had no say when big ticket items were purchased. So Cash had to beg Hal to sign Tex but Levine and Hank made moves w/o consulting him. Lol it’s funny

  71. Yankee Trader November 7th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    Maybe Team Greedy will win out. Read the above NY Post article.

  72. austinmac November 7th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    The Yankees will not, in my opinion, sign any player from outside the current team to a contract for more than one year. Under those terms, the player pool is very limited.

    They are going to lose important pieces of last year’s team. Sure, Swisher is awful in the playoffs, but I doubt we would have seen the playoffs without him last year. Does that mean he must be brought back? No, but it does mean getting a lesser player in right means a few less wins and perhaps no playoffs.

    If Martin doesn’t come back, the same is true. They likely would not have made the playoffs with Cervelli/Romine and Stewart as the catchers. Again, he doesn’t have to come back, but weakening the team at another position continues to reduce the chances to make the playoffs.

    I don’t even want to consider the result if Kuroda doesn’t come back. Try replacing him for a one year contract guy.

    The new budget will, in my opinion, kill this team for many years to come because the team will continue to operate the same as when they would spend money. Either spend or trade the expensive players who will depart. It doesn’t work with one foot in each corner.

  73. MTU November 7th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    YT-

    There’s a lot of unlikely assumptions built in.

    Nice try though.

    ;)

  74. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    I never thought I’d align myself with Levine but he and Hank might be our best bets going forward lol.. Hank doesn’t care about finances!!! He’s the like Gob of that family! I could see it now.. ”Illusion,’Hal. A ‘trick’ is something a wh*re does for money…or candy!”

  75. MTU November 7th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Mac-

    I vote for all kinds of horse trading.

    ;)

  76. bruceb November 7th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    I agree with most of the comments made about Cano, but I do feel a lot of them are based on the burdensome contracts given to Tex and ARod. I don’t want the Yankees to be held to ransom by Boras and hand out another 10-year deal. But I’m really worried about our fortunes going forward without by far and a way the best hitter on our team.

  77. austinmac November 7th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    MTU,

    I would like a trade of the rear end of a horse that seems to be making the decisions for the front end.

    Or how about one single optimistic rumor no matter how unlikely? Imagine this headline–Yankees Interested in a Good Player under 35. Their I go again with my fantasies.

  78. blake November 7th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    “True but if they want to compete at least short term then he is a factor on this team.”

    I’ve offered a solution to that!

  79. Against All Odds November 7th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Yes your Hamilton solution.

  80. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Me too!! The Expendables are waiting in the wings…

  81. NYYROC November 7th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Check out article on RAB; NYY preparing to offer Mo a paycut.

  82. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    @KenDavidoff

    Brian Cashman reiterated last night that he expects A-Rod to be a #Yankee in 2013. http://bit.ly/PXfP99

  83. MTU November 7th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    Mac-

    Maybe they’ll surprise us ?

    They should be very open to trades.

    I hope they are.

  84. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    You know, it’d be different if Mo has had a drop off in performance or something…

  85. jacksquat November 7th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Against All Odds November 7th, 2012 at 11:17 am
    Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    AAO – I know we’ve talked about it before, but the narrative that Hank signed Arod and Levine signed Soriano is just plan silly and doesn’t account for….. how business actually works.

    —————–

    Exactly. Like I said before to mick you mean to tell me the man in charge of the finances had no say when big ticket items were purchased. So Cash had to beg Hal to sign Tex but Levine and Hank made moves w/o consulting him. Lol it’s funny

    Are you two implying that Cashman is partly responsible for Arod and Soriano? I hope not. Cashman flat out told Arod/Boras that if he opted out he would not be resigned to a bigger deal. He publicly stated that he did not make the decision on Soriano and it wasn’t a good decision to pay a middle reliever that much (and that is true even with Mo ending up with a freak injury). In business it is not uncommon for higher ups to not always accept the recommendations of their employees.

  86. austinmac November 7th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    BJ Upton is far from ideal, but I do think on a veteran ladened team(to say the least) he might improve. Still, he has speed and power. He could replace Granderson who could be used for trade bait.

    He would help balance the lineup. Not ideal, but far better than watching Granderson go for a supplemental pick next year. I doubt they will trade him without some offensive help coming to the team.

    I just hope all options are on the table, and not just try again with a lesser but older team while telling us it is still competitive.

  87. MTU November 7th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    ” just hope all options are on the table, and not just try again with a lesser but older team while telling us it is still competitive.”

    +1

  88. austinmac November 7th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    MTU,

    Every day I scour newspapers and other sources for some sign of a Yankee surprise. Hope springs eternal while expectations have sprung a leak.

  89. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    Are you two implying that Cashman is partly responsible for Arod and Soriano? I hope not.
    ——————-

    Cashman isn’t the owner.. so no, we’re not.

    But Levine isn’t the owner, either.. so the narrative blaming him is even more entertaining, isn’t it?

  90. Yankee Trader November 7th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    2. The Yankees spend big on a free-agent outfielder. Not “big” as in Torii Hunter; the 37-year-old will probably sign for two years. Big as in Michael Bourn, Josh Hamilton or B.J. Upton.

    You can rank Hamilton as the least likely of that trio to wind up in The Bronx; there’s just too much baggage there, both physically and off the field. Taking aboard Bourn or Upton, though, would allow the Yankees to field a super-athletic outfield of one of the pair in center field, Curtis Granderson in right field and Brett Gardner in left field. Or it could make Granderson more available in a trade, and Ichiro Suzuki would love to still be in the mix, as well.

    In order for this to become a reality, given the Yankees’ desire to get their payroll under $189 million by 2014, the team would have to essentially give up on signing Granderson long-term — a real possibility regardless, given his inconsistent 2012 — and also feel pessimistic about keeping Robinson Cano beyond next season. Bourn or Upton would represent one of two major investments, at the most, they could make in order to sufficiently cut their payroll.

  91. Warning Track Power November 7th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    Well I certainly hope ARod remains a Yankee in 2013.

  92. MTU November 7th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    We have 6 OF prospects : Austin, Williams, Flores, Santana, Almonte, and Heathcott

    Several Catching prospects: Romine, Murphy, and Sanchez

    2 2B guys: Adams and Joseph

    Tons of relievers in the Minors

    3 young arms: Nova, Hughes, Phelps

    You mean to tell me we can’t afford to part w some of that ?

    ;)

  93. blake November 7th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    My favorite solution to the budget is to forget about the budget

  94. Against All Odds November 7th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    jacksquat November 7th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Against All Odds November 7th, 2012 at 11:17 am
    Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    AAO – I know we’ve talked about it before, but the narrative that Hank signed Arod and Levine signed Soriano is just plan silly and doesn’t account for….. how business actually works.

    —————–

    Exactly. Like I said before to mick you mean to tell me the man in charge of the finances had no say when big ticket items were purchased. So Cash had to beg Hal to sign Tex but Levine and Hank made moves w/o consulting him. Lol it’s funny

    Are you two implying that Cashman is partly responsible for Arod and Soriano? I hope not. Cashman flat out told Arod/Boras that if he opted out he would not be resigned to a bigger deal. He publicly stated that he did not make the decision on Soriano and it wasn’t a good decision to pay a middle reliever that much (and that is true even with Mo ending up with a freak injury). In business it is not uncommon for higher ups to not always accept the recommendations of their employees.

    ———————

    What I’m implying is ppl love to label Levine and Hank as loose cannons as if Hal was sleeping during the process. It’s not look what the FO did it’s Hank signed A-rod and Levine signed Sori.

  95. austinmac November 7th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    I am not a big Bourn fan. He is very similar to Gardner–likely better, but not tens of millions better.

  96. jacksquat November 7th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Levine probably has to get approval from Hal/Hank. But he does make it obvious that Cashman definitely does not have autonomy. Must be hard for Cashman to plan when Levine/Hank could step in at any moment and screw things up.

  97. AAA November 7th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    You know, it’d be different if Mo has had a drop off in performance or something…

    ================================

    Technically, he did.

    Doesn’t matter who you are, $15M is not the going rate for a 43 year old, 60 inning pitcher coming off a serious knee injury. Something along the lines of $9M with incentives for Games Finished that could carry him back towards the $15M neighborhood seems appropriate. Actually, it seems excessive, but for Mariano Rivera it’s appropriate.

  98. MTU November 7th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Blake-

    “My favorite solution to the budget is to forget about the budget”

    You mean like our Gov’t ?

    Got to run.

    Have a great day.

    Keep your head down.

    :)

  99. NYYROC November 7th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    If Andy has changed agents, that makes me think he’s coming back. If not why do that?

  100. Yankee Trader November 7th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Everyone enjoy your day. Stay warm tonight if in the northeast.

    Looking for Kuroda to resign by Friday, and Soriano to be fielding offers from the Angels and Tigers.

    Rivera on board next week and Andy, hopefully soon after.

    Then we trade for a corner OF’er

    Unril later

  101. blake November 7th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    “You mean like our Gov’t ?”

    Our govt wouldn’t be concerned with 189

  102. austinmac November 7th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    AAO,

    Levine may have argued for Soriano, but I agree it doesn’t happen if Hal says no. I hope Levine, that sweet talking fellow, can still be persuasive.

  103. blake November 7th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Andy is coming back…..problem is that if Kuroda doesn’t then they need another pitcher and that search would delay them fixing the offense…..if they do plan to actually do anything with the offense

  104. jacksquat November 7th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Bourn or BJ Upton would be terrible acquisitions as they are very likely to be very overpaid by someone. They are not players you want to sign to 4+ year deals at 13+ mil/year, which is what they will probably get from someone.

  105. blake November 7th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    The status quo won’t be a playoff team next year

  106. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    blake November 7th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    My favorite solution to the budget is to forget about the budget

    ——————-

    Exactly!

  107. Against All Odds November 7th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    austinmac November 7th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    AAO,

    Levine may have argued for Soriano, but I agree it doesn’t happen if Hal says no. I hope Levine, that sweet talking fellow, can still be persuasive.

    —————-

    If it’s the end of December and the Yankees haven’t made a significant move and Josh is still out there you can be sure Levine will be in Hal’s ear. ;)

  108. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    jacksquat November 7th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Levine probably has to get approval from Hal/Hank. But he does make it obvious that Cashman definitely does not have autonomy. Must be hard for Cashman to plan when Levine/Hank could step in at any moment and screw things up.

    —————

    But that’s our argument.. that this is ridiculous and they can’t just step in at any moment and screw things up!

  109. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    ?@Ken_Rosenthal

    #Mariners again seeking offense. Free-agent hitters indicating greater interest with team moving in fences. We’ll see how it plays out.

  110. G. Love November 7th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    I would really hate a Tori Hunter signing. If we’re going to sign an old OF, let it be Ichiro. I don’t believe Hunter will hit more than .250-.260 for us and I doubt he’ll get 20HR’s. I’d rather have Ichiro’s speed, bat control, and pizazz in the OF. He was born to wear pinstripes. I also think he could out homer Hunter if he tried.

    I hope other GM’s price Hunter out of the Yankees market.

    Everything is so quiet around the team right now I am thinking something big is coming. The expectations for the off season have been the lowest since I can remember the way things are progressing and the Yankees are talking. If this continues, all they are doing is letting air out of a balloon that was already deflating.

    As for Cano I think he’s gone if he makes it to free agency. I would offer him the 8 year 160 million deal now and tear up his contract for 2013 so it starts immediately. If he passes on that? He’s pretty much gone. Boras will create a Votto market for him somewhere & the Yankees are going to be paying for the sins of resigning Arod & getting the C- version of Tex for the next 6 years.

    Right now the off season plan is sign old guys and get Grandy a new pair of contacts.

    I don’t believe that’s the real plan for one minute.

  111. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal

    Also on #Mariners. Club now views Brandon Mauer in same light as top pitching prospects Walker, Hultzen, Paxton. All highly regarded.

  112. Warning Track Power November 7th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    MTU November 7th, 2012 at 11:46 am
    We have 6 OF prospects : Austin, Williams, Flores, Santana, Almonte, and Heathcott

    Several Catching prospects: Romine, Murphy, and Sanchez

    2 2B guys: Adams and Joseph

    Tons of relievers in the Minors

    3 young arms: Nova, Hughes, Phelps

    You mean to tell me we can’t afford to part w some of that ?

    ————————————————————————————————————-
    Just because some of us here or the Yankees front office feels those players are worthy,
    does not mean that the other MLB teams feel the same.

  113. Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    …should I go back to trying to work out a trade for Texiera?

  114. blake November 7th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    “Everything is so quiet around the team right now I am thinking something big is coming”

    I hope so….but wouldn’t hold my breathe

  115. Against All Odds November 7th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Just because some of us here or the Yankees front office feels those players are worthy,
    does not mean that the other MLB teams feel the same.

    ————————–

    Exactly. Ask any Yankees fan what do they think about Hughes and they’ll say at worst a 3 but at nest a 2. Now ask fans of other teams and they say a 4 or a 5 guy around there.

  116. austinmac November 7th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    Analysis:

    We could bring back the same team with some lesser players, not make the playoffs, but have a greatly reduced payroll while watching attendance and ratings continue to go down.

    Alternatively, we could continue on the path of trying to field a championship team even if it means some penalties beleiving it will turn around the income decline.

    To me, those are the real choices. Unfortunately, that decision has already been made by Hal. I doubt Cashman would tell him that despite having power for many years, the team still can’t win without spending.

  117. DONNYBROOK November 7th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Yea, I watched Romine last weekend on tv. TOP SB guy in the Minors stole 3B off him, when he lollypoped the ball back to the SP. STILL wet behind the ears. NEXT

  118. G. Love November 7th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    blake,

    At the end of the day it’s the entertainment business. If the Yankees aren’t perceived as being entertaining, the business will suffer.

    Right now you have a fanbase who doesn’t believe in the highly paid hitters outside of Jeter. An endless stream of “Grandy needs glasses” and “Arod is in the best shape of his life” stories isn’t going to work this time.

    I think the Yankees are struggling right now on how to proceed and I think the know the right way is to keep the fans happy. Resigning Mo, Kuroda and Pettitte placates some fans, but still doesn’t address the issues the club has offensively.

    They have no long term RF, their CF is a rental at this point and their LF can’t stay healthy.

    Something is going to happen.

    I think they should think long & hard about signing Haren in addition to Pettite/Kuroda and using Hughes/Nova/Phelps as a trade chip for some offense.

    Hughes especially because I think he’ll have zero loyalty to the Yankees when he hits free agency in 2014 (and he shouldn’t show loyalty the way he’s been moved from the pen & back) and will go where he wants to go.

  119. Against All Odds November 7th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

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  120. austinmac November 7th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    G Love,

    I hope you’re right, but I doubt it. Absent getting rid of significant salary they aren’t taking on anyone costly.

    I agree with you on Hunter. Last year was an aberration. He will decline.

  121. jacksquat November 7th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    G.Love, I think right now they have to wait for the qualifying offer decisions, and see if they are getting Kuroda and/or Pettitte back. If they don’t get both Kuroda and Pettitte, or just one, they have to add pitching.

  122. austinmac November 7th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    SI had an article last week saying Cashman has by far the most difficult winter of any GM ahead of him. I agree. Too many holes with too little money and an inability to give multi-year contracts. If he can rebuild the team under these circustances, he is a miracle worker.

  123. blake November 7th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    G Love,

    You’d think that would be the case…. But the tea leaves just show very little evidence that that’s how they feel.

    I get a feeling of satisfaction when I hear the quotes and vibe about 2012…..

    I hope they have a pulse of the fans…..and Im sure they do…..Im honestly just not sure they care so long as the margins are still where they want them.

    I hope something big is coming……my heart says yes…..my head keeps saying be ready for more of the same

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