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GM Meetings Day 1 notes:

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For a full half hour, Brian Cashman stood in the back of a banquet room and used a lot of words to say very little. This first day of the GM Meetings was coming to a close, and Cashman knew he wouldn’t able to say much.

“All the great words you can already predict,” he said as way of a warning. “Preliminary stages. Kicking the tires. … There’s something I typically say every winter that you guys throw back at me, like yeah, I have used that. It’ll come to me when I answer something.”

Sure enough, it came to him within seconds.

“I couldn’t say. I wouldn’t say.”

So what could Cashman say? What would he say? Well, it wasn’t much, but here are the highlights.

He believes (and hopes) Andy Pettitte will decide to play again
“I talked to Andy a few days after we got eliminated,” Cashman said. “In that conversation, he was going to take his family away, his son was playing in a tournament. He just said he’s going to take some time, talk to his family. It wasn’t going to take long. I didn’t ask how long ‘long’ was, but he’ll call me. I’m not going to push him. He’ll let me know when he’s made a final decision about whatever he’s choosing to do. I hope he plays. I believe that it’s in his blood that he wants to play. I believe that, but it doesn’t guarantee anything. But I think he wants to play, and I’m hoping he’ll call and tell me that.”

He doesn’t expect Mariano Rivera’s contract to be a problem
“He obviously wants to be here, and we want him back,” Cashman said. “That’s the hard part. So I’m confident we’ll be able to work through the issues, whatever they are.”

He doesn’t expect to get anything officially done during these meetings
“On the front end, it’s baby steps for us,” Cashman said. “We have qualifying offers out there, which if you add up, it’s a lot of money. I don’t foresee us really being able to do anything until we have decisions made on those qualifying offers regardless. So that should give me some cover until Friday. … I’ve got a little bit of an idea of which players are available on the trade market, but maybe I leave here with some other candidates that I wasn’t aware of, or you drill down in further conversation and you see if you can pry a guy that maybe isn’t available but you can try to take from somebody or convince them to give up. We’ll see. I don’t know.”

He still has no plans of trading Alex Rodriguez
“I’ve already been on record right after the postseason, we’re not trading Alex,” Cashman said. “So hopefully the Alex stuff stops. I’m reiterating, we’re not trading Alex Rodriguez. I’ve talked to every team in baseball, I have not offered Alex in any trade, and you’ll be able to confirm that with them. … No, (no team has asked about Rodriguez’s availability). They probably read my comments.”

Michael Pineda’s rehab is on track, but he’s still not in the immediate picture
“I think we’re going to put him off to the side,” Cashman said. “His rehab will take him into — which is going fine, but he’s just flat-ground throwing – but it will take him into late May (or) June. I think it’s best for us to pretend he’s not even there and then have him sneak up on us. And I hope he does, but I’m not going to count on him. I don’t think that’s going to be fair. Our fans need us to obviously put something there that you feel good about, and I don’t want to put something there that will take care of it in April and May and it’s kind of locked in, from June on we’re going to have this guy. That would be a mistake. He’ll be ready when he’s ready, and we’ll be happy to take him. But to count on him would be wrong.”

David Phelps is still considered a starter within the organization
“I don’t pencil him in anywhere right now, but I think he’s best as a starter,” Cashman said. “Good starters can all go to the pen. Pens are where failed starters go. He can do that. All our starters can do that. … Mo was a failed starter. Sorry Mo. The only failure he ever had.”

A few other quick notes from today

• Robinson Cano was named one of the top five finalists for the MVP award. Honestly, after watching this team all year, I don’t think I could have put Cano in my top five on an MVP ballot. Top 10 probably, but not top five. I probably would have put Derek Jeter higher.

• Jeter will not be able to play in the World Baseball Classic because of his ankle injury.

• Cashman dismissed any concerns about Jeter being able to play shortstop in the wake of his ankle injury. Cashman said the team’s medical staff is telling him Jeter will have time to train and be his old self. “He’s non-weight bearing until January,” Cashman said. “Despite that, all is good on that end.”

• Moving Curtis Granderson to left field is a possiblity, so is having a lineup with two light-hitting outfielders in Brett Gardner and Ichiro Suzuki. Cashman wasn’t really in the rule-things-out mode.

• Cashman has spoken to the agents for all of the Yankees free agents, but he gave no indication of how far those conversations have gone.

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422 Responses to “GM Meetings Day 1 notes:”

  1. jacksquat November 7th, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    Mo was a failed starter. Sorry Mo. The only failure he ever had.

    Queue the “Mo could have been a starter if they just had some patience.” comments. ;)

  2. jacksquat November 7th, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    Come on now, Jeter had a fine year, but Cano was clearly more valuable.

  3. jr1212 November 7th, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    Best news of this post…… Pineda throwing of flat ground

  4. blake November 7th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    Justin Upton’s no-trade list last year included the Yankees, Red Sox, Indians, and Cubs, but Diamondbacks General Manager Kevin Towers now says that the no-trade list is made up of four new teams, tweets Nick Piecoro of The Arizona Republic. Towers said that it won’t keep him from speaking with those four teams and he has even had talks with one of them already (Twitter link).
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....SqP550A.99

    If that they are new teams means they are different then that’s good

  5. yankeefeminista November 7th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    Joba was never a failed starter.

  6. NYY fan in NH November 7th, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    Crossing my fingers on Pineda. Him coming back in June would be like a big trade happening. Hopefully he has his velocity and command back.

  7. austinmac November 7th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    At least Cashman acted as if he’s trying.

  8. jacksquat November 7th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    jr1212 November 7th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
    Best news of this post…… Pineda throwing of flat ground

    Yeah, at least we know he can stand up…

  9. The Return of Stoneburner November 7th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    Joba was never a failed starter.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ffL573XI50

  10. blake November 7th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    Pineda’s shoulder is still attached to his body….good sign

  11. Bronx Jeers November 7th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    “… Mo was a failed starter. Sorry Mo. The only failure he ever had.”

    ————–

    Unlike you you smug little twit.

  12. blake November 7th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    @jonmorosi: Kevin Towers asked if he will need to have socks knocked off to trade Justin Upton. KT lifted up foot to reveal … he was not wearing socks.

  13. jacksquat November 7th, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    BloggingBombers On 9/24, Cano was .293/.362/.519. His ridiculous 9-game streak to end the season made it .313/.379/.550. Numbers don’t tell the whole story.

    What a stupid argument.

    So what, on 9/9 he was hitting .305/.372/.544. Numbers go up and down, don’t ya know?

    Additionally, in those last 9 games in which Cano carried the team (.615/.628/1.026, 14 rbi), which he seems to imply don’t count somehow, the Yankees went 6-3. They won the division by only 2 games. Those games didn’t count?

    Btw, since I know he is thinking Jeter was the team MVP (because it sure as hell couldn’t be anyone else), he hit .225/.279/.275 in those last 9 games. Yeah, I know he was hurting and I’m not trying to knock Jeter at all here, but there is no grading on a curve, it is what it is.

    Yeah, he definitely does not tell the whole story…

  14. jacksquat November 7th, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    blake November 7th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
    @jonmorosi: Kevin Towers asked if he will need to have socks knocked off to trade Justin Upton. KT lifted up foot to reveal … he was not wearing socks.

    omg, someone already knocked the man’s socks off??

    *hugs prospects*

  15. Against All Odds November 7th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner November 7th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    Joba was never a failed starter.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ffL573XI50

    ————

    It’s the truth though.

    Joba is just a reminder how much they failed at developing starters.

  16. Against All Odds November 7th, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    blake November 7th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    Pineda’s shoulder is still attached to his body….good sign

    ———————-

    That’s ironic

  17. blake November 7th, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    @ajcbraves: #Braves might trade pitching to fill lineup needs http://t.co/RGWMQerD

  18. yankeefeminista November 7th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    Blake, better let Cashman know.

    Odds, QFT. He was never even given the chance to fail, so how would Cash know?

    Chad, any follow up with Cashman on Patterson taking Nardi’s place, and the latter being reassigned to Tampa?

  19. Against All Odds November 7th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    Odds, QFT. He was never even given the chance to fail, so how would Cash know?

    —————————————-

    That’s what’s crazy he never failed. They just pulled the rug out from him.

  20. Against All Odds November 7th, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    All our starters can do that

    —————

    Sounds good let’s put CC and Andy in the pen too smh

  21. blake November 7th, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    @BNightengale: The #dbacks are asking for third baseman or shortstop in return for Upton and #redsox are out

  22. Nick in SF November 7th, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    Tough crowd! Isn’t this our time of national and Yankee reconciliation?

  23. Jerkface November 7th, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    Please trade Nunez for JUpton or something.

  24. blake November 7th, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    November 7, 2012 at 10:50 pm
    Please trade Nunez for JUpton or something.

    Would they take Nunie as a piece ? I hope Cashman at least tries…..unless the Rangers offer Andrus then who else has a better one to offer than Nunez?

  25. Nick in SF November 7th, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    BREAKING: The four teams on Justin Upton’s new no-trade list are the Nippon Ham Fights, the Chiba Lotte Marines, the Chunichi Dragons, and the Yomiuri Giants. “Don’t post me, bro!” Upton said.

  26. jacksquat November 7th, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    Against All Odds November 7th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
    Odds, QFT. He was never even given the chance to fail, so how would Cash know?

    —————————————-

    That’s what’s crazy he never failed. They just pulled the rug out from him.

    There is a legit argument that he wasn’t given enough of a chance, even though his arm did fail just as a reliever, but to say he didn’t fail at all is incorrect. 31 starts in 2009, 4.75 ERA. Not total failure, but not exactly success either. Of course that is a 97 ERA+ for that year, and Hughes just put up a 99 ERA+, so…

  27. jacksquat November 7th, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    blake November 7th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
    November 7, 2012 at 10:50 pm
    Please trade Nunez for JUpton or something.

    Would they take Nunie as a piece ? I hope Cashman at least tries…..unless the Rangers offer Andrus then who else has a better one to offer than Nunez?

    Likely only a small piece, if they would even consider him.

    I don’t think the Yankees have the players necessary, possibly with a 3 way trade, but not really having upper level prospects is not good. Hughes only 1 year left, Nova had a bad year, Phelps more to prove, Gardner missed most of year, etc.

  28. jacksquat November 7th, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    Nick in SF November 7th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
    BREAKING: The four teams on Justin Upton’s new no-trade list are the Nippon Ham Fights, the Chiba Lotte Marines, the Chunichi Dragons, and the Yomiuri Giants. “Don’t post me, bro!” Upton said.

    Upton is on record for not liking Ham Fights.

  29. Against All Odds November 7th, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    jacksquat November 7th, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    Against All Odds November 7th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
    Odds, QFT. He was never even given the chance to fail, so how would Cash know?

    —————————————-

    That’s what’s crazy he never failed. They just pulled the rug out from him.

    There is a legit argument that he wasn’t given enough of a chance, even though his arm did fail just as a reliever, but to say he didn’t fail at all is incorrect. 31 starts in 2009, 4.75 ERA. Not total failure, but not exactly success either. Of course that is a 97 ERA+ for that year, and Hughes just put up a 99 ERA+, so…

    —————————

    True but for a kid in his second yr of starting I would take it

  30. Nick in SF November 7th, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    Ham Fights are now legal in Colorado and Washington, so the Rockies and Mariners will be on Upton’s new list.

  31. theREALkevin November 8th, 2012 at 1:13 am

    Cashman comes off as such a douche. Definitely speaks with the arrogance and self assurance of someone who knows his job is safe for life.

  32. smurfy November 8th, 2012 at 1:17 am

    “Pens are where failed starters go….” WTF? Brian, uh, wouldn’t you rather win friends and influence people?

    I definitely agree, Chad, Derek is the top MVP candidate from the Yanks in 2012.

  33. jacksquat November 8th, 2012 at 3:06 am

    Relievers do come from failed starters, almost exclusively. Some people can’t handle the truth.

  34. blake November 8th, 2012 at 7:12 am

    This new toolbar thing is horrible

  35. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank November 8th, 2012 at 7:14 am

    Jeter may not have been as hot as cano the last 9 games, but he sure was more noticeable than cano the first 153.

  36. Yankee Trader November 8th, 2012 at 7:23 am

    Good morning-
    Anyone up?

    Just finished reading this mornings NY Post article and Not Happy.

    INDIAN WELLS, Calif. — The Yankees are so serious about dropping under that $189 million luxury tax threshold for 2014 that, according to a source briefed on their plans, they would not even do a two-year contract in the $20 million range with Torii Hunter, The Post has learned.

    Though Arizona’s Justin Upton has become available at the GM Meetings, a person involved in discussions said, “The Yankees are not on him.”

    Cashman: “We are not going to be over the $189 million.”

    That is why they are fixating as much as possible again on one-year contracts.

    So how do the Yankees’ find a replacement to Swisher that a) costs little and b) approximates the 24 homers, 93 RBIs and .837 OPS

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....zhfFAAGJ/0

    Read the entire article. BTW Rumor is the Rays and Rangers are after Justin Upton.

    More of the same, I’m afraid! :(

  37. blake November 8th, 2012 at 7:25 am

    I don’t like where this franchise is going.

  38. blake November 8th, 2012 at 7:28 am

    They shouldn’t give Hunter 2/20…. But Upton is exactly the kind of guy that they need if they can get him without destroying the farm

  39. Yankee Trader November 8th, 2012 at 7:31 am

    Blake and Trigeminal Neuralgia[ouch] Yank-

    Good morning.

    Find the Yankees a right fielder[any outfielder] for one year, that can come close to duplicating Swisher’s 2012 production.
    Here’s one way-trade for one with one year left before FA.

    Jason Kubel (32) – $7.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
    Mike Morse (32)
    Carlos Beltran (37)
    Shin-Soo Choo (31)
    Nelson Cruz (33)
    Corey Hart (32)
    Hunter Pence (31)

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....YMr98WA.99

  40. blake November 8th, 2012 at 7:34 am

    Some won’t want to hear this but if the Yanks aren’t going to spend any money and they won’t make a trade then their best shot to replace Swisher’s production the cheapest is Melky Cabrera…..and they won’t do that either so basically it seems like 2013 is going to suck

  41. blake November 8th, 2012 at 7:35 am

    Choo is the other guy to look at if the Indians will trade him reasonably…..problem is that he was just dreadful in 2012 vs LHP and the Yanks already have too many of those

  42. blake November 8th, 2012 at 7:37 am

    Chad,

    How can we get rid of this new tool bar on the mobile site and get back to the old one? This new one doesn’t have the short link and you have to scroll all the way back up to the top to refresh the site….

  43. Yankee Trader November 8th, 2012 at 7:38 am

    The other way is cheap platoon of older players or AAA players.

    Ibanez/any old righty with power

    Dickerson/Mustelier

    Next way to find some production and power from your corner OF’er:

    Trade for a good young one, but utilize Robinson Cano if you truly believe an extension for him will destroy all plans to stay under the 189M 2014 thru 2016.

    Open to other crummy ideas.

  44. Yankee Trader November 8th, 2012 at 7:39 am

    Blake-

    Press F5 on your computer, to refresh the page.

  45. Yankee Trader November 8th, 2012 at 7:41 am

    Sorry. Your asking for the mobile site. Don’t know how to do that.

  46. blake November 8th, 2012 at 7:42 am

    Yankee fans won’t go to the games if they field the same old thing again next year

  47. blake November 8th, 2012 at 7:43 am

    Blake-

    Press F5 on your computer, to refresh the page.

    Problem is on phone

  48. RadioKev November 8th, 2012 at 7:45 am

    blake November 8th, 2012 at 7:28 am
    They shouldn’t give Hunter 2/20…. But Upton is exactly the kind of guy that they need if they can get him without destroying the farm
    ———

    But that’s unlikely.

  49. blake November 8th, 2012 at 7:45 am

    If the Yanks can’t fit 8.5 million for Justin Upton under 189 then they aren’t very creative

  50. blake November 8th, 2012 at 7:46 am

    They should trade Cano for as much as they can get if they are gonna be like this…..because they won’t sign him

  51. Yankee Trader November 8th, 2012 at 7:47 am

    From the list of 2014 FA’s there is Corey Hart.

    Per Cots: 13:$10M
    limited no-trade clause (may block deals to 15 clubs)

    The Brewers are rumored to be a landing spot for Josh Hamilton. If they need to free up some money for him, maybe looking to trade Hart[RF/1B].

  52. Tar November 8th, 2012 at 7:49 am

    Good morning

    Blake

    I have an IPhone I don’t see any difference. But then again, I didn’t know you could refresh without scrolling to the top. How did you do that?

  53. blake November 8th, 2012 at 7:50 am

    Tar,

    They used to have a short link that followed den as you scrolled

  54. Yankee Trader November 8th, 2012 at 7:51 am

    Kev-

    Good morning. Read my earlier post and this mornings attached NY Post article and see why Blake and I are upset! :(

  55. austinmac November 8th, 2012 at 7:51 am

    Yep, it is going to get ugly. The reality is they won’t be in on anyone who has or requires a contract in 2014. Good luck on fielding a competitive team.

    I must hope for a half empty stadium. That’s what it would take. Of course, they would probably cut more cost.

  56. Yankee Trader November 8th, 2012 at 7:55 am

    Tar-

    I tried having Siri refresh the page but she’s being stubborn.

  57. austinmac November 8th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    YT,

    Corey Hart does only have one year on his contract. What are they planning, another dozen openings next year? Did anyone tell the they need 25 players in 2014 too?

  58. 86w183 November 8th, 2012 at 8:01 am

    Morning folks —

    Hart is an interesting idea. He’s just OK in the OF, but he’d sure help dissuade teams from loading up on LHP. Milwaukee is extremely RH oriented offensively, so would a Hart/Granderson swap make sense?

    The best way to avoid problems with $ 189 is to avoid HUGE contracts. The Yanks already have three such deals and getting to five of them would mean about 50 – 60 % of payroll was tied up with those guys. Not a good strategy at all.

    That’s why a potential Cano deal has to be considered.

  59. mick November 8th, 2012 at 8:01 am

    What MLB has done is legalize collusion.
    No wonder Hal pushed for this cap.
    1 year deals will rule.
    Why not?

  60. yankee21 November 8th, 2012 at 8:02 am

    As usual, Cashman always comes across as an arrogant SOB.

    This is a guy who seemingly does everything he can to quench any smidgeon of excitement from a fan base. He constantly lowers expectations until you have nothing to be a fan about.

    Some fans will say we are spoiled. They couldn’t be more wrong. This franchise extracts a premium from its fans in terms of ticket prices, concessions and parking fees. However it seems to have zero commitment to maintaining a premium product on the field. Therefore it is asking its fans to pay a premium for a less than premium product.

    Fans will not just drift away. They will completely abandon YS sometime next year and I predict the seats will be at 50-60% capacity.

    If NY is not going to extend Cano or Hughes they need to trade them.
    If they have no plans for Granderson beyond this year, and they shouldn’t if they have a brain, they need to see what he can bring in a trade.

    It appears Cashman has zero ability to think outside the box and anticipate what moves need to be made.

  61. Yankee Trader November 8th, 2012 at 8:02 am

    So again. How do you replace Swisher’s 2012 production and manage to only use a player you trade for or sign that is a FA after the season?

    Swisher 537 at bats, .272BA; .473 slugging%; .364 OB%; 36 doubles; 24 homers; 93 RBIs; .270 vs lefties; .273 vs righties.

  62. mick November 8th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    You shop at garage sales.

  63. Yankee Trader November 8th, 2012 at 8:07 am

    I’m going to post this again for all of you, since I have to leave soon for a dentist’s appt. This is the gist of this morning’s frustration.

    INDIAN WELLS, Calif. — The Yankees are so serious about dropping under that $189 million luxury tax threshold for 2014 that, according to a source briefed on their plans, they would not even do a two-year contract in the $20 million range with Torii Hunter, The Post has learned.

    Though Arizona’s Justin Upton has become available at the GM Meetings, a person involved in discussions said, “The Yankees are not on him.”

    Cashman: “We are not going to be over the $189 million.”

    That is why they are fixating as much as possible again on one-year contracts.

    So how do the Yankees’ find a replacement to Swisher that a) costs little and b) approximates the 24 homers, 93 RBIs and .837 OPS

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....zhfFAAGJ/0

    Read the entire article. BTW Rumor is the Rays and Rangers are after Justin Upton.

    More of the same, I’m afraid! :(

  64. Tar November 8th, 2012 at 8:09 am

    Thanks Blake.

    YT

    No Siri for me. And after my confrontations with my wife’s Siri, probably not one in my future either. :D .

    Have a good day everyone.

  65. mick November 8th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    Why would Andy change to Jeter’s agent if he’s not coming back?
    Sounds like he wants either a 2 year deal or an incentive laden one or both.

  66. yankeefeminista November 8th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Good morning! Let’s just hope Austin and/or et al is available in 2014. I am down with cheap, if it is cheap and young. Otherwise, I’m not playing.
    ——
    “There is a legit argument that he wasn’t given enough of a chance, even though his arm did fail just as a reliever, but to say he didn’t fail at all is incorrect. 31 starts in 2009, 4.75 ERA. Not total failure, but not exactly success either. Of course that is a 97 ERA+ for that year, and Hughes just put up a 99 ERA+, so…”
    —-
    If the discussion was based on an arm issue the move would perhaps be open to debate (although we have no facts), but I wouldn’t be citing Joba’s ERA as a reason to move him to the pen. That is a waste of time and really has no place in a discussion about his pen demotion.

  67. austinmac November 8th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Wow, Cashman realized they are losing a significant offensive piece in Swisher. Too bad he won’t replace it. Bet money Ichiro is the replacement. He’s only seven years older. I bet next year’s team will be older than last year’s oldest team in baseball.

    That is planning ahead. Get older and weaker, but Hal will save money.

    Please sell the team.

  68. Yankee Trader November 8th, 2012 at 8:15 am

    Have to go. I’ll check back later for updates and solutions for RF, since Cashman doesn’t aim to please his fan base and paying customers.

    I don’t think Cashman is in stealth mode anymore. His U2 has been shot down.

    Have a great day.

    Maybe we’ll at least hear that Kuroda is coming back today!

  69. yankeefeminista November 8th, 2012 at 8:15 am

    “Spoiled” is euphemistic for mailing it in. Sorry that doesn’t fly.

  70. yankeefeminista November 8th, 2012 at 8:17 am

    YT, Kuroda returning would be a nice bit of news. Have a good day!

  71. blake November 8th, 2012 at 8:18 am

    “So again. How do you replace Swisher’s 2012 production and manage to only use a player you trade for or sign that is a FA after the season?”

    If they won’t spend money….and won’t get creative with a trade…..then Melky is the best bet on a 1 year deal

  72. austinmac November 8th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    Someone please explain the 2014 plan to me if they don’t want to contract into then. They must be relying on a number of rookies on the team.

  73. blake November 8th, 2012 at 8:20 am

    Yankee stadium will be a ghost town by June and they will miss the playoffs if they do nothing this winter…..

  74. blake November 8th, 2012 at 8:22 am

    @Joelsherman1: 1 other item on Upton: #Diamondbacks want high-end can-play in MLB now as key return. For example, would love Andrus from #Rangers (cont)

    If the Rangers offer Andrus then Upton is gone…..The silver lining there would be that maybe cash could get Andrus from Towers later easier than he could Texas……if Im Texas though I don’t make that trade….I keep both Andrus and Profar

  75. yankeefeminista November 8th, 2012 at 8:23 am

    They’re hoping for Austin + 1 in 2014.

  76. blake November 8th, 2012 at 8:23 am

    @Joelsherman1: Who do #Yankees have to do that? Nunez likely not hi-end enough #D’backs GM Towers worked for Yanks in ’10/big fan of Mason Williams (cont)

  77. mick November 8th, 2012 at 8:24 am

    Forget Joba’s numbers. He was a 5 inning pitcher who nibbled.
    Better off in the pen…

  78. mick November 8th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    The Yanks will not do nothing this winter and they will make the playoffs.
    Less depending on power, more high OBP guys are needed.

  79. 86w183 November 8th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    Blake —-

    There’s no chance in hell that they do “nothing” this winter.

    They may not do anything you like. They may not do anything I like — we tend to like the same things — but they have to do something.

    I think it picks up once the QO decisions are made by Swisher, Kuroda and Soriano.

    They really only have room for one more $ 20 M +/year guy before they run into all kinds of logistical issues. Should that be Cano? Grienke? Hamilton?

  80. blake November 8th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    Nova, Nunez, Mason is or something like that is about my ceiling offer for Upton…..you’d still have Heathcott as a CF prospect and he’s probably closer to the big leagues than mason is

  81. blake November 8th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    Blake —-

    There’s no chance in hell that they do “nothing” this winter.

    Well of course they’ll do something cause they don’t even have a full team right now…. What I meant was maintaining the status quo….. Sending roughly the same team out there only a year older

  82. blake November 8th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    “They really only have room for one more $ 20 M +/year guy before they run into all kinds of logistical issues. Should that be Cano? Grienke? Hamilton?”

    I think Cano is going to cost close to 200 million…..I don’t think they need Greinke…..so if Hamilton’s price falls within the 5 year range Id rather them sign him as the term would be shorter than Cano……

    I love Robbie but in a 8 year deal Im really afraid it would turn ugly about halfway through……recent history just shows that you do not give big contracts to guys who have already had their 30th birthday unless you are willing to deal with the consequences down the road and the Yankees don’t appear to be willing anymore to do that

  83. blake November 8th, 2012 at 8:36 am

    @Joelsherman1: 1 other thing: #Yankees not sure Upton great NY fit

    I’m so sick of this narrative,,…the only guys they think are good fits are old guys

  84. Cashmoney November 8th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    look, just an opinion. no problem with the Yankees sticking to their budget and go cheap. The problem i anticipating of having is the Yankees stay status quo and try to make the playoff via bargain bin patchwork. If you insist on budget restraint then the smart thing is make veterans you project that won’t contribute in 2 to 3 years available. by that I mean have open ears and look for opportune moments to maximize these guys trade values. Don’t go retarded half way and try to squeeze into the playoff.

  85. Cashmoney November 8th, 2012 at 8:39 am

    on joba, i don’t think his arm can hold up to the rigors of a starter.

  86. Cashmoney November 8th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    blake, just wait and see if something happens, the newspaper dudes are there to sell paper…

  87. yankeefeminista November 8th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    Heathcott will definitely be ready before Mason IF Heathcott can stay healthy.

    As for Joba “nibbling,” young pitchers do tend to nibble; it’s part of the growing progress. But you live with it. Again, can’t pull up stats, but he was aware that he needed to improved and learn that you have to adjust/be more economical instead of trying to strike everyone out. Anyway, water under the bridge but these Joba narratives don’t fly.

  88. austinmac November 8th, 2012 at 8:44 am

    A number of teams are reported to be interested in Melky. The Yankees wouldn’t outbid anyone. Some may even give him the dreaded second year.

    As much as we enjoy ideas to better the team, none will work if they won’t spend money or get a player with a contract beyond 2013. No desired player would do that.

    I hate to be a doomsayers, but I see and hear nothing to give me the remotest bit of optimism the “gaping holes” will be filled with good players.

  89. yankeefeminista November 8th, 2012 at 8:44 am

    Yeah, as I said earlier, I don’t see Nunez as a Tower must have.

  90. Cashmoney November 8th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    man, I hate Cashman more and more everyday on a personal level… what a smug little deekwad , he deserved to have a crazy one stalking him.

  91. 86w183 November 8th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    A SS with the skill set of Andrus is much harder to find than an OF like Upton. Texas would be making a mistake to make that exchange in my opinion.

    I’ll be very disappointed if the Yanks head into 2013 with a similar HR dependent offense and a crappy defensive OF. I’d rather see Tyler Austin in RF than Torii Hunter.

    If Towers has a man crush on Mason Williams then there may be a deal to be done there. If Kuroda and Pettitte return the Yanks can dangle Hughes/Nova and/or Phelps/Warren to get a deal done.

  92. blake November 8th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    “Yeah, as I said earlier, I don’t see Nunez as a Tower must have.”

    Nah but I guess the question is if Nunez was a piece in a deal would he be enough to satisfy the SS requirement.

  93. yankeefeminista November 8th, 2012 at 8:48 am

    Considering our quick playoff exit and the STH exodus, you would think Cashman would be trying to do something constructive to quell the fan base and improve the team, as well as make Cash look smart.

  94. G. Love November 8th, 2012 at 8:50 am

    I’m telling you now, if the plan is just get below $189 million, season tickets will be cancelled. I don’t believe I’m the only one who is thinking this way in this position.

    They’ll be the Mets in 3 years if this is the organizational mandate.

  95. yankeefeminista November 8th, 2012 at 8:50 am

    Blake, I think not.

  96. austinmac November 8th, 2012 at 8:53 am

    YF,

    The Yankee priority is payroll cuts and not the fan base. It is clear from every word said by Cashman. These people are foolish beyond my comprehension.

    Take a thriving business, change the way it operates and alienate the client base to save some money. Good business model.

  97. blake November 8th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    “A SS with the skill set of Andrus is much harder to find than an OF like Upton. Texas would be making a mistake to make that exchange in my opinion.”

    I agree….I wouldn’t make that deal if I’m Texas

  98. austinmac November 8th, 2012 at 8:58 am

    G. Love,

    Getting under 189 is an absolute mandate from what I see. Ownership has seen so much financial success they believe it is a certainty. They will be in for a big surprise. 1965 all over again.

  99. mick November 8th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Joba nibbled because he is better suited to be a reliever where he can pitch to his mindset.
    He is just not efficient enough to be a consistent starter which is why he reached 100 pitches by the 5th inning every time out.

  100. yankee21 November 8th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    austinmac

    I would love for some reporter, likely Sherman, to call out Cashman and Hal to tell so called “yankee universe” how they are going to build a championship caliber team while getting down to 189.

    What is their 2013 and 3-5 year plan? Paying customers (season ticket holders) want to know.

    If you refuse to say or dismiss it in the typical arrogant smug fashion, then fans will simply take their entertainment dollars elsewhere. Customers want what they want. They do not want b*ll s**t. And fans do not want to be treated like morons. Fans will do something else and Yes ratings and revenue will plummet.

  101. blake November 8th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    As I said last week….the status quo will carry serious risk of missing the playoffs and making YS a ghost town by June……they might could eek out another playoff birth but to me the chances of a Phillies like collapse would be just as great if not greater

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    I can dig the $189 mandate if we go with youth, going forward, but otherwise I won’t be a happy camper, and I won’t continue to invest in this kind of team. I’ll just go the stubhub route and watch Trenton play instead, while saving about 5 grand a year. My hope is that we expect to bring in the kids, starting in 2014, and that they are ready. But if we are going to go “sure thing” (which it actually isn’t ) and go vet happy, over letting the youth develop on mlb level, then SMH.

  103. blake November 8th, 2012 at 9:05 am

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  104. mick November 8th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    The chances of letting the youth pan out are slim and none. This has never worked esp for our team in NY. You take what you’re given, nothing can be done about it. Complain all you want, ownership is a crapshoot. We were lucky to have had George…

  105. yankeefeminista November 8th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    We do have pretty good pitching though. Just need that middle of order bat we have been talking about since the 2010 Texas series.

  106. blake November 8th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    November 8, 2012 at 9:10 am
    We do have pretty good pitching though. Just need that middle of order bat we have been talking about since the 2010 Texas series.

    We have middle of the order bats…..just look at their contracts!

  107. Cashmoney November 8th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    YF, i agree. I think it’s about having a plan, which at this point seems to point at patchworking and getting into the playoff, but that won’t benefit us down the road as oppose to having a coherent plan in making fair assessments of the talents you have, the talents you can part with at the right price whom doesn’t project into the future. Having the balls and conviction to execute. not being sentimental about it. I don’t see Cashman having the ability to correct evaluate that and the creativeness and foresight to execute that. but it’s nov 8, i am willing to give sometimes and benefit of the doubts.

  108. yankeefeminista November 8th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Nah, George is the old model; you have to develop your own or you will be left out in the cold with bad contracts. Yanks have to know that. It’s been the new MLB reality for a couple of years now.

  109. 86w183 November 8th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    It’s not like spring training is opening tomorrow…. stuff will happen.

    I think signing Melky would be a great first move. If Soriano turns down the QO — please do — I’d make a pitch for Soria and/or Affeldt.

    None of those moves would be financially punitive, but would strengthen the roster and give flexibility for making trade proposals.

  110. mick November 8th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    George was imperfect but fun yet frustrating.
    Yanks can try all they want to develop but it has never been their strong point plus it doesn’t work in a win or nothing town.

  111. yankeefeminista November 8th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    Cash, don’t disagree; talent evaluation is key. We do have a nice farm. An Austin and Mason/Heathcott added to that lineup makes a big difference. Also like a Flores type that brings a Bobby Abreu type bat to the mix. Wish that Sanchez would move faster, but still wonder if they like his D.

  112. 86w183 November 8th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    The Boss was one of a kind.

    I’m glad the Yanks are no longer such a knee-jerk over-reacting, impatient organization.

  113. yankeefeminista November 8th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    Sometimes you have a better shot at winning with youth though. The assumption that winning is predicated upon experience instead of talent is flawed thinking.

  114. yankeefeminista November 8th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Get Melky, Cash.

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  116. mick November 8th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    it doesn’t work in a win or nothing town.
    ============================
    too many variables….jeters and bernies are an anomaly.
    you don’t know if these kids can handle the pressure here.
    sure, give them a try amongst veterans but you can’t depend on it.
    they feel they have spent enough and opted for the cap.
    tough pill to swallow and there could be some lean times which could lead to the selling of team
    to a Cuban backlash.

  117. Cashmoney November 8th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    Yanks can try all they want to develop but it has never been their strong point plus it doesn’t work in a win or nothing town.
    —-
    mick, Yanks develop Bernie, Posada, MO,Pettite and Jeter during george’s absence. Those guys needed the time to develop. Was there a bit luck involved, sure. but it was under Michael’s watch and sabean’s scouting. will the attendance suffer during the low time, absolutely. But you can’t go buy everything like george did because under the new system, it simply isn’t realistic. If you don’t think this current crew are apt developing talents then the rational conclusion is to replace them. In any case, developing talents within are more important than anything else under the new cba. if you don’t learn to adapt, the Yankee will indeed be fading away as a perennial contender. to me, this is a necessity going forward.

  118. mick November 8th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    cash-
    i agree in theory and have enjoyed the ride but to reinvent the model will most likely be painstaking.
    relying on youth is a monumental crapshoot as it is with most teams and it’s not what this generation of yankee fans are used to.
    but so be it….as i said, it’s not our call….we watch the games and hope for the best.
    to some, that is actually enough.

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