Orioles reportedly going after Hamilton
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 07, 2012 
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Expecting the Orioles to fade away after their surprise season? Maybe not.
Jon Paul Morosi reports the Orioles are targeting Josh Hamilton for their left-field opening. Hamilton is clearly the top offensive player on the market, but he also comes with significant health and off-the-field concerns. It’s a massive risk-reward situation, and if it works, the Orioles could team Hamilton with Adam Jones and Nick Markakis to form a strong outfield. Morosi also reports the Orioles are interested in Cody Ross to bring some right-handed balance in the corners.
Factor in the breakout year from Chris Davis, the arrival of Manny Machado and the long-term presence of Matt Wieters and the Orioles could be putting together a potent offense. Of course, that’s assuming they can afford Hamilton, and assuming Hamilton lives up to his extreme talent.
UPDATE, 1:45 p.m.: Speaking of left fielders, the Mets have come to some sort of agreement to buy out Jason Bay’s contract. The team just announced the move. That’s fairly stunning.
On one hand this looks like Mark Teixeira all over again. On the other hand the new management in Balt may be willing to actually offer a contract. If no one else offers Hamilton the deal he wants maybe the Orioles sneak in with a 7 year deal. They offered 7 to Tex just for less money, maybe now they get a more flawed player for a similar amount.
What’s crazier, Dwade outclassing the Yanks or Lady Gaga doing it?
looks like the O’s won’t need as many walk off wins next year, if their starters cooperate
maybe just a ploy to get the Yanks to commit $ to the guy?
@MLB: BREAKING: @Mets and outfielder Jason Bay agree to part ways. Bay immediately becomes free agent.
wake me up when it happens… also we can put a dagger through blake’s heart.
Oh my god… we’re gonna sign Jason Bay, aren’t we?
@BryanHoch
CC Sabathia said he has been lobbying hard for Andy Pettitte to come back in 2013
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CC wants to win things… now novel.
The Bay news brings hope to those of us wanting A-Rod Gone.
If Bay is a comparably priced replacement for Andruw Jones it wouldn’t be the end of the world. He could have a bounce back season, and there was a time he was a very good RCF hitter.
Not my first choice, but not the worst option out there.
Can you imagine the buyout for Alex? $ 100 M to go away? wow
I wouldn’t touch Bay. The concussions have taken their toll.
@Joelsherman1
Bay is getting all $21M he is owed, the $16M salary, the $3M buyout and the $2M left on a signing bonus. Some is being deferred #Mets
lmao
Anyone Know how a buy-out effects a teams total payroll?
I wouldn’t touch Bay. The concussions have taken their toll.
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Probably so. Obviously he’d have to clear a battery of tests first. Maybe he’ll just retire.
Anyone Know how a buy-out effects a teams total payroll?
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It counts the same as if they didn’t buy him out.
@DKnobler
Mets have already paid Bay $47 million of the original $66 mill guaranteed. He hit 26 HR in his 3 years. Omar Infante hit 27 in same span.
Not sure MLB has ever had to deal with a long term, multi-year buyout.
I would assume you take the entire Luxury tax hit at once, which means dumping Alex could actually cost the Yanks $ 150 M + in 2013.
That’s not happening
later folks!
Well, if you pay a player Everything he is owed, I’m guessing that entire amt would be applied to That seasons team payroll total. Meaning, the Yanks Might be better off buying A-Rod out NOW, before the 2014 penalties are instituted, and they are added to the Yankee payroll for the following 4 seasons.
@JonHeymanCBS
#dodgers announce mark mcgwire as new hitting coach
Hamilton would make the Orioles lineup pretty darn good in the short term…..that’s a deal that they probably should consider as it would build goodwill with their fans and continue the momentum they were building last year…..it would show the fans that they are serious and that they are for real……they are competing with the Nats for fans in that area……
They might overpay…..but that’s a deal that would potentially have significance to orioles fans beyond what happens on the field
blake November 7th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
“Hughes was a slightly below league average pitcher this year”
The average #3 starter in baseball over the last 3 years has put up a 4.12 ERA. #4 a 4.51 ERA…..
99 ERA+
What the average #3 did is irrelevant and not of interest to me. The Yankees are not and should not be an average team even if they “only” are near the cap. Hughes’ performance should line up only with the #4 spot in the rotation, at best.
yankeefeminista November 7th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Hughes was much better in the second half. First he was still coming back from the layoff and still tinkering with his pitches. Second half Hughes is likely more representative of the Hughes we’ll see going forward. He is more a 3 than a 4, and still improving. I still hope that we lock him up.
4.33 ERA first half
4.12 ERA second half
I wouldn’t call that “much better”. 4.12 is still an average pitcher and that should only fill the #4 or 5 spot in a Yankee rotation. Pretty easily replaceable. No need to lock that up.
I would assume you take the entire Luxury tax hit at once, which means dumping Alex could actually cost the Yanks $ 150 M + in 2013.
That’s not happening
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Its covered in the CBA. You take the hit as per terms of the original contract. Deferments are not considered, they just cost the same as it would have been in the contract for each year. There are some extra rulings depending on the interest rate, but it doesn’t really matter. The Yankees would simply eat 27.5 AAV for the next 5 years.
Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
What’s crazier, Dwade outclassing the Yanks or Lady Gaga doing it?
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Not that I really care, since these are all just tax writeoffs for these people, but do Wade and Lady Gag do all the other charity stuff the Yankees do?
“What the average #3 did is irrelevant and not of interest to me. The Yankees are not and should not be an average team even if they “only” are near the cap. Hughes’ performance should line up only with the #4 spot in the rotation, at best.”
But the reason it was brought up was in terms of trade value. If he’s a number 4 for us, fine… but is he a #4 on the Royals?
Do the Yankees not get to also write off their philanthropy?
Virginia Tech got more money from us .. but that was with George.
Villa Nova-Ya November 7th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
There is something wrong with a fanbase that has trouble being excited that their team is in the playoffs, wins their division, has the best record in their league.
You want perfection? Ain’t ever gonna have it.
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Fans don’t want perfection. The fans on the team are realizing that the team is declining before their eyes and instead of trying to combat the age they seem to be standing still. At this point the farm was suppose to be a pipe line for the big league club and can anyone us say it is.
Do the Yankees not get to also write off their philanthropy?
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Nope. Well they can for real taxes, not for luxury tax
Buying a player out, is NO different than what the Yanks did when they traded AJ Burnett and ate the majority of his contract. The AAV changes. I would guess the same would be true inna buy-out agreement.
What is up fellas!
Couple things I want to share with you.
1. Tommy John is being changed to Brian Cashman surgery.
2. Never sign someone who played in a little league field. It consider a pop fly anywhere else.
3. Can we all pitch in and buy out Alex’s contract. We can put a commercial out that says for only .50 cents a day you wont have to look at Mr. Albotross again. I think it might work.
4. Can someone remind the Yankees front office that we are the Yankees not the Royals and just print out more money already!!
5. Can we sign or trade for someone born after 1982!
6. Is Oneil the hitting Coach yet?
7. No more contracts more than 5 years! No exception.
8. Time to use our young minor league resources to get younger in the Majors. We need to get more athletic and younger should spark the Yankee romance again.
9. Let every GM know all your players are open for business accept the good ones.
10. This team should have about 5 new starters to start the 2013 season. Yankees 2.0. If not by trade, bring some players up ala Cano and Melky.
JF – Dang
Thanks for the other info, though. The Mets should trade Wright. To the Yankees.
Buying a player out, is NO different than what the Yanks did when they traded AJ Burnett and ate the majority of his contract. The AAV changes. I would guess the same would be true inna buy-out agreement.
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No, you’re wrong. This is covered in the CBA. For AJ Burnett they traded his contract (meaning the other team assumes the cost) & then kicked in money to pay for it. The amount they had to pay was included in the Yankees Luxury Tax calculation & subtracted from the Pirates. If they buy out A-rod, the original terms of the contract deferment or not will be included in their luxury tax calculations until the terms of the contract are expired. This is all in the CBA.
Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Do the Yankees not get to also write off their philanthropy?
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They are included in “these people”.
I think its time for the Yanks to get some extra money from the stimulus package. Hamilton would hit 50 bombs in Yankee Stadium. Put him in Right field where his body isnt taxed as much.
@JonHeymanCBS
torii hunter looks like a coveted man on market. should get multiyear. bos, nyy, phi, tex, det, etc. http://cbsprt.co/Rid5jC
@DKnobler
MLB announces that Johnny Damon will indeed play for Thailand on 11/15 vs. Philippines in WBC qualifier.
“What the average #3 did is irrelevant and not of interest to me. The Yankees are not and should not be an average team even if they “only” are near the cap. Hughes’ performance should line up only with the #4 spot in the rotation, at best.”
It’s relevant when you consider who they can get who is better
Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
@JonHeymanCBS
torii hunter looks like a coveted man on market. should get multiyear. bos, nyy, phi, tex, det, etc. http://cbsprt.co/Rid5jC
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Crazy! Stay away from more than one year Yanks, please.
jacksquat November 7th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Do the Yankees not get to also write off their philanthropy?
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They are included in “these people”.
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I mean… NY-centric issue.. you’d think a NY team would throw down, that’s all. But like I said before, benevolence doesn’t fit the budget. Just ask your fans to donate instead.
blake November 7th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
“What the average #3 did is irrelevant and not of interest to me. The Yankees are not and should not be an average team even if they “only” are near the cap. Hughes’ performance should line up only with the #4 spot in the rotation, at best.”
It’s relevant when you consider who they can get who is better
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At that price.
The only reason to lock Hughes up would be to get him at a reasonable AAV.
Could the Yankees possibly do the same with ARod? Where there is a will there is a way! …Right?
blake November 7th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
“What the average #3 did is irrelevant and not of interest to me. The Yankees are not and should not be an average team even if they “only” are near the cap. Hughes’ performance should line up only with the #4 spot in the rotation, at best.”
It’s relevant when you consider who they can get who is better
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Are league average pitchers that hard to get? Nova has pitched better than that and could bounce back. Phelps could be league average. They have both those guys for 4+ more years, cheap. I just don’t see any reason to commit to multiple years for Hughes at 8 mil a year or whatever he would get.
“Are league average pitchers that hard to get? ”
Guys that are 26 and who can pitch to a 4ish ERA in the AL east aren’t that easy to find no…..
squat – I’m also shocked at the demand for Hunter but a lot of teams plug those OF holes this way (older player, short term deal). Is this guy getting $10 million a year????? Really?
I Am Winning November 7th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Could the Yankees possibly do the same with ARod? Where there is a will there is a way! …Right?
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We’re better off trading Tex, but no one liked that idea lol.
Could the Yankees possibly do the same with ARod? Where there is a will there is a way! …Right?
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No, it would be stupid. A-rod can still play. They aren’t going to pay all of A-rods contract for him to go play elsewhere.
Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
jacksquat November 7th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Shame Spencer November 7th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Do the Yankees not get to also write off their philanthropy?
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They are included in “these people”.
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I mean… NY-centric issue.. you’d think a NY team would throw down, that’s all. But like I said before, benevolence doesn’t fit the budget. Just ask your fans to donate instead.
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If you really want to get upset, consider that a bunch of those expensive “inside the moat” seats at YS are probably season tickets bought by banks, hedge funds, etc. to hand out to customers, and written off as business expenses, i.e. taxes not paid. So basically we are paying for those people to sit there.
The Yankees should be using their resources for player development, and to get younger and more competitive. We shouldn’t stand still and accept patch work solutions just to make the playoffs. We should always be improving ourselves. Fans don’t want to invest 5 or 10 grand in season tickets if the Yankees don’t try to compete on the highest level. I want the Yankees to be resourceful and on the cutting edge of the game, and not maintain some status quo, while other teams pass them by. Take some risks; develop your own players. Lose the battle, but win the war, if necessary.
I predicted more than a year ago the Yankees would be among the very least likely to spend money in the future. Most scoffed. I repeat that.
Every other team feels more flushed with money from the new TV deal. The Yankees get that money too, but unlike many other teams they pocket the extra money.
Ichiro, Ibanez, Nix come on down. Jones, how’s your thumb? Thank goodness we still control Eppley.
It is ridiculous the Yankees are in this position. It has been obvious where this was going without change two years ago. They did little to get younger, while doing miserably drafting and developing.
@DKnobler
For those asking, Johnny Damon’s mother is Thai, grew up there. He qualifies more than much of Italian team.
squat – I don’t wanna be upset, of course, and won’t be for the most part but dang man.. our area is legitimately destroyed in some places and LADY GAGA can double what a billion dollar business can offer? It just makes me feel gross. DWade, a guy from Chi-Town, gave more up on a personal level. It’s just a lil gross
YF,
I agree. If they won’t spend money, get younger to get better in the long term. Continuing to age and add stop gap players is no solution at all.
I fear they will realize too late the consequences of their inaction by attendance and ratings in the years ahead.
Look Hughes is never going to be the frontline guy that’s my thought he could be….but as I’ve posted before I think he finally turned a bit of a corner this year both in durability and with an assortment of pitches that are useful….
I think he will pitch like a good 3 going forward and better than that at times…..obviously I wouldn’t give him a huge contract but would be in favor of an affordable extension this winter if he was…..
@DPLennon
#Mets anxiously looked ahead to day when Bay and Santana were off books. One down – partly — one to go.
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Is it really even ‘partly’??
Unable to access my Hughes stats from the car, but you have to acknowledge he was an improved pitcher second half and that his CU, slider, repertoire will continue to improve. Hughes can be very valuable to us, depending on cost.
In some ways the Yankees are like a great song that you’ve heard so many times on the radio that you either don’t want to hear it anymore…..or you sorta just tune it out…..you still listen to the chorus or the guitar riff that’s cool ( Jeter or Mo or Andy)……but the rest of the song is played out and you just wanna hear something new and fresh…..
I think many Yankee fans crave to watch some players who might get better or who have their best days ahead of them…..
10th day of no power; it’s snowing in NJ and closed roads everywhere. We are going to some deaconry to sleep tonight b/c no hotels available today in NJ. We are getting detoured en route. We met people from all over the state last night who are also wandering miles to get a roof over their heads. I hope everyone who is seeking it finds shelter tonight.
They did little to get younger, while doing miserably drafting and developing.
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That’s the biggest issue. At this point the farm was suppose to be a pipeline. If they had a viable replacement for Swisher or Curtis or Cano I doubt anyone would be freaking out.
YF,
Sorry about the situation you guys are in….hope they get your power back on soon
Hughes improved a little, but… he just frustrates me. I feel like he should be farther along with his secondary pitches, even if he just had one good 2nd pitch. He could improve and I’m hoping he improves, I just wouldn’t count on it so much that I gave him a multiyear contract, unless it was really a good deal.
Thanks , Blake. It’s been surreal. But lots of people helping each other has been a good thing. I just hope this storm tonight blows over and the winds die down.
Cashman met with Excel Management Group last night, reports David Lennon of Newsday (on Twitter). Excel represents free agents Greinke and Scott Hairston, as well as many others.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....UVsQdwp.99
Id guess it was about Hairston or one of the many others…..
yankeefeminista says:
November 7, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Thanks , Blake. It’s been surreal. But lots of people helping each other has been a good thing. I just hope this storm tonight blows over and the winds die down.
I’m hoping so for y’all as well
I was actually pleased by Hughes’ development. I’d loved to keep him and continue to see improvement.
Trying to get to my house just to see if it is still there…I know we have no power. I hope others are faring better.
Sorry to hear about that YF.
My friend from Queens is in a similar situation. His mother and girlfriend are contacting a church in Brooklyn that may have a contract with a hotel. I think they plan on getting a room.
Odds, we’ve been all over creation to sleep. Finally, just don’t have the energy to drive back to PA. I hope your friends are safe and warm. At least my house is still standing.
Good to hear your house is still standing. I’m still amazed how powerful and far reaching this storm was.
Below is the situation my friend is in:
The women of the home are safe and closer to their work in Bklyn. We managed to fix the generator from being submerged in sea water and so far we can syphon gas from the our cars to power a few of the outlets. We’re cooking on a propane tank camping stove. The light isn’t really an issue at this point. Candles fix that
YF
Sorry.
hope you get power soon and your ankle feels better. Really feel bad for your guys up there.
YF,
Sorry for your miseries, but I am impressed with your continued Yankee focus. When I was a kid I went a week without power in Florida following a hurricane. However, it was warm. I hope it gets better very soon.
@MLBNetworkRadio: BREAKING NEWS – @Padres C Yasmani Grandal suspended 50 games for testing positive for testosterone.
Wow
I’m guessing Cashman will tell us he learned from his meetings this week that the prices in players and money is just too darn high.
YF – Sorry to hear that, good luck with everything – sadly, it’s already looking pretty awful out there.
JS, I wish he were further along also, but last year was a start, and Hughes is still pretty young. It was also nice that he stayed healthy. Nova I like if he can regain his command. And I doubt Yanks’ll give Warren, Marshall much of a shot. Marshall is really not their kind of pitcher, and Phelps only ended up in the mix because they were forced to use him. So interesting to see what we do.
Odds, sounds like they are survivors! We stayed for a few days but once it got below freezing, we had to leave. Luckily, we didn’t have the water issue that coastal areas had. Biggest problem beyond our own has been talking elderly people out of staying at their homes in the cold.
Tar, thanks. The ankle has gotten a work out. That’s for sure. At least I am in a walking boot. Again, just grateful that it wasn’t worse.
Can we just replace Cashman with the ‘RENT IS TOO DAMN HIGH’ guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4o-TeMHys0
At least he had awesome facial hair.
So… who can we get from the Padres for Austin Romine
Odds, sounds like they are survivors! We stayed for a few days but once it got below freezing, we had to leave. Luckily, we didn’t have the water issue that coastal areas had. Biggest problem beyond our own has been talking elderly people out of staying at their homes in the cold.
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Yes this has been incredibly hard on the elderly. They are in no position to deal with this type of situation. I hope everything improves sooner rather than later.
Shame, thanks! You OK? Did you get power back? It’s mostly wet snow right now and the wind isn’t too bad. Fingers crossed.
@JonHeymanCBS
#padres have decent catching depth. But 50-game suspension for grandal stings. #testosterone
Ugh.. never mind, since Jon Heyman insists on being a BUZZ KILL.
Chase Headley for Cervy!
Austin, thanks for that. & as for the Yankees, they have been and will always be my focus. It’s DNA.
fem – Thankfully my parents live close by so even though I’m still without power I have a couch to sleep on (and a nephew to wake me up in the middle of the night begging me to sneak him Halloween candy). Really, I can’t complain a bit… after seeing everything on the news and in the paper, I’d go without power for another month and not have a worry in the world. People’s lives have been dramatically effected, mine has only been inconvenienced thankfully.
@mlbtraderumors: D’Backs In “Active Discussions” About Justin Upton http://t.co/hUEzvcl5 #mlb
Lemmi guess Cash….too expensive
“Rosenthal says his limited no-trade clause included the Yankees, Red Sox, Indians, and Cubs this year, though the list has since changed.”
Umm… interesting… ?
I know the Yankees are still on it lol.
I really would like to have Justin Upton if they could get him without sacrificing too much…..Id just have to see the deal…..he’s a guy you risk on though because the upside is so high and he’s so young….the other question obviously is what they’d have to do to get him to wave his no trade
Umm… interesting… ?
I know the Yankees are still on it lol.
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He has to submit a new one for the next season, so I wonder if anyone can do reporting and find it out.
He has to submit a new one for the next season, so I wonder if anyone can do reporting and find it out.
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Chad…?
GM Meetings is usually ground work. Hopefully, Cashman gets the Padres involved.
Id guess Yankees are on it unless he wanted to put teams that would actually spend money on their to create leverage
Tim Tebow’s email account, for anyone interested: http://www.grantland.com/story.....ost-emails
Yanks and Red Sox probably stayed on the list since both need OFers and have cash (theoretically, anyway..).
I really, really hope the Sox find a way to not get better.
That list would probably depend on how bad he might want to get outta Arizona. His being shopped over-and-over has gotta be gettin’ old.
@Ken_Rosenthal
To add to previous story on JUpton: Multiple teams checking on his background, makeup, etc. Further evidence of his availability. #DBacks
JIM BOWDEN?@JimBowdenESPNxm
D-Backs looking to up-grade 3B, LH Reliever and a proven starting pitcher…open to trading Justin Upton if they can solve 2 or 3 ML holes
boone logan nova come on down!
If DBacks are looking to upgrade 3b, LHRP, and SP…would Phil Hughes, Boone Logan, and Eduardo Nunez get you Justin Upton?
This one goes out to mick:
“According to the company’s blog, the social media site hit record numbers with a mind-blowing 327,452 tweets posted per minute during peak hours.”
‘Upgrade’ is probably a key word there…
If they can get Upton with pitching then please do
coney1 November 7th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
If DBacks are looking to upgrade 3b, LHRP, and SP…would Phil Hughes, Boone Logan, and Eduardo Nunez get you Justin Upton?
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No it doesn’t
Joel Sherman?@Joelsherman1
Can confirm @Ken_Rosenthal that BJ Upton available, 1 exec said definitely gets moved. #diamondbacks. Keep eye on #Redsox
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The Sox have 1 OF, MIddlebrooks at 3b and tthree decent SPs. Where are they supposed to get the pieces the DBAcks are asking exactly?
blake November 7th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
If they can get Upton with pitching then please do
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How much pitching though? We’re in such a precarious spot, one I never thought we’d be in back in 2007. We still need Kuroda and Andy to come back for 2013 and if we do part with one or two of Hughes/Nova/Phelps, how do you fill out the 2014 rotation?
I guess you can figure you’ll have an extra 12-20 million if Andy and Kuroda both bounce?
I think you probably do need to make the deal and just worry about it later.. but man, not having any of our pitching prospects really hit has tied our hands. Or at least knowing none of them will hit by 2014, could tie our hands.
Nunez isn’t a 3B, so good luck there. We have no one to trade at 3B that they’d want.
Shame, glad to hear that you have your parents nearby. I feel lucky as well.
Odds, the elderly just don’t want to leave their homes. It’s hard to convince many of them that they are at risk.
Sherman’s talking about Justin, right?
i sure do hope the O’s sign Hamilton to a HUGE Multi-Million dollar contract for
an extended period of time.
let Buck and his staff worry about the next time Hamilton will relapse and cost the team a lot of wins.
Trading middlebrooks for Upton doesn’t help boston
“How much pitching though? We’re in such a precarious spot, one I never thought we’d be in back in 2007. We still need Kuroda and Andy to come back for 2013 and if we do part with one or two of Hughes/Nova/Phelps, how do you fill out the 2014 rotation?”
I’m banking on Pineda being back and being good….I know that’s risky but it was risky when they traded for him and you kinda have to take the jump if you can get Upton……hope Banuelos gets healthy….hope you can sign a Garcia if need be
JUp this way
“I’m banking on Pineda being back and being good…”
Oooooooh.
I was so not there with you, blake. Pineda is on my radar as much as Igawa was lol. But you’re right..