The reality of $189 million
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 08, 2012 
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It’s lunchtime back in New York, but things are really just getting started here in California, and the story that’s hard to ignore this morning is Joel Sherman’s latest saying the Yankees financial concerns will keep them from offering anything more than a one-year deal for Torii Hunter.
The Yankees have significant money coming off the books this year — most notably Nick Swisher and Rafael Soriano — but the contracts of Andy Pettitte, Hiroki Kuroda and Mariano Rivera basically have to be spent on replacements or re-signings. The Yankees also have to give several arbitration raises and consider the cost of re-signing or replacing Robinson Cano, Curtis Granderson and (potentially) Derek Jeter in 2014. There’s money coming off, but there’s also money to spent, and the Yankees have found in the past that they can piece together a corner outfield situation using low-cost veterans.
Even so, it’s fairly stunning to think of the Yankees being unable to offer so much as a two-year deal to a guy like Hunter, who’s biggest paydays are behind him. Could be all about focusing assets. If the Yankees are going to cut payroll, they’re going to have to pick and choose where to spend, and spending in the outfield corners would take away ability to spend in the rotation or on a long-term commitment to Cano.
Whatever the strategy, the $189-million goal for 2014 is very real.
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Also of note in Sherman’s column: The Yankees don’t seem to be serious players for Justin Upton. Makes sense if only because the Yankees don’t seem to be a good fit for such a trade. Already a guy like Elvis Andrus is being tossed around as a possible trade match, and the Yankees don’t have a guy like that to offer. With their top minor league talent still in the lower levels, a swap with th
Chip November 8th, 2012 at 11:56 am
yankee21 November 8th, 2012 at 11:51 am
…Still gotta wonder why Gutless Hal voted to approve the current CBA….
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Immaterial – it would have passed with or without his vote.
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It’s not immaterial. It’s true that it would have passed regardless, but George used to fight this type of thing all the time, and loudly. George didn’t make the best decisions but the money and unrelenting desire to win at almost any cost was a constant. And that combined with letting (or initially being forced to have) baseball people make more decisions was good. Hal seems to be all about the money, the lip service about winning is thinly veiled.
I think that Hal and Cashman are going to find out that getting down to $189m and making the playoffs every year is hard to do with this current roster. It’s something that would have to be planned out and done in a 4-5 year plan. Having 2 outfield prospects ready for the majors in AAA would also be the key to making it work. They can’t keep losing major stars from the lineup like Damon, Matsui and to a lesser degree Swisher and not expect it to hurt them. I would love to see them resign Ichiro and sign Hunter. But hearing that they wouldn’t even sign Hunter isn’t good to hear. In the next couple of years the lineup will be built around Tex and Cano. They really need to add another big right handed bat to that combo.
donnybrook, what is crazy is that you still don’t get it with Soriano. It is obvious that he is very likely to decline the 13.3. He is looking for a 3+ year deal for much more total guaranteed money. Boras is not going to only try for a week to find that deal, then give up and take 13.3. Even if that happened, the Yankees could easily trade that one year deal and at worst pay 1-2 mil of it to get rid of him, but that is very unlikely to be necessary. The QO was very low risk and the right decision. Think about it.
Most of you around here are pretty sharp when it comes to baseball, but I advise you stay outta the politcal arena. The smart thing for Hal to do when the vote came up for the CBA, was to vote NO. Hal liked the cost restraints built into the CBA, and Knew it would pass without his yea vote. Had he voted NO, he coulda cried to the fans about how this agreement was jammed down the Yankees throat in an effort to thwart Yankee dominance. Hal’s voting YES, was just plain dumb.
I would be perfectly content with this lineup:
Brett Gardner – CF
Jeter – SS
Cano – 2b
Tex – 1b
Alex – DH
Z. Almonte – RF
Romine – C
Adams – 3b
A. Almonte – LF
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Would you also be perfectly content missing the playoffs? Because that is not a playoff caliber liineup unless the team also has unbelievably good pitching and/or insanely good luck.
There is NOTHING “low risk” about ponying up $13.3 Mill.
Cashmoney November 8th, 2012 at 9:35 am
What’s going on in the actual GM Meetings?
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this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg7E2pbG5QE
Brilliant! Thanks for making a dull morning a little brighter, Cashmoney.
189 has always been real….
“The Yankees have four catchers on their 40-man roster: Francisco Cervelli, Austin Romine, Chris Stewart and Eli Whiteside. None is considered a true starter at the position, with the ability to hit while playing every day. “Really good catch-and-throw framers,” Cashman said. “The question mark’s the bats.” Can the Yankees sacrifice offense behind the plate?”
Wait… when did we have offense behind the plate last year??????
I’m pretty sure Cervelli could hit .175 for half a season.
(Probably not 20 HRs though, so I guess we’re committing to Martin’s ‘offensive prowess’ …..I puked a little just typing that.)
Their beef is that people buy resold tickets on Stubhub instead of from the Yankees.
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How would ppl buy resold tix from the yankees?
yank mgmt should have no beef when ppl buy tix from s hub as they were already sold once by the yanks.
their beef is that season tix holders are cutting back as they are losing money by reselling them on hub for pennies on the dollar.
#Yankees roster has “gaping holes
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And a lack of forth sight
DONNYBROOK November 8th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
There is NOTHING “low risk” about ponying up $13.3 Mill.
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You are really purposely missing the point…. HE WILL NOT TAKE IT. It’s a low risk to offer it to him because he’s pretty sure he can get paid MORE MONEY and get MORE YEARS on another deal.
And the result of 189 will be very real. Losing.
What can Cashman find in here, I wonder… http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/M.....Trash_Heap
People who are regularly selling tickets for a loss likely won’ t be buying in the future.
Seeing empty seats at Yankee Playoff games was Stunning and a sign of things to come. I’m sure Hal noticed this, and Immediately put his best “bottom liners” on evaluating the Loss of ticket revenue vs Tax Penalty $$$ saved by cutting the team payroll.
Didn’t Hal tell us dropping 10%( false number) wouldn’t be difficult?
austinmac says:
November 8, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Didn’t Hal tell us dropping 10%( false number) wouldn’t be difficult?
Oh it’s not….it’s the doing it and still winning baseball games that will be the issue
I’m anxiously waiting to see if Cashman takes a pay cut on his next contract.
@Ken_Rosenthal
Sources: #Mets showing little interest in signing Dickey to extension, discussing him in trades, as @Joelsherman1 reported.
Didn’t Hal tell us dropping 10%( false number) wouldn’t be difficult?
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Yes, which means I’m not sure if the Yankees understand how the luxury tax works
$189m without any position player prospects above single A who can help is going to be impossible. Also Arod’s contract while he continues to be an average player is going to make this even harder. If the Yanks get down to $189 but come in 3rd place for the next 2 years is Hal happy? It will stink to find out.
“Yes, which means I’m not sure if the Yankees understand how the luxury tax works”
Oh I think they do….they just think fans are dumb
I hope their is no next Cashman contract.
the 189 mil seems to be set in stone.
will fans understand that we are in a purgatory period and only time will help us re-develop down the road?
I love all the anger this morning….anybody want a team Greedy application to fill out?
I’m telling you…. we just need to get Wright for one year, Hunter for one year, and Kuroda and Andy for one year and we can win this thing in 2013 and blow the whole damn thing up in 2014.
Necessity is the mother of invention
Didn’t Hal tell us dropping 10%( false number) wouldn’t be difficult?
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Putting together a championship contending team on $190M shouldn’t be difficult.
austinmac November 8th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
I hope their is no next Cashman contract.
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This is Hal and Brian’s plan. Cashman is going to see this through.
The Yankees and Mets both in full cost cutting mode.
Cashman should have acted last year. He did nothing to help.
blake November 8th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
I love all the anger this morning….anybody want a team Greedy application to fill out?
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That’s right blake! We should open up recruitment now so when all the other regulars come back for Spring Training we can collectively piss them off instead of working on it individually.
“Putting together a championship contending team on $190M shouldn’t be difficult.”
If you actually had 190 million to spend no…..but when you have close to 100 million already on the books for older players….nobody close in the farm system ….an no real solutions in free agency that fit your Long term budget then it complicates things a bit
I haven’t been around in a while. I hope you’re all doing well and that Sandy wasn’t too unkind.
As far as the Yanks go, so many people are sure that 189 mil means a losing team. Why not just wait and see before pulling your hair out?
the 189 mil cap in itself isnt a big deal. But when you add in the reality of Arod, CC & Teix’s deals, things change. I get that. But I’m not as sure as others that Teix is going to fall off a cliff. I think what we’ve seen the past 2 years is where he’ll stay for a while (and that’s good enough). And I think CC will continue to be top line pitcher for years.
But those deals strangle the team with regard to the 189 goal. That’s why I think next yr will be Cano’s last. I just dont see them giving another 8 yr deal to a player on the wrong side of 30. And, if they hold the line, I would agree with them.
“That’s right blake! We should open up recruitment now so when all the other regulars come back for Spring Training we can collectively piss them off instead of working on it individually.”
Our numbers grow!
AAA November 8th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Didn’t Hal tell us dropping 10%( false number) wouldn’t be difficult?
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Putting together a championship contending team on $190M shouldn’t be difficult.
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In a vacuum, sure. But it’s more difficult when you start out with two big contracts that are underperforming (Arod and Tex), and don’t seem to have a good strategy.
Putting together a championship contending team on $190M shouldn’t be difficult.
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I just want to see some indication that they have a clue what they are doing and that they have a legit plan to do what they are wanting to do……
blake November 8th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
I love all the anger this morning….anybody want a team Greedy application to fill out?
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Gaining new members every day. What started off as a couple of fans is turning into a movement.
Jerkface November 8th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Putting together a championship contending team on $190M shouldn’t be difficult.
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Which is the real number correct?
Hal should have voted what he believed and i think he was right to vote YEA. the Yanks just need to get under the $189MM for the 2014 season and by then they should definitely be able to both do it and field a playoff caliber/championship contending team.
their only “large $” contracts should be CC, ARod, Tex, Cano and Jeet to a lesser (8MM) extent. Gardner will be a 5-7MM player by that point and Hughsie – if he’s still there will be a 12-13MM a player. That’s about $120MM laid out for the core players.
The rest of the rotation in 2014 theoretically would be Pineda,Nova and maybe Banuelos all cheap arms.
Either DRob or Joba would be the closer with the other in the setup role with Mark Montgomery possibly in the 7th underpinning a bullpen that could be assembled for less than 10MM total.
With Tyler Austin, Mason Williams and Gary Sanchez all starting the season in AA this season along with Slade Heathcott a couple of them if not all 4 could be major league ready by the start of the 2014 season depending on how this year goes and guys like Romine, The Almonte Boys, Dave Adams and Corbin Joseph will be at AAA this season along with Melkman Mesa getting primed for ML duty.
These guys could be ready to come up like the core $ guys did in the early 90′s and flesh out a group of title tested vets to make for a very compelling and relatively low cost 2014 Yanks team. I for one would love to see it come to fruition.
Patrick November 8th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
I would be perfectly content with this lineup:
Brett Gardner – CF
Jeter – SS
Cano – 2b
Tex – 1b
Alex – DH
Z. Almonte – RF
Romine – C
Adams – 3b
A. Almonte – LF
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Would you also be perfectly content missing the playoffs? Because that is not a playoff caliber liineup unless the team also has unbelievably good pitching and/or insanely good luck.
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Yes.
Sometimes you have to take a step back to move forward.
Blake-
Any new ideas from our early morning talk about the NY Post Sherman article, after I had to leave around 8:15?
Was there any further talk/interest in trading for a corner outfielder with some power that is a FA after the 2013 season?
Corey Hart, Hunter Pence, Beltran, Choo, etc
If you actually had 190 million to spend no…..but when you have close to 100 million already on the books for older players….nobody close in the farm system ….an no real solutions in free agency that fit your Long term budget then it complicates things a bit
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Certainly some best laid plans went to hell in a hand basket. Pineda hurt. Banuelos hurt. Betances flopped. Big contract guys not measuring up, save Sabathia. I do think this time last year, Cashman did have a plan and saw it blow it up in his face, mostly due to factors he had no control over. That’ll obviously make this a little more difficult going forward.
Id rather watch Chips lineup lose than a bunch of old dudes lose…..at least the youngsters might get better
will fans understand that we are in a purgatory period and only time will help us re-develop down the road?
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I think the problem is many fans assumed there would be transition periods and not a complete rebuild because that’s the plan the Yankees came up with. The reaction wouldn’t be as strong if they already had young players on the team contributing.
I don’t think all four will be in AA. Williams only had few at bats in Tampa.
Patrick –
If the alternative is
Gardner – LF
Jeter – SS
Cano
Tex
Alex – 3b
Ibanez – RF
Granderson – CF
Martin on a new 3 year deal
Chavez – DH
Then yeah, I would rather go with the kids.
What we are saying in reality here is we are going to watch a very old team next year with bloating contracts with the hope that some minor league position players step up and develop quicker than most other franchises in baseball. This is always their problem. Rushing players and not developing them properly. If this was the plan than trading Montero was a ridiculous move because at the time Banuelos, Phelps, Warren and Betcacnes were all seen as very close. And veteran pitching can be found on one year contracts. You will not get a decent bat in free agency for one year unless they are finishing up on their career.
“Certainly some best laid plans went to hell in a hand basket. Pineda hurt. Banuelos hurt. Betances flopped. Big contract guys not measuring up, save Sabathia. I do think this time last year, Cashman did have a plan and saw it blow it up in his face, mostly due to factors he had no control over. That’ll obviously make this a little more difficult going forward.”
Bad luck or bad decisions? Probably a little of both
blake November 8th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
I just want to see some indication that they have a clue what they are doing and that they have a legit plan to do what they are wanting to do……
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I’ve said the same for the last two seasons as well.. what I want more than anything from this off-season is to just seem some semblance of a plan. If the plan really is to stop-gap their way through 2016, then this is when we’ll find out.
Wonder whether the Yanks will make a move for R.A. Dickey – or is he too young for them at 38?
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Which is the real number correct?
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Not clear on this. What makes $189M the real number? Those crazy homer incentives for Rodriguez?
CountryClub!! Welcome back!
Sorry, I meant “what makes $179M the real number?”
Heathcott and Austin might start at Trenton…..Mason and Sanchez almost certainly will start at Tampa
AAA says:
November 8, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Sorry, I meant “what makes $179M the real number?”
Incentives etc in contracts ….
In Gary Sanchez, Tyler Austin, Mason Williams, Slade Heathcott, Austin Romine, Zoilo Almonte, Abe Almonte, Dave Adams, Corbin Joseph and Melky Mesa the Yanks will have 10 of their top 15-16 position player prospects starting the 2013 season at AA or better.
Any or a few of these guys could be ready to make the jump to the majors in 2014. Obviosly they all won’t but some can and at least 3 or 4 imo will be readt for major league action in 2014.
Obviosly they all won’t but some can and at least 3 or 4 imo will be readt for major league action in 2014.
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But even if they make the jump they still have to go through the rigors of playing on this level.
$ 179 in salaries, $ 10 benefits = $ 189
@jonmorosi: Sources: #RedSox interested in acquiring Justin Masterson and Shin-Soo Choo from #Indians. Story here: http://t.co/4s2Srbng @MLBONFOX
Which is the real number correct?
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The Yankees need to have their budget as calculated for the Luxury tax based on the prior season including all bonuses & whatever (so by December 2nd or something to account for mvp/cy young bonuses) under 189,000,000.
The ‘player benefits’ amount is 10,799,590 for 2013. So their budget must be under 178,200,410.
blake November 8th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
“Certainly some best laid plans went to hell in a hand basket. Pineda hurt. Banuelos hurt. Betances flopped. Big contract guys not measuring up, save Sabathia. I do think this time last year, Cashman did have a plan and saw it blow it up in his face, mostly due to factors he had no control over. That’ll obviously make this a little more difficult going forward.”
Bad luck or bad decisions? Probably a little of both
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The other problem is all this does is illustrate the whole ‘even the best laid plans…’ scenario.
The idea that Sanchez, Austin, Pineda/Manny and Williams will all hit is awesome and I hope for it to come true….. but the reality is it is very unlikely and this team hasn’t shown an aptitude for evaluating their own talent/trading high on it.
Champ,
Nope. They won’t all be in AA.
Because the Yankees have no control over the player benefits as they cannot trade it, defer it, absorb it, or do any trickery with it, the true budget is 178.2
Making the majors and contributing in a big way are two different things. And there are plenty of blue chip guys who tore up the minors that did nothing in the majors. Cano too years to be this good. Alex Gordon took years. A guy like LaPorta destorys the minors and is a zero in the majors and he was a college bat. Most of these guys were high schoolers. I am not counting on any of these being impact guys or carrying this team any time soon. And there is varying degrees of confidence on how each one of these guys might produce long term.
Thanks JF. I appreciate the breakdown.
So realistically wouldnt they need to be even lower than 178,200,410, if they consider the bonus/incentive money involved in some of their deals? Or is that already being considered here?
News flash–Yankees interested in acquiring. . . Never mind. Their players will be signed in Febrruary after the other teams make their acquisitions.
blake November 8th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Heathcott and Austin might start at Trenton…..Mason and Sanchez almost certainly will start at Tampa
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Will Williams be ready to go when the season kicks off?
Will Williams be ready to go when the season kicks off?”
I believe so
So realistically wouldnt they need to be even lower than 178,200,410, if they consider the bonus/incentive money involved in some of their deals? Or is that already being considered here?
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The 178 number is before you consider current contracts. Its truly lower. -6 for A-rod’s HR record depending on next season. -27.5 for A-rod, -22.5 for Tex, -23.25 for CC, -9 or -14+bonuses for Jeter depending on if he opts out.
The Yankees will be lucky if they get 2 position players out of that group that will have long term major league baseball careers.
The Yankees are at 104 without trade gaps/bonuses/Jeter’s resolution/arbitration with just Tex, CC, & A-rod
Phranchise November 8th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
The Yankees will be lucky if they get 2 position players out of that group that will have long term major league baseball careers.
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As is the case with most prospects.
Boston Red Sox considering hiring Tino Martinez as their hitting coach.
RAB’s has a possible low cost fit for the Yankees from Padres for RF. If this is the route that previous stealth Cashman is now taking, any interest?
http://riveraveblues.com/2012/.....res-78853/
Indians might be willing to trade Cabrera I heard…..he’s probably too young to pursue though
I always said that 189 was a straightjacket.
Where’s Houdini when ya’ need him ?
Jerkface November 8th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
The Yankees are at 104 without trade gaps/bonuses/Jeter’s resolution/arbitration with just Tex, CC, & A-rod
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“Listen up, everybody. I have some news. We are screwed.” – Michael Scott
Blake
Sanchez had more ABs in Tampa than Austin and after a slow start was raking the last month or so. I could see the Yanks gets aggressive with him and start him in Trenton with Slade and Tyler.
Mason may get sent to tampa to start the season but if he hits the ground crushing like he was before he went down with the injury he’ll be there no more than a month.
The $189 threshhold may push the yanks to be a little aggressive with the development of the top guys like Tyler, Sanchez, Slade and Mason this season.
“Sanchez had more ABs in Tampa than Austin and after a slow start was raking the last month or so. I could see the Yanks gets aggressive with him and start him in Trenton with Slade and Tyler.”
He’s a catcher though….big difference….they had him repeat the Sally league and is expect him to at least play half the year at Tampa next year
austinmac November 8th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
News flash–Yankees interested in acquiring. . . Never mind. Their players will be signed in Febrruary after the other teams make their acquisitions.
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The funny thing is that Brian keeps talking like he wants to be a mid market GM (building from within, not spending etc) but he’s been with the Yankees for so long I don’t think he actually knows how to do it. He is so entrenched in his ways that the notion of trading a guy like Cano or like Granderson or like Swisher for young controllable assets is foreign to him. He’ll trade a young player for a young player or he’ll trade lesser prospects for short term fixes; he’ll troll the bargain bins for guys who will take the one year low money deal but won’t trust young players who cost even less to handle roles.
My guess is that right now he has the following players targeted:
Carlos Lee
Travis Hafner
Grady Sizemore
Ty Wiggington
Placido Polanco
Kelly Shoppach
Rod Barajas
Juan Rivera
Luke Scott
Shame Spencer November 8th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
CountryClub!! Welcome back!
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Thanks. Had to take my annual 2-3 week break from baseball.
“Listen up, everybody. I have some news. We are screwed.” – Michael Scott
Lol
I wonder how much less the Yankees took in last year due to lower attendance? Now compare that to how much in luxury tax they will fork over by signing a Hamilton or somebody similar? I know there are no guarantees but come on they are not that stupid.
I still wouldn’t be surprised if 189 is just a brilliant negotiating ploy.
I think Austin will definitely be in AA. He played there last yr in the playoffs. Would be silly to send him back to high A.
And I think Slade needs to start there too. He had a great yr. He’s pounding the ball in Arizona too.
He may be one of these guys that has a very short career because of his style. The quicker they could get him to the big club, the better. So they need to challenge him. Placing him at AA would be a good start.
No way either Sanchez or Mason start in AA.
still wouldn’t be surprised if 189 is just a brilliant negotiating ploy.
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sure, it could be a ploy. I fail to understand the brilliance in it though…
you means other team won’t go after FA because Yankees wont? where is the leverage?
Guys… let’s just sign ALL the players for 2013 and allow our fanbase to celebrate a championship before destroying the whole team.
Trade for one year of Wright, get Andy and Kuroda and Mo back, go balls out on a big one year deal for a couple OFers….let’s just go balls to the wall in 2013. They don’t have a plan beyond next season anyway! What could it hurt?
Indians might be willing to trade Cabrera I heard…..he’s probably too young to pursue though
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Play the 27 yo[on the 13th] switch hitting , fielding phenom, at SS and move Jeter to right?
Asdrubal’s split stats:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....al-cabrera
Counting on pospects to succeed is fool’s gold.
The majority of them fall to injury, are traded, or underperform expectations.
It is extremey difficult to make it to the ML’s and even tougher to actually be worthwhile.
The Yankees are trying to learn how to be a development team on-the-fly.
Not easy. there are many teams who have a leg up us in that dep’t.
This is transition time. Make-do-with-less time.
We appear to be ready to find out how good our Farm really is.
Very foolish for the Yankees not to even be players on JU.
Assuming, of course, the rumors are true.
Guys like him do not come along very often.
still wouldn’t be surprised if 189 is just a brilliant negotiating ploy.
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Sorry but that ship has sailed, in Cashman’s case that stealth U2 has been shot down.
CountryClub November 8th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Shame Spencer November 8th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
CountryClub!! Welcome back!
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Thanks. Had to take my annual 2-3 week break from baseball.
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You should have taken a longer break. The fans are getting antsy
Phranchise
Cano was good from day one…he hit .297 with 15 hrs in 400+ ABs his rookie year and hit .342 and finished second in hitting in the league his second season.
People talk about the Cards and their ability to churn out homegrown player after homegrwon player and the only difference is they actually give their talent a CHANCE and OPPURTUNITY to actually play.
Whenever we have don that the results have been there i.e. the core 4 guys, Bernie, Cano and others we’ve traded only to watch them become exactly what we thought they would become i.e. A Jax.
Not all prospects are the same and in Sanchez, Tyler, Slade and Mason we have 4 guys that most in the scouting community agree will be everyday big leaguers with the potential to be all star level players. These are not second tier hit or miss type guys.
Hehehehehehehe…
@teixeiramark25
Keeping me happy until lunch! Thanks @thejuicepressny pic.twitter.com/xCHAg090
@RMONO87
@teixeiramark25 you know what would make me happy you batting better than.240 every year
MTU November 8th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Very foolish for the Yankees not to even be players on JU.
Assuming, of course, the rumors are true.
Guys like him do not come along very often.
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Here’s the thing, the Yankees are trying to fool us – they say they don’t want to trade 3 or 4 young players who are controllable assets for 1 player. Which on its face makes sense. But the Yankees aren’t willing to play young players so those assets that they’re afraid of trading aren’t doing anything to help the club anyway.
So next year’s OF looks like Grandy, GGBG, Ichiro ?
I don’t think I realized how screwed we really are until JF just posted those numbers… not to be crass, but if you’re gonna get f*cked, you might as well enjoy it at least momentarily. GET DAVID WRIGHT!!!
MTU-
Maybe Towers might be willing to deal Jason Kubel, who can be a FA at the end of next season-with the Yankees now planning to shave[off] the roster at the end of 2013 with all these players on one year contracts.
“Play the 27 yo[on the 13th] switch hitting , fielding phenom, at SS and move Jeter to right?”
He’s too young….couldn’t handle NY
Shame Spencer November 8th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Guys… let’s just sign ALL the players for 2013
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Blake agrees
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....&NR=1
When you are only willing to issue 1 yr. contracts your field of view is pretty narrow.
MTU November 8th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
So next year’s OF looks like Grandy, GGBG, Ichiro ?
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Apparently not if Ichiro wants more than a 1 year deal.
CC,
I agree on Heathcott….he’s hitting in the fall league and that’s pretty advanced competition…..start him at AA and see how he does and if he hits then move him fast ….same with Austin
All of you are making a good case to deal Cano ASAP.
Oh, I forgot one name from the group Cash is looking at – Carlos Pena.
RAB’s suggesting Padres Will Venable might be one of those very low cost fits for the now Team Cheapo Yankees.
Split stats:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....ll-venable
the idea has always been accumulate qualities in quantities in regard to prospects and hope a few shakes out and you implement with choice veterans in which financial flexibility are assumed under that kind of team construction. most smart teams have operated that way for better part of decades. Yankees never needed to… but now they do for various reasons. and it’s abundant clear they have neither the quantity in prospects (not enough imo) nor the financial flexibility at this point to construct that kind of team. They need more prospects, better talent evaulators and time for rod and tex contracts to elapse.
My guess on the 2013 lineup:
Jeter
Granderson – LF
Alex
Cano
Tex
Carlos Lee – RF
Carlos Pena – DH
Martin – new 3 year contract
GGBG – CF
Bench of Chavez, Nix, Grady Sizemore, Chris Stewart
I’m still hoping Ahmad Abdul-Rahim is available to play center next year (the 1976 version, of course, NOT him 36 years older in 2012)
Not all prospects are the same and in Sanchez, Tyler, Slade and Mason we have 4 guys that most in the scouting community agree will be everyday big leaguers with the potential to be all star level players.
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Joba and Hughes were suppose to be aces, they pumped up Brackman, Melancon was suppose to the future closer, etc. Not saying all the guys you mentioned won’t work out but we would be lucky if we get two from that group. There is a chance the one we get is a star or he can be a role player or a MLer with a flaw(doesn’t walk enough, strikes out often,etc)
Blake-
I was actually trying to get some feedback on trading for Asdrubal Cabrera and movng Jeter to RF.
Might as well go out with a bang for 2013 and fuel the tabloids with how Jeter will feel being supplanted off SS.
YT-
With so many restrictions I will not be able to offer any trade ideas or purchase younger FA’s.
I leave that in Chip, Blake,and your capable hands.
Please keep us entertained as best you can.
Team thrifty is now the official Yankee way.
I am a member of team greedy.
Perhaps I need to become a member of Team Farm.
Yankee Trader November 8th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
RAB’s suggesting Padres Will Venable might be one of those very low cost fits for the now Team Cheapo Yankees.
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He wouldn’t be terrible.
The Red Sox have interest in acquiring both Shin-Soo Choo and Justin Masterson from the Indians, reports Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. It’s unclear how far along talks are, but Cleveland is getting calls about those two as well as Asdrubal Cabrera and Chris Perez.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#lXSltwJQAl0kb0SB.99
I just do not see how keeping Cano with what Boras wants meshes with the current philosphy – it conflicts with it – and need to be proactive if you can turn Cano into three useful players that helps with the new fiscal philosphy.
I’d go with Sizemore in RF. LEE could Not hit for power in Houston, which says it all. His D stinks.
It appears the grim reality is becoming more apparent. Cashman has been saying and demonstrating he can’t or won’t spend money. They could have many of these gaping holes filled at a reasonable cost such as Cespedes or Darvish. No, they were too expensive.
I will say again as I have been saying for a year, the Yankees are less likely than almost any team in baseball to acquire a relatively high quality player. They won’t sign them or trade for them if it impacts 2014. Is their another team in baseball with that limitation? NO.
Sizemore hasn’t been healthy in forever. Why would anyone think he will be next year?
Carlos Lee makes McGehee look athletic.
Chip
That lineup should lead the majors in at least one category-strikeouts.
Lee never wanted to come to NY. Sizemore will be lucky to play enough next year to make it thru a season
After all the depressing news today for next season, it’s not beginning to feel a lot like Christmas.
It’s looking like a RF lefty-righty platoon of Ibanez or Ichiro/some cheap righty, OR
lefty-righty AAA platoon of Dickerson/Mustelier.
I think the Yankees should sign Rosa Acosta…don’t care, just find a position for her
Just the fact you gotta compare Lee to McGehee says it all. Sizemore’s salary will make him worth the look-see.
quantity in prospects (not enough imo
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Good point. I think Chip and I discussed this a while back. It’s never just here are our prospects of all different shapes and sizes. It’s always a wave: Generation Trey, The relievers , Killer Bs, the kids in Charleston, etc
You guys all have fun acting like we’re the Twins.
I’m just going to hunker down till 2016 and see what kind of Farm system we really have in between.
The fewer retreads I have to watch between now and then the better.
I say we should have made some trades. Doesn’t appear the Yankees are interested in doing that.
Gonna be fun watching Cashman try to show how clever he is.
Better pray that several of those farm guys pan out.
Not generally a good bet though.
Good afternoon Lohud:
Cashmoney,
read a few posts from you yesterday…Spot on on all of them.
Blake and Shame,
There is a long line down here to join team greedy.
Mac,
I am with you… I hope this is cash´s last contract, but I doubt it.
Odds, Blake et al
Spot on…But at least they are starting to make some changes down in the coaching staff in the minors…Still, I don´t think cashman is the man for the job ahead.
If they want to compete in 2013 and 2014…They need to shed Arod´s and Tex´s contracts…Otherwise qwe are in for a very boring and dissapointing seasons
“he idea has always been accumulate qualities in quantities in regard to prospects and hope a few shakes out and you implement with choice veterans in which financial flexibility are assumed under that kind of team construction. most smart teams have operated that way for better part of decades. Yankees never needed to… but now they do for various reasons.”
Actually… we should have been operating this way since Cash got control in like ’06. That’s what we were told was going on, anyway.
Red Sox looking at Tino Martinez as their hitting coach.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Hassey November 8th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
I think the Yankees should sign Rosa Acosta…
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Nice choice. Hey that’s it. Replace all the players with good looking women.
Why don’t we make Tino our hitting coach instead?
Actually… we should have been operating this way since Cash got control in like ’06. That’s what we were told was going on, anyway.
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This….
Scrap heap here we go!!!! YAY!!!!
@JonHeymanCBS
#royals pulled trigger on jeffress deal about 8 mins before deadline to do so. #jays capitalize.
Hey luis nice to see you. The changes in the minors is a start. Besides Mo coming Patterson coming in is the best news so far in the OS.
@Joba_62
Headed to the stadium now, come by and donate items to those who need it! See you all soon!!! #sandy
@DKnobler
Royals will get cash for Jeffress, who was in Greinke deal
blake November 8th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Why don’t we make Tino our hitting coach instead?
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And depart from the HR or nothing hitting approach? Nah!!!!
“Nice choice. Hey that’s it. Replace all the players with good looking women.”
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If the call comes, I’ll be ready to answer even if the Yankees are making me sad right now..
Does Tino believe in hairy monster ball?
austinmac November 8th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Sizemore hasn’t been healthy in forever. Why would anyone think he will be next year?
Carlos Lee makes McGehee look athletic.
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Cashman will use the same logic that he did with Chavez. Limit his playing time and he can stay healthy.
Agree on the second but he’s a more productive RH bat and if Cashman was ok with Ibanez in LF then Lee in RF isn’t a stretch.
Blake-
Get in touch w me when make a significant trade or acquisition.
P.S. I won’t be holding my breath
Team Retread here we go.
I look forward to seeing what the Farm has to offer in the meantime.
Dont like list ->
Hal Steinbrenner
Brain Cashman
Joe Girardi
Kevin Long
Mark Tex
Russell Minor League Martin
Arod
Swisher
When I say I don’t like I am not talking about personalities as much as I am as what they bring to the field/game.. with my list above I am seriously questions why I am/was so fanatic about the yankees.. because each one above are doing their best to really hurt this team.. who knew that when George passed it would turn into this heartless franchise all about money? I’m pretty sick of it and Hal is just an complete idiot when it comes to baseball !! You have to wonder if Girardi calls him “Hally” or “Steiny”.. getting an ulcer from this BS!
What’s taking Hiroki Kuroda so long to decide if he wants to be a Yankee next year?
He must have read the Sherman article in the NY Post today and decided since he was the beneficiary of the WORST run support among the Yankee starters, even worse than some of the Mariner starters, that this new Yankee direction might not be where he wants a shot at a WS for one last year in the majors!
luis November 8th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Actually… we should have been operating this way since Cash got control in like ’06. That’s what we were told was going on, anyway.
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This….
Scrap heap here we go!!!! YAY!!!!
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Well it’s just frustrating isn’t it? The new CBA is taking all this blame because the Yanks ‘didn’t anticipate it’… I get that… but Cash has been pushing the build from within approach for 5 or 6 years now and we have very little to show for it at the moment. We’re certainly not in a position to be helped by our farm at the MLB level and this isn’t even referencing next season but the one AFTER that as well. These guys aren’t going to realistically be ready until 2015…
Shame Spencer November 8th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
“Nice choice. Hey that’s it. Replace all the players with good looking women.”
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If the call comes, I’ll be ready to answer even if the Yankees are making me sad right now..
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They are making alot of ppl sad right now
Against All Odds November 8th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Hey luis nice to see you. The changes in the minors is a start. Besides Mo coming Patterson coming in is the best news so far in the OS.
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Yup… I wasn´t counting on Mo coming back, but this means that Pettitte might come back too… And yes, the Patterson signing is a good sign that at least they are recognizing that there is a problem down at the farm… But they haven´t done anything on the Big club.
Good to see you around too buddy.
Champ809,
I agree to an extent. But Cano batted 7th with even worse plate discpline than now. With aging Arod and Jeter batting in the top 4 of our lineup, you want to rely less on them. You can’t do that. Cano was horrid in the postseason and seems to have trouble batting cleanup now.
Cards guys aren’t that young. That’s the point. Our guys are early 20s. Freese is 29. Craig 28. Jay 27. Kozma is young at 24.
Most of these guys have some seasoning and years on them. Our guys do not. Just because they are rookies or only been in the league for a limited time doesn’t mean they are young.
The Red Sox didn’t bring up Ellsbury until he was like 24. We, when pressed, like Cano, Melky, etc are forced to bring guys up that are 22. Hughes was up earlier than expected. Joba and Kennedy didn’t even get a full year in the minors.
Yankee Trader November 8th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Chip
That lineup should lead the majors in at least one category-strikeouts.
Lee never wanted to come to NY. Sizemore will be lucky to play enough next year to make it thru a season
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Yep it would.
Lee didn’t want to come here as a part time player, if the Yankees offer him a deal to come here to play RF and DH I think he would take it – especially considering he doesn’t have much of a market.
Like I said, Sizemore signing is based on the logic that went into the Chavez signing. Star talent that can’t stay healthy so you sign him, don’t play him every day and hope that when he does play the talent that was there is still there.
Later gang.
MTU-
You better not take an extended leave of absence from the blog!!
I for one will miss your upbeat attitude!
Yankee Trader November 8th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
What’s taking Hiroki Kuroda so long to decide if he wants to be a Yankee next year?
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Better question – if Kuroda wants a 2 year deal do the Yankees walk away?
Heck, Tino is about the same age as some of our players. He’d be cheap. And he is a fan favorite.
Chip, Lee still has a decent bat, but didn’t he reject a trade to the Yankees at the deadline saying he didn’t want to DH?
the underlying premise is this, the Yankees , if they state largely status quo are not a championship caliber team imo. It’s premise can be debated. I rather them play some youngsters than watching an aging team. As a spoil fan, which I am, making the playoff doesn’t conjure that much excitements. my idea is if you don’t go for it all in 13, then you need start thinking flipping the present and past for some future. once you get the maximize return that you can get (also arbitrary) you go on and play fringe prospects we got at upper level while continue to expand your farm and scouting system and accumulate talents in every way possible. This is a realistic and coherent plan in accordance with Hal’s budget restraint. How would the fans taking to not winning and how will that impact the bottom is remain to be seen if they do choose to take that course. but it’s definite a train of thoughts that require convictions and patience. The doubt here is whether or not Cashman can execute such strategy in terms creative thought process and in term of ability to identify and develop talents .
I’d rather have them completely blow up this team at this point .. get rid of everybody like Boston did. Too bad we cant.
The Carlos Killers, (Lee and Pena) should be avoided. Sizemore over Lee is an easy choice to make.
MTU’s attiitude has been suffering like the rest of us on Team Greedy. Still, it is far better than mine at this point.
I doubt the Yankees would give Kuroda two years. Randy Johnson looked pretty good throwing at a trash can is a commercial. He might take a one year deal.
Shame Spencer November 8th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
luis November 8th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Actually… we should have been operating this way since Cash got control in like ’06. That’s what we were told was going on, anyway.
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This….
Scrap heap here we go!!!! YAY!!!!
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Well it’s just frustrating isn’t it? The new CBA is taking all this blame because the Yanks ‘didn’t anticipate it’… I get that… but Cash has been pushing the build from within approach for 5 or 6 years now and we have very little to show for it at the moment. We’re certainly not in a position to be helped by our farm at the MLB level and this isn’t even referencing next season but the one AFTER that as well. These guys aren’t going to realistically be ready until 2015…
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Very frustrating in deed…And this is why I think Cashman should be held accountable for this… he talked the talk, but never walked the walk…He said the right things, but never acted accordingly….He is the closest thing to a politician
Why wouldn’t Mo come back ? He makes millions of dollars to pitch 1 inning in winning games! He’s silly not to keep pitching until his arm falls off (skills diminish).
I fear the Yankees will keep Granderson and Cano knowing they can’t re-sign them because trading them would tell the average fan they are rebuilding. Keeping them will allow them to say we tried this year, but the contracts they want for 2014 and beyond are just too costly.
That would be stupid. And what I expect.
austinmac November 8th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
MTU’s attiitude has been suffering like the rest of us on Team Greedy. Still, it is far better than mine at this point.
I doubt the Yankees would give Kuroda two years. Randy Johnson looked pretty good throwing at a trash can is a commercial. He might take a one year deal.
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MTU´s perspective is even when he is down, he looks for a positive. That comendable.
Mac, in your case… I am gonna call you ” Black Cloud” for now on
J/K
austinmac November 8th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Heck, Tino is about the same age as some of our players. He’d be cheap. And he is a fan favorite.
Chip, Lee still has a decent bat, but didn’t he reject a trade to the Yankees at the deadline saying he didn’t want to DH?
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I think he rejected the trade because the Yankees told him he would essentially have the Andruw Jones role. DH and occasional time in the OF against LHP.
My guess on the 2013 lineup:
Jeter
Granderson – LF
Alex
Cano
Tex
Carlos Lee – RF
Carlos Pena – DH
Martin – new 3 year contract
GGBG – CF
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That’s actually not a terrible lineup. Old, but not terrible.
why not take a chance on bay for 800K? he is much cheaper than andruw jones, also younger. Bay will be better than what he was with the mets.
austinmac November 8th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
I fear the Yankees will keep Granderson and Cano knowing they can’t re-sign them because trading them would tell the average fan they are rebuilding. Keeping them will allow them to say we tried this year, but the contracts they want for 2014 and beyond are just too costly.
That would be stupid. And what I expect.
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I think they keep them because it goes too far out of Cashman’s experience base to do anything but keep them.
When has Brian ever traded an established player for young talent? Robin Ventura for Scott Proctor? That’s the only one I can think of.
Cashmoney November 8th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
the underlying premise is this, the Yankees , if they state largely status quo are not a championship caliber team imo. It’s premise can be debated. I rather them play some youngsters than watching an aging team. As a spoil fan, which I am, making the playoff doesn’t conjure that much excitements. my idea is if you don’t go for it all in 13, then you need start thinking flipping the present and past for some future. once you get the maximize return that you can get (also arbitrary) you go on and play fringe prospects we got at upper level while continue to expand your farm and scouting system and accumulate talents in every way possible. This is a realistic and coherent plan in accordance with Hal’s budget restraint. How would the fans taking to not winning and how will that impact the bottom is remain to be seen if they do choose to take that course. but it’s definite a train of thoughts that require convictions and patience. The doubt here is whether or not Cashman can execute such strategy in terms creative thought process and in term of ability to identify and develop talents .
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QFT…You are on fire my friend.
LOL@ suggesting giving minor league Martin a 3yr deal .. *hand to forehead!*
Chip November 8th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
austinmac November 8th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
I fear the Yankees will keep Granderson and Cano knowing they can’t re-sign them because trading them would tell the average fan they are rebuilding. Keeping them will allow them to say we tried this year, but the contracts they want for 2014 and beyond are just too costly.
That would be stupid. And what I expect.
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I think they keep them because it goes too far out of Cashman’s experience base to do anything but keep them.
When has Brian ever traded an established player for young talent? Robin Ventura for Scott Proctor? That’s the only one I can think of.
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This is part of why I don¨t think Cash should be at the helm
Be back later…Enjoy the rest of the afternoon
I don’t mind one year stop gaps in the outfield if the plan is just to hold the fort until their minor leaguers are ready.
@JimBowdenESPNxm: The rumor of a Justin Upton deal to Det in a package that included Castellanos, A.Garcia & Smyly definitely makes sense if Dbacks add piece
Of course
Luis -
I said it above. The irony of Brian saying he wants to pare payroll and build from within is that he’s not qualified to do it. His entire baseball life has been spent in service to the Yankees where that’s never been the way things were done. If the Yankees are serious about wanting to get the payroll down and keep Brian, then you bump him upstairs and hire a GM who comes from an organization where this is done to lead the charge.
@JonHeymanCBS
Word is #mets seek OF and catching help in dickey trade talks. Haven’t abandoned hope for extension, but exploring trades 2
The yanks should explore what they’d have to move to get Shoo-Soo-Chin….if they can package Phelps and Romine or Corbin Joseph for him that would be great. Then resign Ichiro and play him in LF with Gardy in CF and Shoo in RF and more Grandy for cost controlled future pieces.
what does Detroit look like with Upton in right and Victor Martinez as a healthyish DH?
” In the next couple of years the lineup will be built around Tex and Cano. They really need to add another big right handed bat to that combo.”
I respect the sentiment, but the fact that Granderson is on the team is enough for me. He’s a massive offensive force and I have zero doubts that he will go on another tear next year. He’s streaky, but he carried the team for the bulk of last season, despite his later struggles and high strikeout totals.
I’m interested to see which free agent, right-handed bat the Yankees roll the dice on. It’s pretty obvious they will need to have power. Andruw Jones is simply not an option—so who is? Ibanez would be wonderful to bring back, but he’s a lefty and it really doesn’t make sense.
I’m inclined to believe that Ichiro will be re-signed for left field with the possibility of Mustelier backing him, ARod, and Gardner up if necessary. Scott Hairston isn’t a bad choice, either. He’d easily fit into a four-man outfield with Granderson, Gardner, Ichiro, with Dickerson/Mustelier as backup. The fact that Hairston is right-handed might give the Yankees the incentive to pry him away from the Mets. He’s had a bit of a resurgence, after all.
Criticize Martin and Swisher all you want, but they are far better than any replacements are liekly to be.
Next year I think it isn’t unreasonable to expect the older players AROD, Jeter, Tex and Granderson will decline next year. Swisher and Martin are gone to be replaced on the cheap. Even if Kuroda and Pettitte come back, this isn’t a playoff team, IMO.
Last year Kuroda came for a chance to win. If he is watching, he may not feel the same way now.
“The yanks should explore what they’d have to move to get Shoo-Soo-Chin….if they can package Phelps and Romine or Corbin Joseph for him that would be great. Then resign Ichiro and play him in LF with Gardy in CF and Shoo in RF and more Grandy for cost controlled future pieces.”
Boy that’s an outfield that would struggle against lefties…..I like Choo ….he’d be a nice short term option and would diversify their offense vs RHP….but they would be pretty vulnerable against LHP ad there are a lot of good ones in the AL east
“what does Detroit look like with Upton in right and Victor Martinez as a healthyish DH?”
Nasty
Not to get people even more depressed – but Christian Garcia is turning into an amazing relief pitcher….for the Nationals.
Scott Hairston has had one good year. That happening again is improbable. He does pass the better than McGehee test.
@SamBorden
common refrain RT @BrianCostaWSJ: When asked about the state of the Mets’ outfield, Sandy Alderson said, “What outfield?”
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Lol, at least the Mets are also a complete mess. Something will warm my heart this hot-stove season.
Dombrowski is a really good gm. He isn’t scared to trade prospects to make the major league team better. It’s almost like Cashman hasn’t had prospects for such a long time that now that he does he doesn’t know what to do with them. When he finally does make a trade it usually stings.
blake November 8th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
“what does Detroit look like with Upton in right and Victor Martinez as a healthyish DH?”
Nasty
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Or they can just sign Swish for RF.
I just don’t understand why you guys won’t let me have David Wright for a year… JUST A YEAR!!
cheer up Chip! “Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!”
Yeah, I watched Garcia a bit in the playoffs. His fastball still moves about 18 inches. Why again did we give up on him, but the Nats were willing to give him a try?
@timmarchman
Sandy Alderson’s theft of Brian Cashman’s objective pipe is the great baseball crime no one talks about.
austinmac November 8th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Scott Hairston has had one good year. That happening again is improbable. He does pass the better than McGehee test.
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The problem with getting guys like Hairston, or even Eric Hinske – is that they want to play – that’s why being a bench guy in the NL is better than being a bench guy in the AL – you know you’re going to at least get semi-regular at bats rather than play the Andruw Jones role.
austinmac November 8th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Yeah, I watched Garcia a bit in the playoffs. His fastball still moves about 18 inches. Why again did we give up on him, but the Nats were willing to give him a try?
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In fairness, the kid couldn’t stay healthy at all. But the Yankees kept forcing him as a starter. The Nats signed him as a minor league free agent and moved him to the pen where he took off.
I’m Not a Cashman guy, but I believe you guys are closer to the heart of the problem when you discuss the” lack of development” in the Bushes. Your Far to high up the tree when sighting Cashman as being the cause. Cashman certainly bears some responsibilty, but axing him will Not correct this problem.
2012 was only the second time in Garcia’s professional career (going back to 2004) where he appeared in more than 20 games.
Shame Spencer says:
November 8, 2012 at 2:04 pm
I just don’t understand why you guys won’t let me have David Wright for a year… JUST A YEAR!!
He probably couldn’t handle NY
My 2013 lineup
Ichiro LF
Jeet SS
Shoo RF
Cano 2B
Tex 1B
ARod 3B
Ibanez DH
Martin C
Gardner CF
Detroit is looking into upgrades in the rotation and RF. The Rays are trying to use pitching depth to improve their offense. Baltimore is after Hamilton. The Rangers are after Upton or Hunter and Greinke. And on and on.
The Yankees are after absolutely no one yet. The roster will be filled in February when prices drop for those players no one else wants.
If Kuroda does not return, this is a sub .500 team absent addition of MLB quality players.
“Cashman will use the same logic that he did with Chavez. Limit his playing time and he can stay healthy.
Agree on the second but he’s a more productive RH bat and if Cashman was ok with Ibanez in LF then Lee in RF isn’t a stretch.”
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Problem is that the old platoon/bench players will get called on to become regulars when the old regulars get hurt as they invariably will. Even the bench needs to get younger, or age becomes an even greater liability. This team with a few exceptions was worn out by playoff time. And with the new wild cards you know we will go all out to win the division again. It would also help to have players we trust enough to rest both Cano and Grandy more if they are both with us in 2014.
Shame,
I grant you Wright. He is a perfect bat, playing a perfect position and the Mets may not sign him. The one slight downside is, he might want to play in 2014, and be paid for doing it.
“My 2013 lineup
Ichiro LF
Jeet SS
Shoo RF
Cano 2B
Tex 1B
ARod 3B
Ibanez DH
Martin C
Gardner CF”
David Price and Matt Moore hope so
mac, every organization has one or two that got away. It’s worth to examine though, of which i don’t recall, if there are indeed 40 men on this roster that has just as much talents as Garcia did. Or the thoughts process putting someone like Clippard in the pen where his average fb would play up better in short gear. one can certainly question that.
Garcia has great great stuff and a real easy arm action just could never stay healthy. I wish him all the success in the world but would have loved to have him with us.
I like Choo ….he’d be a nice short term option and would diversify their offense vs RHP….but they would be pretty vulnerable against LHP ad there are a lot of good ones in the AL east
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Yeah, he’s basically a platoon player now. Or at least he should be.
Cano can get all the rest he needs, on another team. Keeping him with the $189 Mill in mind makes no CENTS.
Does anyone have a list of potential FA after the 2014 season?
With all this talk about getting under 189 million by 2014, it would be nice to have an idea of who might be available when the shackles are unlocked.
Alex Rodriguez is going to be a big force in this lineup next year. The guy is determined and is the best player in the last few generations. Let’s not forget that. He will figure out the kinks and come into next season ready to dominate. Maybe he’ll get injured, who knows. But he’s still enormously talented and can hit 30hr and drive in 100 easily.
Shoo over his career has been a very good LH hitter against lefties. last year was the only season that he struggled against them just like Robbie. Same for Gardner.
luis November 8th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Against All Odds November 8th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Hey luis nice to see you. The changes in the minors is a start. Besides Mo coming Patterson coming in is the best news so far in the OS.
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Yup… I wasn´t counting on Mo coming back, but this means that Pettitte might come back too… And yes, the Patterson signing is a good sign that at least they are recognizing that there is a problem down at the farm… But they haven´t done anything on the Big club.
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Hopefully Patterson makes an impact. Of course we won’t see for a few seasons but I’m willing to give him a shot
Stu,
The shackles will not be unlocked until after 2016. As I understand it, they will get a $50M benefit if they are under the cap for those three years. That is the goal. Better start looking for third year players who could be available.
austinmac November 8th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Shame,
I grant you Wright. He is a perfect bat, playing a perfect position and the Mets may not sign him. The one slight downside is, he might want to play in 2014, and be paid for doing it.
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Lol, I thought he was just signed through 2013? DRAT! Foiled again!!
Building around Cano makes all the sense in the world. He’s one of the 5 best all around players in the sport and these are his prime years.
Choo has a career .695 Ops vs LHP….he’s not been as bad as last year no….but he’s never been great and he was so bad last year that that would make me nervous to give a whole lot for him
@newsdaymarcus
Joba Chamberlain says Mariano Rivera can pitch “until he is 74.”
“Building around Cano makes all the sense in the world. He’s one of the 5 best all around players in the sport and these are his prime years.”
He’s almost past his prime years…..you don build around a guy that’s already 30. Cano is great…..the question is how much longer will he be great
@newsdaymarcus
Joba Chamberlain has lost weight. He doesn’t know how much, but he looks ready for Opening Day.
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“Best shape of his life” is starting a little early this year…
*2013
Garcia wanted to come back to Yanks and many thought we would re-sign him. Sure, he was rehabbing, but he wouldnt have cost much. He’s always had filthy stuff; he may be a SP yet if he can stay healthy.
Joba’s stuff was pretty nasty down the stretch and he was in pretty darn good shape. He probably IS in the best shape of his life. And you know what that means…
prior to last year Choo was a .260+/ .350+ obp hitter against lefties. I’ll take that the 20% of the time we may face a lefty to get a guy with his overall skillset and the 30HRS and above average to GG caliber D in RF for next season @ 10mil.
I view him as an upgrade to Swish who comes with a 1yr commitment and a player I think plays big “in the moment.
After next season you give him a qualifying offer which he will no doubt refuse in search of the multi yr deal that will be out there for him and take the pick when he signs elsewhere.
Id trade for Choo…..not saying I wouldn’t…..I just would have some reservations about how much Id offer and is really like to get a RH bat in the lineup besides Jonesy to go with him in that case
@RiverAveBlues: Cashman doesn’t expect any moves during GM Meetings http://t.co/bcGUcMob
blake November 8th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
“Building around Cano makes all the sense in the world. He’s one of the 5 best all around players in the sport and these are his prime years.”
He’s almost past his prime years…..you don build around a guy that’s already 30. Cano is great…..the question is how much longer will he be great
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Which is why I am an advocate for trading him.
Blake what did Jeters 30-35 years look like. this idea that an elite level players career is over @ 30 is hogwash.
I’d take Robbie on a 7-8yr deal without hesitation. I wouldn’ sign any athlete toa 10yr contract. barring injury I’d be pretty excited about his production in the first 5-6yrs of that deal.
I don’t even think we’ve seen Robbie’s best 2 seasons yet.
In fact I’m projecting that next year he gives us .340+/41HRs/120runs/125rbis and .400 obp and finishes top 3 for the MVP if not wins it.
Alex Rodriguez is going to be a big force in this lineup next year.
Based on what? I’m not completely ruling ARod out of making a Jeter-like comeback but I think it’s unlikely. I spent most of the year thinking he must be injured but the Yankees insist he was not. Unlike Jeter, he’s not a guy who can grind out at-bats. Now that the pitchers have worked out he’s whiffing at balls that he used to stroke out of the stadium, he’s going to find himself behind in the count most of the time. Somehow he has to earn the respect of the pitcher again.
blake November 8th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
@RiverAveBlues: Cashman doesn’t expect any moves during GM Meetings http://t.co/bcGUcMob
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That makes sense – GM meetings are where you have initial conversations; Winter Meetings are where things heat up.
The problem I think I have with Brian is that he has this defeatist attitude when it comes to making moves. I don’t expect him to tell the fans through the media what all his hopes and dreams for the team are, but he also doesn’t need to come out and say that he doesn’t think there’s anything he can do. And worse, every move he makes he regrets about thirty seconds after he makes it and talks about how he paid too much or gave up too much…
I think Brian’s a well intentioned GM, but I also think that all managers and general managers have a shelf life and if Hal was more engaged with the organization I think he would realize Brian has reached his. The downside though is that because Hal is so disengaged I fear that Randy Levine would become more involved with player decisions if Brian were to be let go and that’s not a good thing. But hey, at least Nardi Contreras is gone.
Chip were you an advocate of trading Jeter when he was 31? Should the Tigers be exploring trading Miggy?
champ809 November 8th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Chip were you an advocate of trading Jeter when he was 31? Should the Tigers be exploring trading Miggy?
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Jeter wasn’t a FA at 31. He was already under contract as is Miggy. If Jeter had hit free agency at 31 and was known to be looking for an 8 – 10 year contract I would not have been in favor of giving it to him though.
“Blake what did Jeters 30-35 years look like. this idea that an elite level players career is over @ 30 is hogwash.”
Jeter has a better approach than Cano and is a totally different type hitter…..I didn’t say he’d be washed up….I said you don’t build around a guy that is close to exiting his prime age…..nobody said his career would be over…..but it’s likely he will start to decline around 32 or 33.
fem – That he’ll be injured this year!! lol
@SamBorden
VERY poor choice of words RT @NYPost_Schwartz: Is Hakeem Nicks worried about his lack of production? “Stats are for girls,” Nicks said.
Shame , you cynic, you!
Joe (Chicago)
Keith, who has the better tools between Slade Heathcott and Mason Williams?
Klaw (2:15 PM)
Heathcott. But Williams is much more advanced as a player and less likely to injure himself by trying to demolish a brick wall with his shoulder.
Cano is a better pure hitter than Jeter is and ever was and I’d venture to guess with the fluidity and easy power he generates that he’ll continue to be an all-star to elite level hitter well into his mid 30′s.
You could probably depend on Cano until age ~35 just like Jeter with his first contract, but Cano will be signed further into the future and that is why its dicey.
Cano is a better pure hitter ? What does PURE mean ? I hate to tell you this but Jeter has how many hits and Cano ? Cano “pure” hitter my tush, you are just repeating what others say and don’t even know what it means. Cano swings at everything and everything has no discipline.. and when his bat slows down you are left with 0 for 31 in his genius post season.
stupid comparison anyway.. dang sheep.