Cashman expects Kuroda to decline offer
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 09, 2012 
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Brian Cashman said he has not heard officially, but based on his conversations with the agents for Hiroki Kuroda, Nick Swisher and Rafael Soriano, he expects all three to decline their qualifying offers. Scott Boras has made it clear to Cashman that Soriano will decline.
Makes sense – all three of them are going to get multi-year offers.
Re-Evaluating where the Yankee FA’s wind up:
Swisher – San Francisco
Kuroda – Boston
Martin – Pittsburgh
Soriano – Detroit
Andy, Mo, Ibanez, Chavez – NYY
I thought Kuroda wanted a 1 year deal?
Why can’t we do that?
That being a multi year deal.
Cash,
Just get below the luxury tax threshold in 2013, rather than waiting for 2014. It just makes more sence.
I think Kuroda will return to the Yankees
mick November 9th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
That being a multi year deal.
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Yankees are disinclined to doing multi year deals with everyone other than Russ Martin it appears.
One more gaping hole. Can we play with a 15 man roster? Cashman saying he doesn’t expect any to accept one year offers is the same as saying none will return, including Kuroda.
Who would want their best pitcher back for two years? Good thing Hal and Brian are running the show.
Why would Kuroda at age 38 play for the Red Sox when he has no chance at winning a World Series. He might go back to the Dodgers, but otherwise it’s Yankees or Japan.
I thought Kuroda wanted a 1 year deal?
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Probably does, but off of last season, he can probably get one for more than $13.3M.
Kuroda passing on the QO doesn’t close the door on the Yankees working something out with him.
Yankees are disinclined to doing multi year deals with everyone other than Russ Martin it appears.
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You are jumping the gun a bit. The offseason just started, give Cashman a chance before you bury him
Wow. This is a bit of a surprise.
How high do you go? $15m or walk? $26m/2 or walk?
Haren’s hanging around…
Kuroda is supposed to only want one year. He probably just wants more time and/or more money.
I really want Kuroda to return.
But if the man wants a 2 year deal somewhere else, then he needs to go there.
Yankee should only offer him a 1 year deal and nothing more.
As for Swish and Soriano, well it was common knowledge neither was going to accept
the offer from Cash.
Patrick November 9th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Yankees are disinclined to doing multi year deals with everyone other than Russ Martin it appears.
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You are jumping the gun a bit. The offseason just started, give Cashman a chance before you bury him
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That’s true. But reports are out that they are going to pass on Hunter because he wants 2 years.
Kuroda turns 38 in February…how much are teams willing to pay?
If teams go over $15m for him I say let him walk and pocket the draft pick…
jacksquat November 9th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Kuroda is supposed to only want one year. He probably just wants more time and/or more money.
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Kuroda was recently quoted as saying he would be fine with a 1 year deal but that “it would have to be for significantly more money than the qualifying offer”
How high do you go for Kuroda on a 1 year deal $17m? Is that significant enough for him?
I think Boston or the Dodgers would offer him 2 years $30 – $33 M.
That’s true. But reports are out that they are going to pass on Hunter because he wants 2 years.
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Well that’s because he’s old and just came off a career year which he’s unlikely to repeat. I think they would be absolutely fine signing Kuroda to a two year deal.
Again though, when it hasn’t really been about the money with him, why sign with the Sox. What value does he give the Sox as well? Zero. So the Sox rumored to be involved is just to drive up the cost, if possible, for the Yankees. As soon as Soria mentioned the Yankees immediately the Sox called him.
Chip
Correct me if I am wrong, but the qualifying offer is for $13M, yes?
I would be content with offering Kuroda $15M & include some incentives
that could bump the value up another million, but that’s it.
I don’t think he’s worth $17M
How much will Pagan get in free agency?
Maybe Haren could be had for cheaper. Haren + a draft pick.
As much as we like Kuroda, he did start to wear a bit towards the end. He’ll also be another year older. I don’t like the idea of committing too much to him.
MTU – I sent your message along to Erin and she says you are absolutely right and she is ready to hang all of us for trying to trade Robbie
No 2 years for Hunter or Kuroda.
I don’t think they want to sign anyone to a 2 year deal, unless the 2nd year is bargain basement.
Ichiro might want that.
Front load it 10m 2013, 2m 2014.
Patrick November 9th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
That’s true. But reports are out that they are going to pass on Hunter because he wants 2 years.
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Well that’s because he’s old and just came off a career year which he’s unlikely to repeat. I think they would be absolutely fine signing Kuroda to a two year deal.
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Kuroda’s old and also coming off a very good year.
Chip
Correct me if I am wrong, but the qualifying offer is for $13M, yes?
I would be content with offering Kuroda $15M & include some incentives
that could bump the value up another million, but that’s it.
I don’t think he’s worth $17M
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He was worth more than Sabathia last season.
I think it’d be nice to know you have a 2014 rotation of CC, someone else, Hughes?, Nova?, Phelps? as opposed to a 2014 rotation of CC, Hughes?, Nova?, Phelps?, and ?
Warning Track Power November 9th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Chip
Correct me if I am wrong, but the qualifying offer is for $13M, yes?
I would be content with offering Kuroda $15M & include some incentives
that could bump the value up another million, but that’s it.
I don’t think he’s worth $17M
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I don’t disagree – but the question is what is Kuroda looking for? Like I said, I think the Dodgers or Red Sox would offer him 2 years at $15 – $16/year
Kuroda deserves a raise. No question about it.
He simply can refuse the offer and agree to re-negotiate with Cashman in the next
few days.
No 2 year deal for Kuroda. The risk is far too high.
Chip
Why would be choose to pitch for the ailing Red Sox? Sounds like a mistake
He was already a Dodger, so why would he return to the place he recently left?
I think Kuroda will sign for 1 year with the Yankees at $15-16 Mil
It makes sense.
No team on a 2 year deal will give him more than $22 (well maybe the Dodgers) but the RedSox I don’t think would.
Knowing he can get get a couple of million more on a 1 year deal, he would be foolish not to decline the QO
I’m actually fairly shocked the Yankees didn’t give Russ Martin a QO. It would have been very interesting to see what happened.
On the one hand, it’s way more money than he deserves based on last season. On the other hand there are tons of teams that need catchers and somehow Martin is the best one on the market. So would he take the offer to get the most money or would he turn it down knowing that he can get a multi-year offer for less money per year from another team.
Haren would be a nice rebound candidate, but his stuff definitely dropped off. I also don’t think he could be had short term unless there is enough fear that there are arm or shoulder issues behind his performance dip.
Warning Track Power November 9th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Chip
Why would be choose to pitch for the ailing Red Sox? Sounds like a mistake
He was already a Dodger, so why would he return to the place he recently left?
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Red Sox have tons of money and if they make the right moves they’ll be right back in the hunt next year (and signing Kuroda would be one of those right moves)
He didn’t want to leave the Dodgers and had they not been in disarray last winter I think he would’ve stayed there.
maybe Kuroda just wants a not trade clause and the qualifying offer doesn’t give that.
How about the risk of not signing Kuroda? He will not be replaced by anyone near his equal. Losing him, Martin and Swisher with lesser replacements on an aging team means uncompetitive. They will NOT make the playoffs with this group supplemented by one year players.
They have little to trade and no money to spend. Martin will be light years better than the likely alternative. Now I understand why they picked up another crappy catcher.
The good news is no more complaints about post season performance.
The Red Sox have tons of money, that is true. And they freed up that money by unwinding bad contracts they just signed. They were extremely lucky from a timing standpoint with the Dodgers free cash. That was a one off. This years free agenct crop is full of unknows who want big money. Greinke (mental) Hamilton (substance) Haren (physical?) Upton (makeup). They all have big question marks and they could just repeat picking up another bad contract. At this point they are behind the Blue Jays talent wise so no they are not close.
Kuroda’s old and also coming off a very good year.
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Two very different players though. It was by no means a career year for Kuroda, we can safely expect a similar year out of him in 2013. And there wasn’t an established period of decline with Kuroda like you can see with Hunter.
Cashman said none of the three will accept a one year offer according to the reporters. Two years seems a limited risk to me. It is one many other teams will make.
High risk to the Yankees translates into a contract extending into 2014.
The Red Sox are determined to improve next year. The Yankees are determined to spend less money. I’d be more optimistic with the former.
Next year, if we are truly bringing the payroll all the way down and waiting for AA players to develop will be ugly. A lot of washed up or old player signings to try and keep afloat and make the playoffs again.
Maybe Kuroda is going to hook the Yankees up…can he reject the offer, take a one year deal w/ similar money, and the Yanks get the draft pick?
“Cashman said none of the three will accept a one year offer according to the reporters.”
He said that? Or he said that none would accept the qualifying offers?
Good afternoon all, I’m new to the comment section here on the blog but have been a regular in reading the blog articles and comments for years since the Pete Abe days.
Martin, Swisher and Kuroda combined for a 10.2 WAR last year. Personally, I have little faith their replacements will be replacement level, but if they are they are now at 85 wins. Of course, Mo has to equal Soriano at 43 and the remaining geriatric crowd must not decline for the 85 wins.
He said that? Or he said that none would accept the qualifying offers?
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The latter
“Maybe Kuroda is going to hook the Yankees up…can he reject the offer, take a one year deal w/ similar money, and the Yanks get the draft pick?”
you don’t get a draft pick if the player signs back with you.
I think it’s very possible that Kuroda doesn’t accept the Q offer simply because he wouldn’t have no trade protection with it……
The reporter in the right hand column reports Cashman said “I don’t expect anyone to accept” one year offers. The last three words were the reporters, I guess, but it is not clear. It would seem to be an important few words to throw out for the reporter.
Kuroda might very well want a 1 year deal with the Yankees but even if that is true it would still be a bad decision to accept the qualifying offer. Keep his options open, and drive up his price on the open market. I suspect the Yankees would be ok with going up to $15 mill on a one year deal or 14 mil for 2 years.
the rs will try to amp up all salaries we might be going after.
martin, kuroda……pettitte, mo?
Good point, blake.
austinmac, I doubt Swish or Sori will sign any one-year deals, but I’d be willing to bet that Kuroda will. So Cashman’s actual message was likely about the trio declining the qualifying offers.
“I suspect the Yankees would be ok with going up to $15 mill on a one year deal or 14 mil for 2 years.”
I think they’d go up to 15 million for a year…..I don’t think they’ll want to go to 2 years unless the AAV comes down….it’s going to be extremely tight in 2014 with the budget and they really can’t afford to put 10+ million on the books for that season for a pitcher who will be pushing 40 that season……I think they’ll over pay for 1 but if he wants two they’ll walk away just like with Hunter.
I suspect the Yankees would be ok with going up to $15 mill on a one year deal or 14 mil for 2 years.
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Why not front load that?
Say, 10m this year 4m next?
Shame-
Thanks for passing that on.
I think ?
Maybe Kuroda will decline the offer and then accept a similar deal with a no trade later tonight…..I doubt it but we can hope.
Look at the Yankees current roster, assume they will add one year contract players exclusively or at least largely, it is a very diminished team which does not look like a playoff team to me.
They can make it one, but not if they can’t acquire good players. Good, cheap young players don’t get traded because of value. Maybe they can look at 2014 free agents and try to acquire them knowing they will only be there for a year. That doesn’t sound like a good use of prospects. That leaves old or otherwise run of the mill players.
Where have I gone wrong in my assessment? It is scary out here on the ledge.
“Why not front load that?
Say, 10m this year 4m next?”
why would Kuroda pitch for 2 years for 14 million when he just got offered 13.3 million to pitch for one year?
sorry that’s a lowball…..say, on 14m/2 they go 18 1st yr, 10 next or something like that…
Patrick November 9th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Kuroda’s old and also coming off a very good year.
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Two very different players though. It was by no means a career year for Kuroda, we can safely expect a similar year out of him in 2013. And there wasn’t an established period of decline with Kuroda like you can see with Hunter.
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I don’t think you can safely expect anything from a player over 38.
I still have hope that Hiroki will be a Yankee.
I’d like to see them wrap it up quickly though so the Yankees can move on to other buisness.
Yankees can’t afford to be held hostage to the negotiating process.
Give him you final offer and be done with one way or another.
Other items are contingent upon this signing
“sorry that’s a lowball…..say, on 14m/2 they go 18 1st yr, 10 next or something like that…”
that puts 14 million in AAV on the Yankees books for 2014…..can’t see them doing that.
If he will take a one year deal and wants to return, the team cannot let a couple million cause his loss. He is too valuable. Seventeen? Sure, it’s not 2014 yet.
Draft picks are the most important thing going forward since mlb want’s every team to be equal,and every team to make the playoffs.
Stack-em-up.
Take the picks,save our prospects,and trade cano,and granderson for a few top prospects.
The giants won it all with a crappy team.
A few big bats,and great pitching,and anybody can win the ws.
I believe the Yanks trade Grandy or Cano for pitching studs this offseason / i think a large move will happen, one that does not include them spending money!! Kuroda is gonna walk, Pettitte may or may not come back but they won’t count on either / they will try to stock up on young pitching knowing the bats are slowin down
AP needs to let Cashman know ASAP too.
I like Martin, but I wouldn’t chase him. The Yanks need to get away from the “all or nothing” offensive approach. That’s Martin to a T, and besides, he’s gonna want a multi-year deal. NO WAY.
Kuroda has the Yanks by the short-and-curlies. I’d overpay for 1 season, but NO multi-year Guarantee. Mutual option on yr 2? OK.
Torii Hunter is Swish Lite. Swisher wore that act out. NOPE
Trade market the best way to go. Biggest Yankee Chips? Cano, Nunez, Grandy, Gardner, Phelps, Nova, Hughes.
Shame asked the other day whether the direction of the team thus far influences Pettitte. Good question.
Cashman knows they’re all not going to accept the QO’s, that’s why they were offered. Only 1 he may want to accept is Kuroda and losing him isn’t the end of the world, he’s getting up there in age and his production was kinda a surprise to them
This, incidentally, is one of the reasons I would have gone after Dan Haren in a trade – no chasing, no worrying about a second year.
Donnybrook – i agree about the idea of trading – but losing any of the young cheap guys is counterproductive and wouldnt bring back much
Welcome to the comments section, thewarrior82. If you’ve really been following along for years, you should know what to expect. May God have mercy on your soul.
Thank You Nick ha ha
also on a side note – is this Cashman’s final year in his current contract?
austinmac November 9th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Shame asked the other day whether the direction of the team thus far influences Pettitte. Good question
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I don’t know what the hell influences Andy. But he does need to make a decision sooner rather than later. He can’t keep Brett Favreing his way around and keep the Yankees in limbo about whether he will or will not return.
I think as far as Pettitte is concerned they need to do what they did last year and plan like he’s not coming back and if he wants back in take the 2.5 mill or whatever / he won’t play for anyone else
“Cashman said none of the three will accept a one year offer according to the reporters.”
STFU! We’re DOOMED I TELL YA!!!
OH THE HUMANITY!!!!
how many picks will the yanks have in the 1st couple rounds next year? should be good !!!
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