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Kuroda, Swisher and Soriano reject qualifying offers

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 09, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Players Association just announced that every player presented with a qualifying offer has rejected it. That means Nick Swisher, Rafael Soriano and Hiroki Kuroda each turned down their one-year, $13.3-million offer from the Yankees.

Also turning down those offers from other clubs: Josh Hamilton, Michael Bourn, B.J. Upton, Kyle Lohse and Adam LaRoche.

 
 

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55 Responses to “Kuroda, Swisher and Soriano reject qualifying offers”

  1. jacksquat November 9th, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    tomingeorgia November 9th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
    BloggingBombers Here’s the list of MLB corner outfielders with 100 HR, 320 RBI, 320 runs, 550 games from 2009-12: Ryan Braun, Matt Holliday, Nick Swisher.

    This guy likes to cherry pick stats to make his arguments.

  2. tomingeorgia November 9th, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    Swish was always a favorite of mine. He played hard, loved New York, and deeply cared. Never came across as phony to me, “goofy”, as somebody said, but not phony. And where oh where are we going to find someone to replace his production?

    BloggingBombers Here’s the list of MLB corner outfielders with 100 HR, 320 RBI, 320 runs, 550 games from 2009-12: Ryan Braun, Matt Holliday, Nick Swisher.

    As for anyone being surprised when someone turns down $13.3 MM for one year when there’s a prospect of at least the same money for more years? whod’a thunk it?

  3. tomingeorgia November 9th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    JS, sorry, I forgot. Those are meaningless “counting” stats. Beg you pardon.

  4. austinmac November 9th, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    Tom,

    Don’t you know the silly stats about scoring runs don’t count?

  5. fantasygame101 November 9th, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    now the yankees can move on from swisher and probably soriano too. 2 draft picks will be good to have.

  6. RadioKev November 9th, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    Looks like MLB totally screwed up the qualifying offer system. Or maybe it’s just this year’s free agent market.

  7. kd November 9th, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    swish is going to sign a big deal somewhere, and i’ll miss him.

    if he gets a 5 year deal, he should take it but there’s going to be a team that’ll regret it. at least the last two years.

    i’d like to see ichiro on a one year deal

  8. Yankee Trader November 9th, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    So here’s the 2013 draft order for all teams:

    http://riveraveblues.com/resou.....aft-order/

    Assuming the Yankees don’t sign Hamilton, Bourn , BJ Upton, Lohse or LaRoche they pick #29………………Yipeeee!

    Then after the competitive balance lottery picks they might pick again as low as #38…………………Yipeeee again!

    Mr Cashman-Keep on trying to bring in players for one year, so we can get them to decline their QO’s and get a stable of youngsters , some of which might be able to contribute for the parent team in the years 2020 and beyond! :(

  9. Villa Nova-Ya November 9th, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    Lest you forget a couple of years ago Holiday’s fielding single-handedly cost the Cardinals their playoff run. And he looked totally inept in doing so.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KcGx99x_7I

    Stuff happens. Life is not perfect, nor is baseball, nor are baseball players.

    There is not one single player out there who has never made a mistake or had a slump.

  10. SoS November 9th, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    Ok. Im here to decode the Not On The Verge quote.

    Cano for Kemp is in the works.
    Tex and Phil for Braun.
    They get Tito out of retirement to play first base.

    I SMELL A BLOCKBUSTER and Im not talking about renting a movie.

    Cash knows he has some work to do and will do a ninjitsu moves yet again.

    PS. Can lohud please remove the Yankees close to trading for Lee on Recent Activity! I always have to do a double take and then I remember what could have been.

  11. tomingeorgia November 9th, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    Mac,
    Have they taken Walks, Ks and Homers off the “True Outcomes” list?

  12. Villa Nova-Ya November 9th, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    Or maybe the Yankees should try to finish at the bottom of the barrel for the next few years to secure a top draft pick.

  13. jacksquat November 9th, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    Swisher is a good player (except in the playoffs), I just never like when people say only these players have this much this, that much that, this many of those, etc., all arbitrary cutoffs to get the group of players you want.

  14. SoS November 9th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    BloggingBombers Here’s the list of MLB corner outfielders with 100 HR, 320 RBI, 320 runs, 550 games from 2009-12: Ryan Braun, Matt Holliday, Nick Swisher.

    =======

    Hmmm. Did he get those numbers up or down by 10 before the 7th inning? He should have sandbagged some for the playoffs. Is he the new Unclutch guy for the Yanks?

  15. Captain Clutch November 9th, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    Kuroda will probably sign with the Dodgers for 2 years. I can’t see Cashman offering him a second year. I think the most the Yanks would do is 1 year/$15m. Kuroda wore down at the end of the last year and it’s not smart to give a 38 year old a 2 year deal. The Dodgers throw out money like water now so it will probably be them that sign him.

  16. SoS November 9th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    now the yankees can move on from swisher and probably soriano too. 2 draft picks will be good to have.

    ======

    Can we use those draft picks like Yugiyo cards and trade them to KC for Gordon? Ill add some 2ND addition Garbage pail kid cards if it meant we could land Headley. I cant put draft picks and Yankees in the same sentence. Yankees and Championships Yes! No need to rebuild. RELOAD!

  17. kd November 9th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    the dodgers have made one really bad trade, hopefully this is a trend that does not continue

    unless of course, they trade us arod for kemp

  18. Captain Clutch November 9th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    AndrewMarchand If Yanks stick to $189M plan, they will likely only improve by shrewd trades. Good deals could create salary space.

  19. Tyler November 9th, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    Captain Clutch November 9th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
    Kuroda will probably sign with the Dodgers for 2 years. I can’t see Cashman offering him a second year. I think the most the Yanks would do is 1 year/$15m. Kuroda wore down at the end of the last year and it’s not smart to give a 38 year old a 2 year deal. The Dodgers throw out money like water now so it will probably be them that sign him.
    ——————————————————–

    I thought I read that Kuroda was going to either sign with the Yanks or go back go Japan.

  20. SoS November 9th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    AndrewMarchand If Yanks stick to $189M plan.

    ======

    How about management take pay cuts and we can use that money to improve the team. Or maybe ask Alex to give us a loan? Have a Yankee car wash day for fundraisers with the overpaid players washing our cars. I feel like we’re driving a Lamborghini but dont have enough money to put gas in it. This is embarrassing and not the Yankee way. Time to adjust to inflation. 300 mil here we come!

  21. SoS November 9th, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    I thought I read that Kuroda was going to either sign with the Yanks or go back go Japan.

    ======

    Tyler,
    kurodas agent came out yesterday I believe and said that was never the case. Just bad reporting.

  22. Captain Clutch November 9th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    I thought I read that Kuroda was going to either sign with the Yanks or go back go Japan.
    ———-

    One of the beat writers had quotes from him and he said it wasn’t true and he was looking at all of his options. I also read that the Dodgers are really interested and he was comfortable there.

  23. Jerkface November 9th, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    Wow looks like the QOs were a good idea huh? :twisted:
    this is why they had to make the QO, because no coveted free agent is going to limit their market after only 1 week.

  24. Yankee Trader November 9th, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    SoS-

    Where have you been?

    ARod might make a loan but it won’t lessen the AAV of his contract, plus the 6M marketing perk he’ll receive when he hits his 14th homer this year, passing Mays.

    Hopefully ARod will produce, but if he can’t, maybe he retires, voiding the remainder of the contract, when the Yankees gve him a partnership in the business. :)

  25. tomingeorgia November 9th, 2012 at 5:47 pm

    Did anyone else see the golf match today? That guy is going to go down in sports history, one way or another. I certainly hope the best for him.

    If you didn’t see what happened, read about it tomorrow.

  26. blake November 9th, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    “this is why they had to make the QO, because no coveted free agent is going to limit their market after only 1 week.”

    Probably should have made one to Martin as well….he may have accepted and you’d have to overpay him….but at least it would just be for a year and if he declined then you get a pick for him if he leaves

  27. I Am Winning November 9th, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    I still don’t get why fans are constantly talking about Hal’s $189 protection for 2014. It won’t happen, because it can’t happen, if the Yankees are looking to compete, which they are. The total player payroll will need to be under $180m. How is that even remotely possible with the amount of huge contracts they have now?

    Yes, Hal wants to be more money conscious, but when considering deals the Yankees make, stop considering the 189 number.

  28. G. Love November 9th, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    Really sad that Kuroda didn’t take the 3 million dollar plus raise. That means Cashman will have a built in excuse why we can’t keep him.

    As for Swisher, he played hard but not smart. The guy just tried to do too much and it showed. Let another team pay him 15 million a year and put him in the middle of their order and watch him struggle. He’s not that guy. He’s a complimentary piece that is going to be thrust into a lineup situation forced to be “the man” based on the salary he’ll receive. I feel bad for him in a sense because any team that brings him in to be their 4 hitter is going to expect a lot out of him and I don’t think he’s capable of it when the spotlight is on him. For most of his time with the Yankees the spotlight wasn’t on him. The few moments it was, he would fall apart.

    As for Soriano, I like the guy a lot but I wouldn’t give him 45-60 million to stay here for 3-4 years. Some team will.

    If the Yankees are going to play cheap going forward, you can’t sink that kind of money into the pen for a set up guy who is Mo insurance. It made sense 2 years ago when the team wasn’t pinching pennies, but now with their new “mandate”, you can’t spend that on a guy who pitches in 60 games.

    Now that Cashman knows all the qualifying offers have been rejected, he needs to show us he has a plan for the coming season other than replacing Swisher with Ibanez/Hairston.

    Right now we need 2 OF’ers, a Catcher, 2 starting pitchers, a closer, a DH or 3b. I’m not even going to talk about augmenting the middle relief yet.

    There’s a ton of work to be done. Patching holes ain’t gonna cut it.

  29. fantasygame101 November 9th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    no teams will offer qualifying offer to players that will have a significant raise if he accepts them. Then having said that, most players will not accept the qualifying offer bec. these players can get a longer contract in the market.

  30. SoS November 9th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    What is going on YT. Im so sick of this magic number 189. Its time for them to cut some fat off the roster and go after some players that are gamers. Fire Long, have Alex take that spot for free. For one, he knows everything Long knows, 2 everytime I see specials on the team Alex seems to be more of the hitting coach than anyone. Use Pena or Girardi behind the plate. Cant bat worse than Martin and will free some more money. Hire Oneil as an assistant to the assistant. Helping the batting coach and motivating the team with a couple cooler fits. I know it would cost us several coolers but he will work for free as long as we promise to retire his number after. Use the money to get some goodies in return and trade Grandy, Hughes and Cano if it makes sense for needs. This team needs fresh blood ala 2009.

  31. blake November 9th, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    “Really sad that Kuroda didn’t take the 3 million dollar plus raise. That means Cashman will have a built in excuse why we can’t keep him.”

    As I posted earlier I bet Kuroda wants no trade protection which the QO didn’t provide …..he may take a similar deal with a no trade attached yet

  32. I Am Winning November 9th, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    Swisher is a guy that, if he were more consistent, he would be an MVP condidate every season. Swisher’s problem is that he will go 10-20, an than go 1-20. When he is on, he is one of the absolute best hitters every time up, but when he’s cold he can’t get a single over 15 at bats. He does work the count regardless, he does play hard regardless, and his defense would help a lot of teams, but if his inconsistencies worth $15 a yr for 4 years? That’s the question.

  33. Yankee Trader November 9th, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    I’m not surprised at all that Kuroda is weighing his options, especially since the Yankees have so many holes to fill.

    Plus his batterymate last year and when he was a Dodger, might be elsewhere.

    Not to mention that the Yankees, second in the majors in runs scored with 804 runs or on average 4.96 runs/game scored 4.30 runs when Kuroda pitched with his 3.32 ERA and scored 5.71 runs for Sabathia with his 3.38 ERA. And that run support was something like 3.73 late into the season when the Yankees finally gave him some support.

    I don’t blame him for weighing his options in what might be his last year in the USA to have a chance at getting into the WS.

  34. blake November 9th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    Swisher’s production is going to be difficult to replace for the regular season without either spending a lot of money or making a really bold trade…..

    the only guy out there that is both cheap and likely to take a one year deal that could do it is probably Melky

  35. blake November 9th, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    “I still don’t get why fans are constantly talking about Hal’s $189 protection for 2014. It won’t happen, because it can’t happen, if the Yankees are looking to compete, which they are. The total player payroll will need to be under $180m. How is that even remotely possible with the amount of huge contracts they have now?”

    It’s definitely possible to get under….. Can they get under and be any good though…. No clue…..they seem determined to find out

  36. G. Love November 9th, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    I don’t blame Kuroda, Swisher or Soriano for trying to get more money. If they can, they should. The Yankees loyalty to them only extends so far and they only can earn these kind of dollars for a short period of time.

    That said, I want Kuroda back on this team. We haven’t had that kind of presence in the rotation since Andy was able to physically make it through a full season. It’s been a long time since we had a guy that all around solid. He’s also a professional and a class act.

    I’m all for the players making as much as they can. It’s why I think it’s absolutely ludicrous that ownership is now holding a budget level over fans heads. The owners make as much as they can. They don’t treat the fans with special treats meant to make watching the team cost less.

    I think it’s hypocritical for a team that charges a thousand dollars for a seat to a baseball game to tell us they can’t spend more because they don’t want to pay a penalty and we just have to watch old declining players they overpaid slowly finish their contracts instead of an exciting team trying to be the best.

    If the Yankees are dead set on cutting payroll and making us live with their mistakes of signing Arod and Tex as some penalty for being a Yankee fan they will destroy the business and brand we all helped them build.

  37. Yankee Trader November 9th, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    Blake-

    There are some players who hit FA after next season, who could make up Swisher’s 2012 production, if they don’t get an extension:

    I’m not endorsing trading for any of these:

    Michael Morse
    Jason Kubel
    Hunter Pence
    Carlos Beltran
    Corey Hart-hear they are working on an extension

  38. G. Love November 9th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    blake,

    I’m holding myself back from warming up to Melky coming back only because I know Cashman would never do it so we shouldn’t want it.

    Also, my pal Gammons wrote some drivel that Melky’s agents have alerted big market large media teams like his Red Sox to back off from Melky since that kind of pressure cooker environment might not suit him coming off the PED bust.

  39. blake November 9th, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    Trader,

    All those players you have to trade for though…..and some aren’t as good as Swisher is…..

  40. blake November 9th, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    I’m holding myself back from warming up to Melky coming back only because I know Cashman would never do it so we shouldn’t want it.”

    Never happen….I was just saying he’s probably their best bet to replace Swisher’s production for the money they want to spend

  41. blake November 9th, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    Basically the Yankees don’t want to spend any big money….they either don’t have the prospects or won’t part with the prospects to make big trades….and they won’t sign Melky because of their history……so good luck with all that I guess

  42. Yankee Trader November 9th, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    G,Love–

    If they are at $189 million or less for the three seasons from 2014-16, they not only avoid paying one cent in luxury tax, which would rise to 50 percent for them as repeat offenders, but they also would get roughly $40 million in savings via the to-be-implemented market disqualification revenue sharing program. However, only teams under the luxury-tax threshold get reimbursed in this program, which is designed to prevent big markets such as Toronto and Washington from receiving revenue sharing dollars, which in turn will lower how much teams such as the Yanks pay (as long as they are under the threshold).

    And even if they just went under $189 million for 2014 before going over again in 2015, the Yankees would receive serious benefits. They would get about $10 million in the revenue sharing disqualification program. Also, by simply going under the threshold once, the Yankees would go back to having a 17.5 percent tax rather than the 50 percent that begins in 2014 for them if they never go under. Keep in mind that since the luxury tax went to 40 percent for them in 2005, the Yankees have averaged paying $25.75 million in tax annually.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....D2c6NKXCRM

  43. Yankee Trader November 9th, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    Blake-

    That’s why I said I’m not endorsing trading for a one year rental, even though Cashman seems to want as many one year rentals to come off the books at the end of next season.

    Must remember that it’s not really a 189M payroll to try and be under at 2014 year end. It, more like 177-178M to allow for all benefits, such as medical insurance, etc paid to all 40 members on the roster. Not to mention the opening day payroll will need to be less than that to allow for inseason trades.

  44. RhapsodyInBlue November 9th, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    I miss the Boss.

    You wonder how much different things would be.

  45. G. Love November 9th, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    Yankee Trader,

    That’s all well and good and I see the benefit for going under.

    But the plan for getting there hasn’t worked out. For it to have worked, Cashman was supposed to have built a new young core either through the minors or through shrewd trades. He’s done none of those things.

    At this point, now that we’re staring it in the face the Yankees only way to save money is to weaken the team and the brand and fall further back to the pack than they already have.

    If the team had been able to develop, draft and trade for young cost controlled talent over the years it would be a non issue and 189 would leave breathing room.

    But right now, there’s no breathing room. They are paying almost 60 million to 2 players who have both declined drastically and have between 5-6 years left on their deals.

    They haven’t developed the starting pitching they needed to stay competitive so they are looking to sign 2 veteran types at minimum in the hopes of putting a good team on the field.

    They still need to pay a closer whether it’s Mo or someone else. They need at least a full time solution in RF.

    There’s so many holes because the team was unable to develop these guys or traded them off in a deal for Granderson who now is going to probably walk off for a draft pick after next season.

    The frustration you’re seeing from me & others is that the team knew they wanted to cut payroll the minute this CBA was agreed to & yet they operated and continue to operate in a manner that hasn’t set themselves up well for this budget cut.

    If they had traded for some young guys to fill the OF and the rotation or play behind the plate, etc. it’d be one thing. The fact that they haven’t done that means the solutions are only cost effective solutions – not about putting the best option on the field for each open position.

    I see the benefits of getting under 189 by 2014, but at what cost? Letting Cano walk?

    The Yankees got shafted by Tex and Arod. At least CC earns his dough and produces near the level he’s being paid for.

    They did not prepare for this. The Montero/Pineda trade was not enough to prepare for what they were facing. I see the logic in getting a young rotation piece, but that was 1 trade. Where are the other smart deals that prepared to replace high cost talent with young cost controlled talent to suit the budget goal?

    There weren’t any.

  46. blake November 9th, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Rival execs see #Rays as new front-runner for @JUS10UP10 and other notes from GM meetings. http://t.co/17DyHFYW

  47. blake November 9th, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    @mikeaxisa: Heh, there’s a perfect storm scenario in which NYY winds up with the 27th, 28th, 29th, and 30th overall pick next year.

  48. tucker November 9th, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    “Looks like MLB totally screwed up the qualifying offer system. Or maybe it’s just this year’s free agent market.”

    Maybe the new system was designed to cut down on the number of compensatory draft picks. Before teams would randomly offer arb to most Type As and Bs. That resulted in a slew of compensatory draft picks. Remember when the Red Sox picked up Felipe Lopez off the scrap heap, played him a couple of weeks then offered him arb at the end of the year because he was a Type B? That netted the Sox a draft pick.

    Under the new system, you take some financial risk for making a QO. There really won’t be that many compensatory draft picks. The top free agents that are virtually guaranteed multi-year deals will turn down the QOs. But the mediocre players will, in most cases, not be offered a QO because their team does not want to get stuck with a one year, $13 million-plus salary

    IMO, the new system works better. More risk for the team making the QO, but also potentially more reward because the “tweener” draft picks are not watered down.

  49. blake November 9th, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    I think one of the main reasons they changed the season was because a lot of relievers and second tier players got screwed with the type A/type B stuff…..relievers would get tagged with a Type B and then nobody would want to sign them because they’d have to give up a draft pick……

    I actually like this system better as well because the teams do have to make a legit offer to all players if they want to get compensation…..basically it ensures the good players teams lose will get picks and the players who shouldn’t wont for te most part

  50. blake November 9th, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    The part of the new system that sucks for the Yankees is that their budget is going to be so tight moving forward that they may not be able tondo what they did this year again and take a chance on offering 3 guys the qualifying offer……they might take it and put them over the limit…..

  51. tucker November 9th, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    On the flip side, the Yanks seem to only offer one-year contracts now. So they now have abundant opportunity to collect new draft picks, if they are willing to offer the QOs … Of course, you are not going to offer the likes of Jonesy a QO.

  52. blake November 9th, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    “On the flip side, the Yanks seem to only offer one-year contracts now. So they now have abundant opportunity to collect new draft picks, if they are willing to offer the QOs”

    Problem is that the QO might be risky sometimes when your payroll is set at a certain number….yanks might might to make the offers and then trade players if they accept to clear space

  53. Duh Innings II November 9th, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    Let go of all three and take the draft picks.

    I say sign Jake Peavy to a year and $13.3M so he makes $17.3M total for 2013 ($13.3M plus the $4M the White Sox will buy him out for to avoid paying him $22M for 2013), Joakim Soria for a year and an amount far less than $13.3M, offer Torii Hunter a year and $10.25M or what Swisher made in 2012 and give him 24 hours to accept or decline it. If he declines it, offer Melky Cabrera the same contract. Offer Garcia and Lowe minor-league contracts, too

    Sabathia / Peavy / Hughes / Pettitte / Nova, Phelps, Warren, Pineda, Garcia, or Lowe would be the rotation.

    Rivera / Robertson / Soria / Aardsma / Chamberlain / Logan / Rapada or Cabral would be the bullpen.

    Melky or Hunter in RF (Granderson LF, Gardner CF.)

    Sabathia, Teixiera, and Rodriguez would be the only Yankees signed beyond 2013.

  54. Duh Innings II November 9th, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    The Yanks should offer Cano four years and $20M a year.

    That contract takes Cano through age 35 and gives him the third biggest contract for a homegrown player by money in team history after the contracts for Jeter and Williams who have five and four times as many World Series rings as Cano, respectively, nine times as many rings as Cano together.

    History shows Hall Of Fame secondbasemen decline after age 33. I say have Cano through age 35 only. If he’s so good he should have no problem getting another contract after age 35. Also A-Rod’s decline began at age 35. Cano through age 31 will not and never will be as good as through age 31 A-Rod. That’s it.

  55. Jerkface November 9th, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Jake peavy re signed with the white sox.


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