Quick notes: Cano, Swisher, Martin and Nakajima
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 09, 2012 
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Just a few quick notes and links from the final day of the GM Meetings.
• The Yankees would like to keep Russell Martin but are sure to lose Nick Swisher. One team interested in both of them is reportedly the Mariners who could use Swisher to improve their outfielder corners and Martin to improve behind the plate. But I thougth the Mariners got their catcher last winter…
• Robinson Cano is under contract for another year, but clearly the Yankees would like to sign him to another multi-year deal eventually. Joel Sherman reports that it won’t be easy because Cano is not willing to sign another team-friendly contract. Not sure which would be harder given the new financial goals: Re-signing Cano or replacing him.
• Remember Japanese shortstop Hiroyuki Nakajima? The Yankees won the rights to him last winter, and now he’s hit the market as a free agent. Seems like much more of a utility guy than a starter, though. He wasn’t interested in joining the Yankees last winter, and that might not change this winter.
Here’s a good old fashioned “the playoffs are a crapshoot” article, brought to you by Freakonomics. http://www.freakonomics.com/20.....ld-series/
“When we look at the playoffs with at least eight teams, the “best” teams do even worse. From 1995 to the present (across 18 seasons) we see the following:
Top team in winning percentage won the World Series 3 times.
Top team in Pythagorean Win-Loss won the World Series 3 times
Top team in Simple Rating System won the World Series 5 times”
- CANO BALLOT COUNT -
(A) TRADED – 12
(B) RE-SIGNED – 2
(3) WALKS – 0
All ballots being counted and verified in Cook County, Chicago.
I think Cano will be re-signed…..I also think it’ll probably be for too much money and too many years and that the Yankees will hold that contract over the fans heads just like they have with Arod and Teixera.
I won’t be surprised if Cano leaves as a free agent next year. It was obvious that the Yanks weren’t getting a discount the second that he hired Boras. It’s going to take 8-9 years and $200m+ to sign him. I really don’t understand why Hal doesn’t try to get a deal done this off season. Next year he is going to watch the Dodgers and maybe the Phillies, Mariners and others offer $200m+ and then realize there are no discounts or loyalty. The Yanks stupid policy about not giving extensions just costs them more money in end…but the clowns haven’t figured that out yet.
Interesting that the Mariners are interested in Martin. I still think he winds up with the Pirates.
blake November 9th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
I think Cano will be re-signed…..I also think it’ll probably be for too much money and too many years and that the Yankees will hold that contract over the fans heads just like they have with Arod and Teixera.
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exactly – like I said 8yrs $24mil/year and the Yankees will be worse off for it.
“The Yanks stupid policy about not giving extensions just costs them more money in end…but the clowns haven’t figured that out yet.”
the policy made sense back when they’d just pay whatever it took to keep players…..it took the risk out of signing them early in case they got hurt or their production fell off or whatever……but given the way they are operating now that policy is really outdated and is hurting them in many cases.
“exactly – like I said 8yrs $24mil/year and the Yankees will be worse off for it.”
I really think the Yankees will walk away at that number…..and they’ll probably lose him for a draft pick if so…..
blake November 9th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
“The Yanks stupid policy about not giving extensions just costs them more money in end…but the clowns haven’t figured that out yet.”
the policy made sense back when they’d just pay whatever it took to keep players…..it took the risk out of signing them early in case they got hurt or their production fell off or whatever……but given the way they are operating now that policy is really outdated and is hurting them in many cases.
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Well in this case it was Cashman’s mouth that got them in trouble. When Cano first hired Boras and Boras said he would be interested in negotiating a new long term deal for Robbie with the Yankees Cashman got on the air and slammed him making Boras look like a fool and forcing Robbie to comment on it when he probably didn’t want to. So now Boras has had two years to whisper sweet nothings in Robbie’s ear about how he’s been vastly underpaid on his current deal and how when they had the chance to do something about it the Yankees didn’t so why consider signing for less to stay with them.
The only player the policy really backfired with was Posada. The Yankees ended up hosed on that last deal because Jorge started breaking down almost as soon as the ink was dry.
blake November 9th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
“exactly – like I said 8yrs $24mil/year and the Yankees will be worse off for it.”
I really think the Yankees will walk away at that number…..and they’ll probably lose him for a draft pick if so…..
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Depends on who is making the call – Cashman would walk away because the math says it would be near impossible to give him that money and still build a team. Randy Levine?? I don’t know.
Like I said, I find it telling that Boras says he’s had conversations with Levine about Soriano but not Cashman.
Put me down for B. There’s no way the Yankees are going to let Cano walk. He’s the only certainty they have in their lineup right now.
I can’t see the Yanks walking away from Cano. If so then who are they building their team around? Definitely not a 34 year old Tex. Players as good as Cano don’t reach the free agent market so to replace him the Yanks would have to make a trade and give up 3-4 good players plus $170m. It doesn’t make sense to not give him what it will take to bring him back.
Captain Clutch November 9th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Players as good as Cano don’t reach the free agent market so to replace him the Yanks would have to make a trade and give up 3-4 good players plus $170m.
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Albert Pujols, Jose Reyes and Prince Fielder all hit the FA market last year.
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AFL Slade Heathcott: .314/.435/.490. Might make big noise next year in Trenton and looks like his injury issues are behind him.
By the way – I landed at 8 and $24/year based on the deal that Boras got for Fielder last year.
blake November 9th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
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AFL Slade Heathcott: .314/.435/.490. Might make big noise next year in Trenton and looks like his injury issues are behind him.
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That would be nice. Hopefully he’s not traded before we get to see him as a Yankee.
I’d love to see Heathcott have a big 2013 season, he has all the tools to be a great player.
in hindsight the Yankees probably should have signed Cano to a Jeter type long term deal when they did his first extension……it would have ended when he was like 36 and would have given him security and the AAV would have been better than what they’ll end up having to pay him to stay……the deal they got him for was awesome….but now its almost over and they have a big decision to make.
Cano dawgs it now at this young age. I guess its possible he can dawg it even more as he ages.:(
And Girardi is ok with it. Sad ‘State of the Yankees’.
The good thing about no early extension is hopefully we all get to once again see how he performs in the playoffs next year, if they get in, before ponying up obsessive amounts of $$$ to this clueless slacker.
Here’s the dysfunction as I see it in the Yankee organization.
Hal doesn’t much care – he views this as something he has to do rather than something he wants to do.
Cashman is content to try to build from within because he’s tired of being known as an average GM with a superior bankbook.
Levine has expanded power with Hal’s ambivalence and is concerned with back pages and luxury box sales (considering himself the spirit of George if you will) and so he will make the big deal and let Brian figure out how to fit it into Hal’s budget.
So while Brian might on some level be comfortable with bringing up a guy like Adams or waiting on prospects, Levine doesn’t believe you can sell tickets that way (as the Boss didn’t believe it either) and what’s more, Cashman’s team has shown a spotty ability at best when it comes to developing prospects so Levine does have a leg to stand on.
As a result I don’t think you’ll see any of these Yankee prospects making an impact with the team.
Oh, and I truly hope I’m wrong about that.
AFL Slade Heathcott: .314/.435/.490. Might make big noise next year in Trenton and looks like his injury issues are behind him.
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AFL pitching talent is at a ridiculous low this year, but it’ll be interesting to see how he fares at the next level nonetheless.
blake,
In hindsight you are right but at the time of signing him he had only had 2 good seasons and wasn’t the fielder he is today. At the time of Jeter signing his 10 year deal he was already an established star player with 4 rings. It was a safer bet that Jeter would continue to be great.
We also don’t know if Cano was even open to signing a longer term deal, maybe he only wanted the 5 year deal so he could hit free agency.
in hindsight the Yankees probably should have signed Cano to a Jeter type long term deal when they did his first extension
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I’d guess his agent wouldn’t go for it. As is often the case with this kind of deal, 2-3 free agent years come relatively cheap as measured against what would be paid on the FA market. Yankees really made out on this one, but won’t so much with the next.
If you’ll recall, Cashman was also outta-the-loop when negotiating the Ichiro deal. Cashman’s sway has diminished greatly, ever since George handed the keys to Hal and Hank.
If you’ll recall, Cashman was also outta-the-loop when negotiating the Ichiro deal. Cashman’s sway has diminished greatly, ever since George handed the keys to Hal and Hank.
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The Ichiro deal? I’m pretty sure that’s not true. Cashman made that trade …
luis November 9th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Odds,
I wrote yesterday I think, that they should have given Cano a longer term deal when they extended him… Of course, it is easy to say it in hindsight…Like they did to Jeter in his first contract… This way the yankees had a better bargaining position
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Blake
“I’d guess his agent wouldn’t go for it”
You don’t think his agent would have done a 10/189 contract in 2008?
Heathcott needs to learn that baseball is not football, and that hitting walls and other hard objects w/o padding is kinda different.
Patrick,
Yea I said in hindsight…..the deal they got him for was great though
Hearhcott is my favorite prospect I think…..I want somebody that will break stuff and beat up Red Sox catchers when they talk smack
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Cashman was informed Ichiro wanted to come to NY, and he Immediately handed it Upstairs.
Cashman was informed Ichiro wanted to come to NY, and he Immediately handed it Upstairs.
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I’m fairly sure you are making this up
Blake-
Trouble is his style of play usually leads to him breaking himself.
Gotta love a guy whose first name is “Slade”.
Lends itself to rhyming.
Slade-the-Blade.
MTU says:
November 9, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Blake-
Trouble is his style of play usually leads to him breaking himself.
True but maybe he will last awhile
“Fairly sure”, “pretty sure”, your resolve needs work.
“Fairly sure”, “pretty sure”, your resolve needs work.
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And you need to give some proof to back up your absurd statements. But you never have in the past so why should I expect anything different? I didn’t realize they had computers in the loony bin, do you get access if you take your pills? Clearly they aren’t working, might want to talk with your doctor about adjusting the medication.
Blake-
Kid has had 2 or 3 surgeries already.
Odds of durability are not looking good unless he learns the difference between “hard” and “soft” objects.
Don’t see him lasting long unless he does.
Patrick November 9th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
If you’ll recall, Cashman was also outta-the-loop when negotiating the Ichiro deal. Cashman’s sway has diminished greatly, ever since George handed the keys to Hal and Hank.
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The Ichiro deal? I’m pretty sure that’s not true. Cashman made that trade …
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I think in this rare case the blind squirrel found a nut. At least half a nut. Chuck Armstrong (President of the Mariners) and Randy Levine agreed to the framework that the Yankees would get Ichiro but the specific players were left up to Jack and Cash.
What is up fellas!
In other news. Kobe i mean Lakers fire Brown after 1-4 start. Can someone remember a Coach getting fired after only 5 games in the season?
I think in this rare case the blind squirrel found a nut. At least half a nut. Chuck Armstrong (President of the Mariners) and Randy Levine agreed to the framework that the Yankees would get Ichiro but the specific players were left up to Jack and Cash.
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So how does that signify that Cashman is out of the loop? He still made the trade, determined what players to send to the Mariners, negotiated with Jack Z, etc. This is not a Rafael Soriano situation at all
You don’t think his agent would have done a 10/189 contract in 2008?
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Well, okay. You have a point there. Cano didn’t have Jeter’s cachet, so the Yankees wouldn’t have considered it, but yeah, he’d have probably signed that one.
“But I thougth the Mariners got their catcher last winter…”
The author of the blog trolling? Really?
Yeah, and I “thought” the Yankees got a functioning pitcher in return, but it turns out he missed the entire season and will in all likelihood will be a shell of his former self when he comes back in what, 2014? While Montero will at least be on the field, healthy, and will surely improve. Nice call though.
Can someone remember a Coach getting fired after only 5 games in the season?
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Cal Ripken Sr got gassed after 6 games by the Orioles in 1988.
Patrick November 9th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
I think in this rare case the blind squirrel found a nut. At least half a nut. Chuck Armstrong (President of the Mariners) and Randy Levine agreed to the framework that the Yankees would get Ichiro but the specific players were left up to Jack and Cash.
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So how does that signify that Cashman is out of the loop? He still made the trade, determined what players to send to the Mariners, negotiated with Jack Z, etc. This is not a Rafael Soriano situation at all
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Like I said, he was half right. This was a deal that was handed to Cashman as being basically done, “Brian, the Mariners are trading us Ichiro, call Jack and figure out what players we’re sending back.” It’s sort of like the David Justice scenario where Brian happened to call up Mark Shapiro to talk about getting someone their WS ring and Shapiro says, “while I have you on the phone, want Dave Justice?” It’s not that he’s going out looking for these guys.
theREALkevin November 9th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
“But I thougth the Mariners got their catcher last winter…”
The author of the blog trolling? Really?
Yeah, and I “thought” the Yankees got a functioning pitcher in return, but it turns out he missed the entire season and will in all likelihood will be a shell of his former self when he comes back in what, 2014? While Montero will at least be on the field, healthy, and will surely improve. Nice call though.
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Yes but the Yankees aren’t looking to spend big money on a pitcher
- PAT -
I Accept your apology.
I Accept your apology.
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I never apologized and I never will. You were wrong about Cashman and you are a crazy person. Have a nice day
Kobe i mean Lakers fire Brown after 1-4 start
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It’d be the absolute coolest if the Lakers hired Stan Van Gundy.
SPN New York ?@ESPNNewYork
Nick Swisher set to decline New York Yankees’ qualifying offer, agent says http://dlvr.it/2SQMGY
I think the Lakers should hire Shaq
After the way the Lakers\Kobe ran Shaq outta town, nothing they do can be a surprise.
jacksquat November 9th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Against All Odds November 9th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Welcome to the New New York Yankees where the best player has to be traded because they can’t afford him wtf.
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The best player does have to be traded if you don’t want to be paying a lot of money to old players. The Yankees need to make it clear that they are no longer a retirement home.
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It would be a lot easier if they have viable replacements for those old players. Saying goodbye to an old guy in his late 30s is not a problem when you have a spry 23-24 yr old ready to make an impact.
blake November 9th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
I think the Lakers should hire Shaq
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Steve Nash would be giddy with D’antoni
Heathcott reminds me of Dykstra.
jacksquat November 9th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Heathcott reminds me of Dykstra.
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Hopefully his post baseball life goes better.
I think the Lakers should hire Shaq
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That would be glorious
Set to decline? How about just do it? Why do they wait until the last minute?
Yeah stay away from the stock market kid.
I think they should hire ryan madson. They will probably settle with phil kicking down the door to get a toe ring now that the lakers are an all star team again. When you cant beat em he joins em.
“But I thougth the Mariners got their catcher last winter…”
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In addition to Montero and the rumored interest in Martin (personally, I’m good with Jaso/Montero platoon, for now) there’s also a 1st-rounder donning the tools of ignorance and currently playing in the AFL who some think may be on the bullet train to the bigs…
Anyhoo, apparently, just like pitching, you can never have too much catching
signed him to an extension early this offseason or trade cano. Offer him your maximum contract that you will offer next yr, if he will not re-signed then trade him. This offseason, the yankees still has the leverage bec. they can trade him.
We need a Hank interview to kick-off the Hot Stove. Kinda like the starters gun, but with Real bullets.
DONNYBROOK November 9th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
We need a Hank interview to kick-off the Hot Stove. Kinda like the starters gun, but with Real bullets.
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What’s your obsession with Hank? You realize he has absolutely nothing to do with baseball operations for the Yankees right?
Have you guys gotten Gordon yet? No?
…..DAVID WRIGHT.
That is all.
” The author of the blog trolling? Really?”
Oh please, lighten up a bit. Chad made a small and mildly sarcastic joke which should offend no one but the most extreme of the Montero absolutists.
Let’s be clear: if the Seattle Mariners sign Russell Martin to be their catcher, that will destroy all assumptions, demolish all conceptions, collapse all paradigms. Our understanding of the universe will be gone and we will be forced to start anew and create an entirely fresh consciousness in a new world, brave and blank.
What if we roll through this whole off season without hearing a word on extending Cano?
Let’s be clear: if the Seattle Mariners sign Russell Martin to be their catcher, that will destroy all assumptions, demolish all conceptions, collapse all paradigms. Our understanding of the universe will be gone and we will be forced to start anew and create an entirely fresh consciousness in a new world, brave and blank.
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So basically business as usual here at Lohud!
Yea, I know about Hank being exiled to the Steinbrenner Basement, but the guy IS entertaining.
Shame Spencer November 9th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
What if we roll through this whole off season without hearing a word on extending Cano?
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Panic, chaos, mayhem in the streets.
@JonHeymanCBS
As reported earlier, soriano rejected #yanks $13.3M qualifying offer. Sides are talking tho.
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About WHAT?!
Im hoping the mariners would sign martin. 2 reasons.
1. He cant hit his weight and tired of watching girardi 2.0.
2. That would extend the montero carroy to yankee fans thinking we could get jesus back.
Like in the movie dumb and dumber. 1 in a million? So you say theres a chance!
It would keep this place live in this offseason. Next option would be signing melk and bringing back the melk vs gritty.