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BBWAA Awards to be televised

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 10, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

For the first time, the Baseball Writers Association of America will televise its annual awards. Those awards include the MVP and Cy Young awards generally accepted as the top postseason honors in the sport. Awards seasons kicks off on Monday, and you can watch it unfold night-by-night on MLB Network. Here are the details.

The Baseball Writers Association of America (BBWAA) will announce the winners of the Most Valuable Player, Cy Young, Manager of the Year and Jackie Robinson Rookie of the Year awards exclusively on MLB Network from Monday, November 12 to Thursday, November 15, marking the first time the BBWAA Awards announcements will be televised live.

BBWAA Awards Week will feature the announcement of an award in the American League and National League live each day at 6:00 p.m. ET by BBWAA secretary-treasurer Jack O’Connell inside MLB Network’s Studio 42. The week begins with the announcement of the Jackie Robinson Rookie of the Year Awards on Monday, November 12, followed by the Manager of the Year announcements on Tuesday, November 13. The week continues with the announcement of the Cy Young Awards on Wednesday, November 14 and concludes with the MVP Award winners being announced on Thursday, November 15.

Hosted by MLB Network’s Greg Amsinger, BBWAA Awards Week will feature insight from MLB Network analysts Larry Bowa, Al Leiter, Dan Plesac, Harold Reynolds, Bill Ripken and Tom Verducci, plus live interviews with BBWAA members and this year’s award winners and finalists. Every show will also take an in-depth look at each award’s history.

MLB Network will analyze the BBWAA awards in its studio programming, including on Hot Stove, Intentional Talk and MLB Tonight. Clubhouse Confidential, hosted by Brian Kenny, will also discuss the awards from a sabermetric perspective. MLB Network will also air a special AL MVP Roundtable show on Wednesday, November 14 at 9:00 p.m. ET, which will feature a panel discussion of the highly-debated AL MVP Award competition.

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198 Responses to “BBWAA Awards to be televised”

  1. The Return of Stoneburner November 10th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    It appears the Yanks do not match up with the Indians for Choo – via Sherman.

  2. Jerkface November 10th, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    They dont match up with anyone :x

  3. blake November 10th, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    They match up with Jonesy pretty good

  4. blake November 10th, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    Cashman probably offered like Adam Warren for Choo

  5. blake November 10th, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    Cash is saving all his bullets for that Matt Garza trade….you watch.

  6. Yankee Trader November 10th, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    Blake-

    I’d take Jonesy-Larry Chipper Jones

  7. Yankee Trader November 10th, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    Maybe the Yankees could match up with the Indians for Asdrubal Cabrera and get Jeter to agree to play RF until he moves to 2nd when the Yankees finally have to trade Cano. No?

  8. jacksquat November 10th, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    Choo isn’t worth trading much. One year, makes money, can’t hit lhp at all.

  9. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    Evening Blake and YT.

  10. jacksquat November 10th, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    he Yankees’ offseason will become exponentially more complicated if they are unable to re-sign Hiroki Kuroda, opines Joel Sherman of the New York Post. Even if the Yankees like free agent alternatives like as Anibal Sanchez or Kyle Lohse, their current financial plan would preclude them from giving them hefty multi-year deals. While the D

  11. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    “Yankees’ offseason will become exponentially more complicated if they are unable to re-sign Hiroki Kuroda, opines Joel Sherman of the New York Post.”

    Absolutely agree. Let’s hope they get him.

  12. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    That’s really going out on a limb there, Joel. :roll:

  13. jacksquat November 10th, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    So, they won’t sign anyone past 2013, except maybe Martin? What the hell do they plan to do in 2014, have a 120 mil paroll?

  14. Yankee Trader November 10th, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    So you pay our Ace Kuroda 15M, you end up giving Rivera 12M with another 1-2M in incentives, and Pettitte can’t be insulted with less than 12M.

    Don’t expect much more for RF and the bench, and we’ll be fighting over which is more important again-offense or pitching.

  15. Jerkface November 10th, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    Barring some kind of amazing trade, this is shaping up to be the worst offseason.

  16. Shame Spencer November 10th, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    Did the Sox really sign Ross that cheap?? If we give Martin a 3 year pact I’m going to cry.

    I wonder if Cash is planning to wait until mid-season to do anything of significance.

  17. Shame Spencer November 10th, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    Not that the strategy makes sense …but saying it over and over might delay me slipping into a state of baseball depression for another few months.

  18. Yankee Trader November 10th, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    Since the Yankees rely on homeruns, in order to duplicate this past season after losing Swisher, Ibanez, Chavez, and Jones they’ll have to come up with nearly 75 homeruns.

    Barry Bonds?

  19. Shame Spencer November 10th, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    jacksquat November 10th, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    So, they won’t sign anyone past 2013, except maybe Martin? What the hell do they plan to do in 2014, have a 120 mil paroll?

    ————-

    The thing is.. in some ways it makes more sense to have at least a couple guys that will fill these ‘gaping holes’ for more than just a year since…. those wholes are really gaping lol, and no one is close in the system.

  20. Shame Spencer November 10th, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    holes*

    ..eff.

  21. Yankee Trader November 10th, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    Shame-

    We all might need group therapy during the winter. I was really surprised Georgia native, David Ross, isn’t back with the Braves. I would have been happy with a tandem of Ross and Romine and a 3rd catcher from the scrap heap of FA’s in AAA.

    Ross is better defensively than Martin and Martin had one good month offensively last season-September.

  22. blake November 10th, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    Evening all….Heathcott playing in AFL game on MLBN

  23. blake November 10th, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    And as soon as I mention Heathcott he drops a fly ball

  24. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    I still think there’s a chance we’ll get Upton but we must secure our Pitching first by re-upping Kuroda and Pettitte.

    The sooner we can do that the better our chances are to land Upton.

    A good 2ndary target would be Gordon.

  25. luis November 10th, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    Good evening guys,

    I read Chad posts of the day and read some of the posts. First thing that caught my eye were the words of Cashman about Martin. They don’t seem to be learning from their mistakes. I think we are stuck with Martin for the forseeable future, YIKES!. IMO, he is a BUC, we can put almost anyone to do that job. Not to mention the hit in payroll flexibility that we will get as result of signing him. SMH.

    Liked the ranking of BA. YF, if you are around, I liked the prospect breakdown you gave and why they are not interchangeable.

    Kuroda’s rejection of the QO is a bummer and does impact how they go around during the winter. I still think that he either goes back to Japan or plays for us, but for around 16 mil.

  26. Yankee Trader November 10th, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    I don’t even think Jeff Keppinger would fit in the Yankee plans. Probably would want 2 years and more money.

    Omar Vizquel, Barry Bonds?
    Maybe Girardi or Pena will be our backup catcher on some days!

  27. blake November 10th, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    I think the Yanks could put together a package to maybe make a run at Upton but nothing really suggests that they will…..They probably think the offense is fine anyway so no urgency

  28. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    Blake-

    If you had to trade one of Heathcott or Williams which one would it be ?

  29. blake November 10th, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    “If you had to trade one of Heathcott or Williams which one would it be ?”

    Probably Hearhcott just because of the injuries….though I like them both enough that Id trade whichever one got me the return I wanted ….Hearhcott might have better tools

  30. Yankee Trader November 10th, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    Blake-

    I’ll put together a package for Justin Upton that might entice Kevin Towers, but will create more holes because the 4-1 will be cheaper major league players,

    Gardner, Nunez, Robertson and Phelps.

  31. luis November 10th, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    Shame,

    But we are getting back Russel “Munson” Martin back!!… Probably at 10 mil per, for 3 years!… Quite a bargain. :roll:

  32. blake November 10th, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    “Gardner, Nunez, Robertson and Phelps.”

    That’s a lot of big league players to give…..Id consider doing that though to be honest…..you get Upton and keep all your best prospects….Robertson would hurt the most to lose

  33. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    Blake-

    That’s interesting.

    I was expecting you would say you were keeping Williams w/o question.

    One of them could be traded. Question is which one ?

    Do you think either of them will have enough pop to be a corner guy ?

    Even at that we have Austin or Flores for the corners.

  34. austinmac November 10th, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    Just saw the new Bond movie. It was very good. Action, humor and some good traditional Bond stuff. Highly recommend it if you are a fan. It was one of the best.

  35. Yankee Trader November 10th, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    Luis-

    Hi. Maybe Martin then could be at least helpful in recruiting his longtime pitcher friend Kuroda to come back.

  36. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    Mac-

    I like Craig as Bond. Thanks for the review.

  37. ron November 10th, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    Everybody is too caught up in thinking the yankees are doomed because of the 189.
    They still have a big advantage because almost all the other teams won’t come close to the 189,and most teams won’t give a qo to players.
    We will get probably 3 additional picks,in addition to the draft.

    We need to trade cano while his value is at it’s peak.
    Granderson also.
    Sort of like rebuilding with the power to spend in fa til the right player comes along.
    I’d trade him for 3 top prospects,or 3 ml,younger players.

    Then get rid of arod,at all cost.
    I can live with 4 more years of cc,and tex.
    Even if cano gets us a top pitching prospect,and a player like olt,i’m ok with it,and i think he can.
    Then trade granderson for a 2b.
    Then sign a fa,or two,and then swing a trade.

    A lot of moving parts,but i’d start with moving arod,then trading cano,and granderson.

  38. austinmac November 10th, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    I’ve been telling you all along how bad things were going to get. I just listened to Cashman. Every move will be made with money and 2014 in mind as paramount. Try getting a good player under that limitation.

  39. Yankee Trader November 10th, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    Austinmac-

    The movie got great reviews. 163 minutes of action?

  40. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    YT-

    I do not think it would take that particular combo to get Upton.

    It will definitely take a Picther like Hughes, Nova, or Phelps but I don’t think we need to yield the others.

    We can substitute other parts.

    Nunez might be needed.

    Not going to surrender D-Rob and GGBG.

  41. blake November 10th, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    “Do you think either of them will have enough pop to be a corner guy ?”

    Maybe Hearhcott….they both are CFers though I think and mason is a potential plus one. I like them both….mason seems to have more polish and is less likely to kill himself on the field

  42. blake November 10th, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    Craig is awesome in everything pretty much.

  43. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    Mac-

    That is why I said trading is the way forward.

    Or just waiting for the Farm which is riskier.

  44. blake November 10th, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    Slade definitely plays with some swag…..he just lasered a 3-2 breaking ball down the line for a double …..he’s an exciting player

  45. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    Blake-

    Definitely has the best name.

    :)

  46. austinmac November 10th, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    Action the entire way. Tense before the movie title.

    Heathcott just hit a double on a 3-2 slider. I’m trying to think who his swing reminds me of. It looked pretty good.

  47. luis November 10th, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    Trader,

    That’s a good way of looking at things! ;) I sure hope that Kuroda comes back for one more year.

    Mac,

    Big fan of Bond….I am planning to see it tomorrow with my daughters..

  48. blake November 10th, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    “Heathcott just hit a double on a 3-2 slider. I’m trying to think who his swing reminds me of. It looked pretty good.”

    Kinda saw a little Markakis maybe? I like him….high energy….big tools….plays hard….just has to stay healthy

  49. luis November 10th, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    MTU November 10th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
    Mac-

    That is why I said trading is the way forward.

    Or just waiting for the Farm which is riskier.

    =================================

    Might be riskier, but that’s the only way to build a core… Otherwise, we are looking at another long drought, like the 80′s and early 90′s…. Building from within is the way to go…We as fans need to be more patient… The probem is that management talks the talk, but hardly walks the walk….

  50. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if all of the guys who are playing in the AFL league are being showcased for future trades.

    ;)

  51. blake November 10th, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    Rank the Bonds:

    1. Connery
    2. Craig
    3. Moore
    4. brosnan
    5. dalton

  52. blake November 10th, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    Adams is up

  53. blake November 10th, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    Lined out hard to CF….hit it right on the screws

  54. austinmac November 10th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    He finishes with one hand a bit bent over. Short to the ball, which is the critical thing.

  55. luis November 10th, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    blake November 10th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
    Rank the Bonds:

    1. Connery
    2. Craig
    3. Moore
    4. brosnan
    5. dalton

    ===============================

    1 Moore
    2 Connery
    3 Brosnan
    4 Craig
    5 Dalton
    6 The guy that played only one movie, got married and the wife died ” On her Majesty service” or something along those lines.

  56. austinmac November 10th, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    Luis,

    Let me know how you like the movie. My wife liked it too.

  57. luis November 10th, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    austinmac November 10th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
    Luis,

    Let me know how you like the movie. My wife liked it too.

    ================================

    Will do ;)

  58. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    Luis-

    I’m not advocating trading all of our Farm guys. Far from it.

    The Yankees need to decide who are keepers and who are fungible.

    The ones who are fungible should be made available in trades to acquire other needs.

    If you believe that the Yankees can’t even self-scout then they are really in a lot of trouble.

    Over-hugging prospects is as dangerous as under-hugging them.

    That core was miraculous. It’s highly unlikely to ever be reproduced. to that extent.

    It took great skill and even greater luck.

    Since the Yankees will not give multi-year deals they will be forced to trade to improve, or just rely on stopgaps and hope that the Farm yields enough.

    I have no problem w patience but no Farm system is designed to produce all of the Parent clubs needs. Certainly not for the Yankees.

  59. Yankee Trader November 10th, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    Rank the Bonds:

    Connery
    Craig
    Brosman
    Moore
    Dalton
    Barry
    Bobby

  60. blake November 10th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    I don’t even count those other dudes as bonds….Connery has to be #1 for me then Craig number 2 simply because he could beat the crap out of the others and he’s awesome.

  61. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    Mac-

    Does Heathcott’s swing remind you of Utley’s ? He is very compact and short to the ball.

    I’m not watching just wondered if you see a comparison there.

  62. Yankee Trader November 10th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    MTU-

    Just turned on the AFL game. Behind homeplate the seats are barren except for one scout who looks like he’s wearing a Royals jacket.

  63. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    Yt-

    That’s sufficient.

    ;)

  64. blake November 10th, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    I didn’t really like the Brosnan era much….they were ok (Goldeneye was good) but those movies were kinda hokie to me…..they were kinda like the first run of batman movies…..then Craig came along and gave us the Christopher Nolan like serious version of Bond and it made the earlier ones seem kinda silly……

  65. blake November 10th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    “Does Heathcott’s swing remind you of Utley’s ? He is very compact and short to the ball.”

    A little yea…..he is pretty short ….I like his swing

  66. blake November 10th, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    Boy the defense is shaky in this game

  67. luis November 10th, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    MTU November 10th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
    Luis-

    I’m not advocating trading all of our Farm guys. Far from it.

    The Yankees need to decide who are keepers and who are fungible.

    The ones who are fungible should be made available in trades to acquire other needs.

    If you believe that the Yankees can’t even self-scout then they are really in a lot of trouble.

    Over-hugging prospects is as dangerous as under-hugging them.

    That core was miraculous. It’s highly unlikely to ever be reproduced. to that extent.

    It took great skill and even greater luck.

    Since the Yankees will not give multi-year deals they will be forced to trade to improve, or just rely on stopgaps and hope that the Farm yields enough.

    I have no problem w patience but no Farm system is designed to produce all of the Parent clubs needs. Certainly not for the Yankees.

    ======================================

    I agree that it is very unlikely that we get another core like the one that is leaving. I mean two HOFer ( Mo and Jeter ), one that should be a HOFer ( Posada ) and two just one step down ( Bernie and Pettitte ) is very hard if not impossible to replicate in this times.

    I don’t trust their evaluations.Heck, the guys are still talking up Martin!. So they would probably trade the wrong ones.

    I agree that you keep the good ones and trade the others to fill the team needs. The problem I have is that we are several players away from a championship caliber team. Also, even though you are spot on in that the core is not all a baseball team needs, it is it’s soul. The problem with the teams of the 80′s is that they were all hired guns, with the sole exception of Donnie. So they went nowhere. FA’s or trades are to compliment the core, not to build it. We have no core right now, or what’s left of it, is very old

  68. blake November 10th, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    Adams is at 3B tonight….has he been moved there full time now?

  69. rm November 10th, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    Relax everybody the Yankees had the best record in the AL this year and they will probably have the best record in the AL next year. Let Cashman perform his magic. The Yankees will have a deep well balanced team like in 2013. Thats what Cashman does best.

    They will probably try very hard to get under $189 Million limit but they don’t always tell the truth about this sort of thing so it could end up being a trick if the right player becomes available. If they can get the right package for Cano and/or Granderson they might consider it but i don’t see them desperately trying to move either one of them. They could choose to get under 189 Million by buying out A-Rod but that would be very expensive. I don’t beleive anybody else would pick up that contract.

  70. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    Sir Ian Fleming was a UK national treasure.

    :)

  71. I Am Winning November 10th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    “Yankees top talent comes near the bottom of the system”

    That’s been the case from the past decade. Prospects that are successful into double or triple A either don’t ultimately work out, or get traded away. Rarely, do they make it through. That’s basically a nice way of saying the Yankees don’t have a good farm system. Which is obvious because they get the last licks.

  72. Jerkface November 10th, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    They could choose to get under 189 Million by buying out A-Rod but that would be very expensive

    No they can’t. If they buy out A-rod he still counts against the luxury limit as his contract stipulates. He just wouldn’t be on the team anymore.

  73. blake November 10th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    Hearhcott walks and steals 2nd

  74. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    Luis-

    I must not be communicating well.

    As I said I am NOT advocating trading our entire Farm system Willy Nilly.

    I say keep the guys who are special and use them to help build future teams.

    That does not mean all of them. The rest get traded.

    Trades and FA’s should always be used to supplement as you point out.

    Right now quality FA’s are sparse because the Yankees only want to offer 1 yr deals.

    The trade route is therefore the best way to improve for the next couple of years till the remaining Farm guys are ready.

    I do not blame you for your skepticism regarding the Yankees evaluations. I share some of your concern.

    That said I still can’t see them holding the majority of them.

    That might be equally as foolhardy.

    You just have to hope they improve their self-scouting if that’s your beef.

  75. blake November 10th, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    Heathcott steals 3rd and scores on a bad throw…..

  76. blake November 10th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    Man I wish this kid was ready cause he could breathe some life into a lineup of old guys

  77. luis November 10th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    Blake,

    I liked Moore, because he always made me laugh. And the opening scenes were the best. I still rave about the one in ” The spy who loved me”…The guy skis to a cliff and suddenly when you think is over, dang! a parachute with the flag! I remember the whole theater erupting at it!

    Craig is good , but he is too serious for me. Connery is the original. Dalton the worst by far

  78. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    Blake-

    For now you are going to have to settle for GGBG and Nunez.

  79. blake November 10th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    Adams Ks

    Verducco just said that this guys throws a breaking ball that breaks up….now that’d be a trick !

  80. Yankee Trader November 10th, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    JF-

    Thanks for jumping in and answering the buy out option that doesn’t work. You beat me to the punch.I believe the only way to get the remainder of the entire contract off the books for AAV/LT purposes is to get him to retire. Offer him a limited partnership in the Yankees.

    That would work?

    Certainly will be interesting if ARod gets off to a bad start in front of the crowds at YS.

    Heathcott looks like a keeper. Push him thru the system quickly and bring him up sometime this coming season to replace Dickerson or Mesa, whoever they put out in right.

  81. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    Luis-

    That’s what makes the world go round I guess.

    I couldn’t stand Moore as Bond.

    One of the worst IMO.

  82. blake November 10th, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    “The guy skis to a cliff and suddenly when you think is over, dang! a parachute with the flag! I remember the whole theater erupting at it!”

    Yea….I just remember how bad the CG or whatever was in that seen…..I guess I like my bonds more serious….Moore was funny though

  83. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    Blake, since the switch to 3B, with Trenton, Adam’s has been solely playing 3rd when he isn’t getting a DH day. In AFL, he’s had to share 3rd, so has played some games at 2B.

  84. rm November 10th, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    Jerkface November 10th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
    They could choose to get under 189 Million by buying out A-Rod but that would be very expensive

    No they can’t. If they buy out A-rod he still counts against the luxury limit as his contract stipulates. He just wouldn’t be on the team anymore.
    ———————————————————-

    I think they can make a huge lumpsum payment for something a little less than the total owed and count it all as salary for 2013 and pay the luxury tax on it and have no luxury tax liabilty fo ARod on 2014. It probably won’t save them much money and they would lose a pretty good third baseman but I think they are allowed to do that if they want to.
    I

  85. RMS November 10th, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    Someone, tell me again why the Yankees won’t sign Melky. He won’t cost a lot of money, may sign for 1 year. Can switch hit, field, and throw. Had some clutch hits with the Yankees. And is 28. Or is that too young for the Yanks?

  86. Yankee Trader November 10th, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    Blake-

    That was a submarine pitcher. While the ball rises out of his hand, Newton’s law still holds true-no breaking up! :)

  87. luis November 10th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    MTU,

    You did communicate very well. You always do my friend. I just don’t feel comfortable trading prospects with this FO handling it. Because they don’t know who are the keepers. In the Tigers series we had a very good example of not having patience and going for the quick fix. What stark contrast between Grandy and Austin huh?

    I think their are starting to recognize that there is a problem. ( Connors and Contreras exit and Patterson entrance seem to point in that direction ). I think YF made a very good breakdown on why they are not mostly interchangeable.

  88. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    If you thought they would both stay healthy, you could trade one of Heathcott-Mason because they both profile as CF. Heathcott gives you a bit more pop and also traditionally has walked and K’ed more, but Mason as he gets stronger may surprise. He did have 11 HR last season, and he is a dynamic player and a very good defender. And while Heathcott has the mentality of a linebacker, Mason is pretty aggressive as well; he did hurt his shoulder diving for a ball, although I wouldn’t say he’s reckless like Heathcott can be.

    Neither profile as corners, but neither does Gardner. It would depend on what else you have in the OF. But I could see one of Heathcott-Mason in CF, with Austin out there in RF. Not sure about Flores’ D in our LF… But again like his bat a lot. Interested to see if he shows the pop I saw in the sss at Trenton.

  89. Jerkface November 10th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    I think they can make a huge lumpsum payment for something a little less than the total owed and count it all as salary for 2013 and pay the luxury tax on it and have no luxury tax liabilty fo ARod on 2014. It probably won’t save them much money and they would lose a pretty good third baseman but I think they are allowed to do that if they want to.

    No, they can’t, and even if they could why would they? They are trying to save 50 million and you’d have them drop 150 million on 1 player in 1 season. Its ludicrous. At any rate, the CBA says no.

  90. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Here’s my new Motto w respect to Farm guys, “Save the best. Trade the rest.”

    Have a good rest of your evening.

    :)

  91. blake November 10th, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    YF,

    Thanks…maybe they think he can take over for Arod if need be….

    I really hope they are aggressive and start Austin and slade at Trenton…..Heathcott doesn’t look that far away to me….physically he’s ready ….just needs a little more experience and more ABs vs upper
    Level pitching but he’s getting close

  92. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    Thanks, Luis. I don’t see them as interchangeable, maybe Mason with Heathcott as CF’s, but Austin and Flores, not CF’s and not similar. Ditto, the 3 catchers. Sanchez is in another stratosphere as a special bat compared to Romine’s and JR’s.

  93. Yankee Trader November 10th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    RMS-

    The Yankees would probably be outbid for Cabrera’s services.

    At least five teams have expressed interest in free agent outfielder Melky Cabrera, reports Joel Sherman of The New York Post
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#AdfmAILuYwv0H3yY.99

  94. luis November 10th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    MTU November 10th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
    Luis-

    That’s what makes the world go round I guess.

    I couldn’t stand Moore as Bond.

    One of the worst IMO.

    ======================

    LOL! This is what makes the world so especial my friend ;)

  95. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    Blake, I think they made that move for insurance for sure. I could see both at Trenton early if not immediately. With Austin, I’d guess it depends on his ankle, and tyanks thought they might at least start Austin at Tampa, but he could return to Trenton quickly. I think Heathcott might start at Trenton. He looks ready to me.

  96. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Luis-

    I never said those guys were interchangeable.

    What I meant was that where we have multiple good options some should be offered.

    YF just made my point a moment ago.

    If you have a Heathcott and a Williams and both profile as CF types and both are good you can consider moving one in the right deal.

    What if one was needed in a package to secure Upton for example ?

    Surely you do that.

    That’s the kind of thing I meant.

    There may be other areas of duplication as well.

  97. blake November 10th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Arod has to retire or they have to get a team to take his contract….otherwise there is no real way out

  98. blake November 10th, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    “I think Heathcott might start at Trenton. He looks ready to me.”

    He’s physically ready….I like his swing….like his energy….he’s a potential real impact guy….I hope he can stay healthy

  99. tucker November 10th, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Yankee Trader says:
    November 10, 2012 at 8:58 pm
    MTU-

    Just turned on the AFL game. Behind homeplate the seats are barren except for one scout who looks like he’s wearing a Royals jacket.
    Xxxxxxxx

    That’s the beauty of these games. Cost about $7 and all you see are scouts, baseball people and family members/spouses/girlfriends of the players.

    Game I went to last year, Walt Jocketty and Dusty Baker were sitting a couple of seats behind me … It’s a really cool experience for a baseball nut …

  100. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    RMS, Melky is a bad influence on Cano, dontcha know?
    And… he would sully the Yankee brand because of his suspension/immoral behavior. :roll:

  101. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    YF-

    If you want to make Sanchez untouchable (which I can understand) then you need to make a Romine or Murphy available.

    That’s the kind of thing I meant.

    Keep the best. Move the rest.

  102. Yankee Trader November 10th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    To add to JF’s comment the Yankees couldn’t even avoid the LT hit if they paid the rest due over 50 years.

    Remember this payout for Bobby Bonilla?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....-Mets.html

  103. luis November 10th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    YF,

    Saw Flores play down here a couple of times….He has a very good approach at the plate, even for his age…I think the power will be there

  104. austinmac November 10th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    I didn’t much like Moore either. He was too much a pretty boy. Connery and Bonds both look like
    They had been ann a couple of fights.

    These AFL guys know the game in on TV. Heathcott is making his case he is a real prospect.

  105. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    tucker, QFT, about the scouts and baseball people. Love MiLB.

  106. Jerkface November 10th, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    As Blake said, the only way the Yankees get out from under A-rod’s contract in a non horrific fashion is if he retires or they trick someone into taking it on.

  107. blake November 10th, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    They described Heathcott as a cross between Brett Gardner and Josh Hamilton…..Id take that

  108. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    Blake-

    That sounds a little over the top.

    Maybe more like GGBG w. some pop.

    ;)

  109. rm November 10th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    Jerkface November 10th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
    I think they can make a huge lumpsum payment for something a little less than the total owed and count it all as salary for 2013 and pay the luxury tax on it and have no luxury tax liabilty fo ARod on 2014. It probably won’t save them much money and they would lose a pretty good third baseman but I think they are allowed to do that if they want to.

    No, they can’t, and even if they could why would they? They are trying to save 50 million and you’d have them drop 150 million on 1 player in 1 season. Its ludicrous. At any rate, the CBA says no.

    ————————————

    I agree it makes little or no sense but unless they just want to get the bad debt off the ledger and move forward. But I think they can do it. I can’t find the language in the player’s agreement regarding buyouts. Do you have a link to that part of the agreement handy?

  110. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    luis, the power Flores showed in AA was unexpected, compared to what he did in A. He was killing the ball even on outs.

  111. blake November 10th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    If the Dodgers sign Hunter I do wonder if a Arod for Ethier deal could be done? Probably not but the dodgers are crazy and they need a 3B and seem kinda put out with Andre…..Ethier has his warts but he’s fairly young and he does mash RHP…

  112. blake November 10th, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    MTU,

    Maybe a Grady Sizemore type ceiling (without the injuries). That might be optimistic but he’s got all 5 tools

  113. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Heathcott has a lot more talent than Gardner. There’s no comparison. He can be his own worst enemy. He just needs to stay healthy.

  114. luis November 10th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    MTU,

    What happens if they move the wrong prospect? or What happens if Upton tanks? You would have paid a very high prize both in prospects and treasure. What I would do is what G Love suggested a while back ( The Hamilton route ). And if not, I rather have a two or three year rebuilding period. For me, the core is the single most important part of a team. And it has to be homegrown for sustained success. I want to see both of those players competing for a job at the bigs.

    YF said that aside from that case there weren’t that many players overlapping each other.

  115. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Blake-

    That’s more like it. He’s no Josh Hamilton. No Knock. How many guys are ?

    :)

  116. blake November 10th, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    ..you can decide to just pay players to stay home if dont want them clogging up a roster spot anymore but you still have to pay them and it still counts towards the luxury tax

  117. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    Luis-

    I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree this time.

    I do not want to go that route.

    I believe some guys are designned to be traded for other needs.

    It that simple for me.

    I do hope they keep the best.

  118. blake November 10th, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    “That’s more like it. He’s no Josh Hamilton. No Knock. How many guys are ?”

    Raw tools…..not many ever

  119. ron November 10th, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    I can’t wait to see heathcott in the majors.
    He is going to suprise a lot of people,if he can stay healthy.
    Heathcott,and williams in the of with adams,montgomery,campos,banuelos,and more is exciting.
    This is why i’m not affraid to trade cano,and granderson,in addition to our minor league system,draft picks,free agency,a trade,or two,i think we can build a powerhouse for years to come.

    Stop getting caught up with allstars at every position,and losing cano’s bat.
    Cano is 30 years old,and with an excetion of a few more good tears,cano will decline,and i’d rather not be paying him 23 million a year,and have another arod.

  120. luis November 10th, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    YF,

    I understand that Trenton is a big park as well. Right? So Flores power has to be real

  121. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    luis, agree about Flores’s approach. He has very good plate discipline and pitch recognition. I’d love to add a player that hits for average, especially if he could develop some pop. An Abreu type.

  122. tucker November 10th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    The thing about Heathcott, he has a slump-proof swing. I know you guys mentioned before, but he is quick to the ball.

    Keith Law mentioned that he does not fire his hips enough to generate power.

  123. blake November 10th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    Maybe Montgomery will pitch tonight

  124. RMS November 10th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    If you want to see an empty Yankee Stadium, go with a 1 or 2 yr. rebuilding period.
    If the Yankees ain’t winning, fans ain’t paying.

  125. rm November 10th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    Jerkface,

    My appologoes it looks like you are correct (as usual) here is what the players agreement says:

    (ii) If a Club terminates a multi-year Uniform Player’s Contract
    while it remains obligated to pay Salary under either this
    Agreement or a Special Covenant to the Contract, Salary shall be
    allocated to that Club for each Contract Year during which its
    obligation continues. Salary shall be attributed to each such Contract
    Year pursuant to this Article XXIII (subject to any offsetcalled for by this Agreement or a Special Covenant). This attribution shall apply even if the Club pays the Salary in advance

  126. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    Well, a cross between doesn’t = Josh Hamilton, I’m afraid…

  127. Yankee Trader November 10th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    Blake-

    Doubt ARod is movable, but if he has a bad start in 2013, maybe he’ll beg to get out of NY,and waive his NT.

    Goodnight all. Maybe by next Saturday, we’ll have Rivera, and Kuroda back and a commitment from Pettitte at least.

  128. blake November 10th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    He does look like Hamilton lite in the box

  129. luis November 10th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    MTU,

    Won’t be the first nor the last my friend. ;) You know that I am on the hugger side… I wish I would have lived in the 40′s and 50′s and see those wonderful Yankee teams with all home grown stars. Different times, I know.

    YF,

    I saw him once on tv and another I went to see a La Guaira- Aragua game ( I root for Caracas ). He is fast, has quick hands and a very short but powerful stroke. He drove a couple of very deep line drives and the “Universitario” is not a small park.

  130. Jerkface November 10th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    RM,

    The only way they can do what you are suggesting is if they restructured his contract. A-rod would probably ask for the remainder of his deal + bonuses. So you’d move from a 10 year / 275 deal to a 6 year 299 deal. The AAV of the deal would become 49.85. Due to the restructuring the Yankees would have to count back payroll for the new AAV for the difference between 49.85 and the 27.5 they actually counted the previous 5 years. Thats 22.3 million for 5 years applying to 2013, in addition to the 1 year 49.85 AAV value for 2013. Thats 161.5 million counting for 1 player for 1 year. If they pay the tax rate for 2013 on that amount it means they would pay, for a single season, 242 million which is almost the same amount they would have paid over 10 years for A-rod.

    Long story short, not happening!

  131. luis November 10th, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    Good night Trader! By the way, I do like your imput as well ;)

  132. mick November 10th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    RMS, Melky is a bad influence on Cano, dontcha know?
    =====================
    Do you know for a fact, he wasn’t?

  133. blake November 10th, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    Just restructure Alex’s contract into a one year 114 million dollar contract…..the 2013 payroll would be like 300 million but he’d be off the books for 2014!!!

  134. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    YF-

    If you want to make Sanchez untouchable (which I can understand) then you need to make a Romine or Murphy available.

    That’s the kind of thing I meant.

    Keep the best. Move the rest.
    ——
    MTU, I understand. But Romine is close, so they likely will want to keep him as insurance, assuming he is healthy, esp. b/c they like his D. JR especially based on his 2012 stats won’t have enough value to deal and Yanks like his D better than Sanchez’s and I think believe in his bat… Meanwhile the Yanks probably don’t yet trust Sanchez to catch, in spite of the uber bat so… For an Upton quality player even in a package, I doubt Romine or JR cut it as trade chips. More on the level of a Sanchez, Mason, other top 5′s or as Arizona appears to want MLB ready players. JMO.

  135. luis November 10th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    RMS,

    Rebuilding in our case doesn’t mean not being competitive. Also, if there is a clear plan, I am sure that most true fans would go and see their baby Yankees taking their first steps… There is nothing I enjoy the most than seeing young kids making the club… I once was a staunch supporter of Cashman, mainly because I thought that he would go the Michaels way

  136. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Luis, it’ll be fun to watch him in Trenton this year.

  137. jacksquat November 10th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    MTU November 10th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
    Here’s my new Motto w respect to Farm guys, “Save the best. Trade the rest.”

    Have a good rest of your evening.

    Problem is “the rest” aren’t as good and don’t get you much in a trade. Other teams pretty much know who our best are too.

  138. blake November 10th, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    Great piece of hitting by Adams driving a ball in the right center gap for a triple….like his swing too

  139. tucker November 10th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    Cano will be in full-fledged contract drive mode this next year. I don’t think he’ll allow Melky to distract him. Melky, too, will be looking to redeem himself. I don’t think motivation will be a problem for either in 2013.

  140. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Blake, Heathcott as Grady Sizemore works for me. Hopefully we do see Montgomery; he hasn’t put he’d in 3 days. Burawa and Betances both pitched yesterday.

  141. luis November 10th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Blake,

    Yup…. I know not many think this as a real possibility….But I would give Adams the chance to win the 3B job and move Arod to DH

  142. jacksquat November 10th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Tyler Austin owned A ball, no reason for him to return there. Heathcott also played very well, I would start him in AA as well. Flores too. OF’s really can move faster than any other position. Mason starts in Tampa, hopefully plays well enough to move up sometime during the season, hopefully when one of the other 3 are ready to go up to AAA.

  143. blake November 10th, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    “Yup…. I know not many think this as a real possibility….But I would give Adams the chance to win the 3B job and move Arod to DH”

    He can hit….if they can’t find a legit RH DH bat then it’s be nice to at least have Adams up to play 3B against lefties so Alex could DH.

    If they could find a taker for Arod then they may would have to just give Adams a shot given it’ll be tough to find a decent big league option

  144. luis November 10th, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    Well, I bid you all a very good night

  145. rm November 10th, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    Jerkface,

  146. blake November 10th, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    Melky is probably the Yankees best chance to replace Swisher’s production for the money they want to spend…..but they won’t sign him

  147. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    JS, Austin going back to Tampa to start was rooted from a Tampa insider. I’d expect him to be back at AA as well. Ditto, Flores and likely Heathcott would start at AA.

  148. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    *rumored

    Also not sure what the issue was with the ankle but sounded like some issue they hopefully isn’t chronic.

  149. rm November 10th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    Jerkface,
    I agree it is not happening. Something like that might be considered if AROD was no longer a capable player but he is still one of the best 3rd basemen in baseball. He just isn’t anywhere near as good as his contract.

  150. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    Well, they have Adams playing 3B for a reason… We’ll see. ‘night, Luis!

  151. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    Sorry about iPhone typos.

  152. jacksquat November 10th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
    Well, they have Adams playing 3B for a reason…

    Maybe they would bring him up to back up 3B/2B, while Nunez backs up SS.

  153. jacksquat November 10th, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    You guys should turn off iphone autocorrect. The natural typos are easier to read than the iphone substitutions. :)

  154. jacksquat November 10th, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    How about a trade for Carlos Santana?

    2013 27 Cleveland Indians $550,000
    2014 28 Cleveland Indians $3,500,000
    2015 29 Cleveland Indians $6,000,000
    2016 30 Cleveland Indians $8,250,000
    2017 31 Cleveland Indians *$12,000,000 $12M Team Option, $1.2M Buyout

    http://www.baseball-reference......ypepad.com

  155. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    JS, let’s see if they like his D enough and think he gives them enough pop at 3rd. Iphone loves to turn Kuroda into Kurosawa… Obviously, this phone needs a baseball education, but it is starting to make the necessary adjustments.

    Where’s Santana going to play? The Yankees wouldn’t dare let him catch. He also mostly hits lefties. I’d rather have kept Montero.

    Montgomery looked a little rusty, but battled back.

  156. austinmac November 10th, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    Montgomery will have much more trouble,with lefties. His fastball looks only okay. His slider breaks a good bit and is sharp. He might need a change for lefties.

  157. UnKnown November 10th, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    Montgomery didn’t look as good tonight as he did in his last outing on MLB Network in that other showcase game.

    Heathcott is a a mad man. Just broke up a DP ball and earlier flattened the catcher. I love it. Then on his way back to the dugout he was jawing with someone from the other team. That’s some passion right there that I would love seeing in the Bronx someday.

    Injury though would be a huge concern. He plays baseball like Peterson runs in the NFL. High energy and just looking for contact at all times.

  158. jacksquat November 10th, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    Heathcott:

    http://www.perfectgame.org/ima.....souu17.jpg

  159. jacksquat November 10th, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    Dykstra:

    http://cdn1.sbnation.com/uploa....._352.0.jpg

    Spooky. :)

  160. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    Montgomery’s fastball is pretty good actually, but he sometimes has trouble locating it, which was the problem tonight; he was getting behind. So, he ended up mostly throwing FB to the lefties. He does have a change, which he has been working on. I just think he was a little off with the FB. Think he threw all FB’s and only one slider to the lefties. His lefty splits were actually very good in Trenton, better than vs. righties.

  161. yankeefeminista November 11th, 2012 at 12:02 am

    Sounds like Torii wants a multiyear deal. Good luck with that, and FWIW, mlbtr saying Japan is bigger threat to us than other mlb teams for Kuroda’s services…

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....-mets.html

  162. jacksquat November 11th, 2012 at 12:28 am

    The Yankees see Japan as a bigger threat.

  163. J. Alfred Prufrock November 11th, 2012 at 12:36 am

    Heathcott was on my untouchable list and I’ve always liked him. But one thing I worry about is how well he’d age. Not only is he a kamikaze with his own body, he looks kind of tightly wound physically. He’s toolsy, but doesn’t have the long limbs and ease of movement that Williams or a Ravel Santana has… always has that “flexed” look about him. Now, that could ultimately have nothing to do with being injury prone, but only in seeming… we’ll see. I certainly want us to keep him.

    When Montgomery’s on he’s really good at locating in and out with his fastball. He’s also been really good rectifying wayward command to get out of trouble he puts himself in. He didn’t have his great slider in tonight’s outing, either. In addition to the stuff, he really does seem to have that “tight rope walker” kind of mentality you need in relief.

    Hey YF, if you’re still out there, I’m loving all those Ks and the Ks/BB ratio from Dealin’. Just hope they aren’t getting any silly ideas about him being a reliever… Do you happen to know if he’s throwing his change at all?

  164. UnKnown November 11th, 2012 at 1:48 am

    Great take Pruf.

    I really liked what I saw out of Slade tonight. I will be following him more closely from this point on.

  165. NYY_Girl_Penny November 11th, 2012 at 2:28 am

    Face it, the yankees without George are going to destroy the most storied franchise in sports. Cashman and Hal need to find other jobs because they can’t figure it out. As a fan from a family of Yankee fans down the line not a single one of us are going to games next year if they keep this BS up.

    Damon,Abreiu,Matsui replaced by Swisher,Gardner,Granderson
    Posada replaced by Martin
    Giambi replaced by Tex (Giambi with a better glove) Can’t blame anyone but Tex here.
    DH nobody
    Arod – 10 year contract when nobody in their mind would go close to that

    Yankees are talking losing Cano because they are too cheap to own their mistakes ? Just think what flexibility we’d have if we were able to get rid of Arod, Granderson and Tex .. or even 2 of the 3 .

    Russell Minor league Martin the BUC .. we’d of been better off keeping Jose Molina, this guy is a total loser he really thought he should of been a first round draft pick and goes on record saying he couldn’t believe the rest of baseball thought he was a 35 round pick at best. LOL another guy who swings like he is barry bonds but with the talent of Bobby Bling.

    I am not happy at all right now and the future looks really bad!

  166. PacoDooley November 11th, 2012 at 5:07 am

    Jerkface November 10th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
    Barring some kind of amazing trade, this is shaping up to be the worst offseason.
    ————————————-

    Just wait until next year…

  167. PacoDooley November 11th, 2012 at 5:10 am

    jacksquat November 10th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
    So, they won’t sign anyone past 2013, except maybe Martin? What the hell do they plan to do in 2014, have a 120 mil paroll?
    —————————–

    More like $175m or whatever the ‘real’ salary threshold end up being (keep in mind that the total used for the threshold for the luxury tax includes more than just contracted salaries – I believe that there is at least $10m already lost to the fringe benefits associated with travel).

  168. blake November 11th, 2012 at 7:53 am

    The Yankees are stuck in position where they don’t want to spend any money ….don’t have the big league ready prospects they likely need to make the trades they could use….and don’t want to take chances on guys like Melky because of his baggage……so good luck with all that Cash

  169. blake November 11th, 2012 at 8:00 am

    The Yanks best chance at getting a decent RFer nex year might be to call up Ned Colletti and try to make an Arod/ Ethier deal…..they wouldn’t do it straight but maybe if the Yanks tossed in a pitcher they would……

    The Dodgers take all of Arods money and the Yanks throw in Phelps or nova……the Dodgers get a 3B and a pitcher that can go right in the rotation and the Yanks save some money and get a solid RFer to replace Swisher…..

    Ethier is owed 85 million…so that’s a saving of about 30 million plus the HR bonus stuff as well…..the dodgers probably wouldn’t do it but they are crazy do you never know

  170. blake November 11th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    You could platoon Adams and Chavez at 3B next year in that event…..doesn’t sound like you’re saving a lot but the way the AAV works out you’d really be saving 10.5 million a year in AAV towards the luxury tax…..which would be huge…..

  171. blake November 11th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Either way they probably need to either find a way to use Adams or trade him…. He’s 25 years old and doesn’t have a ton left to do in the minors…. He can hit and he can play 2 B and 3B

  172. blake November 11th, 2012 at 8:20 am

    It seems I’m talking to myself

  173. MTU November 11th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    Morning Blake

    You’re getting to be like me. Talkin’ to yourself.

    Can’t have you doin’ that.

    ;)

  174. 86w183 November 11th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    I suggest A-Rod and Ethier as a possible fit a couple of weeks back. The Dodgers are overcrowded in the OF and, for better or worse, A-Rod would be a draw for their new TV deal.

    Including Nunez and Luis Cruz in the deal would make sense for both sides. Gardner might interest them too since Victorino is a FA and they’d like to move Kemp to RF.

    Nunez, Gardner and A-rod for Ethier, Cruz and some minor leaguer?

  175. blake November 11th, 2012 at 8:28 am

    MTU,

    It’s a real cause for concern at my age ;)

  176. Madrugador November 11th, 2012 at 8:30 am

    Talking to yourself is ok. Fewer arguments that way.

  177. MTU November 11th, 2012 at 8:30 am

    Blake-

    I’ve stated my preference over and over again.

    My belief is that the way forward is thru trading for now.

    Other people believe we should be content to use stopgaps and wait for the Farm.

    They do not believe we have enough excess pieces to trade.

    I disagree with that view.

    I think relying on the Farm in large measure can be fool’s gold.

    I would always rather take a chance on a guy like Upton over almost any Farm guy.

    Same with Gordon.

    For me those guys are already better than any of our Farm guys are likely to be.

    The AL East is too competitive for the Yankees to be sitting on their hands.

  178. 86w183 November 11th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    How are you guys today?

  179. MTU November 11th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    Morning 86.

    What’s your view ?

    Run in place w. stopgaps, or use some of the Farm to trade ?

  180. MTU November 11th, 2012 at 8:39 am

    That said I can also see how some would question our self-scouting
    having traded away Jackson, Kennedy, and Montero.

  181. MTU November 11th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    I’ve taken over for Blake.

    :)

  182. MTU November 11th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    And at my age it’s no surprise.

    ;)

  183. Yankee Trader November 11th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    Good morning.

    I’ve been talking to myself all morning and haven’t been online.

    The Dodgers have been said to have interest in free agent outfielder Torii Hunter, but their level of interest may have been overstated, according to Dylan Hernandez and Mike DiGiovanna of the Los Angeles Times. The team met with Hunter’s agent at the GM meetings this week, but a source says that it was Hunter’s agent who initially reached out to the Dodgers, not the other way around. Since the Dodgers won’t move Andre Ethier, Hunter’s only possible role would be as a fourth outfielder and the veteran isn’t terribly interested in doing that. Hunter’s agent has also talked with the Tigers, Rays, Yankees, and Phillies and tells clubs that his client wants a multi-year contract.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#dQr7Yz32vhK3D5ig.99

  184. MTU November 11th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    If we do not get Kuroda and AP inked I do not think we’ll be in a good position to trade.

  185. MTU November 11th, 2012 at 8:51 am

    How bout you Trader ?

    You loyal to your name.

    ;)

  186. Yankee Trader November 11th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    MTU-

    Rank your major league, or major league trade chips. Pick only players with salaries below $5M.

    Then we can see what players might draw enough interest to get an Upton or similar young player-a corner OF bat.

    I’ll throw out some names from the major league tested players in no particular order:
    Pitchers:
    Robertson
    Nova
    Phelps
    Chamberlain
    Hughes-likely he’ll be > 5M though

    Position players:
    Nunez
    Gardner
    Romine

    There are only a handful of AAA payers that might interest a GM.

    Focus only on major league proven or ready trade chips.

  187. 86w183 November 11th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    I think you have to have a balanced approach, but I also believe you have to take some risks to accomplish what the Yanks are trying to accomplish — cost savings and competitive improvement.

    Melky is the perfect example of that kind of risk. sure, he could test positive again which would be an embarrassment, but he could also give you a .290 season with 15-20 HR, 15-20 SB and 75-90 RBI with solid defense. And he might do even better than that.

    Soria is another guy who appears to be affordable and worth taking a chance on.

  188. 86w183 November 11th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Yanks best trade chips — in order — limiting the list to low salaried players

    1. Ivan Nova
    2. David Robertson
    3. Brett Gardner
    4. David Phelps
    5. Joba Chamberlain
    6. David Adams
    7. Gary Sanchez
    8. Tyler Austin
    9. Adam Warren
    10. Mark Montgomery

  189. Yankee Trader November 11th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    Everyone-

    Do the Yankees have the “chips” to make a major deal IF the other team wants 2-3 major league proven players to get a corner OF bat-2 position players and one pitcher?

  190. blake November 11th, 2012 at 9:02 am

    A key for me in an Ethier and Arod deal would be that LA take most of not all of Alex’s contract…if they aren’t doing that then then benefit kinda goes out the window

  191. MTU November 11th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    86-

    I have never advocated gutting the entire Farm.

    There are definitely guys worth keeping.

    But not all. There is duplication and excess in some areas.

    It is from those areas that I advocate trading some Farm guys.

    YT-

    I disagree with you on this. I believe a combo of ML and high-end MiLB players would get you a lot, and interest many GM’s.

    Dog walk time. I’ll check back later for responses.

  192. Yankee Trader November 11th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    86w183-

    I agree with all but the ones that aren’t proven major league ready #’s 6,7,8,10.

    I’m Towers and I want 2 position players ready to fill a starting spot on my roster and one pitcher for Justin Upton.

    The Rays are dangling Hellickson, Shields, maybe Moore and an infielder, so far. Top that!

  193. blake November 11th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    It’s hard to rank trade chips because the Yanks don’t have a clear #1 like they did with Montero and it would just depend in what the team you’re dealing with needs…..

    To some teams the Yanks best chip might be either Hughes or Nova…..to others it might be Gardner or dRob…..

    There best chip is Robinson Cano…..but that’s another story

  194. Yankee Trader November 11th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    New Post————->

  195. andrewmelillo November 11th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    This makes me laugh how the yankee fans are crying about hal not spendind .arod text an cc contracts are more than 80 percent of the teams.if the yankees cant win with 185 mil then they need a new manager

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