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What did we learn from the GM Meetings?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 10, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Expectations were not high going in to this week’s General Managers Meetings. It’s still very early in the offseason, and Brian Cashman takes a patient approach to the winter. He left Indian Wells yesterday saying there was nothing — no trade, no signing — on the verge of happening.

“One thing I’ve learned over time is, if you’re impatient and you try to force an issue, it’s going to cost you whether it’s in terms of player talent, whether it’s in terms of financial dollars committed,” Cashman said. “If you feel desperate and you’re forcing something, then you’re going to have to significantly overpay in terms of player assets or dollars. I’ve learned that there’s always something coming around the corner. You can either project it, predict it, or it will surprise you. But there’s always something.”

Recognizing that it’s early, and acknowledging that we don’t have a ton of detail — so far — about the Yankees offseason plans, what did we actually learn during these GM Meetings? Here are five things.

Re-signing Hiroki Kuroda might not be easy
The qualifying offer was a bad deal for Kuroda. It wa a one-year deal at a decent raise from last season, but the market indicates he can get more. There are multiple teams interested, returning to Japan remains a possibility, and Kuroda is a tough guy to gauge. Of the nine players given a qualifying offer, only Kuroda seemed possible to accept, but as the week went on, it became clear he wouldn’t. And that leaves some nagging questions about the Yankees rotation depth. Cashman correctly points out that the rotation also looked bad at this time last year, yet the Yankees had an abundance of starters by the middle of March. There’s time to get it figured out, but if Kuroda once seemed like the easy addition, it’s clear now that he might not be so easy afterall.

There’s no easy way around the $189 million limit
More than a third of next year’s budget restriction is already tied up in Alex Rodriguez, Mark Teixeira and CC Sabathia. And it’s going to take another significant chunk to re-sign or replace Robinson Cano. The Yankees desire to lower payroll was an ongoing storyline this week, and that’s not likely to change. Every big name that signs elsewhere will carry some sort of weight with the Yankees. Would they have signed that player five years ago? Best way to deal with the restriction might be this one: Get all-around production from Teixeira again, get run production from Rodriguez again, and get another Cy Young-candidate season from Sabathia.

No easy way through the American League, either
The Rangers seem ready to spend. The Red Sox have dumped their bad contracts. The Blue Jays are aleady making some small moves and have some spending ability. The Orioles have been connected to the market’s top position player. The Rays and Tigers are among the teams with rumored interest in Justin Upton. Things are quiet with the Yankees. But things aren’t quiet everywhere.

Alex Rodriguez is not going to be traded
It was a brief rumor at the end of the postseason, but at this point, Cashman is going out of his way to dismiss the notion that he might actually trade Rodriguez. It’s just not going to happen. Rodriguez has said he’s not going anywhere, it seems next to impossible for Cashman to find a trade partner, and losing Rodriguez would only force the Yankees to spend even more money on a replacement. It just doesn’t add up, and Cashman is one to usually leave all options open. This option is one he’s shooting down time and time again.

The Yankees want Russell Martin back
They have Austin Romine playing in the Fall League, and they have a series of defensive backups, but it seems obvious that the Yankees want to re-sign Martin. Twice this week Cashman seemed to go out of his way to talk up Martin. “I’m a big fan of the player,” Cashman said on Wednesday. “Russell Martin is a helluva player, as far as I’m concerned,” Cashman said Thursday. Catcher is a tough position to fill, Romine’s no sure thing and Gary Sanchez is several years away. Cashman has talked about having to pick and choose where he spends, but it seems that he’s willing to spend behind the plate.

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75 Responses to “What did we learn from the GM Meetings?”

  1. yankee21 November 10th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    Repost:

    Cashman cannot let Kuroda walk over money. He is a proven #2 starter. They are fools is they let him walk.

    They also cannot let Cano and Granderson walk next year for draft picks. Either make up your collective damn minds about re-signing them or trade them to get useful pieces, preferably a near ML ready SS and 3B. Do not use the Reyes method of letting high end talent walk.

    Get a decision from the indecisive Andy for crying out loud. You have to know what your options are.

    Find a taker for Arod and go to Tex about agreeing to waive his NTC.

    That should just about do it.

    Oh one other thing Cashman, do not re-sign Martin for more than 1 year.

  2. yankee21 November 10th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    Reference Martin:

    What team wouldn’t be raving about an over-rated defensive catcher who hits .210 in over 500 plate appearances. Isn’t that what every team should drool over and seek to lock up long-term?

  3. austinmac November 10th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    In summary, other teams are trying to improve. The Yankees are trying to significantly reduce payroll and are getting significantly worse than the ugly looking team that ended last year.

    Tell me again Hal about being competitive. Heck the Astros competed every game. They just didn’t win.

    So, the Yankee season depends upon AROD and Tex to be the players they were four years ago. That, my friends, is laughable.

  4. austinmac November 10th, 2012 at 9:09 am

    To be= being

  5. Cashmoney November 10th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    “Russell Martin is a helluva player, as far as I’m concerned,” Cashman said Thursday.
    ———
    WTF is he talking about?

  6. Yankee Trader November 10th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    What Did I Learn from the GM Meetings?

    The Yankees will not pay one red cent toward the LT in 2014-actually by January 31st 2015 when it would be due. They are already in cost cutting mode this year looking to decrease their 2013 opening day payroll that was nearly 210M[per Cots].

    With so many holes to fill and the Yankees on an austerity budget, players are no longer clamoring to be a Yankee.

    Kuroda might be gone to a team that has a good chance to be in the playoffs and get to the WS, in his last year pitching in the states.

    Cano and Boras will not agree on an extension. He’ll enter the FA market and the Yankees will not get market worth back if he’s traded.

  7. yankee21 November 10th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    “Russell Martin is a helluva player, as far as I’m concerned,” Cashman said Thursday.

    “Brian Cashman is a helluva bad GM, as far as I’m concerned,” yankee21 said on Saturday.

  8. Cashmoney November 10th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    really good coverage Chad though little had happened… it seems Cashman is willing to spend on Martin.

  9. bobg November 10th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    I believe Kuroda will take a one year deal. He is posturing for more money from the Yankees. Also Martin did say he loves being a Yankee and a two year deal should wrap him up. Andy will be back as we all know. Right field will be the big mystery I believe.

  10. Yankee Trader November 10th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    Have to go.

    Have a great day.

    Maybe at least the Yankees will have a FA on board next week-Mo!

  11. G. Love November 10th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    austinmac,

    The problem is the Yankees are acting like they got 95 wins last season in a dominating fashion.

    Any sane fan watching this team know they peaked early and played bad for 1/2 the season offensively, if not more. The pitching kept us in it. The hitting almost sunk us until Ibanez stepped up.

    I think the Yankees are taking the “let’s enjoy our success in 2012″ slant when most of us look at last season as a major missed opportunity.

    Many of us, last off season, were saying if you’re not going to sign Swisher, trade him for someone younger and cheaper.

    Now we’re saying the same thing about guys like Grandy and Cano.

    The team is on one hand telling us “we have to cut payroll” and in the next hand not doing anything proactive to get there other than subtracting talent and replacing it with scrap heap players on short term deals.

    If you had traded Swisher for young 3b or OF last season, we’d have a cost controlled solution in place. Now we get a draft pick which is all well and good except the Yankees get a cap on what they can spend on the draft so they may not be able to afford to sign all these guys they draft at the top of the round next year. In fact, they may be forced to reach for players not worthy of the spot because they’ll sign cheaply.

    The whole strategy is messed up. It’s like having a mansion and saying, “we need new doors and windows but doors and windows are expensive, so let’s let the one’s we have fall off and fix them with old one’s ready to go from other houses instead of doing the work to find cheaper quality replacements”

    Cashman’s only doing his master’s bidding, but I always thought there was a a part of him that wants to burn this team down so he can attempt to raise it from the ashes. It never needed to come to that. Some shrewd trading and planning would have this team in a very different position. Ignoring Cespedes, Darvish, Chapman, etc. was one of the dumbest strategies the Yankees ever came up with.

  12. Cashmoney November 10th, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Ryu reminds me a lot of Wells in terms of stuff and size… but it looks like it would take upwards of 50-60 M in total dollars to sign him. JF, if you out there, I think he can be a 2or3. I think he has good command and good enough fb and secondary pitches to do well in MLB. I was impressed by his change up and his ability to locate mostly on the corner. He reminds me little of Igawa.

  13. bobg November 10th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    David Ross has signed two year contract with the Red Sox. That will definitely help Martin get back to the Yankees. Martin is a great catcher he works the pitchers very well. I feel he is a must get for two years till our rookies are Major league ready.

  14. austinmac November 10th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    GLove,

    We are amateur bloggers, and we could readily see for two years where this was headed. We talked about infusing the team with young talent at reasonable cost. If we could see it, how could they not.

    It is mystifying to watch this team sink. You may not be old enough to remember the end of the dynasty in 1965. The owners wanted to cut costs. They believed just being the Yankees would make them money. They let the team age. It took ten plus years and a new owner(thank you George) to have a team bearable to watch.

    This is not going to end well since the team believes they can add old, cheap players and convince the fans the team will be good. Sure, and Alex will be 30 again.

  15. yankee21 November 10th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    bobg:

    Martin throws out runners at a league average rate, commits an above average number of PB, and his pitch calling seems curious at times. What do you see in Martin that you consider him a great catcher and is a must get? I consider Martin a good defensive catcher, but not great.

    The standard for great catchers is Yadier Molina or Jose Molina when he was much, much younger.

    I agree NY does not have a starting catcher next year, so they do need one, I have no problem with Martin for 2013 if the cost is reasonable.

  16. blake November 10th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    The Phillies won 101 games in 2011 and ignored the age and injury risk in their lineup …..they missed the playoffs in 2012.

    Now you could say they had some misfortune and that’s true they did…..but it can happen in a flash and the Yanks has better not rest on their laurels pointing to those 95 wins last year…..the Red Sox will be better…. The blue jays may be healthier and the Orioles seem committed to staying around

  17. bobg November 10th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    My feelings are our pitchers were comfortable with Martin and why disrupt that for next season.Plus it will take a two year contract to get him to resign. We need a right hand bat for right field and a back up 1st baseman for when Tex gets hurt again. I know its not a popular statement but I think we will miss not having Swisher.

  18. G. Love November 10th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    austinmac,

    Not old enough to know much about that 65 team, but my Dad did fill me in. He told me lots of Yankees fans actually were stolen by the Mets during that period.

    The closest thing I can relate to was the Stump Merrill years. Those were ugly. I felt so bad for Donnie to be surrounded by some of those teams. The only good thing was you could walk up to the stadium and sit where you wanted for $20. Those days could be coming back if they’re not bold and shrewd about how they plan to go about this.

  19. blake November 10th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Ross contract with #RedSox is two years, $6.2M.

    Unreal

  20. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    I love the way Cash talks up Martin as the must have, and no one else. We had better not overpay on the overrated Martin and lose Kuroda. Our priorities have been and. Into he to be puzzling. But then Cashman compared Martin to Thurman. SMH.

    FYI, for those who have been asking, we finally have power back. Thanks for all the good thoughts! And keep sending them out to those who need them.

  21. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    *have been and continue to be* should read (iPhone miscorrection)

  22. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Bummer about the Sux getting Ross. :(

  23. yankee21 November 10th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Cashman seems incapable of planning ahead, and apparently there is nobody in the higher echelons that seem to be good at forward thinking either.

    Cashman has also proven incapable of putting in place a robust organization that ensures the right coaching, teaching and core philosophy are in place to create an environment in which a steady flow of talent can ascend to the major league level and fill needed roles. In the last 5-6 years, they have had three position players on this team that came up from the minor leagues that started any meaningful number of games; Gardner, Nunez and Cervelli. Pena started some games but mostly as a fill in.

    They have had two pitchers (Hughes and Nova) that have started regularly. Joba was s*** canned after not being an ace fast enough, he was deemed a failure as a starter and banished to the BP.

    Yes, NY finishes high in the standings every year so they don’t get access to top draft talent but by any objective measuring stick, NY success rate at developing prospects is bad.

    The problem is Hal is not engaged so he doesn’t care. Therefore Cashman continues to be at the helm making little to no thoughtful moves and putting this great franchise in a hole. Only when attendance will drop to NYM level and Yes revenues start sinking will Hal notice and take action.

    By then though, Jeter and Andy and Mo will be in the rear-view mirror.

  24. blake November 10th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Sox got Ross for like 3 million a year

  25. joeman November 10th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    the Yankees are in deep do..do…their hands are tied

  26. joeman November 10th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    only way they can make this team better and younger is to trade, FA’s are not a option at this point in time

  27. Cashmoney November 10th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    YF, glad you have your power back on…. And lauding your slight above average
    FA catcher does put Cashman in a good negotiating position in terms of dollars? Cashman is an incongruous moron.

  28. Cashmoney November 10th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    I’ve learned that there’s always something coming around the corner.
    ——–
    Is he talking about his psycho girlfriend?

  29. Cashmoney November 10th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    :) low blow but I love it :D

  30. joeman November 10th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    would sign A Pagan ..trade CG to fill some needs

  31. joeman November 10th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    have to believe the Braves would like to have CG..how about Pardo plus a SP

  32. blake November 10th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    November 10, 2012 at 10:09 am
    have to believe the Braves would like to have CG..how about Pardo plus a SP

    Prado is gonna play 3B for the Braves most likely….they trade him for Granderson and it just opens up another hole….they might would trade a pitcher for Grandy though

  33. yankee21 November 10th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    joeman; would sign A Pagan ..trade CG to fill some needs..

    The problem is how many years/$ does Pagan want and is he really worth it? To me he is an ideal 4th OF with good speed and defense but not good enough offense to man CF full time.

    I’m all for moving CG but I do not see Pagan as the solution. In fact I see BG as the solution in CF and for NY to find a corner OF.

  34. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    Get with the program kiddies.

    This is how Team Thrifty operates.

    They don’t buy new tires. They just keep patching up the old ones.

    Eventually the tread will just fall off.

    :(

  35. blake November 10th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    Really wish the Yanks could have gotten Ross then just let him split time with Romine….Ross is good enough to play every day if need be…..Cash asleep at the wheel on that one….a Ross/Romine tandem would have been good enough and will cost significantly less than Martin

  36. blake November 10th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    Ross is pretty much the best back up in baseball….he would have given them the security to give the keys to Romine and move on from Martin

  37. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Let’s keep the pressure on Cashman.

    I’m sure he reads LoHud first thing every morning.

    It must hurt to hear all the criticism.

    :)

  38. joeman November 10th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    yankee21 November 10th, 2012 at 10:14 am
    joeman; would sign A Pagan ..trade CG to fill some needs..

    The problem is how many years/$ does Pagan want and is he really worth it? To me he is an ideal 4th OF with good speed and defense but not good enough offense to man CF full time.

    I’m all for moving CG but I do not see Pagan as the solution. In fact I see BG as the solution in CF and for NY to find a corner OF.

    ———————————————-
    isn’t that what BG is a good Def with speed..AP is a better hitter

  39. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    Cashmoney, thanks! Good point about Cash driving up Martin’s price. But Cash speaks organically without forethought. And he’s probably proselytizing in order to sell Martin to the fan base b/c you know we are going to overpay for him on a multiyear contract.

  40. Cashmoney November 10th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    blake, it has nothing to do with Cashman asleep at wheel… It has a lot to do with the way he evaluate a player like Martin and his rigid adherence to a singular philosophy in constructing a team.

  41. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Watch it Blake-

    Cashman is gonna surprise you with a Houdini move.

    (I can dream can’t I ?).

    ;)

  42. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    MTU, I am sure Cashman is indeed a regular LoHud reader. So, feel free to school him and perhaps he’ll finally learn something. ;)

    And for the record, I am on Team Bat Speed.

  43. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    YF-

    Glad to hear you got your power back on finally.

    Did you chuck the boot yet ?

    Maybe it’s me who’s stuck in the past believing that the Yankees don’t like to settle for anything other than being # 1.

    I’m on Team younger-faster-multi-dimensional O.

    And Team trade-for-what-you-need.

    The Yankees seem ready to missout on numerous opportunities believing other will magically appear to replace them.

    They are on a cruise up an Egyptian river right now.

    ;)

  44. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    MTU, I wouldn’t be that surprised if Cash made a ninja move, as long is it was the right one. If it is a move to appease, look good in the short term, at the long term’s expense, I am of course against it. I can deal with a down year, if we preserve 2014 and the farm elite’s shot at new Yankee coredom. I trusted Cashman before the Montero trade, but he has severely tested my faith with his lack of understanding of the pitching injury matrix, BA, and adherence to Mike Fast catching doctrinaire. Cash needs to be more eclectic and less saber prescriptive in his approach.

  45. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    MTU, are mom and sis back home in EB?

  46. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    YF-

    Yup. And he needs to stop thinking he’s more clever than he is.

    ;)

  47. blake November 10th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    Cashman has traded his objective pipe for a denial pipe

  48. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    YF-

    Yup. Back in the lap of luxury. They have power, food, and heat.

    Thanks for asking.

  49. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    MTU, I’m on board if we would actually spend, but if we aren’t going to, please don’t waste the farm for short term solutions.

    Nope, still in the dang boot and on crutches, but hopefully, get to kick the boot to the curb midweek and progress to an air cast or better. :)

  50. blake November 10th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    If the Yankees will most likely give Martin the same deal he turned down last year if not more…..

  51. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    Blake-

    Breaking out of the Financial straightjacket is one tough trick.

    But guys like Ross, Keppinger, etc. show there are ways if you’re a good enough magician.

  52. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    blake, I heard it will be an ARod-like deal. Can’t let that one get away. Future mentor of young catchers’ framing technique. Imagine how he’ll help Sanchez improve his D.

  53. G. Love November 10th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    And for the record, if Swisher is only going to merit a 3 year deal in the 30-39 million range, the Yankees should resign him & Ichiro, put Gardner in CF and trade Granderson.

    I don’t love Swisher, but at those prices you have to bring him back.

  54. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    G Love, Melky is the answer; but we are too sanctimonious to realize it. He also will hit in the postseason. Unlike Swish.

  55. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    YT-

    I wanted Kuroda and AP secured early so Cashman would be free to explore his trade options.

    I am not suggesting gutting the Farm for marginal players.

    Merely suggesting trading from areas of excess to gain back in areas of need.

    Quality for quality only. Young for young. Like for like.

    If not we wait and hope the Farm guys pan out.

    Not looking to replace quality with retreads.

  56. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    MTU, good to hear. There’s no place like home. ;)

  57. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    YF-

    It’s been a rough stretch for so many, many people.

    My heart goes out to them.

    It’s 44 degrees out here this morning after being in the 70′s the day before.

    There’s snow on the Mountains.

    Brrrrrrr !

    When I head out to hike today I will be dressed in many layers.

    Let us know how you’re progressing.

  58. joeman November 10th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Whats with all the love for Gardner here…

  59. Tar November 10th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    If I sign Melky there is the added benefit of him screwing up Cano, thereby driving down his FA asking price. Making 189 more attainable. “Get Melky’s agent on the phone”.

    #thinkinglikecash

    :D

  60. The Return of Stoneburner November 10th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Nice job by David Adams – third homerun in a week – - – -

  61. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    MTU, agree, but where are areas of excess? Pitching? We needed all of them last year, and I thought you can never have enough pitching. ;) Who would you deal? I wouldn’t deal Hughes or Nova. I still think Nova can be a very good pitcher for us. Phelps? He was awfully valuable to us last year… Who do we have on the horizon if we sustain a major blow like we did to Andy this year? But we have put ourselves in an avoidable hole because he so badly misevaluated our offense. An offense that it was clear would not produce in the playoffs.

    MTU, weather in the East is going up to high 50′s-60′s for the next few days. It will be a salve for many. Have a great hike!

  62. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    *he = Cashman

  63. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Tar, everyone forgets that in 2006, Cano vied for the batting title and hit .342. Guess Melky was staying home with his mom that year, while Cano painted the town with Alex.

  64. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    YF-

    IMO if we secure Kuroda and AP we can afford to trade one of Hughes, Nova, or Phelps.

    Warren/Pineda are the BU’s.

    Also don’t believe we need to keep all of Williams, Austin, Flores, Santana, and Heathcott.

    Nor do we need all 3 of Romine, Murphy, and Sanchez.

    Corban Joseph or Adams ?

    See what I’m getting at ?

    You’re right that maybe we put ourselves in this position but we’re there. And it needs to be faced.

    I also understand your reluctance to fully trust our evaluations.

    But for me this seems to be the way forward in the absence of money to spend.

    Trading will be the best way to stop us from missing other opportunities and slipping into mediocrity.

    Waiting on the Farm is the other way. But I wouldn’t gamble too much on it.

    A young proven player is worth more than most any farm piece IMO.

    Apologies for the long post.

  65. jr1212 November 10th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    I know as a fan it sucks to hear that your team is not involve in any talk to acquire a player. But the offseason just started, all the bashing here is just amazing.

    Would David Ross been a nice backup? Yes, but the Yanks have three of those already (Cervelli, Stewart and Romine).
    Cashman has been really quiet recently. For some reason it makes me think he is up to something. Lets be patient and if nothing happens then we can crucify Cashman and the FO

  66. yankeefeminista November 10th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    Warren/Pineda are the BU’s.

    Also don’t believe we need to keep all of Williams, Austin, Flores, Santana, and Heathcott.

    Nor do we need all 3 of Romine, Murphy, and Sanchez.

    Corban Joseph or Adams ?

    ____
    MTU, I agree that we can trade excess, but it depends again on evaluations. I don’t see the above players as interchangeable. And FTR, I am not against trading prospects for young talented players, but you have to be careful.

    Of the OF’s, if Heathcott doesn’t stay healthy, which we won’t know, I wouldn’t want to trade Mason. Only those two have the ability to play CF, and play it exceptionally. CF is such an important position, that I would be loathe to trade either right now. Flores is a different type of player, a COF who hits for average and doesn’t have the athleticism or speed of the other two. Also he’d be a good bat for us, because he is a more selective hitter, more a Bobby Abreu type. But he doesn’t have the same ranking, so wouldn’t garner as much in a deal. Austin is more the prototypical COF with pop, so you really have only one of him. If you are getting a Justin Upton, then you could deal him, but otherwise, who is replacing Austin on the farm that is close? Ravel is such a question mark because of the layoff/ankle/maybe having lost a step. He wouldn’t garner much in a deal. More value right now to keep him. He is still in low A.

    As for catchers, Sanchez is so far above Romine and Murphy in terms of upside that you can’t say they are interchangeable. If you think Sanchez will catch, you have to keep him OR in my book, even if you don’t think he’ll catch. He has a special bat. Murphy is better defensively, and will hit for average, but doesn’t have the pop. Ditto, Romine, who is a good gap, oppo hitter, but doesn’t have the bat upside of the other two. I would not trade Sanchez.

    Adams has more athleticism than Corban, but does he have enough pop to play third for you? Maybe. Corban’s defense will hold him back. Not sure that we will ever see him as a regular. Beautiful swing; they should actually deal Corban. I do not see him ever cracking this lineup because he doesn’t have the D or enough OPS, even though he continues to improve.

    I agree we could trade Phelps, but… I hesitate until I know what else we have going forward.

  67. MTU November 10th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    YF-

    I understand the differences amongst the youngsters.

    All I’m saying is that we need to evaluate who is expendable and make our moves.

    We should have enough talent there to get someone decent back even while keeping our very best.

    We cannot keep them all.

    I think we might disagree a bit on who is in the untouchable category is all.

    I respect your opinions very, very much I might add.

    Later.

    Be well.

  68. jr1212 November 10th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Also with the draft picks that the Yanks will accumulate, some of the prospects might be a little more expandable.

  69. blake November 10th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    3/39 would be a great deal for Swisher but I honestly don’t even think they would do that …..that’s 13 million AAV and it would be on the books for 2014…..Hal would say no

  70. Nick in SF November 10th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    “I wanted Kuroda and AP secured early so Cashman would be free to explore his trade options.”

    Are you writing this from the future???? It’s still early. QOs were declined yesterday.

  71. Bo knows November 10th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    To me the biggest sin by Yankee management, at least so far, was the “day late and dollar short” mentality. In other words not signing Beltran, thereby trading Swisher at market value and so starting the domino effect of at least one young player a year, starting in 2013. This year, trading Granderson and if need be Cano. No player is greater than the team.

    Trading a player, one year early, for an asset vs a three to five year possibility in a draft pick is a no brainer. The Yankees management failed the reality check on Swisher/Beltran.

    I didn’t like trading Montero but could see the reasoning with the two B’s on the horizon. Montero could only be traded for a pitcher. The Yankees could then trade a pitcher for a
    position player. That went to hell in a hand basket.

    I don’t care about past history, deal with the situation now. The five old men need to be replaced, preferably one at a time.

  72. I Am Winning November 10th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Jr,

    You’re right. Nothing every happens in these GM meetings. December is when a lot of the things get done. The November meetings are worthless.

    ——-
    I don’t know how many times I can say this but throw that $189m number out the window it won’t happen. We aren’t going to turn into the Marlins. So stop trying to be th Yankees accountant. If getting Swisher and paying a fair price means him being here in 2014, and if it helps our team than it will get done. Stop speculating the Yankees won’t do anything because of 2014.

  73. jacksquat November 10th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Swisher is going to get at least 4 years, people posting on MLBTR about 3 years are naive.

  74. jacksquat November 10th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    I Am Winning November 10th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    I don’t know how many times I can say this but throw that $189m number out the window it won’t happen. We aren’t going to turn into the Marlins. So stop trying to be th Yankees accountant.

    Hal and Cashman have said repeatedly that they are going to be under 189 for 2014. Stop trying to deny reality.

  75. I Am Winning November 10th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    Jack squat,

    Hal wants to avoid the luxury tax, he needs to reduce payroll under $180 for that to happen. I can’t see how that is possible and still putting a championship team on the field. They have a lot of high paid players and some who are underperforming for their money.


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