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Week in review: Still early and still quiet

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 11, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

A few minor roster additions, three predictable free agent decisions, and a rather quiet three days at the General Managers Meetings.

This was the first full week of November, and it was predictably quiet. A few teams made big league signings, and many teams were floated through significant trade and free agent speculation, but Yankees general manager Brian Cashman didn’t expect to get much done this week, and he made good on that expectation.

• It was perfectly expected, and on Friday it became official: Nick Swisher, Rafael Soriano and Hiroki Kuroda each rejected their qualifying offers from the Yankees. There might have been some mild hope for Kuroda to accept, but the market suggests his value is higher than one year, $13.3 million.

• The Yankees actually did add a few players this week. They claimed catcher Eli Whiteside and relievers David Herndon and Josh Spence off waivers. All three are more depth moves than anything else, but a Yankees source said the team likes Herndon’s arm and believes he’ll be back from Tommy John surgery before the end of the season.

• Robinson Cano is in the final year of his current contract, and there’s little indication that the Yankees are anywhere close to an extension. Agent Scott Boras said he’s had a few conversations with the Yankees, but there’s no sort of progress to report.

• Speaking of Cano, he was named a top five finalist for the MVP award. He was also named the Yankees best defensive player in the first Wilson Defensive Player of the Year Award. Cano also won a Silver Slugger, as did Derek Jeter.

• Speaking of Jeter, Cashman confirmed that Jeter’s ankle injury will keep him from playing the World Baseball Classic.

• Speaking of things Cashman announced, during this week’s meetings Cashman said that Michael Pineda’s rehab is on schedule and Pineda is currently throwing off flat ground. Even so, the Yankees aren’t counting on anything from Pineda this season and certainly won’t have him until the summer.

• CC Sabathia told reporters at Yankee Stadium that his elbow surgery went well and he expects to be ready for Opening Day. He also said he’s been trying to get Andy Pettitte to pitch one more season. Sabathia, Joe Girardi and Joba Chamberlain each helped take donations for Hurricane Sandy relief this week.

• It was for a commercial shoot, but nonetheless, Mariano Rivera threw off a mound on Friday. It was his first time on a mound since the ACL injury that cost him most of the season.

• The Marlins signed Tino Martinez to be their new hitting coach. Martinez was serving as an advisor to Cashman.

• Baseball America released its list of minor league free agents. The biggest names on the Yankees list were Ramiro Pena, Kevin Russo, Kevin Whelan and Gustavo Molina, each of whom saw some big league time the past three years.

• Long-time Yankees executive Lee MacPhail died on Friday at the age of 95.

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214 Responses to “Week in review: Still early and still quiet”

  1. William Buckner November 11th, 2012 at 9:09 am

    I love the budget talk from the Yankee brass, but before the fans panic, this is a self imposed number, $189. Don’t buy the company line. They won’t put an inferrior team on the field over a couple of million. I’m not saying they won’t try to spend smarter, but their is no way Cano and Granderson are not on this team come 2014, unless they are able to make a strong trade to benefit the big league club.

  2. Yankee Trader November 11th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    86w183-

    I agree with all but the ones that aren’t proven major league ready #’s 6,7,8,10.

    I’m Towers and I want 2 position players ready to fill a starting spot on my roster and one pitcher for Justin Upton.

    The Rays are dangling Hellickson, Shields, maybe Moore and an infielder, so far. Top that!

  3. Yankee Trader November 11th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Blake-

    Focus on 25 yo Justin Upton. Put together a package that would top the Rays.

    ARod will not be tradeable until he goes to Cashman and tells him he wants out of NY and will give him a list of teams that he’d be willing to go to. Even then he’s going to be difficult to trade and get some of the AAV off the books.

  4. Yankee Trader November 11th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    The Yankees will not go over the 189M mark for 2014 because they will be the only team taxed at 50 cents on the dollar. They revert back to 17.5% if they are under the threshold at years end 2014.

    They also get back huge sums by staying under the cap thru 2016 when the CBA expires.

  5. blake November 11th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    “Focus on 25 yo Justin Upton. Put together a package that would top the Rays.”

    If the Rays really want him and go all out then I can’t….same with Texas….the issue with Upton is that while he’s cheap in AAV for the Yankees…. He’s not cheap for the Rays starting next year….they don’t care about AAV…. They care about dollars per year an starting in 2014 i think Upton makes like 15 million ….which is a ton for Tampa

  6. austinmac November 11th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    Buckner,

    Nope. They intend and will go below the cap. They will regret it.

  7. Yankee Trader November 11th, 2012 at 9:24 am

    WB-

    Here’s the link to the above, why they won’t spend even one dollar more than 189M for 2014, or 2015 and 2016 either.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....D2c6NKXCRM

  8. Yankee Trader November 11th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Based only on rumors, do you agree with the below:

    There is no interest in ARod, he’s not waving his NT, and he’s paying primarily 3B.

    Boras is suggesting to Cano to go to FA. Cano wants 10 years and will not offer a home town discount.

    Kuroda is weighing his options and the Dodgers are interested in bringing him back.

  9. jmills November 11th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    Hi YT, Austinmatic, blake, etc..New day, and aren’t ya’ sad my Jays rule?! Nice to see you well!!!!!

  10. Yankee Trader November 11th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    Justin Upton’s contract:

    1.25M signing bonus
    10:$0.5M, 11:$4.25M, 12:$6.75M, 13:$9.75M, 14:$14.25M, 15:$14.5M
    limited no-trade protection (may block deals to four clubs — originally Cleveland, Detroit, Kansas City, Oakland)

  11. 86w183 November 11th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    It’s fun to spend other people’s money, but I can’t fault Hal for seeing the long term benefits of getting under $ 189 for one year let alone three years. Between revenue sharing and luxury tax rules they could benefit by $ 50 M a year all things considered.

    I would be upset if the Yanks got WAY below the threshold, but $ 189 M is more than $ 50 M above the payrolls of the Tigers and Giants. That means it is more than enough for field a W.S. Championship team.

    They just have to make more intelligent, cost-effective moves and fewer stupid, expensive ones going forward.

    Right now they are at $ 131 for 2013 and $ 75 M for 2014.

  12. jmills November 11th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    86 – maybe you can bring back Rickie Henderson, even tho he won for me :)

  13. 86w183 November 11th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    YT —

    I agree Alex is staying put unless he asks for a move and agrees to re-do his deal to make it happen. I do believe there is potential mutual benefit in an A-Rod/Ethier based swap.

    I do not think Cano or Granderson will be Yankees in 2014. I believe Kuroda will spend a second year in pinstripes before going home to Japan.

    and, like Crash Davis I believe there should be a Constitutional Amendment outlawing the DH and artificial turf.

  14. dan l November 11th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    YT that article is not really true. The savings are much much greater then it mentions. The 189 is all about revenue sharing rebates which add up to close to 300 million from 14-16. If the Yankees could be under next they would as they would receive a 25% rebate on their revenue sharing contribution. Realize that the Yankees are paying annually over 125 million you can see why they want to do this plus no luxury tax.

  15. The Return of Stoneburner November 11th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Heathcott with a double last night – AZFL average at .333 – plus stole two bases

    Adams with a triple – nice power display the last week – with three homers – played 3b

    Montgomery was roughed up in his only inning of work – - – -

  16. Yankee Trader November 11th, 2012 at 9:46 am

    I have to go soon. LT is calculated at years end, payable the following year by the 31st January.

    It includes more than the 40 man payroll, such as player benefits which I believe run around 11-12M.
    JF has a better grasp on that.

    Also the Yankees will leave some wiggle room for inseason additions thru trades.

    Then there are marketing and other bonuses, like ARod’s 6M every time he passes a HR record holder, starting with Mays. That get’s added in the year he passes a mark.

    To calculate the 2014 opening day payroll, therefore it might be best to think around 16-17M lower than 189M to give the team manuevering room.

  17. jmills November 11th, 2012 at 9:46 am

    Toronto requires pitching, No Doubt Gwen Stefani. If Greinke or whatever his name is doesn’t want to cum up here,….Stieb is a viable option.

  18. jmills November 11th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    I really believe my Jays are at least as good as those O’s :)

  19. austinmac November 11th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    86w183,

    No one disagrees that wise spending is a good thing. However, they should have anticipated the problem. Now they are going to rely on one year replacements since the $75m is on three players, leaving them with about $100m to spend with no cheap minor league replacements, at least at the starter level.

    Under that scenario, I see no way they will field a competitive team.

  20. austinmac November 11th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Jmills,

    With health the Jays may be very good next year. Can we have some of your players? We are a bit short.

  21. Yankee Trader November 11th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    Danl-

    I’m not arguing your point. I was furnishing a reason why the 1st post on this thread by WB is just not going to happen and supplied the link from December 2011.

    I totally agree with you. Read my Lips-The Yankees will not spend one penny more than $188,999,999.99 in any year from 2014 thru 2016, that would cause them to pay any Luxury Tax and therefore forfeit all benefits from staying under the cap! :)

  22. Yankee Trader November 11th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Wish I could stay longer.

    Hopefully by this time next week Kuroda and Rivera will be on board, Pettitte will be coming back, and maybe the catching situation will be resolved.

    Then the team can focus on a trade for a corner OF’er and start shoring up the bench.

    Have a gret day.

    Until later.

  23. Yankee Trader November 11th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    *great*

  24. jacksquat November 11th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    The Red Sox had interest in Russell Martin before signing catcher David Ross.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#3pZWTtO1BXGcUYx5.99

    See that Russ? You were replaced by a guy for 2/6.2.

  25. jmills November 11th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    Austinmac – you can have Alan Ashby :)

  26. austinmac November 11th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    I feel a little sorry for Chad. Nothing happens, yet he needs daily or more frequent posts.

  27. NYYanksFan November 11th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    A-Rod and Mattingly didn’t get along that well when Mattingly was hitting coach so he may be unwilling to waive for LA no matter how creative you want to get with a trade.

  28. yankee21 November 11th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    NY had a need for a catcher, Ross was an excellent candidate. It is mystifying BOS got him for 2/6.2.

    WTH was Cashman doing to lure Ross, or as with seemingly everyone else and every other opportunity, was it too early in the process to even bother engaging Ross’ agent?

    As has been pointed out on this blog, Ross + Romine made a lot of sense especially in the 2H of the year. The 1H NYY could have got by with Ross+Cervelli.

    Watch Cashman re-sign Martin for at least triple that number and put this franchise in a hole even deeper than it is.

  29. austinmac November 11th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Jmills,

    He’s a catcher. We need one, but he might not bring the average age down. :)

  30. Section 8 November 11th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    86 is right. It’s not my money so I’d love for them to spend $250m, but any reasonable business owner would take advantage of the huge financial benefit of getting under $189m.

    $189m is not the problem. Too much money in Alex and Tex is a problem. A not productive enough farm system (right now) is a problem. Ridiculous ticket prices that make fans feel entitled to an unlimited budget is a problem. Building a championship team for $189m should not be.

    It will take luck and creativity for this Yankee team to do it, and I don’t know this regime has it in them, but I can’t begrudge them trying.

  31. austinmac November 11th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    Yankkee21,

    They couldn’t sign Ross. He wanted a second year, you know. Can’t have that. They want to have three players under contract after next year it seems.

  32. yankee21 November 11th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    Chad as usual keeps things moving. Thank you Chad!

    Difficult to report much in the way of progress when your GM repeatedly says its too early to expect much movement pretty much until a week or so before the season starts.

  33. austinmac November 11th, 2012 at 10:10 am

    That’s the problem. Building a team was 40% of the payroll used on three players, two of whom have declining production, is a disaster under the new payroll desire.

  34. J. Alfred Prufrock November 11th, 2012 at 10:10 am

    NYYanksFan – where did you hear that? Mattingly, as far as I know, seemed to really like and appreciate what Alex brought to the Yanks as a clubhouse presence and an unofficial “scout”. Do you mean he didn’t like his hitting tips, or something more personal? Because I remember an in-depth interview with Mattingly on ESPN-Radio where he, unprompted, praised Alex for being the go-to MLB pitching scout for the team. He laughed and said ‘if I need a scouting report for the hitters on an opposing pitcher, we go to Alex’ and there were other very positive comments about him, none of which seemed strained or insincere.

  35. The Return of Stoneburner November 11th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Cafardo sees the Yankees, Dodgers (if they trade Andre Ethier), Mariners, Orioles, and Brewers as the teams to watch for Josh Hamilton. The extra $25MM that teams could earn each year as a result of the new TV deal could lead someone to take the plunge and give the outfielder a five-year deal.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#rbyDoSf9V2HgDlmZ.99

  36. jmills November 11th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    Austinmac,……you can have my prime minister.

  37. jmills November 11th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Alfred, me and Sylvia Plath say hi.

  38. 86w183 November 11th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Austinmac —

    I don’t think they have had time to adjust to the new CBA.

    The only major deal signed since then is the CC Sabathia extension.

    Obviously they would never have done the A-Rod deal had they known two things —

    1. the terms of the new CBA
    2. the use of PEDs during the Texas years

    Donald Trump is rarely correct about anything, but he was right in saying the Yanks should have sought to re-do that contract once the PED use was admitted to.

  39. J. Alfred Prufrock November 11th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    Watch Cashman re-sign Martin for at least triple that number and put this franchise in a hole even deeper than it is.
    ///

    The Cult of Martin the GM has been trying to build around this guy is just unwarranted and Cashman is beginning to sound a little looney about him.

  40. austinmac November 11th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    Yankee21,

    But, Cashman will get some good bargains in February. Let’s hope Jonesy is still out there. He may be among the best.

    Boy, do I wish I am very wrong with the future. It would be nice to see or hear something hopeful.

  41. austinmac November 11th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    Jmills,
    The PM’s contract or term is too long.

  42. RMS November 11th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    What team in their right mind would want Alex? Especially in the NL where you cannot DH him. His contract is an albatross. He is old, gets hurt frequently, has turned into a singles hitter, has used peds.

  43. J. Alfred Prufrock November 11th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    jmills November 11th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Alfred, me and Sylvia Plath say hi.
    ///

    Hello yourselves :). Tell the poetess she’s much admired down here on Nassau Street. Is Noah Syndegaard ready for primetime?

  44. J. Alfred Prufrock November 11th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    Sign Hamilton and the Melkman and your problems are solved.

  45. yankee21 November 11th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Under the current Yankee regime it appears if a player has any character issues or wants more than a 1 year contract he is automatically eliminated as “not a good fit”.

    As much as I’d love Hamilton patrolling the OF for the Yankees, I don’t see him coming to NY for these reasons.

    If I’m the owner I give him a 5/115 year deal and lock him up the same week I move Grandy and Cano (if he insists on a moon deal).

  46. austinmac November 11th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    86,

    Many folks last year urged them to sign Cespedes at a reasonable contract, Darvish whose posting fee didn’t count or trade Swisher since they weren’t going to re-sign him.

    They want to dance to a new tune, but they still dance to the old one without any dance partners, also known as players.

  47. yankeefeminista November 11th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Good morning! Pruf, good point about Heathcott. Mason might wear better over time because of his body type, whereas Heathcott is max effort and physiologically seems less fluid. I’d be happy if either one is our future CF. As for Betances, I have no idea what he is throwing in fall league, but do know that he was adamant about throwing his changeup much more this season. Montgomery can indeed have some control issues but he also hasn’t been getting consistent innings in AFL.

    You have to think re: Ross that we just are so smitten with Russell that we aren’t even considering other catchers.

  48. 86w183 November 11th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Ross is a back up, period. He has averaged 58 games the last five years. He’ll be 36 in March.

    He’s one of the top back up catchers in the game, but you don’t get to $ 189 M paying $ 3.1 M to a backup catcher.

    He and Salty will make a very nice tandem, since Salty is brutal against LHP.

  49. jmills November 11th, 2012 at 10:22 am

    Austinmac, I agree, that thing might be in forever. Alfred, I need pitching, starting to be specific unless the relievers want ( and maybe they do ) to be out there all the time.

    Recall,…Sylvia rules.

  50. austinmac November 11th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    JAP,

    They will not sign either, unfortunately. Melky seems like an obvious signing. Heck, I could handle the public relations.

    I recall when George kept bringing Steve Howe back. Now, Melky is a pariah forever. Testosterone worse than coke?

  51. jmills November 11th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    YF – you’re o.k. !!!!!!!!

  52. yankeefeminista November 11th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Austinmac, that’s the thing. They won’t take a risk with IFA talent re: the Big Three, but trade their only big trade chip for an ultra risky “injury matrix” pitcher in Pineda. I can’t believe they intend to stand pat. And they do have to replace Swish. I still am not convinced that we don’t make a big move, wasting more of the farm, but I just don’t see us having what ‘Zona wants for Upton.

  53. J. Alfred Prufrock November 11th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    YF, I hope so (re Dellin’s change). That’s a dynamite pitch. Guess we’ll see a lot of Heathcott this season…that OF alone will draw me out there more often in 2013. If we get DePaula and J-Ram, that’s going to be a blast down here. I’ve always liked Ross, too. Sucks that Boston got him. Dierkes wrote he expects the Red Sox to sign Melky. Now, that would be a dagger. ALthough there was that bit about Melky’s reps not wanting to get involved with highly scrutinized teams like Boston (I don’t know if that’s sincere or their definition of leverage, but let it not be so).

  54. yankee21 November 11th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    Ross is a back up, period. He has averaged 58 games the last five years. He’ll be 36 in March.

    If you say so 86, I guess it must be true.

    My opinion is Martin is a great back up too.

  55. 86w183 November 11th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    Many folks last year urged them to sign Cespedes at a reasonable contract, Darvish whose posting fee didn’t count or trade Swisher since they weren’t going to re-sign him.

    ************************************************************************

    No one know what if anything they offered Cespedes or what they offered as a posting fee for Darvish. We do know that those two cost $ 140 M or so in guarantees to two guys who have never played in MLB.

    And they would not have gotten much in a trade for Swisher with him nearing FA.

    I owuld have liked to to see them sign some of the bigger named guys, but it was certainly very risky from a financial standpoint as well as a luxury tax standpoint if they didn’t pan out.

  56. yankeefeminista November 11th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Hi jmills, yes I am fine. Thanks for your concern. Just a little water damage to the house, and big trees still surreally lying all over my yard. We got power back on the 12th day. But my town is still a mess, and no power at my work place for going on two weeks. Still a ton of wires down and entangled in trees.

  57. jmills November 11th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    YF, you’re obviously doing well, all things considered. Up and onwards for you!

  58. yankeefeminista November 11th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Jmills, how are you? Did you like BA’s ranking of your prospects? I’ve seen D’Arnaud play a lot in AA; I see that Fisher Cats team often.

  59. 86w183 November 11th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    Ross is a back up, period. He has averaged 58 games the last five years. He’ll be 36 in March.

    If you say so 86, I guess it must be true.

    ***************************************************************************

    No reason to be snarky, yankee 21.

    If you think a 36 year old who has NEVER started 100 games behind the plate in a season is # 1 catcher material I think you’ll find yourself in the overwhelming minority.

    As I wrote, Ross is a top flight back up catcher, but I don’t see the Yanks spending that kind of money for a back up in this fiscal environment.

  60. yankee21 November 11th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    No one know what if anything they offered Cespedes or what they offered as a posting fee for Darvish. We do know that those two cost $ 140 M or so in guarantees to two guys who have never played in MLB. …..

    It was reported the posting fee by NYY for Darvish was 14 million.
    The Yankees found some warts with Cespedes and thus had the cover they needed not to invest in him.

    Based on Cespedes’ production, the Yankees were dead wrong.

  61. yankeefeminista November 11th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    Jmills, the only way to go is forward I suppose, but Lewis Carroll might disagree, among others.

  62. J. Alfred Prufrock November 11th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    austinmac November 11th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    JAP,

    They will not sign either, unfortunately. Melky seems like an obvious signing. Heck, I could handle the public relations.
    ////

    The Yankees need to get over the idea that they are running some kind of a political campaign. Hey – if they are, shouldn’t Cash resign, ala Patraeus? Seriously, Melky is sooo obvious. He meets nearly all the criteria:

    1). Cheap, reasonably short-term
    2). short to the ball, contact guy with line drive and developing loft power, from both sides of plate.
    3). has running game, gets his share of infield hits and SBs
    4). Can play all OF positions
    5). Has a legit arm (unlike anyone in our current OF)
    6). Can confound “matchups” because he is a legit SH
    7). Doesn’t need a walker at the prime-time age of 28!
    8). Does not shrink in the big spot (.298 with RISP in 2009)
    9). Is liked by Jeter as a good teammate and clubhouse guy – what more of an endorsement does he need??
    10). If Alex remains, he’ll have him on a short leash

  63. jmills November 11th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    YF, D’Arnaud could be an enticing piece for some starting.

    I am fine, thanks, as my daughter is doing great :)

  64. J. Alfred Prufrock November 11th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    Not being seriously in on Cespedes was as bad a whiff as any.

  65. yankeefeminista November 11th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    Pruf, yes very much looking forward to that Trentin team. Turley should be fun to watch too, and I am hoping DePaula will be a fast mover as originally reported. (Lol, my iPhone corrected Turley to Turkey 3x but I overruled it thrice.)

  66. yankee21 November 11th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    Ross started most of the games for ATL after McCaan went down with shoulder problems. He may not fit the bill as a career starter but he did a good job in 2012.

    I’d take Ross+ Cervelli and later Ross+Romine for 3.5 million combined, versus Martin+ either of Romine or Cervelli for 7 million combined.

    But I guess I’m in a minority. No problem.

  67. jmills November 11th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    YF, at temps we all want to go sideways circa alike Carroll.

  68. MTU November 11th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    YF-

    I think the Yankees have more than enough to get JU.

    Question is: Are they motivated enough ?

    I don’t think they are.

    ;)

  69. yankeefeminista November 11th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    Pruf, forward your post to Cash! Forgiveness is divine, and Austin will run Melky’s PR. Done.

  70. jmills November 11th, 2012 at 10:42 am

    Hi MTU!,….got any succulents for dear moi?

  71. MTU November 11th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    I still think the Yankees should be talking w the Royals.

    There is still a deal or two to be made there.

    I hope they are.

  72. jacksquat November 11th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    86, you missed the point of my post. The Red Sox were looking for a catcher, and they saw Martin and Ross as near equivalents. No one said Ross was capable of starting 130 games. Although, the last 4 years or so he would never have gotten that opportunity with McCann on the team.

  73. yankeefeminista November 11th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    MTU, more than the Rays or Texas? And what 3B are we trading to them for Upton? Nunez cannot play 3rd and how do we know they like him as a SS? How do we know Towers would choose our pitching over other teams’ and who would you trade? Does Phelps have the upside they want? Can we afford to trade a pitcher when Pineda was a must have, and isn’t even available to us? What MLB ready OF can we offer Towers that he would want?

  74. J. Alfred Prufrock November 11th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    YF, I get a lot of “return to sender.” JK. I just don’t get replies :D. They probably have me in some “possibly dangerous” file.

    Seriously, just feels like Cashman has no instincts for what his own team needs, but been there, said that, in January, when I was the board pariah ;). Even more so now, they appear clueless. They let go of Montero then slept on Cespedes, who could have been dynamite for us this past season. I just don’t get it. My hope is, they have somehow privately acknowledged and digested their mistakes, and will do something entirely unexpected in this space to pull down a hit-for-average, youngish bat with some pop. They have to know that they have no choice if they want to compete.

  75. MTU November 11th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Mills-

    None right now but I’ll keep ya’ in mind.

    It was 44 degrees here the other day,

    Brrrrrr !

  76. jmills November 11th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    Alfred, I’m feeling big upon this day – you can have Josh Towers And, Jesse Barfield! Lucky you.

  77. jmills November 11th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    MTU, ha ha!

  78. MTU November 11th, 2012 at 10:52 am

    YF-

    We are all assuming we KNOW what Towers wants and what he values.

    He did talk about a Pitcher. We can do that.

    I think the rest might be somewhat negotiable.

    If he wants the things you claim then you’re right we won’t be able to match either the Rangers or possibly the Rays.

    If not, it shouldn’t be a problem. I hope we are making the max. effort but I doubt we are.

  79. J. Alfred Prufrock November 11th, 2012 at 10:52 am

    jmills,

    We already did Jesse once. If Josh Towers were to replace Cash, I would be fine with that :D. If he brings Upton along with him, so much the better (although I’m not giving up Sanchez for him).

  80. jmills November 11th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    Alfred, get your hands out of the cookie jar. Winfield is mine, same for Molitar.

  81. yankeefeminista November 11th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    MTU, we may hit 64 degrees today! :) how was your hike?

  82. J. Alfred Prufrock November 11th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    I’d take Ross+ Cervelli and later Ross+Romine for 3.5 million combined, versus Martin+ either of Romine or Cervelli for 7 million combined.

    But I guess I’m in a minority. No problem.
    ///

    Yankee21, I would have preferred that, too. Good posts by you yesterday in a.m.

  83. 86w183 November 11th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    jacksquat —-

    I didn’t misunderstand anything. You made up a fact not in evidence.

    The Red Sox didn’t need a # 1 catcher, they needed a # 2 and that’s what they signed, a damn good # 2 catcher. An ideal compliment to Saltalamaccia who is brutal batting RH.

    Russell Martin has started 100 + games as a catcher SIX times, Ross has never done it. Martin is six years younger. They are not “near equivalents”. though their OPS + os virtually identical because Martin has shown he can catch full time.

  84. J. Alfred Prufrock November 11th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    jmills, Winfield was an under-appreciated Yankee. Too bad we blew ’81. That would have helped the view of him in pinstripes.

  85. yankee21 November 11th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    MTU,

    Regarding Towers and ARI, NYY does not really have any excess ML ready pitchers to trade if Kuroda-san walks and Andy decides he is finally “all funned out.”

    It will be an all hands on deck kind of thing for NY to fill out the rotation in 2013 especially with their self-imposed fiscal and contractual constraints.

    Unless of course NY persuades Freddy the Chief to give them another year.

  86. 86w183 November 11th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    Personally my preferred catching tandem would be Ross/Pierzinski…. would be a bit pricey but very productive.

  87. jmills November 11th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Alfred, I had a Latin teacher in ’81 who was very upset your Yankees lost. Not me, I was wrapped up in Stieb’s arm :)

  88. jmills November 11th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Silence gentle people. 11 A.M. Remembrance, where poppies grow.

  89. MTU November 11th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    YF-

    Cold. In the 40′s w wind. I still love getting out there though.

    Thanks for asking.

    21-

    I’m assuming we have those 2 inked before a deal is struck.

    If not we would not have the available Pitching to trade. So yes, under that scenario, I agree with you.

  90. J. Alfred Prufrock November 11th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    jmills November 11th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Alfred, I had a Latin teacher in ’81 who was very upset your Yankees lost.
    ///

    It was a sudden disintegration. I sat out there and watched the infield literally crumble under the weight of being in the midst of blowing a World Series after having had the upper hand. Nothing was worse than watching Jello Man jiggle with happiness (worse than losing to Boston in 2004, personally). How I hated him and his Dodgers.

  91. jacksquat November 11th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    86, I didn’t make up anything.

    The Red Sox had interest in Russell Martin before signing catcher David Ross.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#aZhMQLeSM3wV0sdD.99

    Although my post was a little tongue in cheek, thought that would be obvious…

  92. yankeefeminista November 11th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    MTU, my understanding was that Towers wanted young, cost controlled mlb ready players, which rules out a lot of our younger trade chips besides pitchers (who I am loathe to deal based on age and injury). Also Towers wanted a 3B; we can’t accommodate him there at all. I don’t know what OF he’d take, not Gardner or Grandy. Anyone else position wise who is young and mlb ready for us would not be considered an elite enough player. Our A ball players are elite, but too young. JMO based on what has been put out there re: Towers’ needs. If we can make a deal, I would be interested, depending on what we would have to give up, but I just don’t see it happening, and if Towers would accept younger MiLB players, I’d think the cost would be exorbitant. Again, all based on hearsay, but JUP is not going to be gotten cheaply. And Rays have more to offer. Texas, too.

    Heading to the farmer’s market… catch you all later.

  93. jacksquat November 11th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    And agreed on Ross/Pierzynski, but that is not possible now. Maybe Romine/Pierzynski.

  94. yankeefeminista November 11th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    MTU, brrr, but there is something about that crisp cold that I love; hiking in it must be kind of exhilarating; now the wind is another story. Seen too much of it lately. The Chinese are smart about the wind and its ability to destroy things… Also tough to score a game in April at NYS with that wind blowing. Bet holding a camera is tough also.

  95. MTU November 11th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    YF-

    If JU is not a possibility (which I do not concede at this point) then I still think Gordon would be an excellent get.

    Enjoy all those wholesome fruits and veggies.

    I hear they’re good for ya’.

    ;)

  96. jacksquat November 11th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    AZ has been interested in players like Andrus and Hellickson. They Yankees don’t have anything in that class to trade.

  97. J. Alfred Prufrock November 11th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    YF, my farmer’s market is Thursday but Whole Earth helps. Enjoy the fresh air. I’m out as well, heading to Small World for a breakfast burrito. Yankeeland is like a soap opera. Miss a month and you miss nothing :D. I guess Chad can mark each FA signing of guys who can actually help us… by other teams. Nah, I think they’ll do something. What that is, we’ll have to wait and see. But the red carpet will be rolled out, no doubt, for the triumphant return of Russell “Munson” Martin…. Full YES coverage of that happy event coming your way!

    Later.

  98. jmills November 11th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    You guys are in trouble,…Bobby Orr is going to do everything for my Jays.

  99. MTU November 11th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    YF-

    I don’t generally bring out a acmera in that kind of breeze.

    If I did my choices of shutter speeds would have to be greatly restricted.

    There is snow on the nearby Mountains at the moment.

    Always love the look of red rock and snow.

    Looks like a cinnamon bun w frosting.

    Magic.

  100. jmills November 11th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    I like Russell Munson, he’s American and Canadian all at the same time.

  101. MTU November 11th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    JAP-

    Good to see you. Enjoy your burritto.

    I had mine last night and a green chile omlette this AM.

    Spice of life. Or is that, Life’s spices ?

    Oh well.

    :)

  102. MTU November 11th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Kinda looks like this :

    https://picasaweb.google.com/109721757058432487394/WinterScenes?authkey=Gv1sRgCKbcpqj51bqb-QE#

    Enjoy.

    :)

  103. jmills November 11th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    MTU – I like haberneros – the hotter the better. I eat garlic and spice all day long.

  104. MTU November 11th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    Mills-

    You are definitely “macho”.

    Bacteria haven’t got a chance against you.

    Play fair.

    ;)

  105. J. Alfred Prufrock November 11th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    MTU,

    Good to see you, as well.

    Yours was probably a lot more authentic than Small World’s, but I’m too lazy and spent from being a nomad during Sandy to whip up one here. Plus, can’t beat the joe at this place.

    The spices are all – and must have real jalapenos!

    jmills – you can have Mr. Martin (I reference “Munson” in the most derisive way. Cashman should never have made that ridiculous comparison).

    Enjoy your Sunday, folks.

  106. jmills November 11th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    MTU, bacteria have no chance around these parts. Incomparable pics as always, but how do I drive a Formula 1 car through your terrain?

  107. DONNYBROOK November 11th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    Outta habit, you guys pay Way to much attention to the R\Sox. Ross aint gonna make-or-break that team. Non-factor in 2013 AL East outcome.
    Detroit having Towers ear, issa concern. J Upton added to that roster would make them a much better team Now and down the road. Detroit does have the parts to make that deal.
    Thought all the Cashman quotes in The Post were Pure drival. The guy is outta the loop. Well, he does have a say in whether it’s 1 or 2 ply used in the head.
    Notre Dame, (the NY Yankees of College Football), continue their roll. 2 more W’s, (yea, SC is gonna be Very tough), will stand the NCAA on it’s head, and make the proposed playoff system a life saver for the stuffed shirts. The howling outta the ND Faithful after going 12-0 and Not getting a Championship Game, is gonna be defeaning. Perfect World = Championships for the Yankees and The Fighting Irish.

  108. MTU November 11th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    JAP-

    Used to live in NM. Still miss the fresh Hatch chile.

    For a while after leaving I needed chile care packages from friends still living there.

    I gradually weaned myself away from that addiction.

    Never have had any Mexican as good since but ours is acceptable.

  109. MTU November 11th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Mills-

    You stick to the pavement.

    Literally and figuratively.

    ;)

  110. jmills November 11th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    I have a soft spot for Russell Martin,….being an insipid Canadian akin to Naomi Watts in Mulholland Dr..

  111. jacksquat November 11th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    I think it’s really Girardi more than Cashman re: Martin

    As he walked past an open door in the hallway, Manager Joe Girardi’s voice beckoned him inside. Martin slowly changed course and veered into the office, where the manager sat slumped in a chair.

    “Hey, Russ,” Girardi said. “I just wanted to thank you. You gave it everything you had.”

    Martin was unsure what to say.

    “I’m sorry, Skip,” he managed to mumble. “I’m sorry.”

    It was a blanket apology for the loss, and for his own shortage of hits over the previous eight games, the final four of which amounted to a shattering sweep by the Tigers in the American League Championship Series.

    “Don’t say that,” Girardi snapped. “Don’t say it. You did everything you could.”

    “And what people didn’t know is how banged up he is,” Girardi said of Martin. “Both of his thumbs were jammed. He could barely hold the bat.”

    After their brief meeting, Martin and Girardi hugged

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11.....&_r=0

    Girardi is just in love with the guy.

  112. jmills November 11th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    MTU, I promise to stick to Gilles Villeneuve pavement :)

  113. yankeefeminista November 11th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Thanks for sharing the stunning pics, MTU.

    This farmer’s market has a tacqueria truck, and also another stand that serves genuine borekas, so I will have a few of those more “sinful” delights with my healthy veggies and fruit. Stay hungry, Yanks!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_o_2P6TYAk

  114. MTU November 11th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    jacksquat-

    Reminds him of himself ?

    Or at least his image of himself ?

    ;)

  115. yankeefeminista November 11th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    JS, ugh.

  116. MTU November 11th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    YF/Mills-

    My pleasure to show you some of God’s Country.

    I am honored and privledged to do it.

    I’m not a Mormon but I’m still on a Mission.

    :)

  117. jacksquat November 11th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    MTU November 11th, 2012 at 11:29 am
    jacksquat-

    Reminds him of himself ?

    Or at least his image of himself ?

    I see a lot of fondness likely due to the similarity, yeah.

  118. jmills November 11th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Ernie Whitt and Buck Martinez are my receivers, not to mention the man, Pat Borders!

  119. MTU November 11th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Catch you all later.

    The Giants will be on soon.

  120. jmills November 11th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    YF, talking Heads are a great seminal band. Love them!

  121. yankeefeminista November 11th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    jmills, I used to see them perform at CBGB in NY. Enjoy your day, all!

  122. jmills November 11th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    U2 YF, you lucky so and so.

  123. DONNYBROOK November 11th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    The Fixation about food and spices says Much about the age around here. You’ll have to tell me firsthand, how The Bambino’s swing was too long, and his back leg buckled causing that Horrendous upper cut.
    With Cano, Nunez, Gardner, and Nova, Hughes, maybe Phelps, the Yanks have the pieces to get J Upton and maybe Headley. SD is looking for young, cheap, SP’s, and Nunez would fill Towers stated need for SS or 3B.
    I’ll take The Cars over Talking Heads anyday.

  124. The Return of Stoneburner November 11th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Word on other sites is Betances appears to be transitioning for the pen and Montgomery either needs to improve his fastball command or develop a third pitch – - – -

  125. jmills November 11th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    Donny, you know your b-ball!

  126. RadioKev November 11th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    I missed the Ross signing. Good move by the Sox. We’re going to have to cross our fingers with Romine…

  127. RadioKev November 11th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    Could the Sox convert one of their three catchers to a first baseman? They would be in a very good position if they could.

  128. Duh Innings II November 11th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    ‘Say the Yanks got Mo to re-sign for a year and $10M – that’s $5M saved plus $12.5M cleared from letting go of Soriano, $10.25M cleared letting go of Swisher, $4M letting go of Garcia, $3.75M letting go of Felciano for $35.5M total cleared.

    $35.5M – 5M Kuroda’s raise ($10M to $15M) = $30.5M – 5M Pettitte’s raise ($2.5M to $7.5M) = $25.5M – 5M Soria = $20.5M – 10.25M Hunter = $10.25M left over.

  129. blake November 11th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    Heathcott and Adams both impressed me last night….Adams has a really nice short opo stroke…..he could be a valuable guy next year if they can find a way to get him playing time…..he’s 25 years old and and he’s pretty much ready for the big leagues…….

    If they can’t do anything else then Id consider just DHing Alex most of the time and kinda playing Alex, Adams, and Chavez (if he comes back ) in a 3B/DH rotation…..

    .it’s time to either find a spot for him or trade him because he’s just going to start losing value if he stays in the minors….. It’s also not fair to him to keep him down if he’s ready

  130. blake November 11th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    Montgomery just couldn’t locate his fastball but he did show that nasty slider…..he probably does need a 3rd pitch though because I don’t really think his fastball with play up the same way Drobs does…..it’s good but I can’t see him throwing 92 mph heaters by guys in the bigs the way Robertson does…..he’s hot a chance to be a solid reliever though for the Yanks

  131. austinmac November 11th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    Stoneburner,

    Momtgomery’s fastball was 90-92 yesterday with lateral but not noticeable downward movement. I said yesterday he needs a CU for lefties. He can kill RHBs with his slider which has a lot of downward break to go with movement away.

  132. blake November 11th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    I’ve got a bear prospect hug on Heathcott now officially…..he’s awesome

  133. austinmac November 11th, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    I agree Heathcott and Adams looked good. Adams looked like an MLB hitter with his swing and approach. I believe he would outperform Nix with a chance to be significantly better in the next couple years. I am not sure I see Heathcott with a bunch of homers, but he is no punch and Judy guy either. He would be more valuable as a CF.

  134. blake November 11th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    If Adams could only play SS….that’s the key difference between he and Nix…..

    I don’t see Heathcott hitting a ton of homers either but he can fly…..I think Gardner with 15 homer power is possible and that’s a really valuable guy…..

  135. The Return of Stoneburner November 11th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    I don’t see Heathcott hitting a ton of homers either but he can fly…..I think Gardner with 15 homer

    ****

    Some scouts disagree with your assessment of the power tool – - – -more like in the 20s – especially if he hits in YS – - – -

  136. jacksquat November 11th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    These guys are only 20, 21 years old, they can develop more power. Bernie didn’t hit 18 HR until he was 26.

  137. blake November 11th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    “Some scouts disagree with your assessment of the power tool – – – -more like in the 20s – especially if he hits in YS – – – -”

    Maybe… He’s probably strong enough… His swing plane from what I saw is pretty flat which I like and the first thing that jumped out at me was how long he keeps the bat in the zone and how deep he lets the ball travel. Was really impressed with his approach .. Didn’t seem jumpy at all…. I do think he could hit more homers as he matured and learned to turn in pitches .. …. Either way I don’t think they should trade this kid unless a legit cost controlled position player is coming back… I think he’s high ceiling and floor if he can stay healthy

  138. blake November 11th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    BTW….even if he only hit 15 homers annually and hit for average, stole bases, and played good defense in the OF he’s basically be a player that’s very rare in MLB…..Damon was that type guy when he was young and he’s just shy of being a HOFer…..

  139. Tar November 11th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    Blake

    You probably know but just in case, Heels on ESPNU.

  140. blake November 11th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    Yea ….taping it ;)

  141. Tar November 11th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Me too. Lot of leaves need my attention.

  142. The Return of Stoneburner November 11th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    blake November 11th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
    BTW….even if he only hit 15 homers annually and hit for average, stole bases, and played good defense in the OF he’s basically be a player that’s very rare in MLB…..Damon was that type guy when he was young and he’s just shy of being a HOFer…..

    ******

    Short rightfield porch will be helpful to Heathcott just as it was for Damon – actually – Heathcott compares more to his childhood idol:

    http://www.baseball-reference......ru01.shtml

    But Heathcott does not have the same eye at the plate yet – - – -but heck of an athlete player – - – -

  143. Jerkface November 11th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    YT that article is not really true. The savings are much much greater then it mentions. The 189 is all about revenue sharing rebates which add up to close to 300 million from 14-16. If the Yankees could be under next they would as they would receive a 25% rebate on their revenue sharing contribution. Realize that the Yankees are paying annually over 125 million you can see why they want to do this plus no luxury tax.

    This is hyperbolic. It is not close 300 million. They only receive rebates from the teams in the 15 biggest markets that receive revenue sharing. Of those teams, only 4 actually received revenue sharing (Athletics, Washington, Braves, & Blue Jays). After 2016 the revenue sharing rebate program will no longer exist. Those teams collect about 23% of the revenue sharing. The disqualification program only rebates 50% in 2014, 75% in 2015, and 100% in 2016, so they will not get back all of their amount. The Yankees paid 125 million between luxury tax AND revenue sharing in 2011, not just revenue sharing. They pay around 25-30 million in luxury tax per season so lets say they paid 27.5.

    They would get from the rebate program: 11.35mm in 2014, 17.03mm in 2015, & 22.72mm in 2016. That is 51.1mm total for all three years. Not even close to 300 million. And because the 189 limit is on a theoretical payroll & not true payments made out to the players/mlb, their real payroll could be above or below the number so you cannot immediately include savings from current payroll to 189. Even still, why would you? They have always been able to save money by simply paying less, but it is not the Yankee way.

    Because the limit is going up to 189, their luxury tax burden will actually decrease because 10 million less will be taxed per year. If they kept payroll the same they’d pay 46.5 million in luxury tax from 2014-2016. A savings of ~30 million.

    So best case is they would save 97.6 million over 3 years specifically from things they are forced to pay. Note: If any of the big 15 market teams drop off the revenue sharing payee list the Yankees rebates would decrease.

    The interesting thing is that they can go over the luxury tax threshold once during 2014-2016 and still receive 100% of their rebate. If they go over twice in a row it reduces to 75%.

  144. austinmac November 11th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    JF,

    Great information about the CBA as usual.

  145. dan l November 11th, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    Jerkface you are WRONG!

  146. Jerkface November 11th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Explain how receiving 50% of 23.3% of 27%, 75% of 23.3% of 27%, and 23.3% of 27% = 300 million. I’ll be waiting.

  147. Jerkface November 11th, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    The revenue sharing disqualification rebate system is explained in the CBA, which I believe I’ve probably read and you haven’t. It is impossible to get a 300 million revenue sharing rebate out of it. The Yankees do not get refunded ALL of their revenue sharing for being under the luxury tax, they simply get back the portions which are being refunded by top 15 market teams.

    You have to explain how you get to a 300 million dollar figure, because it looks like you’re just pulling it out of your ass.

  148. dan l November 11th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    Jerkface the Yankees get rebates on what they pay in revenue sharing! You do realize that they need to share 30% of over 400 million in revenue to the pool? Rebates are 25, 50, 75 and 100 percent over the next 4 years. So figure it out? All the team ever mentions is that the savings are substantial and what you propose just isn’t.

  149. Jerkface November 11th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    jajajajajajaja

    Ok so basically you just don’t understand the rebate program or didnt actually read the CBA. Ok its cool, I explained it above. The money that is refunded from the Yankees only comes from the top 15 market teams who receive revenue sharing. The Yankees will receive money back from those teams depending on if they are over the luxury tax threshold or not as I explained above. Here is the passages from the CBA including how much the Yankees are required to pay in revenue sharing (its not 30%):

    (This explains where the rebate money is coming from, notice that its not 100% of what the Yankees pay, but only the money from certain clubs for a specific year)
    As set forth in Attachment 26, the top fifteen Clubs by mar-ket rank shall be subject to a revenue sharing disqualification in the
    2013-16 Revenue Sharing Years. In 2013, market-disqualified Clubs
    will forfeit 25% of the net revenue sharing proceeds they otherwise
    would have been entitled to receive under the combination of the
    Base Plan and the Supplemental Plan. In 2014, market-disqualified
    Clubs will forfeit 50% of the net revenue sharing proceeds they oth-erwise would have been entitled to receive under the combination of
    the Base Plan and the Supplemental Plan. In 2015, market-disqualified
    Clubs will forfeit 75% of the net revenue sharing proceeds they other-wise would have been entitled to receive under the combination of the
    Base Plan and the Supplemental Plan. In 2016, market-disqualified
    Clubs will forfeit 100% of the net revenue sharing proceeds they
    otherwise would have been entitled to receive under the combination
    of the Base Plan and the Supplemental Plan.

    (this talks about how the Yankees wont get it if they are over the luxury tax)
    Notwith-standing subparagraph 15(a) above, a Net Revenue Sharing Payor
    Club may forfeit some or all of its Market Disqualification Refund
    in a Revenue Sharing Year if its Actual Club Payroll during the
    same Contract Year exceeds the Tax Threshold under Article
    XXIII (“CBT Payor Club”).

    (Tier 1 rebate = 100% of the above refunded money, even if you’re over the luxury tax that year!)
    (i) Tier 1: Except as provided by subparagraph (vii)(C)
    below, a Net Revenue Sharing Payor Club shall receive 100%
    of its Market Disqualification Refund if it is a CBT Payor Club
    during the Contract Year at issue but was not a CBT Payor
    Club in the immediately preceding Contract Year.

    REVENUE SHARING PERFORMANCE FACTOR
    Club 2012 2013
    New York Yankees 27.7% 27.1%
    Boston Red Sox 18.7% 18.6%
    Chicago Cubs 11.4% 13.0%
    New York Mets 11.0% 10.1%
    Philadelphia Phillies 7.5% 8.4%
    Los Angeles Dodgers 8.1% 8.0%
    San Francisco Giants 3.3% 4.7%
    Texas Rangers 1.4% 3.3%
    Los Angeles Angels 3.0% 3.2%
    Chicago White Sox 3.0% 2.9%
    Houston Astros 0.8% 0.7%
    Minnesota Twins 1.3% 0.0%
    Seattle Mariners 1.7% 0.0%
    St. Louis Cardinals 1.0% 0.0%
    Detroit Tigers –4.8% –2.6%
    Atlanta Braves –1.9% –3.2%
    Colorado Rockies –5.4% –4.1%
    Washington Nationals –2.9% –4.1%
    Baltimore Orioles –3.5% –4.3%
    Miami Marlins –7.8% –5.6%
    Arizona Diamondbacks –5.8% –5.9%
    Cincinnati Reds –5.8% –6.1%
    Milwaukee Brewers –7.4% –6.7%
    Cleveland Indians –4.9% –7.0%
    Oakland Athletics –7.6% –7.8%
    San Diego Padres –8.2% –8.1%
    Toronto Blue Jays –9.0% –8.3%
    Tampa Bay Rays –7.5% –8.4%
    Pittsburgh Pirates –9.3% –8.6%
    Kansas City Royals –8.2% –9.1%

    The Yankees will share 27.1% of revenue in 2013.

  150. Jerkface November 11th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    This is all from the CBA, hope you learned something!

  151. Jerkface November 11th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Now please stop spreading a falsity about the amount of money the Yankees will get back. Its only between 10-20 million per year depending on what happens to the top 15 market teams and how much they are actually paying.

  152. dan l November 11th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Baseball wants to reel in the Yankees ability to spend so in came the luxury tax and that did not work. Now the carrot is keeping the revenue sharing dollars paid in if you stay under the threshold. This is working because the money is just to great to ignore. Sadly for Baseball this is only helping the Yankees long term by making them more efficient.

  153. WT2 November 11th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    Hello everyone,
    First, congratulations to all those veterans serving our country and those who has served to protect our freedom and way of life. Thanks for service.

    I have been an avid fan of this blog for the last 5-6 years, but I never post. But believe me, this community has really helped me cope with the hard times all these years.

    I do have a question. I really think KC is a perfect match for us, they need pitching and we need average hitting. I don’t think we can get Alex Gordon, but what about Billy Butler?

    I have always been a fan of the kid, since his rookie year. But I thought we had Montero to DH and BUC, so I never thought there was a point of trading for him. Man I loved that kid… The trade never made sense to me, especially with the pitcher “injury matrix”, the lack for special hitters after the steroid era, and the next Yankee tag team duo with Cano (a start for a new core)

    Anyways, what type of package would do you guys think would require to trade for him? KC asked for Phil last year to start, before they finally inked him. Now he is off to his best season yet. He is Signed thru 2014, 4 yrs/$30M (11-14) & 15 team option.

    Thanks and keep up the great work with all the posts. You guys made my life better. I am sure other people that read the blog think the same.

  154. Jerkface November 11th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    And also note that the Yankees revenue may be ~400 million but less than 100% of that is actually eligible for revenue sharing. Additionally, their new stadium has given them massive discounts on revenue sharing!

  155. dan l November 11th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    Jerkface you don’t get it at all. All that number crunching you eo is just BS. The Yankees are not going to JEOPARDIZE their brand to save what you suggest. You can keep on writing this but it will never be correct. I am done with this.

  156. Jerkface November 11th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    The Yankees are not going to JEOPARDIZE their brand to save what you suggest.

    Clearly they are, since there is nothing in the CBA which says they will save 300 million or whatever BS number you suggest.

    I’ll keep writing it because it is correct & based on the CBA. You’re the one making stuff up.

  157. Jerkface November 11th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    You should probably read the CBA, and if you find the paragraph that says the Yankees will get all of their revenue sharing back then post it.

    P.S. There is no way in hell MLB would make a plan that allows the Yankees to recoup 100% of their revenue sharing, as they pay a quarter of total revenue sharing.

  158. dan l November 11th, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    WT2 the Cardinals are a better choice with players like Craig and Carpenter who are much cheaper then Gordon.

  159. dan l November 11th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    Jerkface that is exactly what MLB did to rain in the Yankees spending!

  160. Jerkface November 11th, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    No, Dan L, clearly they didn’t because the Yankees only receive up to 23% of their revenue sharing back. And only in 2016. It is much less prior to that. So no, they did not.

    Find the proof and I’ll admit I was wrong, but at this point you’re getting destroyed due to lack of evidence & the fact that I can post actual passages from the CBA which support my position.

  161. Jerkface November 11th, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    Here is the Biz of Baseball summary of the CBA:

    IV.. REVENUE SHARING

    a. The net transfer value of the Revenue Sharing Plan will be the same as the current plan. Net transfer amounts will continue to grow with revenue and changes in disparity.

    b. The fifteen Clubs in the largest markets will be disqualified from receiving revenue sharing by 2016. The revenue sharing funds that would have been distributed to the disqualified Clubs will be refunded to the payor Clubs, except that payor Clubs that have exceeded the CBT threshold two or more consecutive times will forfeit some or all of their refund.

    c. The Commissioner’s Discretionary Fund will increase from $10 to $15 million per year.

  162. Jerkface November 11th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    I feel like this is a Darth Vader – Luke moment for you.

    “The Yankees would never cut payroll just to save 10 million dollars a season! Thats not true… thats impossible!”

    “You know it in your heart to be true, I am HAL.”

    “Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo”

    Throw yourself down a vent shaft!

  163. dan l November 11th, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    There are a few articles out there that explain this the way I am but MLB does not really want this known. The Yankees themselves do not want this known. So good luck with your way but I know that you are wrong. I am sick of arguing this I am done. REMEMBER SUBSTANTIAL!

  164. Jerkface November 11th, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    There are no articles that explain it the way you are, feel free to link them if they exist, and if MLB did not want it to be known they would not publish their collective bargaining agreement, which is my source. Thats a primary source btw the best kind of source :)

    Carry on, Luke

  165. WT2 November 11th, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    Dan I,

    Thanks for the response. I understand your point. I think that combo would be way more expensive and will end up costing us more big league and farm guys.

    Thanks for the answer though.

  166. WT2 November 11th, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    New post ——->

  167. Pat M. November 11th, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    I see Jerkface still can’t play nice with others in the playground

  168. Jerkface November 11th, 2012 at 5:47 pm

    I have a low tolerance for blatantly incorrect cba information.

  169. ron November 11th, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    Don’t you lose draft picks for going over the 189 ??

  170. Jerkface November 11th, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    No you lose draft picks for going over the draft pool limit in the draft

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