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Monday night notes and links: Pineda making progress

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 12, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

In this line of work, winter is a strange time. Even when every conversation suggests nothing is about to break, you just never know. So when my sister said she was coming to town this weekend and wouldn’t be leaving until late Monday, there was a part of me worried that things might get busy at exactly the wrong time. Of course, today proved there was nothing to worry about. Things are awfully quiet right now, and even after what felt like a 37-hour drive to JFK, there’s just not much happening out there.

• Buster Olney reported today that Michael Pineda’s rehab is progressing, and he was seen by a doctor today.

The Yankees are reportedly interested in Mike Napoli. Seems like an odd target, though, considering the Yankees affection for defensive catchers and their need to keep the DH spot open for aging veterans.

• Speaking of odd targets, the Dodgers are reportedly out of the bidding for Torii Hunter. The Dodgers never seemed like a particularly good fit for Hunter, but they do seem willing to spend.

• A target that — unfortunately for the Yankees — might make more sense is this one: The Rangers are reportedly among the teams looking into signing Russell Martin.

• MLB Trade Rumors reports that former Yankees prospect Dan McCutchen has signed a minor league deal with the Orioles. So, of course, he’ll become a dominant setup man next season.

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371 Responses to “Monday night notes and links: Pineda making progress”

  1. kd November 12th, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    a healthy pineda would go a long way

  2. Shame Spencer November 12th, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    ……..we can’t afford Russell Martin.

    This is the world we live in now.

    Hal: Look at your life choices.

    Look.

  3. Nick in SF November 12th, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    “russellmartin55 ”Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.” Sun-Tzu”

    Does this mean au revoir, Russ?

  4. Shame Spencer November 12th, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    Lol, saw that too, Nick.. wasn’t sure if there was anything to read into either.

  5. MoRings42 November 12th, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    Napoli.. blah..

    A.J. Pierzynski would be a much better fit for a 2-3 years.

  6. Shame Spencer November 12th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    Hi comet! Yeah I wanted to check in.. figured the Yanks would be just the thing to put me to sleep ;)

  7. Nick in SF November 12th, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    hahahahha, Chiefs get hosed, 15 yard penalty celebrating a TD that got called back. Love it.

    So if Russ goes elsewhere, the Yanks are too cheap to keep him and if they bring him back, they’re paying too much for a player everyone hates.

    Is there any scenario in which make the right decision?

  8. Shame Spencer November 12th, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    Nick – With the reports I’ve seen lately speculating on Martin, I’m actually thinking they really may just get a back-up and platoon them with Romine (don’t really buy the Napoli reports). And I’m on board with that.

  9. blake November 12th, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    “So if Russ goes elsewhere, the Yanks are too cheap to keep him and if they bring him back, they’re paying too much for a player everyone hates.”

    Depends on what he leaves for…, if its like 2/10 then they are cheap….. If its 3/21 then I’ll be glad they let him go

  10. austinmac November 12th, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    The Yankees won’t afford Pierzynski either. The catcher they picked up a week or so ago was added for a reason. They will significantly downgrade at a number of positions for money reasons. Scrub in right, at catcher and replacing Kuroda equal a .500 or less team.

    Good planning and great execution.

  11. austinmac November 12th, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    Shame,

    Romine is far overrated. He appears to be fine on defense, but he just doesn’t hit. Martin will seem like Johnny Bench. That is my honest perception from assessing his career thus far. Martin was among their best players the second half.

  12. austinmac November 12th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    RAB is reporting the Yankees are willing to go two years with Soriano. I wonder how many leads they will have. Another great plan.

  13. Nick in SF November 12th, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    I was souring on Russ until he starting tweeting Sun Tzu. Clearly he means business.

  14. Shame Spencer November 12th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    Mac – I didn’t say I think Romine would be good lol… I personally have my doubts about his ability to stick there given his back issues last year. I know that he won’t hit 20 HRs but I really don’t know that he could do much worse than a .175 BA.

    Maybe Romine can be the defensive catcher we never had…

  15. Shame Spencer November 12th, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    Night all.. I’ll see ya in the AM where I belong. Now I’m afraid I’ll have nightmares about passed balls and Canadian bacon.

  16. Jerkface November 12th, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    Romine isn’t even the defensive catcher we never had in the minor leagues, which is worrying. He has a reputation as a defensive guy based on a skill ceiling but he hasn’t shown it. Same with his bat.

  17. Cashmoney November 13th, 2012 at 12:26 am

    Pat M. November 12th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
    Still say The Yanks need to move Granderson and Cano and start rebuilding for 2015……Kuroda and The Dodgers are exchanging numbers……Starting pitching is now a 20 something mix after Sabathia as the Derek Jeter era is looking to be over……
    ——-
    sooner the better imo. since the direction coming from FO seem to be one year or later which will invariably attract never was or has been. The Yankees will be better serve to get ready to reverse directions and flip past and present for future.

  18. jacksquat November 13th, 2012 at 12:47 am

    austinmac November 12th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
    Shame,

    Romine is far overrated. He appears to be fine on defense, but he just doesn’t hit. Martin will seem like Johnny Bench. That is my honest perception from assessing his career thus far. Martin was among their best players the second half.

    Martin did not have a good second half, he had a good September, that’s it.

    April -> August: .198/.301/.366

    Sep/Oct: .258/.347/.539

    And really it was 25 days, Sept 3 -> Sep 28: .299/.382/.612

    I don’t want to pay the guy because he had a fluke 25 days.

  19. Patrick November 13th, 2012 at 5:58 am

    Are the Yankees really that fond of defensive catchers? Posada was below average for much of his career but he was the starting catcher because he was a great hitter. I think Napoli is a great fit for this team

  20. Duh Innings II November 13th, 2012 at 6:41 am

    Dioner Navarro

    - Turns 29 in February
    - Switch-hitter
    - Former top Yankees prospect.
    - Hit .290 (20 for 69) with 3 doubles, 2 homeruns, a triple, and 12 RBI in 2012.
    - Career 30% success rate throwing out basestealers.
    - Made only $800K with Cincinatti in 2012 (‘would’ve made up to a mil total had he collected x amount of plate appearances.)
    - ‘Would probably take a year and a mil to return to the Yankees.
    - Total low-risk high-reward like Whiteside and a re-signed Stewart.

  21. Duh Innings II November 13th, 2012 at 6:54 am

    ‘Say the Yanks went with Whiteside and Stewart at catcher.

    Russell Martin posted 21 HR and 53 RBI, Chris Stewart 1 HR and 12 RBI for 22 HR and 65 RBI from the Yankees catcher at a cost of $7,982,500 / just under $8M (Martin’s $7.5M + Stewart’s $482,500) in 2012.

    ‘Figure Whiteside makes $650K ($50K raise), Stewart $550K ($67,500 raise) for $1.2M total, $6,782,500 less than the cost of 2012 Martin-Stewart.

    I would be thrilled with 10 HR and 40 RBI from Whiteside, 2 HR and 20 RBI from Stewart cuz while that’s 10 less HR from the catcher, that’s only 5 less RBI from the catcher, and who’s to say Cervelli and Romine couldn’t chip in with a homerun and 4 RBI each if they made brief appearances for 14 HR and 68 RBI total from the 2013 Yankees catcher? A loss of 8 HR but a gain of 3 RBI.

    I don’t care about homeruns from the catcher, I care about defense and Whiteside-Stewart provides defense at a bargain price. Bat them eighth and see what they can do.

  22. blake November 13th, 2012 at 7:05 am

    I don’t buy the Soriano rumor…..if they did sign him to a 2 year deal them it’ll totally fly in the face of this 189 mandate they keep talking about

  23. Mike Ri November 13th, 2012 at 7:08 am

    Are the Yankees really that fond of defensive catchers? Posada was below average for much of his career but he was the starting catcher because he was a great hitter. I think Napoli is a great fit for this team

    —–
    I agree.. Its not like Martin was Pudge Rodgriguez behind the plate either ….. I’d be Happy with Napoli

  24. blake November 13th, 2012 at 7:15 am

    Napoli doesn’t really ever catch 100 games though…. If you sign Napoli then you have to either believe Romine is ready to catch half the games or you’re gonna see a whole lot of Stewie or Whiteside behind the plate

  25. PacoDooley November 13th, 2012 at 7:23 am

    blake November 13th, 2012 at 7:05 am
    I don’t buy the Soriano rumor…..if they did sign him to a 2 year deal them it’ll totally fly in the face of this 189 mandate they keep talking about
    ————————-

    I agree 100% – perhaps a bluff to drive up his price or perhaps to manipulate who he signs with. The only place the team can be pretty sure that they can save some money in 2014 is in the bullpen. Montgomery is very likely to be out there and Robertson will still be relatively cheap. The $12-15m that Soriano will cost you in 2014 could be used to offset the annual cost of a contract for Cano (or Swisher or whoever). So if Cano were to get $25m a year, not having to pay a Soriano type contract could offset half of that against the 189;

  26. blake November 13th, 2012 at 7:23 am

    Napoli’s career high in games caught is 87 and that was in 2009…..it’s the only time he’s ever caught 80 games.

    I like his bat but he’s never been a full time guy behind the plate …..so you need another good catcher to go with him and also he’s gonna take DH ABs away from Arod

  27. blake November 13th, 2012 at 7:25 am

    Id take Soriano back for a year but they absolutely can’t afford his money on the 2014 bucks if they plan to get under the tax…. If they plan to do both then it’s a sign they have no idea what thy are dojng

  28. blake November 13th, 2012 at 7:26 am

    Bottom line….unless Napoli is pretty cheap I don’t think he’s a great fit unless they really believe Romine is ready and can catch a lot

  29. austinmac November 13th, 2012 at 7:28 am

    Gosh, I hope we sign Soriano. A team can never have too many closers. One can play right and the other can pick up the pitches after they stop rolling with no catcher. Cashman is a genius.

  30. blake November 13th, 2012 at 7:32 am

    Which lineup would you rather watch in 2013:

    Jeter SS
    Ichiro RF
    Cano 2B
    Tex 1B
    Arod 3B
    Granderson LF
    Martin C
    Ibanez DH
    Gardner CF

    Or

    Gardner CF
    Jeter SS
    Cano 2B
    Tex 1b
    Granderson LF
    Arod DH
    Austin RF
    Adams 3B
    Romine C

  31. Mike Ri November 13th, 2012 at 7:34 am

    Jeter SS
    Ichiro RF
    Cano 2B
    Tex 1B
    Arod 3B
    Granderson LF
    Martin C
    Ibanez DH
    Gardner CF

  32. blake November 13th, 2012 at 7:36 am

    There isn’t a ton of difference between Soriano and Jermey Affelt and he signed for 3/18

  33. austinmac November 13th, 2012 at 7:42 am

    I don’t like any of the lineups. Romine wouldn’t hit, and his catching is considered adequate but not superior. If he was any good, wouldn’t he be a top 20 Yankee prospect?

    They either need Martin or Napoli since the RF offense is going to take a big decline. They can’t give up offense at multiple positions. Or can and will they? Martin makes the most sense to me.

    I see an unnamed Yankee is quoted as saying they need to fix pitching first. Another organization described the current starters with Kuroda and Pettitte as “awful”. We can always go with Blake’s suggestion and empty the farm for Garza. :)

  34. Yankee Trader November 13th, 2012 at 7:47 am

    Good morning-

    List of remaining FA catchers:

    Updated 11-12-12

    Catchers
    Rod Barajas (37)
    Henry Blanco (41)
    Gerald Laird (33)
    Russell Martin (30)
    Mike Napoli (31)
    Dioner Navarro (29)
    Mike Nickeas (30)
    Miguel Olivo (34)
    Ronny Paulino (32)
    A.J. Pierzynski (36)
    Humberto Quintero (33)
    Brian Schneider (36)
    Kelly Shoppach (33)
    Chris Snyder (32)
    Yorvit Torrealba (34)
    Matt Treanor (37)

    Soriano.

    Boras miscalculted, just like he did with Madson. Teams will be reluctant to give him anywhere near 3 years, 13-15M/year. Yankees would be wise not to bring him back

  35. austinmac November 13th, 2012 at 7:47 am

    Without Kuroda and Pettitte

  36. Cashmoney November 13th, 2012 at 7:50 am

    cashman is a moron if he brings Sori back for 2 years… then again I already think he is. you guys remind me petulant kids who are given 20 dollars allowance to go shopping and keep on banging your head against the window for a PS3.

  37. Cashmoney November 13th, 2012 at 7:51 am

    the unsaid part is … the parents are being cheapskate, but eh, they have the power.

  38. blake November 13th, 2012 at 7:54 am

    “. We can always go with Blake’s suggestion and empty the farm for Garza. ”

    If Kuroda leaves then I really fear this

  39. MTU November 13th, 2012 at 7:54 am

    Blake-

    At this point I’d just as soon see the younger, cheaper lineup.

    I doubt we will. I expect both Adams and Romine will be given a shot to make the team out of ST.

    They’re not paying out like they are for Alex to be a FT DH.

  40. austinmac November 13th, 2012 at 7:57 am

    Cash, our “parents” are the richest around and they give us $20 and say live on it for a month?
    If they are going to be cheap, they have needed to be smart. Cheap and dumb is not the path I would choose.

  41. austinmac November 13th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    I am ok with giving Adams a shot for significant playing time. Then, try to add someone young for RF. I don’t know who that is, but starting Ichiro and Gardner is the OF is simply further weakening of the age depleted offense.

  42. MTU November 13th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    Blake-

    If the Dodgers are truly talking w Kuroda then I’d say the Yankees are in deep trouble on him.

    For one thing money appears to be no object to them.

    And for another I’d bet they are willing to give him a multi-year deal and I do not think the Yankees are.

    Better Ichiro and Martin on the phone to him now.

    We lose Kuroda and we have to have AP back.

    Haren and Garza would be possible fallbacks. They both have warts.

    ;)

  43. Yankee Trader November 13th, 2012 at 8:00 am

    Martin foolishly turned down 3/20M last year. Because of ONE hot month of September, he’s now the best overall option of remaining FA catchers, younger than Pierzynski and better defensively than Napoli.

    The Rangers will give him 3 years, IMVHO, and the Yankees won’t even be close in $$$$. They should have, at least, grabbed Ross for the 6.2M he signed with the RS.

  44. Cashmoney November 13th, 2012 at 8:02 am

    mac, there is something to say about dealing with reality here. I am not disputing your point.

  45. MTU November 13th, 2012 at 8:03 am

    Would the Yankees dare go w a Rotation of the following in 2013 ?

    CC
    AP
    Hughes
    Nova
    Phelps

    Warren/Pineda

  46. RadioKev November 13th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    I’d honestly be surprised if the Yankees let Martin go. The organization really seems to like him, and the market is very tight.

    That Soriano report is bizarre. Hopefully it bodes well for us resigning Kuroda.

  47. Cashmoney November 13th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    when you taking everything in, the Yanks are better off by start building for the future, right now
    !!

  48. Yankee Trader November 13th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    MTU

    Let’s say Kuroda wants one year only and then it’s back to Japan. He’s debating between his former team, the Dodgers, and the Yankees. He wants his best shot at getting to the WS in his last year in the states. The money is equal from both teams.

    Hmmm. Which team gives him the best shot at that goal?

    Now, we have to hope and pray that he’s not wearing Dodger blue next season.

  49. PacoDooley November 13th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    blake November 13th, 2012 at 7:36 am
    There isn’t a ton of difference between Soriano and Jermey Affelt and he signed for 3/18
    ————————————-

    Well, if Soriano cannot do a lot better than that contract then he was an absolute idiot to turn down the qualifying offer and assume he can do better than 2/5 after this season. He will get more than that. The Yankees would presumably take him back at 1/15 or at least 1/14. I predict he gets something like 3/30 or perhaps a tick more.

  50. austinmac November 13th, 2012 at 8:09 am

    Cash,

    I think I agree with you. The reality is that while operating under the cap with one year contract goals, they can’t win. I have always said spend more, but if the reality is they will not, trade the soon to be departing 2013 free agents, and build.

  51. PacoDooley November 13th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    If the Dodgers offer Kuroda a 1 year deal, the Yankees can easily match or do better. I am assuming that they are willing to pay a premium on 1 year deals this season and then have the flexibility to piece together a team that comes under the spending cap for 2014. So if it takes 1/$18m I could see them doing it…

  52. MTU November 13th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    Kev-

    I don’t think it does.

    FWIS the Yankees appear more concerned about their closers than they do about their SP’s.

    I do not think they want to go 2 yrs. for Hiroki. My belief is that they would rather just jack up the money on a 1 yr. deal.

    The Dodgers are defintely serious competition moneywise. I’m concerned.

    We really need Kuroda. He’s a perfect fit for our current needs.

  53. Cashmoney November 13th, 2012 at 8:12 am

    Would the Yankees dare go w a Rotation of the following in 2013 ?
    —-
    The Yankees can go with whomever they like if they decide to be flexible. If the idea is try to contend with patchworks from one year contracts, then you got to ready to flip assets if things go south. That kind of thinking does not exist in the FO. Nor is Cashman apt to deal with multi scenarios outcomes.. that is my opinion of course. He still has his head stuck within the rigid concept of big and hairy last time i checked.

  54. MTU November 13th, 2012 at 8:12 am

    YT-

    I think with the determination the Dodgers have shown that’s a bad bet as of now.

    Would love to see the Yankees prove me wrong.

    :(

  55. RadioKev November 13th, 2012 at 8:12 am

    MTU,

    Yeah, maybe. I mean, most of the Yankees off season is speculation. We don’t really know where they stand on Kuroda or Martin, and this new Soriano report is a little unintuitive.

    It seems we really know is they’ve been slow to contact free agents, and they’re not playing for Justin Upton.

  56. Yankee Trader November 13th, 2012 at 8:12 am

    New math on closers bad new$ for Yankees’ Soriano
    By JOEL SHERMAN

    Read this:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....CQ6E2pG4RL

  57. austinmac November 13th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    YT,

    If I am Kuroda or Pettitte, I would look very closely at what kind of team will be fielded. The team, at the end of the year, looked quite weak to my eyes. Since then, they have gotten worse with the players presumably leaving.

    Ninety-five wins aside, the Dodgers look far more ready to win today. Can it change? Of course, but not by adding old and cheap.

  58. MTU November 13th, 2012 at 8:16 am

    Who gives a rat about Soriano ?

    Mo will be here next year, and the year after we should be ready to use our own in-house solutions.

    Unless of course you think Mo will be ineffective ? That’s a lot of money commited for insurance again.

    Rather spend that money on an extra year of Kuroda, or taking a flyer on Haren.

    ;)

  59. MTU November 13th, 2012 at 8:18 am

    Mac-

    I’m thinking that AP wants to give it oine more go.

    Last chance to play w. Mo and Jete. The last hurrah.

    Hope he sees it that way. We definitely need him.

  60. PacoDooley November 13th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    Yankee Trader November 13th, 2012 at 8:12 am
    New math on closers bad new$ for Yankees’ Soriano
    By JOEL SHERMAN

    Read this:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports…..CQ6E2pG4RL
    —————————-

    Personally, I would have assumed that this was all a lesson that Soriano and Boras would have learned already. The Phillies looked like complete morons signing that deal with Papelbon. If they had waited they could have gotten him on a much smaller deal since the market for closers never developed. I keep thinking that baseball has learned lessons, but they continue to make the same stupid mistakes, so perhaps Boras will indeed get him a larger contract.

    I am of the school that believes that the value of closers is overrated. They simply do not pitch enough innings to make enough of a difference. They need to handle pressure I suppose. But I also cannot see a team wanting to pay Soriano more than $3/30m, and so he should have opted out and taken the Yankees offer.

  61. Cashmoney November 13th, 2012 at 8:20 am

    I trade both Mo and AP for prospects if things go south, better not give any NT! :)

  62. blake November 13th, 2012 at 8:26 am

    I think there might be a 3/30 deal out there for Soriano but it was definitely a gamble to go back out in the market.

    If Kuroda leaves I think you try to get Haren on a one year deal or ask Theo what he wants for Garza….If their asks the moon then you hang up but he is a pretty good pitcher and he’s only owed through next year…..he can’t ask that much for a rental coming off injury .

    Hopefully Hiro will just come back…..he seems like the sort that might be put off by the way te Dodgers tried to trade him etc a couple of years ago and then didn’t want to re-sign him last year…..I still think he comes back to ny….

  63. Benny Blanco November 13th, 2012 at 8:28 am

    I’m hoping the yankees sign my brother Henry Blanco. :)

  64. blake November 13th, 2012 at 8:28 am

    I doubt the yanks are serious about that 2 year offer….most likely they are just trying to drive up his market for whoever does sign him….I think they’d like him back for 1 year but no more…..Id muh prefer to try and get Soria on a one year deal and then just go with what they have…..they should have plenty of depth with a full strength Joba….Mo back….and possibly a Montgomery addition at some point

  65. MTU November 13th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    Blake-

    I’m not nearly as confident as you on Kuroda.

    The Yankees are trying to walk a tightrope between the past and the future.

    Trouble is I’m not sure they have a safety net in place.

    :(

  66. blake November 13th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Rival exec: #BlueJays’ Anthopoulos targeting starting pitching, “itching” to make a trade.

    Isn’t he always itching to make a trade…..what you give us for nova or phelps AA

  67. Yankee Trader November 13th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    There are a few options for a FA arm if Kuroda goes elsewhere. Look at this FA list. Can you come up with a pitchr willing to take one year? Jamie Moyer :(

    Updated 11/12/12:

    Scott Baker (31)
    Erik Bedard (34)
    Joe Blanton (32)
    Dallas Braden (29)
    Aaron Cook (34)
    Kevin Correia (32)
    Ryan Dempster (36)
    Scott Feldman (29)
    Jeff Francis (32)
    Freddy Garcia (37)
    Zack Greinke (28)
    Jeremy Guthrie (34)
    Rich Harden (31)
    Dan Haren (32)
    Roberto Hernandez (32)
    Edwin Jackson (29)
    Hiroki Kuroda (38) – declined qualifying offer
    Francisco Liriano (29)
    Kyle Lohse (34) – declined qualifying offer
    Derek Lowe (40)
    Shaun Marcum (31)
    Jason Marquis (34)
    Daisuke Matsuzaka (32)
    Brandon McCarthy (29)
    Kevin Millwood (38)
    Dustin Moseley (31)
    Jamie Moyer (50)
    Roy Oswalt (35)
    Carl Pavano (37)
    Andy Pettitte (41)
    Anibal Sanchez (29)
    Jonathan Sanchez (30)
    Joe Saunders (32)
    Tim Stauffer (31)
    Carlos Villanueva (29)
    Chien-Ming Wang (33)
    Kip Wells (36)
    Randy Wells (30)
    Randy Wolf (36)
    Chris Young (34)
    Carlos Zambrano (32)

  68. MTU November 13th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    You forgot Aardsma. He has closer experience too.

    ;)

  69. MTU November 13th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    Blake-

    Trouble is the lynchpins for the Yankees being able to offer a Pitcher in trade are Kuroda and AP.

    We haven’t inked either one yet.

  70. austinmac November 13th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    I think the Yankees have miscalculated how things would go this off season. They believed Kuroda would return, Hunter could be had on alone year deal. Martin could be had on the cheap and Pettitte would return. Some of these things are still possible, but I believe they were all critical to their plans.

    The bullpen, if Mo is healthy, is one of the few quality areas. Can they really be thinking of spending money on it with Soriano?

  71. blake November 13th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    MTU,

    If they lose Kuroda and Andy then it’s not going to be easy….they will have to spend their time trying to fix that and really can’t address the offense (if they were going to) until the pitching is settled …..

  72. Cashmoney November 13th, 2012 at 8:35 am

    i read somewhere that in addition to the dodgers spending money like they are the federal reserve, is the fact they have expanded their international scouting dept …something i think the Yankees should do and ought to do. I really believe MLB is moving towards the directions of NFL. While i don’t think all teams will be more or less be equitable in the distant future, the gap is clearly smaller. The additional revenue gives every team a fighting chance to field a competitive team if there is a good gm and scouting system in place. And there are a lot smart new gm in this game. The Yankees competitive edge will still come from their financial in the future. But there is little doubt in my mind this team can no longer maintain sustainable success
    without a great scouting dept and development team.

  73. blake November 13th, 2012 at 8:36 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal: #Phillies “wide open” in their search for a third baseman. Could look at multi-position types like Scutaro/Keppinger as well as Youk, etc.

    Arod is available

  74. brianlopez22 November 13th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    Cashmoney, AP and Mo would refuse. They have no-trade clauses. The only reason they would come back, IF they come back, is to win with the Yankees.

    If (and probably when) things go South this season, AP and Mo will simply do their retirement wave and finish the year gracefully.

    Someone earlier said you can’t be cheap and stupid with the expectation of winning.
    Hal is being both.
    Letting Cashman destroy your farm system over the past 14 years while overpaying for FAs is Cashman’s legacy. Stoopid (Yes, the spelling is intentional)
    Now changing the lock on the safe, you are asking Cashman to dip into the farm system he has ignored for 14 years. (Cheap)

    If I were Hank, I would fire cashman, hire the best talent evaluator in the game and keep magical 189mm payroll subtracting ARod’s contribution.
    That contract was all Hank, so ask Hank to pony up for the luxury tax.
    Someone needs to build the farm in order to achieve the number they want.
    Right now, we are at serious risk of losing our only true young offensive player (Cano) and signing bottom of the heap scrubs to keep the team afloat.
    If Hal keeps this ship going in this direction, I fear we will be the botom dwellers for a while.

  75. MTU November 13th, 2012 at 8:37 am

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    Exactly. Getting those guys was job 1 ( actually 1 and 2).

    If they miss on Kuroda they almost have to have AP and Andy will be getting a nice payday again.

  76. Yankee Trader November 13th, 2012 at 8:38 am

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  77. austinmac November 13th, 2012 at 8:39 am

    I feel better after reading Cashman’s explanation in the Sherman article that it is a “process”. Other teams act, but the Yankees process.

  78. MTU November 13th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    Remember when the Yankees were after Lee and we all thought they had a well-formulated BU plan ?

    They didn’t.

    Are they better prepared this time around ?

    Let’s hope so.

    ;)

  79. AAA November 13th, 2012 at 8:44 am

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    Does this tell the whole story? What we don’t know is whether international scouting was pillaged and plundered by McCourt and is merely being restored to acceptable levels.

  80. Cashmoney November 13th, 2012 at 8:44 am

    mac, you don’t miscalculate if you have contingency plans in place. Cashman is a one trick pony so far. it’s FA or scrap heap. for example, i would have given a Martin a deadline with price the Yankees willing to pay. if he says no, the follow up would be signing Ross and then sign any of those defensive specialist above., a Teorrealba or Snyder really doesn’t matter. the outcome would still be likely be cheaper and equal to martin and stewy combo. instead all i hear is prudence and not wanting overpaid jumbo from Cashman. Its because lack of freaking imagination!

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    She also doesn’t like the shopping in Philly or outside of Park Ave.

    Right ?

    :)

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    The back up plan to Kuroda is someone like . They will only go with a one year guy and that will have to be a pitcher trying to rebuild value. I would prefer that to Williams and Austin for Garza or some other moronic trade.

  83. MTU November 13th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    The Yankees are used to getting their way w FA’s.

    Trouble is that was when they were willing to spend big.

    :(

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    Does this tell the whole story? What we don’t know is whether international scouting was pillaged and plundered by McCourt and is merely being restored to acceptable levels.
    —–
    the story is this, imo, the Yankee should have the biggest scouting budget in all of MLB because i believe it’s vital for the future. they should have done years ago, so you don’t sign a guy like igawa for 50 mil. what the dodge did merely made me think of it again.

  85. MTU November 13th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    Mac-

    That option is much more limited but it may turn out that it’s the best we can do under the current restrictions.

    I wouldn’t give away all that much for 1 yr. of Garza either.

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    I think with andy ,nova,phelps,cc,an hughes should be enough pitching the hitting is what been horrible in the playoff

  87. MTU November 13th, 2012 at 8:50 am

    A Rotation like that is filled with all sorts of risk.

    Doesn’t seem to be the Yankee’s style.

    To accept that level of risk. Maybe it is now. Who knows.

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    If you read posts over the past year,you and others have made sound suggestions about getting ahead of the spending curve. They showed absolutely no signs they saw the need. They did nothing for the future such as international signings, trading for Rasmuss or anything else. Jones and Ibanez exemplify his rebuilding plan.

  89. Yankee Trader November 13th, 2012 at 8:53 am

    Answer thes questions?

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    a. Traded this offseason
    b. Traded after ST before Opening day
    c. Traded in July
    d. sign an extension
    e. Play full season wth Yankees and go elsewhere as free agents

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    a. Cashman finds interested team and he agrees to waive NT, therefore traded before opening day.
    b. ARod gets of too a fast start passing Mays and earns himself another 6M after his 14th homer early in May
    c. ARod gets off to a slow start and the booing in YS is louder than ever.
    d. ARod plays full season with the Yankees and retires.
    e. None of the above

    :)

  90. AAA November 13th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    the story is this, imo, the Yankee should have the biggest scouting budget in all of MLB because i believe it’s vital for the future. they should have done years ago, so you don’t sign a guy like igawa for 50 mil. what the dodge did merely made me think of it again.

    =====================================

    Fair enough. I don’t pretend to know where the Yankees scouting department stacks up with others in MLB, but given restrictions on money being paid draft picks and international free agents, I agree that there’s a premium on being right about the players a team throws those limited funds at and by extension a premium on scouting.

  91. MTU November 13th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    Cash-

    The Yankees used to be able to buy all the big, hariy monsters they wanted.

    They pretty much had their way due to their financial edge and reputation for excellence.

    They were behind the curve when it came to development and the Farm.

    They have been playing catchup. They still have a ways to go.

    It’s a new environment out there for now. They are trying to readjust.

    They were not the best in that particular area. Now they are being forced to try to be. There is plenty of work to still be done.

  92. austinmac November 13th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    I don’t know what the Yankee style is anymore, and I don’t think they do either. They are refusing to extend early like they should have tried to do last year with Cano, but then not having money to sign him when his contract expires. They have one foot in the free spending past and the other foot in the future budgetary world.

  93. blake November 13th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    I doubt the Yanks and Jays would trade with each other but Rasmus is still any interesting guy to me…..he never has put it all together but he’s very talented

  94. Yankee Trader November 13th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    MTU-

    Kuroda’s wife likes Rodeo Drive.

  95. austinmac November 13th, 2012 at 8:56 am

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  96. andrewmelillo November 13th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    Nova had one bad half hughes did fine in playoff cc is garbage inthe play off phelps did a great job no matter starting ir relieving the hitting is in question

  97. blake November 13th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    I think the Yankees will sign Cano to a bad contract following 2013 and let Granderson walk…..and I think Arod sticks around for most of the rest of his contract.

    These aren’t the best things for the Yankees future obviously but they have yet to show the creative ability or will to do anything else…..until they show something different those are the most likely outcomes IMO

  98. MTU November 13th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    Mac-

    Apparently some of us gave the Brass more credit than they may have deserved.

    The Farm is good and trending in the right direction now.

    Hiring Patterson indicates that they expect better results from the talent they think they have.

    The next wave of young prospects should hit the beach in about a yr. or 2.

    Until then it seems to be field a competitive team but not a great one.

    FWIS I’m not sure it’s even gonna be all that competitive for the next year or two.

    The AL East is a Beast and no team can afford to rest on their laurels.

    We’ll see.

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  101. austinmac November 13th, 2012 at 9:01 am

    Why wouldn’t they have been spending freely to develop the minors? Outspend in the international market. Draft the high signing risks and overpay them. Those were among the options they have had. They now no longer exist.

    This problem is years in the making. We saw it. It seems inconceivable, but they apparently did not.

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    MTU, what i am looking for is GM who can identify the current trends of baseball, a guy who can find undervalue assets, a person who has a keen eye in identifying talents or who can surround himself with those who can. and no less important someone who has original thoughts in the constant evolution of the game. not someone who regurgitates a singular philosophy that has been passed down thru the roid era. I don’t think cashman is the guy that can lead this organization into the brave new world.

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