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Cano becomes a U.S. citizen

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 13, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I’ve spent the past two hours at the annual BBWAA New York chapter meeting. We discussed it, and decided to keep covering baseball. It seems Robinson Cano made a much more significant decision.

Cano tweeted this morning that he’s become a United States citizen:

Very proud day for me, I just became a US citizen, God bless America!

So congratulations to Cano. Wonder where he’ll spend his second year of U.S. citizenship.

Photo from Cano’s twitter feed

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138 Responses to “Cano becomes a U.S. citizen”

  1. Warning Track Power November 13th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Shame
    I would prefer Martin catching compared to someone like Napoli
    Even if Martin does not hit, his defense is above average.

    Romine might be the better defensive catcher, but he’s young, needs more AB’s in the minors before he can become an everyday catcher.

    To me the choice is very clear.
    Re-Sign Martin and forget about Napoli

  2. Mike in Harrisburg November 13th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    Man with his beard grown out Cano looks like David Ortiz’s mini-me.

  3. G. Love November 13th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    blake,

    If Kuroda doesn’t sign, I would seriously look at a guy like Jeremy Guthrie. I think he’d be motivated by the stage he’d be on and he has a mean streak to him as we know on the mound. He was nails with KC after being liberated from the Rockies.

    If we’re talking low cost-ish free agent signings without trading, I’d also try to bring back Ichiro & see if we can get a guy like Ryan Ludwick to put in the OF mix.

    I also think if Keppinger is an upgrade over Nix, which I believe he is, he should be pursued.

    At catcher, I have no ideas. The Yankees stopped treating C as a real position in my eyes when Girardi took the helm. He’s thrilled with catch and throw guys who can’t hit and I think the team shares the sentiment.

    I don’t buy the Napoli talk at all.

    I’m fine with bringing Martin back provided that Girardi doesn’t block Gary Sanchez because of loyalty to Martin and Romine or whatever new C that has popped up here he identifies with. Cashman will overpay Martin before all is said & done and I’m pretty sure Martin coming back means Kuroda returns.

  4. G. Love November 13th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    Oh & congrats to Robbie. Having a few close friends who also became US citizens in the past few years gives me a greater appreciation of what this means to people who weren’t born here like most of us.

  5. Against All Odds November 13th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    Congrats Robbie :D

  6. DONNYBROOK November 13th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    The length of contract is the deal breaker with Martin. Will he be a Yankee in 2013 ??? NOPE

  7. Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    WTP – Word on the street is Martin is inching out of our price range!!

    Kev – The point is that we’re penny pinching on key positions now… so it’d be nice if we had cheap options to plug holes. Montero caught like 60 games this year in his first in the big leagues. People can keep saying he isn’t a catcher all they want… just like people say Martin is a good defensive catcher constantly – and not one statistic actually backs that up.

    We have holes, we have no money to spend on them (this year OR for the next 3, btw), and I want to cry about it.

    To me, spending any money on a guy like Martin, who is a .200ish hitter and a not-really-as-good-as-advertised defender is kinda dumb at this point. Just give someone like Romine a shot and have his excuse for sucking be that he’s a rookie. It’s better than Martin’s excuse for sucking..which is just that he isn’t very good.

  8. G. Love November 13th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    And yes, the fact that I’m talking about an off season built around possibly signing Jeremy Guthrie, Ryan Ludwick and Jeff Keppinger definitely is depressing.

  9. blake November 13th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    “If Kuroda doesn’t sign, I would seriously look at a guy like Jeremy Guthrie. I think he’d be motivated by the stage he’d be on and he has a mean streak to him as we know on the mound. He was nails with KC after being liberated from the Rockies.”

    I’m sad that we are to the point where we have to discuss Jeremy Guthrie

  10. Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    “At the time the Yankees needed starting pitching more, and they still do now! We don’t even have a 5 man rotation!”

    You know this just makes it worse, right Kev??

    Crying over here… legit crying..

  11. blake November 13th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    Congrats Robbie….

  12. Chip November 13th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    Chip November 13th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    blake November 13th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    If Kuroda doesn’t re-sign then they have a few options but none of them are perfect and most will be expensive either in dollars or players.

    1) Greinke- gonna get a huge contract 100+ million
    2) garza- coming off injury and theo always asks the moon
    3) Johnson- made of glass and will cost a good bit in players most likely
    4) Haren- this may be the best option if he will do a one year deal….still risky cause of his back if you’re relying on him to fill Kuroda’s role.
    5) Freddy Garcia- yay! Winner winner
    ——————–

    Looking at the FA list available it’s not a great bunch of options out there. My great fear is that they sign Carl Pavano to a 1 year deal. Remember, Brian tried to orchestrate a sign and trade with the Twins to get Pavano back last time he was a FA.

  13. jacksquat November 13th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    I’d rather give our young guys a chance (or more of a chance). Adams and Nunez combine to cover SS, 3B, 2B just fine. Keppinger is not really a SS anyway.

  14. jacksquat November 13th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    I’m hoping Texas takes Martin from Girardi’s bear hug and forces the Yankees to do something possibly interesting at C.

  15. Chip November 13th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    G. Love

    Keppinger’s coming off a good year where he got regular playing time for the first time in his career. I don’t think he’s going to sign on to be a bench player for any team. My guess is that he winds up as the every day 3b for the Phillies.

  16. RadioKev November 13th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    Shame,

    I’ve seen statistics that Martin is a good catcher. What are you referring to? I guess most recent in my memory is the pitch framing stats… http://riveraveblues.com/2012/.....ing-77384/

    Cervelli can catch 60 games. A warm body catching 60ish games isn’t the issue. It’s the warm body catching the other 100+ games that’s the issue. I don’t think a single team in the MLB would want Montero to be catching 100+ games next season.
    .

  17. Chip November 13th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    jacksquat November 13th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    I’m hoping Texas takes Martin from Girardi’s bear hug and forces the Yankees to do something possibly interesting at C.
    —————

    Like what? It’s arguable that Russ Martin is the best catcher available right now.

  18. RadioKev November 13th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    By the way, that David Ortiz beard is horrifying. Imagine what Cano might look like by the end of his next contract…

  19. chicken little November 13th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    It would be nice if Hal simply announced “Given our financial limitations imposed by me and my family, we will use the next couple of years to rebuild. Hopefully the fans continue to come to the stadium so that we, the Steinbrenners, can rip them off with concessions and parking. Assuming the fans continue to come, in three years I will discuss with my siblings whether we want to continue pocketing all the money we make or actually start investing it back into the team. By that point A-Rod and Texeira will almost be gone and there may be some pennies to spend.”

  20. Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    G. Love November 13th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    And yes, the fact that I’m talking about an off season built around possibly signing Jeremy Guthrie, Ryan Ludwick and Jeff Keppinger definitely is depressing.

    —————

    Don’t forget Russell the Muscle!!!!

  21. J. Alfred Prufrock November 13th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    At the time the Yankees needed starting pitching more, and they still do now! We don’t even have a 5 man rotation!
    ///

    They did?? How’d they pitch so well without Pineda?? They signed two FAs who solidified their staff and pitched lights out most of the year and in the playoffs, underscoring that they didn’t need to give up their best young hitting prospect for pitching!

    …and THEY COULDN’T HIT A LICK!!!

    so much for their, and your, premise :(

  22. DONNYBROOK November 13th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    We will NOT know IF the Yanks are gonna do anything “creative”, until After the Winter Meetings. Till then, the Yanks will do NOTHING but attempt to re-sign Kuroda and Pettitte. Get Used To It People. Gonna be same-old, same-old, for the near future, and probably Even after that.

  23. Jerkface November 13th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    http://itsaboutthemoney.net/ar.....e-yankees/

    I got a guest thing about the CBA/189 limit posted on Its About The Money, everyone read it.

  24. Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Kev – I didn’t say he would.. but you could at least put yourself in a position to entertain the idea of signing a solid back up and splitting time in half. The bottom line is we are not in a good position on either side of the ball right now and a lot of the blame falls on the moves made over the last few off-seasons. We can’t even negotiate trades from a point of leverage…

    My understanding was Martin has a high passed ball rate and a pretty bad percentage at catching runners stealing.

    I really don’t care how he frames the ball when he’s hitting .175. I still think Romine or Cervelli could achieve that much success in MLB….. much more cheaply. And since that, in reality, is the goal, why resign Martin? Why sink any money into that position when no one is a clear stand out?

  25. pat November 13th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Dodgers make McGwire hire as hitting coach official.

  26. Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    JF – Read it and printed it out for my dad, who is only just now learning to navigate the brave new world we call the internet..

  27. blake November 13th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    A guest post from reader Jerkface!

  28. bruceb November 13th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Says it all about the current state of MLB catchers that a guy with a .211 batting average this year is wanted by half a dozen teams who are all presumably willing to offer him a three-year deal worth $24 million-plus. Surely this is the one area where the Yanks could make a big saving without sacrificing too much production?

  29. pat November 13th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    Not only will Bay be paid the entire $21 million he is owed by the Mets, as has been reported, but the $15 million that is being deferred under the terms of the severance agreement is to be paid by the end of 2015, meaning the deferred monies will be paid only over an additional two years, CBSSports.com has learned.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/b.....-two-years

  30. Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    bruceb November 13th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Says it all about the current state of MLB catchers that a guy with a .211 batting average this year is wanted by half a dozen teams who are all presumably willing to offer him a three-year deal worth $24 million-plus. Surely this is the one area where the Yanks could make a big saving without sacrificing too much production?

    —————

    Exactly.

    We need better goals, guys.

    Here is my goal for this season: If we’re going to suck, I want a better excuse than injuries this year. Let’s have the excuse be that they are just kids and are on a learning curve.

  31. jacksquat November 13th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    I’m almost ready to say throw Sanchez back there and hope.

  32. blake November 13th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    JF,

    Very informative….,please forward that link to all baseba writers

  33. RadioKev November 13th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    JAP,

    Yeah, you’re right. The Yankees “couldn’t hit a lick” even though they finished with one of the best offenses in the AL.

    Montero was just so much better than our other guys. What with his superior OPS to Russell Martin…oh wait…OK, you know, I’m being unfair. His wOBA and RC+ was much better than Mart– OK…never mind. Uh… How about Montero’s WAR? Yeah…maybe…oh wait, -2 worse than Martin.

    So let’s not argue with results, because I actually honestly don’t believe that is the fair argument. I don’t think not having Montero made a difference in our playoff loss. Even Cano had one of the worst playoff performances ever.

    I just think Montero is a player without a spot on this Yankees line up, and Cashman used him as a trade chip. I don’t think the trade can be fairly evaluated yet.

    I do think the Yankees need starters, and an actual starting catcher, and not a DH.

  34. Chip November 13th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    bruceb November 13th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Says it all about the current state of MLB catchers that a guy with a .211 batting average this year is wanted by half a dozen teams who are all presumably willing to offer him a three-year deal worth $24 million-plus. Surely this is the one area where the Yanks could make a big saving without sacrificing too much production?
    ————-

    One would hope – of course the question is, if Russ Martin gets 3 years at $8m/year what will Napoli or even AJ want? Both are better offensive players though Martin is (again arguably) the better all around package given age and defensive ability.

  35. blake November 13th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    @RiverAveBlues: Scouting The Trade Market: David DeJesus http://t.co/vC05hjPT

    This one is for you Brett

  36. Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Results are secondary, cost is the first concern.

    I want the Yankees to pay a guy league minimum to suck instead of paying that guy millions to suck.

  37. RadioKev November 13th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
    Results are secondary, cost is the first concern.

    I want the Yankees to pay a guy league minimum to suck instead of paying that guy millions to suck.
    ——-

    Finally, someone gets it! :D

  38. Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    RadioKev November 13th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
    Results are secondary, cost is the first concern.

    I want the Yankees to pay a guy league minimum to suck instead of paying that guy millions to suck.
    ——-

    Finally, someone gets it! :D

    —————

    Lol, you’re the one saying we shouldn’t have kept a league minimum catcher because he is as bad as the one we already have!!

  39. blake November 13th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    What about bonafocio from the Marlins for Utility dude

  40. Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    If we spend $8 million a year on Russell Martin that is dumb. We might need money in 2014 for another starter….. smh.

  41. jacksquat November 13th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Who would hit better in 2013 in the majors, Gary Sanchez or Russ Martin? I think Sanchez would have a shot at hitting better.

  42. blake November 13th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    @Yankees: #Yankees INF prospect David Adams named @MLBazFallLeague Player of the Week.

    Adams can hit…. They need to find a role for him….he’s ready and he’s 25 years old…..bring him up or trade him

  43. Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    jacksquat November 13th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Who would hit better in 2013 in the majors, Gary Sanchez or Russ Martin? I think Sanchez would have a shot at hitting better.

    —————–

    Why not!

    Actually, we’d just end up screwing Sanchez, which is really the only reason they wouldn’t do this to him. Romine should have been ready, theoretically. Cervelli is always available lol, like that boy you date that doesn’t mind sitting on the back-burner until you’re desperate..

    I just don’t know what the point is of spending money on Martin other than to make the Yankees look like they’re busy.

  44. Against All Odds November 13th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    At the time the Yankees needed starting pitching more, and they still do now! We don’t even have a 5 man rotation!

    ———————

    If this was the early or middle 2000s I think that would be the case but in this era the pitching has dominated. I think 44 or 53 pitchers had era’s under 3 this season. Last yr it was around the same number. Obviously they can’t just throw anyone out there but this is no longer the day you need stack the rotation.

  45. Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    blake November 13th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    @Yankees: #Yankees INF prospect David Adams named @MLBazFallLeague Player of the Week.

    Adams can hit…. They need to find a role for him….he’s ready and he’s 25 years old…..bring him up or trade him

    ——————

    No more Chavez (who I like very much), no more Jones, no more old people (who I also like very much)!

  46. blake November 13th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    “No more Chavez (who I like very much), no more Jones, no more old people (who I also like very much)!”

    You have to be old to be a fit in NY

  47. blake November 13th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    @jonmorosi: #STLCards release Kyle McClellan.

    Dumpster dive!

  48. RadioKev November 13th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    Am I seriously the only one disturbed by the Big Papi beard?

  49. UnKnown November 13th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    Cubs just overpaid for Scott Baker, everyone seems to have lots of money to spend this offseason, but the Yanks. Not that I would’ve wanted Scott Baker, but still…

  50. jacksquat November 13th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    Beards appear to be in fashion. Personally, I hate a beard and wish I was baby faced and didn’t have to shave.

  51. Benny Blanco November 13th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    Yankees wait for their prospects to be at least 28 years of age before calling them up…lol

  52. DONNYBROOK November 13th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    I prefer a “situational hitting” catcher. This makes Jaso ideal for me And the Yankee budget. Martin, Napoli and all the other 1 dimensional sticks being mentioned here, do Not fit the Yankee budget, and are hit-or-miss at the plate, Mostly miss.

  53. blake November 13th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    @DKnobler: Rockies name Dante Bichette hitting coach

    Lets them them his son for CarGo!

  54. blake November 13th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    “I prefer a “situational hitting” catcher. This makes Jaso ideal for me And the Yankee budget.”

    I prefer Buster Posey but neither appears available

  55. DONNYBROOK November 13th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    At this point in time, the Cubs Have to over-pay, to get players to sign-up with them. Fact of life for Theo.

  56. Jerkface November 13th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    Who are we trading for Jaso?

  57. Jerkface November 13th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    I think Gary Sanchez could probably hit as well as Martin in overall OPS, if you think Martin will OPS around .660. But it would be tough. He struggled in A+. He’ll probably be repeating it with an eye towards a midseason jump to AA.

  58. jacksquat November 13th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    Jaso would work for me, although he is not a good thrower, but he is not a free agent.

  59. jacksquat November 13th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    .279/.330/.436 is not struggling too much. We know the power is there. Would be better than giving 3 years to Martin imo.

  60. Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    Maybe they’ll push Sanchez through to see if he can be part of a tandem option in 2014… With the way they’ve treated their other young players I wouldn’t hold my breath but you know what they say about desperate times and all that.

    They will have to operate outside their comfort zone at least a little bit.

  61. DONNYBROOK November 13th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    Jaso is Not Seattle’s primary catcher. Yanks have done some business with Seattle of late, so why not now?

  62. Cashmoney November 13th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    JF, if it was a year ago, you could have gotten him for George Kontos or a Mitchell type. But M clearly has decided to share the catching burden between him and Montero in 13 by letting go of Olivo. in short, if you want Jaso, you will have to overpay a lot to get him. Ms also has super catching prospect which i assume Big Z would want ease in under the stewardship of Jaso when the time comes.

    I don’t understand the fixation of Martin. but this goes way beyond Martin, it has the do the whole evaluation process.

  63. Jerkface November 13th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    .279/.330/.436 is not struggling too much. We know the power is there. Would be better than giving 3 years to Martin imo.

    It is struggling in the sense that Sanchez is a top offensive prospect, and he should be handling lower levels easily. He had to repeat low A, and will likely repeat high A. Montero at the same age hit .356 .406 .583 .989 in A+ and .317 .370 .539 .909 in AA.

  64. jacksquat November 13th, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    The Mariners declined to pick up the option of their primary catcher for 2012, Miguel Olivo.

    As of right now I think they have Jaso, Montero, and Zunino in the minors. They may just platoon Jaso and Montero in 2013, even though talk is they are having serious doubts about Montero as a catcher as well.

  65. Jerkface November 13th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    Jaso was the Mariner’s best hitter basically, going to be very expensive to trade for him. To the point it is not even worth it. Maybe the Yankees should have considered trading for him when he was available. He would have made a lot of sense as a backup to Martin given his success against RHP & left handedness.

    But they went with a top 90 catcher in Chris Stewart.

    The Mariners traded a known rapist for Jaso. We probably could have sent over Kontos.

  66. Cashmoney November 13th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    come on people let’s stop with sanchez… set your eyes on reality for a second.

  67. Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    But they went with a top 90 catcher in Chris Stewart.

    ————————–

    Top 60.

    Show some respect, JF.

  68. jacksquat November 13th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    I agree that Montero’s minor league numbers are a lot better.

  69. jacksquat November 13th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    Cashmoney November 13th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
    come on people let’s stop with sanchez… set your eyes on reality for a second.

    I don’t like reality!

  70. jacksquat November 13th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Seriously, I’d rather throw Sanchez into the fire and watch him struggle than pay 3/24 to watch Martin “hit”.

  71. Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    Reality – We have gaping holes and no money to fill them.

  72. Cashmoney November 13th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    JS I think the reality won’t be pretty, which is why I presume the Yankees would be better start rebuilding process in 13… well at least have the gear to reverse course.

  73. Jerkface November 13th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    Seriously, I’d rather throw Sanchez into the fire and watch him struggle than pay 3/24 to watch Martin “hit”.

    I think they should definitely throw Romine into the fire.

  74. Mike Ri November 13th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    Personally .. im more concerned about our Pitching than our lineup

  75. Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    Kids are gonna have to play at some point, and it will have to be sooner rather than later. We do not have the luxury of keeping them in development until they are in their mid-twenties.

    At the end of the day, this might be exactly what we need…. but I won’t believe they’ll do it until they do.

  76. Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS

    great to see #rockies hire dante bichette as hitting coach. awesome guy. (also did pretty good job teaching son dante jr.)

    —————–

    How good? Can he catch???

  77. Cashmoney November 13th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    JS, I rather see what romine has got … heh we have got to find out some of these kids before they hit 30. if you are unsure, go get a olivo, snyder, shoppach or a Torrealba for 1-3 mil to mentor the growth process or step in in case Romine falter.

    The point about martin is there is nothing extraordinary about any of his skillsets. though, I think he is horrific hitter who swung at one speed. what i don’t understand is who someone the front office repeatedly lauded of having understand the acumen of pitching why such retarded hitting approached. The conclusion, Martin is not terribly bright individual though the ability to quote Sun Tzu makes him at least literate.

  78. Cashmoney November 13th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    hitting approach… advance pardon for numerous typing errors…i am watching boardwalk empire.

  79. jacksquat November 13th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    I bet Sanchez would outhit Romine right now. Defensively far less mature for sure, but he has thrown out 30% in the minors. Romine has thrown out 24%.

  80. jacksquat November 13th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    They could possibly make a trade to get a good catcher, any ideas? Only thing I could think of is Carlos Santana of the Indians, but he would probably take a lot.

  81. luis November 13th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    Good afternoon guys,

    Cashmoney,

    Good posts all day… I do enjoy your imput, keep it up.

    About Martin… He is Munson reincarnate according to Cashman… That’s how good he is at evaluating talent.

    I would go with Romine/Olivo tandem. Would give Adams the shot at third and put Nunez at short, at least until Jeter returns and is able to play short.

  82. Jerkface November 13th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    Mauer is the only realistic trade option.

  83. Cashmoney November 13th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    good afternoon Luis.

  84. luis November 13th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    One thing is for sure, this management is too close to the trees to see the whole forrest. They need someone from the outside to help them out.

  85. Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    Trade anyone of our prospects away to get a catcher and I think JAP would go Timothy McVeigh up in this sh*t.

  86. blake November 13th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    “I think they should definitely throw Romine into the fire.”

    If the options are give Martin 3 years or play Romine then Id definitely rather just play Romine.

    This is why I kept saying they should consider making Martin the Q offer…..it would have guaranteed you kept his term to one year and would have also guaranteed that they had a decent catcher next year…..you’re over paying for 2013 yes…..but it’s over after that and off tr books for 2014

  87. blake November 13th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    Now the Yanks are in a situation where they either have to give Martin too many years for probably too much money…..or have real uncertainty behind the plate next year

  88. luis November 13th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    Shame,

    I’ll help JAP out. :mad: But on second thought, it might mean that at least they are recognizing that Martin is not the answer. I don’t think they are capable of that kind of introspective self critic.

  89. Against All Odds November 13th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    lol @ Shame

  90. jacksquat November 13th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Mauer is 23 mil a year, probably not a full time catcher anymore, and Minnesota’s hero, I don’t see that as realistic.

  91. Tar November 13th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Cash

    Its not cool to use the “R” word. It frowned upon by me and others on this blog (and elsewhere). I would appreciate if you used different terminology, thanks.

  92. kd November 13th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    odds are martin comes back, 2/20. just my guess

    not a lot of teams need a catcher and the yankee pitches love throwing to him.

    i do think if romine is healthy, he gets the posada break in plan. but that’s a big if with romine

  93. blake November 13th, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    “odds are martin comes back, 2/20. just my guess”

    See this was my point…..if they sign him to a deal like that then IMO it’s much worse than the 13.3 million QO would have been…..that puts 10 million on the very tight 2014 payroll for a player that you may not even need by then …..

  94. blake November 13th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    I’m thinking more and more they should have given Martin the over pay for 2013…..let Romine back him up….then turned the keys over to Romine in 2014 for the league minimum…..

  95. Nick in SF November 13th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    Are teams other than the Yankees really interested in Russell Martin?

    If so, why?

  96. Duh Innings II November 13th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    @#$% Kuroda.

    The Yanks should re-sign Soriano for two years and sign Soria for one.

    If they re-signed Rivera and Pettitte, the 2013 Yankees pitching staff to start the season could be:

    Rotation: Sabathia/Hughes/Pettitte/Nova/Phelps (4/5ths homegrown, 3/5ths under 30)

    Bullpen: Rivera/Robertson/Soriano/Soria/Aardsma/Logan/Rapada

    If the Yanks need a starting pitcher midseason, they trade for one.

    If Mo retires after 2013, the Yanks could have as many as FOUR options for closer: Robertson, Soriano, Soria, and Aardsma (realistically three as I couldn’t see Aardsma jump over the other three.)

  97. Jerkface November 13th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Mauer is 23 mil a year, probably not a full time catcher anymore, and Minnesota’s hero, I don’t see that as realistic.

    Not really Minnesota’s hero. The fans don’t like him because he is a cake eater. At any rate his contract means the Twins would probably get out from under him in a heart beat if they could. At the same time, his contract means the Yankees would not acquire him.

    Still he is the only catcher who is any good that the Yankees could trade for. The rest are all untouchable/not worth it.

  98. Jerkface November 13th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Are teams other than the Yankees really interested in Russell Martin?

    If so, why?

    He is the best full time catcher available in an incredibly thin market, to the point that demand will mean whoever signs him is likely overpaying big time.

  99. jacksquat November 13th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    Bullpen: Rivera/Robertson/Soriano/Soria/Aardsma/Logan/Rapada

    Where is Joba, in the doghouse?

    And that is way overkill in the bullpen, especially money.

  100. Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    Well, the M’s are interested in him in some sort of platoon/tandem fashion.

  101. DaSaint007 November 13th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    No one saw the Martin signing coming, and I’m sure none of us know the solution Cashman & Co. will find to the catching situation. It could be Martin 3/21 or 3/24, or it could be Cervelli, Romine, Stewart & Co. There are names out there that will fill the hole. Girardi will get the best defensive and/or game calling catcher he can.

  102. Jerkface November 13th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    No one saw the Martin signing coming

    Uh a lot of people were suggesting it? Me included.

  103. blake November 13th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    Yanks misjudged martins market when they chose not to offer him the QO

  104. Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    I think of all the rumors we have heard (relax Stevie Nicks, I’m not talking about you), the ones surrounding Soriano are the MOST confusing.

  105. blake November 13th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    Shame Spencer says:
    November 13, 2012 at 2:59 pm
    I think of all the rumors we have heard (relax Stevie Nicks, I’m not talking about you), the ones surrounding Soriano are the MOST confusing.

    I bet those came from one Scott Boras…..if the Yanks gave Soriano 2 years it would be totally opposite to what they are trying to do

  106. Nick in SF November 13th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    Martin is a full time catcher? I have read on LoHud that he is a BUC at best. Go figure.

  107. Jerkface November 13th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    I think of all the rumors we have heard (relax Stevie Nicks, I’m not talking about you), the ones surrounding Soriano are the MOST confusing.

    Its levine, but they really, really, really cannot re-sign Soriano if they want to compete @ 189.

  108. jacksquat November 13th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    If Levine is really interested in Soriano for two years, someone needs to put a muzzle on that man. Hopefully that would be voted down. This is one time that Hal saying “too expensive” would be good.

  109. Patrick November 13th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    Jerkface, I just read your article on itsaboutthemoney. Nice job, was a good read.

  110. blake November 13th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Nick in SF says:
    November 13, 2012 at 3:01 pm
    Martin is a full time catcher? I have read on LoHud that he is a BUC at best. Go figure.

    Well he plays like one sometimes but he’s the best option out there….Napoli has only caught 80 games once in his career (4 years ago) and AJ is old and probably will stay in Chicago anyway

  111. Jerkface November 13th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Martin is a full time catcher? I have read on LoHud that he is a BUC at best. Go figure.

    He probably should be, but that is getting into player as used vs player as should be used. He played 130 games. He is basically the only free agent catcher that played that many. There are enough teams who have nobody behind home plate that have the money to compete for his services.

  112. Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Levine needs to be working on other things besides our bullpen if he plans to be the sole representative of Team Greedy in the FO.

  113. luis November 13th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Nick,

    In a team like the Yankees, he should be a BUC at best.

  114. blake November 13th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    JF,

    You seriously need to forward that to all these writers who have no idea what they are taking about

  115. blake November 13th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    There aren’t 30 catchers in baseball good enough to be starting big league catchers right now…..you could probably say the same for SS

  116. jacksquat November 13th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
    Levine needs to be working on other things besides our bullpen if he plans to be the sole representative of Team Greedy in the FO.

    Really, no one is going to the park to watch Soriano pitch the 8th inning, Randy, except maybe Trisha.

  117. Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    Chad – Read JF’s article, rewrite it and pass it off as your own work.. you’ll be commended as one of the few journalists ahead of the curve when it comes to the Yankee payroll.

  118. Jerkface November 13th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    There aren’t 30 catchers in baseball good enough to be starting big league catchers right now…..you could probably say the same for SS

    Yea and the Yankees should not be one of the teams who has a guy that isn’t good enough.

  119. Jerkface November 13th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    Chad – Read JF’s article, rewrite it and pass it off as your own work.. you’ll be commended as one of the few journalists ahead of the curve when it comes to the Yankee payroll.

    :x I already submitted it to Chad for the pinch hitter series, so don’t give him any ideas.

  120. blake November 13th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    “Yea and the Yankees should not be one of the teams who has a guy that isn’t good enough.”

    No but unfortunately they might be

  121. Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    I do sometimes wonder if the writers just don’t actually understand the Yankees position regarding money, if they are willfully blind to it, or if they just don’t think it’d make a very good story… but it took over a year for one of them to even mention the numbers bandied about weren’t accurate.

  122. Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    Next live chat, I’m coming for you Chad… we’ll get some answers lol!

  123. blake November 13th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    I think eventually this payroll stuff will catch in with the NY writers and it’ll become a bigger story…..I think up until now many just have refused to believe that this budget was real…..when they see that it is and that the Yanks really aren’t going to spend then I think you’ll see more coverage of it…..especially if te team starts to struggle

  124. Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    LOL!! JF, when is the pinch hitters series? Usually in a couple of months, right?

    Hmmm… any chance Chad posts a love letter from Chad’s Girls this year?

  125. blake November 13th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    Either way with the catching situation I just think the Yanks have to avoid getting into a multi year deal with Martin…..they don’t have the room to be paying him 7-10 million dollars starting in. 2014 for his production…..they just dont

  126. Jerkface November 13th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    LOL!! JF, when is the pinch hitters series? Usually in a couple of months, right?

    January, I asked him to post it early but no go so I sent it to RAB and IATMS

  127. Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    when they see that it is and that the Yanks really aren’t going to spend then I think you’ll see more coverage of it…..especially if te team starts to struggle

    —————-

    I’m salivating… I really can’t wait.

    Do you guys think Chad searches his name to see when he’s brought up in the comments section lol?

  128. Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    JF – Ah, so he’ll settle for sloppy seconds.

    That’s actually good to know about Chad given our up and down relationship…

  129. Nick in SF November 13th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    It seems that there is a wide spectrum of opinion on Russell Martin. My own opinion is that he just needs to get in better shape and he’ll tear it up.

    Chad should have made Jerkface a Qualifying Offer and kept his article in house. Our loss.

  130. Shame Spencer November 13th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    Really Nick? I dunno, Russell the Muscle has been trending downward for years… do I think he could do better than he did last year? Sure, why not! But I dunno that I’d place any bets on it :D

    He seemed like he was in fine shape. He certainly played enough.

  131. jacksquat November 13th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    Maybe see if Cincy would trade Ryan Hanigan?

    http://www.baseball-reference......ry01.shtml

    No power, but career .275 avg, .370 obp, very low k rate, more walks than k’s career. Started 98 games last year, threw out 48%! Low passed balls and errors. Salary is 2.05 mil in 2013, and arb eligible in 2014. Just turned 32, not too old. Cincy may be ready to give Mesoraco more playing time.

    Shouldn’t take too much in trade, much better than overpaying Martin.

  132. Tar November 13th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    JF

    I just read the post in iatm. Good job. I found myself spouting out your numbers to someone yesterday. I sounded kind of smart. But really I felt like I was cheating because I didn’t give you props. :D

    Have a good day everyone

  133. jacksquat November 13th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    Martin actually said after this season that he may have become too muscular before 2012 started. Remember some of us were saying he should put down the weights and pick up a bat when he kept tweeting his workout stuff? Maybe we were right…

  134. Jerkface November 13th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    Tar,

    Props may be mailed in check form to

  135. Nick in SF November 13th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    If Russell Martin/BHOML jokes are too obscure now, I might not know LoHud anymore. :cry:

  136. Nick in SF November 13th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    Make that BSOML. Slightly less obscure. :oops:

  137. pat November 13th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    TBTimes_Rays
    #Rays announce that “most” ticket prices for 2013 going down or staying same.

    TBTimes_Rays
    #Rays keep game times at 7:10 during week, 1:40 on Sunday, Saturday TBD. Also extend limited free parking, allowing fans to bring in food

  138. Marvella Gaeta August 22nd, 2014 at 10:06 pm

    Just wondering, before I consider subscribing… is that this an actual, individually composed letter to each individual subscriber, or does every writer compose a single letter each and every week and send the same composition to all of your subscribers they’re assigned to write to?

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